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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Palumboism on June 12, 2022, 11:18:25 AM
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Dorian doesn't agree with Getbig or Bob Chick on who should have won the 1980 Olympia. :D
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Dorian must not have heard there was no controversy, CBS ran out of tape and couldn't air the show.
Plus Dorain hates Arnold for saying he was taking bb in the wrong direction.
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Lmfao!
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Getbig has no love for Arnold
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Dorian is one of very few males in the world that would make Arnold feel like a beta male. He knows it and thats why he avoids him.
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He's right about everything. Arnold was extremly ego driven and did anything to gain popularity and power. We saw in politics he didn't really have an ideological framework he basically did what he thought would gain him popularity among people. Same through all his life. Heck he even married a presidents relative just to get on his path to become "a great powerful leader" as he said he admired in Pumping Iron.
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He's right about everything. Arnold was extremly ego driven and did anything to gain popularity and power. We saw in politics he didn't really have an ideological framework he basically did what he thought would gain him popularity among people. Same through all his life. Heck he even married a presidents relative just to get on his path to become "a great powerful leader" as he said he admired in Pumping Iron.
Except the part where he said everyone agrees Arnold should not have won the 1980 Mr. Olympia. Photos show that he was still the best onstage, even at the lighter weight.
Look at Arnold's pecs compared to Mentzer. Arnold beat Mentzer fair and square in 1980. I don't like Arnold anymore as he has exposed himself as a RINO. But he deserved the 1980 win.
(https://www.trulyhuge.com/1980-mr-olympia.jpg)
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Mentzer looks small here compared to Arnold. Look at the arm size difference!
(https://www.builtreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/1980-mr-olympia-089.jpg)
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He's right about everything. Arnold was extremly ego driven and did anything to gain popularity and power. We saw in politics he didn't really have an ideological framework he basically did what he thought would gain him popularity among people. Same through all his life. Heck he even married a presidents relative just to get on his path to become "a great powerful leader" as he said he admired in Pumping Iron.
he's wrong about the rivalry. Mentzer couldn't hold arnolds posing trunks
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Arnold is a clever rat while Dorian is intelligent and straight forward.
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I appreciate the way Dorian conducts himself. Very honest, straight forward but not given to exaggeration or gossip.
Even here its obvious he doesn't care for Arnold but doesn't resort to insults.
Its funny in a way that all those years later Mentzer was still paranoid about Arnold.
Oddly I always felt that Arnold more closely resembled Rand's ideal man than Mentzer. Objectivism was her philosophy but rational self interest was a part of that. In Atlas Shrugged one of tge main quotes that illustrates her philosophy was "I will never live for the sake of another man, or ask another man to live for the sake of me."
For Mike it was deeply important to him that other people believed in HIT it was deeply important that other people think he should've won the 80 olympia. Other people's thoughts and opinions were too important to Mike.. Unlike Howard Roark in the fountainhead who continued to create his ideal of architecture despite what the critics thought. Mike melted down when criticized , placed poorly. It was important to prove his point. And when he couldn't he had a mental breakdown.
While Arnold had always lived for the sake of himself. Always goal oriented to his own success and it served him well. Arnold was always too much of a politician to be considered an obectivist but achievement for his own sake and ego were Arnolds strengths and were concepts at the core of many of Rands teachings.
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I appreciate the way Dorian conducts himself. Very honest, straight forward but not given to exaggeration or gossip.
Even here its obvious he doesn't care for Arnold but doesn't resort to insults.
Its funny in a way that all those years later Mentzer was still paranoid about Arnold.
Oddly I always felt that Arnold more closely resembled Rand's ideal man than Mentzer. Objectivism was her philosophy but rational self interest was a part of that. In Atlas Shrugged one of tge main quotes that illustrates her philosophy was "I will never live for the sake of another man, or ask another man to live for the sake of me."
For Mike it was deeply important to him that other people believed in HIT it was deeply important that other people think he should've won the 80 olympia. Other people's thoughts and opinions were too important to Mike.. Unlike Howard Roark in the fountainhead who continued to create his ideal of architecture despite what the critics thought. Mike melted down when criticized , placed poorly. It was important to prove his point. And when he couldn't he had a mental breakdown.
