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IF there is no God who governs human life?
« on: June 18, 2009, 12:44:44 AM »
Stranger - devil/satan

 'But here is a question that is troubling me: if there is no God, then,
one may  ask,  who governs human  life and, in  general, the  whole order of
things on earth?'
     'Man governs  it himself,'  Homeless angrily hastened to reply  to this
admittedly  none-too-clear  question.  `Pardon  me,'  the stranger responded
gently, 'but in  order to  govern, one needs,  after  all, to have a precise
plan for certain, at least somewhat  decent, length of time. Allow me to ask
you, then, how man can govern, if he is not only deprived of the opportunity
of making a plan for at least  some ridiculously short period - well, say, a
thousand years - but cannot even vouch for his own tomorrow?
     `And in fact,' here the  stranger turned to Berlioz, 'imagine that you,
for  instance,  start  governing,  giving  orders to  others  and  yourself,
generally, so  to  speak, acquire  a taste for  it,  and  suddenly  you  get
...hem... hem ...  lung cancer...' -  here the foreigner smiled sweetly, and
if the thought of lung cancer gave him pleasure -  'yes, cancer' - narrowing
his eyes like a cat, he  repeated the sonorous word - 'and so your governing
is over!
     'You are no longer  interested  in anyone's fate  but  your  own.  Your
family starts lying to  you. Feeling  that something is  wrong,  you rush to
learned  doctors, then  to quacks, and sometimes to fortune-tellers as well.
Like the first,  so  the second and third are  completely senseless, as  you
understand. And it all ends tragically: a man who still  recently thought he
was governing something, suddenly winds up lying motionless in a wooden box,
and the people around him, seeing that the man lying there is no longer good
for anything, burn him in an oven.
     'And sometimes  it's  worse still: the man  has just decided  to go  to
Kislovodsk' - here the foreigner squinted  at Berlioz - 'a trifling  matter,
it seems, but even this he cannot accomplish, because suddenly, no one knows
why, he slips and falls under a tram-car! Are you going to say it was he who
governed himself that way? Would it not be more correct to think that he was
governed by someone else  entirely?' And here  the unknown man  burst into a
strange little laugh.
     Berlioz listened with great attention to the unpleasant story about the
cancer and the tram-car, and certain alarming thoughts began to torment him.
'He's  not a foreigner... He's not  a foreigner...' he thought, 'he's a
most peculiar specimen ... but, excuse me, who is he then? ...'
     You'd  like  to   smoke,  I  see?'  the  stranger   addressed  Homeless
unexpectedly. "Which kind do you prefer?'
     'What,  have you got several?' the poet, who had run out of cigarettes,
asked glumly.
     'Which do you prefer?' the stranger repeated.
     'Okay - Our Brand,' Homeless replied spitefully.
     The unknown  man immediately took  a cigarette case from his pocket and
offered it to Homeless:
     'Our Brand...'
     Editor and poet were both struck,  not so  much by  Our Brand precisely
turning up in the cigarette case, as by the cigarette case itself. It was of
huge size, made  of  pure gold, and, as it was  opened,  a  diamond triangle
flashed white and blue fire on its lid.
     Here the writers thought differently. Berlioz: 'No, a foreigner!',  and
Homeless: 'Well, devil take him, eh! ...'
     The poet and the owner of the cigarette case lit up, but the non-smoker
Berlioz declined.
     'I  must counter  him like this,' Berlioz decided, 'yes, man is mortal,
no one disputes that. But the thing is...'
     However, before he managed to utter these words, the foreigner spoke:
     'Yes, man is mortal, but that would be only half the trouble. The worst
of it  is that he's sometimes unexpectedly mortal - there's  the trick!  And
generally he's unable to say what he's going to do this same evening.'
     `What an absurd  way  of putting the question ...' Berlioz  thought and
objected:
     'Well, there's  some exaggeration here. About  this same  evening I  do
know more or less certainly. It goes without saying, if a brick  should fall
on my head on Bronnaya. . '
     'No  brick,' the  stranger interrupted  imposingly, `will ever fall  on
anyone's head just out of  the blue.  In this particular case, I assure you,
you are not in danger of that at all. You will die a different death.'



