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TOP TEN WAYS THEY FIX THE OLYMPIA
1. Call a judges meeting the day before the show to strategize how they will justify Cutler winning.
2. Flex photographers take contest photos of Cutler filling the frame - everyone else is shot differently with less zoom. That way, when people compare photos, Cutler looks bigger and more detailed in each one, even though we know otherwise. Exhibit A:
(http://www.mr-olympia.eu/callouts/img/lide/24/7.jpg)(http://www.mr-olympia.eu/callouts/img/lide/01/7.jpg)
Exhibit B:
(http://www.mr-olympia.eu/callouts/img/lide/24/2.jpg)(http://www.mr-olympia.eu/callouts/img/lide/01/2.jpg)
3. Judges agree not to not call out Cutler against Wolfe. Instead we get Cutler v. Will Harris.
4. Judges try to make us think this is 2006 all over again with pointless Cutler-Coleman comparisons, as if either guy is worth calling out in the first round.
5. Dishonest publications do a sudden about-face from last year and decide that size is more important than conditioning. None of them explain how Ruhl still fails to make top 10.
6. Flex Magazine reports that the show is between Cutler and Martinez, describing Jay as "clearly the biggest competitor among the upper echelon competitors" -- whatever the fuck that means!
7. All of the so-called "writers" report their "predictions" during the show instead of a fair description of the total mockery we are witnessing. Only Lift Studios has the cojones to report that the show should be between Victor and Dexter.
8. Photographer assistants are already reviewing photos to find ones where Cutler is fully into pose and Victor and Dexter are not.
9. Judges change scorecards with calculators to figure out how to set stage for Jay's "come-from-behind" victory.
10. Judges tell Victor the contest "is all yours" on Friday night, so he can relax enough to allow Jay to "sharpen up" enough to win on Saturday. Just watch.
In fact, the only thing weighing in Victor's favor is his close relationship with head judge Steve Weinberger and Steve's wife and fellow judge Bev Francis. This may come down to a behind-the-scenes battle between the judges and their lobbying of other judges.
And of course, MHP's (Vic's sponsor) Gerard Dente has probably been on the phone for the past 48 hours calling the judges and offering them all-expenses paid trips to the Caribbean.
"There are things....that go on...that people don't need to know."
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3. Judges agree not to not call out Cutler against Wolfe. Instead we get Cutler v. Will Harris.
Interesting. In those pics you posted, Wolf beats Cutler on every body part except calves. :o
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shut the fuck you up idiot none of that is going on. what a retard.
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Interesting read, time will tell if it holds up. I know it doesn't matter (to the judges) but making Jay's pics bigger only make his flaws more obvious.
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TOP TEN WAYS THEY FIX THE OLYMPIA
1. Call a judges meeting the day before the show to strategize how they will justify Cutler winning.
2. Flex photographers take contest photos of Cutler filling the frame - everyone else is shot differently with less zoom. That way, when people compare photos, Cutler looks bigger and more detailed in each one, even though we know otherwise. Exhibit A:
(http://www.mr-olympia.eu/callouts/img/lide/24/7.jpg)(http://www.mr-olympia.eu/callouts/img/lide/01/7.jpg)
Exhibit B:
(http://www.mr-olympia.eu/callouts/img/lide/24/2.jpg)(http://www.mr-olympia.eu/callouts/img/lide/01/2.jpg)
3. Judges agree not to not call out Cutler against Wolfe. Instead we get Cutler v. Will Harris.
4. Judges try to make us think this is 2006 all over again with pointless Cutler-Coleman comparisons, as if either guy is worth calling out in the first round.
5. Dishonest publications do a sudden about-face from last year and decide that size is more important than conditioning. None of them explain how Ruhl still fails to make top 10.
6. Flex Magazine reports that the show is between Cutler and Martinez, describing Jay as "clearly the biggest competitor among the upper echelon competitors" -- whatever the fuck that means!
7. All of the so-called "writers" report their "predictions" during the show instead of a fair description of the total mockery we are witnessing. Only Lift Studios has the cojones to report that the show should be between Victor and Dexter.
8. Photographer assistants are already reviewing photos to find ones where Cutler is fully into pose and Victor and Dexter are not.
9. Judges change scorecards with calculators to figure out how to set stage for Jay's "come-from-behind" victory.
10. Judges tell Victor the contest "is all yours" on Friday night, so he can relax enough to allow Jay to "sharpen up" enough to win on Saturday. Just watch.
In fact, the only thing weighing in Victor's favor is his close relationship with head judge Steve Weinberger and Steve's wife and fellow judge Bev Francis. This may come down to a behind-the-scenes battle between the judges and their lobbying of other judges.
And of course, MHP's (Vic's sponsor) Gerard Dente has probably been on the phone for the past 48 hours calling the judges and offering them all-expenses paid trips to the Caribbean.
