Sammy
i think van halen are a much underated band.
Diamond Dave by far...
Greatest front man of all time...Axl. Greatest lead guitarist? Slash...
Greatest vocalist? sebastian bach.
g'n'r was a great band but way overrated. they had one good cd and after that they got weird. no one cruises listening to use your illusion or the spaghetti incident. although it's hard to hate a guy who made up his name by mixing around the letters in "oral sex". ;DBitch please! Maybe not 'spaghetti' but I have Use/Illusions 1&2 up in my ride right now. Coma, Estranged, Garden, You could be Mine, Double Talkin Jive...all bigtime JAMS! Civil war?
not my speed so much. far as i'm concerned those are the load and reload of g'n'r, and the only good song to come out of them was november rain which ended up being overplayed like crazy. poison had their moments, i liked twisted sister myself. and of course, def leppard.
Bitch please! Maybe not 'spaghetti' but I have Use/Illusions 1&2 up in my ride right now. Coma, Estranged, Garden, You could be Mine, Double Talkin Jive...all bigtime JAMS! Civil war?
I also have in my ride...Cinderella(Long Cold Winter/Night Songs) and everything by Poison.
Cinderella was way underrated.
u like judas priest or saxon?
i perosanally prefer the british punk/ska bands of the l8 70's early 80's.
didn't listen to much saxon, but everyone loves priest. he was one of the first real metal figures. no surprise at all that he was gay, but still badass.
they definitely could have been, corinth, but my point is they didn't. the band just fell apart because axl was a dumbass. all that potential, there ain't a band out there who had a better debut.
Sammy was better. He's back now? - please confirm.
Dave had all the moves but Sammy is/was a better singer and could get a better range from the band..
Guns was definitely the one band of the 80s that could have been big...I mean Stones big.......all the songs you listed kick ass, as well as Don't Cry, Knockin on Heavens DoorWord! In the song 'Double Talkin Jive' it's great cuz at the end of the lyrics before that awesome guitar solo Axl is like..."you dig...youknowwhatImsayin?" Hahahaha!
Word! In the song 'Double Talkin Jive' it's great cuz at the end of the lyrics before that awesome guitar solo Axl is like..."you dig...youknowwhatImsayin?" Hahahaha!
My first show 3 yrs ago...I posed to POISON's Fallen Angel. My 2nd show I did Cindferella 'Gypsy Road'.
case in point. i know you're too young to have listened to van halen when they were actually relevant, so ask your mom if she has any old tapes laying around and listen to the self-titled and II.HaHa owned!
That's a BAD ASS song! Download 'NightSongs'. Or 'Comming Home'.
Cinderella is definitely underrated. I have "Nobody's Fool" on my mp3 player right now.
Sammy is not in the band anymore. He tours on his own and I've been to all of his solo tours since the departure from VH in 06. He can still put on a great show and does his shows with Michael Anthony for at least half the show. The band is ready to tour in 2007 with DLR as the lead singer. Michael Anthony, the bass player, as of now will not tour with the band. Eddie's son, so far, is slated to be the bass player for the tour. They may also have a "guest" tour also as another bass player.
As far as which singer is the best...matter of opinion. Sammy had better range but Dave could really entertain the crowd. However, VH never debuted at #1 on the album charts till Sammy came along and 5150 was released. Dave can't sing worth shit now, mostly talkes through all the songs (saw him this past summer). But the tour will be entertaining.
David Lee Roth IS Van Halen
I prefer GARY SHERONE. ;DAnyone else a fan of Extreme's "More than Words"
I would garentee that I know more about VH than anyone on this site. I've got stuff from them as far back as 1974 when they played the starwood and the whiskey. I've got the demos they did with gene simmons, I've got the 25 song demo they did for warner bros. I've got the last concert they did before VH1, I've got about 150 shows on cassette from 74-95. I've got stuff sammy did with montrose for a radio broadcast in 73 and 74, I've got the 5150 demos at least 100 videos...I've got almost everything a VH fan could want.
Both guys are great, Dave was an incredible showman but he was a gigantic ego maniac at the end. He did a 10 or 15 minute Ti-Chi solo on the 1984 tour-BTW the backing music for this turned out to be Mine all Mine from OU812. The boots from 84 and almost unlistenable, they sound terrible, DAve does not sing anymore he "talks" all the words. His albums he did were classic, I won't take it away from him.
