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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Dr Dutch on October 23, 2012, 01:48:38 PM
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Med school isn't really like rocket science.... I got no reason to lie about my profession.. ??? ??? ??? ???
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I do. I am happy for you.
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I'm married to a doctor. She says half of them are morons.
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Med school isn't really like rocket science....I got ni reason to lie about my profession.. ??? ??? ??? ???
It`s some european hierarchy carry over where the peasant worship their betters.
Priest, nuns, police officers, politicians, and lawyers are easy to bring down to earth, but due to the legal clout you hold your worshiped.
It`s actually pretty bizarre when you consider how often doctors totally fuck up. Yet they somehow remain authority figures.
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Nobody cares chief
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I believe you
But then again I once believed in UFOS too
So it might not mean much
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You got nothing to prove to these douche bags here! Does their opinion REALLY matter to you?
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Med school isn't really like rocket science....I got ni reason to lie about my profession.. ??? ??? ??? ???
I believe you. I am a PhD and a professor in a medical field myself :-).
NN
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I'm married to a doctor. She says half of them are morons.
She's wrong. It's at least 75%.
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Nobody cares chief
I thought you were on my side, airosol..... :(
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why do you care people don't believe you?
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you might be a doctor, you might not be... until I see evidence, I just don't know...hence the name...
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I believe you
But then again I once believed in UFOS too
So it might not mean much
You are both funny and unpleasant, I really haven't made my mind up about you yet, Raymondo.... :-\
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I give huge fucks about this.
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why do you care people don't believe you?
Just wondering why don't they believe it ?
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you might be a doctor, you might not be... until I see evidence, I just don't know...hence the name...
Maybe that's the exact point: people think a medical doctor is a 21st century God.
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I give huge fucks about this.
Go milk a cow
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a dutch doctor. dutch doctor. doctor.
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a dutch doctor. dutch doctor. doctor.
ya talkin to me ?
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Maybe that's the exact point: people think a medical doctor is a 21st century God.
Yeah, if your god makes you wait 45 minutes past your appointment, misdiagnoses an aggressive cancerous brain tumor as a migraine.. nail on head
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Med school isn't really like rocket science....I got no reason to lie about my profession.. ??? ??? ??? ???
What is your specialty?
NN
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ya talkin to
me ?
no i talkin to the baby jesus
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Yeah, if your god makes you wait 45 minutes past your appointment, misdiagnoses an aggressive cancerous brain tumor as a migraine.. nail on head
I don't do stuff like that, kiddo..
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Med school isn't really like rocket science....I got no reason to lie about my profession.. ??? ??? ??? ???
How far are you along. You matched yet or still doing book work?
And maybe its really easy for you.. But ive had more than a few "set backs"
But i knew people it just came easy to. You might be one of them
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I wouldn't sweat it - being a doctor on Getbig is small fry - most of us are 500lb benching, supermodel dating rocket scientists
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I wouldn't sweat it - being a doctor on Getbig is small fry - most of us are 500lb benching, supermodel dating rocket scientists
Almost sounds like me..
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Got your six
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Got your six
Sorry don't understand this one..
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is a chiropractor a doctor ::)
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is a chiropractor a doctor ::)
Not if your name is Franco Columbu... >:(
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I thought you were on my side, airosol..... :(
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I am. Always thought you were a good egg. :)
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well don't you have patients to attend to?
are you pretending to review their journals while you browse the muscle stud threads?
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Maybe that's the exact point: people think a medical doctor is a 21st century God.
No, that's what doctors think.
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Epic "I want attention because I'm a doctor" thread. ::)
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Just wondering why don't they believe it ?
This is probably because in some places, like in the U.S., doctors are treated as if they are something special. This is probably because so many of them make huge sums of money. We all know how many folks in the U.S. think money rules. It takes a lot of education to become a doctor. We also tend to admire the highly educated. However doctors are still just regular people, like you and me.
I suspect some folks don't believe you are a doctor because they cannot imagine someone of that profession spending time shooting the shit with a bunch of morons in an Internet forum. Incidentally, what kind of practice do you have?
The arborist I hire to prune my trees each year has a Ph.D. There are many types of doctors in the world.
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Doucheguy is a piece of canine excrement who is not only not a doctor but is not even allowed near people.
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First, do no harm.
Doesn't jive with getbig doc
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The arborist I hire to prune my trees each year has a Ph.D. There are many types of doctors in the world.
Some Mexican dude name felipe prunes minw :-\
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Some Mexican dude name felipe prunes minw :-\
Is he a doctor? :)
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You are both funny and unpleasant, I really haven't made my mind up about you yet, Raymondo.... :-\
Go with unpleasant, that way you'll have the occassional pleasant surprise ;)
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dr dutch is a penis doctor
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I'm almost a special force myself but I don't make a number out of it.
Hahaha...nah, if someone is a doctor it's Dr. Dutch :)
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i operated on your fat mom today, she had the pizza dissease haha
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Med school isn't really like rocket science....I got no reason to lie about my profession.. ??? ??? ??? ???
It's not that we don't believe you're a real medical doctor, it's just that we don't really give a shit. HTH. ::)
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i operated on your fat mom today, she had the pizza dissease haha
haha
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Med school isn't really like rocket science....I got no reason to lie about my profession.. ??? ??? ??? ???
I believe that you pretend to be a doctor in order to play with little boys.
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Med school isn't really like rocket science....I got no reason to lie about my profession.. ??? ??? ??? ???
