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THE ACORN SCAM.....FOR O'BAMA
« on: October 10, 2008, 06:23:45 PM »
It's realy something when there's a group like ACORN going out to the street and making people regester
to vote, not just one time but many times, and they push them to vote for Obama, who also donated
over 800,000 dollars to ACORN. Just seen the news and there was a interview with a young Black female
who told reporters that she resgesterd to vote 6 times, when she told them she had already resgeterd
they told her don't worry to just sign. ACORN waits for people to get off busses, they go to homeless shellters, department stores and even gave CRACK to CRACK addicts to get them to vote for Obama.
And this has been done in a few states, Ohio, Nevada......

Obama is a person who i can't trust as far as i can throw him, what good company he keeps........
Bill Ayers, Rev.Wright,plus another convicted felon that i can't remember his name, starts with a R
Rezco or something like that. Plus he has 300 advisors to help him make decisions, and guess what 3
of his top advisors were CEO's for those big companies that had to be BAILED OUT on WALL street.
So how is he going to fix our economy with those assholes who fucked up in the first place??

I guess he talks a good game for some of you, NOT FOR ME. FUCK OBAMA!!!!!

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Re: THE ACORN SCAM.....FOR O'BAMA
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2008, 07:09:06 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2008, 07:31:46 PM »
YOU KNOW IT'S TRUE.   NO BAMA - NO BAMA - NO BAMA - NO BAMA - NO BAMA - NO BAMA - NO BAMA

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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2008, 07:47:53 PM »
It's realy something when there's a group like ACORN going out to the street and making people regester
to vote, not just one time but many times, and they push them to vote for Obama, who also donated
over 800,000 dollars to ACORN. Just seen the news and there was a interview with a young Black female
who told reporters that she resgesterd to vote 6 times, when she told them she had already resgeterd
they told her don't worry to just sign. ACORN waits for people to get off busses, they go to homeless shellters, department stores and even gave CRACK to CRACK addicts to get them to vote for Obama.
And this has been done in a few states, Ohio, Nevada......

Obama is a person who i can't trust as far as i can throw him, what good company he keeps........
Bill Ayers, Rev.Wright,plus another convicted felon that i can't remember his name, starts with a R
Rezco or something like that. Plus he has 300 advisors to help him make decisions, and guess what 3
of his top advisors were CEO's for those big companies that had to be BAILED OUT on WALL street.
So how is he going to fix our economy with those assholes who fucked up in the first place??

I guess he talks a good game for some of you, NOT FOR ME. FUCK OBAMA!!!!!



ACORN is a voter outreach program.  While there were some cases of fraud back in the early 90's, it was actually ACORN that informed the Justice Dept of their suspicions and those involved were terminated and fired.  In any event, it didn't even influence the election one bit as Barack's opponent was Allen Keyes and he flattened him with more than 70% of the vote. 

And even crack addicts have the right to vote...after all, it was a lot of crackheads and Joe Sixpacks that put Bush in office
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2008, 07:48:38 PM »

ACORN is a voter outreach program.  While there were some cases of fraud back in the early 90's, it was actually ACORN that informed the Justice Dept of their suspicions and those involved were terminated and fired.  In any event, it didn't even influence the election one bit as Barack's opponent was Allen Keyes and he flattened him with more than 70% of the vote. 

And even crack addicts have the right to vote...after all, it was a lot of crackheads and Joe Sixpacks that put Bush in office

Dude, it's ALLEN KEYS. He's CRAZY.

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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2008, 08:20:55 PM »
Dude, it's ALLEN KEYS. He's CRAZY.



Nope, its Keyes.... ::)
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Re: THE ACORN SCAM.....FOR O'BAMA
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2008, 05:58:05 AM »
Come on Vince watch the real news bro, it's fruad, cheating and pushing people to vote one way.

I come to relize that Obama can do no wrong, i guess some Americans just don't care what company
he kepted. I think even if he Molested a child some of you would still vote for him??

The guy comes out of no where and most of you know nothing about him.
Name 2 great things or just 1 thing he's done for this country.

