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Title: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on December 01, 2018, 11:30:28 AM
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: SF1900 on December 01, 2018, 11:53:28 AM
Getbiggers make $117,000K in 2 days.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: XFACTOR on December 01, 2018, 11:56:00 AM
$117k sounds about right..... for my vacations budget for the year.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Mr Anabolic on December 01, 2018, 11:58:13 AM
The housing market there will implode over the next few years.  As the stock market continues to fall it will make things even worse.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: SOMEPARTS on December 01, 2018, 12:03:37 PM
There's a reason tech companies are moving to Reno and even Boise right now. Commiefornia is a free market albatross.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Rascal full on December 01, 2018, 12:41:09 PM
$117k sounds about right..... for my vacations budget for the year.

 ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: OneMoreRep on December 01, 2018, 12:47:15 PM
I've been telling friends for a long time that in places like New York City and major cities of California, for a married couple with no kids, a working yearly household income should be around $250k just to live with respectable standards. If you want to live well, you need to bring in around $500k/year and in order to live incredibly comfortable, aim for about $750k/year.

Remember, this is just assuming it's 2 people living together. Add kids to it and it changes drastically.

"1"
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Parker on December 01, 2018, 01:46:12 PM
I've been telling friends for a long time that in places like New York City and major cities of California, for a married couple with no kids, a working yearly household income should be around $250k just to live with respectable standards. If you want to live well, you need to bring in around $500k/year and in order to live incredibly comfortable, aim for about $750k/year.

Remember, this is just assuming it's 2 people living together. Add kids to it and it changes drastically.

"1"
Yet, making that much and living in a city with bad roads, a horrible subway, and high taxes? What’s the point or benefits of living in said place?
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: deadz on December 01, 2018, 02:08:17 PM
117k is garbage anywhere.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: deadz on December 01, 2018, 02:26:12 PM
lol, no its not. You're telling me 117K a year for a single person is garbage? haha lol.

Please refer to my classification scheme regarding the way getbiggers classify income.

SF1900's classification scheme to describe socioeconomic status based on income per year. Data was collected from Getbig.com

Source:

1900, SF (2015). An alternative classification scheme to describe socioeconomic status. Journal of Getbig.com, 14, 150-190. doi: schmoe

>$100,000 - homeless

$101,000 - $450,000 = poor

$451,000 - $750,000 = low middle class

$751,000 - $1,000,000 - middle class

$1,100,000 - $5,000,000 = upper middle class

$5,100,000 - $50,000,000 = rich

$51,000,000+ = super wealthy


It will get you a one bedroom apt with a 92 Nissan parked outside. Not the life I want to live.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: SF1900 on December 01, 2018, 02:36:48 PM
It will get you a one bedroom apt with a 92 Nissan parked outside. Not the life I want to live.

No, it won't.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: pellius on December 01, 2018, 03:59:41 PM
Hawaii is the most expensive State in the country. With my girlfriend and me, and taking care of two kids, our combined income is considerably less than $200,000/yr but we live pretty comfortably. It all depends on your lifestyle.

The average household (not just individual) income on Oahu is just under $69,000/yr and the average house is over $750,000. We have our problems like most States but the majority live nice comfortable lives without having to be deep in the six figures.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: IroNat on December 01, 2018, 04:48:44 PM
I've been telling friends for a long time that in places like New York City and major cities of California, for a married couple with no kids, a working yearly household income should be around $250k just to live with respectable standards. If you want to live well, you need to bring in around $500k/year and in order to live incredibly comfortable, aim for about $750k/year.

Remember, this is just assuming it's 2 people living together. Add kids to it and it changes drastically.

"1"

I think you are exaggerating a bit.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Irongrip400 on December 01, 2018, 05:14:48 PM
Getbiggers make $117,000K in 2 days.


This
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: OneMoreRep on December 01, 2018, 05:17:28 PM
I think you are exaggerating a bit.

Not at all. Then again, respectable standards are subjective to the beholder.

"1"
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: SF1900 on December 01, 2018, 05:56:25 PM

This

Caliber Fitness Solutions, which is owned by Vince Goodrum, CSN, MFT, HPP, CEO, made 150K in 2 1/2 days.

That's A LOT of supplements!!
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: mazrim on December 01, 2018, 07:04:26 PM
It will get you a one bedroom apt with a 92 Nissan parked outside.
.......if you have horrible spending habits.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on December 01, 2018, 07:04:41 PM
The housing market there will implode over the next few years.  As the stock market continues to fall it will make things even worse.

You obviously don’t know anything about the Bay Area.  Homes have been overpriced there for 20 years.  There is no bubble in real estate. Just a lot of people and not enough space to build new homes.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: chaos on December 01, 2018, 08:47:53 PM
Yet, making that much and living in a city with bad roads, a horrible subway, and high taxes? What’s the point or benefits of living in said place?
City? This whole state is like that.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: razzle on December 01, 2018, 08:59:54 PM
Look north of the 49th and you will get sticker shock. San Fran is Kindergarten compared to Oh Canada!
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: POB on December 01, 2018, 09:04:22 PM
Yet, making that much and living in a city with bad roads, a horrible subway, and high taxes? What’s the point or benefits of living in said place?

80 in the day 60 at night and sunny 345 days a year 20 days of rain in dec/Jan if that, no bugs or humidity ever
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: efanhowz on December 02, 2018, 12:03:38 AM
You obviously don’t know anything about the Bay Area.  Homes have been overpriced there for 20 years.  There is no bubble in real estate. Just a lot of people and not enough space to build new homes.
Yep
Don’t think 2008 had much affect on property value in the bay
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: MAXX on December 02, 2018, 12:58:10 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

Quote
The U.S. Census Bureau reported in September 2017 that real median household income was $59,039 in 2016, exceeding any previous year.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: pellius on December 02, 2018, 01:44:38 AM
Look north of the 49th and you will get sticker shock. San Fran is Kindergarten compared to Oh Canada!

The Left here talk like Canada is the promise land.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: G_Thang on December 02, 2018, 02:48:11 AM
117k is garbage anywhere.

Not Houston and I'm not talking next to a project either. 
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Powerlift66 on December 02, 2018, 04:18:31 AM
No, it won't.

LOL on the Avvy.  8)
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 02, 2018, 04:49:50 AM
It's amazing how much open land there is in America where you can live dirt cheap and yet people choose to toil their lives away working 40-80 hours a week so they can live in a "cool" place.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: POB on December 02, 2018, 05:51:26 AM
Yep
Don’t think 2008 had much affect on property value in the bay
Your wrong it all dropped to 2000 2001 prices and stayed there for 5 years now this bubbles way bigger than the last ;D
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on December 02, 2018, 06:50:32 AM
I've been telling friends for a long time that in places like New York City and major cities of California, for a married couple with no kids, a working yearly household income should be around $250k just to live with respectable standards. If you want to live well, you need to bring in around $500k/year and in order to live incredibly comfortable, aim for about $750k/year.

Remember, this is just assuming it's 2 people living together. Add kids to it and it changes drastically.

