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Collapse of civilisation is coming - Nasa study
Modern civilisation is heading for collapse within a matter of decades because of growing economic instability and pressure on the planet's resources, according to a scientific study funded by Nasa.
Using theoretical models to predict what will happen to the industrialised world over the course of the next century or so, mathematicians found that even with conservative estimates things started to go very badly, very quickly.
Referring to the past collapses of often very sophisticated civilisations - the Roman, Han and Gupta Empires for example - the study noted that the elite of society have often pushed for a "business as usual" approach to warnings of disaster until it is too late.
In the report based on his "Human And Nature Dynamical" (Handy) model, the applied mathematician Safa Motesharri wrote: "the process of rise-and-collapse is actually a recurrent cycle found throughout history".
His research, carried out with the help of a team of natural and social scientists and with funding from Nasa's Goddard Space Flight Center, has been accepted for publication in the Ecological Economics journal, the Guardian reported.
Motesharri explored the factors which could lead to the collapse of civilisation, from population growth to climate change, and found that when these converge they can cause society to break down because of the "stretching of resources" and "the economic stratification of society into 'Elites' and 'Masses'"
Using his Handy model to assess a scenario closely resembling the current state of the world, Motesharri found that civilisation "appears to be on a sustainable path for quite a long time, but even using an optimal depletion rate and starting with a very small number of Elites, the Elites eventually consume too much, resulting in a famine among the Masses that eventually causes the collapse of society".
The report stressed, however, that the worst-case scenario of collapse is not inevitable, and called on action now from the so-called real world "Elites" to restore economic balance.
"Collapse can be avoided and population can reach equilibrium if the per capita rate of depletion of nature is reduced to a sustainable level, and if resources are distributed in a reasonably equitable fashion," the scientists said.
This is not the first time scientists have tried to warn us of potentially impending global disaster. Last year it emerged that Stephen Hawking and a team of Britain's finest minds are drawing up a "doomsday list" of the catastrophic low-risk (but high-impact) events that could devastate the world.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11220886 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11220886)
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Anti gun control groups have finally prompted the Apocalypse.
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We need to all ask ourselves, "What would our grandparents do?".
The Marxist Generation of the 40's and 50's has brought us to the brink of destruction.
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i thought the title said "anal prolapse of shizzo"
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I'm sure you're right
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Anti gun control groups have finally prompted the Apocalypse.
ROFL ;D
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Humans ruin everything.
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We need to all ask ourselves, "What would our grandparents do?".
The Marxist Generation of the 40's and 50's has brought us to the brink of destruction.
Do you actually think past generations had any useful input on this are you fucking crazy muthafawka. Read some actual history if your under any impression things were at all better in the past u is fucked.
If you talk to anyone educated on this shit, our future is entirely dependent developments that were are entirely incapable of predicting. To not appreciate the volatility of our is completely ignant.
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We need to all ask ourselves, "What would our grandparents do?".
The Marxist Generation of the 40's and 50's has brought us to the brink of destruction.
Good luck with that, Roger. Wishful thinking.
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Using theoretical models to predict what will happen to the industrialised world over the course of the next century or so
lol
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We need to all ask ourselves, "What would our grandparents do?".
The Marxist Generation of the 40's and 50's has brought us to the brink of destruction.
Just ask yourself "What DID our GRANDPARENTS DO?" well just look at last century, our grandparents brought humanity to the brink of destruction with the threat of Nuclear annihilation, there were continuous wars including two world wars, the use of devastating nuclear weapons on a civilian population. the holocaust, countless genocidal tyrants, a mass explosion in the gap between the rich and the poor, continued exploitation of third world countries by the first world, unprecedented environmental destruction etc etc. Yeah, somehow I think you may be looking at the previous generations with rose colored glasses. It's our grandparents fault why we are in this mess.
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My grandparents weren't Nazis or Tojos
Trouble may have been brewing since the end of World War II, but shit really hit the fan in the 1980's and 90's when the self destructive, spoiled, baby boomer generation took the reins of control.
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My grandparents weren't Nazis or Tojos
Trouble may have been brewing since the end of World War II, but shit really hit the fan in the 1980's and 90's when the self destructive, spoiled, baby boomer generation took the reins of control.
Wholeheartedly agree. Fucken hippies.
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My grandparents weren't Nazis or Tojos
Trouble may have been brewing since the end of World War II, but shit really hit the fan in the 1980's and 90's when the self destructive, spoiled, baby boomer generation took the reins of control.
Yeah, your grandparents were just the ones exploiting the world and dropping nukes. Thanks granddad. And the baby boomers are just the last in a long line of peoples who have created a system destined to collapse, all they have done is inherent the same mindset as the generations before them. The elites spent so much money trying to defeat communism that they may have done away with the only real system that could prevent humanities demise. Capitalism is unnatural, it's a form of bacteria on any planet with limited resources.
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My grandparents weren't Nazis or Tojos
Trouble may have been brewing since the end of World War II, but shit really hit the fan in the 1980's and 90's when the self destructive, spoiled, baby boomer generation took the reins of control.
Meh it turned the shit in the mid seventies. The American economy was built on the world wars, without them the only thing that could and still keep the west going was "banking".
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There is nothing more reliable or valid than Getbiggers speaking about History. Move over History professors from Harvard and Yale! GETBIG Historians are no joke!
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Read the rise and fall of western civilization
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Just ask yourself "What DID our GRANDPARENTS DO?" well just look at last century, our grandparents brought humanity to the brink of destruction with the threat of Nuclear annihilation, there were continuous wars including two world wars, the use of devastating nuclear weapons on a civilian population. the holocaust, countless genocidal tyrants, a mass explosion in the gap between the rich and the poor, continued exploitation of third world countries by the first world, unprecedented environmental destruction etc etc. Yeah, somehow I think you may be looking at the previous generations with rose colored glasses. It's our grandparents fault why we are in this mess.
bullshit, our grandparents clearly were fans of population control. Its our pansy hippie scared of war asses that are overpopulating the earth and leeching its resources. Time for WWIII to thin the herd again.
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bullshit, our grandparents clearly were fans of population control. Its our pansy hippie scared of war asses that are overpopulating the earth and leeching its resources. Time for WWIII to thin the herd again.