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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2008, 06:24:07 AM »

Nope, its Keyes.... ::)

in Ohio alone they are finding thousands and thousands of fraudulent applications submitted by these people.

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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2008, 07:09:44 AM »

Nope, its Keyes.... ::)

LOL.... whatever. He's a nut.


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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2008, 08:44:39 AM »
Bump that bro's, We are true American's who will fight for this country and Freedom.
Just think we are a free country, imagion if you lived in Iran or N.Korea and had no freedom or choices.
And all these nuts who teach there children to hate us.
At least Mc Caine fought for our freedom along with his sons who are doing the same and the V.P's son
as well, and our Fathers and there Fathers. How people forget that. You just can't sit down and talk to these NUTS as Obama says he will do, Dose not Work asshole. You got to take them out.

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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2008, 09:07:41 AM »
LOL.... whatever. He's a nut.




Yep and all of his preaching and ultra-conservatism got him this..... ;D
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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2008, 09:32:05 AM »

Yep and all of his preaching and ultra-conservatism got him this..... ;D

Is that his lesbian daughter that he disowned?

Like I said, he's a nut.

Add asshat to that list too.


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« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2008, 09:36:13 AM »

Yep and all of his preaching and ultra-conservatism got him this..... ;D

WHATEVER THAT MEANS??  UGLY PICTURE, WHO IS IT??

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Re: THE ACORN SCAM.....FOR O'BAMA
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2008, 10:28:28 AM »
COME ON HUGO OBAMA lol.

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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2008, 11:14:43 AM »
WHATEVER THAT MEANS??  UGLY PICTURE, WHO IS IT??


That's Maya Keyes...his own daughter.   ;D
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« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2008, 11:27:32 AM »
From what I heard on the news last night, these bad registrations were turned in by Acorn...  If that's true, why isn't the right mentioning that fact :-\  Why do they also fail to mention that these wouldn't even translate into votes?  And I still think it's funny and a bit of a giveaway that the Dallas Cowboys were registered....  Try to imagine liberal X trying to commit voter fraud by registering Tony Romo?  uhhhhhh if you don't see what wrong with this picture, you're an idiot.  The more likely story is they were set up by rightwing elements trying to suppress the vote.

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« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2008, 12:13:26 PM »
From what I heard on the news last night, these bad registrations were turned in by Acorn...  If that's true, why isn't the right mentioning that fact :-\  Why do they also fail to mention that these wouldn't even translate into votes?  And I still think it's funny and a bit of a giveaway that the Dallas Cowboys were registered....  Try to imagine liberal X trying to commit voter fraud by registering Tony Romo?  uhhhhhh if you don't see what wrong with this picture, you're an idiot.  The more likely story is they were set up by rightwing elements trying to suppress the vote.
LOL wow thats moronic statement if ive ever heard one...they pay these ppl to meet a quota if they dont meet a quota the get less pay so therefore the make ppl up.  ::)

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Re: THE ACORN SCAM.....FOR O'BAMA
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2008, 12:57:50 PM »
HUGO where did you hear that from Obama's BIG LIPS? ACORN tured nobody in the State Registration
comitie found it, so how many who signed up more than once did not get found out about, Hmm.
So you can trust a person to run this country who avoids questions and lies about the people that he 
has been involed with? And he would still be involed with these people untill word got around and it would have hurt his campain alot worse. As the media started to Air this Information and started to dig up his past he figured he better say he has nothing to do with them anymore but if they did't he would still be going to church Sunday listening to Rev.Wright and hanging out with the same shady people. Who knows if he wins
he will probaly invite them all to the Black House for dinner lol.

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« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2008, 01:03:14 PM »
Election Day is less than a month away, and our efforts to make sure that low-income and minority voters have a voice and vote on November 4th are in full swing.  Unfortunately, just as we've seen in previous election cycles, the more success we have in empowering these voters, the more attacks we have to fend off from partisan forces making unfounded accusations to disparage our work and help maintain the status quo of an unbalanced electorate. We want to take this opportunity to separate the facts of our successes from the falsehoods of our attackers.

