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Kagan and the Cass Sunstein Connection
Liberty Juice ^ | 05/20/2010 | Chris Bounds
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2517511/posts?page=4#4


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On Monday I did a broad overview report on Who is Elena Kagan. While doing research on Kagan, I realized that although she does have a pretty light paper trail on her firm opinions regarding controversial issues, her opinions that are public knowledge are very concerning – especially her opinions on First Amendment rights. However, I missed one very important clue that allows us to delve the mind of Kagan. That clue is Cass Sunstein. There is an old saying that you can tell who a person is by looking at their friends. Well, I am not certain if Elena Kagan and Cass Sunstein are friends, but she definitely had some very enthusiastic words to say about him:

“Cass Sunstein is the preeminent legal scholar of our time — the most wide-ranging, the most prolific, the most cited, and the most influential. His work in any one of the fields he pursues — administrative law and policy, constitutional law and theory, behavioral economics and law, environmental law, to name a non-exhaustive few — would put him in the very front ranks of legal scholars; the combination is singular and breathtaking.”

Understanding that Kagan thinks so highly of Cass Sunstein, we must take a look at who he is exactly and what he believes. Luckily, his paper trail is long and detailed as he has been very outspoken about his opinions.

Cass Sunstein is considered by some to be the most dangerous man in America. His socialist views on everything from the redistribution of wealth to the redistribution of speech is about as radical as it gets in America. He is a well versed scholar of constitutional, administrative, and environmental law, as well as behavioral economics. He has been a law professor at the University of Chicago for 27 years and he is also a professor at Harvard Law School. Sunstein is still a professor at both schools, but his status has changed to ‘visiting professor’ at the University of Chicago and ‘professor on leave’ at Harvard when he went on to serve as an advisor to Obama’s campaign. Now Sunstein works as Obama’s Regulation Czar – his title officially being the Administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs. Take a look at Cass Sunstein in his own words:

Taxes

Sustein has suggested that American rights come from the government, while promoting that Americans should celebrate paying taxes, in his The Chicago Tribune article, Why We Should Celebrate Paying Taxes

“In what sense is the money in our pockets and bank accounts fully ‘ours’? Did we earn it by our own autonomous efforts? Could we have inherited it without the assistance of probate courts? Do we save it without the support of bank regulators? Could we spend it if there were no public officials to coordinate the efforts and pool the resources of the community in which we live”

”Without taxes there would be no liberty. Without taxes there would be no property. Without taxes, few of us would have any assets worth defending.”

“In any case, to recognize the dependency of property rights on the contributions of the whole community, managed by the government, is to repel the rhetorical attack on welfare rights as somehow deeply un-American, and totally alien or different in kind from classical or “real” rights. No right can be exercised independently, for every rights-holder has a claim on public resources–on money that has been extracted from citizens at large.”

“For all rights–call them negative, call them positive–have that effect. There is no liberty without dependency. That is why we should celebrate tax day.”

Free Speech

Broadcast: Sunstein proposes in his book The Partial Constitution, a First Amendment New Deal forcing the “moral obligation” of airing opposing viewpoints on broadcast companies.

“In a market system, this goal [of airing diverse views] may be compromised. It is hardly clear that ‘the freedom of speech’ is promoted by a regime in which people are permitted to speak only if other people are willing to pay enough to allow them to be heard.”

“The notion that access [to the airwaves] will be a product of the marketplace might well be constitutionally troublesome.”

“It seems quite possible that a law that contained regulatory remedies would promote rather than undermine the ‘freedom of speech.”

Sunstein’s argument that somehow regulating free speech will promote free speech is about as idiotic as Bush’s argument that he “abandoned free-market principles to save the free-market system.”

Internet: Sunstein suggests the internet poses a threat to democracy because it promotes cyberbalkanization.

