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Obama admn seeks new mileage tax -GPS Vehicle in every car!!!!
« on: February 20, 2009, 04:13:10 AM »
Obama’s Transportation Secretary Eyes Mileage Tax on American Motorists
Friday, February 20, 2009
By Joan Lowy, Associated Press


Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood is interviewed by The Associated Press on Thursday, Feb. 19, 2009, in Washington. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)Washington (AP) - Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood says he wants to consider taxing motorists based on how many miles they drive rather than how much gasoline they burn -- an idea that has angered drivers in some states where it has been proposed.
 
Gasoline taxes that for nearly half a century have paid for the federal share of highway and bridge construction can no longer be counted on to raise enough money to keep the nation's transportation system moving, LaHood said in an interview with The Associated Press.
 
"We should look at the vehicular miles program where people are actually clocked on the number of miles that they traveled," the former Illinois Republican lawmaker said.
 
Most transportation experts see a vehicle miles traveled tax as a long-term solution, but Congress is being urged to move in that direction now by funding pilot projects.
 
The idea also is gaining ground in several states. Governors in Idaho and Rhode Island are talking about such programs, and a North Carolina panel suggested in December the state start charging motorists a quarter-cent for every mile as a substitute for the gas tax.
 
A tentative plan in Massachusetts to use GPS chips in vehicles to charge motorists by the mile has drawn complaints from drivers who say it's an Orwellian intrusion by government into the lives of citizens. Other motorists say it eliminates an incentive to drive more fuel-efficient cars since gas guzzlers will be taxed at the same rate as fuel sippers.
 
Besides a VMT tax, more tolls for highways and bridges and more government partnerships with business to finance transportation projects are other funding options, LaHood, one of two Republicans in President Barack Obama's Cabinet, said in the interview Thursday.
 
"What I see this administration doing is this -- thinking outside the box on how we fund our infrastructure in America," he said.
 
LaHood said he firmly opposes raising the federal gasoline tax in the current recession.


(AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)The program that funds the federal share of highway projects is part of a surface transportation law that expires Sept. 30. Last fall, Congress made an emergency infusion of $8 billion to make up for a shortfall between gas tax revenues and the amount of money promised to states for their projects. The gap between money raised by the gas tax and the cost of maintaining the nation's highway system and expanding it to accommodate population growth is forecast to continue to widen.
 
Among the reasons for the gap is a switch to more fuel-efficient cars and a decrease in driving that many transportation experts believe is related to the economic downturn. Electric cars and alternative-fuel vehicles that don't use gasoline are expected to start penetrating the market in greater numbers.
 
"One of the things I think everyone agrees with around reauthorization of the highway bill is that the highway trust fund is an antiquated system for funding our highways," LaHood said. "It did work to build the interstate system and it was very effective, there's no question about that. But the big question now is, We're into the 21st century and how are we going to take care of our infrastructure needs ... with a highway trust fund that had to be plused up by $8 billion by Congress last year?"
 
A blue-ribbon national transportation commission is expected to release a report next week recommending a VMT.
 
The system would require all cars and trucks be equipped with global satellite positioning technology, a transponder, a clock and other equipment to record how many miles a vehicle was driven, whether it was driven on highways or secondary roads, and even whether it was driven during peak traffic periods or off-peak hours.
 
The device would tally how much tax motorists owed depending upon their road use. Motorists would pay the amount owed when it was downloaded, probably at gas stations at first, but an alternative eventually would be needed.
 
Rob Atkinson, president of the National Surface Transportation Infrastructure Financing Commission, the agency that is developing future transportation funding options, said moving to a national VMT would take about a decade.
 
Privacy concerns are based more on perception than any actual risk, Atkinson said. The satellite information would be beamed one way to the car and driving information would be contained within the device on the car, with the amount of the tax due the only information that's downloaded, he said.
 
The devices also could be programmed to charge higher rates to vehicles that are heavier, like trucks that put more stress on roadways, Atkinson said.
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OBAMA is truly racing us to a depression.  If people think they are taxed per mile, they will not drive and engage in commerce.

This marxist is seriously going to cause a revolt.

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Re: Obama admn seeks new mileage tax -GPS Vehicle in every car!!!!
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2009, 04:56:39 AM »
Obama’s Transportation Secretary Eyes Mileage Tax on American Motorists
Friday, February 20, 2009
By Joan Lowy, Associated Press


Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood is interviewed by The Associated Press on Thursday, Feb. 19, 2009, in Washington. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)Washington (AP) - Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood says he wants to consider taxing motorists based on how many miles they drive rather than how much gasoline they burn -- an idea that has angered drivers in some states where it has been proposed.
 
Gasoline taxes that for nearly half a century have paid for the federal share of highway and bridge construction can no longer be counted on to raise enough money to keep the nation's transportation system moving, LaHood said in an interview with The Associated Press.
 
"We should look at the vehicular miles program where people are actually clocked on the number of miles that they traveled," the former Illinois Republican lawmaker said.
 