On Monday, October 6, as voter registration deadlines passed in most states, ACORN completed the largest, most successful nonpartisan voter registration drive in history.  In partnership with the nonpartisan organization Project Vote, we helped register over 1.3 million low-income, minority, and young voters in a total of 21 states.  Highlights of this success include:

We collected over 151,000 registrations in Florida, 153,000 in Pennsylvania, 215,000 in Michigan, and nearly 250,000 in Ohio.

An estimated 60-70 percent of our applicants are people of color.

At least HALF of all are registrations are from young people between 18-29.

We are proud of this unprecedented success, and grateful to everyone who supported us in this massive effort, from our funders and partners to the literally thousands of hardworking individuals across the country who dedicated themselves to the cause and conducted the difficult work of registering 1.3 million Americans, one voter at a time.

And this work is far from over: now begins our effort mobilize these new voters around local and national issues, getting them to the polls and helping to channel their commitment and conviction into an ongoing movement for change in our communities.

As The Nation pointed out recently, ACORN's success in registering millions of low-income and minority voters has made it "something of a right-wing bogeyman." Though ACORN believes that the right to vote is not, and should never be, a partisan issue, attacks from groups threatened by our historic success continue to come, motivated by partisan politics and often perpetuated by the media without full investigation of the facts. As a result, there have been a few recent stories about investigations of former ACORN workers for turning in incomplete, erroneous, or fraudulent voter registration applications. Predictably, partisan forces have tried to use these isolated incidents to incite fear of the "bogeyman" of "widespread voter fraud." But we want to take this opportunity to set the record straight and tell you a few facts to show how these incidents really exemplify everything that ACORN is doing right:

Fact: ACORN has implemented the most sophisticated quality-control system in the voter engagement field, but in almost every state we are required to turn in ALL completed applications, even the ones we know to be problematic.

Fact: ACORN flags incomplete, problem, or suspicious cards when we turn them in, but these warnings are often ignored by election officials. Often these same officials then come back weeks or months later and accuse us of deliberately turning in phony cards.

Fact: Our canvassers are paid by the hour, not by the card, so there is NO incentive for them to falsify cards. ACORN has a zero-tolerance policy for deliberately falsifying registrations, and in the relatively rare cases where our internal quality controls have identified this happening we have fired the workers involved and turned them in to election officials and law-enforcement.

Fact: No charges have ever been brought against ACORN itself.  Convictions against individual former ACORN workers have been accomplished with our full cooperation, using the evidence obtained through our quality control and verification processes.

Fact: Voter fraud by individuals is extremely rare, and incredibly difficult. There has never been a single proven case of anyone, anywhere, casting an illegal vote as a result of a phony voter registration. Even if someone wanted to influence the election this way, it would not work.

Fact: Most election officials have recognized ACORN's good work and praised our quality control systems. Even in the cities where election officials have complained about ACORN, the applications in question represent less than 1% of the thousands and thousands of registrations ACORN has collected.

Fact: Our accusers not only fail to provide any evidence, they fail to suggest a motive: there is virtually no chance anyone would be able to vote fraudulently, so there is no reason to deliberately submit phony registrations. ACORN is committed to ensuring that the greatest possible numbers of people are registered and allowed to vote, so there is also NO incentive to "disrupt the system" with phony cards.

Fact: Similar accusations were made, and attacks launched, against ACORN and other voter registration organizations in 2004 and 2006. These attacks were not only groundless, they have since been exposed as part of the U.S. Attorneygate scandal and revealed to be part of a systematic partisan agenda of voter suppression.

These are the facts, and the truth is that a relatively small group of political operatives are trying to orchestrate hysteria about "voter fraud" and manufacture public outrage that they can use to further suppress the votes of millions of low-income and minority Americans.

These tactics are nothing new, and history has shown that they will come to nothing. We'll continue to weather the storm, as we've done for years, and we'll continue to share the truth about our work and express pride about our accomplishments.
Most importantly, we want to assure you that this good work continues, unabated and undeterred. ACORN will not be intimidated, we will not be provoked, and in this important moment in history we will not allow anyone to distract us from these vital efforts to empower our constituencies and our communities to speak for themselves. If the partisan political machines are afraid of low-income and minority voters, they're going to have to do a lot better than coming after ACORN.

