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Getbig Main Boards => General Topics => Topic started by: Primemuscle on February 10, 2012, 02:24:41 AM
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Since 2009 I have been on testosterone replacement therapy. There have been many positive outcomes of my being on this treatment. In terms of muscular development, I have experienced noticeable gains. And there is more. My mood is greatly improved as well. Unfortunately, I was recently diagnosed with prostate cancer. As a result, my doctor told me to discontinue the weekly self injections of testosterone cypionate. Apparently, injecting testosterone is like pouring gas on a fire.
One in six men get prostate cancer. Oh how I know that number; one in six men are homosexual too. Let me just say right here and now that being that sixth man sucks, big time. OK boys, have at me. Not only am I a bisexual statistic, now I am a prostate cancer statistic
Currently, I am leaning toward having a Da Vinci Prostatectomy. At last Friday's appointment, my doctor offered a variety of options; everything from watchful waiting to radical surgery. Maybe I am the ultimate optimist, but I am not ready to think about dying. Prostate cancer is generally very slow growing. The biopsy indicates that my cancer is confined to the prostate and is not aggressive (therefore slow growing). Since I am an otherwise healthy person, there seems to be no reason not to take an aggressive approach to ridding my body of the cancer via surgery with the exception of the side effects (which I'm not going into here).
Let me just say that from what i suspect, most of the male posters here believe they are too young to be so afflicted. However, as I have researched this condition some, I discovered that some men have been diagnosed with prostrate cancer are in their late thirties. So since early detection is advantageous, I highly recommend that all you fellows consider adding PSA (prostrate specific androgen) to your annual labs. Although not the most definitive measure of one having prostrate cancer, it is currently the best early detection method available.
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I'm sorry to hear that mate. My best wishes for recovery. I hope you beat it.
da vinci is the surgery robot isn't it? Recovery from that type of surgery is documented to be much faster than conventional surgery.
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My HRT doctor had me take finasteride...he has the belief that finasteride put some odds in your favor against developing prostate cancer...I looked up the literature and while this belief is not universal in the medical community...a significant number think that finasteride taken prophylacticaly will help with the odds.
Watchfull waiting?...Bah! get that thing yanked out as quickly as you can...
Watchful waiting is like being a little bit pregnant...Just a tiny little bit of cancer...insignificant.
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my dad had it and so did his father. i am bracing for it.
going to suck but whatever.
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What were the signs Primemuscle that made you suspicious in the first place?
wish you a full recovery
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youre a bodybuilder, you will destroy it
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Get well mate - not a nice thing to go through - can I have your script :D
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What were the signs Primemuscle that made you suspicious in the first place?
wish you a full recovery
hard to piss
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best of luck to you, godspeed
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One in six men get prostate cancer. Oh how I know that number; one in six men are homosexual too. Let me just say right here and now that being that sixth man sucks, big time. OK boys, have at me. Not only am I a bisexual statistic, now I am a prostate cancer statistic
are you implying there is a link between each of the one in six?
I manymore men die from prostate cancer than women from breast cancer. One of the main reasons for this is that women are more likely to check themselves and more likely to seek help earlier. It is also the case that particularly for men over 60 eostrogen treatment is often preferable to surgery.
With early diagnosis and treatment recovery and remission are higher than many other cancers.
Good luck with your treatment god speed recovery
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Hope you recover swiftly - good luck!
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Thats tough bud all the best with the treatment, ive know a couple of relations that have died of that, nasty business all round, hopefully they have caught it early..all the best to you.
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Sorry to hear that bro, I wish you all the best and keep that positive attitude!
I know how life can throw curveballs sometimes, recently I got diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis which is a bummer - but thank God I can still train and work at the moment (just can't walk too far at mo plus load of other crap lol)
Keep your head up and don't underestimate the power of diet & excercise to help with the surgery
BigC
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One of the main reasons for this is that women are more likely to check themselves and more likely to seek help earlier.
It's also because it's in your ass. Tits are right out in front. I'm convinced that women play with them every chance they get. Tits, I mean. Not prostates.
It is also the case that particularly for men over 60 eostrogen treatment is often preferable to surgery.
Thought I read that some docs were blaming estrogen for BPH and cancer.
Also wishing for a good outcome for you Prime.
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So sorry to hear that...................h oping for a speedy recovery for you.
Stay strong.
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Good luck man. Im sure you will go through it. :)
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Horrible, horrible news. Statistically this form of cancer has some of the highest survival rates though. De Niro had it in 2003.
All the best with your recovery - you will recover my friend!
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Horrible, horrible news. Statistically this form of cancer has some of the highest survival rates though. De Niro had it in 2003.
All the best with your recovery - you will recover my friend!
Imagine De Niro looking at the doctor and saying "Are you talking to me?"
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Imagine De Niro looking at the doctor and saying "Are you talking to me?"
lol. Would be pretty intense, no doubt.
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That is horrible news!!
Just when you were getting good gains & felling good in your skin because of the HRT, you have to have this happen.
I hate getting older, I wish I could have frozen the clock at 35.
What about GH??
Is that also like putting petrol on the fire if you have prostate cancer ???
PT
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Sorry to hear that, I hope all turns out well.
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when this is all over we are taking a cruise with the whole getbig family Prime.
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Best wishes on you.
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I hope you beat this quick. That's tough news to hear.
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Prime, 2 yrs ago I was diagnosed with prostate cancer. I had a sign that I ignored for almost 2 yrs. When I finally realized it was not what I thought it was (self diagnosis) I went and had a PSA. My PSA was PERFECT. The urologist then did a digital exam, I think he had a size 20 ring finger. He felt a mass on my prostate. They ran this big thing in my ass and it first had needles that came out and shot stuff into my prostate to deaden it, about 8 shots and I felt every one. Then this little claw thing comes out and it pulls out pieces of the prostate to look for cancer. It pulled 18 samples and I felt every one of them. Got the call about a week later. All samples had cancer. Everyone- keep in mind that 20% of prostate cancer diagnosis have perfect PSA test results.
In the surgery they went in from the front and totally removed my prostate. For those who don't know this your prostate creates semen and also holds back your piss. So I had a catheter for a month, then in diapers for another 3 months, then a "guard" like a pad for about 4-5 more months.
I had a healing complication as well. The 5" long incision blew open after I got home from getting the staples out and I had an opening above my cock that was 5" long, 1 1/2" wide, and 1' deep. My wife had to pack it 2x a day with sterile water and gauze. It was so fucking gross. First time I looked at it in the mirror I passed out. Two weeks after that I had surgery to close it again.
My urologist knows I juice. He said that the test did not cause the cancer, but he said it definitely speeded up the growth of it.
Good luck buddy and if you want to talk about it or anything please PM me. As you can tell I am not ashamed of it.
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Prime, 2 yrs ago I was diagnosed with prostate cancer. I had a sign that I ignored for almost 2 yrs. When I finally realized it was not what I thought it was (self diagnosis) I went and had a PSA. My PSA was PERFECT. The urologist then did a digital exam, I think he had a size 20 ring finger. He felt a mass on my prostate. They ran this big thing in my ass and it first had needles that came out and shot stuff into my prostate to deaden it, about 8 shots and I felt every one. Then this little claw thing comes out and it pulls out pieces of the prostate to look for cancer. It pulled 18 samples and I felt every one of them. Got the call about a week later. All samples had cancer. Everyone- keep in mind that 20% of prostate cancer diagnosis have perfect PSA test results.
