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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Al Doggity on February 20, 2018, 05:18:49 PM
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Was in the gym tonight and these two younger bros, probably like early 20s, were doing a deadlift session. They were both in good shape and I think one is a competitive amateur bodybuilder. They were strong but their form was abysmal. Most people, even experienced lifters, can't do a proper deadlift. As a lot of you know, I think the deadlift is a mostly worthless exercise, but a few years ago I read a really simple tip on how to keep perfect form that I've shared with other people and they've appreciated it. I never spoke to these guys before- i actually never saw them before- and I was debating whether or not to give them some guidance but I decided not to. If they looked more like beginners, for that particular exercise I definitely would have. However, I decided not to because I think they would've felt like I was trying to gym neg them.
In the past, when people have given me unsolicited advice I have had to still myself from saying "Why don't you focus on your own fucking workout?" Once while I was doing lying chest flys a guy came up to me between sets and told me that I shouldn't bang the weights together because little particles are released and even if I don't see it now, years down the road it could cause serious damage to my eyesight. He was perfectly nice and sincere about it, but I just kept thinking that was the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
Are y'all helpful in the gym or do you keep your advices to yourselves?
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im not helpful unless someone asks me for advice or if someone is obviously doing something wrong or need help, say an older guy that doesnt know how to set up a machine right for his body type or whatever.
i once rescued a guy that was stuck under the bar doing bench presses, he thanked me for that :D
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Never unsolicited advice.. the odds of it being received in the manner I would hope is almost zero.
the down side is I have to try and ignore the atrocious form until I move to another area
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Nope, unless they're about to do something dangerous like using equipment really wrong, etc.... I leave people alone.
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Never unsolicited advice.
If they were two 20ish year old girls would you had offered advice? or would you have been afraid that they wanted to go home with you ?
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A few times. Couple of young kids and an older fella.
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What is the tip?
And no I don't give advice unless asked directly, I did one time to kids squating and scared the crap out of them. As I walked away I heard one say did we tick off the steroid guy, lol.
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Never give any lifting advice in the gym. I notice hot women are constantly bombarded by guys giving lifting advice. I see more women that have better form than most men.
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Never give any lifting advice in the gym. I notice hot women are constantly bombarded by guys giving lifting advice. I see more women that have better form than most men.
I agree. I never give advice. I figure they will learn just like I did and after decades I'm probably not doing everything right, But I will help anyone who asks.
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I agree. I never give advice. I figure they will learn just like I did and after decades I'm probably not doing everything right, But I will help anyone who asks.
This is how I feel most of the time, too. The difference here is they were curving their spines until they got the weight off the ground then they would straighten out their backs for the rest of the lift. My back was creaking just watching it.
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What is the tip?
Don't let your back bend past 45 degrees. Once you get to 45 degrees, then your legs should be doing all the bending.
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I do give lifting advice to the youngsters, and 99 percent of the time they eat it up. as if they have no clue on what they are doing and how to do it correctly. one time this 20 year old kid was curling the pre set curling bar, maybe a 80, and after each set he would drop the bar from about his waist or even higher to the floor. the bar would just slam to the floor making a huge noise. I went up to him and told him not to do that, as it doesn't look cool, and why the fuck would anyone drop the weight like that. I said put it down like you know what your doing, (or something like that I said)
fucking punk never said a word back to me. so now I'm behind him on the bench, and the prick picks up the bar, does his 8 reps, and looking right at me, the prick drops the fucking bar on the floor. that one backfired on me big time ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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I do give lifting advice to the youngsters, and 99 percent of the time they eat it up. as if they have no clue on what they are doing and how to do it correctly. one time this 20 year old kid was curling the pre set curling bar, maybe a 80, and after each set he would drop the bar from about his waist or even higher to the floor. the bar would just slam to the floor making a huge noise. I went up to him and told him not to do that, as it doesn't look cool, and why the fuck would anyone drop the weight like that. I said put it down like you know what your doing, (or something like that I said)
fucking punk never said a word back to me. so now I'm behind him on the bench, and the prick picks up the bar, does his 8 reps, and looking right at me, the prick drops the fucking bar on the floor. that one backfired on me big time ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
cool story bro
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Nope,fuck everyone.All I need is someone to cop an attitude after I try and help them and I end up brawling.most people can’t take constructive criticism in any area.So not worth the bullshit.
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Don't let your back bend past 45 degrees. Once you get to 45 degrees, then your legs should be doing all the bending.
