Author Topic: Will you no longer own your home?  (Read 3470 times)

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2023, 05:15:16 AM »
I'm gonna get heat for this but

I feel like having a mortgage has been a good thing for me as currency devalues. If I'd known inflation and a labor crisis were on the way I probably would have borrowed more since the debt has shrunk relative to earnings.

I recognize that inflation is hurting a lot of people but it's working for me since I can bump my rates and I live spartan so I don't really feel the cost of living increase as much as civilized people do.

I don't want to pay my loan off 100% since it'll close out my redraw. I'd rather use it and savings to get something else, ideally when there's blood in the streets.


Imo the government isn't going to steal your house. They're just going to rape you softly with more inflation from their brrrrrr money machine since people would actually react to being more heavily taxed in the customary fashion.

The banking system is socialized, but it already was in 08. They're just avoiding the term bailout this time. Mostly I'm worried about foreign held US debt, Saudi dropping the petro dollar, and the world basically moving on. In what sense is the US an economic powerhouse anymore? It's weapons companies, financial services, and shopping malls. It's been gutted of everything that made it the envy of the world.

You're probably already across this but an Offset might be worth looking into vs Redraw given the latter is technically the lenders money and so if shit really does hit the fan they may put a block on or limit your access

Unlikely but a technical possibility



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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2023, 05:31:40 AM »
You're probably already across this but an Offset might be worth looking into vs Redraw given the latter is technically the lenders money and so if shit really does hit the fan they may put a block on or limit your access

Unlikely but a technical possibility

I'm a financial ignoramus. My bank never mentioned such a thing and I had no idea it existed. Thanks.

My mission is to just be a cash buyer (cheaper rural land). I hated the mortgage process so much I never want to go through it again.

Because I'm so embarrassingly ill informed with investment, and I can bang nails purdy good, I think I'm going to gravitate toward physical assets.

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2023, 05:32:06 AM »
You are the owner of that home......"as long as you meet the terms of that mortgage". When anyone purchases a home with a mortgage that the bank holds, even if you hold the deed to the property, the bank has every right to that home if you fail to make mortgage payments. The person that borrows the mortgage loan (i.e. the mortgagor) makes regular payments on the loan to the mortgagee (the lender) and agrees to a lien on the mortgaged property as collateral for the mortgagee. So sure, if that deed helps you sleep at night, then rest easy. But pray to the gods that you don't hit hard times or that a financial collapse (as what we're likely staring into right now) doesn't happen, because if it does, things will get dicey.

So, yes, if your name is on the deed, you technically own the home but with contingencies. Whereas, I like to think that when you own something it's fully yours, no contingencies. You own your underwear, no one can strip you of them if you stop paying off their cost over time. Those shit stains aren't anyone else's problem but yours. The moment you truly "own" a home is when you've either purchased it in full with no contingencies or have paid off the mortgage you hold on the home. Until your house is paid off completely, what you "own" is debt to a bank, debt that keeps you enslaved to their payments. Sure you rest easy at night because there's a piece of paper (deed) that suggests that you own the home, but that paper is only as valuable as your ability to pay back your lender. Reality is, in many ways you own equity in that home and as soon as you stop paying your lender, the home goes into the possession of the bank. House (homes) are the products (medium) banks use to have you buy into their products (loans). And even then in a broader sense you merely are renting the land from Uncle Sam and the moment you stop paying property taxes they can place a lien on the home and auction it off to recoup their money. Not to mention that by way of eminent domain, the government can seize your home at will if it finds it convenient to do so.

So, if all of these regional banks are taken over by the FDIC (i.e. the government) and inflation continues to worsen, unemployment rises and a recession hits, most of the mortgage borrowers will run into hard times and go bad on their mortgage payments which will result in the government owning the collateral (the homes).

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You have a valid point. Bhank is correct that the mortgage is simply a lien. The reality is that the vast majority of mortgages are government backed from the start. FHA / VA / USDA / Fannie / Freddie - not to mention all of the bond programs for down payment assistance etc. BUT - OMR you stated that “IF YOU MEET THE TERMS OR THE MTG” . How many have ever REALLY read the entire mortgage agreement? I have closed 1,000 + mtgs (just about every type) and I admit that it’s been a few years since I took the time to read all sections. There is one section in 100% of mortgages that state the owner must “maintain the property to standards….” Those “standards” are never anything specific. The government (who becomes the lien holder when the mortgage company or bank fail) COULD have “home inspections” and create any standard they wanted.
30 years ago when I started this would have sounded bat shit crazy, hell even 10 years ago. Now - it doesn’t sound crazy to me at all. Who’s to say that they couldn’t deem it a hazard to have occupants who were unvaccinated??

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2023, 05:49:08 AM »
I'm a financial ignoramus. My bank never mentioned such a thing and I had no idea it existed. Thanks.

My mission is to just be a cash buyer (cheaper rural land). I hated the mortgage process so much I never want to go through it again.