Sammy's stuff is "different" alot of different things happened when Sam came along. Eddie wanted to do keyboard songs and sam could do em. 5150 and OU812 are great records but they're not as rockin as Dave's stuff but I still think they're great records. 5150 is great from begining to end, incredible music. OU812 is very diverse but it has some filler. f**k and BAlance are both really good, f**k being my favorite VH record..period.
I've seen VH about 8 times, Sammy about 7 and Dave 4 times.
In my opinion...I like Sam better but I would never take away what Dave did with the band.
not really. If that was the case he'd have been a popular solo artist and he couldn't sell shit as far back as 88. VH was still one of the biggest bands in the world all the way up unitl the minute Sam got the boot in 96.
I would garentee that I know more about VH than anyone on this site. I've got stuff from them as far back as 1974 when they played the starwood and the whiskey. I've got the demos they did with gene simmons, I've got the 25 song demo they did for warner bros. I've got the last concert they did before VH1, I've got about 150 shows on cassette from 74-95. I've got stuff sammy did with montrose for a radio broadcast in 73 and 74, I've got the 5150 demos at least 100 videos...I've got almost everything a VH fan could want.
Both guys are great, Dave was an incredible showman but he was a gigantic ego maniac at the end. He did a 10 or 15 minute Ti-Chi solo on the 1984 tour-BTW the backing music for this turned out to be Mine all Mine from OU812. The boots from 84 and almost unlistenable, they sound terrible, DAve does not sing anymore he "talks" all the words. His albums he did were classic, I won't take it away from him.
Sammy's stuff is "different" alot of different things happened when Sam came along. Eddie wanted to do keyboard songs and sam could do em. 5150 and OU812 are great records but they're not as rockin as Dave's stuff but I still think they're great records. 5150 is great from begining to end, incredible music. OU812 is very diverse but it has some filler. f**k and BAlance are both really good, f**k being my favorite VH record..period.
I've seen VH about 8 times, Sammy about 7 and Dave 4 times.
In my opinion...I like Sam better but I would never take away what Dave did with the band.
not really. If that was the case he'd have been a popular solo artist and he couldn't sell shit as far back as 88. VH was still one of the biggest bands in the world all the way up unitl the minute Sam got the boot in 96.
Naturalal, I agree, 5150 is great, one of those cd's you put on and don't have to skip one song. But the first two VH albums with Dave are incredible. To most people that will always be Van Halen. I still get chills whenever the intro to You really got me comes on to this day and have to turn the volume up.
Here's a cool little known VH fact:
Marshal Berle used to manage VH-he's the nephew of Milton Berle. Anyway rumor has it Dave didn't get along with him very well. Dave's dad was a very wealthy Doctor and used his money to get Berle out of the picture. The band then hired Niel Monk to manage him, Niel and Dave were very close. Some people believed that Niel was hired with the sole intention of pushing Dave.
Eddie used to turn his back to the crowd when he did his solos so nobody could steal his technique.
Naturalal, I agree, 5150 is great, one of those cd's you put on and don't have to skip one song. But the first two VH albums with Dave are incredible. To most people that will always be Van Halen. I still get chills whenever the intro to You really got me comes on to this day and have to turn the volume up.
I like the guitar sound in "summer nights"
Natural al, wasn't there a story behind the song "Jamie's crying" also? Do you know it?
it's actully recorded on a stienberg guitar using a trans trem device. It lets you go up and down in keys while playing or something. Ed plays it on Summer nights and on Get up off of 5150. He uses something similar on Pleasure Dome from f**k and Me Wise Magic form BOV1. I think he used it for Ballot or the bullet form VH3 also.
They stopped playing summer nights in 91 cause eddie signed with music man and couldn't use the stienberg guitar anymore.
Damn Al...some great info...thought i knew the most! A sittar was used for Ballot or the Bullet off of III. Good point about the demos...you ever hear "Voodoo Queen"? Great song! They later used the music for the song "Mean Street".
I actually thought Templeman and Roth were close?
I listen to the 5150 album most when i work out, i really like the energy, especially from "Good Enough". Oh and fyi, at the Sammy tour this summer, they were playing "Summer Nights". Sammy said it is the most requested song to play live...played that and "Good Enough". Sounded pretty good too, but would've prefered to see the Van Hales bros. perform it with him.