“Sites of one point of view [would] agree to provide links to other sites, so that if you’re reading a conservative magazine, they would provide a link to a liberal site and vice versa, just to make it easy for people to get access to competing views. Or maybe a pop-up on your screen that would show an advertisement or maybe even a quick argument for a competing view. [break] The best would be for this to be done voluntarily, but the word ‘voluntary’ is a little complicated, and sometimes people don’t do what’s best for our society unless Congress holds hearings or unless the public demands it. And the idea would be to have a legal mandate as the last resort, and to make sure it’s as neutral as possible if we have to get there, but to have that as, you know, an ultimate weapon designed to encourage people to do better.” (2001 interview)

Sunstein did later retract this statement, suggesting that it was a bad idea. Maybe because he realized he was the only person suggesting those pesky pop-up windows?

Redistribution of Wealth

Sunstein has argued for the redistribution of wealth, both in America and globally. Here is what he had to say about local redistribution of wealth:

“The absence of a European-style social welfare state is certainly connected with the widespread perception among the white majority that the relevant programs would disproportionately benefit African Americans (and more recently Hispanics).” (Brietbart)

Now on global redistribution of America’s wealth too poor nations, through climate change which compliments my article on Crime Inc.:

“It is even possible that desirable redistribution is more likely to occur through climate change policy than otherwise, or to be accomplished more effectively through climate policy than through direct foreign aid.”

“If the United States agrees to participate in a climate change agreement on terms that are not in the nation’s interest, but that help the world as a whole, there would be no reason for complaint, certainly if such participation is more helpful to poor nations than conventional foreign-aid alternatives.”

“If we care about social welfare, we should approve of a situation in which a wealthy nation is willing to engage in a degree of self-sacrifice when the world benefits more than that nation loses.”

Second Bill of Rights

Following FDR’s lead, Sunstein again suggests in his book that Americans rights exist only to as granted by the government. Mandates laid out in his book include:

- The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

- The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

- The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

- The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

- The right of every family to a decent home;

- The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

- The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

- The right to a good education.

I could continue detailing Cass Sunstein’s radical socialist views, but the quotes I listed above are more than enough to clearly show what he believes. Discover The Networks has much more information on Sunstein if you have not gotten enough already.

The primary point I am drawing is, if Elena Kagan believes so passionately that Sunstein is the “the most influential”, “preeminent legal scholar of our time”, should we not take that to understand that she almost certainly believes what he believes. I absolutely think so, particularly when Kagan has made similar comments regarding the regulation of free speech, which I detailed on Monday.

Kagan is clearly a highly educated, socialist thinker. If she is appointed to the nation’s highest court at the age of 50, she will no doubt cause enormous harm to our nation for decades. Senators must take a step back from any personal bias they may have on Kagan and oppose her for the sake of preserving the Constitution of the United States.


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Dear God where do these liberal jews learn and adopt this shit?

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He supported both Michael Conwell and John Roberts both Bush Nominees.  Also his tax quotation is taken out of context.  Here is what he said -

In what sense is the money in our pockets and bank accounts fully ‘ours’? Did we earn it by our own autonomous efforts? Could we have inherited it without the assistance of probate courts? Do we save it without the support of bank regulators? Could we spend it if there were no public officials to coordinate the efforts and pool the resources of the community in which we live? Without taxes, there would be no liberty. Without taxes there would be no property. Without taxes, few of us would have any assets worth defending. [It is] a dim fiction that some people enjoy and exercise their rights without placing any burden whatsoever on the public… There is no liberty without dependency.

Basically he's saying without public social services - police, fire, ambulance etc what liberty you believe you have could and probably would not exist.  Essentially we all owe something to the government because without it we would have no schools, no roads, no police, no laws, no fire service etc.   Heck even the Bible says you should pay your taxes.

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I'd also like to know where exactly and who exactly are the 'many who believe him to be socialist'.  Are they law scholars too?  Are they well known?  Are they sourced?  Or is this just a planted lie intended to sway the reader towards the writers point of view without him having any proof to back it up?
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Sunstein is one of the most radical nuts in this entire admn. 

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Sunstein is one of the most radical nuts in this entire admn. 

Oh please  ::)
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He supported both Michael Conwell and John Roberts both Bush Nominees.  Also his tax quotation is taken out of context.  Here is what he said -

In what sense is the money in our pockets and bank accounts fully ‘ours’? Did we earn it by our own autonomous efforts? Could we have inherited it without the assistance of probate courts? Do we save it without the support of bank regulators? Could we spend it if there were no public officials to coordinate the efforts and pool the resources of the community in which we live? Without taxes, there would be no liberty. Without taxes there would be no property. Without taxes, few of us would have any assets worth defending. [It is] a dim fiction that some people enjoy and exercise their rights without placing any burden whatsoever on the public… There is no liberty without dependency.