While Arnold had always lived for the sake of himself. Always goal oriented to his own success and it served him well. Arnold was always too much of a politician to be considered an obectivist but achievement for his own sake and ego were Arnolds strengths and were concepts at the core of many of Rands teachings.
Succinctly put.
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I appreciate the way Dorian conducts himself. Very honest, straight forward but not given to exaggeration or gossip.
Even here its obvious he doesn't care for Arnold but doesn't resort to insults.
Its funny in a way that all those years later Mentzer was still paranoid about Arnold.
Oddly I always felt that Arnold more closely resembled Rand's ideal man than Mentzer. Objectivism was her philosophy but rational self interest was a part of that. In Atlas Shrugged one of tge main quotes that illustrates her philosophy was "I will never live for the sake of another man, or ask another man to live for the sake of me."
For Mike it was deeply important to him that other people believed in HIT it was deeply important that other people think he should've won the 80 olympia. Other people's thoughts and opinions were too important to Mike.. Unlike Howard Roark in the fountainhead who continued to create his ideal of architecture despite what the critics thought. Mike melted down when criticized , placed poorly. It was important to prove his point. And when he couldn't he had a mental breakdown.
While Arnold had always lived for the sake of himself. Always goal oriented to his own success and it served him well. Arnold was always too much of a politician to be considered an obectivist but achievement for his own sake and ego were Arnolds strengths and were concepts at the core of many of Rands teachings.
You do know that Arnold started it right?
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He used to refer to Dorian as "This british guy" :D
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You do know that Arnold started it right?
Started what?
Btw Im not defending Arnold. I. Saying that ego was important in Rands philosophy. One shouldn't apologize for their ego and to be driven by it is a good thing according to Rand. Mentzer was a huge Rand fan but this aspect of her philosophy was lost on him.
Arnold is criticized for his selfishness. By Mentzer no less yet its closer to Rands ideal of what a man should be.
I just always found that to be peculiar.
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Mentzer looks small here compared to Arnold. Look at the arm size difference!
(https://www.builtreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/1980-mr-olympia-089.jpg)
Yeah he clearly wins in that shot as well.
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Mentzer looked great in solo shots and disappeared in lineups. Brutal and true!
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The whole controversy started when Arnold was being interviewed for Flex Magazine and he was commenting on ' modern ' bodybuilding , the style in which the guys dressed , gym clothes , and how the currently Mr Olympia competed only once a year and headed back to England and he never really promoted bodybuilding like he did , he didn't mention Dorian by name which was the rub.
Dorian was right in the sense Arnold wasn't really up on the sport , he flew in once a year to the Arnold Classic and then went back to his mansion. Someone said this years ago Arnold might've been pissed to because Dorian never competed in the Arnold Classic , in which he deemed a lesser contest , his focus was always on the Olympia which is why he never went to the WBF despite McMahon offering his well into the 6 figures.
As far as 1980 is concerned I think it may have been close but I don't see Mentzer winning at all , you can make a case for Arnold losing but Mike wasn't close, Reminds me of what Shawn Perine said on the subject 1980 was no where near as controversial as 1981. Was Arnold as good as he was in 73/74? No but he wasn't competing with that Arnold , I think he was good enough to win and if not to beat Mike
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Dorian is one of very few males in the world that would make Arnold feel like a beta male. He knows it and thats why he avoids him.
lol...
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lol...
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A'nold has always been the ultimate sellout with his artificially created persona. He's the founding father of the Austrian World Summit which is another globalist outlet.
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(http://www.usawa.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/ArnoldtheArmBlaster.jpg) :D
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/04/7a/a6/047aa68eb30c2e1c07034357f432aa8d.jpg)
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lol...
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Watching Greta with the machine, it was suddenly so clear. The terminator, would never stop. It would never leave her, and it would never hurt her, never shout at her, or get drunk and hit her, or say it was too busy to spend time with her. It would always be there. And it would die, to protect her. Of all the would-be fathers who came and went over the years, this thing, this machine, was the only one who measured up. In an insane world, it was the sanest choice.
