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Title: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Mr. Cortisol on February 10, 2008, 04:23:28 PM
My arms are poor.

Should I train triceps, THEN chest, on Chest/tricep day?
Would pre-exhausting triceps first make them work harder during chest?

Same with back/biceps.

thanks!
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Post by: JediKnight on February 10, 2008, 04:25:59 PM
chest first.
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Post by: ozman on February 10, 2008, 04:30:20 PM
give arms their own day

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Post by: candidate2025 on February 10, 2008, 04:30:58 PM
yeah give arms their own day and train triceps first on that day
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Mr. Cortisol on February 10, 2008, 04:32:10 PM
i can only make it to the gym 4 days a week.

if i give arms their own day, i never train shoulders :(
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Post by: EL Mariachi on February 10, 2008, 04:36:59 PM
shut up and squat
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Post by: TrueGrit on February 10, 2008, 04:40:11 PM
4 days? ok, no problem.

Day 1 : Back and light biceps
Day 2:  Chest and light tris

On both these days you do the main bodypart first and finish off with the bis and tris

Day 3: Legs and shoulders
Day 4: Arms
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Heywood on February 10, 2008, 04:46:19 PM
Arthur Jones' programs were the opposite.  You pre-exhaust the pecs via DB flyes or Nautilus chest machine (direct resistance) then immediately go to the bench press or dips (indirect/compound resistance).

The pecs are stronger; the triceps are the weak link, so preexhaust the pecs, not the triceps.

Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: affy on February 10, 2008, 04:52:41 PM
do back/tri

chest/bis

works great...try and have 2 days in between the two though
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: haider on February 10, 2008, 04:54:57 PM
Arthur Jones' programs were the opposite.  You pre-exhaust the pecs via DB flyes or Nautilus chest machine (direct resistance) then immediately go to the bench press or dips (indirect/compound resistance).

The pecs are stronger; the triceps are the weak link, so preexhaust the pecs, not the triceps.


wrong, very wrong. chest is always the weak link, benchpressing is msotly shoulders + triceps.
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: haider on February 10, 2008, 05:02:14 PM
If you want to do triceps with chest, I say GO GOR IT.

Start out with a power tricep pressing movement, then move on to chest movements, then back to lighter tricep stuff.

If not, then u can hit up a seperate arm day:

1, Chest + shoulders
2, Legs
3, Back
4, Arms
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: triple_pickle on February 10, 2008, 05:03:41 PM
have a decent chest workout and follow 2-3 days later with a heavy triceps workout.  i usually do chest + biceps, then shoulder + triceps, although a good combo is back + triceps as somebody mentioned above.  heavy close grip benches and heavy dips work well for me, other triceps exercises are there just to fill in.
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Alex23 on February 10, 2008, 05:07:29 PM
DANTE / David Henry been doing bicep first on a biceps back day. He brought his arms up tremendously with that method last year.

It's all theory shit;

Mr. Cortisol, if your goal it to prioritize triceps, do them first and to isolation only movement on chest while on this program. Your chest will be in maintenance mode but can't have it all at once in life. But this is second best, arms day is the only way to prioritize correctly.  

haider is right.
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Matt C on February 10, 2008, 05:08:41 PM
My arms are poor.

Should I train triceps, THEN chest, on Chest/tricep day?
Would pre-exhausting triceps first make them work harder during chest?

Same with back/biceps.

thanks!

The pre-exhaustion principle is a good one and I utilize it when I want to focus on a particular part by removing the work done by secondary muscle groups.  In your example, training triceps first will wear out triceps and allow you to recruit more of your chest muscle fibers when you perform specific chest exercises since the triceps are already worn out.  I would also imagine since they are more exhausted you would feel that as you do the chest exercises.  Same with biceps and back.