"There are things....that go on...that people don't need to know."
good points
i don't see any way they can justify having dex or wolf out the top three
my top three would be
1. dex
2. wolf
3. victor
it will never happen though
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OMG, well done!! ;D
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Nice post Ed, and a lot of work put into it as usual. As with all conspiracies, there is an element of truth and untruth to it and I'm not so sure.
Has any judge or former judge ever broken the silence and explained exactly what it is they discuss at the judges meeting?
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Since when is a guy so smooth and soft deemed so much better than his competition that the competition is unworthy of a single callout? If anything, Cutler is the one who is unworthy of the comparison.
(http://www.mr-olympia.eu/callouts/img/lide/24/8.jpg)(http://www.mr-olympia.eu/callouts/img/lide/01/8.jpg)
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they knew if they put jay next to wolf
wolf would own him
they don't want the audience to se that
its another gunter situation
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Wolf shoulda jumped outta line and challenged Jay!!! Fuck all this callout BS. That would made the whole show worth watching.
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shut the fuck you up idiot none of that is going on. what a retard.
Why is your diabetic ass still here?
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Does anybody have Steve Weinberger's cell/personal e-mail? :D
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Good job as always Ed.
Cutler looks completely horrible.
I can't wait to hear how this one is explained to all of us "uninformed" fans.
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Nice post Ed, and a lot of work put into it as usual. As with all conspiracies, there is an element of truth and untruth to it and I'm not so sure.
Has any judge or former judge ever broken the silence and explained exactly what it is they discuss at the judges meeting?
Former IFBB Boss Wayne DeMilia has confirmed all the backroom shenanigans to me. It's nothing I didn't already know. Basically, all the perks and benefits that the judges by keeping a reigning Mr. O in office. I think every single judge is either a contest promoter or has an interest in a supplement company. The deals made are Free Mr. O Guest Posings at their show or shows (which not only saves them $5000, but significantly boosts their bottom line), endorsement of their products, or special "friendship" benefits.
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Wolf shoulda jumped outta line and challenged Jay!!! Fuck all this callout BS. That would made the whole show worth watching.
great post special ed- and yes, i agree with u disgusted - that would be worth watching
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shut the fuck you up idiot none of that is going on. what a retard.
Hahahaha, Racer X is back. Seriously, dude, you need to go away forever.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=171464.0;attach=199011;image)
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Wolf shoulda jumped outta line and challenged Jay!!! Fuck all this callout BS. That would made the whole show worth watching.
Thats a pretty good idea.......to be kicked out of the show :D just kidding
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Former IFBB Boss Wayne DeMilia has confirmed all the backroom shenanigans to me. It's nothing I didn't already know. Basically, all the perks and benefits that the judges by keeping a reigning Mr. O in office. I think every single judge is either a contest promoter or has an interest in a supplement company. The deals made are Free Mr. O Guest Posings at their show or shows (which not only saves them $5000, but significantly boosts their bottom line), endorsement of their products, or special "friendship" benefits.
Oh brother. I've been seriously naive about this. I thought there was some level of fair play. Hahahah, what a tool I was. ;D
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Interesting. In those pics you posted, Wolf beats Cutler on every body part except calves. :o
Yyyyup. High calves will fuck up everything. Draws the eye, negates the rest of a great physique.
TNBT
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TOP TEN WAYS THEY FIX THE OLYMPIA
1. Call a judges meeting the day before the show to strategize how they will justify Cutler winning.
2. Flex photographers take contest photos of Cutler filling the frame - everyone else is shot differently with less zoom. That way, when people compare photos, Cutler looks bigger and more detailed in each one, even though we know otherwise. Exhibit A:
(http://www.mr-olympia.eu/callouts/img/lide/24/7.jpg)(http://www.mr-olympia.eu/callouts/img/lide/01/7.jpg)
Exhibit B:
(http://www.mr-olympia.eu/callouts/img/lide/24/2.jpg)(http://www.mr-olympia.eu/callouts/img/lide/01/2.jpg)
3. Judges agree not to not call out Cutler against Wolfe. Instead we get Cutler v. Will Harris.
4. Judges try to make us think this is 2006 all over again with pointless Cutler-Coleman comparisons, as if either guy is worth calling out in the first round.
5. Dishonest publications do a sudden about-face from last year and decide that size is more important than conditioning. None of them explain how Ruhl still fails to make top 10.
6. Flex Magazine reports that the show is between Cutler and Martinez, describing Jay as "clearly the biggest competitor among the upper echelon competitors" -- whatever the fuck that means!
7. All of the so-called "writers" report their "predictions" during the show instead of a fair description of the total mockery we are witnessing. Only Lift Studios has the cojones to report that the show should be between Victor and Dexter.
8. Photographer assistants are already reviewing photos to find ones where Cutler is fully into pose and Victor and Dexter are not.
9. Judges change scorecards with calculators to figure out how to set stage for Jay's "come-from-behind" victory.
10. Judges tell Victor the contest "is all yours" on Friday night, so he can relax enough to allow Jay to "sharpen up" enough to win on Saturday. Just watch.