Most transportation experts see a vehicle miles traveled tax as a long-term solution, but Congress is being urged to move in that direction now by funding pilot projects.
 
The idea also is gaining ground in several states. Governors in Idaho and Rhode Island are talking about such programs, and a North Carolina panel suggested in December the state start charging motorists a quarter-cent for every mile as a substitute for the gas tax.
 
A tentative plan in Massachusetts to use GPS chips in vehicles to charge motorists by the mile has drawn complaints from drivers who say it's an Orwellian intrusion by government into the lives of citizens. Other motorists say it eliminates an incentive to drive more fuel-efficient cars since gas guzzlers will be taxed at the same rate as fuel sippers.
 
Besides a VMT tax, more tolls for highways and bridges and more government partnerships with business to finance transportation projects are other funding options, LaHood, one of two Republicans in President Barack Obama's Cabinet, said in the interview Thursday.
 
"What I see this administration doing is this -- thinking outside the box on how we fund our infrastructure in America," he said.
 
LaHood said he firmly opposes raising the federal gasoline tax in the current recession.


(AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)The program that funds the federal share of highway projects is part of a surface transportation law that expires Sept. 30. Last fall, Congress made an emergency infusion of $8 billion to make up for a shortfall between gas tax revenues and the amount of money promised to states for their projects. The gap between money raised by the gas tax and the cost of maintaining the nation's highway system and expanding it to accommodate population growth is forecast to continue to widen.
 
Among the reasons for the gap is a switch to more fuel-efficient cars and a decrease in driving that many transportation experts believe is related to the economic downturn. Electric cars and alternative-fuel vehicles that don't use gasoline are expected to start penetrating the market in greater numbers.
 
"One of the things I think everyone agrees with around reauthorization of the highway bill is that the highway trust fund is an antiquated system for funding our highways," LaHood said. "It did work to build the interstate system and it was very effective, there's no question about that. But the big question now is, We're into the 21st century and how are we going to take care of our infrastructure needs ... with a highway trust fund that had to be plused up by $8 billion by Congress last year?"
 
A blue-ribbon national transportation commission is expected to release a report next week recommending a VMT.
 
The system would require all cars and trucks be equipped with global satellite positioning technology, a transponder, a clock and other equipment to record how many miles a vehicle was driven, whether it was driven on highways or secondary roads, and even whether it was driven during peak traffic periods or off-peak hours.
 
The device would tally how much tax motorists owed depending upon their road use. Motorists would pay the amount owed when it was downloaded, probably at gas stations at first, but an alternative eventually would be needed.
 
Rob Atkinson, president of the National Surface Transportation Infrastructure Financing Commission, the agency that is developing future transportation funding options, said moving to a national VMT would take about a decade.
 
Privacy concerns are based more on perception than any actual risk, Atkinson said. The satellite information would be beamed one way to the car and driving information would be contained within the device on the car, with the amount of the tax due the only information that's downloaded, he said.
 
The devices also could be programmed to charge higher rates to vehicles that are heavier, like trucks that put more stress on roadways, Atkinson said.
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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2009, 05:15:07 AM »
I cannot go for this SHIT...

and yes, please provide a link.

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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2009, 05:16:00 AM »
I cannot go for this SHIT...

and yes, please provide a link.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090220/BUSINESS01/90220017/Transit+chief+eyes+tax+on+miles+driven

This is an AP Article from Detroit Free Press.  Check it out.   

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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2009, 05:47:17 AM »
I can't go for this kind of pure SHIT.  They can fuck the hell off and I'll shove that GPS unit right up the fuckers ass that gets near my car with it.

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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2009, 05:50:16 AM »
I can't go for this kind of pure SHIT.  They can fuck the hell off and I'll shove that GPS unit right up the fuckers ass that gets near my car with it.

I told people before the election that this was going to be a disaster and no one wanted to listen.  Look, McCain sucked, but he would not have pushed this garbage.

Even you probably would have to agree that the first step is to get the GOP to at least get control of the House of Reps to slow this garbage down.

There needs to be checks and balances. 

One party controlling all three branches is just awful.
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2009, 05:52:00 AM »
This is getting out of hand.  Let some dipshit get near my car with a GOVERNMENT GPS device.  I guess I better get prepared to go to jail. 

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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2009, 05:52:38 AM »
I can't go for this kind of pure SHIT.  They can fuck the hell off and I'll shove that GPS unit right up the fuckers ass that gets near my car with it.

FROM THE ARTICLE:

The system would require all cars and trucks be equipped with global satellite positioning technology, a transponder, a clock and other equipment to record how many miles a vehicle was driven, whether it was driven on highways or secondary roads, and even whether it was driven during peak traffic periods or off-peak hours.


1984, Big Brother, Nanny State, Orwell, Twilight Zone, etc.