After all, there are now at least 1.3 million more of them, and they will not be silenced. They're taking an interest, and taking a stand, and they'll be taking their concerns to the voting booth in November.

And ACORN will be here, to make sure that the voices of these Americans are heard, on Election Day and for every day to come.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/acorn_rallies_its_troops.php

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« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2008, 01:08:41 PM »
They've registered under Jive Turkey and cartoon names... come on, admit it... it smells more like rightwing sabotage....

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« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2008, 01:17:07 PM »
Another look at the ACORN furor
The new hot thing on the right? ACORN. It seems like every conservative media outlet or commentator is bringing up the group, and charging it with committing voter fraud on a massive scale. The meme is getting to its intended targets — witness one of the women captured in the video posted earlier, who knew vague details about the organization but, when it came down to it, wasn’t really sure why she was supposed to be so angry. John McCain himself called for an investigation at a recent campaign rally, apparently in response to crowd demand.

These claims pop up in every election cycle. This time, though, they have a particular resonance. Conservatives are attempting to use some tenuous links between ACORN and Barack Obama to attempt to connect the Democratic nominee to the group and, by extension, to voter fraud and who knows what kind of other nefarious activities.

All this noise creates quite a bit of confusion as to what, exactly, the problem is with ACORN’s activities and who is committing all these acts of alleged voter fraud. It’s important to cut through that noise because the portrayal of the situation is at odds with reality.

It is undoubtedly true that ACORN, like many nonprofits — and not just commmunity groups but institutions like universities and hospitals as well — could do a much better job of due diligence about what goes on inside the organization, and about being open and honest with authorities. (For instance: The brother of the group’s founder embezzled $1 million, and no one bothered to inform law enforcement — or the board.) And by now, since these allegations arise at least every two years, you’d think they could come up with some way to decrease the amount of fraudulent registrations collected.

But here’s the fact of the matter, something I’ve learned over the past couple of years in conversations with prosecutors experienced in election-related issues: ACORN is not perpetrating voter fraud here. Rather, the fraud is being perpetrated upon ACORN.

The workers turning in these fraudulent registrations aren’t trying to rig the election; they’re trying to wring a little more money out of their employer. These workers aren’t registering fake names that could really be used to show up and vote. They use cartoon characters and NFL players, and they pressure people to register twice. Some are even less smart about how they do this. In an interview last year, former U.S. attorney Bud Cummins — one of those fired by the Bush administration in what turned into the U.S. attorneys scandal — told me he’d seen examples of some workers simply running through the phone book. “You’d see something like Bud Smith, then Kate Smith … and then there was Smith Auto Body,” Cummins told me. If any of these fraudulent registrations were accepted, no one would show up on Election Day to make use of them.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/10/09/acorn/index.html?source=rss&aim=/politics/war_room

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« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2008, 01:21:22 PM »
The Gist of the ACORN Story
10.10.08 -- 2:58PM By Josh Marshall
The Republican party is grasping on to the ACORN story as a way to delegitimize what now looks like the probable outcome of the November election. It is also a way to stoke the paranoia of their base, lay the groundwork for legal challenges of close outcomes in various states and promote new legal restrictions on legitimate voting by lower income voters and minorities. The big picture is that these claims of 'voter fraud' are themselves a fraud, a tool to aid in suppressing Democratic voter turnout. But I want give readers a bit more detail to understand what is going because the right-wing freak out about ACORN happens pretty much on schedule every two years. The whole scam is premised on having enough people who don't remember when they tried it before who they can then confuse and lie to. And this is clearly important because I'm hearing from a lot of people whose heart is in the right place thinking some real voter fraud conspiracy has been uncovered and that Obama has to distance himself from it post-haste.