That said, have you considered incorporating Will Harris' routine into your regimen?  Here is a brief video below to illustrate it:

(http://i23.tinypic.com/2iuzwqs.gif)
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Alex23 on February 10, 2008, 05:11:39 PM
The pre-exhaustion principle is a good one and I utilize it when I want to focus on a particular part by removing the work done by secondary muscle groups.  In your example, training triceps first will wear out triceps and allow you to recruit more of your chest muscle fibers when you perform specific chest exercises since the triceps are already worn out.  I would also imagine since they are more exhausted you would feel that as you do the chest exercises.  Same with biceps and back.

That said, have you considered incorporating Will Harris' routine into your regimen?  Here is a brief video below to illustrate it:

Cortisol, listen to "Matt C", he has hell of a physique to show for it. ::)
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Red Hook on February 10, 2008, 05:11:56 PM
DANTE / David Henry been doing bicep first on a biceps back day. He brought his arms up tremendously with that method last year.

It's all theory shit;

Mr. Cortisol, if your goal it to prioritize triceps, do them first and to isolation only movement on chest while on this program. Your chest will be in maintenance mode but can't have it all at once in life. But this is second best, arms day is the only way to prioritize correctly. 

haider is right.

you do have a pretty good chest...


I can make my chest, back, legs and triceps sore for the a couple of days

but biceps I need to put in a monster routine and it is still not guaranteed to be sore..
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: theworm on February 10, 2008, 05:12:05 PM
4 days no problem:

1. chest and abs
2. back and bis
off
3. shoulders and tris
4. legs
off
off
repeat

so your tris get worked twice, once with chest (indirectly), then on their own.  great mass training program for only 4 days/week.
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Mr. Cortisol on February 10, 2008, 05:12:42 PM
Mr. Cortisol, if your goal it to prioritize triceps, do them first and to isolation only movement on chest while on this program. Your chest will be in maintenance mode but can't have it all at once in life. But this is second best, arms day is the only way to prioritize correctly.  

I appreciate it, A23.

Can you list a few exercises I should do for chest after training triceps?
Isolation only = ???
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Matt C on February 10, 2008, 05:15:40 PM
Cortisol, listen to "Matt C", he has hell of a physique to show for it. ::)

I incorporate this into my regimen:

(http://i23.tinypic.com/2iuzwqs.gif)
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Mr. Cortisol on February 10, 2008, 05:16:39 PM
matt c,

why introduce homosexual pics into the thread?
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Post by: Bast000 on February 10, 2008, 05:17:22 PM
what triceps exercises do you do?
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Post by: Matt C on February 10, 2008, 05:18:17 PM
Is it just me or did this thread just get a whole lot gayer?  ???
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Post by: Bast000 on February 10, 2008, 05:20:08 PM
Is it just me or did this thread just get a whole lot gayer?  ???

yea because of your avatar.  ;)
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Red Hook on February 10, 2008, 05:20:27 PM
matt c,

why introduce homosexual pics into the thread?

maybe he is tired of looking at daddywaddy's cock
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Alex23 on February 10, 2008, 05:20:46 PM
I appreciate it, A23.

Can you list a few exercises I should do for chest after training triceps?
Isolation only = ???

Any "non heavy" Delts/Tri heavy involved pushing type of movements:

Flat Flyes
Cable cross over
Dumbell press with emphasis on the inner squeeze
Even machine press to some extend
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Croatch on February 10, 2008, 05:20:59 PM
My arms are poor.

Should I train triceps, THEN chest, on Chest/tricep day?
Would pre-exhausting triceps first make them work harder during chest?

Same with back/biceps.

thanks!
Work on your diet and push yourself harder during workouts.  These small adjustments in your workout routine don't do all that much, believe me.  Take Krealkalyn, that should give you some more size.
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Red Hook on February 10, 2008, 05:22:22 PM
Work on your diet and push yourself harder during workouts.  These small adjustments in your workout routine don't do all that much, believe me.  Take Krealkalyn, that should give you some more size.