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I thought everyone looked paticularly bad, smaller and smooth. Menzer wasn't a "clear" nothing.
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Watching Greta with the machine, it was suddenly so clear. The terminator, would never stop. It would never leave her, and it would never hurt her, never shout at her, or get drunk and hit her, or say it was too busy to spend time with her. It would always be there. And it would die, to protect her. Of all the would-be fathers who came and went over the years, this thing, this machine, was the only one who measured up. In an insane world, it was the sanest choice.
Lol. Good one 👍
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I thought everyone looked paticularly bad, smaller and smooth. Menzer wasn't a "clear" nothing.
Clearly you weren’t there nor do you know what you are talking about.
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I’m just surprised Platz wasn’t in the top 7. I think he had the 1981 Olympia.
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Dorian was on 10grams week.
Arnold prob quarter his doses
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Watching Greta with the machine, it was suddenly so clear. The terminator, would never stop. It would never leave her, and it would never hurt her, never shout at her, or get drunk and hit her, or say it was too busy to spend time with her. It would always be there. And it would die, to protect her. Of all the would-be fathers who came and went over the years, this thing, this machine, was the only one who measured up. In an insane world, it was the sanest choice.
your on fire bro
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Dorian beat Nasser with no arms in 1997
Tell Dorian to take his pills and resume his yoga
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Shawn Ray 96 Uncrowned Mr.O as well
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Arnold did EXACTLY what the judges(and Weiders) were saying they wanted to bring the sport mainstream. You have to remember Zane is the guy to knock out, champ 77-79 and he would be considered a bit thin for men's physique today. Bodybuilding was starting to go mainstream, the health club boom was happening, and Ben Weider was thinking of bodybuilding as an Olympic sport. They were pushing Zane physiques. Lou was smart to get out when he did.
Arnold at 6'2 could have easily come in much bigger. He was competing to win, not be the most jacked. The other competitors had a bit of a revolt and said fuck that skinny look. That's what the whole argument was about the weight classes. Arnold wanted the weight classes, so at the overall he'd be posing against the lighter weight class winner like he always did. The other guys, led by Mentzer, wanted him to stand against the big boys. The judges were put in a tough situation.
The 80 Olympia was like Leonard Duran 2. Leonard fought like a bitch, but that's what it took if he was to win. Arnold came in thin and aesthetic. And took the Sandow, and heard that lamentations of the women saying it was rigged.
Remember, THIS(guy on left at 195 lbs) is what the 79 judges said they want for Mr. O.
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I appreciate the way Dorian conducts himself. Very honest, straight forward but not given to exaggeration or gossip.
Even here its obvious he doesn't care for Arnold but doesn't resort to insults.
Its funny in a way that all those years later Mentzer was still paranoid about Arnold.
Oddly I always felt that Arnold more closely resembled Rand's ideal man than Mentzer. Objectivism was her philosophy but rational self interest was a part of that. In Atlas Shrugged one of tge main quotes that illustrates her philosophy was "I will never live for the sake of another man, or ask another man to live for the sake of me."
For Mike it was deeply important to him that other people believed in HIT it was deeply important that other people think he should've won the 80 olympia. Other people's thoughts and opinions were too important to Mike.. Unlike Howard Roark in the fountainhead who continued to create his ideal of architecture despite what the critics thought. Mike melted down when criticized , placed poorly. It was important to prove his point. And when he couldn't he had a mental breakdown.
While Arnold had always lived for the sake of himself. Always goal oriented to his own success and it served him well. Arnold was always too much of a politician to be considered an obectivist but achievement for his own sake and ego were Arnolds strengths and were concepts at the core of many of Rands teachings.
Arnold has none of the qualities of a John Galt. He is a craven degenerate drug addict who only knows how to ingratiate himself to people in power. He isn't a leader. This should be all the more obvious in recent times with his open shilling for political evil.
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(https://www.ambal.ru/72361402122.jpg)
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Let’s be honest, after about 3 years of training Yates had better legs and back than peak Arnold. I believe that Dorian is still an amateur here...