ACORN registers lots of lower income and/or minority voters. They operate all across the country and do a lot of things beside voter registration. What's key to understand is their method. By and large they do not rely on volunteers to register voters. They hire people -- often people with low incomes or even the unemployed. This has the dual effect of not only registering people but also providing some work and income for people who are out of work. But because a lot of these people are doing it for the money, inevitably, a few of them cut corners or even cheat. So someone will end up filling out cards for nonexistent names and some of those slip through ACORN's own efforts to catch errors. (It's important to note that in many of the recent ACORN cases that have gotten the most attention it's ACORN itself that has turned the people in who did the fake registrations.) These reports start buzzing through the right-wing media every two years and every time the anecdotal reports of 'thousands' of fraudulent registrations turns out, on closer inspection, to be either totally bogus themselves or wildly exaggerated. So thousands of phony registrations ends up being, like, twelve.

I've always had questions about whether this is a good way to do voter registration. And Democratic campaigns usually keep their distance. But here's the key. This is fraud against ACORN. They end up paying people for registering more people then they actually signed up. If you register me three times to vote, the registrar will see two new registrations of an already registered person and the ones won't count. If I successfully register Mickey Mouse to vote, on election day, Mickey Mouse will still be a cartoon character who cannot go to the local voting station and vote. Logically speaking there's very little way a few phony names on the voting rolls could be used to commit actual vote fraud. And much more importantly, numerous studies and investigations have shown no evidence of anything more than a handful of isolated cases of actual instances of vote fraud.

To expand on this point let me quote from Richard Hasen, one of the most experienced and concise commentators on this question, from a June 2007 column in the Dallas Morning News ...

At least in hindsight, the center's line of argument is easily deconstructed. First, arguing by anecdote is dangerous business. A new report by Lorraine Minnite of Barnard College looks at these anecdotes and shows them to be, for the most part, wholly spurious. Sure, one can find a rare case of someone voting in two jurisdictions, but nothing extensive or systematic has been unearthed or documented.
But perhaps most importantly, the idea of massive polling-place fraud (through the use of inflated voter rolls) is inherently incredible. Suppose I want to swing the Missouri election for my preferred presidential candidate. I would have to figure out who the fake, dead or missing people on the registration rolls are, then pay a lot of other individuals to go to the polling place and claim to be that person, without any return guarantee - thanks to the secret ballot - that any of them will cast a vote for my preferred candidate.

Those who do show up at the polls run the risk of being detected and charged with a felony. And for what - $10? Polling-place fraud, in short, makes no sense.

The Justice Department devoted unprecedented resources to ferreting out fraud over five years and appears to have found not a single prosecutable case across the country. Of the many experts consulted, the only dissenter from that position was a representative of the now-evaporated American Center for Voting Rights.


Again, there have been numerous investigations of this. Often by people with at least a mild political interest in finding wrongdoing. But they never find it. It always ends up being right-wing hype and lies. Remember, most of those now-famous fired US Attorneys from 2007 were Republican appointees who were canned after they got tasked with investigating allegations of widespread vote fraud, did everything they could to find it, but came up with nothing. That was the wrong answer so Karl Rove and his crew at the Justice Department fired them.

Vote registration fraud is a limited and relatively minor problem in the US today. But it is principally an administrative and efficiency issue. It is has little or nothing to do with people casting illegitimate votes to affect an actual election. That's the key. What you're hearing right now from Fox News, the New York Post, John Fund and the rest of the right-wing bamboozlement chorus is a just another effort to exploit, confuse and lie in an effort to put more severe restrictions on legitimate voting and lay the groundwork to steal elections.

It's that simple.

Late Update: McCain's sleaze and disgrace just runs deeper and deeper. This just in from TPM Reader DW ...

McCain's team has been pushing it on reporters today and just put out one of the most obvious web videos yet.


I say "obvious" because the implication of the 24/7 Fox coverage is made blatant. It's transference. It's saying to white voters, "we know you're angry about the economy. Don't blame Wall Street. Blame the n-----s."
McCain's going to lose, and he knows it. This is a 90-second ad aimed at the base who are watching Fox News. But he's setting up a large proportion (maybe the majority) of the GOP base to believe that scary blacks stole the election for Barack Obama. He's stoking race hatred. He is scum, and if in 10 years his name isn't synonymous with Lester Maddox and George Wallace than historians won't have done their job.


