2007 NPC Natural Northern USA Bodybuilding & Figure Championships

[NPC Ohio Promoter]

October 6, 2007
Lakewood Civic Auditorium
14100 Franklin Ave
Lakewood, OH.
Prejudging 10am-$12.00  Finals 6pm-$25.00 Cash only at the door

To order tickets with a credit card call Titans Gym at (440)953-9753

Guests: Bill Wilmore (1 week out from competing in the Olympia), Miguel Neil, Chastity Slone, Melissa Johnson and Freddi Brant

Go to www.daveliberman.com for an entry form or details

To see a video by Liberman/Pember productions go to

http://www.michiganbodybuilding.com/michigan-bodybuilding/07naturalohio.htm   

[The_Iron_Disciple]

What makes it a " Natural " show, anyways ?

[Dragon]

all drugs

[gordiano]

What makes it a " Natural " show, anyways ?

As long as you can lie....

[whateva]

I never get that ,is a natural show ,to promote natural bodybuilding . Why they have Bill Willmore as a guest poser

[wisconsinBB]

I never get that ,is a natural show ,to promote natural bodybuilding . Why they have Bill Willmore as a guest poser

THANK YOU!  I started a thread about this over on MD, when a natural promoter said he was having george farah as a guest poser.  Why not bring in a natural pro for the guest posing?

[musclehedz]

HAHA a "natural" pro. What is that anyway?

[wisconsinBB]

HAHA a "natural" pro. What is that anyway?

Very Good Point!  I'll rephrase it.  Someone who competes in natural professional competitions

[Monster_Everything]

A natural pro is like a three wheel bicycle

[wisconsinBB]

A natural pro is like a three wheel bicycle

You lost me on that one? 

[NPC Ohio Promoter]

Strict urine drug testing is performed on the top 3 athletes and 2 random in each class. We use the same company that has done work at the Olympics. We test for Steroids, Diuretics and Clembuterol. We take this very seriously and have had many failures that resulted in changing classes.

Here is the link for the poster/entry form for any of you who are interested.
http://www.daveliberman.com/contest-form-10-6-07.pdf

[whateva]

Strict urine drug testing is performed on the top 3 athletes and 2 random in each class. We use the same company that has done work at the Olympics. We test for Steroids, Diuretics and Clembuterol. We take this very seriously and have had many failures that resulted in changing classes.

Here is the link for the poster/entry form for any of you who are interested.
http://www.daveliberman.com/contest-form-10-6-07.pdf

Do you test the guest poser also ?

[wisconsinBB]

Strict urine drug testing is performed on the top 3 athletes and 2 random in each class. We use the same company that has done work at the Olympics. We test for Steroids, Diuretics and Clembuterol. We take this very seriously and have had many failures that resulted in changing classes.

Here is the link for the poster/entry form for any of you who are interested.
http://www.daveliberman.com/contest-form-10-6-07.pdf

So the question remains why are you bringing in a bodybuilder who is clearly on steroids to guest pose at a natural show.  Why not bring in a "natural" pro.  What kind of signal are you sending to your natural competitors by having willmore there?

[Naked4Jesus]

Strict urine drug testing is performed on the top 3 athletes and 2 random in each class. We use the same company that has done work at the Olympics. We test for Steroids, Diuretics and Clembuterol. We take this very seriously and have had many failures that resulted in changing classes.

Here is the link for the poster/entry form for any of you who are interested.
http://www.daveliberman.com/contest-form-10-6-07.pdf

Huge joke... you're testing for clen?  Do you know what the half life of Clen is?  You can certainly come off in time to test clean for a show.  Who are you kidding?  I won't even mention GH but I think you get the gist of it.

[wisconsinBB]

Huge joke... you're testing for clen?  Do you know what the half life of Clen is?  You can certainly come off in time to test clean for a show.  Who are you kidding?  I won't even mention GH but I think you get the gist of it.

Anavar and winstrol are also very popular among the natural scene.  2-3 weeks and its out of the system.  I'm still waiting for an answer on having an IFBB pro guest pose.

[musclehedz]

Strict urine drug testing is performed on the top 3 athletes and 2 random in each class. We use the same company that has done work at the Olympics. We test for Steroids, Diuretics and Clembuterol. We take this very seriously and have had many failures that resulted in changing classes.

Here is the link for the poster/entry form for any of you who are interested.
http://www.daveliberman.com/contest-form-10-6-07.pdf

I can beat your urine tests with steroid cleanse.

[NPC Ohio Promoter]

This is Todd Pember the co-promoter of this event. I also am a R.N. with advanced practice degrees.  I have no problem answering your questions. First, We used to use only Natural Athletes as guest posers. After speaking to many, many, many athletes and fans, they all said they wouldn't mind having many of the big names in the sport come to guest pose. For Gods sake, its  an entertainment part of the show. Second, you would not be able to pass our drug test with the cleanse product, read the information about the product. You will see that it isn't 100%. After speaking with the scientist at the lab about the product, they assure me that it wont work. Once a test is sent in, the lab performs 3 separate tests, which I wont go into now, that shows any masking agents, TE ratios, etc. Clembuterol is out of the system as you said, but, what good is it 2-3 weeks out. Sure it would help to a degree but the effects of hyper metabolic state also would go away. Thats another topic for discussion. Any other questions, I would be happy to address them.

Sincerely.

Todd Pember RN

[wisconsinBB]

I understand that the point of the guest poser is to see the big names in the sport, but don't you think that goes against what a natural show is supposed to be about.

[NPC Ohio Promoter]

Our shows are all about showing the physiques of athletes that use our sponsors products that work very well. We also, do have usually one athlete guest posing that is currently competing in drug tested events, like Miguel Neil, 2006 NPC Team Universe Middleweight Champion. The other big name athletes we have are not necessarily on "drugs" either. 
Again, to answer your question, if we felt that the athletes or fans didnt want big name athletes involved we would not have them. It is an overwhelming census that they do, so we are providing the consumer with what they want. 

[wisconsinBB]

Our shows are all about showing the physiques of athletes that use our sponsors products that work very well. We also, do have usually one athlete guest posing that is currently competing in drug tested events, like Miguel Neil, 2006 NPC Team Universe Middleweight Champion. The other big name athletes we have are not necessarily on "drugs" either. 
Again, to answer your question, if we felt that the athletes or fans didnt want big name athletes involved we would not have them. It is an overwhelming census that they do, so we are providing the consumer with what they want. 

So the people at a natural show want to se a physique that is attainable only through use of anabolics?  I understand where you are coming from when it comes to filling the auditorium, but I still think its a serious contradiction.

[NPC Ohio Promoter]

noted!

[gordiano]

"Athletes"


HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!