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^sick build there
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Dorian's weak point was his chest, while Arnold's strongest bodypart was his chest, the irony
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Arnold has none of the qualities of a John Galt. He is a craven degenerate drug addict who only knows how to ingratiate himself to people in power. He isn't a leader. This should be all the more obvious in recent times with his open shilling for political evil.
Who's John Galt?
Ha! Get it?
My main point is as it relates to selfishness and ego.
I don't see many that have Galts qualities. It'd be nice if there were though. The world needs a John Galt. At least the US does.
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1980 Arnold VS 1988 Dorian
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Mentzer doesn’t even have a chest or delts in that front shot. It was even written about how he flared his arms the whole time during the contest because he was insecure about being the narrowest guy in the lineup.
I like his physique, strong build when standing solo like Casey Viator but when you put him in a lineup the weak parts come out.
The contest was between Dickerson and Zane. Some outliers had Mentzer winning. Zane had injuries and was 182 or something and Dickerson still was not big enough. Weak lineup for an Olympia and Arnold jumped in. He didn’t need to be 100% to win it in that lineup. Ar old said he was 90%, Franco said 80% and I think Joe Good said 60% but an incomplete Arnold won and that’s why people were up in arms.
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(https://www.builtreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/roger-walker-009.jpg)
Roger Walker looked great in this show IMO. In that shot, his upper body looks on par with Arnold, but his lower body size blows Arnold away
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(https://www.builtreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/roger-walker-009.jpg)
Roger Walker looked great in this show IMO. In that shot, his upper body looks on par with Arnold, but his lower body size blows Arnold away
Arnold’s traps really came to his aid here. They definitely made him look bigger.
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Clearly you weren’t there nor do you know what you are talking about.
I forgot about your analysis. What was your CLEAR top 3?
If pics don't mean anthing, what the hell are we doing?
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Arnold’s traps really came to his aid here. They definitely made him look bigger.
Walker got a gift, since he had a bad case of gyno that showed when he flexed his chest. In 80 they marked down for Gyno. Not sure what happened in 81. Lol.
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Clearly you weren’t there nor do you know what you are talking about.
Yeah I’d like to hear more as well about the prejudging and how Arnold looked and top 3 of prejudging and then evening show.
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Arnold would sell his own mother for another 1,000.00 paycheck like he got at the Mr. O contest.
Pure filth...
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I have to reply. Arnold was not the Arnold we knew when he won in 1980. But he was still better than all the rest. PERIOD. And second For the 1980 contest Arnold won 20000.00 dollars not 1000.00. That's what they paid when he was first winning. And third and last Dorian was a great bodybuilder but in NO way does he compare to Arnold or most of the guys from the 70 or early 80s. Plus Dorian was "gifted " several of his titles. Bodybuilding is ( was) about tryi8ng to build the perfect male body. Big proportionate athletic looking and everything in balance. Dorian had no arm. Dorians look did NOT appeal to anyone but schmoes ( judges) and what has Dorian done since then? Movies? lmao Politician ? Lmao . Is he a millionaire? lmao Arnold may have turned on his fans and became a beta but there was a time when he was "the man".
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I have to reply. Arnold was not the Arnold we knew when he won in 1980. But he was still better than all the rest. PERIOD. And second For the 1980 contest Arnold won 20000.00 dollars not 1000.00. That's what they paid when he was first winning. And third and last Dorian was a great bodybuilder but in NO way does he compare to Arnold or most of the guys from the 70 or early 80s. Plus Dorian was "gifted " several of his titles. Bodybuilding is ( was) about tryi8ng to build the perfect male body. Big proportionate athletic looking and everything in balance. Dorian had no arm. Dorians look did NOT appeal to anyone but schmoes ( judges) and what has Dorian done since then? Movies? lmao Politician ? Lmao . Is he a millionaire? lmao Arnold may have turned on his fans and became a beta but there was a time when he was "the man".
Again...
