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When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« on: May 01, 2009, 09:05:42 AM »
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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2009, 09:08:27 AM »
I don't know.... I never lose that much strengh exept on the squat when I get leaner.

arms get small and flat as shit everytime tho
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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2009, 09:13:57 AM »
You might be right.
I thing shoulder and chest.
I just had shoulder surgery, and can only dumb press 15lbs.
pathetic when I was doing 55-65 8 mos ago.
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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2009, 09:15:03 AM »
Quote from: Stavios on May 01, 2009, 09:08:27 AM
I don't know.... I never lose that much strengh exept on the squat when I get leaner.

arms get small and flat as shit everytime tho

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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2009, 09:15:26 AM »
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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2009, 09:16:21 AM »
Quote from: chainsaw on May 01, 2009, 09:13:57 AM
You might be right.
I thing shoulder and chest.
I just had shoulder surgery, and can only dumb press 15lbs.
pathetic when I was doing 55-65 8 mos ago.

Couple of months ago I could do 32.5kg dumbbells for 6 reps shoulder press; today I couldn't even hoist 30kg above my shoulders, let alone get a rep... :-\
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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2009, 09:16:41 AM »
Quote from: Deicide on May 01, 2009, 09:15:03 AM

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Cheers though... ;)

it was the same when I dieted natural
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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2009, 09:17:11 AM »
Quote from: Meso_z on May 01, 2009, 09:15:26 AM
yes, i have noticed that....

Good to know I am not any weirder than I already am. Sucks though, considering I m still pretty fat... :-X
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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2009, 09:17:47 AM »
Quote from: Stavios on May 01, 2009, 09:16:41 AM
it was the same when I dieted natural

Hmm...well some other dudes have confirmed it here so...
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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2009, 09:28:54 AM »
Quote from: Stavios on May 01, 2009, 09:08:27 AM
I don't know.... I never lose that much strengh exept on the squat when I get leaner.

arms get small and flat as shit everytime tho


The squat might go down because your belly gets smaller.
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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2009, 09:36:10 AM »
Quote from: Deicide on May 01, 2009, 09:16:21 AM
Couple of months ago I could do 32.5kg dumbbells for 6 reps shoulder press; today I couldn't even hoist 30kg above my shoulders, let alone get a rep... :-\

increase your carbs/ decrease your fats.
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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2009, 09:37:32 AM »
Quote from: Fatpanda on May 01, 2009, 09:36:10 AM
increase your carbs/ decrease your fats.

Don't take advice from this guy, he is fat and looks like shit. ;)
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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2009, 09:40:57 AM »
Quote from: SimplyHuge on May 01, 2009, 09:22:50 AM
Strength loss will depend on your diet, and how fast you are losing the weight, along with your workout routine and rest.

For example, if you are doing a low carb diet, then your glycogen stores will be depleted when working out...this happens even when your not dieting, but normally, you would eat a very high carb meal or drink after the workout to replenish glycogen.  A lot of people on a low carb diet wont do this b/c of the carbs.  Its okay to drink a gatorade during or after workotu while on a low carb diet though b/c this is one of the cases when it bypasses its normal route and goes into the muscles instead to replenish the glycogen stores.

If you are cutting calories too low too fast, then your energy and strength will go down as well.  Better to do it in small intervals. 

A lot of people change their routines when dieting b/c they see some strength loss.  Try to hold onto the basic compound exercises as long as possible and try to just "maintain" instead of gaining. 


I noticed when I dieted the first time my strength went to the toilet, but I made a lot of the mistakes I talked about above.  Either way, though, you will always lose some stregnth, but you can probably minimize the damage by doign the above.

good luck with the rest of your diet.

I usually stick to low carb but today was a pigout day so I was totally carbloaded...still...I been sleeping (even for me) poorly the whole week...so maybe that has something to do with it...hopefully next week will be better.
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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2009, 09:44:16 AM »
Quote from: Debussey DF on May 01, 2009, 09:28:54 AM

The squat might go down because your belly gets smaller.

yeah that's what I think because all the other lifts go up, even leg presses

it must be the bio-mechanics
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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2009, 09:46:11 AM »
A true getbigger gets stronger has he diets.   ;)
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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2009, 09:47:24 AM »
Quote from: MuscleKing on May 01, 2009, 09:37:32 AM
Don't take advice from this guy, he is fat and looks like shit. ;)

thanks, but you are wrong.
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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2009, 09:49:10 AM »
Quote from: Stavios on May 01, 2009, 09:44:16 AM
yeah that's what I think because all the other lifts go up, even leg presses

it must be the bio-mechanics


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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2009, 09:50:30 AM »
Quote from: Debussey DF on May 01, 2009, 09:28:54 AM

The squat might go down because your belly gets smaller.
thats a really good point debussey

big belly allows for big weight on leg exercise, i remember when i first start trainign i was doing 12 plates a a side on leg press with full reps.... but only because i had a monster belly to bounce my quads/knees off of to get the weight back up.

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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2009, 09:51:47 AM »
Quote from: tbombz on May 01, 2009, 09:50:30 AM
thats a really good point debussey

big belly allows for big weight on leg exercise, i remember when i first start trainign i was doing 12 plates a a side on leg press with full reps.... but only because i had a monster belly to bounce my quads/knees off of to get the weight back up.



And when fat, your range of motion on leg presses is drastically shorter.
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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2009, 09:59:27 AM »
Quote from: calfzilla on May 01, 2009, 09:46:11 AM
A true getbigger gets stronger has he diets.   ;)

Yup....that is why I will never be a true getbigger... :(
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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2009, 10:13:54 AM »
Quote from: Deicide on May 01, 2009, 09:59:27 AM
Yup....that is why I will never be a true getbigger... :(

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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2009, 10:25:35 AM »
Quote from: Debussey DF on May 01, 2009, 10:13:54 AM
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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2009, 10:59:42 AM »
Depends on genetics. I gained strength on shoulders on my current cut.
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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2009, 11:08:03 AM »
When i diet i try my hardest just to maintain strength. Yesterday at the gym though my brother kept saying how much weaker he was on shoulder press so maybe it is true. My thoughts are you will notice it more on exercises where you lift heavier weights. So that makes sense why people say shoulders. Now with bench it is easier to cheat and bounce the bar to keep the same weight whereas you can't do that with shoulders.
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Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2009, 01:03:26 PM »
Leg exercises for me mainly.
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