Good advice.
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I advise suicide.. quite a little bit
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My one piece of advice is to sleep on the floor, the key to next level gains, absolute game changer.
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My one piece of advice is to sleep on the floor, the key to next level gains, absolute game changer.
saw a story on a large Italian family on a cruise kicked off after creating havoc. Fighting and just overall thugary. The ship security was not that effective in addressing the issue. Ever experience that on one of your trips?
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Nope,fuck everyone.All I need is someone to cop an attitude after I try and help them and I end up brawling.most people can’t take constructive criticism in any area.So not worth the bullshit.
x2. I don't interact with anyone at the gym unless I happen to see a buddy.
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saw a story on a large Italian family on a cruise kicked off after creating havoc. Fighting and just overall thugary. The ship security was not that effective in addressing the issue. Ever experience that on one of your trips?
I've seen some crazy shit, lots of interesting stories, one involving fighting happened on New Years Eve a few years ago, it was in our nightclub, the place was madness, very packed and just overall felt unsafe, too many people in one place, anyway, we have these little glass tables with chairs all around our dance floor, so people can sit and enjoy, I guess this younger guy early 20's bumped into the table while he was dancing and knocked over this couples bottles that were on the table, the drinks spilled all over this dude's wife's dress and this guy went off, young guy was a black dude, husband was hispanic probably late 30's they start talking shit, they scuffle, the husband grabs one of the broken bottles and tries stabbing the younger guy with it, called ship security, they ended up breaking up the fight, put the passenger in the Brig and shut down the NYE party. But I've seen numerous situations, anytime you have 3000 people in one place fueled by booze something is going to break out, not to mention security staff is minimal our ship has 7 security guards. However these guys are not mall cops, all are former law enforcement or military. But still severely understaffed in my opinion.
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I've seen some crazy shit, lots of interesting stories, one involving fighting happened on New Years Eve a few years ago, it was in our nightclub, the place was madness, very packed and just overall felt unsafe, too many people in one place, anyway, we have these little glass tables with chairs all around our dance floor, so people can sit and enjoy, I guess this younger guy early 20's bumped into the table while he was dancing and knocked over this couples bottles that were on the table, the drinks spilled all over this dude's wife's dress and this guy went off, young guy was a black dude, husband was hispanic probably late 30's they start talking shit, they scuffle, the husband grabs one of the broken bottles and tries stabbing the younger guy with it, called ship security, they ended up breaking up the fight, put the passenger in the Brig and shut down the NYE party. But I've seen numerous situations, anytime you have 3000 people in one place fueled by booze something is going to break out, not to mention security staff is minimal our ship have 7 security guards. However these guys are not mall cops, all are former law enforcement or military. But still severely understaffed in my opinion.
Just from what I've seen lately it seems the security staff and medical staff are for show. Not really set up for anything more than the run of the mill things. Sucks that a family of 24 could impact a cruise experience for everyone else so blatantly
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If I see someone doing something thats going to hurt them I stop them and send them to the person on the desk.
There was a sports teacher in once with around 12 pupils, they were doing everything wrong, I told him he was supposed to be supervising them, he said he was just there to observe and not correct them as it was an exam.
I explained that if they hurt themselves he would be liable as he was there to supervise, he again said he wasnt, I then explained if he didnt correct them I would throw them all out as the gym owner wouldn't want a claim coming in from the parents of a child who ended up injured, he seemed to assume responsibility at that point.
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Just from what I've seen lately it seems the security staff and medical staff are for show. Not really set up for anything more than the run of the mill things. Sucks that a family of 24 could impact a cruise experience for everyone else so blatantly
Medical staff is small as well, I'm good friends with our doc, you wouldn't believe the things that guy goes through daily, heart attacks, strokes, most passengers are senior citizens or retirees, people die on board, suicides..all kinds of shit broski. I don't know any doctor that is in charge of the health of 4,000 people daily. Dudes on call 24-7.
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Medical staff is small as well, I'm good friends with our doc, you wouldn't believe the things that guy goes through daily, heart attacks, strokes, most passengers are senior citizens or retirees, people die on board, suicides..all kinds of shit broski. I don't know any doctor that is in charge of the health of 4,000 people daily. Dudes on call 24-7.