It's really true. The essence of McCain's campaign now appears to amount to prepping McCain's base to believe they didn't really lose the election. The election was stolen from them by Barack and his army of gangsters and black street hustlers.
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« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2008, 01:27:23 PM »
The Purge Surge: Why the GOP Is Nuts About ACORN

What explains the Republicans' fixation on ACORN in recent days? From Sen. McCain's campaign manager to GOP luminaries to the McCain campaign's own new web ad, ACORN appears to be target #1 of the GOP campaign against Senator Obama, surpassing even a focus on William Ayers. The claims are that ACORN is engaging in massive voter fraud through its voter registration activities, and -- according to the new web ad -- that the group forced banks to take on risky loans that have led to the country's financial crisis. Though at first glance it may look like this is about tying Senator Obama to a group that has been under investigation for its voter registration activities, the real point appears to be part of a broader Republican strategy to remove likely Democratic voters from the voter rolls and to lay the groundwork to contest the outcome of the presidential election in the event of an extremely close result in a battleground state.

Let's start with the direct Obama connection. The McCain campaign is trying to associate the campaign with ACORN's questionable activities, in the same kind of guilt-by-association claims made about William Ayers and Obama "palling around with terrorists." It is a nice bonus that ACORN has been involved in housing issues as well, as it is a chance to deflect attention from the Bush Administration's handling of economic issues and placing blame on a convenient scapegoat. (Next we will learn that ACORN invented financial derivatives.)

With the polls showing the McCain campaign consistently lagging, it is raising the ACORN issue among others to see if it sticks.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rick-hasen/the-purge-surgewhy-the-go_b_133786.html

But we should resist the temptation to chalk up this ACORN obsession to just another guilt-by-association campaign tactic. For the last three elections, Republicans have been ramping up cries of voter fraud as a way of undermining the legitimacy of the election results should they not turn out in their favor and providing a reason for strict voting purges that are likely to remove many Democratic voters from the rolls.

We saw the voter fraud call in 2004, when Republicans virtually guaranteed that they would have challenged the presidential election results if John Kerry won and the results turned on the outcome in New Mexico, which Republicans said was rife with voter fraud. (Don't forget that this unsubstantiated concern drove the U.S. attorneys scandal.) We saw it with the activities of the American Center for Voting Rights, a Republican-aligned group that promoted the unsubstantiated claims of impersonation voter fraud in an often-successful effort to enact voter identification laws. We see it now with the reissuance of John Fund's book, Stealing Elections, full of anecdote but virtually no evidence of systematic voter fraud that can lead to a change in the outcome of elections. (The kind of fraud that leads to changes in election outcomes has been with absentee votes, which have mostly been ignored in these efforts.) And just try doing a Google News search for the term "voter fraud." You will see people who believe that foreign money is flooding the Obama campaign, that Obama is not a natural born citizen, and that the election will be stolen through voter fraud.

This is the reason that the ACORN controversy is a godsend to the Republicans. It fits into their meme that the election of Obama would be illegitimate and procured by fraud.

ACORN has been very active in registering voters, especially in big cities and in battleground states. It hires low income workers to do the registration (part of a way of providing additional employment for these workers), and there have been numerous documented cases of ACORN workers turning in fraudulent registration forms. These problems have led to convictions and new investigations -- including a raid earlier this week in Nevada (which, by the way, has a Democratic Secretary of State).

ACORN has claimed that it is a victim of the fraud, not a perpetrator of it. It argues that it can't help it if a small share of its workers are turning in these forms. I find this kind of argument unpersuasive. With these persistent problems, ACORN needs to find a different business model for registering voters, even if it means that fewer voters will be registered and fewer low income people employed in the voter registration business.

But the important point now is that fraudulent registrations put in by ACORN employees are not going to lead to fraud at the polls, and Governor Danforth recently claimed in a conference call with reporters. Why else would ACORN submit phony registration forms if not to game the outcome of the election, he asked. The answer is simply that these employees want to keep their jobs. And it is worse if employees are pressured to meet quotas to turn in a certain number of forms, something ACORN denies it is doing.