How is the generation that introduced abysmal birthrates responsible for overpopulation. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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We're standing by as OUR cities are flooded against our will by barbaric third worlders. Fire Departments aren't even allowed to do strength tests because of these radical leftists, Hooters was sued by the Federal Government and must now hire male waiters.... lol
Big Government is forcefully micromanaging every aspect of our daily life, redistributing all OUR income, and manipulating our currency.
I'd say a collapse of civilization isn't that far out at this point... :D
Maybe we need to get back to basics?
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We're standing by as OUR cities are flooded against our will by barbaric third worlders. Fire Departments aren't even allowed to do strength tests because of these radical leftists, Hooters was sued by the Federal Government and must now hire male waiters.... lol
Big Government is forcefully micromanaging every aspect of our daily life, redistributing all OUR income, and manipulating our currency.
I'd say a collapse of civilization isn't that far out at this point... :D
Maybe we need to get back to basics?
Wait, are you saying that Hooters now hires males? I am contacting Queen Vissy asap! Him and I are going to get jobs together.
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bullshit, our grandparents clearly were fans of population control. Its our pansy hippie scared of war asses that are overpopulating the earth and leeching its resources. Time for WWIII to thin the herd again.
The elites are the problem, they consume way more than their fair share. Societies need to develop ways to prevent elitism from arising. The problem is the Elites have educated the masses to support the Elites agenda. So if the elites tell the masses they are the problem, the minions lap it up. The masses are divided and weak and too afraid to tackle their oppressors. Revolution is inevitable, just wait until water and food become scarce for the under classes, hunger and thirst has a way of putting shit into perspective.
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My grandparents weren't Nazis or Tojos
Trouble may have been brewing since the end of World War II, but shit really hit the fan in the 1980's and 90's when the self destructive, spoiled, baby boomer generation took the reins of control.
(http://beverlyhighlights.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Donnie-Darko1.jpg)
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bullshit, our grandparents clearly were fans of population control. Its our pansy hippie scared of war asses that are overpopulating the earth and leeching its resources. Time for WWIII to thin the herd again.
i agree. We've lost our sense of identity. Without a cohesive identify to unify a culture begins to dissolve. The threads began to be pulled during the sixties. Individuality and personal pleasure seeking now trumps a sense of community.
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There is nothing more reliable or valid than Getbiggers speaking about History. Move over History professors from Harvard and Yale! GETBIG Historians are no joke!
Yes, lowly citizens have no place in a democratic society. The world elite will do what's in our best interest, they have a track record of looking out for us first... :D
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Wait, are you saying that Hooters now hires males? I am contacting Queen Vissy asap! Him and I are going to get jobs together.
Yes, I'm currently employed there. It's incredibly demeaning :-X
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Tax payer money at its finest
What did this study cost us? 200 million? 400 million?
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The elites are the problem, they consume way more than their fair share. Societies need to develop ways to prevent elitism from arising. The problem is the Elites have educated the masses to support the Elites agenda. So if the elites tell the masses they are the problem, the minions lap it up. The masses are divided and weak and too afraid to tackle their oppressors. Revolution is inevitable, just wait until water and food become scarce for the under classes, hunger and thirst has a way of putting shit into perspective.
The problem is that the elite now consider themselves citizens of the world, a generation back they were allegiant to the country of their birth.
In the eyes of those in power, we're all Africans. :D
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The elites are the problem, they consume way more than their fair share. Societies need to develop ways to prevent elitism from arising. The problem is the Elites have educated the masses to support the Elites agenda. So if the elites tell the masses they are the problem, the minions lap it up. The masses are divided and weak and too afraid to tackle their oppressors. Revolution is inevitable, just wait until water and food become scarce for the under classes, hunger and thirst has a way of putting shit into perspective.
Yeah, good luck with that. Prevent elites from arising... LULZ. May as well tell rabbits to stop fucking.
Human nature, elites will rise, others will follow them. Good luck changing that. No matter what humans try, there will always be those who rise to the top through any means necessary and those that follow blindly. I don't know if you've noticed, but most people are dumb as shit and blindly go through life following whoever is in front of them/telling them what to do and believe. Thats because they need someone to follow. And those who are willing to do whatever it takes are always going to exploit the stupid/naiive/weak to get what they want.
What you're talking about is a dangerous pipedream.
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If we are talking purely consumption of resources the use of resources by the underclass far exceeds the elites.
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If we are talking purely consumption of resources the use of resources by the underclass far exceeds the elites.
It does. I'm sure he's speaking statistically on a person by person percentage.. which is irrelevant, as the underclass abuses resources to a far greater degree, and generally far more recklessly.
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Yeah, good luck with that. Prevent elites from arising... LULZ. May as well tell rabbits to stop fucking.
Human nature, elites will rise, others will follow them. Good luck changing that. No matter what humans try, there will always be those who rise to the top through any means necessary and those that follow blindly. I don't know if you've noticed, but most people are dumb as shit and blindly go through life following whoever is in front of them/telling them what to do and believe. Thats because they need someone to follow. And those who are willing to do whatever it takes are always going to exploit the stupid/naiive/weak to get what they want.
What you're talking about is a dangerous pipedream.
What we currently have is the result of a dangerous pipedream. And once again, you think that way because of the Elites, don't you ever find it odd that the people the Elites oppress hold a worldview that is consistent with the Elites best interests? Your thinking is the direct result of Cultural Hegemony.
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If we are talking purely consumption of resources the use of resources by the underclass far exceeds the elites.
Not if you are talking on a per person basis. That's the most ridiculous claim I have ever heard.
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What we currently have is the result of a dangerous pipedream. And once again, you think that way because of the Elites, don't you ever find it odd that the people the Elites oppress hold a worldview that is consistent with the Elites best interests? Your thinking is the direct result of Cultural Hegemony.
How do we prevent "elitism" from rising? ???
A few ideas please?
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What we currently have is the result of a dangerous pipedream. And once again, you think that way because of the Elites, don't you ever find it odd that the people the Elites oppress hold a worldview that is consistent with the Elites best interests? Your thinking is the direct result of Cultural Hegemony.
the modern elites don't care about culture.
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How do we prevent "elitism" from rising? ???
A few ideas please?