"1"


If I was making 500k a year, I still wouldn't live in New York.   New York sucks dick....stepping over piss and vomit everyday, no fucking grocery stores, high rent, high electricity, plenty of rats, piece of shit subway system, no sunlight, foul odors, etc.   Worse of all is the fucking pizza.   Everyone brags about the pizza but when I finally got some, it tasted like shit....had no toppings on it and you had to fold it.   The square pizzas I got from school were better than that shit.  

Every New Yorker I've ran into basically keep stop talking about how great it is....as if its the center of the fucking universe.   Sorry but I like clean air, a reasonable mortgage, open sky, a yard and garden, and pizza that doesn't taste like cat piss.  
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on December 02, 2018, 07:48:42 AM
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: The_Punisher on December 02, 2018, 08:06:53 AM
there are many train operators in new york city making 117k or more, well, that's with 10yrs of experience and life ain't all that here either.....as of October 1, 2018, the average salary of a NYPD cop stands at $73,831 per year.....in San Francisco, the average salary for cops stands at $83,018 per year and it may go up to 115k after 8yrs of service with overtime and all......
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: OneMoreRep on December 02, 2018, 08:35:02 AM

If I was making 500k a year, I still wouldn't live in New York.   New York sucks dick....stepping over piss and vomit everyday, no fucking grocery stores, high rent, high electricity, plenty of rats, piece of shit subway system, no sunlight, foul odors, etc.   Worse of all is the fucking pizza.   Everyone brags about the pizza but when I finally got some, it tasted like shit....had no toppings on it and you had to fold it.   The square pizzas I got from school were better than that shit.  

Every New Yorker I've ran into basically keep stop talking about how great it is....as if its the center of the fucking universe.   Sorry but I like clean air, a reasonable mortgage, open sky, a yard and garden, and pizza that doesn't taste like cat piss.  

I can concede that New York is not what it used to be. Every day, when walking through midtown Manhattan, I am reminded of how overpopulated the city has become. Back in the 80's & 90's, it was just right. Of course it was heavily populated then, but you did have some room to make it through the streets. Today, it seems as if it's difficult to just walk down a couple of city blocks without having to bump or scrape your sides against another human being. It is very polluted, both the streets and the air. You can't make it past a few city blocks without seeing a street vendor empty out a mystery can filled with dirty water littered with all sorts of food & drink debris. You would be amazed at how much animal & human fecal matter you would find if only you walked while looking down towards the ground. The subways, don't get me started. They're delayed at all times, filled with the homeless and so overcrowded that you'd be lucky to catch a train to whatever destination you're going to. And forget about trying to find a star at night. It's been years since I've managed to count more than 5-10 stars in the sky on any given night while living in New York City. Not to mention that the cost of living is way too high for the average person.

All the bad things aside, NYC still beats everyone hands down when it comes to food variety. No other city I've visited has as many options. New York is open 24 hours and no matter what the time, you can find an endless number of people parading through the street. It is incredibly diverse, I meet people from all walks of life every day just by walking through Washington Square Park in the Village by NYU. The city is electric in that it has its own character/personality. Yes, most New York'ers are assholes, but somehow they make it work on a daily basis. Granted with the overpopulation comes a generous amount of crime and we are the epicenter for terrorist attacks, but I'd be damned if we ever ran in the face of adversity. In order to love and appreciate it, you truly would have had to grow up in NYC. That's not to say that sometimes I don't have a need to escape from the NYC bubble. Heck, I have a home down in Fort Lauderdale for that very purpose. Sometimes, it's important to run away to a place that's closer to the ocean, with warm/tropical weather and a slower pace of living with a fraction of the population. I call those getaways a time to recharge and unclench the old jaw.

But hey, that's just one old Jew's opinion of NYC. I have so many friends from all walks of life here that it would be hard to start over elsewhere.

Not to mention the kind of characters that spawn from NYC:

Jimmy the Greek - my building's superintendent who is slow on getting things fixed, but the fastest of all the building's employees to extend the hand once the holidays arrive in search of a plump white envelope.

Ramon - The man that tends to the flowers for sale, that sit in front of the nearest grocery store. Ramon doesn't say much and has a habit of always going into the grocery store at the site of law enforcement, but he does have the warmest smile and is the first to help the elderly with their groceries.

The homeless at Washington Square Park that are master chess players - Ever want the best stories NYC has to offer? Sit in for a game with these masters.

The hookers/prostitutes that roam the streets of Hell's Kitchen (9th avenue towards Hudson River) past 2am - Ever want to be taken on a voyage to a place that you doubt even existed? Offer one of these ladies of the night $40 to sit with you at a local 24-hr diner for some coffee and ask them to tell you why they've chosen this lifestyle. Sit back and hold on to your junk, it's fucking amazing the things you'll hear, plus if you're not keen on listening to a prostitute ramble, they'll probably suck your dick for an extra $10.

The many IFBB pros that live in NYC - People forget that while we are only aware/exposed to 10-20 of the most popular IFBB pros, there are hundreds of them walking around with IFBB pro cards. Many of them work a regular job. Others work as strippers and male hookers. The vast majority of them can be found in select gyms and if you're like me, you enjoy working out with these guys. Most are great at showing you new exercise routines and at small talk. That said, it doesn't come for free. They're struggling, so a few extra dollars will go a long way.

There are many more characters that I can talk about, but you get the point. Every day, I interact with so many colorful people from all walks of life and from all parts of the world. Whenever I visit other states, I don't have the pleasure of doing this.

"1"
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: XFACTOR on December 02, 2018, 08:53:56 AM

If I was making 500k a year, I still wouldn't live in New York.   New York sucks dick....stepping over piss and vomit everyday, no fucking grocery stores, high rent, high electricity, plenty of rats, piece of shit subway system, no sunlight, foul odors, etc.   Worse of all is the fucking pizza.   Everyone brags about the pizza but when I finally got some, it tasted like shit....had no toppings on it and you had to fold it.   The square pizzas I got from school were better than that shit.  

Every New Yorker I've ran into basically keep stop talking about how great it is....as if its the center of the fucking universe.   Sorry but I like clean air, a reasonable mortgage, open sky, a yard and garden, and pizza that doesn't taste like cat piss.  

The nice part is you'll never see a fraction of $500k a year so you do not need to worry about living in NYC. 
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: oldtimer1 on December 02, 2018, 08:55:53 AM
One thing is indisputable one more rep. NYC is the most exciting city on earth. The food alone has no comparison. I feel sorry for people in other states that are clueless about food. Ever try to get a pizza or a simple thing like a bagel in a state like Kansas? Never mind something like fine Italian or Portuguese. People think chain fast food pizzerias and Olive Garden is great food. Any ethic food you want can be found by the genuine people.  The bars, clubs and venues for entertainment has no peer.  