So even if Mickey Mouse is registering, he is not showing up on election day to cast ballots, and so far as I am aware, there have been no cases of phony voter registrations leading to the casting of votes in any election that have been on any large scale -- much less affected the outcome of elections. So we should all agree that those who submit fraudulent voter registration forms should be punished criminally, but that such activity is not going to affect the outcome of the presidential election: Obama is running way ahead in the polls, and if he wins in a landslide it is not because Donald Duck has voted thousands of times in key swing states.

But cries of voter fraud allow for harsh purging of voters from the rolls. Because of decentralization of election authority and a lack of administrative competence or will, the rolls are inaccurate in many states. Careless purging--driven by unsubstantiated fears about voter fraud--can lead to many eligible voters being incorrectly removed from the polls. Despite the fact that eligible voters are being removed from the polls, the GOP is pushing for more purging in Ohio, and they found a sympathetic federal judge, citing ACORN's activities, in requiring the Democratic Secretary of State to allow county elections board to purge of many new Ohio voters who do not have an exact match in inaccurate databases.

And if the election comes down to the counting of provisional ballots cast in a state like Colorado, look out. We can expect to see James Baker back on television, this time demanding that the results be changed in McCain's favor because of massive voter fraud. From little ACORNs can come mighty lawsuits.

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What explains the Republicans' fixation on ACORN in recent days? From Sen. McCain's campaign manager to GOP luminaries to the McCain campaign's own new web ad, ACORN appears ...
What explains the Republicans' fixation on ACORN in recent days? From Sen. McCain's campaign manager to GOP luminaries to the McCain campaign's own new web ad, ACORN appears ...

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Re: THE ACORN SCAM.....FOR O'BAMA
« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2008, 01:30:47 PM »
State GOP leaders accuse ACORN of vote fraud
by GARRY LENTON, Of The Patriot-News
Friday October 10, 2008, 11:26 AM
State Republican leaders are accusing a community-based group it claims has links to Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama, of deliberately filing fraudulent voter registration forms across the state.

Voter registration officials in Harrisburg, Philadelphia and Allegheny County have reported problems with registrations filed on behalf of voters by the Association of Community Organizations, or ACORN. State Republican Party chairman Robert Gleason said the number of fake registrations is in the thousands and said the situation has "the potential for massive fraud."

A York man employed part-time by ACORN was arrested Saturday and charged with submitting more than 100 bogus registrations over eight days in June. The man was fired when ACORN learned of the discrepancy.

Dauphin County investigators said Luis F. Torres-Serrano, 37, of the 400 block of George St., York, was working part time for ACORN and turned in bogus registration forms, apparently to justify his paycheck, said Chief County Detective John Goshert.

ACORN officials have denied all allegations that the organization knowingly submitted false information to election officials.

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Re: THE ACORN SCAM.....FOR O'BAMA
« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2008, 01:59:59 PM »
Hey HUGO you might want to read what Beach Bum Posted, maybe you should stop listening to the LEFT
and try the right, there are two sides to a story, my side, your side, and the truth.
And i've been hearing the truth from both sides about the SCAMMING going on with ACORN.
You say they brought in homeless, Minorities and whoever else they could get to register to vote, Oh
lets not forget convicted Felons. The problem is they were pushing them to vote for Obama, filling them with lies. So in my opinion the vote will not be fair at all.
Do you think these people ever voted before? probaly not, so why now, i will tell you why because of ACORN and the secerects behide it. Why did Obama donate $800.000 dollars to ACORN? He's buying
there votes. And why do you think for the first time Blacks, Hispanics and illegals are voting, maybe
because a Black man is running for president, The funny thing is they don't know the first thing
about whats realy going on, and 6 months ago no one even heard of Obama.
You don't hear them saying the first White/Black American nomanated for President now do you. No.
What's he going to do for you????  Bring the country down even worse because he dosen't have what it takes, that's why he needs 300 fucking advisors to guild him. What a dumm ass.