 ::)
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Croatch on February 10, 2008, 05:23:55 PM
::)
You're right, actually, he should super set tris with biceps, then do monster double sets of chest and back.
Please, don't talk to me about real gains guy.  All with 100 posts too.
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Mr. Cortisol on February 10, 2008, 05:24:36 PM
thanks!
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: haider on February 10, 2008, 05:26:12 PM
thanks!
keep the db presses after the power tricep movement, and some flye shyt.  ;)
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: pumpster on February 10, 2008, 05:28:41 PM
At last glance we now have about 14 versions of the answer. :-\
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Post by: haider on February 10, 2008, 05:29:51 PM
At last glance we now have about 14 versions of the answer. :-\
Yes, I think we need candidizzles final word on this!
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: TrueGrit on February 10, 2008, 05:31:02 PM
At last glance we now have about 14 versions of the answer. :-\
I outlined for him a routine that would revolutionise his arms and give him steroid like gains.

No acknowledgement.
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: haider on February 10, 2008, 05:32:46 PM
I outlined for him a routine that would revolutionise his arms and give him steroid like gains.

No acknowledgement.
Team Nasser's aggressive growth principles!
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Post by: Wee Laddy on February 10, 2008, 07:51:30 PM
D. All of the above

Nothing beats variety for shocking the muscle.
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Post by: Croatch on February 10, 2008, 09:40:16 PM
D. All of the above

Nothing beats variety for shocking the muscle.
I would strongly disagree there.  I've tried many routines.  Switching things up does nothing more than keep it a little bit more entertaining while in the gym.  I've made my best gains keeping the same exact routine for over a year straight.  I've also switched things up from time to time...no difference at all.  Look at Arnold, he would do the same routine all the time.
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Parker on February 10, 2008, 09:53:24 PM
i can only make it to the gym 4 days a week.

if i give arms their own day, i never train shoulders :(

Doesn't Dexter still train 3 days a week? What does his training split look like?
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Post by: tonymctones on February 10, 2008, 10:12:41 PM
You're right, actually, he should super set tris with biceps, then do monster double sets of chest and back.
Please, don't talk to me about real gains guy.  All with 100 posts too.
actually supersetting bis and tris is pretty good you get a wicked pump, I also used to superset chest and back...your routine should all depend on where you are at: beginner, intermediate or advanced, A good intermediate work out, Chest and back followed by arms and legs the next day, one day off, and repeat, then take 2 days off I can elaborate on my old exercises for this routine if you want me to, if that dont do it you might wanna get to the gym more its not about FINDING time its about MAKEING time ;D
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: musclecenter on February 10, 2008, 10:24:57 PM
My arms are poor.

Should I train triceps, THEN chest, on Chest/tricep day?
Would pre-exhausting triceps first make them work harder during chest?

Same with back/biceps.

thanks!

Basic principle :train the larger or weaker muscle first !

(see my 55 years old triceps pic taken Feb 10)






Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: mesmorph78 on February 11, 2008, 12:24:03 AM
Monday back  - light bis  - only 3 excersises
tue  chest and light tris - only 3 excersises
wednesday rest
thursday  legs
friday shoulders and heavy arms
thats my new split at the moment
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Mr. Cortisol on February 11, 2008, 04:21:35 AM
musclecenter = very imporessive for 55!
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Post by: Bear on February 11, 2008, 05:31:50 AM
4 days? ok, no problem.

Day 1 : Back and light biceps
Day 2:  Chest and light tris

On both these days you do the main bodypart first and finish off with the bis and tris

Day 3: Legs and shoulders
Day 4: Arms
Haha, typical rookie routine, all very well if you want the usual massive chest/ narrow shoulders, combined with no legs look.