I believe it was you who schooled SMM at one point (before the time of the 1MR), right?
BTW...what are your thoughts on myxoid degeneration of a meniscus?
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Why give a shit what we think about you? If I was to guess why many do not believe you are a doc is because you are on here alot. Just worry about making yourself and your family happy. THAT is what counts dutch.
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doctor dutch is about as much of a doctor as bikini slut is a women
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No, that's what doctors think.
NOT we hate that...
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doctor dutch is about as much of a doctor as bikini slut is a women
How did you come up with your screen name? ;D
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nevertrustanyone may have a paranoid personality disorder... :-[
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As my moma always said "If you really believe, you can be anything "
......... wait :-X
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nevertrustanyone may have a paranoid personality disorder... :-[
I've always believed you were a Doctor.
It is NOT that difficult to become a Doctor, especially if you go the simple route (i.e. Internal Medicine) and stick to city/state schools for both undergrad and med school. That way your debt is practically zero and your competition while getting through premed courses isn't as fierce and due to attending city/state schools, the curriculum is always watered down as compared to high-end private schools (big name schools). Also, stick to internal medicine and you will train alongside Caribbean med school graduates and while the starting pay after residency will be around 150K (with malpractice covered), you have the prestige of being a Doctor and get the perks that come with it (license plate that says MD, cute credit card with MD after your name, prescriptive privileges etc.).
What is difficult is to become a Doctor (MD or DO) and then go on to do a surgical residency (5 extra years) and then maybe an extra specialized surgical residency like say Neurosurgery or Cardiothoracic surgery (both of which are an extra 2-3 years of training on top of the 5 year surgical residency).
When you look at what those guys go through in terms of training here in the USA, it becomes a bit ridiculous.
For a Cardiothoracic surgeon, you have to put in:
4 years of undergrad + 1 year in between to apply for med school + 4 years of Med School + 5 years of general surgery residency + 3 years of CT surgery residency = 17 years of training!!
That's pretty crazy.. Now if you go the Internal Medicine route, it would be WAY easier:
4 years undergrad + 1 year in between to apply for med school + 4 years of med school + 3 year residency = 12 years (not terrible)
So do I believe you? You betcha!
"1"
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1MR, you got the point: becoming a MD is about stamina, not about being bright or creative..
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1MR, you got the point: becoming a MD is about stamina, not about being bright or creative..
Not to mention that you posted your degree once, didn't you?
"1"
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Not to mention that you posted your degree once, didn't you?
"1"
did I ?
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I believe you. I also believe reptilian shapeshifters from the 4th dimension have been controlling us from the moon. . .
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Med school isn't really like rocket science....I got no reason to lie about my profession.. ??? ??? ??? ???
Disgnose me. My lung capacity is down to 75%. It does not improve on albuterol nebulizer treatment. I have GERD but it is successfully treated with ppi. EKG is normal. Chest X-ray clear and heart normal size. 46 allergens tested and none detected positives. this problem began to present when I moved 6 years ago and has progressed.
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Disgnose me. My lung capacity is down to 75%. It does not improve on albuterol nebulizer treatment. I have GERD but it is successfully treated with ppi. EKG is normal. Chest X-ray clear and heart normal size. 46 allergens tested and none detected positives. this problem began to present when I moved 6 years ago and has progressed.
He's googling the symptoms while we wait.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
~_~
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he's a md, but no medical doctor. mic dominator dr dutch has got you
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Oh shit a doctor, i am so impressed and amazed by this feat that i want to suck your cock.
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nevertrustanyone may have a paranoid personality disorder... :-[
With that kind of Screen name, I would agree.
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did I ?
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doctor dutch is about as much of a doctor as bikini slut is a women
Doucheguy is a real tool. I'll love to get the punk in the dojo so I could clobber him.
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I'm married to a doctor. She says half of them are morons.
Which half does your boyfriend fall into?
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Doucheguy is a real tool. I'll love to get the punk in the dojo so I could clobber him.
sounds like you want to suck his dick...
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OMR, you are very mistaken in your belief that Internal Medicine is easy. I am currently board certified in internal medicine and nephrology. Thus, let us look at the schooling. Four years of college. No one year off, you can apply to medical school in your fourth year of college. I got in the top 5% on my MCAT and finished top quarter in my medical school. I obtained my M.D. in four years. Internal medicine for three years. I then did a nephrology fellowship for three years. General surgery is a dying field. Half the classes are not filled now a days, as surgeons get royally screwed once they graduate. Trust me, I know all the local surgeons and the vast majority are now hospital employees. CTS or cardiothoracic surgery usually is done post general surgery and is max 2 years unless you do a research year. Now neurosurgery is impressive. Seven years residency and that does not include a fellowship. Most neurosurgeons are damn near forty when they get out ;D. Anybody who gets through and passes their boards has worked hard. However, as has been surmised on the board, a large number of docs are social retards and generally not overly social people. The docs who are charming and intelligent do very well.
As for calcium and muscle cells, calcium is intrinsic to active muscle contractions via actin - myosin. In a nutshell, lack of calcium or hypocalcemia causes tetany which is where the muscles cannot contract and actually twitch and spasms. Hypercalcemia does not increase muscle contraction or strength. TBH, M.D. don't deal in pathophysiology to the extent that Ph.D's do. If you really want the physiological mechanism whereby a muscle contracts speak to a doctor of physiology. They can bore you at length about voltage gated channels and sarcoplasmic reticulum ;D
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i dont believe youre even dutch. you seem more like someone from mali.