In the surgery they went in from the front and totally removed my prostate. For those who don't know this your prostate creates semen and also holds back your piss. So I had a catheter for a month, then in diapers for another 3 months, then a "guard" like a pad for about 4-5 more months.
I had a healing complication as well. The 5" long incision blew open after I got home from getting the staples out and I had an opening above my cock that was 5" long, 1 1/2" wide, and 1' deep. My wife had to pack it 2x a day with sterile water and gauze. It was so fucking gross. First time I looked at it in the mirror I passed out. Two weeks after that I had surgery to close it again.
My urologist knows I juice. He said that the test did not cause the cancer, but he said it definitely speeded up the growth of it.
Good luck buddy and if you want to talk about it or anything please PM me. As you can tell I am not ashamed of it.
What was this sign? Just curious..
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What was this sign? Just curious..
Everytime he peed a big green monster came out and shouted "Boooooo!"
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What was this sign? Just curious..
2 signs but from the same reason. When I would sit on the toilet and strain to shit a little bit of blood would seep out and drop into the toilet. Also once in a while when I would nut there would be a little trace of blood in the cum, notice that when I would give the wife a facial or on the tits or ass. (Hey, I like that ok) I research on the web and when they talked about the blood in the semen basically all of them said it was a busted or inflammed seminal artery. So I dealt with it and tried to ignore it. It started getting worse. By the time I went the blood was dripping during straining to shit pretty bad. And the reason the blood was coming out was due to the tumor pushing on something, I don't remember now. But when I researched it 2 yrs ago the majority of the sites said not to worry it is not prostate cancer. I just looked and many read different now. :-\ I hope this helps Meso and I hope you or anyone you care about has to go through it.
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Everytime he peed a big green monster came out and shouted "Boooooo!"
I totally expected a 2 yr old to chime in.
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Sorry to hear about this OP...also gym rat and Big Cyp and all w/health issues.
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I totally expected a 2 yr old to chime in.
Hey sorry bro, not trying to undermine the subject. I'm in a bit of a daze myself at the moment was told I have MS 2 weeks back :-[
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Hey sorry bro, not trying to undermine the subject. I'm in a bit of a daze myself at the moment was told I have MS 2 weeks back :-[
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Would you please share some of your symptoms that prompted you to go to the doc?
If OP wants we could start a diff thread or PM
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sucks for you bro, good luck
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I notice when Iam on heavy androgen cycle my prostate are inflamed and painful to piss, some times I got painful precum coming after urination
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Prime, 2 yrs ago I was diagnosed with prostate cancer. I had a sign that I ignored for almost 2 yrs. When I finally realized it was not what I thought it was (self diagnosis) I went and had a PSA. My PSA was PERFECT. The urologist then did a digital exam, I think he had a size 20 ring finger. He felt a mass on my prostate. They ran this big thing in my ass and it first had needles that came out and shot stuff into my prostate to deaden it, about 8 shots and I felt every one. Then this little claw thing comes out and it pulls out pieces of the prostate to look for cancer. It pulled 18 samples and I felt every one of them. Got the call about a week later. All samples had cancer. Everyone- keep in mind that 20% of prostate cancer diagnosis have perfect PSA test results.
In the surgery they went in from the front and totally removed my prostate. For those who don't know this your prostate creates semen and also holds back your piss. So I had a catheter for a month, then in diapers for another 3 months, then a "guard" like a pad for about 4-5 more months.
I had a healing complication as well. The 5" long incision blew open after I got home from getting the staples out and I had an opening above my cock that was 5" long, 1 1/2" wide, and 1' deep. My wife had to pack it 2x a day with sterile water and gauze. It was so fucking gross. First time I looked at it in the mirror I passed out. Two weeks after that I had surgery to close it again.
My urologist knows I juice. He said that the test did not cause the cancer, but he said it definitely speeded up the growth of it.
Good luck buddy and if you want to talk about it or anything please PM me. As you can tell I am not ashamed of it.
I read anabolic steroids were created because the straight testoterone used by the Russian weight lifters caused prostate enlargement. Anabolic steroids was created to limit the androgen properties of steroids while increasing the anabolic properties.
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My dad had it, Ill probably have it, he went with invasive surgery and hes much better now.
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Did the doctor say whether constantly having penile tissue wedged up against your prostate inflamed it?
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Would you please share some of your symptoms that prompted you to go to the doc?
If OP wants we could start a diff thread or PM
Started with terrible headaches, and double vision (no history of headaches) was in hosp for a week as they said my 'intercranial pressure was high' and my pulse dropped to 38bpm (lol). After that I got hot sensations all over my body like someone was holding a lighter near my hand/leg etc (have one now actually)
First I thought it was just linked to a migraine (apparently you can have these for months) and then some of my muscles would move on their own accord (tricep one looked pretty cool) and my fingers on left hand move side to side constantly.
Then I started limping after only walking a block or two, to a few weeks later both my legs practically go numb after I walk 1 mile or so and have to rest before heading back. Had MRI on brain but only showed 1 lesion, so had MRI on spine (as when I move my neck get electrical shock down spine and into feet - bad sign apparently) and thats when got diagnosis.
I got great wife and kids though so can't complain, and I am still working full time & squatting hard/training 4 times a week so I thank God for that :)
Because the disease started in my spine, basically I could end up in a wheelchair in future but I'm not type of guy to hope for the worst - MS is just a tiny tit like the rest of those little shits and I will be damned if it stops me enjoying life to the max!
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Your stats are a bit misleading prime. The older you get, the chances become around 50% of men, it is directly proportional to age.
I would be careful to the watch and see approach as prostate generally spreads to bone first in which is an extremely painful disease.
Depending on your Gleason score and your PSA levels I would strongly suggest looking into radiotherpay seed inplants....it it a scary looking procedure but side effects and cure rate are great.
Please feel free to PM me any questions as this is what I do for a living, other than watching this site for entertainment!
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Did the doctor say whether constantly having penile tissue wedged up against your prostate inflamed it?
Fuck off stenchofboner ::)
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Your stats are a bit misleading prime. The older you get, the chances become around 50% of men, it is directly proportional to age.
I would be careful to the watch and see approach as prostate generally spreads to bone first in which is an extremely painful disease.
Depending on your Gleason score and your PSA levels I would strongly suggest looking into radiotherpay seed inplants....it it a scary looking procedure but side effects and cure rate are great.
Please feel free to PM me any questions as this is what I do for a living, other than watching this site for entertainment!
PMing you...
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Would you please share some of your symptoms that prompted you to go to the doc?
If OP wants we could start a diff thread or PM
Frequency of urination, struggling to have a bowel movement.
Men past 50 should get PSA and a digital exam regular, many times men can have enlarged prostates due to inflamation that can also cause these symtoms!
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Started with terrible headaches, and double vision (no history of headaches) was in hosp for a week as they said my 'intercranial pressure was high' and my pulse dropped to 38bpm (lol). After that I got hot sensations all over my body like someone was holding a lighter near my hand/leg etc (have one now actually)
First I thought it was just linked to a migraine (apparently you can have these for months) and then some of my muscles would move on their own accord (tricep one looked pretty cool) and my fingers on left hand move side to side constantly.
Then I started limping after only walking a block or two, to a few weeks later both my legs practically go numb after I walk 1 mile or so and have to rest before heading back. Had MRI on brain but only showed 1 lesion, so had MRI on spine (as when I move my neck get electrical shock down spine and into feet - bad sign apparently) and thats when got diagnosis.