They're actually up for RR Hall of Fame this next year.
Al I heard that Michael Anthony didn't play when they recorded albums is this true?
Do you know if VH has any plans to release a box set that contains old and new plus any of the unreleased stuff you've mentioned?
Al I heard that Michael Anthony didn't play when they recorded albums is this true?
Mike didn't do any of the bass on the 3 songs that came out on BOBW. They called Sammy in and he did the vocals and then Sammy talked them into calling Mike in to lay down backing vocals....kinda crappy for Mike. The brothers were mad at him for touring with Sam.
Al, I have "That's Why I Love You" on cd...found it one day on Kazaa a few years back...pretty cool tune actually.
I'd love to hear some of the old club stuff. I have the US Festival show in full, in color saved on my computer. Dave is hilarious on it! So wasted on the opening song "Romeo's Delight" he forgets the words and makes it known to the crowd...great stuff. There is NO band out there like VH or any other band of that era for that matter. Seems like no bands today have any staying power. I'm sure i'm missing some, but Metallica, Aerosmith, Def Leppard just to name a few...they're a dying breed unfortunately. What else ya know Al...some good sh*t!
Ya, that porn was "shot" pun intended, at Ed's house. I hear ya though...i'm a fan of all of their music. I just think they are/were a great band. The hall of fame thing...if they do get in and perform...dont they have to perform with all 3 singers??
Natural Al,
I will admit you are a formidable adversary when it comes to Van Halen history and trivia! Just an update however, Van Halen and Warner Bros. have officially parted ways.
Ed built his guitars for most of the early stuff he did. The guitar on the cover of women and children first was on loan from WASP's Blackie Lawless...ed loved that guitar but decided it would look better if he modified it and took a chainsaw to it and ruined the sound of it.
Ibanez destroyer ;)
Sammy Hagar or David lee roth?
best song?
panama?
Greatest vocalist? sebastian bach.
u like judas priest or saxon?
Sammy is not in the band anymore. He tours on his own and I've been to all of his solo tours since the departure from VH in 06. He can still put on a great show and does his shows with Michael Anthony for at least half the show. The band is ready to tour in 2007 with DLR as the lead singer. Michael Anthony, the bass player, as of now will not tour with the band. Eddie's son, so far, is slated to be the bass player for the tour. They may also have a "guest" tour also as another bass player.
As far as which singer is the best...matter of opinion. Sammy had better range but Dave could really entertain the crowd. However, VH never debuted at #1 on the album charts till Sammy came along and 5150 was released. Dave can't sing worth shit now, mostly talkes through all the songs (saw him this past summer). But the tour will be entertaining.
Here's a cool little known VH fact:
Marshal Berle used to manage VH-he's the nephew of Milton Berle. Anyway rumor has it Dave didn't get along with him very well. Dave's dad was a very wealthy Doctor and used his money to get Berle out of the picture. The band then hired Niel Monk to manage him, Niel and Dave were very close. Some people believed that Niel was hired with the sole intention of pushing Dave.
Eddie used to turn his back to the crowd when he did his solos so nobody could steal his technique.
Rumor has it that Ted Templeman pushed hard for Sammy Hagar to replace dave as far back as 1978. He presented this to the band and they turned him down. Wether this is true or not has never been confirmed but when Sammy and VH played a few festivals Ed went over and said "hi" to sam and told him he really dug the stuff sammy did with montrose. Ed later said that dAve was all pissy about sammy. Sam didn't even know that he was up for consideration until he joined the band. Ed, Al, Sam and Mike talk about this alot in interviews from 86-88.
Here's a cool little known VH fact:
Marshal Berle used to manage VH-he's the nephew of Milton Berle. Anyway rumor has it Dave didn't get along with him very well. Dave's dad was a very wealthy Doctor and used his money to get Berle out of the picture. The band then hired Niel Monk to manage him, Niel and Dave were very close. Some people believed that Niel was hired with the sole intention of pushing Dave.
I think Gary's already said he won't show up....I'm not sure about that. It's gonna be a mess no matter what. Ed hates everybody these days but Alex and Al might be walking a thin line these days. Al and Sam still talk from what I hear...that could land Al in outsville with everyone else.