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lemme tell you something they don't teach in pill class, pain meds don't fix nothing!
and can you read your own handwriting?
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Dr Dutch
If you are a Doctor or not, matters not here on Getbig.
Only thing that matters is if you use PED, is an Obama-supporter, utilize Kale Greens or Black Bean Burritos in your diet, what tier you are, if you've had encounters with "soapy studs", have a camsite, do G4P, and if you've ever visited Mirage Hotel.
Those are things that will cause discussion and create threads.
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NOT we hate that...
GP's are okay, surgeons however....
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where's freespirit ???
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Doctor Dutch passed med school with flying colours, did 2 years residency at the local hospital as a general practitioner and then chose to specialise in awful jokes.
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The thing that really turns him on are these 'timeless' clogs.
(http://www.vosmedisch.nl/contents/media/bighorn_klomp_wit_3600.jpg)
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I'm married to a doctor. She says half of them are morons.
Ask her the reason why please. I am curious about it.
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where's freespirit ???
What are you insinuating?
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What are you insinuating?
hi freespirit ;D
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OMR, you are very mistaken in your belief that Internal Medicine is easy. I am currently board certified in internal medicine and nephrology. Thus, let us look at the schooling. Four years of college. No one year off, you can apply to medical school in your fourth year of college. I got in the top 5% on my MCAT and finished top quarter in my medical school. I obtained my M.D. in four years. Internal medicine for three years. I then did a nephrology fellowship for three years. General surgery is a dying field. Half the classes are not filled now a days, as surgeons get royally screwed once they graduate. Trust me, I know all the local surgeons and the vast majority are now hospital employees. CTS or cardiothoracic surgery usually is done post general surgery and is max 2 years unless you do a research year. Now neurosurgery is impressive. Seven years residency and that does not include a fellowship. Most neurosurgeons are damn near forty when they get out ;D. Anybody who gets through and passes their boards has worked hard. However, as has been surmised on the board, a large number of docs are social retards and generally not overly social people. The docs who are charming and intelligent do very well.
Agree with most of what you said, but the competitiveness of Gsurg has actually increased recently presumably due to the work hour restrictions in residency. I believe all spots are filled these days, and I'd be willing to bet the average USMLE of Gsurg is on par with or greater than IM. Still couldn't pay me a million bucks a year to do it, but just saying.
And, yeah, count me as one of those who doesn't believe "Dr Dutch" is a medical doctor. Never really cared, but the whole bit about teaching several nursing classes makes me suspect.
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don't care... would care if you were a chemist...
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Well...this would be a first clou that you are not..... :-\
This year I'm doing a lot of classes for nursing school. These are 17-21 yr old girls (and a few males) who got a definite (caring) feminine side, and lots of 'm are hot as hell....
I'm a lot older (40s), but I am definitely the best build teacher (rest are pencil necks), and they notice this...
I know nothing should happen, but any of you got into this kinda stuff ?
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I'm married to a doctor. She says half of them are morons.
Not dumb.. But ill give you arrogant.
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Nico,
I still think internal medicine is the easiest of specialties. You're essentially the triage person before most patients go off to see specialists. Not to mention that it is also the easiest specialty to get into with only 8% of USA med school graduates going that route due to the low pay (national average starting pay for a hospitalist or internist is at 150k). Do you have to keep up with new trends and emerging disease processes? Sure, but half the time you refer them to a specialist anyway. Hence, why I assume you followed the nephro route.
Regarding education, I did pre-med prior to business, graduated top of my class, took the mcats (got a 38) and got accepted to all city/state schools, as well as 3 out of the 4 privates I applied to. That part wasn't all that difficult. I left that route to go do business, because I realized early on that you can make 3-5x as much as a doctor, without the intense responsibilities. Top that off with the fact that you have thousands of Caribbean led school grads flooding the internal medicine residencies and I think you can imagine why I call it the easiest.
General surgery might be a dying breed, but that's because most if not all surgeons go off to do a speciality after the 5 year general surgery residency. It's like asking an MD to just do internal medicine and forget about a more lucrative and exciting speciality after that 3 year residency.
Just my opinion though,
"1"
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Doctor Dutch passed med school with flying colours, did 2 years residency at the local hospital as a general practitioner and then chose to specialise in awful jokes.
LMAO, damn cyp all this time I just thought I didn't get dutch humor. Now I know that doc is just not funny. Thanks for clearing that up for me. ;)
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I am a M.D. boarded in Internal Medicine and Neuro. I lift and have competed. You find most doctors can not find their way around a gym yet preach the importance of exercise to their patients. I think you might be surprised to find how many actual M.D.s get on this board to kick back and bullshit after busting ass on sick ass patients. The gym gives me time to mellow out and do something for myself. Besides the
patients and nurses ;D get off on my body-- particularly the nurses!!! Don't know who Dr. Dutch is, but he sounds kind of dangerous?!! P.S. I attended Johns Hopkins, not some shit medical school like Dr. Dutch. Besides I am sure I get more muff and better ab workouts than Dr. Dutch-- punk ass!!!
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I am a M.D. boarded in Internal Medicine and Neuro. I lift and have competed. You find most doctors can not find their way around a gym yet preach the importance of exercise to their patients. I think you might be surprised to find how many actual M.D.s get on this board to kick back and bullshit after busting ass on sick ass patients. The gym gives me time to mellow out and do something for myself. Besides the
patients and nurses ;D get off on my body-- particularly the nurses!!! Don't know who Dr. Dutch is, but he sounds kind of dangerous?!! P.S. I attended Johns Hopkins, not some shit medical school like Dr. Dutch. Besides I am sure I get more muff and better ab workouts than Dr. Dutch-- punk ass!!!