In fact, the only thing weighing in Victor's favor is his close relationship with head judge Steve Weinberger and Steve's wife and fellow judge Bev Francis. This may come down to a behind-the-scenes battle between the judges and their lobbying of other judges.
And of course, MHP's (Vic's sponsor) Gerard Dente has probably been on the phone for the past 48 hours calling the judges and offering them all-expenses paid trips to the Caribbean.
"There are things....that go on...that people don't need to know."
FUCK YEAH, coudnt said it better myself, im glad we have some realistic people in the bb scene.
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Yyyyup. High calves will fuck up everything. Draws the eye, negates the rest of a great physique.
TNBT
ha ha, your back's huge!
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Last year....Wolf was getting the shaft.
I think Wolf (even last year) is the new dog on the block. He's the up & comer. He's got a couple of weak spots...but is going to rule the roost for the next couple.
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ha ha, your back's huge!
Yeah, and that relates to this thread how? ???
Besides, I'd sooner have a pic of my own mediocre back as my avatar, than a homoerotic pic of Christ-knows-who.
TNBT :-*
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Former IFBB Boss Wayne DeMilia has confirmed all the backroom shenanigans to me. It's nothing I didn't already know. Basically, all the perks and benefits that the judges by keeping a reigning Mr. O in office. I think every single judge is either a contest promoter or has an interest in a supplement company. The deals made are Free Mr. O Guest Posings at their show or shows (which not only saves them $5000, but significantly boosts their bottom line), endorsement of their products, or special "friendship" benefits.
Be careful bro. You might a an unexpected visit. :o ;D
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Former IFBB Boss Wayne DeMilia has confirmed all the backroom shenanigans to me. It's nothing I didn't already know. Basically, all the perks and benefits that the judges by keeping a reigning Mr. O in office. I think every single judge is either a contest promoter or has an interest in a supplement company. The deals made are Free Mr. O Guest Posings at their show or shows (which not only saves them $5000, but significantly boosts their bottom line), endorsement of their products, or special "friendship" benefits.
you are so full shit the sewers are getting jealous. Either that or Wayne is talking some real shit.
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At least we can console ourselves with the fact that the Mr GetBig has transparent judging... (well, just don't ask Adonis to confirm that).
And judging by the rate the prize money is growing for the Mr GetBig... in five years it will probably be a bigger show than the Olympia anyway.
The Luke
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Be careful bro. You might a an unexpected visit. :o ;D
That would be awesome! Hopefully, I'll have something in the fridge for them.
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That would be awesome! Hopefully, I'll have something in the fridge for them.
Take a tip from Sean, maybe they would like iced tea like the DEA did. ;D
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you are so full shit the sewers are getting jealous. Either that or Wayne is talking some real shit.
Please
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PowerRod, how ya like my legs?
<<<<<<<
TNBT
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PowerRod, how ya like my legs?
<<<<<<<
TNBT
That sounds kinda gay bro. :-X
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That sounds kinda gay bro. :-X
Yeah, well my asspipe isn't in shot! ;D
Rod had a swipe at my back, so I thought I'd point out that my legs are way better.
TNBT
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This lump almost looks like oil.
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Your legs make you look like a fat woman in heels, at least in that pic.
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Yeah, well my asspipe isn't in shot! ;D
TNBT
You gotta point there, thank God. ;D
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Since when is a guy so smooth and soft deemed so much better than his competition that the competition is unworthy of a single callout? If anything, Cutler is the one who is unworthy of the comparison.
(http://www.mr-olympia.eu/callouts/img/lide/24/8.jpg)(http://www.mr-olympia.eu/callouts/img/lide/01/8.jpg)
Sadly, it has nothing to do with bodybuilding........it's all about business.
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you are so full shit the sewers are getting jealous. Either that or Wayne is talking some real shit.
You don't what goes on up there. These guys have an interesting point, your the retard that thinks the judges are innocent. Everybody on getbig knows Wolf deserves number one spot and everybody also knows that at best he'll be in fifth. How this happens, I don't know, but when someone gets screwed, it has to be in someones best interest.
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Special Ed, there's persistent rumors about Victor being a rat working for the feds. What do you know about this? Could this factor in in how he is placed?
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Your legs make you look like a fat woman in heels, at least in that pic.
Let's see yours.
TNBT
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Special Ed, there's persistent rumors about Victor being a rat forking for the feds. What do you know about this? Could this factor in in how he is placed?
Interesting. And you know Steve and Bev's gym was in trouble with them a little while ago, too. I haven't been able to understand how Victor's been allowed to do so well considering his criminal activity in the past in this day and age, but that theory makes alot of sense. I mean, the Arnold was his before he even stepped onstage it seemed.