I got great wife and kids though so can't complain, and I am still working full time & squatting hard/training 4 times a week so I thank God for that :)
Because the disease started in my spine, basically I could end up in a wheelchair in future but I'm not type of guy to hope for the worst - MS is just a tiny tit like the rest of those little shits and I will be damned if it stops me enjoying life to the max!
Dude,I`m so sorry to hear this.
Stay strong and kick it in the ass.
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Back to you Metabolic.
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Did the doctor say whether constantly having penile tissue wedged up against your prostate inflamed it?
Classy. ::)
PM. Good luck, bro. Glad they caught it early.
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Dude,I`m so sorry to hear this.
Stay strong and kick it in the ass.
Hey thanks Wes, it's all good though - Next time i'm pulling 4 plates a side off the floor I can look at the tit giving me the MMA evils, and be satisfied that i'm doing ma best regardless! :D
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Hey thanks Wes, it's all good though - Next time i'm pulling 4 plates a side off the floor I can look at the tit giving me the MMA evils, and be satisfied that i'm doing ma best regardless! :D
There you go brother........a positive attitude goes a long fucking way!!
Good luck,and all the best!
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Started with terrible headaches, and double vision (no history of headaches) was in hosp for a week as they said my 'intercranial pressure was high' and my pulse dropped to 38bpm (lol). After that I got hot sensations all over my body like someone was holding a lighter near my hand/leg etc (have one now actually)
First I thought it was just linked to a migraine (apparently you can have these for months) and then some of my muscles would move on their own accord (tricep one looked pretty cool) and my fingers on left hand move side to side constantly.
Then I started limping after only walking a block or two, to a few weeks later both my legs practically go numb after I walk 1 mile or so and have to rest before heading back. Had MRI on brain but only showed 1 lesion, so had MRI on spine (as when I move my neck get electrical shock down spine and into feet - bad sign apparently) and thats when got diagnosis.
I got great wife and kids though so can't complain, and I am still working full time & squatting hard/training 4 times a week so I thank God for that :)
Because the disease started in my spine, basically I could end up in a wheelchair in future but I'm not type of guy to hope for the worst - MS is just a tiny tit like the rest of those little shits and I will be damned if it stops me enjoying life to the max!
you're an inspiration bro.
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Your stats are a bit misleading prime. The older you get, the chances become around 50% of men, it is directly proportional to age.
I would be careful to the watch and see approach as prostate generally spreads to bone first in which is an extremely painful disease.
Depending on your Gleason score and your PSA levels I would strongly suggest looking into radiotherpay seed inplants....it it a scary looking procedure but side effects and cure rate are great.
Please feel free to PM me any questions as this is what I do for a living, other than watching this site for entertainment!
A person I know of is going with the seed implants rather than complete prostatectomy. He has a much younger partner with whom he got together only a few months before he was diagnosed, so he is keen to not be rendered impotent.
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And here I was this morning feeling sorry for myself...........it can always be worse.
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A person I know if is going with the seed implants rather than complete prostatectomy. He has a much younger partner with whom he got together only a few months before he was diagnosed, so he is keen to not be rendered impotent.
With seeds, you will buy some time before the Ol' sex drive is gone....complete prostatectomy, well, lets just say, "Not good"!
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you're an inspiration bro.
Thanks man, thats a real encouragement.
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With seeds, you will buy some time before the Ol' sex drive is gone....complete prostatectomy, well, lets just say, "Not good"!
Check my response when you have time bro. :D
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Started with terrible headaches, and double vision (no history of headaches) was in hosp for a week as they said my 'intercranial pressure was high' and my pulse dropped to 38bpm (lol). After that I got hot sensations all over my body like someone was holding a lighter near my hand/leg etc (have one now actually)
First I thought it was just linked to a migraine (apparently you can have these for months) and then some of my muscles would move on their own accord (tricep one looked pretty cool) and my fingers on left hand move side to side constantly.
Then I started limping after only walking a block or two, to a few weeks later both my legs practically go numb after I walk 1 mile or so and have to rest before heading back. Had MRI on brain but only showed 1 lesion, so had MRI on spine (as when I move my neck get electrical shock down spine and into feet - bad sign apparently) and thats when got diagnosis.
I got great wife and kids though so can't complain, and I am still working full time & squatting hard/training 4 times a week so I thank God for that :)
Because the disease started in my spine, basically I could end up in a wheelchair in future but I'm not type of guy to hope for the worst - MS is just a tiny tit like the rest of those little shits and I will be damned if it stops me enjoying life to the max!
Damn man, I really do you wish all the best. I don't know much about MS but hopefully you'll have plenty time left to lead a happy/productive life.
That aside, I heard that now Pillowbiter saw this thread he immediately dressed up in pink cumstained latex and drove to the nearest Kenyan doctor and DEMANDED that they shove the biggest possible inanimate object up his prolapsed anus to check for "irregularities"!! The doctor instead suggested using his finger but before he could even get up from his chair Pillowbiter had already straddled the floor mounted air-conditioner!!!
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I wish you the best with your recovery.... prostate cancer exists in my family history so I guess I have to be cautious as I get older.
Just out of curiosity did the doctor mention any precautionary measures you could've taken, aside from the test speeding it up are there any other causes?
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Sorry to hear that best wishes keep your head up
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Damn man, I really do you wish all the best. I don't know much about MS but hopefully you'll have plenty time left to lead a happy/productive life.
That aside, I heard that now Pillowbiter saw this thread he immediately dressed up in pink cumstained latex and drove to the nearest Kenyan doctor and DEMANDED that they shove the biggest possible inanimate object up his prolapsed anus to check for "irregularities"!! The doctor instead suggested using his finger but before he could even get up from his chair Pillowbiter had already straddled the floor mounted air-conditioner!!!
;D
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Started with terrible headaches, and double vision (no history of headaches) was in hosp for a week as they said my 'intercranial pressure was high' and my pulse dropped to 38bpm (lol). After that I got hot sensations all over my body like someone was holding a lighter near my hand/leg etc (have one now actually)
First I thought it was just linked to a migraine (apparently you can have these for months) and then some of my muscles would move on their own accord (tricep one looked pretty cool) and my fingers on left hand move side to side constantly.
Then I started limping after only walking a block or two, to a few weeks later both my legs practically go numb after I walk 1 mile or so and have to rest before heading back. Had MRI on brain but only showed 1 lesion, so had MRI on spine (as when I move my neck get electrical shock down spine and into feet - bad sign apparently) and thats when got diagnosis.
I got great wife and kids though so can't complain, and I am still working full time & squatting hard/training 4 times a week so I thank God for that :)
Because the disease started in my spine, basically I could end up in a wheelchair in future but I'm not type of guy to hope for the worst - MS is just a tiny tit like the rest of those little shits and I will be damned if it stops me enjoying life to the max!
Thank you for this information!
Was the limping due to pain and if so, where is the pain located?
Did you ever have what feels like an almost constant electrical shock (not painful) in your shoulder that comes and goes and can last for days?
Also, the muscles moving on their own accord..did that ever happen in your quads close to the knee?
Thanks for sharing and thanks to Dr. Ill for his posts here as well.
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praying for a quick recovery for you
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His age, stage, PSA, Gleason score all are factors in what his best choice is.
What I mean by time is this. If he has his prostate removed, at that point, his sex drive will be gone. He will no longer be able to take any hormones what so ever that can push his PSA up. With seeds, again dependent on factors and his levels all ready, his drive will be affected but how much is the key? Once diagnosed with this disease, there is no more test in these gentleman. I have seen cases where men get pumps and such and keep going on like normal, then there are other cases where the men have no interest at all after their treatments, especially men that take Lupron and other testerone blockers.