Diamond Dave by far...
Greatest front man of all time...Axl. Greatest lead guitarist? Slash...
Greatest vocalist? sebastian bach.
I don't believe the thing about trying to replace Roth in 1978. Thats just utter crap. For one thing Van Halens debut wasn't released until April of 1978 so why would there be talk of ditching Dave when they were just releasing a record he sang? Another thing: ROTH QUIT! He wasn't forced out. He was an EQUAL partner in Van Halen. He owned the Van Halen name as much as Eddie or Alex.
I actually think that DLR left the band. Seems as though he thought he could do it all on his own, just my opinion. Natural Al is right...the production on the Carnal Knowledge album is simply the greatest. Those drums sound so damn clear...Pleasure Dome, thats a tough one to beat on the album. Michael Anthony's voice in the backing vocals is key for that band to sound like Van Halen...without him, I dont think the harmony etc. would sound the same at all.
I have some of the Inside magz as well, a lot of good stories in there. I also have 1984 Trivia book which has some of the facts that have been posted..kind of a cool "book" to read.
DLR.
despite being technically inferior to hagar, he was still the better frontman.
who gives a shit about them anyway? the entire bands was the eddie van halen show.
David Lee Roth IS Van HalenSilly; solo careers don't have much correlation to one's value in a group context. Too many examples of this that your tiny brain hasn't even considered, apparently. Besides which, he did well initially, which contradicts the thesis. Stupid. Other guy's right DLR IS VH (combined with Hagar).
not really. If that was the case he'd have been a popular solo artist and he couldn't sell shit as far back as 88.
About the 04 songs. Waht you said was true but Ed and Al made Mike sign a waiver so he now has no rights to the VH name and he took a big pay cut to go out on the 04 tour. Mike cannot do an appearance as "Van Halens Mike Anthony" at this point....he has no rights to the name and no say so to anything the band does.
well both ted templeman and Donn Landee worked with Sam in the past as they were the production team for both montrose albums. This is a story that was told by Ed, Al and Mike a bunch of times from 86-91, I'm pretty sure they talk about it on the 1986 MTV Van Halen Unleased special and on the Rockumentary specials. Did it actually happen or are they talking shit? I don't know. Is it possible? Sure it is. Templeman and sam have worked together on numerous occasions, both montrose CD's, sammy's VOA cd, Ted sat in on some initial recordings for 5150 and Ted worked alot with Sam for all the lyrics and vocals for the Carnal Knowledge disk. I've read that Ed and Dave NEVER got along...and I've also read that they did get along. There is alot of "muddy" points that go along with VH, most of it is said after the fact so nobody really knows what's true and what isn't.
I believe Dave left on his own. He had a movie going with CBS, you can probobly find the script for "Crazy From the heat" somewhere on the net, I know it used to be on VHlinks before the site got hacked. The band was very disfunctional from 80 on....I'm suprised they lasted as long as they did, Dave was a very overpowering presence..if half the stuff I've read about him is true then I'm suprised nobody shot the guy before he left.
Valerie Bertinelli = Yoko Ono
Hard to match Ono but you might be right. :-X :-X
We used to see Ono and Lennon walking in Central park when we were kids. f**k, Ono was one ugly bitch.
sammy hagar by far
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Valerie Bertinelli = Yoko Ono
Dave would have been around for another couple of albums without the meddling bitchwhore dragging Eddie around by his dick.
How is Roth's hair situation these days? I saw him on that Sam and Dave tour and DLR's hair looked kind of funky?
val didn't have anything to do with it. Dave was pissed that she wanted to meet eddie backstage the first time she went to see them.
Dave did it to himself, he quit, he did a solo cd, he had a movie deal with CBS films, he had an ego the size of the moon. His ego destroyed his first solo band, driving away billy sheehan then steve vai...getting rid of templeman....it goes on and on..
it's not good.
Al, was anyone "normal" in VH? I saw Roth on tv a while back in an interview and all he did was blink. He sure was acting goofy. I get the distinct impression Alex and especially Edward are eccentric.Listened to DLR almost every day during his recent brief radio tenure here in NY. Very easy to see he'd be a load: overpowering, a little out of control, seemingly with ADD & a little out there-all reminiscent of Tommy Lee. Interesting but exhausting.
