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President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.

Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC NEWS that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.” 
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None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered.

Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.” 

That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them.

Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.”

“This says that when they made the promise, they knew half the people in this market outright couldn’t keep what they had and then they wrote the rules so that others couldn’t make it either,” said  Robert Laszewski, of Health Policy and Strategy Associates, a consultant who works for health industry firms. Laszewski estimates that 80 percent of those in the individual market will not be able to keep their current policies and will have to buy insurance that meets requirements of the new law, which generally requires a richer package of benefits than most policies today.
 
The White House does not dispute that many in the individual market will lose their current coverage, but argues they will be offered better coverage in its place, and that many will get tax subsidies that would offset any increased costs. “One of the main goals of the law is to ensure that people have insurance they can rely on – that doesn’t discriminate or charge more based on pre-existing conditions.  The consumers who are getting notices are in plans that do not provide all these protections – but in the vast majority of cases, those same insurers will automatically shift their enrollees to a plan that provides new consumer protections and, for nearly half of individual market enrollees, discounts through premium tax credits,” said White House spokesperson Jessica Santillo.
 
Individual insurance plans with low premiums often lack basic benefits, such as prescription drug coverage, or carry high deductibles and out-of-pocket costs. The Affordable Care Act requires all companies to offer more benefits, such as mental health care, and also bars companies from denying coverage for preexisting conditions.

Today, White House spokesman Jay Carney was asked about the president’s promise that consumers would be able to keep their health care. “What the president said and what everybody said all along is that there are going to be changes brought about by the Affordable Care Act to create minimum standards of coverage, minimum services that every insurance plan has to provide,” Carney said. “So it's true that there are existing healthcare plans on the individual market that don't meet those minimum standards and therefore do not qualify for the Affordable Care Act.”

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Heather Goldwater, 38, of South Carolina, says that she received a letter from her insurer saying the company would no longer offer her plan, but hasn't yet received a follow-up letter with a comparable option.

Other experts said that most consumers in the individual market will not be able to keep their policies. Nancy Thompson, senior vice president of CBIZ Benefits, which helps companies manage their employee benefits, says numbers in this market are hard to pin down, but that data from states and carriers suggests “anywhere from 50 to 75 percent” of individual policy holders will get cancellation letters. Kansas Insurance Commissioner Sandy Praeger, who chairs the health committee of the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, says that estimate is “probably about right.” She added that a few states are asking insurance companies to cancel and replace policies, rather than just amend them, to avoid confusion.
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A spokesman for America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), an insurance trade association, also said the 50 to 75 percent estimate was consistent with the range they are hearing.
 
Those getting the cancellation letters are often shocked and unhappy.
 
George Schwab, 62, of North Carolina, said he was "perfectly happy" with his plan from Blue Cross Blue Shield, which also insured his wife for a $228 monthly premium. But this past September, he was surprised to receive a letter saying his policy was no longer available. The "comparable" plan the insurance company offered him carried a $1,208 monthly premium and a $5,500 deductible.

And the best option he’s found on the exchange so far offered a 415 percent jump in premium, to $948 a month.

"The deductible is less," he said, "But the plan doesn't meet my needs. Its unaffordable."

"I'm sitting here looking at this, thinking we ought to just pay the fine and just get insurance when we're sick," Schwab added. "Everybody's worried about whether the website works or not, but that's fixable. That's just the tip of the iceberg. This stuff isn't fixable."
 
Heather Goldwater, 38, of South Carolina, is raising a new baby while running her own PR firm. She said she received a letter last July from Cigna, her insurance company, that said the company would no longer offer her individual plan, and promised to send a letter by October offering a comparable option. So far, she hasn't received anything.
 
"I'm completely overwhelmed with a six-month-old and a business,” said Goldwater. “The last thing I can do is spend hours poring over a website that isn't working, trying to wrap my head around this entire health care overhaul."

Goldwater said she supports the new law and is grateful for provisions helping folks like her with pre-existing conditions, but she worries she won’t be able to afford the new insurance, which is expected to cost more because it has more benefits. "I'm jealous of people who have really good health insurance," she said. "It's people like me who are stuck in the middle who are going to get screwed."
 