The same way it was enabled to rise in the first place. FORCE
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Not if you are talking on a per person basis. That's the most ridiculous claim I have ever heard.
it's purely a numbers game. The wealthy or as you call them the elites are smaller in numbers
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the modern elites don't care about culture.
That's their primary interest, is the culture. It's the thinking of the masses that concerns them the most, that's why they manipulate the culture of the society — the beliefs, explanations, perceptions, values, and mores — so that their ruling-class worldview becomes the worldview that is imposed and accepted as the cultural norm; as the universally valid dominant ideology that justifies the social, political, and economic status quo as natural, inevitable, perpetual and beneficial for everyone, rather than as artificial social construct that benefits only the ruling class
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What we currently have is the result of a dangerous pipedream. And once again, you think that way because of the Elites, don't you ever find it odd that the people the Elites oppress hold a worldview that is consistent with the Elites best interests? Your thinking is the direct result of Cultural Hegemony.
my OBSERVATIONS are based on history and human nature, brochacho. No matter what form of goverment, no matter how things were set up, elites ALWAYS find a way to manipulate and rise to power over others, especially in areas with large populations.
Elites become elites through ruthless and sociopathic manipulation of otherwise innocent systems. Throughout history there is one constant - the ruthless will always rise over the morally strong simply because the ruthless will do whatever it takes to attain power. And the desire to attain power is embedded within human nature.
Even when the morally strong are in positions of authority, the ruthless will eventually get rid of them and take over. Whether by violence, or by cunning, it doesnt matter. The savage will always eventually overtake the civilized.
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The same way it was enabled to rise in the first place. FORCE
So the human animal stops doing what comes natural?
Sounds likely
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the modern elites don't care about culture.
I think they care about culture when it comes to their society, but they certainly want to destroy ours.
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So the human animal stops doing what comes natural?
Sounds likely
I forgot who said, "What we call human nature is actually human habit", but I believe the saying in part has some merit. It's in our human nature to find better ways of doing things. I think it undeniable that humans beings do more good when co-operating than when warring with one another, but if force is a necessary part of humanity, then it should be mobilised for the greater good, it should be used to quell opposition to anti-community type systems, to unfair and unjust systems of societal organization. I don't pretend to know the answers, but the current system is unsustainable, how long we can hold out is another question.
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Meh it turned the shit in the mid seventies. The American economy was built on the world wars, without them the only thing that could and still keep the west going was "banking".
stop it.
america has best eonomy bc most enterpreneur freedoms and thats that.
they still on top,and they will become even better.
everyone barring some socialist shitholes are copying them american system.
world wars?have you read about human history?its littered with wars.
last time there was no war going on at all was 1776 i think.
and the time before that and shortly afterwards was terribly conflictual.
can say whatver youw ant abotu usa, their foreign policy is questionable yeah, the hyposcrisy of the govt too, but the economy, driven by the ppl, is the best in the world.
govt overspending ,no social system, but thats all other points.
and they,the ppl,have a good spirit,they will rise after any catastrophic event and just rebuild everything.
positive attitude, economic freedom, huge market.and now the can do fracking.nobody comes remotely close.
china is a shithole, russia has nothing except gas, the eu union as a whole maybe, but its not realy a union.
and when you have the strongest military, you can "propose" economic ideas and "advice" others to follow and keep mouth shut.
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I forgot who said, "What we call human nature is actually human habit", but I believe the saying in part has some merit. It's in our human nature to find better ways of doing things. I think it undeniable that humans beings do more good when co-operating than when warring with one another, but if force is a necessary part of humanity, then it should be mobilised for the greater good, it should be used to quell opposition to anti-community type systems, to unfair and unjust systems of societal organization. I don't pretend to know the answers, but the current system is unsustainable, how long we can hold out is another question.
I think most of us in this thread are basically on the same page... We just disagree about the true underlying problem, or how to solve it.
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my OBSERVATIONS are based on history and human nature, brochacho. No matter what form of goverment, no matter how things were set up, elites ALWAYS find a way to manipulate and rise to power over others, especially in areas with large populations.
Elites become elites through ruthless and sociopathic manipulation of otherwise innocent systems. Throughout history there is one constant - the ruthless will always rise over the morally strong simply because the ruthless will do whatever it takes to attain power. And the desire to attain power is embedded within human nature.
Even when the morally strong are in positions of authority, the ruthless will eventually get rid of them and take over. Whether by violence, or by cunning, it doesnt matter. The savage will always eventually overtake the civilized.
Perhaps you are right, and that's what I fear. Is humanity evolving into an incredibly violent species? If being violent, ruthless and cunning is the best adaption to life, then aren't we doomed to become ever more violent and destructive?
I remember a study done years ago by Robert Sapolsky about a troop of baboons. here is a little bit about their study and findings:
Biologists Robert Sapolsky and Lisa Share have followed a troop of wild baboons in Kenya for over 20 years, starting in 1978. Sapolsky and Share called them “The Garbage Dump Troop” because they got much of their food from a garbage pit at a tourist lodge. But not every baboon was allowed to eat from the pit in the early 1980s: The aggressive, high status males in the troop refused to allow lower status males, or any females, to eat the garbage. Between 1983 and 1986, infected meat from the dump led to the deaths of 46% of the adult males in the troop. The biggest and meanest males died off. As in other baboon troops studied, before they died, these top-ranking males routinely bit, bullied, and chased males of similar and lower status, and occasionally directed their aggression at females.
But when the top ranking males died-off in the mid-1980s, aggression by the (new) top baboons dropped dramatically, with most aggression occurring between baboons of similar rank, and little of it directed toward lower-status males, and none at all directed at females. Troop members also spent a larger percentage of the time grooming, sat closer together than in the past, and hormone samples indicated that the lowest status males experienced less stress than underlings in other baboon troops. Most interestingly, these effects persisted at least through the late 1990’s, well after all the original “kinder” males had died-off. Not only that, when adolescent males who grew up in other troops joined the “Garbage Dump Troop,” they too engaged in less aggressive behavior than in other baboon troops. As Sapolsky put it “We don’t understand the mechanism of transmission… but the jerky new guys are obviously learning: We don’t do things like that around here.” So, at least by baboon standards, the garbage dump troop developed and enforced what I would call a “no asshole rule.”
So, maybe ALPHAS aren't needed after all. The lesson from the baboons is that when the social distance between higher and lower status mammals in a group are reduced, and steps are taken to keep the distance smaller, higher status members are less likely to act like jerks.