1980 Mr Olympia VS 1988 British Amateur
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If the 1988 amateur version of Yates competed at the 1980 Olympia, Arnold would’ve been in big trouble
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Arnold 80’ VS Yates 88’
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Brutal if true
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In all fairness Dorian was on a totally different drug protocal, I'd like to see how big Dorian could get only taking what Arnold took
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In all fairness Dorian was on a totally different drug protocal, I'd like to see how big Dorian could get only taking what Arnold took
As an amateur I can’t imagine that Dorian was on much more than Arnold.
However Arnold has a lot of close personal friends that post on Getbig and they all know exactly what Arnold did during the summer of 1980 during his Olympia prep. They will probably claim that he was natural. And we must bow to their personal experiences and knowledge.
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1980 Arnold vs Dorian (after 2 years of training)
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Peak Arnold VS Dorian as a Novice
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I have to reply. Arnold was not the Arnold we knew when he won in 1980. But he was still better than all the rest. PERIOD. And second For the 1980 contest Arnold won 20000.00 dollars not 1000.00. That's what they paid when he was first winning. And third and last Dorian was a great bodybuilder but in NO way does he compare to Arnold or most of the guys from the 70 or early 80s. Plus Dorian was "gifted " several of his titles. Bodybuilding is ( was) about tryi8ng to build the perfect male body. Big proportionate athletic looking and everything in balance. Dorian had no arm. Dorians look did NOT appeal to anyone but schmoes ( judges) and what has Dorian done since then? Movies? lmao Politician ? Lmao . Is he a millionaire? lmao Arnold may have turned on his fans and became a beta but there was a time when he was "the man".
wow, 20K, retirement income! ::)
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I have to reply. Arnold was not the Arnold we knew when he won in 1980. But he was still better than all the rest. PERIOD. And second For the 1980 contest Arnold won 20000.00 dollars not 1000.00. That's what they paid when he was first winning. And third and last Dorian was a great bodybuilder but in NO way does he compare to Arnold or most of the guys from the 70 or early 80s. Plus Dorian was "gifted " several of his titles. Bodybuilding is ( was) about tryi8ng to build the perfect male body. Big proportionate athletic looking and everything in balance. Dorian had no arm. Dorians look did NOT appeal to anyone but schmoes ( judges) and what has Dorian done since then? Movies? lmao Politician ? Lmao . Is he a millionaire? lmao Arnold may have turned on his fans and became a beta but there was a time when he was "the man".
Arnold’s post bodybuilding “reward”
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no way dorian would have beat Arnold, if that's what we're debating. Ever. No biceps or dramatic sweeps that A owned.
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no way dorian would have beat Arnold, if that's what we're debating. Ever. No biceps or dramatic sweeps that A owned.
Dorian’s thigh sweep and lat sweep destroyed Arnold’s. As did Dorians calves, forearms, and deltoids.
Arnold at his peak had possibly the worst lat spread in Olympia history. Plus, hamstrings from hell.
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Arnold hit the rear lat spread totally wrong, which is surprising for him, his width and thickness showed without bringing the arms into it.
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Look, we know how Arnold vs. Dorian would play out at tge Olympia...
Lets say on the day of the contest Doz is a few percent better than Arnold is. The night before the contest Arnold will book together a room for them to 'help' Dorian get ready for the contest. And that night Dorian will never forget. Arnold will just mix him up. Doz would come so ready to win but Arnold would just talk him into losing.
Doz is pretty smart but on the day of the contest it won't be that hard for Arnold to give him the wrong advices.
Plus if Doz shows up all fucked up on mushrooms and weed he'll be less hostile for Arnold.
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arnold lost his cuts because he had a hurt shoulder and took a cortizone shot. franco asked arnold what he had taken and he said the usual steroids and the cortizone shot. Franco yelled at him and said that holds water. this was all in print in a muscle builder magazine.Arnold didn't train that long for the show plus he nedded to come in lighter because thats what judges were looking for ( zane won then eventually dickerson) The big guy era was out. BUT when Dorian was winning they wanted big ugly freaks and thats all that mattered. Also arnolds drugs were in no way even close to what dorian was using. They only had basic stuff in arnolds time. Plus they knew more about nutrition and insulin during dorians time. IF all those drugs and the use of insulin was around Arnold would of used them too and would of been over 30 lbs in competition weight. He would of done whatever it took. END of this discussion
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Peak Arnold vs 1986 Dorian
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Look, we know how Arnold vs. Dorian would play out at tge Olympia...