I wish I had a doc like you. The ones I have been to freak out if I ask about HRT...and I am 43 with a count of 350. ::)
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I attended Johns Hopkins, not some shit medical school like Dr. Dutch. Besides I am sure I get more muff and better ab workouts than Dr. Dutch-- punk ass!!!
I studied at Rotterdam university. If you know stuff: this is one of the top universities in Europe for medical science.
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Doucheguy is a real tool. I'll love to get the punk in the dojo so I could clobber him.
I'd rather meet up with you again, like we did last month. Remember ? God you were hot..
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I am a M.D. boarded in Internal Medicine and Neuro. I lift and have competed. You find most doctors can not find their way around a gym yet preach the importance of exercise to their patients. I think you might be surprised to find how many actual M.D.s get on this board to kick back and bullshit after busting ass on sick ass patients. The gym gives me time to mellow out and do something for myself. Besides the
patients and nurses ;D get off on my body-- particularly the nurses!!! Don't know who Dr. Dutch is, but he sounds kind of dangerous?!! P.S. I attended Johns Hopkins, not some shit medical school like Dr. Dutch. Besides I am sure I get more muff and better ab workouts than Dr. Dutch-- punk ass!!!
A++++
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I studied at Rotterdam university. If you know stuff: this is one of the top universities in Europe for medical science.
You're a fake and a phony, liar, filt
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where's freespirit ???
I'm home. ???
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I think i will now call myself Professor Don. ???
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I'm home. ???
;D
give all my best to the owls :)
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;D
give all my best to the owls :)
Thank you.
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Does anyone else find it really pretentious when non-medical doctors actually refer to themselves as Dr.? Like, who are you trying to kid; how 'bout we call you schmoctor. That's more like it. If your "D" is not in "M", you're not really a doctor mmmkay. I'm also aware of a few "honorary doctorate" recipients that also refer to themselves as "Dr." ::)
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Does anyone else find it really pretentious when non-medical doctors actually refer to themselves as Dr.? Like, who are you trying to kid; how 'bout we call you schmoctor. That's more like it. If your "D" is not in "M", you're not really a doctor mmmkay. I'm also aware of a few "honorary doctorate" recipients that also refer to themselves as "Dr." ::)
I find it pretentious when you try to be funny.
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I can believe you're a doctor. I mean, Goodrum is a personal trainer, so why not?
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i dont believe youre even dutch. you seem more like someone from mali.
lol
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I can believe you're a doctor. I mean, Goodrum is a personal trainer, so why not?
fatpanda was a scientist, right?
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fatpanda was a scientist, right?
Call center manager that was head-hunted by a large firm and persuaded to head their telecommunications.
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Call center manager that was head-hunted by a large firm and persuaded to head their telecommunications.
i know you're a Brit, but what part of Britain do you came from bro?
i'd guess that you're from the mid-lands, or are you actually a Scot just like Fatpanda?
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MTV cribs needs to investigate this
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Can I get free medical advice?
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Does anyone else find it really pretentious when non-medical doctors actually refer to themselves as Dr.? Like, who are you trying to kid; how 'bout we call you schmoctor. That's more like it. If your "D" is not in "M", you're not really a doctor mmmkay. I'm also aware of a few "honorary doctorate" recipients that also refer to themselves as "Dr." ::)
No, I don't find it pretentious. The term 'Doctor' is an honorific used to convey one's bona fides to teach and practice a subject/discipline as an expert (from the Latin, docere, to teach, and doceo, I teach). In the U.S., physicians are given a professional doctorate, namely, an M.D., or Doctor of Medicine.
As for pretentiousness, my own, very narrow and very limited, experience has not only encountered some extremely gifted M.D.s/researchers, but also plenty of non-research physicians and diligent medical students who are not, contra their own self-assessment, what I'd call tippy-top smart (bright, for sure, but in the world intelligence/academic scorekeeping, not brilliant). I'm not trying to be a research snob(;D), and this is no knock against run-of-the-mill M.D.s, they have worked very hard for their achievements and contribute meaningfully to the common good, but that's been my observation (for whatever it's worth). And, of course, there are very accomplished physicians that are also medical researchers; for example, in the U.S., an M.D. + Ph.D. with a strong record of obtaining research grants and/or publications in eilte research journals.
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I find it pretentious when you try to be funny.
Scram kid.
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but with this liar dr dutch i wouldnt even trust him to let him measure my bloodpressure,hahaha
Why do/would you think so ? ???
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don't care... would care if you were a chemist...
Een chemist mag geen receptjes uitschrijven, mosselman.. :)
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LMAO, damn cyp all this time I just thought I didn't get dutch humor. Now I know that doc is just not funny. Thanks for clearing that up for me. ;)
Hey, which getbigger made you feel welcome when you enlisted....? :(
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Thank you.
I did some research on owls, we caught them in those big nets. When you hold them they are motly air. Amazing how little they weigh...
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Its not that I dont believe that you're a medical doctor, as much as I don't care whether you are a medical doctor or not. It doesn't help me out in any way. You can be a janitor for all I care.
;) ;)
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Its not that I dont believe that you're a medical doctor, as much as I don't care whether you are a medical doctor or not. It doesn't help me out in any way. You can be a janitor for all I care.
