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My arms are poor.
Should I train triceps, THEN chest, on Chest/tricep day?
Would pre-exhausting triceps first make them work harder during chest?
Same with back/biceps.
thanks!
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chest first.
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give arms their own day
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yeah give arms their own day and train triceps first on that day
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i can only make it to the gym 4 days a week.
if i give arms their own day, i never train shoulders :(
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shut up and squat
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4 days? ok, no problem.
Day 1 : Back and light biceps
Day 2: Chest and light tris
On both these days you do the main bodypart first and finish off with the bis and tris
Day 3: Legs and shoulders
Day 4: Arms
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Arthur Jones' programs were the opposite. You pre-exhaust the pecs via DB flyes or Nautilus chest machine (direct resistance) then immediately go to the bench press or dips (indirect/compound resistance).
The pecs are stronger; the triceps are the weak link, so preexhaust the pecs, not the triceps.
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do back/tri
chest/bis
works great...try and have 2 days in between the two though
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Arthur Jones' programs were the opposite. You pre-exhaust the pecs via DB flyes or Nautilus chest machine (direct resistance) then immediately go to the bench press or dips (indirect/compound resistance).
The pecs are stronger; the triceps are the weak link, so preexhaust the pecs, not the triceps.
wrong, very wrong. chest is always the weak link, benchpressing is msotly shoulders + triceps.
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If you want to do triceps with chest, I say GO GOR IT.
Start out with a power tricep pressing movement, then move on to chest movements, then back to lighter tricep stuff.
If not, then u can hit up a seperate arm day:
1, Chest + shoulders
2, Legs
3, Back
4, Arms
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have a decent chest workout and follow 2-3 days later with a heavy triceps workout. i usually do chest + biceps, then shoulder + triceps, although a good combo is back + triceps as somebody mentioned above. heavy close grip benches and heavy dips work well for me, other triceps exercises are there just to fill in.
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DANTE / David Henry been doing bicep first on a biceps back day. He brought his arms up tremendously with that method last year.
It's all theory shit;
Mr. Cortisol, if your goal it to prioritize triceps, do them first and to isolation only movement on chest while on this program. Your chest will be in maintenance mode but can't have it all at once in life. But this is second best, arms day is the only way to prioritize correctly.
haider is right.
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My arms are poor.
Should I train triceps, THEN chest, on Chest/tricep day?
Would pre-exhausting triceps first make them work harder during chest?
Same with back/biceps.
thanks!
The pre-exhaustion principle is a good one and I utilize it when I want to focus on a particular part by removing the work done by secondary muscle groups. In your example, training triceps first will wear out triceps and allow you to recruit more of your chest muscle fibers when you perform specific chest exercises since the triceps are already worn out. I would also imagine since they are more exhausted you would feel that as you do the chest exercises. Same with biceps and back.
That said, have you considered incorporating Will Harris' routine into your regimen? Here is a brief video below to illustrate it:
(http://i23.tinypic.com/2iuzwqs.gif)
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The pre-exhaustion principle is a good one and I utilize it when I want to focus on a particular part by removing the work done by secondary muscle groups. In your example, training triceps first will wear out triceps and allow you to recruit more of your chest muscle fibers when you perform specific chest exercises since the triceps are already worn out. I would also imagine since they are more exhausted you would feel that as you do the chest exercises. Same with biceps and back.
That said, have you considered incorporating Will Harris' routine into your regimen? Here is a brief video below to illustrate it:
Cortisol, listen to "Matt C", he has hell of a physique to show for it. ::)
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DANTE / David Henry been doing bicep first on a biceps back day. He brought his arms up tremendously with that method last year.
It's all theory shit;
Mr. Cortisol, if your goal it to prioritize triceps, do them first and to isolation only movement on chest while on this program. Your chest will be in maintenance mode but can't have it all at once in life. But this is second best, arms day is the only way to prioritize correctly.
haider is right.
you do have a pretty good chest...
I can make my chest, back, legs and triceps sore for the a couple of days
but biceps I need to put in a monster routine and it is still not guaranteed to be sore..
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4 days no problem:
1. chest and abs
2. back and bis
off
3. shoulders and tris
4. legs
off
off
repeat
so your tris get worked twice, once with chest (indirectly), then on their own. great mass training program for only 4 days/week.
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Mr. Cortisol, if your goal it to prioritize triceps, do them first and to isolation only movement on chest while on this program. Your chest will be in maintenance mode but can't have it all at once in life. But this is second best, arms day is the only way to prioritize correctly.
I appreciate it, A23.
Can you list a few exercises I should do for chest after training triceps?
Isolation only = ???
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Cortisol, listen to "Matt C", he has hell of a physique to show for it. ::)
I incorporate this into my regimen:
(http://i23.tinypic.com/2iuzwqs.gif)
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matt c,
why introduce homosexual pics into the thread?
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what triceps exercises do you do?
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Is it just me or did this thread just get a whole lot gayer? ???