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You don't what goes on up there. These guys have an interesting point, your the retard that thinks the judges are innocent. Everybody on getbig knows Wolf deserves number one spot and everybody also knows that at best he'll be in fifth. How this happens, I don't know, but when someone gets screwed, it has to be in someones best interest.
even people who arent judges but expert in teh sport are calling it different than these fags. i guess everyone is in n some huge conspiracy right? now that is what is retarded.
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Wolf shoulda jumped outta line and challenged Jay!!! Fuck all this callout BS. That would made the whole show worth watching.
LOL, now that would of been funny
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What kind of world do live in slin, I wanna move there, sounds nice ;D
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If the winner the Olympia is the one with the best back Jay is not even close. Very soft
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If the winner the Olympia is the one with the best back Jay is not even close. Very soft
Dexter and Victor destroyed him. The ONLY thing Jay has is calves.
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shut the fuck you up idiot none of that is going on. what a retard.
:o
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Slin, you seem to have a lot of nervous energy on board.
You oughta take up bodybuilding.
TNBT
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special ed,
since you are in the know, or at least claim to be, for how much of ronnie' reign has this top 10 list been utilized?
TOP TEN WAYS THEY FIX THE OLYMPIA
1. Call a judges meeting the day before the show to strategize how they will justify Cutler winning.
2. Flex photographers take contest photos of Cutler filling the frame - everyone else is shot differently with less zoom. That way, when people compare photos, Cutler looks bigger and more detailed in each one, even though we know otherwise. Exhibit A:
(http://www.mr-olympia.eu/callouts/img/lide/24/7.jpg)(http://www.mr-olympia.eu/callouts/img/lide/01/7.jpg)
Exhibit B:
(http://www.mr-olympia.eu/callouts/img/lide/24/2.jpg)(http://www.mr-olympia.eu/callouts/img/lide/01/2.jpg)
3. Judges agree not to not call out Cutler against Wolfe. Instead we get Cutler v. Will Harris.
4. Judges try to make us think this is 2006 all over again with pointless Cutler-Coleman comparisons, as if either guy is worth calling out in the first round.
5. Dishonest publications do a sudden about-face from last year and decide that size is more important than conditioning. None of them explain how Ruhl still fails to make top 10.
6. Flex Magazine reports that the show is between Cutler and Martinez, describing Jay as "clearly the biggest competitor among the upper echelon competitors" -- whatever the fuck that means!
7. All of the so-called "writers" report their "predictions" during the show instead of a fair description of the total mockery we are witnessing. Only Lift Studios has the cojones to report that the show should be between Victor and Dexter.
8. Photographer assistants are already reviewing photos to find ones where Cutler is fully into pose and Victor and Dexter are not.
9. Judges change scorecards with calculators to figure out how to set stage for Jay's "come-from-behind" victory.
10. Judges tell Victor the contest "is all yours" on Friday night, so he can relax enough to allow Jay to "sharpen up" enough to win on Saturday. Just watch.
In fact, the only thing weighing in Victor's favor is his close relationship with head judge Steve Weinberger and Steve's wife and fellow judge Bev Francis. This may come down to a behind-the-scenes battle between the judges and their lobbying of other judges.
And of course, MHP's (Vic's sponsor) Gerard Dente has probably been on the phone for the past 48 hours calling the judges and offering them all-expenses paid trips to the Caribbean.
"There are things....that go on...that people don't need to know."
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Yeah, and that relates to this thread how? ???
Besides, I'd sooner have a pic of my own mediocre back as my avatar, than a homoerotic pic of Christ-knows-who.
TNBT :-*
You're a homo either way, HOMOSEXUAL.
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Christ, what an honour it is to have Stephen Hawking among us.
I didn't know you were a skinhead, Stephen.
How did we get onto me being a homo erectus anyway?
Not that I am. I dunno how that rubber man got into my closet.
That's a thing, seems to be an American phenomenon. Guys putting down everything as 'gay'.
Look at YouTube. Someone doesn't like a video, it's gay. A BBer is soooooo gay. A guy showing off his car is gaaaaaaay. Comics who poke fun at gays are gaaaaaaaay.
Get a thesaurus, you fuckin' chimps, ya hear me?
It's usually teenagers and adolescents who do it, which I guess is understandable. No social skills, little vocab.
However, Haider (hater, right?) if you are older than twenty, you're a lost cause with your macho horseshit.
Mwah!
TNBT
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Ed-
I agree with you, whether you're being facetious or not. However, one question still remains in my mind after all these years of thinking about fixed contests and other goings on that seem to take place....
What do the judges, the Weiders, or anybody else, have to gain (or lose) by keeping the same guy on the throne? Money? Better marketing/ads in the mags?
I still have yet to hear or read a good reason for the dynasties we continuously see in the BBing world.
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Christ, what an honour it is to have Stephen Hawking among us.
I didn't know you were a skinhead, Stephen.
How did we get onto me being a homo erectus anyway?
Not that I am. I dunno how that rubber man got into my closet.
That's a thing, seems to be an American phenomenon. Guys putting down everything as 'gay'.