;) ;)
That is exactly my point: it doesn't matter. But lotsa posts mention the doctor thing.
So I guess we agree. :D
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Oh shit a doctor, i am so impressed and amazed by this feat that i want to suck your cock.
This is exactly what I mean: why do people say/think/post that being a MD is special..
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I love chinese food.
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why dont ppl believe im a docter? ::)
why dont ppl believ im an astronaut?
I believe you're an asshole..
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I believe you're an asshole..
Wrong, he's a good & honest fella
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This clown comes out here and begs Getbig to believe he's a doctor. He's a fucking fraud is what he is.
but at least he pulls the hot young snatch (17-21 year old nursing students)
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With a post like that it is easy to believe you are a doctor.
I'm in my first year of med school myself, so I figured it would be a good question because if he tried to google it, then it might look like increased calcium would increase muscle contractions, but since calcium is well regulated, dosing up on it doesn't really help.
What do you make in a year if you don't mind me asking? And do you think it is worth it going through all the schooling?
Yeah, I am an M.D. Doesn't mean shit as far as what type of person I am or what I contribute to society. I try my best to work hard and care for sick patient's. I find it kind of embarrassing that the guy would even care if people believe him or not. You don't go into medicine to feed your ego. It pays fairly well and you can get some nice stuff, but ego needs to be left at the door. Oh well, hope he does well in the Netherlands.
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hey, nico, in your case , and from previous chitchat weve had, its obvious you are a doctor or aspiring to become one(one in the making).
but with this liar dr dutch i wouldnt even trust him to let him measure my bloodpressure,hahaha
Thanks Mr. G. I am a certified M.D. and practicing nephrology for the past seven years. I usually deal with diseases of the kidney, electrolyte imbalances, blood pressure management, and rarely toxic ingestions. Regardless, I can attest that it is rather pathetic for a M.D. or soon to be M.D. to be so concerned that people don't kiss his ass or believe that he is a medical professional. To be honest, who cares. Go about your life and do the best you can. Take care of your patients, and that alone will give you self satisfaction. Ego has no place in medicine, although, unfortunately, it is very prevalent in many short-dicked, asshold physicians who are trying to make up for obvious inadequacies. BTW, I can't stand Obama and feel his program is going to bankrupt the healthcare system. My two cents.
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Disgnose me. My lung capacity is down to 75%. It does not improve on albuterol nebulizer treatment. I have GERD but it is successfully treated with ppi. EKG is normal. Chest X-ray clear and heart normal size. 46 allergens tested and none detected positives. this problem began to present when I moved 6 years ago and has progressed.
You are suffering from what is known as an excess of cock-in-the-mouth.
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Agree with most of what you said, but the competitiveness of Gsurg has actually increased recently presumably due to the work hour restrictions in residency. I believe all spots are filled these days, and I'd be willing to bet the average USMLE of Gsurg is on par with or greater than IM. Still couldn't pay me a million bucks a year to do it, but just saying.
And, yeah, count me as one of those who doesn't believe "Dr Dutch" is a medical doctor. Never really cared, but the whole bit about teaching several nursing classes makes me suspect.
I am just passing along what my best friend who is ER trained told me. He is in academics and tells me gen surgery residents nowadays are dumb asses. I got a 220+ on my USMLE. Not great, but good enough considering I went to med school in Miami (suckmymuscle's home town) at the U and used to dick around at South Beach way too much ;D ;D ;D. I did very well on my board exams however.
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Nico,
I still think internal medicine is the easiest of specialties. You're essentially the triage person before most patients go off to see specialists. Not to mention that it is also the easiest specialty to get into with only 8% of USA med school graduates going that route due to the low pay (national average starting pay for a hospitalist or internist is at 150k). Do you have to keep up with new trends and emerging disease processes? Sure, but half the time you refer them to a specialist anyway. Hence, why I assume you followed the nephro route.
Regarding education, I did pre-med prior to business, graduated top of my class, took the mcats (got a 38) and got accepted to all city/state schools, as well as 3 out of the 4 privates I applied to. That part wasn't all that difficult. I left that route to go do business, because I realized early on that you can make 3-5x as much as a doctor, without the intense responsibilities. Top that off with the fact that you have thousands of Caribbean led school grads flooding the internal medicine residencies and I think you can imagine why I call it the easiest.
General surgery might be a dying breed, but that's because most if not all surgeons go off to do a speciality after the 5 year general surgery residency. It's like asking an MD to just do internal medicine and forget about a more lucrative and exciting speciality after that 3 year residency.
Just my opinion though,
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OMR, I am a specialist and tend to agree. However, I tend to agree with you, but many surgeons I deal with are complete dumbasses. TBH, family medicine and pediatrics are the true triage patient's. You obviously have some knowledge, but were not in the trenches. IM is anything but easy. If you go to a good IM program it is tough. However, I agree that in general since there are more IM spots it is easier to get into than say orthopedics, but specialists in IM are very competitive especially cardiology, GI, nephro, etc.
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I believe you
But then again I once believed in UFOS too
So it might not mean much
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dutch, you are a great poster and undoubtedly an MD.