Al, was anyone "normal" in VH? I saw Roth on tv a while back in an interview and all he did was blink. He sure was acting goofy. I get the distinct impression Alex and especially Edward are eccentric.
everybody seems totally normal...
On-camera behavior for a few minutes is hardly indicative..
I have hundreds of taped interviews, hundreds of magazine interviews...could they be faking it?
Almost all of their problems were back stage or behind the scenes.
Listened to DLR almost every day during his recent brief radio tenure here in NY. Very easy to see he'd be a load: overpowering, a little out of control, seemingly with ADD & a little out there-all reminiscent of Tommy Lee. Interesting but exhausting.
Which is exactly why they're both great on stage-the energy can grate in conversation but is perfect for the stage.Got good reviews for this past summer's tour.
http://www.davidleeroth.com/
Diamond Dave is looking pretty light in the loafers in those pics. Its a far cry from his Van Halen glory days.
Van Halen went to shit when Eddie Van Halen got into his keyboard fetish. Van Halen is all about power chords and guitar solos.
I love Eddie, his music was the soundtrack to my life, but for the record, he is CERTIFIABLE. He went on record as saying his throat cancer had nothing to do with smoking two packs a day and drinking like a sailor for 30 years, but rather had to do with electromagnetic field in his studio conducting off a guitar pick in his mouth. Monster pathological.Talent allows guys who are otherwise 5 years old to thrive. He sounds like a waste of air.
Speaking of which, I've read that Ed doing keyboards/synth. was one thing Dave really did not care for...Al, got anything on that? If I'm not mistaken, I think they were using keyboards as early as WACF...you can hear em' on "And The Cradle Will Rock", towards the end of the first guitar solo.
Hey Al, anyway of sharing etc of any of those demos with "Voodoo Queen" "Leave Me Alone" etc?
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here's ed these days...watch the end and remember he's a total alchoholic and he had cancer..smokin and drinkin...lookin pathetic..very angry dude.
hey al, you got a link for that Eddie interview with Stern from a few weeks ago?
Thanks man.
hey al, you got a link for that Eddie interview with Stern from a few weeks ago?
Thanks man.
I don't have one anymore, I deleted my mp3. It might not mean much to a casual fan but he said some stuff that was just out of line about Mike.
BTw-and the cradle will rock is a wulitzer electric piano through eddie's old marshal amp. Dave was so stressed about Ed playing keyboards that they used to have Mike play it in concert, there are a couple of video's of them "performing" it on tv and they are lip synching..it's pretty bad.
Al,
have you heard eddie's recent comments? I love the man for the brlliance he produced, but the fuggen dude is out of his mind. For years I didnt know who to blame the breakup on, conventional wisdom was that Dave was a dick. But it is clear now, (if it wasnt before) that Eddie is absolutely insane and no one could possibly put up with it forever.
I love Eddie, his music was the soundtrack to my life, but for the record, he is CERTIFIABLE. He went on record as saying his throat cancer had nothing to do with smoking two packs a day and drinking like a sailor for 30 years, but rather had to do with the electromagnetic field in his studio conducting off a guitar pick in his mouth. Monster pathological.
yeah, i heard all the stuff ed is saying now. Ed didn't start getting really wierd until Ed Lefler died in 94. Lefler was the bands manager for most of the Hagar run. Once Lefler died they got a guy named Ray Daniels..if you even say his name on VH message boards people loose thier minds. he's credited for destroying VH, he drove Sam out, messed with DAve and brought in Gary. After VHIII failed ed went really nuts. What he was saying on stern pissed me off pretty bad, I don't know why but refusing to refer to mike as Mike Anthony and calling him sobeliewski-sp-really pissed me off.
The manager brought in Cherone? Wouldn't Eddie and Alex make that decision? What is a "sobeliewski" Makes you wonder if these guys in bands really ever have true friendships or it was just 4 guys playing together since they were kids?
Earl,
I hate to keep busting your balls man, but saying Sammy Hagar is the better front man of Van Halen is tantamount to telling the world you love teh cock.
Sass Jordan was supposed to be in the band after Sam also but it fell through....