If a sail goes smoothly no problem. I was reading where a guy was paddle boarding on an excursion and fell into the serf and landed on coral. His feet were cut open. They got back to the ship and the ship doctor sowed him up with coral still inside. I'm sure this isn't the norm but jesus... I cruise a lot and will be cruising in March. I don't think I will be relying on the on ship doctor if I can avoid it
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If a sail goes smoothly no problem. I was reading where a guy was paddle boarding on an excursion and fell into the serf and landed on coral. His feet were cut open. They got back to the ship and the ship doctor sowed him up with coral still inside. I'm sure this isn't the norm but jesus... I cruise a lot and will be cruising in March. I don't think I will be relying on the on ship doctor if I can avoid it
If it's serious the doc will send you to hospital shore side, and if serious emergency, they will call a helicopter to fly passenger to the hospital, I've witness this as well. Tons of shit can go down on excursions, especially the adventerous ones like snorkeling, hiking, etc. Some crew have even injured and even died on breaks going cliff diving in Hawaii, dangerous stuff dude.
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If it's serious the doc will send you to hospital shore side, and if serious emergency, they will call a helicopter to fly passenger to the hospital, I've witness this as well. Tons of shit can go down on excursions, especially the adventerous ones like snorkeling, hiking, etc. Some crew have even injured and even died on breaks going cliff diving in Hawaii, dangerous stuff dude.
What cruise line are you affiliated with
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I'm not sure... I've come very close a couple of times, almost always when I'm in a vicious mood. Sometimes i think I just get so fatigued that everyone starts causing me anguish, just the sight of them.
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If I see someone doing something thats going to hurt them I stop them and send them to the person on the desk.
There was a sports teacher in once with around 12 pupils, they were doing everything wrong, I told him he was supposed to be supervising them, he said he was just there to observe and not correct them as it was an exam.
I explained that if they hurt themselves he would be liable as he was there to supervise, he again said he wasnt, I then explained if he didnt correct them I would throw them all out as the gym owner wouldn't want a claim coming in from the parents of a child who ended up injured, he seemed to assume responsibility at that point.
Hahaha typical. Of course you'd put your nose in other peoples business. "I'd stop them and send them to the desk"
Bwahahaha... I knew it.
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Hahaha typical. Of course you'd put your nose in other peoples business. "I'd stop them and send them to the desk"
Bwahahaha... I knew it.
its what adults do if they see other people in harms way.
You of course are so proficient in profiting in the misfortune of others wouldn't notice that.
Most personal trainers would speak to someone they saw doing something wrong, surely they can drum up some business, maybe you would know that if you were really a PT.
Jeez I still keep thinking that this is a gimmick account and posting stuff so fucking stupid just for attention, then i realise its really you Eric and you really are this fucking dumb.
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Hell no people can do whatever i couldnt care less.
If i see some guy pinned down on a bench press or something like that i will help ofc but other than that... Im no personal trainner and nothing I hate more than people giving me unsolicited advice (altho it doesnt really happen anymore)
I remember when i started i was doing cable rows then some blad middle aged chubby fuck told me "yeah u need to get gloves girls dont like ruff hands", I just nodded and smiled no big deal...
Then im going over to the rack to do deadlift, and the same fucking guy is like "do you know how to handle this equipment?" i just starred blankly i mean what the fuck is wrong with this guy.
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7 security guards + superman
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I only give advice to hot chicks on the squat rack.
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A few times. Couple of young kids and an older fella.
x2
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Never...Even if the guy has 11 inch arms they don't take it well.
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Never give any lifting advice in the gym. I notice hot women are constantly bombarded by guys giving lifting advice. I see more women that have better form than most men.
Stands to reason that they would what with all the advice.
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my 2 favourites
1-the time some dude told me he was a trainer and i was doing my squats wrong. i was actually doing good mornings
2-over the years people with half my forearm and lat size telling me i should not use straps when training back because of grip or some other lame bullshit. umm thanks
i think it is best to mind your business. the worst unsolicited advice givers have to be the personal trainers who have no experience yet think they know all because they took the weekend course and/or took some routine they found online or in a magazine and try to pass it off as something they invented.
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Never, I stand there hoping people hurt themselves so its one less gym goer in my way when I go to WARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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Was in the gym tonight and these two younger bros, probably like early 20s, were doing a deadlift session. They were both in good shape and I think one is a competitive amateur bodybuilder. They were strong but their form was abysmal. Most people, even experienced lifters, can't do a proper deadlift. As a lot of you know, I think the deadlift is a mostly worthless exercise, but a few years ago I read a really simple tip on how to keep perfect form that I've shared with other people and they've appreciated it. I never spoke to these guys before- i actually never saw them before- and I was debating whether or not to give them some guidance but I decided not to. If they looked more like beginners, for that particular exercise I definitely would have. However, I decided not to because I think they would've felt like I was trying to gym neg them.