The city gets better or worse according to who's mayor. Do you remember how hellish it was when guys like Dinkens was mayor? Homeless people every where. Times square was a sewer. Mayor Giuliani came along and told the cops to enforce every law. The place cleaned up quick. Now with this current clown DeBlasio everything from Dinkins is coming back. He cites a reduction in crime but it's partially creative stat keeping and nothing to do with any policy by him. He cited a reduction in assaults in the schools and when the NY Post looked into it they left off the stats misdemeanor assaults like punches. Resulted in instant reduction.

I live in Jersey but I lived my first 27 years growing up on the other side of the Lincoln tunnel so I spent many a day in Manhattan.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: XFACTOR on December 02, 2018, 09:08:10 AM
I can concede that New York is not what it used to be. Every day, when walking through midtown Manhattan, I am reminded of how overpopulated the city has become. Back in the 80's & 90's, it was just right. Of course it was heavily populated then, but you did have some room to make it through the streets. Today, it seems as if it's difficult to just walk down a couple of city blocks without having to bump or scrape your sides against another human being. It is very polluted, both the streets and the air. You can't make it past a few city blocks without seeing a street vendor empty out a mystery can filled with dirty water littered with all sorts of food & drink debris. You would be amazed at how much animal & human fecal matter you would find if only you walked while looking down towards the ground. The subways, don't get me started. They're delayed at all times, filled with the homeless and so overcrowded that you'd be lucky to catch a train to whatever destination you're going to. And forget about trying to find a star at night. It's been years since I've managed to count more than 5-10 stars in the sky on any given night while living in New York City. Not to mention that the cost of living is way too high for the average person.

All the bad things aside, NYC still beats everyone hands down when it comes to food variety. No other city I've visited has as many options. New York is open 24 hours and no matter what the time, you can find an endless number of people parading through the street. It is incredibly diverse, I meet people from all walks of life every day just by walking through Washington Square Park in the Village by NYU. The city is electric in that it has its own character/personality. Yes, most New York'ers are assholes, but somehow they make it work on a daily basis. Granted with the overpopulation comes a generous amount of crime and we are the epicenter for terrorist attacks, but I'd be damned if we ever ran in the face of adversity. In order to love and appreciate it, you truly would have had to grow up in NYC. That's not to say that sometimes I don't have a need to escape from the NYC bubble. Heck, I have a home down in Fort Lauderdale for that very purpose. Sometimes, it's important to run away to a place that's closer to the ocean, with warm/tropical weather and a slower pace of living with a fraction of the population. I call those getaways a time to recharge and unclench the old jaw.

But hey, that's just one old Jew's opinion of NYC. I have so many friends from all walks of life here that it would be hard to start over elsewhere.

Not to mention the kind of characters that spawn from NYC:

Jimmy the Greek - my building's superintendent who is slow on getting things fixed, but the fastest of all the building's employees to extend the hand once the holidays arrive in search of a plump white envelope.

Ramon - The man that tends to the flowers for sale, that sit in front of the nearest grocery store. Ramon doesn't say much and has a habit of always going into the grocery store at the site of law enforcement, but he does have the warmest smile and is the first to help the elderly with their groceries.

The homeless at Washington Square Park that are master chess players - Ever want the best stories NYC has to offer? Sit in for a game with these masters.

The hookers/prostitutes that roam the streets of Hell's Kitchen (9th avenue towards Hudson River) past 2am - Ever want to be taken on a voyage to a place that you doubt even existed? Offer one of these ladies of the night $40 to sit with you at a local 24-hr diner for some coffee and ask them to tell you why they've chosen this lifestyle. Sit back and hold on to your junk, it's fucking amazing the things you'll hear, plus if you're not keen on listening to a prostitute ramble, they'll probably suck your dick for an extra $10.

The many IFBB pros that live in NYC - People forget that while we are only aware/exposed to 10-20 of the most popular IFBB pros, there are hundreds of them walking around with IFBB pro cards. Many of them work a regular job. Others work as strippers and male hookers. The vast majority of them can be found in select gyms and if you're like me, you enjoy working out with these guys. Most are great at showing you new exercise routines and at small talk. That said, it doesn't come for free. They're struggling, so a few extra dollars will go a long way.

There are many more characters that I can talk about, but you get the point. Every day, I interact with so many colorful people from all walks of life and from all parts of the world. Whenever I visit other states, I don't have the pleasure of doing this.

"1"

How do you need to justify NYC?? I travel there every other week from Toronto for work and I can't say enough about it. I've really been enjoying Central Park lately.  I've typically just walked or driven by it.  Lately I've walked and run even take my lunch there, super cool.  To have that big of a park in the middle of a city like that is awesome. Christmas in that city is great too, they go all out on decorations.  Food wise, I can't think of a city with better food. Opportunity wise, it's endless.  If you can't make high 6 figs in NYC you're pobably brain dead. Sports teams galore, I try and hit or two of every month (of all sports). Transit system is great albeit my prefferred means to get around there is walking.  List goes on.

Vince mentioned lack of grocery stores, but this is not true at all. Even if you like whole foods, they are everywhere.




Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: pellius on December 02, 2018, 10:40:50 AM
Seems there are a lot of wealthy people here with a very high standard of living. America is the richest country in the world with one of the highest standard of living yet the average household income is just over 50 grand. Making 100 grand puts you in the top 20% of income owners in the richest country in the world.

What a blessed group we are to sneeze at the rest of the unwashed masses who have to suffer making less than a 100 grand a year.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on December 02, 2018, 10:57:20 AM
How do you need to justify NYC?? I travel there every other week from Toronto for work and I can't say enough about it. I've really been enjoying Central Park lately.  I've typically just walked or driven by it.  Lately I've walked and run even take my lunch there, super cool.  To have that big of a park in the middle of a city like that is awesome. Christmas in that city is great too, they go all out on decorations.  Food wise, I can't think of a city with better food. Opportunity wise, it's endless.  If you can't make high 6 figs in NYC you're pobably brain dead. Sports teams galore, I try and hit or two of every month (of all sports). Transit system is great albeit my prefferred means to get around there is walking.  List goes on.

Vince mentioned lack of grocery stores, but this is not true at all. Even if you like whole foods, they are everywhere.







You have wait an hour and a half in get in...fuck that
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on December 02, 2018, 11:16:48 AM
One thing is indisputable one more rep. NYC is the most exciting city on earth. The food alone has no comparison. I feel sorry for people in other states that are clueless about food. Ever try to get a pizza or a simple thing like a bagel in a state like Kansas? Never mind something like fine Italian or Portuguese. People think chain fast food pizzerias and Olive Garden is great food. Any ethic food you want can be found by the genuine people.  The bars, clubs and venues for entertainment has no peer.  

The city gets better or worse according to who's mayor. Do you remember how hellish it was when guys like Dinkens was mayor? Homeless people every where. Times square was a sewer. Mayor Giuliani came along and told the cops to enforce every law. The place cleaned up quick. Now with this current clown DeBlasio everything from Dinkins is coming back. He cites a reduction in crime but it's partially creative stat keeping and nothing to do with any policy by him. He cited a reduction in assaults in the schools and when the NY Post looked into it they left off the stats misdemeanor assaults like punches. Resulted in instant reduction.

