US Constitution: Our biggest problem

[Dos Equis]

the us govt took a page right out of goebbels' book. used the media to subdue the population and control them, throwing the hood over the horses head in a word and leading it along a path of idiocy and corruption. whats more is that the important shit isnt even reported. never do you hear of anything happening in a country outside of the us, on a us news station. if it does get reported, its all about what america is doing, or what americans died or disappeared or whatever.

usa is literally just as ethnocentric as china or north korea. the only difference is that WE live in this country, and are often too naive to realise it.

hilarious that more people cant see this, and that no one does anything about it. but then, whats to be done? thats the big question i think

This would be a stronger position before the information age. 

[Dos Equis]

and they only care about such things because of the right to free speech which allows such shit to be broadcast on the news instead of things that really do matter. catch 22 really. people wanna be entertained with retarded news stories, but everyone watches the news and takes it as thats whats important at that moment in time. the news is a tv show like anything else, entertainment only. its got us brainwashed just like hitler brainwashed the german people. funny thing is, people are too dumb to realise it because they've been brainwashed into thinking the USA are the good guys.

another catch 22.

fucking retarded right?

We ARE the good guys.   

[Core]

We ARE the good guys.   

dont be so naive. there are no good guys.

[RRKore]

This would be a stronger position before the information age. 

Still a pretty strong positition considering how many Fox News viewers there are, I'd think. 

Or are you of the opinion that a significant percentage of the Fox News crowd is paying attention to international news via the interwebs?

[Core]

Still a pretty strong positition considering how many Fox News viewers there are, I'd think. 

Or are you of the opinion that a significant percentage of the Fox News crowd is paying attention to international news via the interwebs?

with the population of the US being an aging one, and the aging ones being in charge... and making up most of the voeters too..... well you get my point i think. older folks watch the news, and they believe it. some dont, and im always happy to debate the various conspiracy theories out there.. but majority seem to follow the leader the leader being the news corps which are indirectly run by the govt. doesnt take a lot of thought to figure it out, its basically right there in front of our eyes

US learned a lot from the nazis, notice how we copy a lot of things from them. military tactics for one, weaponry even (m60 LMG very mechanically similar to the mg42 lmg from ww2), their missile programs.... nuclear stuff too I bet though we did beat them there I don't doubt that the germans had some great ideas we later improved upon after the war. propaganda is powerful stuff if youve been subjected to it your entire life guys. imprinted from birth most of us have been.

[Roger Bacon]

with the population of the US being an aging one, and the aging ones being in charge... and making up most of the voeters too..... well you get my point i think. older folks watch the news, and they believe it. some dont, and im always happy to debate the various conspiracy theories out there.. but majority seem to follow the leader the leader being the news corps which are indirectly run by the govt. doesnt take a lot of thought to figure it out, its basically right there in front of our eyes

US learned a lot from the nazis, notice how we copy a lot of things from them. military tactics for one, weaponry even (m60 LMG very mechanically similar to the mg42 lmg from ww2), their missile programs.... nuclear stuff too I bet though we did beat them there I don't doubt that the germans had some great ideas we later improved upon after the war. propaganda is powerful stuff if youve been subjected to it your entire life guys. imprinted from birth most of us have been.

Great post, like someone on here recently said... Goebbels would be proud

[Primemuscle]

We have a Constitution in place that was created in 1787 to mediate the social, cultural and economic circumstances of 1787.

Fast forward to today, 2014. Most lawyer teams have figured out the loopholes in the laws, and that which they can't get around of they get from the politicians.

System is corrupt to its core.

Do you agree on a large, HUGE, constitutional amendment?

Hmm....interesting proposition.

I do believe laws become outdated and in nearly 250 years, times have certainly changed. What worked then, may be obsolete today. However, wholesale changes to our constitution scares me too. If we have amendments, they are hopefully never going to be one huge one, but more nuanced. It seems like a lot of folks hang on to the concepts set in place all those years ago despite that it is a different world today.