Look at YouTube. Someone doesn't like a video, it's gay. A BBer is soooooo gay. A guy showing off his car is gaaaaaaay. Comics who poke fun at gays are gaaaaaaaay.
Get a thesaurus, you fuckin' chimps, ya hear me?
It's usually teenagers and adolescents who do it, which I guess is understandable. No social skills, little vocab.
However, Haider (hater, right?) if you are older than twenty, you're a lost cause with your macho horseshit.
Mwah!
TNBT
Gayer then a hostage standoff in a mens dormitory.
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Regardless of what it is, Wolfe should've won the Sandow tonite, and he won't.
He's getting Teh Shaft.
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Master Blaster... Don't forget that I've seen your face in a previous avatar.
I recognised that same classic, thin-lipped, specky, chubby-pervert face in a pic I found just yesterday.
Observe the four-eyed circus gimp right-of-centre in the pool, pointing skyward like that annoying fuckin' midget in Fantasy Island.
De plane! De plaaaane!
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i275/AndyPix/PooftersinthePool.jpg)
TNBT ;D
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Christ, what an honour it is to have Stephen Hawking among us.
I didn't know you were a skinhead, Stephen.
How did we get onto me being a homo erectus anyway?
Not that I am. I dunno how that rubber man got into my closet.
That's a thing, seems to be an American phenomenon. Guys putting down everything as 'gay'.
Look at YouTube. Someone doesn't like a video, it's gay. A BBer is soooooo gay. A guy showing off his car is gaaaaaaay. Comics who poke fun at gays are gaaaaaaaay.
Get a thesaurus, you fuckin' chimps, ya hear me?
It's usually teenagers and adolescents who do it, which I guess is understandable. No social skills, little vocab.
However, Haider (hater, right?) if you are older than twenty, you're a lost cause with your macho horseshit.
Mwah!
TNBT
hahahahah angry homo MELTDOWN!
We're jsut messing with you dumbfvck! ;D
::)
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Yeah, well I did get a little defensive then, didn't I?
Maybe I am a poofter :o
Hey if you say you're just pulling my chain, that's cool.
TNBT
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Yeah, well I did get a little defensive then, didn't I?
Maybe I am a poofter :o
Hey if you say you're just pulling my chain, that's cool.
TNBT
n00b.
too easy with these noobs ;D
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(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i275/AndyPix/PooftersinthePool.jpg)
If you look closely enough, you can see MisterMagoo doing an oreo cookie between two papa bears :-X
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TOP TEN WAYS THEY FIX THE OLYMPIA
2. Flex photographers take contest photos of Cutler filling the frame - everyone else is shot differently with less zoom. That way, when people compare photos, Cutler looks bigger and more detailed in each one, even though we know otherwise. Exhibit A:
(http://www.mr-olympia.eu/callouts/img/lide/24/7.jpg)(http://www.mr-olympia.eu/callouts/img/lide/01/7.jpg)
competitors" -- whatever the fuck that means!
Hahaha...are you kidding me?? Why don't you take another look at our Flexonline photos and realize that almost everyone is shot the same (though you conveniently went through to find 2 that weren't)...except the guys that are really TALL, where the frame needs to be a little smaller to get their entire heights etc.-especially during ab and thigh poses. We just want the sport to do well and to grow...we have no interest in deciding who should be Mr Olympia or not. As far as everyone at FLEX is concerned...the man who has the best physique should be Mr Olympia regardless of affiliation or sponsorship. All this conspiracy crap is hilarious...believe me, we have absolutely no say in the winner of contests...that is totally up to then judges at each show. (and personally, I don't even know the judges and they don't know me, so they really don't know or care what I may think)
Everyone online was giving their opinions about who they thought would win during the contest, why is it so earth shattering that some of the writers did it as well?
...I guess it gives you something to do, and it is entertaining...funniest list you've had in a while Special Ed LOL
C
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shut the fuck you up idiot none of that is going on. what a retard.
But wait, I thought you knew all about bodybuilding?
Dude, if you don't think that show was fixed, you're more delusional than your pictures. Jay shouldn't have even been in the top 5 let alone win. You have alot to learn junour!
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Hahaha...are you kidding me?? Why don't you take another look at our Flexonline photos and realize that almost everyone is shot the same (though you conveniently went through to find 2 that weren't)...except the guys that are really TALL, where the frame needs to be a little smaller to get their entire heights etc.-especially during ab and thigh poses. We just want the sport to do well and to grow...we have no interest in deciding who should be Mr Olympia or not. As far as everyone at FLEX is concerned...the man who has the best physique should be Mr Olympia regardless of affiliation or sponsorship. All this conspiracy crap is hilarious...believe me, we have absolutely no say in the winner of contests...that is totally up to then judges at each show. (and personally, I don't even know the judges and they don't know me, so they really don't know or care what I may think)
Everyone online was giving their opinions about who they thought would win during the contest, why is it so earth shattering that some of the writers did it as well?