I live in Jersey but I lived my first 27 years growing up on the other side of the Lincoln tunnel so I spent many a day in Manhattan.


Give me a fucking break....ethnic food???  I live in Greenville, SC and I can get authentic Italian, Indian, Jamacian, Afghan, Irish, British, African, Australian, and any other food around here easily.....just another example of New York bullshit claims that are not reality
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: SF1900 on December 02, 2018, 11:19:34 AM

Give me a fucking break....ethnic food???  I live in Greenville, SC and I can get authentic Italian, Indian, Jamacian, Afghan, Irish, British, African, Australian, and any other food around here easily.....just another example of New York bullshit claims that are not reality

Yes, you can get that food anywhere. The difference is, is that its not as good.

For example, the italian food in Vermont and New Hampshire is horrible.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: MAXX on December 02, 2018, 11:30:44 AM
How do you need to justify NYC?? I travel there every other week from Toronto for work and I can't say enough about it. I've really been enjoying Central Park lately.  I've typically just walked or driven by it.  Lately I've walked and run even take my lunch there, super cool.  To have that big of a park in the middle of a city like that is awesome. Christmas in that city is great too, they go all out on decorations.  Food wise, I can't think of a city with better food. Opportunity wise, it's endless.  If you can't make high 6 figs in NYC you're pobably brain dead. Sports teams galore, I try and hit or two of every month (of all sports). Transit system is great albeit my prefferred means to get around there is walking.  List goes on.

Vince mentioned lack of grocery stores, but this is not true at all. Even if you like whole foods, they are everywhere.



so smug...
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: OneMoreRep on December 02, 2018, 11:33:21 AM
How do you need to justify NYC?? I travel there every other week from Toronto for work and I can't say enough about it. I've really been enjoying Central Park lately.  I've typically just walked or driven by it.  Lately I've walked and run even take my lunch there, super cool.  To have that big of a park in the middle of a city like that is awesome. Christmas in that city is great too, they go all out on decorations.  Food wise, I can't think of a city with better food. Opportunity wise, it's endless.  If you can't make high 6 figs in NYC you're pobably brain dead. Sports teams galore, I try and hit or two of every month (of all sports). Transit system is great albeit my prefferred means to get around there is walking.  List goes on.

Vince mentioned lack of grocery stores, but this is not true at all. Even if you like whole foods, they are everywhere.

There's good and bad to everything. New York City is an acquired taste. Depends on the pace with which you live your life. I can see someone that moves to New York after living their life since birth within a rural area having a hard time assimilating to New York City. The many amenities that it comes with is a luxury at times, but the fact that everyone and their mother is reaching out for the same fruit can make it difficult at times to find moments of peace.

I'm so happy to hear that you are enjoying yourself when in New York City.

"1"
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: OneMoreRep on December 02, 2018, 11:35:57 AM
One thing is indisputable one more rep. NYC is the most exciting city on earth. The food alone has no comparison. I feel sorry for people in other states that are clueless about food. Ever try to get a pizza or a simple thing like a bagel in a state like Kansas? Never mind something like fine Italian or Portuguese. People think chain fast food pizzerias and Olive Garden is great food. Any ethic food you want can be found by the genuine people.  The bars, clubs and venues for entertainment has no peer.  

The city gets better or worse according to who's mayor. Do you remember how hellish it was when guys like Dinkens was mayor? Homeless people every where. Times square was a sewer. Mayor Giuliani came along and told the cops to enforce every law. The place cleaned up quick. Now with this current clown DeBlasio everything from Dinkins is coming back. He cites a reduction in crime but it's partially creative stat keeping and nothing to do with any policy by him. He cited a reduction in assaults in the schools and when the NY Post looked into it they left off the stats misdemeanor assaults like punches. Resulted in instant reduction.

I live in Jersey but I lived my first 27 years growing up on the other side of the Lincoln tunnel so I spent many a day in Manhattan.

Right on all counts my friend!

"1"
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Primemuscle on December 02, 2018, 12:04:20 PM
It's amazing how much open land there is in America where you can live dirt cheap and yet people choose to toil their lives away working 40-80 hours a week so they can live in a "cool" place.

For many people it's more like the other way around. Many if not most well paying jobs are in major cities, such as New York City, San Francisco and Los Angeles. Unless you want to spend half your lifetime commuting, you live within reasonable distance from your workplace.

In general, the total cost of living in San Francisco is 62.6% higher than the US average.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: YngiweRhoads on December 02, 2018, 12:22:07 PM
I find a town of 2000 people too crowded for my tastes. Too many fucking people everywhere. Need a good plague or war to 'thin the herd'.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Parker on December 02, 2018, 12:40:35 PM
One thing is indisputable one more rep. NYC is the most exciting city on earth. The food alone has no comparison. I feel sorry for people in other states that are clueless about food. Ever try to get a pizza or a simple thing like a bagel in a state like Kansas? Never mind something like fine Italian or Portuguese. People think chain fast food pizzerias and Olive Garden is great food. Any ethic food you want can be found by the genuine people.  The bars, clubs and venues for entertainment has no peer.  

The city gets better or worse according to who's mayor. Do you remember how hellish it was when guys like Dinkens was mayor? Homeless people every where. Times square was a sewer. Mayor Giuliani came along and told the cops to enforce every law. The place cleaned up quick. Now with this current clown DeBlasio everything from Dinkins is coming back. He cites a reduction in crime but it's partially creative stat keeping and nothing to do with any policy by him. He cited a reduction in assaults in the schools and when the NY Post looked into it they left off the stats misdemeanor assaults like punches. Resulted in instant reduction.

I live in Jersey but I lived my first 27 years growing up on the other side of the Lincoln tunnel so I spent many a day in Manhattan.
Not to be disrespectful to those from NYC or those who moved there, but you always reference food. Americans eat too much as it is.
And if you want food that sticks to your ribs, you come to the south. You work, and then you get stuffed. I am not paying X amount for some new “gourmet ribs”, when I have family down south that can make ribs that’ll make you smack your mother and swear at your father.
Personally, I want clean air, clean subways, clean streets, and space. Go to upstate New York and just breathe the air, look around you. Peace, nature, tranquility. You can here yourself think. Slowness of pace. Land. That’s what really matters. Not pizzas and bars. I am not saying that these are not important—-they are for people who think that they “have to be in XYZ spot”.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: OneMoreRep on December 02, 2018, 12:53:15 PM
Not to be disrespectful to those from NYC or those who moved there, but you always reference food. Americans eat too much as it is.
And if you want food that sticks to your ribs, you come to the south. You work, and then you get stuffed. I am not paying X amount for some new “gourmet ribs”, when I have family down south that can make ribs that’ll make you smack your mother and swear at your father.
Personally, I want clean air, clean subways, clean streets, and space. Go to upstate New York and just breathe the air, look around you. Peace, nature, tranquility. You can here yourself think. Slowness of pace. Land. That’s what really matters. Not pizzas and bars. I am not saying that these are not important—-they are for people who think that they “have to be in XYZ spot”.

Park park, whereabouts in the south?