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BTW OMR, I couldn't go into surgery as I got Hodgkin's lymphoma when I was 25 and in final year of med school. I got septic and actually lost site in my right eye after a chemo gone bad. Shit, if I went into surgery as I thought in my third year of medical school I may have seriously fucked up someone lol. Let's just say that a medical speciality is my cup of tea. I love my surgeons and admire their skills. However, it is competitive to go into some specialities not because you have to be smart (TBH...if you have a photographic memory you can be the dumbest fuck around and still ace med school), it is for the cash. Orthos make 400-500K easy each year. Not a bad job to fix a few joints ;D. Smartest dudes I know are immunologists, but damn it is boring stuff. Renal is cool and I get to check bloodwork and monitor a lot of friends who are abusing anabolics. For the most part though, I deal with poorly controlled diabetics and hypertensives.
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BTW OMR, I couldn't go into surgery as I got Hodgkin's lymphoma when I was 25 and in final year of med school. I got septic and actually lost site in my right eye after a chemo gone bad. Shit, if I went into surgery as I thought in my third year of medical school I may have seriously fucked up someone lol. Let's just say that a medical speciality is my cup of tea. I love my surgeons and admire their skills. However, it is competitive to go into some specialities not because you have to be smart (TBH...if you have a photographic memory you can be the dumbest fuck around and still ace med school), it is for the cash. Orthos make 400-500K easy each year. Not a bad job to fix a few joints ;D. Smartest dudes I know are immunologists, but damn it is boring stuff. Renal is cool and I get to check bloodwork and monitor a lot of friends who are abusing anabolics. For the most part though, I deal with poorly controlled diabetics and hypertensives.
I am very sorry to hear that. In light of that fact, you still managed to do very well for yourself.
I have a close family member who is a Gastroenterologist (very close family member) and one of the major concerns he is having is that since he works in an academic institution here in NYC and gets paid a salary, that he might now suffer financially speaking due to the Affordable Care Act.
Have you looked into the financial ramifications of this?
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OMR,
Being a nephrologist, I deal with government healthcare daily. For instance, this is how screwed up our healthcare system is and common sense does not run far in Washington. If you as a young man come into my ER with renal failure and need dialysis, your insurance company may not cover it as an out-patient as they consider your renal failure an acute event. Both Medicare and insurance will refuse to cover it even if you had an illness, needed temporary dialysis, and were likely to recover. How messed up is that. Thus, patients have to stay in the hospital even when they could have come home. What a waste of money. My feeling on the Affordable Care Act is that it will put a shit load of people on Medicaid insurance and not necessarily BCBS or United Healthcare. As it is, Medicaid patients have a hard time finding a doctor. They are know to be more litigenous (SP??), and irresponsible. How is that going to make American healthcare better? Get the lawyers and insurance companies off docs backs, let consumers have the ability to pick their doc without worrying about in or out of network expenses. The good docs will make it. The shitty ones won't. I can speak all day on this topic.
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Med school isn't really like rocket science.... I got no reason to lie about my profession.. ??? ??? ??? ???
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Why don't people believe I am Che Guevara ?
Being a Marxist revolutionary, physician, author, guerrilla leader, diplomat.... isn't really like rocket science, I got no reason to lie about who I'm .
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ok, are u an employed "medical doctor" then? It's just that ur on here all day and racked up a huge post count very fast. Most doctors don't do this as they are busy -- busy being a doctor, surprisingly -- but maybe u like to post from your surgery/office.
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hey nico, its not lack of common sense, its greed for the money
G, I agree. Greed runs this world. However, I know of a lot of docs that do a lot for the community and take care of indigent patients. I have a lot of indigent and Medicaid patients who I take care of that no other physician in the area will see. I do well and I feel that giving back to people who want and need help is the least I could do. The true greedy bastards are the trial attorneys who sue doctors for no reason. Maybe, if docs weren't always trying to save their asses from getting sued then medicine wouldn't be so expensive. Ultimately, improved compliance and lifestyle from patients, more compassion from physicians, decreased litigation and fear of lawsuits, and a unobtrusive insurance industry that has accountants double guessing your decisions would improve healthcare in America. All I can say is that I love my job, but there is a lot of bureacratic BS.
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ok, are u an employed "medical doctor" then? It's just that ur on here all day and racked up a huge post count very fast. Most doctors don't do this as they are busy -- busy being a doctor, surprisingly -- but maybe u like to post from your surgery/office.
If you are referring to me it is Saturday evening so I am not at work. Although I did round at three hospitals today ;D. Cheers mate
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Hey, which getbigger made you feel welcome when you enlisted....? :(
See, I just don't get your humor, no offense friend. Seriously, what do you mean by this. If you are referring to when I first came to GB as enlisted no one made me feel welcome. That over 8 years ago and those were brutal times. Every man for himself.
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Yea I used to be real altruistic and would see all indigents and uninsured. No more. I lift and make money. Nothing about greed-- it's about common sense. God will bless me for all the uninsured I have helped. Usually it is the indigents who are looking to win the lotto and sue your ass. They come to you as 'train wrecks' never having seen a doctor in 20 years and expect the government to foot the bill. They of course are already on Workman's Comp and medical disability. Fuck time for me to make some money. Bodybuild, fuck, and make money...
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Why don't people believe I am Che Guevara ?
Being a Marxist revolutionary, physician, author, guerrilla leader, diplomat.... isn't really like rocket science, I got no reason to lie about who I'm .
....who I am.
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Yea I used to be real altruistic and would see all indigents and uninsured. No more. I lift and make money. Nothing about greed-- it's about common sense. God will bless me for all the uninsured I have helped. Usually it is the indigents who are looking to win the lotto and sue your ass. They come to you as 'train wrecks' never having seen a doctor in 20 years and expect the government to foot the bill. They of course are already on Workman's Comp and medical disability. Fuck time for me to make some money. Bodybuild, fuck, and make money...