I'd say, chest and back on the same day, old school arnie style, then arms/legs/shoulders all on their own day. Otherwise your legs get seriously short-changed. All depends on the individual I suppose but most would say legs need their own day.
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Post by: ngm21084 on February 11, 2008, 05:35:00 AM
actually supersetting bis and tris is pretty good you get a wicked pump, I also used to superset chest and back...your routine should all depend on where you are at: beginner, intermediate or advanced, A good intermediate work out, Chest and back followed by arms and legs the next day, one day off, and repeat, then take 2 days off I can elaborate on my old exercises for this routine if you want me to, if that dont do it you might wanna get to the gym more its not about FINDING time its about MAKEING time ;D

elaborate for me...why wouldnt you give legs at least their own whole day at least one...
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: jaejonna on February 11, 2008, 05:45:33 AM
Confusious say,

Man who train tricept before chest

Take shit after wipe ass.

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Post by: medz zeppelin on February 11, 2008, 05:47:04 AM
arnold dips with plates on your lap and nose breakers .......yup that outta do it
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Post by: tonymctones on February 11, 2008, 08:02:37 AM
elaborate for me...why wouldnt you give legs at least their own whole day at least one...
this is a routine that i used when i was alot younger and hadnt been lifting as long as I have been now. I didnt do as much per body part, mainly big compound movements followed by one maybe two isolation exercises. For arms and legs I did squats, shoulder presses, leg curls, weighted dips, leg extensions or hacks, barbell curls, calf raises, and lateral raises.
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Stark on February 11, 2008, 08:11:49 AM
Just do your benching wide a wider grip than usual, that takes out the Triceps completly.
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Post by: Charlys69 on February 11, 2008, 08:51:20 AM
Just do your benching wide a wider grip than usual, that takes out the Triceps completly.

complety ??   i don`t think so.....there is no pressing movement without Triceps or front shoulder where working too (of course, the degree will change how much the triceps is working)

I train triceps before my chest workout, but 3 or 4 days before...... ;)
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Stark on February 11, 2008, 08:58:22 AM
complety ??   i don`t think so.....there is no pressing movement without Triceps or front shoulder where working too (of course, the degree will change how much the triceps is working)

I train triceps before my chest workout, but 3 or 4 days before...... ;)

yeah completly was the wrong word... but to an extend that it becomes not that much of an issue.
To my opinion most people bench a lot with their Tricpes... you ask
them to do the same kinda weigt with a wider grip and they cannot do it.
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: natural al on February 11, 2008, 10:05:07 AM
My arms are poor.

Should I train triceps, THEN chest, on Chest/tricep day?
Would pre-exhausting triceps first make them work harder during chest?

Same with back/biceps.

thanks!

how old?  how much do you weigh and what do your arms measure? 

you can't have huge arms if you only weigh in at 160lbs that's why I ask for the weight and arm measurement
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Mr. Cortisol on February 11, 2008, 10:28:54 AM
how old?  how much do you weigh and what do your arms measure? 

you can't have huge arms if you only weigh in at 160lbs that's why I ask for the weight and arm measurement

I'm 5 2, 145 pounds.  arms way behind rest of body in development.
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: natural al on February 11, 2008, 10:31:40 AM
I'm 5 2, 145 pounds.  arms way behind rest of body in development.
how big do you think your arms are gonna be if you weigh 145lbs?  I'm not trying to be a smart ass either....
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Mr. Cortisol on February 11, 2008, 10:34:07 AM
how big do you think your arms are gonna be if you weigh 145lbs?  I'm not trying to be a smart ass either....

well, i'm very short, so i dont expect to weigh 200 anytime soon.

anyway, my chest, legs, back are all good.  my arms lag.
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: No Patience on February 11, 2008, 10:45:16 AM
i can only make it to the gym 4 days a week.

if i give arms their own day, i never train shoulders :(

#1 - legs
#2 - chest/bi
#3 - back/traps
#4 - shoulder/tri

OR

#1 - legs
#2 - chest/shoulders
#3 - back/traps
#4 - bi/tri

i personally like to train shoulders with chest.....start with incline, then flat bench, then military, and follow up with iso's like lat raises,flies,upright rows


Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Camel Jockey on February 11, 2008, 11:00:53 AM
I'd give arms their own day. On that day I'd superset curls/pushdowns, closegrip bp/alternate curls, preacher curls with/behind the neck dumbell raises. Of course I work triceps with chest and biceps with delts because I can't seem to give the arms an alternate day, but if I could, then I'd have a seperate day where I'd do nothing but superset. Nothing pumps up your arms like supersets.
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: natural al on February 11, 2008, 11:09:07 AM
well, i'm very short, so i dont expect to weigh 200 anytime soon.

anyway, my chest, legs, back are all good.  my arms lag.

ok...what do you do for chest/shoulders and tri's now?

what's the rest of your split look like?
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Bobby on February 11, 2008, 02:52:33 PM
Confusious say,

Man who train tricept before chest

Take shit after wipe ass.



HAAAAAH ;D

well said
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: mesmorph78 on February 11, 2008, 04:35:29 PM
#1 - legs
#2 - chest/bi
#3 - back/traps
#4 - shoulder/tri






i always never understand how people can train a pus muscle with a pull muscle
chest and bis..  and then train back the other day...
that means if u did bis they are already fried for back the next day...
????
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: haider on February 11, 2008, 04:38:06 PM
i always never understand how people can train a pus muscle with a pull muscle
chest and bis..  and then train back the other day...
that means if u did bis they are already fried for back the next day...
????

good catch. But push/pull in alternating or supersetting fashion can be quite effective! You can absolutely get an awesome chest and back workout in the same workout.  8)
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: G.STEELE on February 11, 2008, 05:03:15 PM
Ok, I'll throw in my 2 cents.
This is a routine I've been using with great results...

1- Chest / front & side delts
2- Back / rear delts / traps
3- off
4- Arms
5- Legs
6- off
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: flexingtonsteele on February 11, 2008, 05:25:23 PM
I'm 5 2, 145 pounds.  arms way behind rest of body in development.

Heres the best advice i can give you, EAT!!!!!!!!!!

Your arms arent the only thing lagging if your 145lbs.

The best arm workout you can do is the one bring your spoon up to your mouth. Keep repeating that for about six months and you'll be alright.
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: Croatch on February 11, 2008, 06:54:21 PM
Heres the best advice i can give you, EAT!!!!!!!!!!

Your arms arent the only thing lagging if your 145lbs.

The best arm workout you can do is the one bring your spoon up to your mouth. Keep repeating that for about six months and you'll be alright.
haha ;D  At 5' 2", 145lbs isn't really that bad though.
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: ngm21084 on February 12, 2008, 12:20:37 AM
haha ;D  At 5' 2", 145lbs isn't really that bad though.

actually id say thats pretty damn stocky...so i dont think he needs to eat more...

i always never understand how people can train a pus muscle with a pull muscle
chest and bis..  and then train back the other day...
that means if u did bis they are already fried for back the next day...
????


what dont you understand?  i just started a push/pull split i hit chest and back and then shoulders/arms/traps great "pump"  and sometimes if im going heavy ill cycle through each body part....ex do deads then flat bench then t-bar rows then incline then pulldowns then decline then straight arm pullovers then cable flyes...
Title: Re: Training Triceps BEFORE chest?
Post by: mesmorph78 on February 12, 2008, 12:23:10 AM
actually id say thats pretty damn stocky...so i dont think he needs to eat more...

what dont you understand?  i just started a push/pull split i hit chest and back and then shoulders/arms/traps great "pump"  and sometimes if im going heavy ill cycle through each body part....ex do deads then flat bench then t-bar rows then incline then pulldowns then decline then straight arm pullovers then cable flyes...
if you work your biceps with chest the day before...there is no way you will have a 100% back workout the next day because ur bis will be fried