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The elites have no power unless the masses give it to them. I have very little sympathy for the proles. They aren't victims but willing accessories. After all this time they should know better.
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The same way it was enabled to rise in the first place. FORCE
I like to keep my conversations and worldview based in reality.
Some of the fucking shit you people ramble on about.
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The elites have no power unless the masses give it to them. I have very little sympathy for the proles. They aren't victims but willing accessories. After all this time they should know better.
You underestimate the influence the Elites have over the masses, the masses can hardly be held responsible for being indoctrinated and brainwashed from birth. Take psychiatry for example, essentially a branch of the Law and a favorite tool of the Elites. If someone starts to work it out and spread anti-elitist messages and transmit that message to others and actually begins to have some influence, the simply label him mad and once that is done a so called crazy person has even less rights than a mass murderer and can be locked away indefinitely against his will. He can then be drugged up, lobotomised and his spirit broken and there goes any hope of revolution. When the Elites have such power, it's hard to blame people for not wanting to be subjected to such scrutiny.
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I like to keep my conversations and worldview based in reality.
Some of the fucking shit you people ramble on about.
Go back to your mid life crisis, you being a narcissist will only struggle to see anything of relevance outside of yourself.
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You underestimate the influence the Elites have over the masses, the masses can hardly be held responsible for being indoctrinated and brainwashed from birth.
Yes they can be held responsible. Being self aware and understanding their complicity is the only way they can change. Unfortunately the same dark impulses that exist in the elites exist in them they just don't have the power to act on those impulses. If they are imprisoned it's within a cell of their own making.
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Brokaw got it right.
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Go back to your mid life crisis, you being a narcissist will only struggle to see anything of relevance outside of yourself.
Exactly.
I deal in real life, as it relates to me and mine.
You have your fucking head in the clouds talking about shit that is four hundred levels above anything you can do about it
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stop it.
america has best eonomy bc most enterpreneur freedoms and thats that.
they still on top,and they will become even better.
everyone barring some socialist shitholes are copying them american system.
world wars?have you read about human history?its littered with wars.
last time there was no war going on at all was 1776 i think.
and the time before that and shortly afterwards was terribly conflictual.
can say whatver youw ant abotu usa, their foreign policy is questionable yeah, the hyposcrisy of the govt too, but the economy, driven by the ppl, is the best in the world.
govt overspending ,no social system, but thats all other points.
and they,the ppl,have a good spirit,they will rise after any catastrophic event and just rebuild everything.
positive attitude, economic freedom, huge market.and now the can do fracking.nobody comes remotely close.
china is a shithole, russia has nothing except gas, the eu union as a whole maybe, but its not realy a union.
and when you have the strongest military, you can "propose" economic ideas and "advice" others to follow and keep mouth shut.
Thanks for the kind words about Americans but you forgot one thing...
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Exactly.
I deal in real life, as it relates to me and mine.
You have your fucking head in the clouds talking about shit that is four hundred levels above anything you can do about it
pffft, speak for yourself, changing human nature (by force) on a planetary scale is all in a days works for me. Hell, I dont even need help, or to create a following (thereby naturally raising me up into leadershup status, the 1st step becoming an elite) to do it.
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pffft, speak for yourself, changing human nature (by force) on a planetary scale is all in a days works for me. Hell, I dont even need help, or to create a following (thereby naturally raising me up into leadershup status, the 1st step becoming an elite) to do it.
Ha ha ha.
Hey, I have a better idea...let's just spin the earth backwards a few decades and change history a little...thats plausibe
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pure fucking comedy the two junky's galeniko and shockwave trying to appear more intelligent than they are by tossing around big words
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Exactly.
I deal in real life, as it relates to me and mine.
You have your fucking head in the clouds talking about shit that is four hundred levels above anything you can do about it
Non Narcissists are capable of dealing with real life and also contemplating the future outcomes of the current system. Individuals can take many steps to minimising the weight of the chains they are shackled too. Those concerned with just themselves lack the capability of thinking outside the box and accept their slavery while condemning anyone else who speaks out about it. I am sure Lenin and other revolutionaries were told the same things, that they may as well not worry about things they cannot change. I am sure in prison you would be the rapists first target, as you are the one most likely to accept the oppression and be grateful for it.
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One of my best friends ate a call-girl/prostitute/hooker's vagina the other night.
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(http://25.media.tumblr.com/fb9fa7b83346cb55759b7cefa43e79a4/tumblr_n1ntc5EE9i1s972fwo1_400.jpg)
The form.. the function... the brilliance of it all.
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pure fucking comedy the two junky's galeniko and shockwave trying to appear more intelligent than they are by tossing around big words
bah. Since discontinuing rec drugs and adding Muscletech brand brain powder ive become 6324.783% smarter, capable of solving all the world's woes using just my frontal lobes.
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bah. Since discontinuing rec drugs and adding Muscletech brand brain powder ive become 6324.783% smarter, capable of solving all the world's woes using just my frontal lobes.
I sincerely apologize then I was unaware of the muscletech addition. :o :-X :P
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stop it.
america has best eonomy bc most enterpreneur freedoms and thats that.
they still on top,and they will become even better.
everyone barring some socialist shitholes are copying them american system.
world wars?have you read about human history?its littered with wars.
last time there was no war going on at all was 1776 i think.
and the time before that and shortly afterwards was terribly conflictual.
can say whatver youw ant abotu usa, their foreign policy is questionable yeah, the hyposcrisy of the govt too, but the economy, driven by the ppl, is the best in the world.
govt overspending ,no social system, but thats all other points.
and they,the ppl,have a good spirit,they will rise after any catastrophic event and just rebuild everything.
positive attitude, economic freedom, huge market.and now the can do fracking.nobody comes remotely close.
china is a shithole, russia has nothing except gas, the eu union as a whole maybe, but its not realy a union.
and when you have the strongest military, you can "propose" economic ideas and "advice" others to follow and keep mouth shut.
I was under the impression that you weren't a big fan of the US... lol
I don't understand the criticism in regard to the social system from Euros? Everyone whose poor in the US has access to medical care, everyone whose old has access to medical care. We have food stamps, subsidized housing, free housing, etc... etc... The only problem here is all the waste and abuse.