One might say the same thing about the bible. Here we have a book that many believe to be gospel and others, like me think is more folklore. That being said, there are concepts in the bible which are basic to humankind and how we should interact with one another. I am a big believer in "do onto others as you would have them do onto you" for example.

My concern is that we never throw out the baby with the bath water. Some things are worth changing, others worth eliminating altogether and many concepts are worth keeping as well.

[Primemuscle]

dont be so naive. there are no good guys.

I am a good guy....just saying.

[Primemuscle]

with the population of the US being an aging one, and the aging ones being in charge... and making up most of the voeters too..... well you get my point i think. older folks watch the news, and they believe it. some dont, and im always happy to debate the various conspiracy theories out there.. but majority seem to follow the leader the leader being the news corps which are indirectly run by the govt. doesnt take a lot of thought to figure it out, its basically right there in front of our eyes

US learned a lot from the nazis, notice how we copy a lot of things from them. military tactics for one, weaponry even (m60 LMG very mechanically similar to the mg42 lmg from ww2), their missile programs.... nuclear stuff too I bet though we did beat them there I don't doubt that the germans had some great ideas we later improved upon after the war. propaganda is powerful stuff if youve been subjected to it your entire life guys. imprinted from birth most of us have been.

I am an old folk and I don't believe half of what I see on the news. Yes we elders vote. We aren't the majority. If you don't agree with how old folks vote, being a (supposedly) younger person, get out an vote too. Ever hear about how democracy works?

[Core]

No what I'm talking about are the other 90% of the adult population who DO believe the crap they are told. I can\'t tell you the amount of time's I've tried to explain how the system really works to adults and they just shake their head shrug at me not believing a word I say even if it is so very obvious and in plain sight what is really going on. It's like that guy we all know, who's girl is getting pounded by half the town and he's totally blind to it even if he walked into his house one day and heard her getting fucked by someone else he'd chalk it up to neighbors or her watching porn or something

[Mawse]

I am an old folk and I don't believe half of what I see on the news. Yes we elders vote. We aren't the majority. If you don't agree with how old folks vote, being a (supposedly) younger person, get out an vote too. Ever hear about how democracy works?

Didn't you just recently say you were involved in a campaign for democrats who turned around and fucked you right afterwards ?

Sounds like you should maybe stay clear of the ballot box if you're so easily fooled.

[Primemuscle]

Didn't you just recently say you were involved in a campaign for democrats who turned around and fucked you right afterwards ?

Sounds like you should maybe stay clear of the ballot box if you're so easily fooled.

Something like that.

John Albert Kitzhaber (born March 5, 1947) is the 37th and current Governor of Oregon. A member of the Democratic Party, Kitzhaber has served three nonconsecutive terms as Governor, from 1995 to 2003 and a third term since 2011. He also served in the Oregon House of Representatives and Oregon Senate, including as Senate president. He was also an emergency room surgeon and has worked as a health care administrator.

It was in this last term of office he reduced PERS benefits, supposedly to fund education and still meet the budget all the while giving Nike and other big corporations a big tax break. This is not what one normally expects from a democratic governor. He's made enemies out of many of his previous supporters. He is currently campaigning for a record 4th term as governor. I returned the letter he sent me seeking campaign contributions with an explanation as to exactly why this wasn't going to happen even if Hell did freeze over.

[George Whorewell]

The Constitution is perfectly fine as written. It is unquestionably the greatest and most enduring political document ever written. The problem is that in 2014, the Constitution is practically irrelevant. For 50 years it has been twisted, perverted and marginalized by our corrupt government.

[Dos Equis]

dont be so naive. there are no good guys.

Don't be so jaded.  We're the ones providing military and disaster relief assistance around the world.  We even help our enemies when disaster strikes.

[Dos Equis]

Still a pretty strong positition considering how many Fox News viewers there are, I'd think. 

