The problem with you guys is you think steroids will solve everything, oh i dont have to eat balance meals cause i am no roids i dont have to train hardcore cause i am on the juice, its like a guy with a hundred grand who thinks that he is rich but if he only applied himself he could have had a million.
Then you dont know me at all.
Diet and training spot and the addition of gear is the finishing touch, but its a hell of a finishing touch.
You can eat perfectly and train hard for years and you will make gains, actually its the perfect analogy of what you just posted.
You might think the gains you made are great (hundred grand) but if you had added gear you could have been a millionaire.