If you were employed here you would have health insurance through your job, and if not you would just buy health insurance yourself (because you would keep more of YOUR money, instead of giving it away to greedy bureaucrats for redistribution).
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The form.. the function... the brilliance of it all.
George Whorewell has the most brilliant mind on getbig.
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George Whorewell has the most brilliant mind on getbig.
His exquisite taste in the aesthetically superior female form is a clear indication of intelligence.
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How do we prevent "elitism" from rising? ???
A few ideas please?
it has already been decided - elitism and every form of conceit and wickedness will continue to rise till the day of judgement.
All we can do is trust in Jesus and walk by faith.
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it has already been decided - elitism and every form of conceit and wickedness will continue to rise till the day of judgement.
All we can do is trust in Jesus and walk by faith.
Hi Man of Steel. And where have you been tbombz? Were you really in Jail?
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Terms like "fair" and "good" and "right" are mantras we tell ourselves in the dark of night to hide the truth of existence. Life is force and the ruthless application of that force.
You can hold the "best" moral viewpoint in the world but when that viewpoint leaves your personal application and uses force to implement on others you've just lost the moral high ground.
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Non Narcissists are capable of dealing with real life and also contemplating the future outcomes of the current system. Individuals can take many steps to minimising the weight of the chains they are shackled too. Those concerned with just themselves lack the capability of thinking outside the box and accept their slavery while condemning anyone else who speaks out about it. I am sure Lenin and other revolutionaries were told the same things, that they may as well not worry about things they cannot change. I am sure in prison you would be the rapists first target, as you are the one most likely to accept the oppression and be grateful for it.
Yeah they always go after the guy thats 240 pounds of solid muscle
Just a tip for you and a few others..calling me a narcissist doesnt bother me...I like it. I like the fact that it bothers you ;)
Go grow out your beard some more. ::)
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Terms like "fair" and "good" and "right" are mantras we tell ourselves in the dark of night to hide the truth of existence. Life is force and the ruthless application of that force.
You can hold the "best" moral viewpoint in the world but when that viewpoint leaves your personal application and uses force to implement on others you've just lost the moral high ground.
Exactly. Pretty sure some of the most ruthless dictators in history came to power by championing for the little guy and/or by having the moral high ground.
A lot of Ekuls ideas are scary, simply in the fact that he believes it necessary and completely justified to use force in order to 'help people reach an ideal'. Its dictator 101, and all he sees is 'but itll make everyone's life better!'.
Scary stuff, and there is alot of people with REAL power (rather than the power of the 'allah ackbar' neckbeard Ekul rocks) that have the same delusions......
its a dangerous line of thinkibg, the willingness to use force to push a belief on people that you think will make their lives better.. pretty reminiscent of his hated Muslims, actually.
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You cant really blame Muslims for thinking that its ok to impose beliefs on others by way of force. Muhammad fought in wars and killed people. And thats who they look to for an example of a holy, God-centered life.
I just pray that God has Mercy on them.
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This is what NASA does when the space shuttle program is shut down?
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I just pray that God has Mercy on them.
God does not have mercy on those that he separates from himself. When you open your eyes in hell this fact will become abundantly clear.
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my OBSERVATIONS are based on history and human nature, brochacho. No matter what form of goverment, no matter how things were set up, elites ALWAYS find a way to manipulate and rise to power over others, especially in areas with large populations.
Elites become elites through ruthless and sociopathic manipulation of otherwise innocent systems. Throughout history there is one constant - the ruthless will always rise over the morally strong simply because the ruthless will do whatever it takes to attain power. And the desire to attain power is embedded within human nature.
Even when the morally strong are in positions of authority, the ruthless will eventually get rid of them and take over. Whether by violence, or by cunning, it doesnt matter. The savage will always eventually overtake the civilized.
That's somewhat fair but that trend is on a incremental decline even if it's subtle . If you can't acknowledge that this has been happening there's absolutely no point even talking about the matter.
The fact that were even starting to clearly identify these behaviors gives all the more chance that were gonna be better able to limit them.
Anyway the problem isn't that they corrupt the shit, it's that people refuse to acknowledge the clear signs when something is corrupted beyond to the point the economics makes sense.
If you can't acknowledge blatant monopolies(walmart) as direct threats to a efficient and unrestricted economy your really behind the curve.
The whole Left versus Right thing is Archaic. We can't completely replace the systems we have and the systems we have can't be considered effective.
We need to redefine property rights, so that generational wealth doesn't ending up pooling all the fucking capital. Monopolies can't be tolerated. Burdensome government programs can't be affored, and we sure as hell gotta stop letting outside capital(rich pricks that are citizens) dictate how the fuck we do things.
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Terms like "fair" and "good" and "right" are mantras we tell ourselves in the dark of night to hide the truth of existence. Life is force and the ruthless application of that force.
You can hold the "best" moral viewpoint in the world but when that viewpoint leaves your personal application and uses force to implement on others you've just lost the moral high ground.
Nah, they're rationally considered principles stemming from the empathy with which man is either naturally imbued or results from his recognition of mortality. If life is force and the application of it, that supposes an intellect which directs it, so it's not just unconscious force. And why does it need to be ruthless? How about judicious, or situationally appropriate?
What is the nature of the applied force? Physical coercion? Rhetorical persuasion? Did Ghandi apply a peculiar sort of force? Is the amout of force proportional to the disagreeability of the morality? Would imposing a morality disconcerting to man's nature require more force than a morality with which he is in natural accord?
Just giving you a hard time, man, but I don't accept that life is all about bonking people on the head and taking their potatoes.
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God does not have mercy on those that he separates from himself. When you open your eyes in hell this fact will become abundantly clear.
God has mercy on every single living soul, until the day of judgement. He gets no pleasure from the death of the wicked, but rejoices when they turn back from their wickedness and live in his light. As for you, I encourage you to be humble put your faith to practice in your life, my brother.
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God has mercy on every single living soul, until the day of judgement. He gets no pleasure from the death of the wicked, but rejoices when they turn back from their wickedness and live in his light. As for you, I encourage you to be humble put your faith to practice in your life, my brother.
if god were truly merciful he wouldn' put the condition that he be worshipped as a prerequisite for receiving his mercy
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I take it you don't worship God.