Or are you of the opinion that a significant percentage of the Fox News crowd is paying attention to international news via the interwebs

I'm one if those people who thinks people who criticize Fox News and its viewers with a broad brush are usually uninformed simpletons or partisan hacks.

[RRKore]

I'm one if those people who thinks people who criticize Fox News and its viewers with a broad brush are usually uninformed simpletons or partisan hacks.

That's not particularly relevant when it comes to answering whether you think that many habitual Fox News viewers are taking advantage of the "Information Age" by following international news not being reported by Fox on the internet.  

That's OK if you don't have an opinion about this and simply don't want to speculate.

FWIW, though, I think that people who use the term "criticizing with a broad brush" are usually clumsy writers or careless hacks. lol

[Primemuscle]

I'm one if those people who thinks people who criticize Fox News and its viewers with a broad brush are usually uninformed simpletons or partisan hacks.

I am one of those people who believes if you get all you political information from Fox News you are a sheep blindly following the flock.

[avxo]

I am one of those people who believes if you get all you political information from Fox News you are a sheep blindly following the flock.

I am one of those people who believes that only stupid people choose to get all their information on any one subject from a single source.

[Primemuscle]

I am one of those people who believes that only stupid people choose to get all their information on any one subject from a single source.

We are two people with like minds then.

[Jack T. Cross]

You guys do that in the belief that the information is filtered through different agendas? (meaning that you will then be able to compare and weigh information between the sources, etc.)

[Dos Equis]

That's not particularly relevant when it comes to answering whether you think that many habitual Fox News viewers are taking advantage of the "Information Age" by following international news not being reported by Fox on the internet.  

That's OK if you don't have an opinion about this and simply don't want to speculate.

FWIW, though, I think that people who use the term "criticizing with a broad brush" are usually clumsy writers or careless hacks. lol

I have no idea whether "habitual Fox News viewers" check the internet for international news, but Fox News covers international news.  So do all the other networks.

[Dos Equis]

I am one of those people who believes if you get all you political information from Fox News you are a sheep blindly following the flock.

That's a pretty big overstatement. There are lots of older people who read one paper or watch a single news channel.  That by itself doesn't make them blind sheep. 

[avxo]

You guys do that in the belief that the information is filtered through different agendas? (meaning that you will then be able to compare and weigh information between the sources, etc.)

My reasoning is that the more information I have, the better equipped I am to make my own decisions, especially on a topic as important as politics; to me, it's no different than getting a second opinion from another doctor, car mechanic or contractor. I take all that information, along with information I was able to assemble myself, let it steep, and I reach a conclusion.

Being exposed to multiple viewpoints (even when those viewpoints come from people who have a known bias) is not very much in vogue today, but it is a good thing.

[Primemuscle]

That's a pretty big overstatement. There are lots of older people who read one paper or watch a single news channel.  That by itself doesn't make them blind sheep. 

Perhaps not, but it also doesn't provide them a very comprehensive view of things either.

As for the newspapers; unfortunately, newspapers are rapidly becoming history. Most papers today share the new stories. Few publish independently. This is why you'll see the same news items, in various papers, on the web and on television at any given time. The news media survives on the income they get from sponsors. The news, like most things is geared to appeal to the demographic that is likely to buy the products advertised on said media, be that a newspaper, magazine, the internet, or television.

[Dos Equis]

Perhaps not, but it also doesn't provide them a very comprehensive view of things either.

As for the newspapers; unfortunately, newspapers are rapidly becoming history. Most papers today share the new stories. Few publish independently. This is why you'll see the same news items, in various papers, on the web and on television at any given time. The news media survives on the income they get from sponsors. The news, like most things is geared to appeal to the demographic that is likely to buy the products advertised on said media, be that a newspaper, magazine, the internet, or television.

Depends on the paper and the station. 

Newspapers are an endangered species and they are yesterday's news, but they are still hanging in there, especially for old timers.