Basically he's saying without public social services - police, fire, ambulance etc what liberty you believe you have could and probably would not exist.  Essentially we all owe something to the government because without it we would have no schools, no roads, no police, no laws, no fire service etc.   Heck even the Bible says you should pay your taxes.



Please give me the quote in the Bible where it says you should pay your taxes.

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This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor" (Romans 13:6-7).

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Thank you for reminding me why I hate religion. 

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This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor" (Romans 13:6-7).



But the Bible also says that we are to submit to the government authorities UNLESS they use the money for evil means.Id say giving money to groups like planned parenthood automatically disqualifies participation in taxes if your willing to go to jail for your beliefs.

The Bible also says the man who does not work shall not eat.Does our wicked evil government follow that?Nope,in fact Obama prefers you dont work.

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Oh please they were talking about the living in a country run by the Romans at the time, who occupied a land with force and without the same religion, in fact they had many gods and ended up crucifying Jesus.  Yet despite all that this is still written in the bible.  Think about it for a minute Billy.
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Re: Kagan and the Cass Sunstein Connection - (Its the Socialism stupid!)
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2010, 10:33:00 AM »
Oh please they were talking about the living in a country run by the Romans at the time, who occupied a land with force and without the same religion, in fact they had many gods and ended up crucifying Jesus.  Yet despite all that this is still written in the bible.  Think about it for a minute Billy.

Oh please they were talking about paying taxes BEFORE the time when taxes went to waste of money CRAP like welfare,food stamps,public housing,union payouts.You cant have it both ways.The taxes back then were NOTHING like the punnitive taxes of today for waste of air idiots who wont get off their lazy asses and work.

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Re: Kagan and the Cass Sunstein Connection - (Its the Socialism stupid!)
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2010, 10:47:28 AM »
Oh please they were talking about paying taxes BEFORE the time when taxes went to waste of money CRAP like welfare,food stamps,public housing,union payouts.You cant have it both ways.The taxes back then were NOTHING like the punnitive taxes of today for waste of air idiots who wont get off their lazy asses and work.

Uh Billy the Romans had a welfare type system you know.  I suggest you read up on these things before commenting.  Juvenal's Satire V is of interest.  It describes the client- patron relationship in a dinner setting with both sides being looked at. 

 
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Re: Kagan and the Cass Sunstein Connection - (Its the Socialism stupid!)
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2010, 10:48:51 AM »
Oh yeah KC, that worked out well for them.   ::)  ::)  ::)

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Re: Kagan and the Cass Sunstein Connection - (Its the Socialism stupid!)
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2010, 11:11:41 AM »
Oh yeah KC, that worked out well for them.   ::)  ::)  ::)

Yes 333 how informed of you.  Welfare is the reason Rome fell.   ::)  congratulations why are you a professor? 
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Re: Kagan and the Cass Sunstein Connection - (Its the Socialism stupid!)
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2010, 11:16:51 AM »
Its one of the VERY BIG reasons they fell. 

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Re: Kagan and the Cass Sunstein Connection - (Its the Socialism stupid!)
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Uh Billy the Romans had a welfare type system you know.  I suggest you read up on these things before commenting.  Juvenal's Satire V is of interest.  It describes the client- patron relationship in a dinner setting with both sides being looked at. 

 

Really?So taxes back then went to auto bailuouts, food stamps free housing,free health care,union payouts,abortions,illegal immigrants benifits,etc etc.I certainly wasnt aware of that.

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Re: Kagan and the Cass Sunstein Connection - (Its the Socialism stupid!)
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2010, 12:00:09 PM »
Really?So taxes back then went to auto bailuouts, food stamps free housing,free health care,union payouts,abortions,illegal immigrants benifits,etc etc.I certainly wasnt aware of that.

Oh please Billy now you are taking complete idiocy to a new level. 
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