Lets say on the day of the contest Doz is a few percent better than Arnold is. The night before the contest Arnold will book together a room for them to 'help' Dorian get ready for the contest. And that night Dorian will never forget. Arnold will just mix him up. Doz would come so ready to win but Arnold would just talk him into losing.
Doz is pretty smart but on the day of the contest it won't be that hard for Arnold to give him the wrong advices.
Plus if Doz shows up all fucked up on mushrooms and weed he'll be less hostile for Arnold.
But he couldnt pull that stunt with Jay Cutler...
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Look, we know how Arnold vs. Dorian would play out at tge Olympia...
Lets say on the day of the contest Doz is a few percent better than Arnold is. The night before the contest Arnold will book together a room for them to 'help' Dorian get ready for the contest. And that night Dorian will never forget. Arnold will just mix him up. Doz would come so ready to win but Arnold would just talk him into losing.
Doz is pretty smart but on the day of the contest it won't be that hard for Arnold to give him the wrong advices.
Plus if Doz shows up all fucked up on mushrooms and weed he'll be less hostile for Arnold.
Dude !! LOL ;D
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arnold lost his cuts because he had a hurt shoulder and took a cortizone shot. franco asked arnold what he had taken and he said the usual steroids and the cortizone shot. Franco yelled at him and said that holds water. this was all in print in a muscle builder magazine.Arnold didn't train that long for the show plus he nedded to come in lighter because thats what judges were looking for ( zane won then eventually dickerson) The big guy era was out. BUT when Dorian was winning they wanted big ugly freaks and thats all that mattered. Also arnolds drugs were in no way even close to what dorian was using. They only had basic stuff in arnolds time. Plus they knew more about nutrition and insulin during dorians time. IF all those drugs and the use of insulin was around Arnold would of used them too and would of been over 30 lbs in competition weight. He would of done whatever it took. END of this discussion
😂😂😂
Dorian after 3 years of training
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arnold lost his cuts because he had a hurt shoulder and took a cortizone shot. franco asked arnold what he had taken and he said the usual steroids and the cortizone shot. Franco yelled at him and said that holds water. this was all in print in a muscle builder magazine.Arnold didn't train that long for the show plus he nedded to come in lighter because thats what judges were looking for ( zane won then eventually dickerson) The big guy era was out. BUT when Dorian was winning they wanted big ugly freaks and thats all that mattered. Also arnolds drugs were in no way even close to what dorian was using. They only had basic stuff in arnolds time. Plus they knew more about nutrition and insulin during dorians time. IF all those drugs and the use of insulin was around Arnold would of used them too and would of been over 30 lbs in competition weight. He would of done whatever it took. END of this discussion
Was it mentioned how he injured his shoulder?
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Look, we know how Arnold vs. Dorian would play out at tge Olympia...
Lets say on the day of the contest Doz is a few percent better than Arnold is. The night before the contest Arnold will book together a room for them to 'help' Dorian get ready for the contest. And that night Dorian will never forget. Arnold will just mix him up. Doz would come so ready to win but Arnold would just talk him into losing.
Doz is pretty smart but on the day of the contest it won't be that hard for Arnold to give him the wrong advices.
Plus if Doz shows up all fucked up on mushrooms and weed he'll be less hostile for Arnold.
LOL!
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dorian lights out here
plus arnold is a scum bag who would sell his own mother to pimps if it meant he could make a dollar off it. he has turned into a cuck
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dorian lights out here
plus arnold is a scum bag who would sell his own mother to pimps if it meant he could make a dollar off it. he has turned into a cuck
no argument, but would have beaten D one way or the other.
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There's a strong possibility if Arnold and Dorian were to meet up for any length of time that 9 months later Gal would produce offspring strongly resembling a Guatemalan Oak.