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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2009, 05:55:04 AM »
I told people before the election that this was going to be a disaster and no one wanted to listen.  Look, McCain sucked, but he would not have pushed this garbage.

Even you probably would have to agree that the first step is to get the GOP to at least get control of the House of Reps to slow this garbage down.

There needs to be checks and balances. 

One party controlling all three branches is just awful.
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That's where I think, I'm sorry, I know you're dead ass wrong.  All this crap is coming down regardless of party.  The same shittwit companies lobbying to do this shit would still be there getting the things they wanted.  Maybe with a different twist or with a different order of introduction but still coming down the line one way or another.  The same people who have wacked goals for global governance or NWO and the people's every move watched are still there getting their way in one order of introduction or another.  So sorry, you're wrong on that.

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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2009, 05:58:11 AM »
Its not a solution, but at least a temporary break from the speed at which they are pushing things right now.


To start, I think we need a 10 million taxpayer march on DC. 


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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2009, 06:04:07 AM »
The best thing that can happen is to have dems, republican and independent voters willing to not just follow the leader but get together behind opposing ideas that are bad AS WELL as supporting ideas that are good.  The failure for the people to do that is what's going to screw us.

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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2009, 06:07:16 AM »
The best thing that can happen is to have dems, republican and independent voters willing to not just follow the leader but get together behind opposing ideas that are bad AS WELL as supporting ideas that are good.  The failure for the people to do that is what's going to screw us.

Look, most people I know just are not concerned and dont pay attention until its too late. 

They focus on sports, Idol, etc.

Please, my friends think I make shit up when I tell them what is going on.  The next question always is, "where are we going to watch the game."

Marx was wrong!  Sports is the oppiute of the masses.

If you want to change shit, end sports programming on tv.

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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2009, 06:22:55 AM »
Look, most people I know just are not concerned and dont pay attention until its too late. 

They focus on sports, Idol, etc.

Please, my friends think I make shit up when I tell them what is going on.  The next question always is, "where are we going to watch the game."

Marx was wrong!  Sports is the oppiute of the masses.

If you want to change shit, end sports programming on tv.
same thing has happend to me for so many years I've lost track.  And many people here are guilty of it too.  Ozmo use to mock me for saying the country is headed toward an orwellian state.  These things happen in increments.  I bet when we are fully in an orwellian state, there will be no shortage of people saying we're not.  It will have crept up on them like a frog in slowly heated water.

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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2009, 06:36:04 AM »
same thing has happend to me for so many years I've lost track.  And many people here are guilty of it too.  Ozmo use to mock me for saying the country is headed toward an orwellian state.  These things happen in increments.  I bet when we are fully in an orwellian state, there will be no shortage of people saying we're not.  It will have crept up on them like a frog in slowly heated water.

These politicians are not that dumb.  They know the code words and know not to come right out and say certain things.

Instead, they use code language that people like you or me can pick up on, but that the average moron sucker fantasy football moron is oblivious to.

It is very distressing.

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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2009, 06:46:13 AM »
I can't go for this kind of pure SHIT.  They can fuck the hell off and I'll shove that GPS unit right up the fuckers ass that gets near my car with it.
obama will come back and say, "this helps you get to places faster and more efficient"

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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2009, 06:47:18 AM »
obama will come back and say, "this helps you get to places faster and more efficient"

I warned everyone and was laughed at. 

We are on the fast track to tyranny, big brother, 1984, orwell, nanny state.

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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2009, 06:57:59 AM »
I warned everyone and was laughed at. 

We are on the fast track to tyranny, big brother, 1984, orwell, nanny state.
we'll be laughed at for this thread, or just ignored.

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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2009, 07:00:22 AM »
What I find most upsetting is that I know a lot of people who either refuse to believe this stuff is going on, or are more satisfied knowing that the college b-ball game is on.

I really dont know what more it will take. 

Tyranny in this country is a process, not an event.


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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2009, 07:10:44 AM »



Change !!!!!!!
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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2009, 07:12:17 AM »


Change !!!!!!!
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I BEAT DRUDGE ON THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2009, 07:14:21 AM »
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BEAT DRUDGE ON THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The only excuse these Obama lovers can come up with now, is that McCain would have done the same.

Which is Bullshit !   



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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2009, 07:16:52 AM »
I said all along, McCain was bad, but OBAMA was unthinkable. 

Heck, I am blasted daily over my liking Palin. 

I know she would never push this Big Brother/1984 garbage. 

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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2009, 07:19:16 AM »
I can't go for this kind of pure SHIT.  They can fuck the hell off and I'll shove that GPS unit right up the fuckers ass that gets near my car with it.

Stop right there comrade, give Obama more time to show us what he's got yeah, just like you said in the other thread moaning about everyone is on his case already!
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« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2009, 07:22:24 AM »
Stop right there comrade, give Obama more time to show us what he's got yeah, just like you said in the other thread moaning about everyone is on his case already!

KRS One was right.

OBAMA IS THE BLACK FACE ON THE NWO!