I have not seen a case to where the gentleman did the seeds procedure and then had to have his prostate removed. I have seen it return, but not very often. Most men that are canidates for seeds, survival is in the 95% range for 5 years.
And my pleasure Butterbean, hope any info helps.
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get well. should we really take saw palmetto? does it work?
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Quick recovery brother. And it wouldn't hurt to get yourself on an all Alkaline diet for good. Throw in some water and juice fasts in there and take what your doctor says with a grain of salt and do your own research. Half these doctors are out to kill us all.
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Primemuscle, I am so sorry to hear about your diagnosis. I am positive that you can beat this though :)!
Here is a link that may be beneficial to the other male posters. It concerns whey protein and how it MAY prevent prostate cancer.
http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20030529/whey-protein-may-prevent-prostate-cancer (http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20030529/whey-protein-may-prevent-prostate-cancer)
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Thank you for this information!
Was the limping due to pain and if so, where is the pain located?
Did you ever have what feels like an almost constant electrical shock (not painful) in your shoulder that comes and goes and can last for days?
Also, the muscles moving on their own accord..did that ever happen in your quads close to the knee?
Thanks for sharing and thanks to Dr. Ill for his posts here as well.
No worries dude, bit tied up at the mo but will PM you on Mon,
BigC
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What were the signs Primemuscle that made you suspicious in the first place?
wish you a full recovery
No symptoms really. Fortunately, because I have been on TRT for the better part of the last three years, my urologist has been monitoring my PSA (prostate specific antigen) numbers very closely. When the results showed the PSA climbing, we first thought it was because I'd both stopped taking Proscar and started TRT. Both of these things can change one's PSA, but then so can a raft of other things too.
Obviously, I have stopped the TRT. Testosterone may not cause prostate cancer but it supposedly can make it more aggressive if you already have it.
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All joking aside, I consider Getbig a close knit community. We come here to escape real life. Prime, You will beat this, don't worry.
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hard to piss
This has not been a problem for me, although my prostate is enlarged. I still pee like a horse according to my wife....now if I could just be hung like a horse all would be great! LOL.
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You seem in good spirits Prime....stay positive bud,we are all hoping for the best. :)
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are you implying there is a link between each of the one in six?
I manymore men die from prostate cancer than women from breast cancer. One of the main reasons for this is that women are more likely to check themselves and more likely to seek help earlier. It is also the case that particularly for men over 60 eostrogen treatment is often preferable to surgery.
With early diagnosis and treatment recovery and remission are higher than many other cancers.
Good luck with your treatment god speed recovery
Nope. I was kind of making a joke about it. Not going to lose my good humor over some shitty cancer.
One of the reasons I decided to post this here is because men tend not to talk about these things much. As a result, like you said, many men are not proactive about their health and often prostate cancer goes undetected until it advanced into other areas making it harder to treat.
My doctor included chemical castration (estrogen) in the list of options for treating the cancer. This just doesn't seem like something I want to do. I am definitely not pretty enough to become a girl. LOL! Also, although I am 67 years old, I am otherwise very healthy. There is no reason to expect I wouldn't do well with surgery.
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That is horrible news!!
Just when you were getting good gains & felling good in your skin because of the HRT, you have to have this happen.
I hate getting older, I wish I could have frozen the clock at 35.
What about GH??
Is that also like putting petrol on the fire if you have prostate cancer ???
PT
I am not sure what the effects of GH would be on this type of cancer or any other cancer.
Yeah, getting old has its drawbacks that is for sure. But, it is unfortunately unavoidable. Everyone gets old unless they die young and that doesn't seem like a great option to me. My life is generally really good. I am not thinking about ending it anytime soon.
-Only stopped the testosterone shots a week ago. So far, I don't feel any different. Actually, my libido has improved some, which is unexpected. My muscles aren't shrinking away or anything yet. ;)
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Have you got a second and third opinion just to be sure? Iatrogenesis is the third leading cause of death (although could be second or first even) in America.
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Nope. I was kind of making a joke about it. Not going to lose my good humor over some shitty cancer.
One of the reasons I decided to post this here is because men tend not to talk about these things much. As a result, like you said, many men are not proactive about their health and often prostate cancer goes undetected until it advanced into other areas making it harder to treat.
My doctor included chemical castration (estrogen) in the list of options for treating the cancer. This just doesn't seem like something I want to do. I am definitely not pretty enough to become a girl. LOL! Also, although I am 67 years old, I am otherwise very healthy. There is no reason to expect I wouldn't do well with surgery.
Sad to learn you have it, glad to know you caught it as early as possible, considering.
You're right that most men don't want to talk about this, and this is often fatal. My father ignored the symptoms for years until he had mets to lungs, liver, and bone. The lung mets developed to the point that he needed to be hospitalized and, whaddya know - diagnosed with stage IV PC!
Stay on top of it; educate yourself; keep your family involved; and keep us jackballs up to date.
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Prime, 2 yrs ago I was diagnosed with prostate cancer. I had a sign that I ignored for almost 2 yrs. When I finally realized it was not what I thought it was (self diagnosis) I went and had a PSA. My PSA was PERFECT. The urologist then did a digital exam, I think he had a size 20 ring finger. He felt a mass on my prostate. They ran this big thing in my ass and it first had needles that came out and shot stuff into my prostate to deaden it, about 8 shots and I felt every one. Then this little claw thing comes out and it pulls out pieces of the prostate to look for cancer. It pulled 18 samples and I felt every one of them. Got the call about a week later. All samples had cancer. Everyone- keep in mind that 20% of prostate cancer diagnosis have perfect PSA test results.
In the surgery they went in from the front and totally removed my prostate. For those who don't know this your prostate creates semen and also holds back your piss. So I had a catheter for a month, then in diapers for another 3 months, then a "guard" like a pad for about 4-5 more months.
I had a healing complication as well. The 5" long incision blew open after I got home from getting the staples out and I had an opening above my cock that was 5" long, 1 1/2" wide, and 1' deep. My wife had to pack it 2x a day with sterile water and gauze. It was so fucking gross. First time I looked at it in the mirror I passed out. Two weeks after that I had surgery to close it again.
My urologist knows I juice. He said that the test did not cause the cancer, but he said it definitely speeded up the growth of it.
Good luck buddy and if you want to talk about it or anything please PM me. As you can tell I am not ashamed of it.
Great post! That's the thing, isn't it? Prostate cancer is nothing to be ashamed of.
At this point I have 90% made up my mind to have the Da Vinci prostatectomy. It is far less invasive than the radical prostatectomy that you had. Instead of a 5" incision, with this robotic surgery the doctor makes five tiny incisions just about big enough to allow a pencil to fit in. Apparently the robot's "fingers" are really small.
Are you still juicing? My doctor indicated to me that I should stay off TRT for a least a year following the surgery and only after a year of no cancer and no elevated PSA results could be talk about resuming TRT. Frankly depending on how crappy I feel not taking testosterone, I may just give it up anyway. After being off test for a week, I don't feel any different....yet.
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Great post! That's the thing, isn't it? Prostate cancer is nothing to be ashamed of.
At this point I have 90% made up my mind to have the Da Vinci prostatectomy. It is far less invasive than the radical prostatectomy that you had. Instead of a 5" incision, with this robotic surgery the doctor makes five tiny incisions just about big enough to allow a pencil to fit in. Apparently the robot's "fingers" are really small.