Yet you are alive.
See, he is BEYOND merciful.
For he sheds his light upon everyone... good and evil, believing and unbelieving.
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I take it you don't worship God.
Yet you are alive.
See, he is BEYOND merciful.
For he sheds his light upon everyone... good and evil, believing and unbelieving.
:)
not really a valid response just the typical religious meaningless patter
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not really a valid response
tell me why
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tell me why
i just did. It's a meaningless statement heavy on religious jargon but does not address the issue.
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God has mercy on every single living soul
You're obviously talking about God 2.0, the Nazarene reboot. Not the Midianite/flood/here-a-smite-there-a-smite version, right?
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Why should I care?
It's only a collapse of their systems, their rules, their lies and their visions. I salute fellow man who live to see it crumble. Please bring that day of joy!
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You're obviously talking about God 2.0, the Nazarene reboot. Not the Midianite/flood/here-a-smite-there-a-smite version, right?
I'm waiting for God 3.0 "The Remixes"...old with the new. I hear it will be blazing, featuring The Four Horseman, and the new single "Resurrected Revelations" is fire!
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i just did. It's a meaningless statement heavy on religious jargon but does not address the issue.
let me be more clear: Gods mercy does not depend on worship. You, a man who does not worship him, are livin, eating, breathing, seeing, feeling, and all in all living a very blessed life. he provides you with all that, yet you do not worship him. That is abundant mercy and amazing grace, my brother.
You're obviously talking about God 2.0, the Nazarene reboot. Not the Midianite/flood/here-a-smite-there-a-smite version, right?
the two are one in the same.
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I'm waiting for God 3.0 "The Remixes"...old with the new. I hear it will be blazing, featuring The Four Horseman, and the new single "Resurrected Revelations" is fire!
Sounds dope. When does it drop, brother?
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I take it you don't worship God.
Yet you are alive.
See, he is BEYOND merciful.
For he sheds his light upon everyone... good and evil, believing and unbelieving.
:)
'god' gave you Aids :D
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let me be more clear: Gods mercy does not depend on worship. You, a man who does not worship him, are livin, eating, breathing, seeing, feeling, and all in all living a very blessed life. he provides you with all that, yet you do not worship him. That is abundant mercy and amazing grace, my brother.
the two are one in the same.
If you're a christian, as you claim to be, it most certainly does. You can't enter the kingdom of heaven without accepting Jesus Christ as lord and savior.
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The Earth doesnt have rules...very simple.
When I hear blacks bitching about slavery...I think " tough shit...not my fault you were a bunch of uncivilized monkeys in grass skirts and white Europeans had square rigged sailing ships and gunpowder"
And if the situation was reversed..white people would be bitching and the blacks saying "oh fucking well"
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If you're a christian, as you claim to be, it most certainly does. You can't enter the kingdom of heaven without accepting Jesus Christ as lord and savior.
His kingdom is going to be full of thong-sniffers, pedos and arse kissers. I'd rather go hang in hell. Be a more interesting crowd down there.
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'god' gave you Aids :D
indeed
If you're a christian, as you claim to be, it most certainly does. You can't enter the kingdom of heaven without accepting Jesus Christ as lord and savior.
no, thats not true. Anyone who believes in their heart that Jesus is Messiah will be saved. Indeed. But anyone who has a good heart will also be saved. Read your bible.
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Hahahahahahahahaha! I told you fucks...I told you.
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Oh and I wouldn't worry about the collapse of civilization. The 'Handy Model' seems like a load of cack.
ANYONE with a passing knowledge of Complexity Theory would have a good laugh at those results and predictions. But it does make for a good article ;)
I can also write an algorithm (by using biased variables and constants) that predict 'collapse'.
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Hahahahahahahahaha! I told you fucks...I told you.
nothing you ever post has been proven true and i mean nothing
according to you the world should have ended about five times in the last two years
go out and contribute to society instead of making a cu nt of yourself :)
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Hahahahahahahahaha! I told you fucks...I told you.
But it was always 100% certainty a collapse would come sooner or later. A civilization can only do so much to keep things running for as long as possible, that's good enough and a job well done. It was pretty interesting while it lasted. No big deal.
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let me be more clear: Gods mercy does not depend on worship. You, a man who does not worship him, are livin, eating, breathing, seeing, feeling, and all in all living a very blessed life. he provides you with all that, yet you do not worship him. That is abundant mercy and amazing grace, my brother.
the two are one in the same.
That's what they're saying. Apparently there's another partner as well. Not really sure how that all works, though. Sorta confusing.
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The same way it was enabled to rise in the first place. FORCE
But E-Cool U a anti gun , so no 'force' without usage of ammo ;D
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But it was always 100% certainty a collapse would come sooner or later. A civilization can only do so much to keep things running for as long as possible, that's good enough and a job well done. It was pretty interesting while it lasted. No big deal.
There's not going to be a collapse. Relax yourself. It's been predicted for 100s of years. Nothing ever happens. There's small corrections here and there. Nothing more
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There's not going to be a collapse. Relax yourself. It's been predicted for 100s of years. Nothing ever happens. There's small corrections here and there. Nothing more
We all know there will be a collapse, we just don't know when or for what reasons. Nothing has changed in this regard.
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That's what they're saying. Apparently there's another partner as well. Not really sure how that all works, though. Sorta confusing.
indeed. Gods great majesty is beyond understanding. :)
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We all know there will be a collapse, we just don't know when or for what reasons. Nothing has changed in this regard.
Why do we all know that?
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There's not going to be a collapse. Relax yourself. It's been predicted for 100s of years. Nothing ever happens. There's small corrections here and there. Nothing more
Our economy collapsed 5 years ago...we all didnt died
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indeed. Gods great majesty is beyond understanding. :)
I'll give you that.
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So everything collapses? But we still got food and water ! aahahahaaha that's all you need !!! while sleep and bowel movements can be taken anywhere at any time. Things are looking up!
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So everything collapses? But We still got food and water ! aahahahaaha that's all you need !!! while sleep and bowel movements can be taken anywhere at any time. Things are looking up!
Rami. Click one page back. I asked you to qualify your statement. If you have time, a response would be appreciated. In your own time off course sir.
Why do 'we all know there will be a collapse' ?
And by collapse, what's your definition of that statement? Financial? Civil? Political?