Richard Helgren, a Lansing, Mich., retiree, said he was “irate” when he received a letter informing him that his wife Amy's $559 a month health plan was being changed because of the law. The plan the insurer offered raised his deductible from $0 to $2,500, and the company gave him 17 days to decide.

The higher costs spooked him and his wife, who have painstakingly planned for their retirement years. "Every dollar we didn't plan for erodes our standard of living," Helgren said.

Ulltimately, though Helgren opted not to shop through the ACA exchanges, he was able to apply for a good plan with a slightly lower premium through an insurance agent.

He said he never believed President Obama’s promise that people would be able to keep their current plans.

"I heard him only about a thousand times," he said. "I didn't believe him when he said it though because there was just no way that was going to happen. They wrote the regulations so strictly that none of the old polices can grandfather."

For months, Laszewski has warned that some consumers will face sticker shock. He recently got his own notice that he and his wife cannot keep their current policy, which he described as one of the best, so-called "Cadillac" plans offered for 2013. Now, he said, the best comparable plan he found for 2014 has a smaller doctor network, larger out-of-pocket costs, and a 66 percent premium increase.

“Mr. President, I like the coverage I have," Laszweski said. "It is the best health insurance policy you can buy."


http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-admin-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

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Re: Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2013, 05:12:29 PM »
I don't even know what to say anymore.  Out of adjectives.   :-\

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Re: Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2013, 05:15:28 PM »
what is even more shocking is just how silent those supporters or this bill have been about this. Not one of those who supported this bill on here have commented on this.

They have just quitely given their approval to this

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Re: Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2013, 05:16:20 PM »
what is even more shocking is just how silent those supporters or this bill have been about this. Not one of those who supported this bill on here have commented on this.

They have just quitely given their approval to this

As they do with everything their messiah does. 

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Re: Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2013, 06:02:41 PM »
http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-admin-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite


Time for mal straw lurker Andre et al to all eat shit.

Obama could completely destroy the United States and you wouldn't hear a negative word from those guys.

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Re: Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2013, 06:06:01 PM »
what is even more shocking is just how silent those supporters or this bill have been about this. Not one of those who supported this bill on here have commented on this.

They have just quitely given their approval to this
bump for those supporters of this bill to comment on this.

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Re: Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2013, 06:11:36 PM »
what is even more shocking is just how silent those supporters or this bill have been about this. Not one of those who supported this bill on here have commented on this.

They have just quitely given their approval to this

horseshit

I've commented on this specific issue twice saying it's not looking good for Obama's statement that "if you like your insurance you can keep it"

and that if this is true then it's going to be bad for the Dems


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Re: Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2013, 06:12:57 PM »
horseshit

I've commented on this specific issue twice saying it's not looking good for Obama's statement that "if you like your insurance you can keep it"

and that if this is true then it's going to be bad for the Dems


if you have I apologize b/c i havent seen it, do you mind post links to these threads?

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Re: Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2013, 06:16:16 PM »
if you have I apologize b/c i havent seen it, do you mind post links to these threads?

I'll be glad to copy and paste my actual posts if you promise to stop making these claims without having done the research

deal?

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Re: Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2013, 06:19:38 PM »
I'll be glad to copy and paste my actual posts if you promise to stop making these claims without having done the research

deal?
if you have ill gladly leave you out of any further shit I give ppl for not commenting on this.

I cannot and will not quite giving you shit for being for this horrible piece of legislation and not seeing this coming even when anyone with any amount of common sense could though ;)

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Re: Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2013, 06:22:23 PM »
if you have ill gladly leave you out of any further shit I give ppl for not commenting on this.

I cannot and will not quite giving you shit for being for this horrible piece of legislation and not seeing this coming even when anyone with any amount of common sense could though ;)

this or ANY other topic where you make a false claim about me

you do this all the time

do your research or don't make the claim.   You can still make your point without flat out lying

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Re: Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2013, 06:23:11 PM »
"They that sow the wind shall reap the whirlwind"

Reap the whirlwind, Democrats.

Reap it.

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Re: Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2013, 06:27:31 PM »
Haha, how's that taking back the House looking now?

It's comical watching the Dems commit political suicide over this.