Are you still juicing? My doctor indicated to me that I should stay off TRT for a least a year following the surgery and only after a year of no cancer and no elevated PSA results could be talk about resuming TRT. Frankly depending on how crappy I feel not taking testosterone, I may just give it up anyway. After being off test for a week, I don't feel any different....yet.
Have you also looked to reducing body fat to very low levels and caloric restriction to retard cancer cells? Many new studies are promising regarding this approach.
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This has not been a problem for me, although my prostate is enlarged. I still pee like a horse according to my wife....now if I could just be hung like a horse all would be great! LOL.
how much fluids would you say you drink each day? do you wake up to pee more than once each night?
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how much fluids would you say you drink each day? do you wake up to pee more than once each night?
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just go get a check up Earl.
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Did the doctor say whether constantly having penile tissue wedged up against your prostate inflamed it?
You know, he didn't mention that. But then, I've heard that massaging the prostate is actually good for it. Apparently there is some device you can get to do that. Personally, I can hardly take it when the doctor sticks his finger in my ass to check the prostate. -Can not imagine have anything bigger stuck up there.
As someone else mentioned, a prostate biopsy is pretty uncomfortable. I didn't actually look at the equipment the doctor uses to do that but I can guarantee you that it isn't fun.
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Great post! That's the thing, isn't it? Prostate cancer is nothing to be ashamed of.
At this point I have 90% made up my mind to have the Da Vinci prostatectomy. It is far less invasive than the radical prostatectomy that you had. Instead of a 5" incision, with this robotic surgery the doctor makes five tiny incisions just about big enough to allow a pencil to fit in. Apparently the robot's "fingers" are really small.
Are you still juicing? My doctor indicated to me that I should stay off TRT for a least a year following the surgery and only after a year of no cancer and no elevated PSA results could be talk about resuming TRT. Frankly depending on how crappy I feel not taking testosterone, I may just give it up anyway. After being off test for a week, I don't feel any different....yet.
Yes I am back on test and also hgh. They have declared me cancer free after 2 years of blood work. My urologist is the one that gives me the script for the test cyp. I wish I could have had the robotic surgery but since my was so saturated with cancer there was no choice. I am not ashamed of it either, I beat it, it didn't beat me. I am one of the lucky ones and stil get harder than a rake handle. Yea no money shot comes out but the feeling of nutting is absolutely no different. And there is no mess to clean up. The bitch the whole time was controlling the piss. You should not have that problem. Definitley keep me posted and if you want talk about it let me know.
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You know, he didn't mention that. But then, I've heard that massaging the prostate is actually good for it. Apparently there is some device you can get to do that. Personally, I can hardly take it when the doctor sticks his finger in my ass to check the prostate. -Can not imagine have anything bigger stuck up there.
As someone else mentioned, a prostate biopsy is pretty uncomfortable. I didn't actually look at the equipment the doctor uses to do that but I can guarantee you that it isn't fun.
1st hand I can tell you it is like a truck driving up your ass then shooting a machine gun in it. Here is what was used on me. Little needles and a claw that pulls out pieces to test comes out of this thing! Still freaks me out after a little over 2 years to look at this picture.
(http://www.sciencephoto.com/image/82458/large/C0018057-Prostate_biopsy_ultrasound_equipment-SPL.jpg)
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feel better -you will beat this!
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sorry to hear this bro. A highly treatable disease tho. Youre going to beat this, I have no doubt :)
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1st hand I can tell you it is like a truck driving up your ass then shooting a machine gun in it. Here is what was used on me. Little needles and a claw that pulls out pieces to test comes out of this thing! Still freaks me out after a little over 2 years to look at this picture.
(http://www.sciencephoto.com/image/82458/large/C0018057-Prostate_biopsy_ultrasound_equipment-SPL.jpg)
lmao there's no way that's an off the walmart shelf condom on a piece of medical equipment worth a fortune. It looks ridiculous hahaha
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My ass hurts reading this thread, good luck man
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lmao there's no way that's an off the walmart shelf condom on a piece of medical equipment worth a fortune. It looks ridiculous hahaha
No it is not a condom. It is just a plastic wrapper for it. Inside the wrapper there is about an inch of lube on that fucker. I felt like I had a pound of bubble gum in my ass for a week after they put that in there. I really have no clue how gays do that shit. I am still traumatized.
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I wish you the best with your recovery.... prostate cancer exists in my family history so I guess I have to be cautious as I get older.
Just out of curiosity did the doctor mention any precautionary measures you could've taken, aside from the test speeding it up are there any other causes?
Having a prostate (being a guy) and age are the main causes of prostate cancer as best as anyone knows. There are some folk who believe diet can cause cancer, including prostate cancer. While many men end up with prostate cancer at some point in their lives, most men die of some other disease before they die from prostate cancer. However, one should not ignore regular check ups and the value of having their PSA checked.
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Prime,
I wish you the very best!
You will get through this..
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how much fluids would you say you drink each day? do you wake up to pee more than once each night?
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I drink a lot of fluids every day. When I drink too much coffee or alcohol, I pee more often. It is rare that I get up during the night to pee and I always down two big glasses of water right before going to bed to avoid any dehydration overnight. As far as urinary problems the only issue I ever have is with a strong urge to go and not much ability to wait once I have the urge. I've pulled the car over to the side of the road and peed in the gutter on a couple of occasions.
The doctor thought that my strong urge to pee might be somehow related to my having an enlarged prostate. He didn't mention it having anything to do with my having prostate cancer.
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Have you also looked to reducing body fat to very low levels and caloric restriction to retard cancer cells? Many new studies are promising regarding this approach.
Frankly, I don't have much body fat to reduce. While I'm hardly skin and bones, I am also not at all fat. I could be more muscular though. ;D
As for diet, I am not great about following strict diets where I would have to cut out the things I like to eat, such as cheese, butter, red meat, wine and the too occasional scotch. Life is too short in my book to give up the things you like to eat. If I had issues with being overweight, I'd simply cut back on the quantity of what I ate. As it is, I may eat rich foods but I am not necessarily a big eater. So far today all I've had to eat is a cup of Greek yogurt, a glass of orange juice and a Chai Latte and it is 4:30 p.m. Of course, I slept in until almost noon today so I have only been awake a little over 4 hours. I'm a night owl.
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Thought I read that some docs were blaming estrogen for BPH and cancer.
My HRT doctor believed this too...his reasoning is that if testosterone caused prostate cancer,...It would be much more prevalent in younger men...however once it's there, testosterone stimulates it as it were.
Frank Zappa and Bill Bixby died of prostate cancer.
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yeah i heard high estrogen levels or an imbalance of androgens to estrogen is the culprit.
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I've been working with these guys and supporting them (My Mother is one of their volunteers too) after my Dad lost his 10 year battle with prostate cancer. They do a fantastic job and have amazing advice available too.
http://www.prostate-cancer.org.uk/
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I've been working with these guys and supporting them (My Mother is one of their volunteers too) after my Dad lost his 10 year battle with prostate cancer. They do a fantastic job and have amazing advice available too.
http://www.prostate-cancer.org.uk/
Thanks for the link Trev. I promote and work the Prostate cancer walks here in my town. We had a survivor picture taken last year and I was about 20-25 yrs younger than anyone else in the pciture.
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No worries dude, bit tied up at the mo but will PM you on Mon,
BigC
Thanks broham 8)
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My HRT doctor believed this too...his reasoning is that if testosterone caused prostate cancer,...It would be much more prevalent in younger men...however once it's there, testosterone stimulates it as it were.