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Is it just me or did this thread just get a whole lot gayer? ???
yea because of your avatar. ;)
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matt c,
why introduce homosexual pics into the thread?
maybe he is tired of looking at daddywaddy's cock
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I appreciate it, A23.
Can you list a few exercises I should do for chest after training triceps?
Isolation only = ???
Any "non heavy" Delts/Tri heavy involved pushing type of movements:
Flat Flyes
Cable cross over
Dumbell press with emphasis on the inner squeeze
Even machine press to some extend
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My arms are poor.
Should I train triceps, THEN chest, on Chest/tricep day?
Would pre-exhausting triceps first make them work harder during chest?
Same with back/biceps.
thanks!
Work on your diet and push yourself harder during workouts. These small adjustments in your workout routine don't do all that much, believe me. Take Krealkalyn, that should give you some more size.
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Work on your diet and push yourself harder during workouts. These small adjustments in your workout routine don't do all that much, believe me. Take Krealkalyn, that should give you some more size.
::)
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::)
You're right, actually, he should super set tris with biceps, then do monster double sets of chest and back.
Please, don't talk to me about real gains guy. All with 100 posts too.
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thanks!
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thanks!
keep the db presses after the power tricep movement, and some flye shyt. ;)
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At last glance we now have about 14 versions of the answer. :-\
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At last glance we now have about 14 versions of the answer. :-\
Yes, I think we need candidizzles final word on this!
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At last glance we now have about 14 versions of the answer. :-\
I outlined for him a routine that would revolutionise his arms and give him steroid like gains.
No acknowledgement.
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I outlined for him a routine that would revolutionise his arms and give him steroid like gains.
No acknowledgement.
Team Nasser's aggressive growth principles!
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D. All of the above
Nothing beats variety for shocking the muscle.
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D. All of the above
Nothing beats variety for shocking the muscle.
I would strongly disagree there. I've tried many routines. Switching things up does nothing more than keep it a little bit more entertaining while in the gym. I've made my best gains keeping the same exact routine for over a year straight. I've also switched things up from time to time...no difference at all. Look at Arnold, he would do the same routine all the time.
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i can only make it to the gym 4 days a week.
if i give arms their own day, i never train shoulders :(
Doesn't Dexter still train 3 days a week? What does his training split look like?
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You're right, actually, he should super set tris with biceps, then do monster double sets of chest and back.
Please, don't talk to me about real gains guy. All with 100 posts too.
actually supersetting bis and tris is pretty good you get a wicked pump, I also used to superset chest and back...your routine should all depend on where you are at: beginner, intermediate or advanced, A good intermediate work out, Chest and back followed by arms and legs the next day, one day off, and repeat, then take 2 days off I can elaborate on my old exercises for this routine if you want me to, if that dont do it you might wanna get to the gym more its not about FINDING time its about MAKEING time ;D
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My arms are poor.
Should I train triceps, THEN chest, on Chest/tricep day?
Would pre-exhausting triceps first make them work harder during chest?
Same with back/biceps.
thanks!
Basic principle :train the larger or weaker muscle first !
(see my 55 years old triceps pic taken Feb 10)
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Monday back - light bis - only 3 excersises
tue chest and light tris - only 3 excersises
wednesday rest
thursday legs
friday shoulders and heavy arms
thats my new split at the moment
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musclecenter = very imporessive for 55!
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4 days? ok, no problem.
Day 1 : Back and light biceps
Day 2: Chest and light tris
On both these days you do the main bodypart first and finish off with the bis and tris
Day 3: Legs and shoulders
Day 4: Arms
Haha, typical rookie routine, all very well if you want the usual massive chest/ narrow shoulders, combined with no legs look.
I'd say, chest and back on the same day, old school arnie style, then arms/legs/shoulders all on their own day. Otherwise your legs get seriously short-changed. All depends on the individual I suppose but most would say legs need their own day.
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actually supersetting bis and tris is pretty good you get a wicked pump, I also used to superset chest and back...your routine should all depend on where you are at: beginner, intermediate or advanced, A good intermediate work out, Chest and back followed by arms and legs the next day, one day off, and repeat, then take 2 days off I can elaborate on my old exercises for this routine if you want me to, if that dont do it you might wanna get to the gym more its not about FINDING time its about MAKEING time ;D
elaborate for me...why wouldnt you give legs at least their own whole day at least one...
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Confusious say,
Man who train tricept before chest
Take shit after wipe ass.
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arnold dips with plates on your lap and nose breakers .......yup that outta do it
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elaborate for me...why wouldnt you give legs at least their own whole day at least one...
this is a routine that i used when i was alot younger and hadnt been lifting as long as I have been now. I didnt do as much per body part, mainly big compound movements followed by one maybe two isolation exercises. For arms and legs I did squats, shoulder presses, leg curls, weighted dips, leg extensions or hacks, barbell curls, calf raises, and lateral raises.
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Just do your benching wide a wider grip than usual, that takes out the Triceps completly.