(http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd83/Dalai_e/Fuckoffanddie.gif)
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Hey, which getbigger made you feel welcome when you enlisted....? :(
The Getbig.com forum is like prison. You have to earn the other inmates' respect, which takes time and a lot of posts. I'd have been leery of anyone who was too friendly or welcoming when I first posted here.
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Yeah, I am an M.D. Doesn't mean shit as far as what type of person I am or what I contribute to society. I try my best to work hard and care for sick patient's. I find it kind of embarrassing that the guy would even care if people believe him or not. You don't go into medicine to feed your ego. It pays fairly well and you can get some nice stuff, but ego needs to be left at the door. Oh well, hope he does well in the Netherlands.
I suspect that Dutch really doesn't care whether the folks here believe him or not....he just wanted something to post about.
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I can believe Dutch being an urologist. Just saying.
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Give me 10 names of patients Dr. Dutch. 10 names.
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Yea I used to be real altruistic and would see all indigents and uninsured. No more. I lift and make money. Nothing about greed-- it's about common sense. God will bless me for all the uninsured I have helped. Usually it is the indigents who are looking to win the lotto and sue your ass. They come to you as 'train wrecks' never having seen a doctor in 20 years and expect the government to foot the bill. They of course are already on Workman's Comp and medical disability. Fuck time for me to make some money. Bodybuild, fuck, and make money...
You seem like such a swell doctor, however I think I will stick with my current doctor.
By the way, if these folks you reference are on workers' compensation, they likely aren't indigent because they have an income and their medical bills are paid by workers' comp. Workers' comp pays 75% of your salary and 100% of the injury related medical costs. Often people on workers' comp use earned sick leave to cover the other 25% of their salary. Additionally, workers' comp is not taxed. Likewise, folks who qualify for Social Security Disability, have incomes and medical coverage via Medicare or when poor enough, Medicaid.
Many of the uninsured are the working poor in this country. A lot of these folks work several part-time jobs for employers who don't provide medical insurance. The truly indigent often don't work at all. This is either because they are somehow unemployable or sometimes because they chose not to work. When these folks get sick, they often end up at hospital emergency rooms because they cannot be turned away by law and they know that many doctors, like you, won't treat them. Unfortunately, the cost of treating the uninsured and truly indigent is passed on to those who pay for medical care, usually because they have medical insurance. This is one of the reasons, medical insurance premiums are so high and why medical costs are as high as they are.
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Give me 10 names of patients Dr. Dutch. 10 names.
your mom X 10
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He pulls his small penis. A real scumbag and a disgrace.
Remember what you pulled last week, RimRat ?
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See, I just don't get your humor, no offense friend. Seriously, what do you mean by this. If you are referring to when I first came to GB as enlisted no one made me feel welcome. That over 8 years ago and those were brutal times. Every man for himself.
btw what humor are you referring to... ???
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Give me 10 names of patients Dr. Dutch. 10 names.
You may want to research what HIPPA is. Why not ask what his credit card number and expiration date is?
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You may want to research what HIPPA is. Why not ask what his credit card number and expiration date is?
or if I vote Obama or Romney... :)
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oh i didnt mean the docs , i rather meant pharma industry and insurances in particular.
some docs are good some suck, some just rip of insuarances, its a vicious cycle.
G, completely agree. The docs who run every test and procedure after procedure to milk the insurance companies and patients are just wrong. Believe me, we are well educated, but it does not mean that we or hospitals should charge a patient thousands upon thousands of dollars for a simple procedure. I can see where concierge medicine is going vogue. Think about it, you don't usually go to the supermarket and pay for your food and give an IOU. In medicine, if I see a patient, I have to code for it via ICD9 codes, my biller submits to Medicare or Commercial insurance, and then 4-6 weeks later I will be reimbursed. Medicine is becoming a hassle when it comes to the loops you have to jump through to deal with insurance companies.
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Yea I used to be real altruistic and would see all indigents and uninsured. No more. I lift and make money. Nothing about greed-- it's about common sense. God will bless me for all the uninsured I have helped. Usually it is the indigents who are looking to win the lotto and sue your ass. They come to you as 'train wrecks' never having seen a doctor in 20 years and expect the government to foot the bill. They of course are already on Workman's Comp and medical disability. Fuck time for me to make some money. Bodybuild, fuck, and make money...
USMC,
I understand where you are coming from, but I don't like classifying people simply based on their income. Obviously, I am intolerant of individuals who refuse to get insurance, but can pay for cigarettes, beer and drugs. Doesn't make a lot of sense, but usually these people are on the verge of dialysis and God has had his say. A lot of indigent or Medicaid patient's I see are very respectable and appreciate what I do for them. However, sometimes I will deal with obscenely wealthy individuals who feel it is their God given right to monopolize your time and are insensitive to the fact that they are not your only patient. Shit goes both ways. Yes, if you work in an inner city neighborhood you can become very jaded. However, social status in no way justifies assumptions about ones character. As a physician we make an extraordinarily good living compared to 99% of Americans. It does not hurt to give some back. BTW, don't think I a social Democrat as I am a staunch Republican. However, I have met enough people and practiced medicine for a long enough time to realize that there is good and bad everywhere. Moreover, some of the physicians I work with I consider scumbag lowlifes. Make your money you worked hard and deserve it. However, don't be so judgmental about people until you have met them and figured them out. Some are complete dirtbags, but others may have had a bad twist in life. Fuck, I never thought I would get lymphoma at 25...WTF. Shit happens.