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Rami. Click one page back. I asked you to qualify your statement. If you have time, a response would be appreciated. In your own time off course sir.
Why do 'we all know there will be a collapse' ?
And by collapse, what's your definition of that statement? Financial? Civil? Political?
You are right in that it's all in the definition, not a collapse per se, but an end to political, financial and civil society can also be deliberately and orderly, and in such case the term collapse would not apply.
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You are right in that it's all in the definition, not a collapse per se, but an end to political, financial and civil society can also be deliberately and orderly, and in such case the term collapse would not apply.
Why would there be an end? What would that achieve? People are already being enslaved financially by being utterly stupid. Politically by thinking there's any difference in the two main parties. Civil by, well, civil law.
What more would you want to achieve?
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Why would there be an end? What would that achieve? People are already being enslaved financially by being utterly stupid. Politically by thinking there's any difference in the two main parties. Civil by, well, civil law.
What more would you want to achieve?
Laws of physics brings an end to everything by various degree of change.
I don't know what a deliberate or orderly end to civilization would achieve to those who control it. Perhaps it would provide time to let something new form only to usurp it and rule for yet another 1000 years ( until they are close to being found out again, in which case they repeat the process )
I don't dispute they control the mainstream media and the educational system and use it to fill our minds with lies. They control the banks and use them to enslave us. They control politics and use it to destroy cultures. It's all about control. More control is what they want, by whatever means that are effective long term.
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Laws of physics brings an end to everything by various degree of change.
I don't know what a deliberate or orderly end to civilization would achieve to those who control it. Perhaps it would provide time to let something new form only to usurp it and rule for yet another 1000 years ( until they are close to being found out again, in which case they repeat the process )
I don't dispute they control the mainstream media and the educational system and use it to fill our minds with lies. They control the banks and use them to enslave us. They control politics and use it to destroy cultures. It's all about control. More control is what they want, by whatever means that are effective long term.
why?
Are "they" bored or something ? They already rule the Earth and sit very pretty
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why?
Are "they" bored or something ? They already rule the Earth and sit very pretty
Greed
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Greed
I look at it like this....
You are already at the top of the food chain. So you want to scuttle the whole thing, into chaos....and you are certain that YOU are going to wind up right back on top again...no shit is going to go sideways and fuck up your plan.
I dont think too many very rich, powerful people would be down with that.
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I look at it like this....
You are already at the top of the food chain. So you want to scuttle the whole thing, into chaos....and you are certain that YOU are going to wind up right back on top again...no shit is going to go sideways and fuck up your plan.
I dont think too many very rich, powerful people would be down with that.
They want full control of your every individual brain synapse, make no mistake. Either forcefully and/or subversively. That's when they will stop. It should be obvious to most people, with the founding of the Human Brain Project by Europe and USA. They will use technology to have this power. It's self evident.
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Didn't read....but I'm sure another 5 pages of drivel and baseless assumptions.
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I look at it like this....
You are already at the top of the food chain. So you want to scuttle the whole thing, into chaos....and you are certain that YOU are going to wind up right back on top again...no shit is going to go sideways and fuck up your plan.
I dont think too many very rich, powerful people would be down with that.
Therein lies the problem. The human ego. People in control are so certain XYZ will not happen to them, and when it does....
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Listen to me carefully. You are under their spell. They have gained mastery over you. You are born under their rule and hurled into their system. A pyramid scheme of lifetimes they call capitalism. They are extracting this energy out of you.
Isn't it pretty obvious someone is running this shit by now? They do it covertly, or they would fail. They do it slowly or people would refuse. They do it with beautifull words or you would find your own way.
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Therein lies the problem. The human ego. People in control are so certain XYZ will not happen to them, and when it does....
Cant agree.
Thats why it's always the have-nots screaming the end is near.
Those on top have no desire to rock the boat.
Common sense really
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I'm sure you're right
Pitbulls will bring us to the verge extinction. They slowly start with the weakest and walk their way up. If you're well armed, you're fine.
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Cant agree.
Thats why it's always the have-nots screaming the end is near.
Those on top have no desire to rock the boat.
Common sense really
I can see what you are saying.
It can be said that the have nots want it to all end so that they can be on top. But, look at what many "have nots" have: many social programs are in place for them, like a net to keep them from hitting rock bottom. If it all ends, so do those "safety nets". And who pays for those "safety nets" the haves do.
So, it's in the best interest of the have nots to "not rock the boat".
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Pitbulls will bring us to the verge extinction. They slowly start with the weakest and walk their way up. If you're well armed, you're fine.
:D
Its all gods plan.....hahaha
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Listen to me carefully. You are under their spell. They have gained mastery over you. You are born under their rule and hurled into their system. A pyramid scheme of lifetimes they call capitalism. They are extracting this energy out of you.
Isn't it pretty obvious someone is running this shit by now? They do it covertly, or they would fail. They do it slowly or people would refuse. They do it with beautifull words or you would find your own way.
What are you talking about my man?
Under whose spell am I?
And off course there's people running the show behind the scenes. So what, someone has to. The way I see it, we have it pretty fucking good. I'm sorry but I can't agree with you 100ft tall view of everything. Give me details and hard facts and we can talk. You're being vague
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What are you talking about my man?
Under whose spell am I?
And off course there's people running the show behind the scenes. So what, someone has to. The way I see it, we have it pretty fucking good. I'm sorry but I can't agree with you 100ft tall view of everything. Give me details and hard facts and we can talk. You're being vague
This.
"There are powerful people in control !!"
Really ?...no shit ::)
This just dawned on you ?
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pretending theoretical models can generate insights into the nature of the world 100 years from now when their predictive efficacy demonstrably evaporates beyond a 5 year horizon for even simple phenomena of peace
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pretending theoretical models can generate insights into the nature of the world 100 years from now when they can't predict the state of the world 1 year from now of peace
Or can't predict the weather an hour from now.
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I can see what you are saying.
It can be said that the have nots want it to all end so that they can be on top. But, look at what many "have nots" have: many social programs are in place for them, like a net to keep them from hitting rock bottom. If it all ends, so do those "safety nets". And who pays for those "safety nets" the haves do.
So, it's in the best interest of the have nots to "not rock the boat".