In the past, when people have given me unsolicited advice I have had to still myself from saying "Why don't you focus on your own fucking workout?" Once while I was doing lying chest flys a guy came up to me between sets and told me that I shouldn't bang the weights together because little particles are released and even if I don't see it now, years down the road it could cause serious damage to my eyesight. He was perfectly nice and sincere about it, but I just kept thinking that was the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
Are y'all helpful in the gym or do you keep your advices to yourselves?
Anybody who thinks deadlifts are worthless shouldn't be giving advice.
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Was in the gym tonight and these two younger bros, probably like early 20s, were doing a deadlift session. They were both in good shape and I think one is a competitive amateur bodybuilder. They were strong but their form was abysmal. Most people, even experienced lifters, can't do a proper deadlift. As a lot of you know, I think the deadlift is a mostly worthless exercise, but a few years ago I read a really simple tip on how to keep perfect form that I've shared with other people and they've appreciated it. I never spoke to these guys before- i actually never saw them before- and I was debating whether or not to give them some guidance but I decided not to. If they looked more like beginners, for that particular exercise I definitely would have. However, I decided not to because I think they would've felt like I was trying to gym neg them.
In the past, when people have given me unsolicited advice I have had to still myself from saying "Why don't you focus on your own fucking workout?" Once while I was doing lying chest flys a guy came up to me between sets and told me that I shouldn't bang the weights together because little particles are released and even if I don't see it now, years down the road it could cause serious damage to my eyesight. He was perfectly nice and sincere about it, but I just kept thinking that was the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
Are y'all helpful in the gym or do you keep your advices to yourselves?
so you're that guy in the gym who bangs dumbbells together . . .
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Unsolicited lifting advice is a big no-no to me. Bad form........no pun intended.
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its what adults do if they see other people in harms way.
You of course are so proficient in profiting in the misfortune of others wouldn't notice that.
Most personal trainers would speak to someone they saw doing something wrong, surely they can drum up some business, maybe you would know that if you were really a PT.
Jeez I still keep thinking that this is a gimmick account and posting stuff so fucking stupid just for attention, then i realise its really you Eric and you really are this fucking dumb.
"Most pts"? Coming from someone like you who's never been a pt? Much less even worked in a gym... And has zero social skills and unable to interact with others in any sense. Lol what a Fucken joke.
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A few times. Couple of young kids and an older fella.
Both recovering nicely from there hernia operations ;D
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"Most pts"? Coming from someone like you who's never been a pt? Much less even worked in a gym... And has zero social skills and unable to interact with others in any sense. Lol what a Fucken joke.
You are aware there isn't any evidence of you doing either of those as well aren't you?
I manage perfectly well interacting with others, its my job you moron...
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Was in the gym tonight and these two younger bros, probably like early 20s, were doing a deadlift session. They were both in good shape and I think one is a competitive amateur bodybuilder. They were strong but their form was abysmal. Most people, even experienced lifters, can't do a proper deadlift. As a lot of you know, I think the deadlift is a mostly worthless exercise, but a few years ago I read a really simple tip on how to keep perfect form that I've shared with other people and they've appreciated it. I never spoke to these guys before- i actually never saw them before- and I was debating whether or not to give them some guidance but I decided not to. If they looked more like beginners, for that particular exercise I definitely would have. However, I decided not to because I think they would've felt like I was trying to gym neg them.
In the past, when people have given me unsolicited advice I have had to still myself from saying "Why don't you focus on your own fucking workout?" Once while I was doing lying chest flys a guy came up to me between sets and told me that I shouldn't bang the weights together because little particles are released and even if I don't see it now, years down the road it could cause serious damage to my eyesight. He was perfectly nice and sincere about it, but I just kept thinking that was the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
Are y'all helpful in the gym or do you keep your advices to yourselves?
Deadlift = useless exercise??? Ok den......
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Was in the gym tonight and these two younger bros, probably like early 20s, were doing a deadlift session. They were both in good shape and I think one is a competitive amateur bodybuilder. They were strong but their form was abysmal. Most people, even experienced lifters, can't do a proper deadlift. As a lot of you know, I think the deadlift is a mostly worthless exercise, but a few years ago I read a really simple tip on how to keep perfect form that I've shared with other people and they've appreciated it. I never spoke to these guys before- i actually never saw them before- and I was debating whether or not to give them some guidance but I decided not to. If they looked more like beginners, for that particular exercise I definitely would have. However, I decided not to because I think they would've felt like I was trying to gym neg them.