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Re: Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2013, 06:30:09 PM »
this or ANY other topic where you make a false claim about me

you do this all the time

do your research or don't make the claim.   You can still make your point without flat out lying
hahah ok, now links please

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Re: Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2013, 06:33:45 PM »
hahah ok, now links please

I'm going to hold you to this so you better not be wasting my time

it certainly isn't looking good for his statement "if you like your insurance you can keep it"

Like I've said about ten times now, Repubs believe this will be a disaster and should let it happen

What you didn't read in the article you posted is that many people who are losing their policies will likely get policies with more coverage, lower deductibles and either the same premium or a slightly higher premium.    I suspect there will be some who are looking at much higher prices and that will be a problem for Dems and a boon for Repubs

I might be able to take things you say with more seriousness if you didn't rant and rave like a fucking lunatic ALL DAY LONG
When you whine about every little fucking thing, call his wife names, use racial slurs, outright fucking lies etc..    You're telling people to not take you seriously
Is it possible for you to understand that?

could well turn out to be true and if so it will be BAD for Dems

This is what I don't understand about Repubs

They believe this legislation will be a disaster so why not take the high road and say it's the law of the land and help implement it rather than trying to delay it

If they truly believe it's going to bad then the country will be begging Repubs to get rid of it in 2016.  

Sure it might hurt the country in the short run but we all know that Repubs are more than willing to hurt the country for their own political gain and this wouldn't be seen as their typical craven self serving harm to the country

They can take the total high road on this and come out of it looking both prescient and statesman like

Instead they decided to act like babies with a load in their diaper and they harmed the country and their brand on a folly that was never going to work in the first place



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Re: Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2013, 06:35:56 PM »
hold on, so you are still denying that it is happening?

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Re: Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2013, 06:39:37 PM »
hold on, so you are still denying that it is happening?

hold on, I assume you are aware of the concept of TIME

did you bother looking at the dates when I made to statements

The story about the White House knowing this in advance was from TODAY

My comments are from the PAST couple of weeks

WTF ?

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Re: Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2013, 06:42:08 PM »
bump for those supporters of this bill to comment on this.

straw, lurker, blacken, andre, albert

Since when have I supported it?  My opinion on this is already well known.  Perhaps you might to try again Dumbo?

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Re: Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2013, 06:42:39 PM »
hold on, I assume you are aware of the concept of TIME

did you bother looking at the dates when I made to statements

The story about the White House knowing this in advance was from TODAY

My comments are from the PAST couple of weeks

WTF ?

ahhh I see so you no longer dispute that ppl are losing their current health care plans as a result of obamacare and that this was a logically forseeable even given the law and its effects?

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Re: Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2013, 06:43:58 PM »
Since when have I supported it?  My opinion on this is already well known.  Perhaps you might to try again Dumbo?
defending it is supporting it

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Re: Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2013, 06:45:05 PM »
defending it is supporting it

When I have defended it?  Please show me a link to that.

Really Dumbo, try to get your facts straight before lumping someone in a group.  I know it's hard for that tiny little brain of yours but at least try.

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Re: Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2013, 06:48:04 PM »
ahhh I see so you no longer dispute that ppl are losing their current health care plans as a result of obamacare and that this was a logically forseeable even given the law and its effects?

I didn't even dispute it a few weeks ago hence my statement that it was not looking good for Obama's comment

I've also stated that some of these people may well get better insurance and some may well get more expensive insurance

Either way, stop trying to stir up shit about people when you're just talking out of your ass

Like I said, you can still make the same point without trying to make false claims or just do your research first before making such claims




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Re: Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2013, 06:51:31 PM »
I didn't even dispute it a few weeks ago hence my statement that it was not looking good for Obama's comment

I've also stated that some of these people may well get better insurance and some may well get more expensive insurance

Either way, stop trying to stir up shit about people when you're just talking out of your ass

Like I said, you can still make the same point without trying to make false claims or just do your research first before making such claims
LOL you make it easy when you say stupid shit like defending graysons comparison of the tea party to the KKK.

but I retract my previous statements in regards to this subject...mark that down straw you always say I never admit when Im wrong or change my stance.

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Re: Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2013, 06:54:35 PM »
Haha at the sheeple trying to make excuses.

You pathetic pussies (read: StrawAnus and Lurker).