"1"
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Parker on December 02, 2018, 12:58:47 PM
Park park, whereabouts in the south?

"1"
NC, SC, AL, VA, TN

Here, let make your mouth water for some BBQ, that only the South can do, because you can’t do this in a crowded city, and it takes a long time.
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Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on December 02, 2018, 01:01:57 PM
Yes, you can get that food anywhere. The difference is, is that its not as good.

For example, the italian food in Vermont and New Hampshire is horrible.


Fuck those places too....in any event, why do I give a shit about ethnic foods and diversity???   I'm an American and as long as I can get a cheeseburger, fries, and cold beer...its good enough for me.  I dont eat Jamacian because it's all goats and jerk chicken much less Arab food because I dont want to get blown up.  Honestly I can live without ethnic foods
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on December 02, 2018, 01:07:07 PM
Here is what 800 bucks a month gets you in Greenville SC. 


Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on December 02, 2018, 01:12:57 PM
And my current place with a 561 dollar a month mortgage and insurance.

Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 02, 2018, 01:56:26 PM
For many people it's more like the other way around. Many if not most well paying jobs are in major cities, such as New York City, San Francisco and Los Angeles. Unless you want to spend half your lifetime commuting, you live within reasonable distance from your workplace.

In general, the total cost of living in San Francisco is 62.6% higher than the US average.
It's a wash.  You make more in the city but it's cheaper to live elsewhere.  Someone who's an accountant in NYC can move to Bumblefuck Iowa and live a higher lifestyle there even though he's making much less at a much smaller company.  His commute might be a 5 minute drive or walk to work, he has fresh air, no crime and less stress.  For someone used to living in NYC it would probably be torture though.  I have friends who grew up in large metropolitan areas and they are bored to death in small towns.  I grew up in a small town and have lived in large cities, small towns and rural areas so it doesn't matter to me.  I'd rather save the money and relax more now.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: XFACTOR on December 02, 2018, 07:46:28 PM
Here is what 800 bucks a month gets you in Greenville SC. 




I see what you’re trying to do with the accent rug but for a gay man you got the short end of the decorating stick.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: el numero uno on December 02, 2018, 08:17:12 PM
Not at all. Then again, respectable standards are subjective to the beholder.

"1"

Americans have a twisted sense of poverty.

It's not something inherent to americans thou. In my opinion, people seem to normalize luxuries.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: el numero uno on December 02, 2018, 08:27:13 PM
Seems there are a lot of wealthy people here with a very high standard of living. America is the richest country in the world with one of the highest standard of living yet the average household income is just over 50 grand. Making 100 grand puts you in the top 20% of income owners in the richest country in the world.

What a blessed group we are to sneeze at the rest of the unwashed masses who have to suffer making less than a 100 grand a year.

Thank you for pointing this out.

Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: pellius on December 02, 2018, 10:46:44 PM
Americans have a twisted sense of poverty.

It's not something inherent to americans thou. In my opinion, people seem to normalize luxuries.

Gratitude has been replaced by entitlement.

Live in a third world country for a month and then you will be kissing the ground of US soil.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Primemuscle on December 03, 2018, 12:29:17 AM
Americans have a twisted sense of poverty.

It's not something inherent to americans thou. In my opinion, people seem to normalize luxuries.

Reality is relative. It's amusing to watch House Hunter shows on HGTV, with the home seeker's list of must haves and comments such as, "I'm not a fan of" and "complete gut job" being common and overused statement.

My wife and my first home purchase was a dump which was built in 1908. It took two weeks of cleaning it before we could move in. Fortunately, it is in a desirable neighborhood where slightly fixed up houses now sell for over $700,000. We paid $13,000. This is more than I can get for my late 70's suburban home with all the remodeling, upgrades and amenities I've put into it over the last 20 years. This house is also in a better neighborhood, but one that is around 10 more miles from downtown Portland. It's all about the commute around here these days. 
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 03, 2018, 02:45:23 AM
Having lived in Albion, MI and Tiffin, OH when I was a kid, left me with fond memories of small town living, which I hoped to regain as an adult. Something always stood in the way of my accomplishing this goal. Now I am old, perhaps too old to go back.

http://www.cityofalbionmi.gov

(http://www.cityofalbionmi.gov/sliderimages/slide1.jpg)

Downtown Tiffin

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Washington_from_Perry_in_Tiffin.jpg/1280px-Washington_from_Perry_in_Tiffin.jpg)

Aunt Ruth's house as it looks today is a couple of blocks from the hub of Tiffin, OH



I have friends who went to Tiffin and Heidelberg Universities.  Didn't know you grew up in the midwest.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: DooM_ on December 03, 2018, 08:55:20 AM
Seems there are a lot of wealthy people here with a very high standard of living. America is the richest country in the world with one of the highest standard of living yet the average household income is just over 50 grand. Making 100 grand puts you in the top 20% of income owners in the richest country in the world.

What a blessed group we are to sneeze at the rest of the unwashed masses who have to suffer making less than a 100 grand a year.

true , it's a warped view of reality
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on December 03, 2018, 09:36:36 AM
XFACTOR, before you criticize Goodrum further, please acknowledge that he has some qualities and achievements that your money can't buy:

- kielbasa slinger
- homewrecker
- YouTube diva
- car auction connoisseur
- business mentor
- coupon clipping charlatan

 :D
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 03, 2018, 01:04:48 PM
I've been to that monument.  Are you happy you were kidnapped and sent out west?
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Primemuscle on December 03, 2018, 01:30:27 PM
I've been to that monument.  Are you happy you were kidnapped and sent out west?

I learned to adjust to change from an early age. I am happy with pretty much everything I've experienced in the last 74 years. I feel bad for people who let a dysfunctional upbringing upset their lives. Anyway, the beaches in Southern California are great!  ;) This 'kidnapping' was an adventure that included taking the train to Detroit, then to New Jersey and continued with a 10 hour flight to California. Back in the day, airplanes had to refuel fairly often.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 03, 2018, 01:36:35 PM
I miss living in the western U.S. but family and most friends keep me here for now.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: IroNat on December 03, 2018, 01:46:05 PM
You go where you can find work or you can make money.

Those long commutes are bad but some people do it so their kids can attend better schools and grow up in better areas.





Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: pellius on December 03, 2018, 01:52:40 PM
117k is garbage anywhere.

If 117K is garbage I would be interested to know how much you would need to live comfortably. What do you think one would have to pay for typical monthly expenses: rent/mortgage, food, car payment, electricity, everyday upkeep and repairs, miscellaneous....
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: pellius on December 03, 2018, 02:03:13 PM
And my current place with a 561 dollar a month mortgage and insurance.



Great set up you have there, Vince. If I was living alone I'd definitely be happy in a place like that. And for less than $600/month... I'd be a rich man.

BTW, where do you find those food containers? Are they reusuable? They look like they might melt in the micro? How come you don't use the traditional Tupperware type of containers?
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 03, 2018, 02:08:16 PM
You go where you can find work or you can make money.

Those long commutes are bad but some people do it so their kids can attend better schools and grow up in better areas.