In the past, when people have given me unsolicited advice I have had to still myself from saying "Why don't you focus on your own fucking workout?" Once while I was doing lying chest flys a guy came up to me between sets and told me that I shouldn't bang the weights together because little particles are released and even if I don't see it now, years down the road it could cause serious damage to my eyesight. He was perfectly nice and sincere about it, but I just kept thinking that was the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
Are y'all helpful in the gym or do you keep your advices to yourselves?
lol. the bolded is a good reason why you shouldn't be giving anyone lifting advice.
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lol. the bolded is a good reason why you shouldn't be giving anyone lifting advice.
Why do you think I'm wrong about the deadlift?
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Why do you think I'm wrong about the deadlift?
because it's one of, if not the single most productive lift there is. for the first few years of training was pretty much the only back exercise i did.
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Why do you think I'm wrong about the deadlift?
because you are a fucking moron if you truly believe a compound, multi-joint movement such as the deadlift is in any way useless!!!
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because it's one of, if not the single most productive lift there is. for the first few years of training was pretty much the only back exercise i did.
No it isn't. I've gone over this countless times in a number of different threads. People always start out defending deadlifts but then eventually admit it's not a good bodybuilding exercise at all and not really good for any particular bodypart, but still stick to claiming it's the king of exercises.
Cliffs:
*You have old people who pick up deading in their senior years and end up pulling hundreds of pounds. Would not happen on any other exercise.
*You have people who look like holocaust survivors who can pull hundreds of pounds. You can put up amazing deadlift numbers and it doesn't reflect at all in your physique. Does not happen with any other exercise.
*The strength you acquire on deadlift doesn't translate to other exercises. Those old people and teenage girls who put up amazing deadlift numbers aren't usually doing amazing squat numbers or breaking records doing chin up or lat pull downs.
I could go on and on and I have across multiple threads. If you thought about it rationally, you would come to the same conclusion. You don't find videos like this of other power movements.
I'm sure you can find some anomalies of people benching or squatting more than it looks like they are capable of, but there are pages and pages of vids of people who look like they'd have trouble setting up their own bar pulling hundreds of pounds. You just don't find a similar thing with other power movements.
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You are aware there isn't any evidence of you doing either of those as well aren't you?
I manage perfectly well interacting with others, its my job you moron...
No it isn't. You dont interact with anybody. Id be surprised if you could even order food at a restaurant without fucking it it up or typing it out on your flip phone for the waitress to read. Fucking crosseyed autistic adult with zero social skills hahahaha holy fuck everything you type is comedy.
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Ah, the old deadlift argument - pointless or not? Well if you're a powerlifter the answer is obvious. If not, I personally think Romanian Deadlifts may be a much better variation in terms of visible growth, lesser CNS deficit, and ability to increase frequency and/or volume.
Maybe it depends on build and levers also? I've known guys who grew just great using conventional deads as a staple and guys who didn't.
Luckily we have "Chuckles" who will probably be along shortly admonishing us all to just shut up and squat - and he's kinda right, so.........
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No it isn't. You dont interact with anybody. Id be surprised if you could even order food at a restaurant without fucking it it up or typing it out on your flip phone for the waitress to read. Fucking crosseyed autistic adult with zero social skills hahahaha holy fuck everything you type is comedy.
hahaha. you know nothing about me fuckwit...
You're one of lifes losers, no prospects, no future (apart from a jail cell), it wont be long before you are drunk behind the wheel again, chances are you will end up killing someone because of your own selfish stupidity.
at least them we might get a break from your bullshit, but then again, you would probably get your own cell with wifi and an iphone.
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Only when I wanted to get laid...
Bench
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Only when I wanted to get laid...
Bench
Bench, welcome back!!!!
You've been missed. NO HOMO
Yeah, whole darn place had gone downhill since your last post in 2015. :-\
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Bench, welcome back!!!!