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G, completely agree. The docs who run every test and procedure after procedure to milk the insurance companies and patients are just wrong. Believe me, we are well educated, but it does not mean that we or hospitals should charge a patient thousands upon thousands of dollars for a simple procedure. I can see where concierge medicine is going vogue. Think about it, you don't usually go to the supermarket and pay for your food and give an IOU. In medicine, if I see a patient, I have to code for it via ICD9 codes, my biller submits to Medicare or Commercial insurance, and then 4-6 weeks later I will be reimbursed. Medicine is becoming a hassle when it comes to the loops you have to jump through to deal with insurance companies.
So then, how about we go back to the way it was in the 1950's. My father was self-employed. Like a lot of folks we did not have medical insurance. We only went to the doctor if there was something seriously wrong and not for every little thing like some folks do today. Not being insured, we simply paid for an office visit and whatever prescription (if any) the doctor prescribed.
When I see my GP today, the cost of a doctor visit with him is around $130. What do you suppose it was in 1955? Insurance paid him about $75 and I paid $10. Last July after being diagnosed with prostate cancer, I had a Da Vinci radical prostatectomy. I was in the hospital 2 days. The total cost for thprocedurere was $36,000 and change. Insurance paid around $10,000 and I was on the hook for $300. which is my hospital co-pay for two days stay. Being as how I am on a Enhanced Med Advantage Plus RX insurance plan, I imagine billing is something of a nightmare. And yes, my doctors wait to be paid often as long as three months.
Back in the "old" days, my mom had a hysterectomy. My parents paid the hospital and the doctor off over the course of a year so as to not have to borrow money to pay for medical care.
In those days we had neighbors who had very little money and no medical insurance despite the father being a working film editor for the studios. One day their youngest daughter caught fire while her brother tried to start the barbecue with a can of gasoline. The screams were unbelievable. Anyway, the father took his burnt to a crisp daughter to several hospital emergency rooms all of which refused to admit her before finally driving her several miles to what I imagine was L.A. General hospital. A week later she died.
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Prime,
I agree that insurance is important, but the loopholes that physicians and patient's must play to get adequate care are amazing. Every test that is above and beyond the bare minimum requires a pre-authorization. If some schmoe in accounting who may not even be a physician deems it unnecessary, it is a bitch to get overturned. Regardless, the future of medicine is concerning considering the new healthcare bill. Do you really want a panel of physicians that are unelected determining what treatment you deserve. Cookbook medicine is not optimal.
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Prime,
I agree that insurance is important, but the loopholes that physicians and patient's must play to get adequate care are amazing. Every test that is above and beyond the bare minimum requires a pre-authorization. If some schmoe in accounting who may not even be a physician deems it unnecessary, it is a bitch to get overturned. Regardless, the future of medicine is concerning considering the new healthcare bill. Do you really want a panel of physicians that are unelected determining what treatment you deserve. Cookbook medicine is not optimal.
Totally. I am sick and tired of companies like Optum Health doing that to me. Patient needs the care and they limit things
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^best thing you can do is get a good PPO insurance, hopefully the care stays the same or gets better I've been happy with my PPO. HMO is a nightmare they try not to pay for anything...
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Prime,
I agree that insurance is important, but the loopholes that physicians and patient's must play to get adequate care are amazing. Every test that is above and beyond the bare minimum requires a pre-authorization. If some schmoe in accounting who may not even be a physician deems it unnecessary, it is a bitch to get overturned. Regardless, the future of medicine is concerning considering the new healthcare bill. Do you really want a panel of physicians that are unelected determining what treatment you deserve. Cookbook medicine is not optimal.
So tell what is the difference between a for profit insurance company non-medical employee deciding whether I get care or not and a panel of physicians determining what treatment I need? Given those two choices, I'd go with the panel of physicians.
My wife and I are fortunate to have "Cadillac" medical insurance coverage for which we pay a hefty premium. If we see a specialist, no pre-authorization is required. Any lab work or test ordered by our physician is 100% covered.
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Med school isn't really like rocket science.... I got no reason to lie about my profession.. ??? ??? ??? ???
Those with self esteem don't worry.
Those without cat call and claim everyone is 5th grade drop out like themselves.
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G, completely agree. The docs who run every test and procedure after procedure to milk the insurance companies and patients are just wrong. Believe me, we are well educated, but it does not mean that we or hospitals should charge a patient thousands upon thousands of dollars for a simple procedure. I can see where concierge medicine is going vogue. Think about it, you don't usually go to the supermarket and pay for your food and give an IOU. In medicine, if I see a patient, I have to code for it via ICD9 codes, my biller submits to Medicare or Commercial insurance, and then 4-6 weeks later I will be reimbursed. Medicine is becoming a hassle when it comes to the loops you have to jump through to deal with insurance companies.
How the fuck does anyone thing the insurance companies ever get ripped off? These scam artist rip Americans off billions and no one does shit about it? Why? Because who pays for these 170 million dollar campaign funds? Even people with insurance, are channeled who they can see and how much is paid....Private pay insurance companies are ruining healthcare in the US, bottom line! The first time and physician does not do a complete work-up and miss that lump or tumor and found 2 years later and the person dies in two months....then they sue the shit out of the facility and physician, when the damn insurance dictated to the physician what they could do....complete bullshit!