Theyre always the ones saying "It'll never happen" until the walls are burning down around them. I tend to agree with Groink that it's all being blown out of proportion, but it's been proven as well that those at the top are the last people to come to grips with whats coming at them. They don't want to think that something bad will take them down. They'll lie to themselves until the last moment.
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But E-Cool U a anti gun , so no 'force' without usage of ammo ;D
I am not anti gun, I am against morons having guns, in terms of America, they have a far higher than usual percentage of civilian morons, hence the reason American civilians shouldn't be able to have guns for protection purposes. Some countries can pull it off, America NEVER could.
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I look at it like this....
You are already at the top of the food chain. So you want to scuttle the whole thing, into chaos....and you are certain that YOU are going to wind up right back on top again...no shit is going to go sideways and fuck up your plan.
I dont think too many very rich, powerful people would be down with that.
No shit, I always think this when people say "the rich are enslaving us and turning us into one race and using one world currency so they can continue their control" bla bla bla. If that were the case, wouldn't the poor just rise up against their oppressors. I can't believe their is some conspiracy handed down through generations of rich Jews that it's only purpose is to control the world. Oh brother. ::)
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I am not anti gun, I am against morons having guns, in terms of America, they have a far higher than usual percentage of civilian morons, hence the reason American civilians shouldn't be able to have guns for protection purposes. Some countries can pull it off, America NEVER could.
Ironic that we're the only country that DOES pull it off and still maintains some semblance of law and order. But then again, you never were big on reality if it flies in the face of your percieved ideals.
Unlike what goes on in Ekul land, you don't have to walk down the street and worry that you're going to get shot in the states.
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Exactly. Pretty sure some of the most ruthless dictators in history came to power by championing for the little guy and/or by having the moral high ground.
A lot of Ekuls ideas are scary, simply in the fact that he believes it necessary and completely justified to use force in order to 'help people reach an ideal'. Its dictator 101, and all he sees is 'but itll make everyone's life better!'.
Scary stuff, and there is alot of people with REAL power (rather than the power of the 'allah ackbar' neckbeard Ekul rocks) that have the same delusions......
its a dangerous line of thinkibg, the willingness to use force to push a belief on people that you think will make their lives better.. pretty reminiscent of his hated Muslims, actually.
You seem oblivious to the fact that CURRENTLY we are ruled by FORCE based on the belief it will make everyone's lives better. It strikes me as utterly amazing you don't see that. Force is used to keep people in check, it is the core of every society with an authoritative Government. My argument is based on if force is necessary and going to be used, it should be used for the benefit of the majority rather than the benefit of the few (the Elites) as it is currently. It is more dangerous to NOT USE FORCE, as you simply expose yourself to those who are prepared to use it. Think Tibet for example, bunch of peace loving Buddhists unwilling to use force, the Chinese just came in and kicked them out by force . FORCE will always be necessary, it's just a matter of who wields it, the people or the ELITES.
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You seem oblivious to the fact that CURRENTLY we are ruled by FORCE based on the belief it will make everyone's lives better. It strikes me as utterly amazing you don't see that. Force is used to keep people in check, it is the core of every society with an authoritative Government. My argument is based on if force is necessary and going to be used, it should be used for the benefit of the majority rather than the benefit of the few (the Elites) as it is currently. It is more dangerous to NOT USE FORCE, as you simply expose yourself to those who are prepared to use it. Think Tibet for example, bunch of peace loving Buddhists unwilling to use force, the Chinese just came in and kicked them out by force . FORCE will always be necessary, it's just a matter of who wields it, the people or the ELITES.
Lulz.
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Ironic that we're the only country that DOES pull it off and still maintains some semblance of law and order. But then again, you never were big on reality if it flies in the face of your percieved ideals.
Unlike what goes on in Ekul land, you don't have to walk down the street and worry that you're going to get shot in the states.
You're kidding yourself if you think America pulls off civilian gun ownership successfully, it has been an abysmal failure. Children being murdered at school by crazed gunmen is an undeniable sign of a failed society. The very reason Americas gun culture is constantly a focus is because it is an abysmal failure. Switzerland is an example of a successful gun culture, America is a laughing stock.
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Ok E-Kul.....I just appointed you leader of the resistance...what's the plan ?
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Ok E-Kul.....I just appointed you leader of the resistance...what's the plan ?
grow his beard another 8 inches and start murdering pitbuls, rich people, and Americans with guns.
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grow his beard another 8 inches and start murdering pitbuls, rich people, and Americans with guns.
I can see the beard thing....
Those other things would require him actually getting in harms way. Much easier just to rant and rave.
I'm sure you know better than most
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I can see the beard thing....
Those other things would require him actually getting in harms way. Much easier just to rant and rave.
I'm sure you know better than most
Haha, I do, but not nearly as much as my friends that actually had their unit's deployed to combat.
Although to be fair to him, now that I have a wife and child I do my fair share of ranting and raving as well... And I sure won't be volunteering to put myself in harms way again unless I truly believe my childs future to be in jeopardy, whether that be physically in danger or the extremely tiny chance of this country imploding or being overtaken from a hostile force, it doesn't matter.. the only way I'd intentionally volunteer to fight for an ideal again is to ensure my families future well-being.
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No shit, I always think this when people say "the rich are enslaving us and turning us into one race and using one world currency so they can continue their control" bla bla bla. If that were the case, wouldn't the poor just rise up against their oppressors. I can't believe their is some conspiracy handed down through generations of rich Jews that it's only purpose is to control the world. Oh brother. ::)
Remember.....you can always buy half the poor to kill the other half.
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Remember.....you can always buy half the poor to kill the other half.
Which is also why I enjoy watching minorities beat the shit out of each other on television
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Come, armageddon.
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The "elites " only take advantage of the stupidity, greed and selfishness of the masses. They don't create the evils in society but are a reflection of it. I have no sympathy for the proles and neither should anyone else.
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Ooops! My mistake to enter here as I thought it said, "Nasser study".... ;D Can I get a NYUK! NYUK! NYUK! ?
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Ooops! My mistake to enter here as I thought it said, "Nasser study".... ;D Can I get a NYUK! NYUK! NYUK! ?
I'm here all week...don't forget to tip your waiter. ;D
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I'm here all week...don't forget to tip your waiter. ;D
Good to see you, my friend! ;D