You've been missed. NO HOMO
Yeah, whole darn place had gone downhill since your last post in 2015. :-\
Yeah, I honestly forgot about this place...then I told someone at work that they were “gayer than the day is long” and it jogged my memory..decided to make an appearance
Bench
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Yeah, I honestly forgot about this place...then I told someone at work that they were “gayer than the day is long” and it jogged my memory..decided to make an appearance
Bench
LOL
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I've seen some crazy shit, lots of interesting stories, one involving fighting happened on New Years Eve a few years ago, it was in our nightclub, the place was madness, very packed and just overall felt unsafe, too many people in one place, anyway, we have these little glass tables with chairs all around our dance floor, so people can sit and enjoy, I guess this younger guy early 20's bumped into the table while he was dancing and knocked over this couples bottles that were on the table, the drinks spilled all over this dude's wife's dress and this guy went off, young guy was a black dude, husband was hispanic probably late 30's they start talking shit, they scuffle, the husband grabs one of the broken bottles and tries stabbing the younger guy with it, called ship security, they ended up breaking up the fight, put the passenger in the Brig and shut down the NYE party. But I've seen numerous situations, anytime you have 3000 people in one place fueled by booze something is going to break out, not to mention security staff is minimal our ship has 7 security guards. However these guys are not mall cops, all are former law enforcement or military. But still severely understaffed in my opinion.
What is this "Brig"? Some kind of onboard jail? Speak on this brother...
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Medical staff is small as well, I'm good friends with our doc, you wouldn't believe the things that guy goes through daily, heart attacks, strokes, most passengers are senior citizens or retirees, people die on board, suicides..all kinds of shit broski. I don't know any doctor that is in charge of the health of 4,000 people daily. Dudes on call 24-7.
Suicides? Jumping in the ocean?
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Bump for.answers
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The exercises I cant stand seeing being performed incorrectly are flat and incline bench presses where skinny idiots of all ages bring the bar only half way down and then have their skinny friend help with each rep. I enjoy nothing more than seeing some dudes doing half reps with 200lbs on the bench while their friend upright rows half the weight because I will usually go up to them and say that they should be bringing it down full way. I then will demonstrate and talk to them while performing 15-20 reps which they find hard to believe as I'm in my mid 50's.
Then I tell them to have a go and they always completely bomb out on the first full rep and I have to lift it off them. Drop the weight to 120lbs and help them achieve 8 good reps. Lesson learned and ego burst hopefully.
They always thank me and call me sir and enjoy the positive role model image that I radiate. :D
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The only thing that bothers me is throwing the dumbbells down, only bc they get bent and the gym is so slow to replace them
Otherwise, you can do your exercises in the most half-assed way you can think of .. won't affect me
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What is this "Brig"? Some kind of onboard jail? Speak on this brother...
Yes it's an on board jail cell in the security quarters where they hold a passenger until local authorities are able to be notified and arrest the passenger.
Suicides? Jumping in the ocean?
Can be, also people o.d. in cabins, it happens on ships, if you google it you can find stories on this.
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Saw a guy today making micro-rom tricep extentions, so I pulled him off the bench and explained him the importance of full extentions
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I stay quiet but ego lifting pisses me off. I know it doesn't effect me but seeing a guy strut around like a peacock after doing a short range of motion does aggravate me. This guy puts the seat all the way down in the seated press machine. Then he put the pin in the bottom stack while he does half reps. The clueless compliment him on his "strength." If that seat was at the proper height to make the exercise as difficult as possible through a full rep he wouldn't be able to use half the stack.
You see this everywhere in the gym. Guys use half reps in the dumbbell shoulder press sliding their ass out so it's really an incline press. If they stayed upright and truly brought the dumbbells all the way down instead of ego lifting, those 90lbs dumbbells would be 50lb dumbbells.
Bodybuilding is filled with guys trying to prove they are a man. If you need proof of this look at the leg press. A million pounds and a very shallow bend of the knees. How about guys deadlifting off a raised power rack because they could never get that much off the floor? It's all over the place. Half chest and shoulder presses. Shallow squats and even pull ups/pull downs enter the picture. A pull up shouldn't count if you kip or don't go all the way down and almost touch the upper region of the chest having your elbows all the way down.
I don't give advice in the gym but if I ever break down and do I would say, Do the exercise in a manner that puts the most amount of work on a muscle instead of doing it the easiest way. Simple physics dictates the more distance a weight is moved the more work is being accomplished.