Frank Zappa and Bill Bixby died of prostate cancer.
The over whelming amount of information on prostate cancer is that there's a testosterone component. They give anti testosterone drugs to many guys that have cancer or enlarged prostate. The reason it doesn't happen in young men is because it's slow moving over a life time. The problem with prostate cancer is if it spreads. That's when it's deadly.
As I posted before, anabolic steroids were created because the straight testosterone Olympic lifters used caused prostate problems in high doses back in the late 50's. The russians that had so much success using testosterone had to stop using it becaues they couldn't pee without being catherized. That's why dianabol was created to increase the anabolic part and decrease the androgen factor.
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It should be noted that if you do have radiation therapy you cannot have surgery to remove your prostate, you'll be left with chemo or another form. When diagnosed you have surgery, radiation or chemo and of course watchful waiting as your choices.
Quite often there are no symptoms with the disease and more then likely when you do see symptoms your are in the advanced stages of the disease. Some things to watch out for are persistent kidney infections,blood in stool and urine. Just make sure you have your yearly DRE-Digital Rectal Exam aka finger wave. Quite often this is the only indication something is terribly wrong because you could have lumps on your prostate and still have perfect PSA reading.
For those of us that have had the biopsy done I feel your pain and also can chuckle now about the nurse standing behind me loading up the biopsy needles, hearing that fucking spring click thinking "this shit is gonna hurt a bit".......lol
And yes I know what I'm talking about, or my 39th bday 11 years ago I was told I had cancer in both sides of my prostate, best to all and fellas go get your prostate checked.
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Your stats are a bit misleading prime. The older you get, the chances become around 50% of men, it is directly proportional to age.
I would be careful to the watch and see approach as prostate generally spreads to bone first in which is an extremely painful disease.
Depending on your Gleason score and your PSA levels I would strongly suggest looking into radiotherpay seed inplants....it it a scary looking procedure but side effects and cure rate are great.
Please feel free to PM me any questions as this is what I do for a living, other than watching this site for entertainment!
Got to admit, the older I get the more I worry about this. I'll be 50 in August. My Dr. said thats the time to start having check ups (PSA). Fortunately I have no cancer that runs in my family on either side so hopefully I have that in my favor.
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It should be noted that if you do have radiation therapy you cannot have surgery to remove your prostate, you'll be left with chemo or another form. When diagnosed you have surgery, radiation or chemo and of course watchful waiting as your choices.
Quite often there are no symptoms with the disease and more then likely when you do see symptoms your are in the advanced stages of the disease. Some things to watch out for are persistent kidney infections,blood in stool and urine. Just make sure you have your yearly DRE-Digital Rectal Exam aka finger wave. Quite often this is the only indication something is terribly wrong because you could have lumps on your prostate and still have perfect PSA reading.
For those of us that have had the biopsy done I feel your pain and also can chuckle now about the nurse standing behind me loading up the biopsy needles, hearing that fucking spring click thinking "this shit is gonna hurt a bit".......lol
And yes I know what I'm talking about, or my 39th bday 11 years ago I was told I had cancer in both sides of my prostate, best to all and fellas go get your prostate checked.
Damn man, I thought I was young to get it at 51yrs old, 39 yrs old is young to get prostate cancer. And I agree with you telling everyone to get checked.REMEMBER, 20% of the men diagnosed with prostate cancer showed normal PSA levels. You need the digital exam.
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It should be noted that if you do have radiation therapy you cannot have surgery to remove your prostate, you'll be left with chemo or another form. When diagnosed you have surgery, radiation or chemo and of course watchful waiting as your choices.
Quite often there are no symptoms with the disease and more then likely when you do see symptoms your are in the advanced stages of the disease. Some things to watch out for are persistent kidney infections,blood in stool and urine. Just make sure you have your yearly DRE-Digital Rectal Exam aka finger wave. Quite often this is the only indication something is terribly wrong because you could have lumps on your prostate and still have perfect PSA reading.
For those of us that have had the biopsy done I feel your pain and also can chuckle now about the nurse standing behind me loading up the biopsy needles, hearing that fucking spring click thinking "this shit is gonna hurt a bit".......lol
And yes I know what I'm talking about, or my 39th bday 11 years ago I was told I had cancer in both sides of my prostate, best to all and fellas go get your prostate checked.
Meechz,
Which option did you end up choosing to deal with your prostate cancer? Did you or do you suffer much in the way of the usual side effects?
I am fairly committed to having the Da Vinci prostatectomy, but I have had some well meaning advice from folk suggesting other options might be better.
Feel free to PM me if you'd rather not talk about this publicly.
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christ, sorry to hear this, prime.
its always hard to judge a persons mood when reading on forums.. but i must say, you sound very 'positive', all things considered! best of british to you.
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Lots of good information in this thread, thanks and best wishes to all guys who are going through their health issues.
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christ, sorry to hear this, prime.
its always hard to judge a persons mood when reading on forums.. but i must say, you sound very 'positive', all things considered! best of british to you.
Bradistani,
I am a big believer in the power of positive thinking....not that I expect to magically "think" the cancer away.
Frankly, I am a bit afraid of the unknown, as are most folks. Any surgery is a risk. Fortunately, I am healthier (aside from the prostate cancer) than most folks, even those who are a lot younger than I am. There is no reason to think I won't come out of this just fine. But, a little insurance is good too. This is why I am getting my annual physical in two weeks before I schedule the surgery.
So yeah, I hope my mood is good.
Actually, I am really pleased and frankly a little supprised at the great responses to this thread on Getbig. Almost without exception, the posts here have been really supportive. Guess you Getbiggers are a lot cooler people than I originally gave credit for being. I feel like a lucky guy because I am not facing this alone by any means. My family, friends and Internet acquaintances are here for me encouraging me to make whatever treatment decision I choose and wishing me the best. -Could not ask for more.....accept maybe hearing from the doctor that the cancer diagnosis was all a big mistake.
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I really wish you the best in this battle. Your health is never realized for the treasure it is until you have a problem. I hope your loved ones have you in health for a long time.
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My positive thoughts go out to you Primemuscle.
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Prime,
I chose to have a radical prostatectomy as I had the cancer in both sides of the prostate, at the time of my surgery the Da Vinci surgery was not on the scene, so this shows the progress made since 01 when I had my surgery. As far as anyone having surgery, best thing to do is start doing kagel exercises to help with incontinence as your prostate acts as a big stopper to shut your urine off etc and that area will be weakened as the prostate is removed.
Di Vinci is minimally evasive surgery with small portals and excellent recovery time with less side effects, they've gotton it down where basically it's like having your knee scoped. Several friends have had it and their recovery time was basically half time for those that had radical surgery.
With your age being 51 which is quite young, I think you'll recover excellent with robotic surgery, again if you have cancer in just one side of your prostate, then your already 50% better then I was from jump street.
As far a side effects go, my erections are 70% of what they were but, with the blue wonder pill and use of the vac I'm fine. Some very small leakage during heavy lifting but hell I'm alive.
Be sure to ask the urologist about your recovery time and if you can use a vacuum pump to aid in the recovery time so you can start to exercise your penis to get the blood flow back in the area which helps tremendously in the healing and firmness of your erections. Best of luck and feel free to hit me up if you need any questions answered personally.
For those diagnosed with the disease here is a excellent read: Dr. Patrick Walsh's Guide to Surviving Prostate Cancer. He's head urologist for Johns Hopkins. Peace all.