...I guess it gives you something to do, and it is entertaining...funniest list you've had in a while Special Ed LOL
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You (personally) might not have gained anything either way. But it is reasonable to assume it was fixed. I know for sure that the WSM is fixed.
And it is, afterall, a I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine, world. In any line of business.
Either way, imo, Jay had no right being in the top 10. Size notwitstanding. He was fat and smooth, plain and simple.
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cutler's showing this year was terrible. either dex or wolf clearly won the show. coleman was in better shape as well
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You (personally) might not have gained anything either way. But it is reasonable to assume it was fixed. I know for sure that the WSM is fixed.
And it is, afterall, a I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine, world. In any line of business.
Either way, imo, Jay had no right being in the top 10. Size notwitstanding. He was fat and smooth, plain and simple.
I totally agree. He hasn't looked so bad since maybe the 99 Olympia. Dude was clearly embarrassed. he knows he shouldn't have won- that is why he said next year is his final O. He should have called it quits after this year's. He must know that gifts eventually stop being given
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Yyyyup. High calves will fuck up everything. Draws the eye, negates the rest of a great physique.
TNBT
example: Ronnie Coleman
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If you look closely enough, you can see MisterMagoo doing an oreo cookie between two papa bears :-X
I think i see onlyme somewhere in there too
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Hahaha...are you kidding me?? Why don't you take another look at our Flexonline photos and realize that almost everyone is shot the same (though you conveniently went through to find 2 that weren't)...except the guys that are really TALL, where the frame needs to be a little smaller to get their entire heights etc.-especially during ab and thigh poses. We just want the sport to do well and to grow...we have no interest in deciding who should be Mr Olympia or not. As far as everyone at FLEX is concerned...the man who has the best physique should be Mr Olympia regardless of affiliation or sponsorship. All this conspiracy crap is hilarious...believe me, we have absolutely no say in the winner of contests...that is totally up to then judges at each show. (and personally, I don't even know the judges and they don't know me, so they really don't know or care what I may think)
Everyone online was giving their opinions about who they thought would win during the contest, why is it so earth shattering that some of the writers did it as well?
...I guess it gives you something to do, and it is entertaining...funniest list you've had in a while Special Ed LOL
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C'mon dude, get real. If Victor, Dexter or Wolf, all of who SMOKED Jay, would have won the O, Flex magazine doesn't get hurt given that Jay is sponsored by AMI who owns Flex and the other 3 are all sponsored by MD, the mag Flex and McGoo hate the most in the industry? A company that has athletes under contract for sponsorships should not be promoting any event where those athletes are competing. It's a joke, like the rest of the sport after the travesty that is otherwise known as the 2007 Olympia. Jay is a paper champion, bought by Muscletech and AMI.
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i would be funny if it wasn't true.............
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you are so full shit the sewers are getting jealous. Either that or Wayne is talking some real shit.
Wayne is right. And we were told the night before why Cutler would win. And if everyone knew why he won then you would understand. And no I will not say.
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Hahaha...are you kidding me?? Why don't you take another look at our Flexonline photos and realize that almost everyone is shot the same (though you conveniently went through to find 2 that weren't)...except the guys that are really TALL, where the frame needs to be a little smaller to get their entire heights etc.-especially during ab and thigh poses. We just want the sport to do well and to grow...we have no interest in deciding who should be Mr Olympia or not. As far as everyone at FLEX is concerned...the man who has the best physique should be Mr Olympia regardless of affiliation or sponsorship. All this conspiracy crap is hilarious...believe me, we have absolutely no say in the winner of contests...that is totally up to then judges at each show. (and personally, I don't even know the judges and they don't know me, so they really don't know or care what I may think)
Everyone online was giving their opinions about who they thought would win during the contest, why is it so earth shattering that some of the writers did it as well?
...I guess it gives you something to do, and it is entertaining...funniest list you've had in a while Special Ed LOL
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Wait hang on a second. You're telling me that something that is 73 inches of height needs THAT much more camara space than something that is 69 inches of height?
No really really, that is what you are saying?
Yes please keep talking we value your opinion here.
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2. Flex photographers take contest photos of Cutler filling the frame - everyone else is shot differently with less zoom. That way, when people compare photos, Cutler looks bigger and more detailed in each one, even though we know otherwise.
The photographers are just there to shoot. I highly doubt they'd be involved in any conspiracy.
Now, when the photo editors get involved...
10. Judges tell Victor the contest "is all yours" on Friday night, so he can relax enough to allow Jay to "sharpen up" enough to win on Saturday.
Why is that conversation happening at all?
I just shake my head every time a competitor comes up after the prejudging and says, "Judge ___ told me I've got it" or "Judge ___ said it's between me and #32".
That should NEVER happen and the fact that it happens so often is something that someone - besides Special Ed - needs to have the balls to say "That's wrong."
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the fix is in every year for the olympia it appears. variation on a theme lol
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greatest thread ever
make this a sticky
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Guys we just need to accept that Jay was the better bodybuilder that night. Dude was shredded wheat.