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Funny story happened to me yesterday in the gym, I saw this guy doing chest (flat bench barbell) and before every set he was asking some one for a spot, so I'm training, headphones on, walking to the water fountain the guy asks me for a spot, so ok sure no problem, he's got 2 plates and some change on the bar, he tells me he needs a lift off, up and over on 3, ok no problem, 1,2,3...I try helping him on the lift off the bar isn't moving, so I literally begin to help the lift of with everything I got, bar isn't moving, he's looking up at me telling me to lift, I say I'm giving it everything I got man, he just shakes his head in dissapointment, without saying anything I put my headphones on and go right back to training. This is one instance I wanted to give some advice and say, if you can't even get the bar off the rack on your own, you probably shouldn't be lifting these type of poundages.
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Funny story happened to me yesterday in the gym, I saw this guy doing chest (flat bench barbell) and before every set he was asking some one for a spot, so I'm training, headphones on, walking to the water fountain the guy asks me for a spot, so ok sure no problem, he's got 2 plates and some change on the bar, he tells me he needs a lift off, up and over on 3, ok no problem, 1,2,3...I try helping him on the lift off the bar isn't moving, so I literally begin to help the lift of with everything I got, bar isn't moving, he's looking up at me telling me to lift, I say I'm giving it everything I got man, he just shakes his head in dissapointment, without saying anything I put my headphones on and go right back to training. This is one instance I wanted to give some advice and say, if you can't even get the bar off the rack on your own, you probably shouldn't be lifting these type of poundages.
Sounds like he finally met a good spotter, one that doesn't perform 50% of the lifting...
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Sounds like he finally met a good spotter, one that doesn't perform 50% of the lifting...
Not joking I was curling the bar with everything I had in me, veins popping out, I'm turning red, the bar wouldn't budge. The guy was asking for a spot for every single set he did, then rest for 5 minutes between sets. I never saw anything like it. I don't hate on anyone or make fun of people, but this guy either needs to lighten his weights or find a solid training partner. The fuck man..
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Not joking I was curling the bar with everything I had in me, veins popping out, I'm turning red, the bar wouldn't budge. The guy was asking for a spot for every single set he did, then rest for 5 minutes between sets. I never saw anything like it. I don't hate on anyone or make fun of people, but this guy either needs to lighten his weights or find a solid training partner. The fuck man..
Sound like a typical rookie. Most gyms are packed with individuals like these because there's close to zero education other than some 'Youtube wisdom'... If I had a gym, then I would organize training camps, just to provide guys a solid foundation.
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Sound like a typical rookie. Most gyms are packed with individuals like these because there's close to zero education other than some 'Youtube wisdom'... If I had a gym, then I would organize training camps, just to provide guys a solid foundation.
Not slamming you, but I bet this would do little to no good. I constantly see "experts" doing things incorrectly, giving out bad instruction, etc. And it seems like a lot of people generally don't have any perception of how they actually perform exercises. People claim they do deep squats and leg presses when they barely do a quarter of the movement. People think they train balls to the wall when 90% of their workout is sitting and resting. Even when watching pros train in videos, they'll describe their chinups full range of motion and crisp and they'll be doing choppy half-reps, for example. And I'm sure I'm guilty of this in some aspects, too.
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This is a great example of a tosser doing part reps on an overloaded leg press and then getting his rightful comeuppance.
He was very lucky the stoppers were where they were or it could have been even nastier. :D
Don't know how to embed youtube but this is the link.
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This is a great example of a tosser doing part reps on an overloaded leg press and then getting his rightful comeuppance.
He was very lucky the stoppers were where they were or it could have been even nastier. :D
Don't know how to embed youtube but this is the link.
Holy fuck... I've never seen that one before. I don't wish gym accidents on anyone, but ego lifting es no bueno.
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Saw a guy today making micro-rom tricep extentions, so I pulled him off the bench and explained him the importance of full extentions
Bloke at my gym does 3 or 4 hundred micro dips in the change room before working out, what was more weird was his whole workout is the same, literally his range is 1-2 inches on every exercise
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I always try to lift heavy weights (heavy weights for me) in a good range of motion. I might fail in that goal in some circumstances but I think I do a good job. I was talking with top bodybuilder from the past now in his 80's about heavy weights. I won't mention his name but he is without a doubt one of the top 5 in bodybuilding history in my opinion. I don't want to speak for him but the drift I got from it was is that your there to train your muscles and not your ego especially as you age. For an example I use around 100lbs in the EZ curl bar to start every bicep workout. I'm thinking about taking it down to 70lbs so I can slow down the curl and have a better slower cadence. Might actually get better results making a light weight "heavy".
