You have no clue what HIT even is. Yates trained one set to failure. Of course he used easy warm up sets as needed. No one could grab 415lbs as their first set of inclines. His workouts took 45 minutes on average.
I used a similar approach many times in my training and the workouts do take around 45 minutes and an hour for legs.
Having said that I have no problem with volume. If you do something like 4 sets or 5 sets the the first sets are stopped well short of failure with maybe the last set being failure. We all know that it works. I find it a waste of time.
Here's an example of my yates lat routine. Pulldowns one set to failure with one sub maximal warm up set with a light weight. Seated cable rows one set to failure with one easy warm up set. One arm dumbbell rows one set to failure with no warm up sets. Narrow pulldowns one set to failure with no warm up sets. Granted someone a lot stronger than me will use more warm up sets. A submaximal warm up set is not a set. It's easy and the exertion is low. When Yates uses 135 for a set, then 225 for a set; then 315 for a set he is not exerting himself but conserving his energy for the big one set to failure. I can't believe some people can't grasp the concept. Those warm ups are not work sets. Someone like Yates could have done maybe 315 for 15-20 reps in his warm up but he's stopping at 6 reps.
"You have no clue what HIT even is."
But I do.
HIT is exercise PHILOSOPHY. There is really no science behind it at all. Arthur Jones original ideas were simple reasoning. methtzer was no scientist.
"Yates trained one set to failure. Of course he used easy warm up sets as needed. No one could grab 415lbs as their first set of inclines. His workouts took 45 minutes on average."
Ah this old chestnut. Yates, in his first decade of training did more volume to build up. After build up sets he'd do 2 to 3 work sets. And his workouts took a longer than 45 minutes. Once he had accumulated the mass he needed he cut back on the volume go maintain the mass he had already built with higher volume.
Let's not forget that Yates, by the time he was olympia champion, was on literally a bucketful of juice which also helped to maintain the mass while doing less. methzer did the same thing. Took more drugs while doing less. Problem is, if you look at pics of Yates and methzer towards the end of their competitive careers both of their physiques began to deteriorate due to doing less volume. A lot gets taken out of context when it comes to methzer and Yates. They did not use HIT exclusively to build their physiques.
No top bodybuilder has ever used hit exclusively from day 1 and built a top level physique.
"I used a similar approach many times in my training and the workouts do take around 45 minutes and an hour for legs."
And maintained more than build.
"Having said that I have no problem with volume. If you do something like 4 sets or 5 sets the the first sets are stopped well short of failure with maybe the last set being failure. We all know that it works. I find it a waste of time."
It works but is a waste of time? Not really. A high volume workout can be done in an hour also.
"Here's an example of my yates lat routine. Pulldowns one set to failure with one sub maximal warm up set with a light weight. Seated cable rows one set to failure with one easy warm up set. One arm dumbbell rows one set to failure with no warm up sets. Narrow pulldowns one set to failure with no warm up sets. Granted someone a lot stronger than me will use more warm up sets. A submaximal warm up set is not a set. It's easy and the exertion is low. When Yates uses 135 for a set, then 225 for a set; then 315 for a set he is not exerting himself but conserving his energy for the big one set to failure."
Wrong. He did conventional pyramid training. That's all that is. Dorian Yates was making this thing up. If you actually watch him train that, just say he was doing two or three sets for this body part, he would not count the previous sets he was doing.
With these sets he was not going to failure so he did not count those sets. Other bodybuilders trained in the same many but would count all the sets, even if they don't go to failure. And in a lot of cases they don't go to failure in each set.
"I can't believe some people can't grasp the concept. "
Its a flawed concept.
"Those warm ups are not work sets."
Wrong. 315 on the Incline press which Yates did is not a warm up. There's load and tension to consider. Again, if you actually scrutinise Yates way of training he's actually using quite a bit of weight on the set before his last set. Just because he didn't go to failure doesn't mean his muscles wasn't working hard. Real intensity is measured by load, not high effort. Besides he had Leeroy spottingbhim on that 315 set, if it was a mere "warm up" then Yates wouldn't need leeroy to spot him. Yates uses the set before last to pre-exhaust the muscle so it's hardly a warm up set.