Yeah but there are good schools in small towns as well.  With the internet there is no excuse for not being educated no matter how bad the school.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Primemuscle on December 04, 2018, 03:04:11 PM
If 117K is garbage I would be interested to know how much you would need to live comfortably. What do you think one would have to pay for typical monthly expenses: rent/mortgage, food, car payment, electricity, everyday upkeep and repairs, miscellaneous....

First you have to define comfortably, which is relative and therefore varies from person to person. For me, it means having enough income to maintain my current lifestyle. Without doubt, I could learn to be comfortable on less. If I had more, I could adjust to that too.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Primemuscle on December 04, 2018, 03:15:07 PM
Yeah but there are good schools in small towns as well.  With the internet there is no excuse for not being educated no matter how bad the school.

When I lived in Albion, MI, my cousins and I attended a one room elementary school. -Not sure about the quality of the education, but I have great admiration for the teacher's ability to instruct students in several grades at once and in one place. Socially, being around kids of varying ages was ideal. That school is closed. Today, it is used as a bunkhouse for farmhands.

The next school I attended was Beverly Vista in Beverly Hills, CA. They wanted to put me back a grade when my mom enrolled me. She refused to allow it. I did fine. 
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on December 04, 2018, 06:32:16 PM
Great set up you have there, Vince. If I was living alone I'd definitely be happy in a place like that. And for less than $600/month... I'd be a rich man.

BTW, where do you find those food containers? Are they reusuable? They look like they might melt in the micro? How come you don't use the traditional Tupperware type of containers?

I got them on Amazon, very inexpensive and was made specifically for the microwave.  I buy a new set every 6 months.   
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on December 04, 2018, 07:34:40 PM
Honestly, you guys can make all the arguments you want advocating for New York City, LA, etc....yes it may be the most exciting places to live but the fact is that it means shit if the vast majority of people who live there have a piss poor quality of life.  

You have to work 2 jobs in order just to "make it" in New York and after working 60 hours a week,  the people there are so tired that they spend their free time resting up for their next shift at work.  The worse part is with all the money being spent on just paying bills, most of them have very little to no savings and life paycheck to paycheck.  Thanks to living in Greenville, I put a lot of money away in savings and I only work as much as I want to work.

Fashion??  LOL.   When I was there, I never saw so many people wearing and carrying fake shit.   Fake Nikes, Fake Gucci Bags, Fake Watches, Fake Socks, Fake Hats, Fake Sunglasses, etc.   The whole place is a fucking fraud.   I had a friend over one time and they complimented me on my Movado watch and immediately said it was a great looking replica....which I had to reply that it was great looking because its a real Movado watch.   They don't even know what a real shit looks like.

Food???   What you can get in New York, you can get anywhere especially in Greenville, SC.   I just got home from eating out at Ruth Chris Steakhouse.   Had a nice aged ribeye, salad with Roquefort dressing, Merlot, and a French Pressed Coffee....didn't even have to make reservations.  It may not be Dorsi but there's plenty of great places to eat in Greenville, SC and people are not limited to just the fucking Olive Garden.   Of course, other than that nasty ass 1 dollar pizza, most people in New York eat at home because they can't afford to eat out and because they don't have time to wait 2 hours at a Whole Foods, they end up getting their food from a convenience store.....SAD!!!


Transportation???   I cruise the highways in my Cadillac listening to great music on my Bose system.   I go where I want and when I want.  I don't have to worry about a Subway system or walk a bunch of blocks although if I lived in New York, I would be on a bike.   However, given the elements its a shitty way to get around.  


Entertainment....Ok I'll give New York the win on that...simply can't beat it.  However its not boring in Greenville, SC.   There are plenty of art galleries here, I can go to the Peace Center to watch any theatre productions and after the club closes, I'll usually head over a house gathering where the socializing can continue.  We get by around here pretty well.  





Sorry folks, but while I enjoy visiting New York...I definitely would never live there regardless as to who is mayor.  









    
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: pellius on December 04, 2018, 10:02:41 PM
First you have to define comfortably, which is relative and therefore varies from person to person. For me, it means having enough income to maintain my current lifestyle. Without doubt, I could learn to be comfortable on less. If I had more, I could adjust to that too.

No need to over analyze. No matter what we have we always want more. I'm talking about being comfortable. Why do I need to define that? Are you hungry? Thirsty? Cold? Hot? If you were hungry, Goodrum's tilapia and broccoli might not be as "comfortable " as lobster dripping in butter but would it make you "uncomfortable"? Would you feel deprived? If I had to drink only cold water for the rest of my life, sure I would miss out of some great drinks, but would I feel "uncomfortable"?

Don't conflate luxuries with necessities. My Ford Truck can get me anywhere that a Maybach with pretty much the same level of comfort. Certainly not status. But my ass can't really tell much of the difference the car seat. Certainly not enough where I feel deprived or uncomfortable. In fact, my Ford would probably feel more comfortable initially since it has my permanent ass print from the years of sitting in it.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: pellius on December 04, 2018, 10:05:38 PM
I got them on Amazon, very inexpensive and was made specifically for the microwave.  I buy a new set every 6 months.   

I got to start hitting you up more on where to great the good deal on various items. You're a master at not wasting money when you don't have to.

What are those type of containers called?
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Primemuscle on December 05, 2018, 12:15:25 AM
Honestly, you guys can make all the arguments you want advocating for New York City, LA, etc....yes it may be the most exciting places to live but the fact is that it means shit if the vast majority of people who live there have a piss poor quality of life.  

You have to work 2 jobs in order just to "make it" in New York and after working 60 hours a week,  the people there are so tired that they spend their free time resting up for their next shift at work.  The worse part is with all the money being spent on just paying bills, most of them have very little to no savings and life paycheck to paycheck.  Thanks to living in Greenville, I put a lot of money away in savings and I only work as much as I want to work.

Fashion??  LOL.   When I was there, I never saw so many people wearing and carrying fake shit.   Fake Nikes, Fake Gucci Bags, Fake Watches, Fake Socks, Fake Hats, Fake Sunglasses, etc.   The whole place is a fucking fraud.   I had a friend over one time and they complimented me on my Movado watch and immediately said it was a great looking replica....which I had to reply that it was great looking because its a real Movado watch.   They don't even know what a real shit looks like.

Food???   What you can get in New York, you can get anywhere especially in Greenville, SC.   I just got home from eating out at Ruth Chris Steakhouse.   Had a nice aged ribeye, salad with Roquefort dressing, Merlot, and a French Pressed Coffee....didn't even have to make reservations.  It may not be Dorsi but there's plenty of great places to eat in Greenville, SC and people are not limited to just the fucking Olive Garden.   Of course, other than that nasty ass 1 dollar pizza, most people in New York eat at home because they can't afford to eat out and because they don't have time to wait 2 hours at a Whole Foods, they end up getting their food from a convenience store.....SAD!!!


Transportation???   I cruise the highways in my Cadillac listening to great music on my Bose system.   I go where I want and when I want.  I don't have to worry about a Subway system or walk a bunch of blocks although if I lived in New York, I would be on a bike.   However, given the elements its a shitty way to get around.  