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I always try to lift heavy weights (heavy weights for me) in a good range of motion. I might fail in that goal in some circumstances but I think I do a good job. I was talking with top bodybuilder from the past now in his 80's about heavy weights. I won't mention his name but he is without a doubt one of the top 5 in bodybuilding history in my opinion. I don't want to speak for him but the drift I got from it was is that your there to train your muscles and not your ego especially as you age. For an example I use around 100lbs in the EZ curl bar to start every bicep workout. I'm thinking about taking it down to 70lbs so I can slow down the curl and have a better slower cadence. Might actually get better results making a light weight "heavy".
You should train with Milos
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I always try to lift heavy weights (heavy weights for me) in a good range of motion. I might fail in that goal in some circumstances but I think I do a good job. I was talking with top bodybuilder from the past now in his 80's about heavy weights. I won't mention his name but he is without a doubt one of the top 5 in bodybuilding history in my opinion. I don't want to speak for him but the drift I got from it was is that your there to train your muscles and not your ego especially as you age. For an example I use around 100lbs in the EZ curl bar to start every bicep workout. I'm thinking about taking it down to 70lbs so I can slow down the curl and have a better slower cadence. Might actually get better results making a light weight "heavy".
that would be Al Beckles, the only other guy still alive is Ed Corney and he is still trying to train with heavy weights...
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This is a great example of a tosser doing part reps on an overloaded leg press and then getting his rightful comeuppance.
He was very lucky the stoppers were where they were or it could have been even nastier. :D
Don't know how to embed youtube but this is the link.
Jeez that leg might have to be amputated
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Not slamming you, but I bet this would do little to no good. I constantly see "experts" doing things incorrectly, giving out bad instruction, etc. And it seems like a lot of people generally don't have any perception of how they actually perform exercises. People claim they do deep squats and leg presses when they barely do a quarter of the movement. People think they train balls to the wall when 90% of their workout is sitting and resting. Even when watching pros train in videos, they'll describe their chinups full range of motion and crisp and they'll be doing choppy half-reps, for example. And I'm sure I'm guilty of this in some aspects, too.
Training, nutrition, supplementation.. there are always multiple schools, which makes it hard to tell which is right and which isn't. If someone is applying his own principles and it's both safe and effective for multiple people, and he's also able to explain how and why, then I believe such a person is qualified to demonstrate & explain his views.
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Training, nutrition, supplementation.. there are always multiple schools, which makes it hard to tell which is right and which isn't. If someone is applying his own principles and it's both safe and effective for multiple people, and he's also able to explain how and why, then I believe such a person is qualified to demonstrate & explain his views.
That sort of reinforces my point, though. You don't really need to be an exercise expert to make progress. Like the guys I described in my opening post, they were doing heavy deadlifts and had good physiques, but their form was poor and looked like injuries waiting to happen. Do you think guys like that would be interested in a training camp unless it was hosted by a fitness celebrity? Every mid-upper tier gym I've ever joined has offered a free series of training sessions and i've never used them. I've been working out for 20 years. The guy the poster described who was convinced he was doing 250 bps... do you think he would really be interested in a beginner's training camp? Do you think he even has the self-awareness that his training method makes him look like a jackass?
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That sort of reinforces my point, though. You don't really need to be an exercise expert to make progress. Like the guys I described in my opening post, they were doing heavy deadlifts and had good physiques, but their form was poor and looked like injuries waiting to happen. Do you think guys like that would be interested in a training camp unless it was hosted by a fitness celebrity? Every mid-upper tier gym I've ever joined has offered a free series of training sessions and i've never used them. I've been working out for 20 years. The guy the poster described who was convinced he was doing 250 bps... do you think he would really be interested in a beginner's training camp? Do you think he even has the self-awareness that his training method makes him look like a jackass?
bottom line, if they look better than you keep quiet . you'll only come off as a fool giving random strangers with better physiques than yourself lifting advice.
perhaps they were doing some form of "cheat" technique that is beyond your understanding.
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bottom line, if they look better than you keep quiet . you'll only come off as a fool giving random strangers with better physiques than yourself lifting advice.
perhaps they were doing some form of "cheat" technique that is beyond your understanding.
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Thanks. I was waiting for you to weigh in with the "bottom line". Now the thread can be locked.
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Thanks. I was waiting for you to weigh in with the "bottom line". Now the thread can be locked.
your welcome! :D
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Perhaps some good Samaritan can tell Eric Spoto that his JM presses are basically just close grips done to his neck and not really the 75% press/ 25% crusher hybrid that Blakely originated?
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No but I get solicited frequently.