The ironic thing in this statement is that you are so willingly BLIND that you refuse to see what you are saying. I'll break it down for you:
Christian View: God has always existed
Atheist View: Universe has always existed
Both are religious. YET, you seem to claim that your view is science and the Christian view is religious. They are both religious. If you believe we all came from a big bang which came from nothing, there is not a single method to prove it. It's RELIGIOUS.
Another fallacy in your argument that you like to use is that "scientists say that"....as if all scientist are atheists. WRONG. Not only wrong, but what you are really trying to do is paint the picture that your theory is what all smart people believe and the Bible is what all ignorant people believe.
Looking at this universe and saying there is no Designer / Creator is like looking at a car and saying it just got here from a massive explosion that came from nothing. Very foolish.
WoW! This whole thread I have never said Atheists believe the Universe has always existed, I don't think I mentioned the atheists point of view on the origins of the Universe. Atheism is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. Atheists don't necessarily have an opinion on the big bang theory.
I have put forward Stephen Hawkings view that God couldn't have been responsible for the Big Bang, as there was no time before the big bang for a GOD to have existed in. One is religious, the other absolutely not. Religion being The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods.
Hawking's theories are 100% based on science and have nothing to do with religion (how you came to that conclusion is staggering); Hawkins origin of the universe theory is based on sound scientific principles (unlike yours). His theory stems from his research on black holes, and how they affect time. The closer one gets to a black hole, the slower time moves. Essentially time comes to a stand still inside a black hole. Within a blackhole, time doesn't exist (this is a fixed law of nature). A state similar to the moment right before the big bang. Similarly, if you could go back in time the Universe would shrink until the all the mass became so infinitesimally small that it's properties resemble that of a black hole. What science calls the singularity, is essentially an infinitesimally small and infinitely dense blackhole (a state of no time - again based on a fixed law of nature)
"You can't get to a time before the big bang, because there was no before the big bang. Science has finally found something that doesn't have a cause, because there was no time for the cause to exist in."
Hawkins has undeniably used science to come up with a working hypothesis, absolute proof isn't necessary. For decades the scientific theory of flight was incorrect, it was never proved, but that didn't stop humans creating machines that fly based on the working hypothesis put forward. The problem is, you can't dispute Hawkins theory because you don't have the requisite knowledge needed, you don't even have the rudimentary knowledge needed to understand it. Science requires a rigid validation process, they just don't make claims and then say they are true. If you claim time doesn't exist in a black hole, then you need to prove it, and to do such a thing requires a deep understanding of physics, maths and cosmology. They aren't claims made lightly. It is unlikely in a thousand lifetimes you could develop the knowledge to debunk Hawkins theories.
And the majority of scientists don't believe in GOD, any assertion otherwise is simply wishful thinking and religious propaganda. Their is also a strong correlation between atheism and high IQ's.