Entertainment....Ok I'll give New York the win on that...simply can't beat it.  However its not boring in Greenville, SC.   There are plenty of art galleries here, I can go to the Peace Center to watch any theatre productions and after the club closes, I'll usually head over a house gathering where the socializing can continue.  We get by around here pretty well.  





Sorry folks, but while I enjoy visiting New York...I definitely would never live there regardless as to who is mayor.  









    

Yes you seem to have it good in in Greenville. Whether or not living in New York City is good depends on how much money you have. The people and situations you've exampled are just that, examples which represent some people, but not all.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Primemuscle on December 05, 2018, 12:23:53 AM
No need to over analyze. No matter what we have we always want more. I'm talking about being comfortable. Why do I need to define that? Are you hungry? Thirsty? Cold? Hot? If you were hungry, Goodrum's tilapia and broccoli might not be as "comfortable " as lobster dripping in butter but would it make you "uncomfortable"? Would you feel deprived? If I had to drink only cold water for the rest of my life, sure I would miss out of some great drinks, but would I feel "uncomfortable"?

Don't conflate luxuries with necessities. My Ford Truck can get me anywhere that a Maybach with pretty much the same level of comfort. Certainly not status. But my ass can't really tell much of the difference the car seat. Certainly not enough where I feel deprived or uncomfortable. In fact, my Ford would probably feel more comfortable initially since it has my permanent ass print from the years of sitting in it.

Perhaps you have a different definition of the adverb comfortably than is found in the dictionary. Adequately might be a better choice.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Primemuscle on December 05, 2018, 12:29:17 AM
You go where you can find work or you can make money.

Those long commutes are bad but some people do it so their kids can attend better schools and grow up in better areas.







I've been lucky to have commutes which were less than 15 minutes in a car or about 20 minutes when I road my bike.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: galain on December 05, 2018, 12:56:53 AM
San Francisco real estate prices sound like most of Australia. People in Oz have been talking about a housing crash for decades now but the prices keep rising. A few years ago, a fucking one car garage in Sydney sold for next to million dollars. If the crash comes, we've bound ourselves up so tightly with China that the Chinese (or other foreign investors) are just going to swoop in and buy everything anyway.

I was last in SF about 6 years ago and there were already plenty of homeless people -God knows what it's like now. Always enjoyed Manhattan although when I was there last year it was starting to feel a little like a Disney version of itself.

Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Primemuscle on December 05, 2018, 01:01:40 AM
San Francisco real estate prices sound like most of Australia. People in Oz have been talking about a housing crash for decades now but the prices keep rising. A few years ago, a fucking one car garage in Sydney sold for next to million dollars. If the crash comes, we've bound ourselves up so tightly with China that the Chinese (or other foreign investors) are just going to swoop in and buy everything anyway.

I was last in SF about 6 years ago and there were already plenty of homeless people -God knows what it's like now. Always enjoyed Manhattan although when I was there last year it was starting to feel a little like a Disney version of itself.



-Was recently looking at homeless stats. California had the high number of homeless people. The homeless more frequently live in large cities were there are better resources.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 05, 2018, 03:20:25 AM
Honestly, you guys can make all the arguments you want advocating for New York City, LA, etc....yes it may be the most exciting places to live but the fact is that it means shit if the vast majority of people who live there have a piss poor quality of life.  

You have to work 2 jobs in order just to "make it" in New York and after working 60 hours a week,  the people there are so tired that they spend their free time resting up for their next shift at work.  The worse part is with all the money being spent on just paying bills, most of them have very little to no savings and life paycheck to paycheck.  Thanks to living in Greenville, I put a lot of money away in savings and I only work as much as I want to work.

Fashion??  LOL.   When I was there, I never saw so many people wearing and carrying fake shit.   Fake Nikes, Fake Gucci Bags, Fake Watches, Fake Socks, Fake Hats, Fake Sunglasses, etc.   The whole place is a fucking fraud.   I had a friend over one time and they complimented me on my Movado watch and immediately said it was a great looking replica....which I had to reply that it was great looking because its a real Movado watch.   They don't even know what a real shit looks like.

Food???   What you can get in New York, you can get anywhere especially in Greenville, SC.   I just got home from eating out at Ruth Chris Steakhouse.   Had a nice aged ribeye, salad with Roquefort dressing, Merlot, and a French Pressed Coffee....didn't even have to make reservations.  It may not be Dorsi but there's plenty of great places to eat in Greenville, SC and people are not limited to just the fucking Olive Garden.   Of course, other than that nasty ass 1 dollar pizza, most people in New York eat at home because they can't afford to eat out and because they don't have time to wait 2 hours at a Whole Foods, they end up getting their food from a convenience store.....SAD!!!


Transportation???   I cruise the highways in my Cadillac listening to great music on my Bose system.   I go where I want and when I want.  I don't have to worry about a Subway system or walk a bunch of blocks although if I lived in New York, I would be on a bike.   However, given the elements its a shitty way to get around.  


Entertainment....Ok I'll give New York the win on that...simply can't beat it.  However its not boring in Greenville, SC.   There are plenty of art galleries here, I can go to the Peace Center to watch any theatre productions and after the club closes, I'll usually head over a house gathering where the socializing can continue.  We get by around here pretty well.  





Sorry folks, but while I enjoy visiting New York...I definitely would never live there regardless as to who is mayor.  









    
And all of that fake fashion stuff is for them to impress people they don't even know or like.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: chaos on December 05, 2018, 04:11:17 PM
-Was recently looking at homeless stats. California had the high number of homeless people. The homeless more frequently live in large cities were there are better resources.
If the resources were better, there wouldn't be so many homeless.
And they're mooching off of my tax dollars that those piece of shit democrats keep raising. Bunch of fucking freeloading morons that supposedly keep voting these douchebags in. >:(
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: deadz on December 06, 2018, 06:51:00 AM
If 117K is garbage I would be interested to know how much you would need to live comfortably. What do you think one would have to pay for typical monthly expenses: rent/mortgage, food, car payment, electricity, everyday upkeep and repairs, miscellaneous....
Youre low income and I don’t care.🙂
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Primemuscle on December 06, 2018, 01:35:44 PM
If 117K is garbage I would be interested to know how much you would need to live comfortably. What do you think one would have to pay for typical monthly expenses: rent/mortgage, food, car payment, electricity, everyday upkeep and repairs, miscellaneous....

Been thinking about this. My sister barely gets by on about $2,000 a month, living in Salem, OR. She is about $20 away from qualifying for housing assistance. The cost of living there is about 9% more than the national average. Portland is about 48% above the national average. West Linn, where I live, is 65% above the national average. San Francisco is 102%. Honolulu's is 101%.

If you want to live on the cheap, move to Mississippi. It has the lowest cost of living among all the states.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 06, 2018, 02:02:47 PM
But who the Hell wants to live in Mississippi?  No offense to any Getbiggers from Mississippi.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Primemuscle on December 06, 2018, 02:04:40 PM
But who the Hell wants to live in Mississippi?  No offense to any Getbiggers from Mississippi.