Because I'm so embarrassingly ill informed with investment, and I can bang nails purdy good, I think I'm going to gravitate toward physical assets.

It's a classic small print feature, not the sort of thing they spotlight. As per above its very unlikely but still there

Offset can also offer tax advantages vs Redraw if you turn it into an investment property. Plenty of stuff on Google to get an entry point idea if ever curious. Good luck



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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2023, 06:51:16 AM »
You have a valid point. Bhank is correct that the mortgage is simply a lien. The reality is that the vast majority of mortgages are government backed from the start. FHA / VA / USDA / Fannie / Freddie - not to mention all of the bond programs for down payment assistance etc. BUT - OMR you stated that “IF YOU MEET THE TERMS OR THE MTG” . How many have ever REALLY read the entire mortgage agreement? I have closed 1,000 + mtgs (just about every type) and I admit that it’s been a few years since I took the time to read all sections. There is one section in 100% of mortgages that state the owner must “maintain the property to standards….” Those “standards” are never anything specific. The government (who becomes the lien holder when the mortgage company or bank fail) COULD have “home inspections” and create any standard they wanted.
30 years ago when I started this would have sounded bat shit crazy, hell even 10 years ago. Now - it doesn’t sound crazy to me at all. Who’s to say that they couldn’t deem it a hazard to have occupants who were unvaccinated??

You get it.

I had 2 clients of mine that are mortgage officers bring this exact point up to me last week and it made the hairs on the nape of my neck become erect.

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2023, 07:05:31 AM »
You get it.

I had 2 clients of mine that are mortgage officers bring this exact point up to me last week and it made the hairs on the nape of my neck become erect.

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I hadn't thought of that.

Government can just massively raise income tax.

I hate that because I do own my house...but I don't, because of that.

However, I feel those who own their homes will be the last everything.

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2023, 07:13:16 AM »
I hadn't thought of that.

Government can just massively income tax.

I hate that because I do own my house...but I don't, because of that.

However, I feel those who own their homes will be the last everything.

They can always make a wealth tax too. Nothing can escape big government.

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2023, 07:36:07 AM »
They can always make a wealth tax too. Nothing can escape big government.


That's why they hate cash and gold.

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2023, 08:33:02 AM »
They can always make a wealth tax too. Nothing can escape big government.

That's true.

It's depressing for me, because admittedly, I'm not doing much h now [living off my savings - I'm comfortable, things are fine, life is cheap in NW Ontario], but knowing I can be bankrupted by big government depresses me.

My dad said - if it happens to me, it's because it happens to all of us.

He's right.

Still depressing, but...I guess we would be doing this together.

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2023, 11:49:15 AM »
Planning for doomsday has never been a sound investment strategy

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2023, 11:51:04 AM »

That's why they hate cash and gold.

Cash and gold are also very different the government can’t print gold they can print away the value of your cash

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2023, 11:59:49 AM »
Planning for doomsday has never been a sound investment strategy

Good one, Bhanky.

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2023, 12:42:51 PM »
This topic is being brought up for discussion/debate, but by no means is this a call to action or anything like that. I am curious to see what thoughts Getbiggers have on the current state of economic/financial affairs here in the USA.

As of the last few days, we have started to hear about a possible defaulting of over 200 regional banks throughout the USA. There are new reports showing that the FDIC has even started to seize banks in many major cities as of this past week.

Mortgages that most people get from bigger banks are typically sold off over time to smaller banks that assume the risks and benefits of buying off these debts. If you own a home that is serviced by a smaller bank and the FDIC soon takes over your regional bank, will your home soon be owned by the FDIC (i.e. the government)? If so, this nationalization of US banks is setting the stage for socialism. Part of the American dream is "owning a home", but how much of a home do you own if you're simply renting it from the government and proving them monthly payments towards your principal, interests and property taxes?

If something like this is at play, are we becoming a more socially liberal form of China? I am curious as to what your thoughts are, as I am also trying to wrap my head around what all of this could mean in the coming days to weeks.

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The mortgage crisis of 2008 comes to mind. Many folks’ mortgages were underwater, meaning the mortgage was greater than the appraised value of the property. The housing market bubble burst when subprime mortgages, a huge consumer debt load, and crashing home values converged. Homeowners began defaulting on the home loans. This situation was created by an overwhelming load of mortgage-backed securities that bundled high-risk loans. With an unprecedented number of loans in default, many financial institutions failed requiring government bailouts.

No one I know defaulted on their mortgage and whose property was repossessed. Being financially conservative, I always maintained a small mortgage with considerable equity. At no time were we ever in danger of being foreclosed. I did jump on the opportunity to refinance the small balance of the mortgage on my current property at 2.250% APR. My excellent credit score influenced that low interest rate.

Current housing costs mean that home ownership is out of reach for many people. Unless there is some dramatic change that slows real estate demand, fewer and fewer people will enjoy homeownership in the future.