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Just do your benching wide a wider grip than usual, that takes out the Triceps completly.
complety ?? i don`t think so.....there is no pressing movement without Triceps or front shoulder where working too (of course, the degree will change how much the triceps is working)
I train triceps before my chest workout, but 3 or 4 days before...... ;)
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complety ?? i don`t think so.....there is no pressing movement without Triceps or front shoulder where working too (of course, the degree will change how much the triceps is working)
I train triceps before my chest workout, but 3 or 4 days before...... ;)
yeah completly was the wrong word... but to an extend that it becomes not that much of an issue.
To my opinion most people bench a lot with their Tricpes... you ask
them to do the same kinda weigt with a wider grip and they cannot do it.
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My arms are poor.
Should I train triceps, THEN chest, on Chest/tricep day?
Would pre-exhausting triceps first make them work harder during chest?
Same with back/biceps.
thanks!
how old? how much do you weigh and what do your arms measure?
you can't have huge arms if you only weigh in at 160lbs that's why I ask for the weight and arm measurement
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how old? how much do you weigh and what do your arms measure?
you can't have huge arms if you only weigh in at 160lbs that's why I ask for the weight and arm measurement
I'm 5 2, 145 pounds. arms way behind rest of body in development.
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I'm 5 2, 145 pounds. arms way behind rest of body in development.
how big do you think your arms are gonna be if you weigh 145lbs? I'm not trying to be a smart ass either....
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how big do you think your arms are gonna be if you weigh 145lbs? I'm not trying to be a smart ass either....
well, i'm very short, so i dont expect to weigh 200 anytime soon.
anyway, my chest, legs, back are all good. my arms lag.
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i can only make it to the gym 4 days a week.
if i give arms their own day, i never train shoulders :(
#1 - legs
#2 - chest/bi
#3 - back/traps
#4 - shoulder/tri
OR
#1 - legs
#2 - chest/shoulders
#3 - back/traps
#4 - bi/tri
i personally like to train shoulders with chest.....start with incline, then flat bench, then military, and follow up with iso's like lat raises,flies,upright rows
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I'd give arms their own day. On that day I'd superset curls/pushdowns, closegrip bp/alternate curls, preacher curls with/behind the neck dumbell raises. Of course I work triceps with chest and biceps with delts because I can't seem to give the arms an alternate day, but if I could, then I'd have a seperate day where I'd do nothing but superset. Nothing pumps up your arms like supersets.
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well, i'm very short, so i dont expect to weigh 200 anytime soon.
anyway, my chest, legs, back are all good. my arms lag.
ok...what do you do for chest/shoulders and tri's now?
what's the rest of your split look like?
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Confusious say,
Man who train tricept before chest
Take shit after wipe ass.
HAAAAAH ;D
well said
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#1 - legs
#2 - chest/bi
#3 - back/traps
#4 - shoulder/tri
i always never understand how people can train a pus muscle with a pull muscle
chest and bis.. and then train back the other day...
that means if u did bis they are already fried for back the next day...
????
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i always never understand how people can train a pus muscle with a pull muscle
chest and bis.. and then train back the other day...
that means if u did bis they are already fried for back the next day...
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good catch. But push/pull in alternating or supersetting fashion can be quite effective! You can absolutely get an awesome chest and back workout in the same workout. 8)
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Ok, I'll throw in my 2 cents.
This is a routine I've been using with great results...
1- Chest / front & side delts
2- Back / rear delts / traps
3- off
4- Arms
5- Legs
6- off
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I'm 5 2, 145 pounds. arms way behind rest of body in development.
Heres the best advice i can give you, EAT!!!!!!!!!!
Your arms arent the only thing lagging if your 145lbs.
The best arm workout you can do is the one bring your spoon up to your mouth. Keep repeating that for about six months and you'll be alright.
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Heres the best advice i can give you, EAT!!!!!!!!!!
Your arms arent the only thing lagging if your 145lbs.
The best arm workout you can do is the one bring your spoon up to your mouth. Keep repeating that for about six months and you'll be alright.
haha ;D At 5' 2", 145lbs isn't really that bad though.
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haha ;D At 5' 2", 145lbs isn't really that bad though.
actually id say thats pretty damn stocky...so i dont think he needs to eat more...
i always never understand how people can train a pus muscle with a pull muscle
chest and bis.. and then train back the other day...
that means if u did bis they are already fried for back the next day...
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what dont you understand? i just started a push/pull split i hit chest and back and then shoulders/arms/traps great "pump" and sometimes if im going heavy ill cycle through each body part....ex do deads then flat bench then t-bar rows then incline then pulldowns then decline then straight arm pullovers then cable flyes...
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actually id say thats pretty damn stocky...so i dont think he needs to eat more...
what dont you understand? i just started a push/pull split i hit chest and back and then shoulders/arms/traps great "pump" and sometimes if im going heavy ill cycle through each body part....ex do deads then flat bench then t-bar rows then incline then pulldowns then decline then straight arm pullovers then cable flyes...
if you work your biceps with chest the day before...there is no way you will have a 100% back workout the next day because ur bis will be fried