-Too hot and muggy, plus aren't there a lot of floods there?
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 06, 2018, 02:08:36 PM
I drove across the state once and there was nothing I liked.  If you like shrimp, gumbo, cajun food and sweltering hot weather maybe it's o.k.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Primemuscle on December 06, 2018, 02:18:18 PM
I drove across the state once and there was nothing I liked.  If you like shrimp, gumbo, cajun food and sweltering hot weather maybe it's o.k.

The closest I've been is Mobil, Alabama.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 06, 2018, 02:28:24 PM
Most places in the south, midwest and mountain west are very affordable for retirees.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: pellius on December 06, 2018, 07:35:14 PM
Youre low income and I don’t care.🙂

Ok. So you won't answer the question. That answers it for me.

You're a phony.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: IronMagazine.com on December 06, 2018, 09:08:08 PM
I cannot live on less than $20k per month net, after taxes.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: pellius on December 07, 2018, 01:18:57 AM
I cannot live on less than $20k per month net, after taxes.

How about you? Can you give us a break down on your monthly expenses?
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: el numero uno on December 07, 2018, 03:29:58 AM
I cannot live on less than $20k per month net, after taxes.

Typical getbigger.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on December 07, 2018, 08:21:05 AM
I cannot live on less than $20k per month net, after taxes.


That's a lot of dick to suck....better log off and take care of that line of customers
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on December 07, 2018, 10:05:11 AM
But who the Hell wants to live in Mississippi?  No offense to any Getbiggers from Mississippi.


I would live in Jackson, Ms.  If the weather is too hot, stay inside.  We usually dont venture outside at noon, usually later on when its cool
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: DooM_ on December 07, 2018, 12:20:31 PM
I cannot live on less than $20k per month net, after taxes.

yes you can , don't be ridiculous , you're wasting money on frivolous crap
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 07, 2018, 12:24:47 PM

That's a lot of dick to suck....better log off and take care of that line of customers
Ha, ha.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Ronnie Rep on December 08, 2018, 06:50:35 AM
Getbiggers make $117,000K in 2 days.
An hour.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on December 08, 2018, 07:04:03 AM
That's a lot of dick to suck....better log off and take care of that line of customers

When you fornicated with the homewrecker, did you send him this bill / invoice? :

30 minutes of kielbasa anal pounding ... 50 $

shot of cum to the mouth ... 10 $

verbal humiliation in diner (verbal cuckolding) ... 10 $
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Mr Anabolic on December 08, 2018, 07:21:45 AM
San Francisco real estate prices sound like most of Australia. People in Oz have been talking about a housing crash for decades now but the prices keep rising. A few years ago, a fucking one car garage in Sydney sold for next to million dollars. If the crash comes, we've bound ourselves up so tightly with China that the Chinese (or other foreign investors) are just going to swoop in and buy everything anyway.

I was last in SF about 6 years ago and there were already plenty of homeless people -God knows what it's like now. Always enjoyed Manhattan although when I was there last year it was starting to feel a little like a Disney version of itself.

Chinese are most responsible for driving prices up, especially in larger cities like SF and Vancouver.  Housing prices are dropping right now.  Prices like this are never sustainable.  There are plenty of naïve people who buy at the top of the market.  The "greater fool" theory applies in RE too.  There are cycles in every asset class.  The RE cycle is usually 7-10 years.  Although a single home is really not an asset, it's a liability.  Multi-unit properties that that yield positive monthly cash flow (after all expenses) are a different story.  Still, being a landlord can be a huge hassle when things go wrong.  It's best to have a management company handle it.  
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: SF1900 on December 08, 2018, 08:01:08 AM
As I type this, I am looking out my beautiful window, overlooking the beach and seeing the waves crashing with a nice omelette and some fruit.

Life is good.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: chaos on December 08, 2018, 08:27:27 AM
As I type this, I am looking out my beautiful window, overlooking the beach and seeing the waves crashing with a nice omelette and some fruit.

Life is good.
Still on your date with that Jap? :D
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on December 08, 2018, 08:48:36 AM
As I type this, I am looking out my beautiful window, overlooking the beach and seeing the waves crashing with a nice omelette and some fruit.

Life is good.

excellent news, buddy.  :)

By the way, the other day, in a thoughtful moment, it occured to me, that it is rather convenient that Basile writes in that navy blue font. When you encounter a veritable blue wall of text in a topic, you immediately know you can skip it without reading it. Do you agree?  :D
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: SF1900 on December 08, 2018, 08:57:03 AM
excellent news, buddy.  :)

By the way, the other day, in a thoughtful moment, it occured to me, that it is rather convenient that Basile writes in that navy blue font. When you encounter a veritable blue wall of text in a topic, you immediately know you can skip it without reading it. Do you agree?  :D

Actually, my post was mocking Fallsview.

More like I was sitting at my kitchen table eating an egg white omelet with butternut squash, minus the view of the beach.  :D :D

Yes, I 100% agree. Its another way that Vince Basile is trying to be unique but failing.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: el numero uno on December 08, 2018, 02:13:10 PM
And my current place with a 561 dollar a month mortgage and insurance.



Congratulations. It looks very nice.


Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on December 10, 2018, 06:43:50 AM
Goodrum, how much do you earn per year?
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: stuntmovie on December 10, 2018, 11:36:41 AM
SF, I know the city of San Francisco pretty well ... and I can't recall any home with a window overlooking a beautiful beach ,, but with a couple of possible exceptions such as Robin William's home overlooking China Beach which I think had a beach view ... or  maybe during a lunch-time visit to the Cliff House.

But then I discovered that you were mocking someone while eating an egg-white omlete.

BTW, what is the present situation regarding that very expensive condominium in the ball park area that is 'leaning over'?
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on December 10, 2018, 11:44:15 AM
Goodrum, how much do you earn per year?


A little over 70k
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: IronMagazine.com on December 10, 2018, 07:32:45 PM

A little over 70k

that's poverty.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: SF1900 on December 10, 2018, 11:54:05 PM
SF, I know the city of San Francisco pretty well ... and I can't recall any home with a window overlooking a beautiful beach ,, but with a couple of possible exceptions such as Robin William's home overlooking China Beach which I think had a beach view ... or  maybe during a lnch-time visit to the Cliff House.

But then I discovered that you were mocking someone while eating an egg-white omlete.

BTW, what is the present situation regarding that very expensive condominium in the ball park area that is 'leaning over'?

I’m not from San Francisco  :)
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Griffith on December 11, 2018, 12:16:09 AM
that's poverty.

In every post you sound like you have an inferiority complex and chip on your shoulder.

Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: IroNat on December 11, 2018, 04:38:30 AM
That city you live in sounds pretty good, Goodrum.
Title: Re: Earning $117,000 is low income in the Bay Area
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on December 12, 2018, 07:37:00 PM
that's poverty.


Not in SC...median is about 35k....prices for goods reflect that.  I live pretty good