This wonderful picture courtesy of FLEX proves it.
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LOL! Yeah, cut 2 tha bone!
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TOP TEN WAYS THEY FIX THE OLYMPIA
2. Flex photographers take contest photos of Cutler filling the frame - everyone else is shot differently with less zoom. That way, when people compare photos, Cutler looks bigger and more detailed in each one, even though we know otherwise.
8. Photographer assistants are already reviewing photos to find ones where Cutler is fully into pose and Victor and Dexter are not.
"There are things....that go on...that people don't need to know."
In answer to No.2. No conspiracy. I had a 70-200 lens on the camera that was too short and a 300 that was too long. By the time I could find a 1.4 converter in my bag to add to the 70-200 I already shot Dennis and David Henry.
As for 8. all the shots that were taken were put up. No editing. With the recent change to the judging of the first round now being a short routine rather than just the compulsories, some of the guys don't hlt the poses long enough. Some also don't hit all the compulsories - David Henry is an example, he didn't hit a side chest. I'd prefer it if things had been left as they were!
With the norm now being to call out 5 guys in a comparison it's impossible to get a shot of them hitting it at the same time. Again I'd prefer to go back to the days of 3 guys each comparison.
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In answer to No.2. No conspiracy. I had a 70-200 lens on the camera that was too short and a 300 that was too long. By the time I could find a 1.4 converter in my bag to add to the 70-200 I already shot Dennis and David Henry.
As for 8. all the shots that were taken were put up. No editing. With the recent change to the judging of the first round now being a short routine rather than just the compulsories, some of the guys don't hlt the poses long enough. Some also don't hit all the compulsories - David Henry is an example, he didn't hit a side chest. I'd prefer it if things had been left as they were!
With the norm now being to call out 5 guys in a comparison it's impossible to get a shot of them hitting it at the same time. Again I'd prefer to go back to the days of 3 guys each comparison.
Pay attention kids - this is coming from the "most famous photographer in Russia". (True story)
Those damn photographers are in on the conspiracy!
I blame Horton for cutting his hair off earlier in the year. ;)
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Pay attention kids - this is coming from the "most famous photographer in Russia". (True story)
Those damn photographers are in on the conspiracy!
I blame Horton for cutting his hair off earlier in the year. ;)
Yes, as always it's all my fault.
Did anyone notice that you can now see the individual judges scoring from the show http://www.ifbbpro.com/results/2007-olympia/
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Yes, as always it's all my fault.
Did anyone notice that you can now see the individual judges scoring from the show http://www.ifbbpro.com/results/2007-olympia/
I did notice that and note former Mr. Olympia Dorian Yates' scores. :-X
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I did notice that and note former Mr. Olympia Dorian Yates' scores. :-X
His judging will find approval from Victor's fans but not Wolf's :-)
Can't win them all
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Thanks to whomever revived this thread. I appreciate Kevin Horton's intelligent reply and I accept his explanation.
In the original post, I mentioned how (certain) judges use their calculators to figure out exactly how many points someone needs to "win".
I have seen this with my own eyes, most noticeably at the 2003 NOC where I sat in the front row immediately behind the judges and witnessed a senior judge altering the scorecard of a fellow judge to achieve the desired results -- in that case, probably to make sure that a dumpy-looking but connected Titus beat the out-of-favor Kamali.
If you think it doesn't go on, you're a simpleton. The joke is that everyone in the know ALREADY KNOWS THIS. We joke about it. They just don't want to risk their gig. Which I completely understand.
Because the only certain formula in Pro Bodybuilding is: Income/Status>Integrity
That's why Cutler is the 2007 Mr. Olympia...why Bodybuilders endorse Supplements they don't use...and why no one in the Industry will come out and say it.
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you are wrong ED, Madmax said that Jay won easily
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you are wrong ED, Madmax said that Jay won easily
I met MadMax, and he seems like a great guy. I have no problem with someone being loyal to their good friend and business partner. Dave does not judge the shows and no blame rests with him. Telling a good friend he deserved to win is no different than telling your girl she DOES NOT LOOK FAT IN THOSE JEANS.
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Note Steve Weinberger's Round 4 (Posedown) Scorecard. He somehow gave Cutler straight ONES on Day One when Cutler looked like utter crap. Then he gives Cutler another undeserving ONE in the posing round. Then, mysteriously, he gives Cutler a THREE (third place) in the Posedown. Do you think for a single iota of a second that he does that unless he knows that it's already in the bag?
Looking at the IFBB official site Steve gave Jay 1st place in all rounds. Only Yates placed Jay 3rd in the posedown.
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Looking at the IFBB official site Steve gave Jay 1st place in all rounds. Only Yates placed Jay 3rd in the posedown.
I stand corrected. I'll retract my incorrect statements.