Sass Jordan jammed with the guys but even according to her, she was never suppose to be in the band.
http://www.guitars101.com/vb/music-hall/22489-sammy-hagar-book-excerpts-chapters-19-20-a.html
these are 2 chapters from a book Sam supposedly did a few years ago. Lots of VH stuff plus if you register they have a ton of VH bootlegs you can download.
And after all that, Sammy still did a reunion tour with Van Halen so what does that say about him?
Just watched that "Catherine" studio cut on Youtube. My god, Ed is destroying his legacy with this kind of mediocrity! Lol at the comment "that's it Ed, smoke that cancer away!".
whats the link?
Just watched that "Catherine" studio cut on Youtube. My god, Ed is destroying his legacy with this kind of mediocrity! Lol at the comment "that's it Ed, smoke that cancer away!".
Al, as I'm sure your well aware, Patty Smith was Ed's first choice to replace Dave after the breakup.
When thing's were rosy between ed and hagar they were neighbor's and vh for three albulm's 5150 to f.u.c.k were like 4 gradeschooler's smiling,prank's ,busting horn's,then balance and all the fighting after and the dismissal or quitting?GARY CHERONE had no right being in van halan,his crap band extreme could not touch vh.the right thing was too let the 96 dlr attemt,and twister and greatest hit's run it's course and regroup,but no 10 year's they reform for reunion,i went it had it's moment's but too little too late.they all seemed to be playing just not together,like a high priced garage band.their legacy is cemented,it's just a bit cracked :'(
natural al.i thought i liked vh and knew alot,u got me beat .i lost my way a bit ,i still enjoy all their music exceptVH3,that's where van halen jumped the shark.i have never ,ever listened to that cd,this is a great topic and all post's well written and read.u could see eddie's anger and disdain start in 96 interview after the mtv dlr debacle when roth was clowning and making face's when they were introduced,eddie said next time he make's a fool of me he better be wearing a cup.supposedly roth made it about him and not all of vh.the stone's individually are all over the place too,but touring they can on stage work it together,can vh do it.
yeah, I heard that for years. Ed supposedly had a huge "crush" on her, not sure how that would have worked out with Val and everything, probably not very well.
I'm pretty sure Ed fired Sam. With the 04 tour it was either hit or miss depending on how drunk Eddie was. I've never heard anyone say a bad word on how Alex or Mike played. You get the hardcore DLR fans that rag sammy but aside from them he got pretty high marks for the tour. Ed started off really well from the bootlegs that i have but around the mid-way part the shows started to get really iffy. There is a boot of the last show of the tour and the title was supposed to be "a tale of 2 eddie's" because they have the soundcheck and eddie is right on then when they start the actual show you can't tell what the hell he's playing half the time, at the end he smashes his guitar and says something into the microphone aimed at Mike and Sam..you can't really make it out but people have said that he says "because of you two van halen is dead" or something like that...look for the clip on youtube.
You can hear the same thing on So This Is Love in the Buenos Aires video with Dave. Ed's guitar playing sucks ass, most of his notes are way off, he must have been drunk as can be.
So true. For years, the conventional wisdom was that Dave being drunk and muffing lyrics was the biggest problem with the live show, but if you watch old concert footage, its clear Ed went onstage fahqed up plenty and sometimes just mangled songs.
Like I said, I've got literally hundreds of bootlegs and the really early stuff they sound really good on, pre VH1 is all good. I thought everyone sucked on the US fest, I have a couple of shows from fair warnings and they're ok. I've got 2 or 3 shows from 1984 and they're almost unlistenable at times, they're all audience recordings but they're terrible. The band sounded alot better on the 5150 tour, I don't know if it was a different sound system or what. I've also got Dave live in Fresno form 86 and it's good but I've got video from him in Detroit and it's terrible...bootlegs are pretty much all over the place. Every recording I have from the f**k and Balance tours are awsome sound wise....teh 04 tour is all over the place. Dave was terrible in 94 but better in 02. Sam has sounded great everytime I've seen him, he can't hit all the notes anymore but his voice is in pretty good shape....
Sound quality was always good in the Van Hagar era, but the shows were cut and dry, predictable, dull. I'll take a few flubbed lines or a missed note here and there if it means I get back the raw power and emotion of the Roth era.
Sammy
Of course you would say that, you douchebag queer.
who's your favorite? Cherone ? ;D
who's your favorite? Cherone ? ;D