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Thanks again for the reply Meechz,
Just wanted to clear up a couple of things. I am not 51 years old, although that would be nice. I am actually 67 years old. The biopsy showed that I have localized cancer in both nodes and in the transition area. So hopefully, although all areas of my prostate is involved, the cancer has not gone outside the margins of the prostate. The Gleason score is 3+3=6 which means it is not an aggressive cancer according to my doctor.
Went to see a demonstration of the Da Vinci robot today. It is absolutely amazing. Saw a video of a Da Vinci prostatectomy. -Looks bloody, but also looks to be a fairly simple procedure barring any complications.
I already do Kegel exercises every morning and every night. Hopefully, this puts me ahead of the game. I'm a little concerned about stretching the urethra by using a vacuum pump. On the other hand, the doctor said I might lose a inch or so off my penis length. Me being a porn star and all, I am not looking forward to that (joking of course). ;)
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Prime,
I also had 3+3 gleason localized in both lobes, you should be fine and yes there is about a inch loss of length. It is a tad bloody as the prostate is about the size of a walnut with no easy way to be removed. Other then the loss of the money shot, you porn career should stay intact. Keep in touch and let me know how things turn out. ;D
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No symptoms really. Fortunately, because I have been on TRT for the better part of the last three years, my urologist has been monitoring my PSA (prostate specific antigen) numbers very closely. When the results showed the PSA climbing, we first thought it was because I'd both stopped taking Proscar and started TRT. Both of these things can change one's PSA, but then so can a raft of other things too.
Obviously, I have stopped the TRT. Testosterone may not cause prostate cancer but it supposedly can make it more aggressive if you already have it.
Is Testosterone far by the worst in causing prostate hypertrophy?
Or other stronger androgens worse -- like Tren than Test?
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Only read first page.
I know a lot of u beleive well most people that herbs are bullshit.
Strongly suggest u give them a go.
In Europe they will use there first line as saw palmetto.
Saw palmetto is proven to be as effective as proscar for lowering dht and proven to be better at shrinking the prostate and psa levels.
On top of it saw palmetto holds the biggest key over proscar most important thing....
Saw palmetto blocks the ar on the prostate. Yup blocks androgens from binding. Biggest problem solved.
Also strong dose vitamin e. There have been studies and many people have cured any cancer from things like vit e. Studies showing it strongly slowed down the cancer as well as reversed it.but. the studies said there was a one percent chance increase in heart disease in this study.
Bull fucking shit. The foverment can't make money off ten dollar vitamin e. That's the real reason. They need people to get sick and spend thousands on medicines tens of thousands each surgery and chemotherapy and more more more.
I strongly think you should read into what I'm saying. I beleive in it hundred percent. It took my yrs of researching steroids before I took them and seven years of researching cancer. So many success stoeys of women know there own curing breast cancer with vit e and flax seed oil. Really just read onto this on your own I have faith in it. Saw palmetto. Vit e. Vit c and moderate vit a. All very strong anti oxidants the e is the work horse for the cancer cells tho.
And if u don't look for the studies or stories remeber take more than what's on hr labels most the vit e studies uses two thousand iu a day.
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Research published in the Journal of Cell Biology November 17, 2008; 183(4):697-710 has shown that vitamin D can adjust almost everything in the cancer cell, from its genetic messaging to its cytoskeleton. It can switch genes on and off, and it can reduce cell division, and it can ‘calm’ the cancer cells so that they settle rather than spread. It seems vitamin D can actually return a cancer cell to a normal and healthy state. One pathway seems to control everything. That is a very important set of findings.
But if you are in any doubt about its potential, then the pharmaceutical companies are certainly not. For example, Memorial Sloan-Kettering have recently been involved in a Phase III clinical trial where a synthetically made, concentrated form of vitamin D, called Asentar, significantly improved patient survival times. “It has enormous potential” said Dr Howard Scher, team leader.
At CANCE
Forgot vit d. Read that. Points out two things. There are cures.... And also points out the medical xpmunity just wants money. Making a fucking vit d pharmaceutical pill.... Why..... We aledy have vit d pills for five dollars a bottle. Obvious answer. They can't prescirbe vit d. so make a drug add something to it with vit d and u got itself a two hundred dollar a bottle of anti cancer drug.
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Only read first page.
I know a lot of u beleive well most people that herbs are bullshit.
Strongly suggest u give them a go.
In Europe they will use there first line as saw palmetto.
Saw palmetto is proven to be as effective as proscar for lowering dht and proven to be better at shrinking the prostate and psa levels.
On top of it saw palmetto holds the biggest key over proscar most important thing....
Saw palmetto blocks the ar on the prostate. Yup blocks androgens from binding. Biggest problem solved.
Also strong dose vitamin e. There have been studies and many people have cured any cancer from things like vit e. Studies showing it strongly slowed down the cancer as well as reversed it.but. the studies said there was a one percent chance increase in heart disease in this study.
Bull fucking shit. The foverment can't make money off ten dollar vitamin e. That's the real reason. They need people to get sick and spend thousands on medicines tens of thousands each surgery and chemotherapy and more more more.
I strongly think you should read into what I'm saying. I beleive in it hundred percent. It took my yrs of researching steroids before I took them and seven years of researching cancer. So many success stoeys of women know there own curing breast cancer with vit e and flax seed oil. Really just read onto this on your own I have faith in it. Saw palmetto. Vit e. Vit c and moderate vit a. All very strong anti oxidants the e is the work horse for the cancer cells tho.
And if u don't look for the studies or stories remeber take more than what's on hr labels most the vit e studies uses two thousand iu a day.
thanks! saw palmetto all the way :)
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In early stages of BPH (benign prostate hyperplasia or enlarged prostrate), 320 up to 500 mg per day is reportedly necessary. It may take four to six weeks to see results. After that, 160 mg twice daily should be enough.
That is he extract to nor the full berries they are weak.
Also forgot to note it blocks estrogen as well drom binding to the prostate possibly biggest factor with new research
Here's just a quick link off Google but there are many studies on pubmed to difficult to view on my phone tho
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http://books.google.ca/books?id=G4K28YQtS8QC&pg=PA129&lpg=PA128&ots=OzxXepmI5a&dq=saw+palmetto+blocks+androgen+binding&output=html_text
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To the OP: I didn't read the whole thread, but don't forget that surgery isn't your only option for treatment. Radiation therapy is another good option. Same chance for cure as surgery, but different side effect profile. Worth at least considering, especially if your urologist didn't mention it. Almost no risk for incontinence with radiation vs. real risk with surgery, although the treatment course can be up to 9 weeks. Up to you, of course. Just be sure to explore all of your options.
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Only read first page.
I know a lot of u beleive well most people that herbs are bullshit.
Strongly suggest u give them a go.
In Europe they will use there first line as saw palmetto.
Saw palmetto is proven to be as effective as proscar for lowering dht and proven to be better at shrinking the prostate and psa levels.
On top of it saw palmetto holds the biggest key over proscar most important thing....
Saw palmetto blocks the ar on the prostate. Yup blocks androgens from binding. Biggest problem solved.
Also strong dose vitamin e. There have been studies and many people have cured any cancer from things like vit e. Studies showing it strongly slowed down the cancer as well as reversed it.but. the studies said there was a one percent chance increase in heart disease in this study.
Bull fucking shit. The foverment can't make money off ten dollar vitamin e. That's the real reason. They need people to get sick and spend thousands on medicines tens of thousands each surgery and chemotherapy and more more more.