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I met MadMax, and he seems like a great guy. I have no problem with someone being loyal to their good friend and business partner. Dave does not judge the shows and no blame rests with him. Telling a good friend he deserved to win is no different than telling your girl she DOES NOT LOOK FAT IN THOSE JEANS.
Good analogy. I still don't understand why people give Max all the grief - jealousy?
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I stand corrected. I'll retract my incorrect statements.
You'll be swimming with the fishes after accusing Steve of judge tampering.
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You'll be swimming with the fishes after accusing Steve of judge tampering.
There will be no swimming involved. >:(
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=171586.0;attach=202157;image)
that isn't a real picture of Cutler from the O this year is it? If so, this year's O is the biggest joke in bodybuilding history. If a fat ass like that can win Mr O, bodybuilding is a total joke
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You'll be swimming with the fishes after accusing Steve of judge tampering.
Well, integrity aside, Steve and Bev certainly know how to put a gym together:
www.bevfrancis.com (http://www.bevfrancis.com)
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Well, integrity aside, Steve and Bev certainly know how to put a gym together:
www.bevfrancis.com (http://www.bevfrancis.com)
Lickety-lick... ::)
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Lickety-lick... ::)
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lol
Ed, your nose must be quite brown from that last kiss-ass post.
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lol
Ed, your nose must be quite brown from that last kiss-ass post.
Hey, when three goons from Lung Island show up unexpectedly at your door, ya do what u gotta do!
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Hey, when three goons from Lung Island show up unexpectedly at your door, ya do what u gotta do!
Yes, you shoot them through the door, then call the police claiming home-defence.
Sorry - defense, forgot where I was!
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I noticed that my computer is auto-downloading NO BULL RADIO and STEVE WEINBERGER happened to be on tonight.
Here's a memorable quote at 1:35:27: "Jay was not at his best. He wasn't as hard as he should have been. And Jay's body, if it's not right on, he will look a little funky. And honestly, if Jay didn't improve, I'm sure Victor probably would have won. [But] you're not just gonna come in and knock off Mr. Olympia by being just a tad better."
So, he acknowledged Victor was better, but he scored Cutler ahead of him. On Friday. When he just said that Jay was off. Things that make you go Hmmmm....
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I noticed that my computer is auto-downloading NO BULL RADIO and STEVE WEINBERGER happened to be on tonight.
Here's a memorable quote at 1:35:27: "Jay was not at his best. He wasn't as hard as he should have been. And Jay's body, if it's not right on, he will look a little funky. And honestly, if Jay didn't improve, I'm sure Victor probably would have won. [But] you're not just gonna come in and knock off Mr. Olympia by being just a tad better."
So, he acknowledged Victor was better, but he scored Cutler ahead of him. On Friday. When he just said that Jay was off. Things that make you go Hmmmm....
further evidence that pro bb is a total joke
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But at least there was an admission from Steve that Victor was better.
This has to provide at least some small measure of vindication for the fans of Victor and more importantly, for fans of the sport, in general.
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[But] you're not just gonna come in and knock off Mr. Olympia by being just a tad better."
Doesn't that mean Ronnie won last year?
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Cutler did not deserve to be at the top but we all knew that once he was the reigning Mr. O, the same crap as always would continue.
Wolf wasn't at his best but he was still MUCH better than Cutler.
Who's the worst here? Cutler has two diff. size legs, a SUPER wide waist, so-so biceps and so-so conditioning. Wolf's only problem was his calves and a lack of back hardness.
(http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/~photos/781/Men/781mp0002.jpg)
(http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/~photos/781/Men/781mp0122.jpg)
(http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/~photos/781/Men/781mp0424.jpg)
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Yes, as always it's all my fault.
Did anyone notice that you can now see the individual judges scoring from the show http://www.ifbbpro.com/results/2007-olympia/
Thanks for the link....so how did Jay get better scores than Dexter in the symmetry round?!
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Great post.... Its definitely fixed to a point I dont think anyone can deny that there is so much crap in the judging process that has plagued the legitimacy of competing for decades. There is some room for people to move but not between who they already know to be in the top spot. Dexter looked better than he ever had but this is bodybuilding so him against Dennis is a no brainer. Victor had pretty much everything. Like my opinion means squat but I would have had it Wolf, Martinez, Jackson, Cutler, Samuel, Anthony, Coleman but as I said thats just my opinion. Wolf just impressed the hell out of me.
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Great post.... Its definitely fixed to a point I dont think anyone can deny that there is so much crap in the judging process that has plagued the legitimacy of competing for decades. There is some room for people to move but not between who they already know to be in the top spot. Dexter looked better than he ever had but this is bodybuilding so him against Dennis is a no brainer. Victor had pretty much everything. Like my opinion means squat but I would have had it Wolf, Martinez, Jackson, Cutler, Samuel, Anthony, Coleman but as I said thats just my opinion. Wolf just impressed the hell out of me.
Hey Dave,
So long as your top 3 were Wolf, Martinez & Jackson in any order, I've got no complaints. U think Branch would have cracked the top 10?