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no argument, but would have beaten D one way or the other.
Dorian would wipe the floor with Arnold on a BB stage, based on their respective physiques.
Can't base it on "if Arnold had the drugs".....
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Arnold had mass with class, Dorian introduced that fat look to bodybuilding while having smaller arms, shallower chest etc. Plus Dorian later won with wrecked biceps that were way smaller on a keg of a body. Arnold may have downsized for 1980 but he looked good from all angles had good conditioning and destroyed everyone in signature poses.
It baffles me to this day Mr O can win with torn biceps, that's the main show muscle gone straight away, it shoulda been goodbye for Dorian and hello to the next guy.
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I honestly think Arnold’s physique is flawed but he was such a skilled poser that he was able to conceal his weaknesses. That said, comparing bbers from such wildly different eras is foolish, like comparing Bill Russell to Steph Curry or Terry Bradshaw to Peyton Manning.
Arnold is clearly the greatest bodybuilder of all time, even if he was perhaps not the best.
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Arnold had mass with class, Dorian introduced that fat look to bodybuilding while having smaller arms, shallower chest etc. Plus Dorian later won with wrecked biceps that were way smaller on a keg of a body. Arnold may have downsized for 1980 but he looked good from all angles had good conditioning and destroyed everyone in signature poses.
It baffles me to this day Mr O can win with torn biceps, that's the main show muscle gone straight away, it shoulda been goodbye for Dorian and hello to the next guy.
93 version of dorian ass rapes arnold, the only thing arnold had on him would be biceps , dorian would ass rape him on side tricep quads , calfs and from the rear we will not even go there, conditioning to
that being said i wold rather look like prime arnold :)
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Dorian would wipe the floor with Arnold on a BB stage, based on their respective physiques.
Can't base it on "if Arnold had the drugs".....
I have to disagree. The kinds of drugs available, supplements, dietary knowledge, judging criteria all changed between Arnolds era and Dorians.
The kinds of people who become great in a given activity have the kinds of character traits and personalities that would make them successful in any other era.
It's not realistic to think that the difference in drug protocols wouldn't help arnold be competitive in Dorians era. Also the expectations changed. If it were necessary to be 275 lbs in contest shape in order to win I think Arnold would’ve been able to achieve that with drugs, supplements and diet.
Conversely if Dorian were competing in the 1970s he would probably do whatever it took to be competitive then.
However Dorians era prized size over everything else. I think this is something Arnold could accomplish. Putting on size , i think would be easy for a prime Arnold. But in the 70's where aesthetics, peaked biceps, a vacuum were important but legs and back weren't prioritized in judging, Dorian would have a harder time. Back and legs were 2 of his strengths and they just weren't that highly judged while large peaked biceps and huge chest were judged highly are 2 areas that Dorian lacked.
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Arnold would decimate Yates.
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Arnold would decimate Yates.
Pretty much.
Arnold would have breakfast with Doz on the morning of the show. During breakfast Arnold would call his mother and tell her he already won. Then he'd say "No, Dorian isn't even ready yet. They should have the show in two months. But then I'd get bigger too again so....ah what the hell. If he retires this year he'll never be a 7 time mr. Olympia but at least he won it 6 times. Can you imagine how good I'll feel? 8 times mr. Olympia?"
Later a dejected Doz would be seen gorging on oranges in the shadows and Arnold would tell him his belly is bigger than Mentzers and even an elderly Frank Zane would crush him on stage.
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Later a dejected Doz would be seen gorging on oranges in the shadows and Arnold would tell him his belly is bigger than Mentzers and even an elderly Frank Zane would crush him on stage.
That’s funny because I actually dreamt about Arnold last night.
l told him, ''Arnold, you're making a big mistake going to Africa.''
He says,
''Why do you say that, Mr. Ferrigno?''
l said, ''Because Dorian’s already there slurping on a juicy piece of citrus…..in the shadows.''
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Mentzer looks small here compared to Arnold. Look at the arm size difference!
(https://www.builtreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/1980-mr-olympia-089.jpg)
Mentzer looks like a fucking swimmer in that pic.