With regards to housing, do you suppose King Shizzo found somewhere to live and sleep comfortably? It is concerning that he suddenly stopped posting on Getbig on February 26th. 

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2023, 01:58:12 PM »
Good one, Bhanky.

Hanky is delusional about himself but he isn't always wrong when he talks about other stuff.

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2023, 02:10:18 PM »
You get it.

I had 2 clients of mine that are mortgage officers bring this exact point up to me last week and it made the hairs on the nape of my neck become erect.

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Go on...

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2023, 03:43:31 PM »
If you are worried about a bank closing and you losing your money, then diversify and spread your amount out in other banks.  Each customer of a bank  is backed by FDIC up to $250K.  I went and pulled money out my PNC bank today and opened a new BoA saving account and transferred it there.  I will go to my Wells Fargo and do the same on Thursday.  If you keep your amount in each bank under $250K you are good.

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2023, 03:48:16 PM »
Cash and gold are also very different the government can’t print gold they can print away the value of your cash
stupid argument

The value of Gold is based on how much currency you can get for it

Try and tell me how much gold is worth without mentioning money...

Daft twat.,

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2023, 04:01:22 PM »
this gentleman makes a case for the bankruns being a well planned psyop by the central banks to usher in the new world order


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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #43 on: March 21, 2023, 04:15:01 PM »
It's a classic small print feature, not the sort of thing they spotlight. As per above its very unlikely but still there

Offset can also offer tax advantages vs Redraw if you turn it into an investment property. Plenty of stuff on Google to get an entry point idea if ever curious. Good luck

Cheers. I've let myself off the hook for far too long when it comes to getting informed on these matters. I'll bring the autism to bear!

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #44 on: March 21, 2023, 06:19:09 PM »
I don’t think you should link today’s events to the grand plan. Bruce turned in Caitlin quicker than we will have an entirely new way of life.

we don’t have the masses in the brink of default. We don’t have people running to the exits. We don’t have excess house supply on the market. You will own nothing because property will rip upwards and make you poor…… US median 2019 was 320k or so, by 2030 will be 880k and your hamburger will cost $30. I have had this message from the get go, you will get utterly wrecked this decade if you don’t already own a property (not outright but as I’m not in the market).

Over the next 20yrs I expect:
1) property tax changes
2) capital gains tax changes
3) negative/positive geared property changes meaning tax incentives get reduced
4) improvements for evictions to benefit the renter meaning greater exposure for landlords
5) Death tax changes

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2023, 06:53:27 PM »
WEF- YOU WILL OWN NOTHING AND BE HAPPY, they are pushing their GREAT RESET, I believe it will happen this year. Agenda 2030 was sped up. We do not have 20 years. The financial collapse will happen this year again part of the great reset. Read entangled magazine, its the only truth I have seen of how things are happening.

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #46 on: March 21, 2023, 07:32:17 PM »
I don’t think you should link today’s events to the grand plan. Bruce turned in Caitlin quicker than we will have an entirely new way of life.

we don’t have the masses in the brink of default. We don’t have people running to the exits. We don’t have excess house supply on the market. You will own nothing because property will rip upwards and make you poor…… US median 2019 was 320k or so, by 2030 will be 880k and your hamburger will cost $30. I have had this message from the get go, you will get utterly wrecked this decade if you don’t already own a property (not outright but as I’m not in the market).

Over the next 20yrs I expect:
1) property tax changes
2) capital gains tax changes
3) negative/positive geared property changes meaning tax incentives get reduced
4) improvements for evictions to benefit the renter meaning greater exposure for landlords
5) Death tax changes

Nice post.

Agree 100%.

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #47 on: March 22, 2023, 02:58:14 AM »
stupid argument

The value of Gold is based on how much currency you can get for it

Try and tell me how much gold is worth without mentioning money...

Daft twat.,
Gold bugs never figure this shit out.

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #48 on: March 22, 2023, 04:10:20 AM »
If you are worried about a bank closing and you losing your money, then diversify and spread your amount out in other banks.  Each customer of a bank  is backed by FDIC up to $250K.  I went and pulled money out my PNC bank today and opened a new BoA saving account and transferred it there.  I will go to my Wells Fargo and do the same on Thursday.  If you keep your amount in each bank under $250K you are good.

I went down the rabbit hole with this. Getting savings accounts at different banks is one way to get a total of over 250k FDIC coverage. From what I've read another way is to put the total into a brokerage and from there buy brokered CDs at different banks at 250k each (will be less liquid than savings acct but you can do short term CDs). Another option I'm reading about is something that used to be called CDARS which is now IntraFi which I think does something similar to the above automatically for you.

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #49 on: March 22, 2023, 04:23:55 AM »
this gentleman makes a case for the bankruns being a well planned psyop by the central banks to usher in the new world order



Werner, the man you coined the phrase quantitative easing

Hes well worth a listen