I strongly think you should read into what I'm saying. I beleive in it hundred percent. It took my yrs of researching steroids before I took them and seven years of researching cancer. So many success stoeys of women know there own curing breast cancer with vit e and flax seed oil. Really just read onto this on your own I have faith in it. Saw palmetto. Vit e. Vit c and moderate vit a. All very strong anti oxidants the e is the work horse for the cancer cells tho.
And if u don't look for the studies or stories remeber take more than what's on hr labels most the vit e studies uses two thousand iu a day.
About two years ago, I stopped taking Finasteride to treat prostate hyperplasia and started taking Saw Palmetto. My main reason for doing this was because Finasteride or Proscar both can produce unwanted side effects such as ED. The side effect I would have preferred would have been regrowing hair on my head. Unfortunately, these meds did not do this for me.
When my PSA started going up, the doctor and I both figured it was a result of my switching from Finasteride to Saw Palmetto. Yet I continued the Saw Palmetto anyway. This was also about the time I started taking Testosterone Cypionate which we believed was another probable cause of the rising PSA.
Anyway, here I am today with a diagnosis of prostate cancer. One good thing is that because I was on TRT, my PSA was closely monitored by my doctor. No doubt this helped in diagnosing the prostate cancer early on.
Saw Palmetto may be just a beneficial in treating an enlarged prostate as Finasteride, but you couldn't prove it from my experience.
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:) :)About two years ago, I stopped taking Finasteride to treat prostate hyperplasia and started taking Saw Palmetto. My main reason for doing this was because Finasteride or Proscar both can produce unwanted side effects such as ED. The side effect I would have preferred would have been regrowing hair on my head. Unfortunately, these meds did not do this for me.
When my PSA started going up, the doctor and :) I both figured it was a result of my switching from Finasteride to Saw Palmetto. Yet I continued the Saw Palmetto anyway. This was also about the time I started taking Testosterone Cypionate which we believed was another probable cause of the rising PSA.
Anyway, here I am today with a diagnosis of prostate cancer. One good thing is that because I was on TRT, my PSA was closely monitored by my doctor. No doubt this helped in diagnosing the prostate cancer early on.
Saw Palmetto may be just a beneficial in treating an enlarged prostate as Finasteride, but you couldn't prove it from my experience.
It is better. U said yourself you started hrt. U stop fina and start testosterone. How much saw palmetto were you taking the berries are worthless. And was it the 95 standardized extract.
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A week ago I had a prostatectomy. The Da Vinci robotic surgery took 4 1/2 hours. My doctor thinks the prognosis will be good. He mentioned that my prostate was very large, comparing it to the size of a racket ball. I should get the pathology report back when I get the catheter out next Friday.
All in all, my recovery is going very well. I was up and walking around the hospital nurse's station the next day. Being the tough old bird that I am, I have not been taking much in the way of pain meds....just some Tylenol at first. Looking back, I would say that it took a couple of days for the anesthetic to completely wear off (maybe because I was under for so long). The hospital stay was only two days. Since being home, I have been pretty active while trying not to lift anything too heavy until my gut heals up some. My stomach looks like I might have been hit with buckshot. There are about 5 little incisions. The largest of them being the vertical one over my navel which is about 2.5 inches long.
Just a reminder to all you men, have PSA tests at least annually. PSA tests are not definitive, but they can indicate when something might be amiss. The other option is simply not to know that you have prostate cancer until it metastasized. That isn't a very good option. Had I not been on TRT and getting PSA tests twice a year, this cancer may not have been caught so early on.
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I wish you a quick recovery, Prime.
Lots of us will be facing the same trouble sooner or later so thanks for relating the good advice you've picked up along the way. Very cool of you to be thinking of your fellow Getbiggers so soon after surgery.
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A week ago I had a prostatectomy. The Da Vinci robotic surgery took 4 1/2 hours. My doctor thinks the prognosis will be good. He mentioned that my prostate was very large, comparing it to the size of a racket ball. I should get the pathology report back when I get the catheter out next Friday.
All in all, my recovery is going very well. I was up and walking around the hospital nurse's station the next day. Being the tough old bird that I am, I have not been taking much in the way of pain meds....just some Tylenol at first. Looking back, I would say that it took a couple of days for the anesthetic to completely wear off (maybe because I was under for so long). The hospital stay was only two days. Since being home, I have been pretty active while trying not to lift anything too heavy until my gut heals up some. My stomach looks like I might have been hit with buckshot. There are about 5 little incisions. The largest of them being the vertical one over my navel which is about 2.5 inches long.
Just a reminder to all you men, have PSA tests at least annually. PSA tests are not definitive, but they can indicate when something might be amiss. The other option is simply not to know that you have prostate cancer until it metastasized. That isn't a very good option. Had I not been on TRT and getting PSA tests twice a year, this cancer may not have been caught so early on.
How can you not be aware that your prostate is enlarged. Could it be that people are too fat to realize?
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How can you not be aware that your prostate is enlarged. Could it be that people are too fat to realize?
I have had issues with my prostate since I was a teenager. I am not sure why you would think I didn't know it was enlarged, because I did. I knew it because my doctors told me it was over the years. However, my present urologist was a lot more familiar with my prostate than I was since I never tried to feel it myself and he was surprised that it was as large as it was. Call me weird but I just am not that into sticking my finger up my butt-hole.
I am not sure how being fat would mask knowing ones prostate was enlarged. Can you explain what you mean by this? However, I am not now nor have I ever been fat.
Incidentally, one can have an enlarged prostate and it not mean that they have prostate cancer. My problem was not so much it being enlarged, it was that I was diagnosed with prostate cancer last January. A few months earlier, I'd had a biopsy and it didn't show any cancer. However because my PSA numbers kept climbing while I was on TRT, my doctor and I agreed that it would be a good idea to do another biopsy which is when the cancer was diagnosed. Like I said, TRT may have been my friend in terms of discovering I had prostate cancer early on and hopefully before it spread to any other organs. We'll see.
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I wish you a quick recovery, Prime.
Lots of us will be facing the same trouble sooner or later so thanks for relating the good advice you've picked up along the way. Very cool of you to be thinking of your fellow Getbiggers so soon after surgery.
I am on the bandwagon for men having their PSA checked. There are some folks who think this isn't necessary or even advised because PSA results are not absolute. One can have prostate cancer and still have good PSA scores as well as some have high PSA scores and no cancer. I tended to be in the second catagory until recently. The main thing is that at this point in time there is no other easier way to test for the posibility of prostate cancer. Let me assure everyone that you'd have to be crazy or a masochist to want to have a biopsy every year. They are very uncomfortable and pretty envasive. A PSA is a very simple blood test which can be done at the same time you have a blood draw for other things. I did most of mine when I was preparing for my annual physical.
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Good luck with your recovery.
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Good luck with your recovery.
Thanks, deadz
Each day is better than the previous one. I feel pretty darn great today. At this point I am biding my time until Friday when the catheter comes out. Frankly, I thought the catheter was going to be more of a problem than it is. I imagined for some reason that having a tube run up the urethra would hurt, but it doesn't. However, it isn't exactly a turn-on either. LOL. On Friday, I graduate to Depends. That ought to be a thrill!
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Thanks for all your positive thoughts; they apparently did the trick. I saw the urologist today and got the pathology report, which was great! No cancer was found in the margins or lymph nodes. The cancer was completely contained within the prostate, which is gone now. The stage remained at 2 with a Gleason score of 3+3. This is an excellent outcome. I see the doctor again in about a month.
I've been wearing Depends since the catheter came out this morning and so far no leakeage. Yahoo! Next on the agenda is to get a boner. LOL!