Same enening
Berlioz,  not  stopping  to  listen   to   the  cadging   and  clowning
choirmaster, ran up to the turnstile and took hold  of it with his hand.  He
turned it and was  just about to  step across  the rails when  red and white
light  splashed  in his  face.  A  sign lit  up in  a  glass  box:  'Caution
Tram-Car!'
     And right  then this tram-car came racing along, turning down the newly
laid line from Yermolaevsky  to  Bronnaya. Having  turned, and coming to the
straight stretch, it suddenly  lit  up  inside with electricity, whined, and
put on speed.
     The prudent Berlioz, though he was standing in a safe place, decided to
retreat behind the stile, moved his hand on the crossbar, and stepped back.
     And right then his hand slipped and slid, one foot, unimpeded, as if on
ice, went  down the cobbled slope leading to the rails, the other was thrust
into the air, and Berlioz was thrown on to the rails.
     Trying to get hold  of something,  Berlioz fell  backwards, the back of
his head  lightly striking the cobbles,  and had  time to see high up -  but
whether  to  right  or  left  he no longer knew - the  gold-tinged moon.  He
managed  to  turn  on his side, at the same moment drawing  his legs  to his
stomach in a frenzied movement,  and, while turning, to make  out the  face,
completely  white  with horror, and the crimson armband of the  woman driver
bearing down on him  with irresistible force. Berlioz did not  cry  out, but
around him the whole street screamed with desperate female voices.
     The woman driver tore at  the electric brake, the car dug its nose into
the ground, then instantly jumped up, and glass flew from the windows with a
crash and a jingle. Here someone in Berlioz's brain  cried desperately: 'Can
it  be?...'  Once more, and for the  last  time, the  moon flashed,  but now
breaking to pieces, and then it became dark.
     The  tram-car went over Berlioz, and a round  dark object was thrown up
the  cobbled slope below  the fence of the Patriarch's walk.  Having  rolled
back down this slope, it went bouncing along the cobblestones of the street.
     It was the severed head of Berlioz.





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Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2009, 04:31:13 PM »
cliff notes governs getbig.  try it again

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Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2009, 12:30:18 AM »
cliff notes governs getbig.  try it again and I have a vagina
Epic attempt to sound smart in 2- 3 words.
 As long as getbig exists someone must be running or governing it as you put it. IF not you, I, some third person. There is neither logic nor a great try that none the other as someone named Cliff Notes is being that cool, nor that he's smart, or you're being living pathetic on getbig and me being a millionaire, there is nothing but idle chance. as well as you were born in a shithole, I in Russia and someone third in Zambia, someone 4'th in Bill gates family. 'm sure that twaddle you will not uderstand because.... well you're an american, don't even prove me wrong.


To think you're governing something is the pure illusion albeit a very persistant one


Questions?
 How man can govern, if he is not only deprived of the opportunity of making a plan for at least some ridiculously short period - well, say, a thousand years - but cannot even vouch for his own tomorrow?

 Man is mortal, but that is only half the trouble. Sometimes he's unexpectedly mortal - there's the trick!
Since there are lots of tough dudes or posers who think they are governing something or building their careers or something here is the question arises. What if your next kid or your 1'st is born dead or ugly or idiot is that you governed that way? Tommorow you die in a carwreck, should we think that it is you that governed yourself that way. You've come on the earth involuntarily and without an invitation. Was it you goverened your miserable self being that way? Let us know.







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Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2009, 01:25:19 PM »
i recommend ya read up on string theory
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Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2009, 11:44:20 PM »
i recommend ya read up on string theory
sorry I did not understand you can u elaborate a bit more or may be say something more intelligent related to the topic

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Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2009, 01:19:20 AM »
'It's  high
time you swore by it, since it's hanging by a hair, I can tell you.'
'You don't think it was you who hung it, Hegemon?' the prisoner asked.
'If so, you are very mistaken.'
Pilate gave a start and replied through his teeth:
'I can cut that hair.'
`In that, too, you are mistaken,' the prisoner retorted, smiling
brightly and shielding himself from the sun with his hand. 'YOU must agree
that surely only he who hung it can cut the hair?'




Thus spoke Yeshua Ha-Nozri.............

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Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2009, 01:29:21 AM »
 And the Satan himself and none the other as the one Yeshua Ha-Nozri say that man doesn't govern anything on this planet earth................... ..............

 I'm relly astounded at all the other threads, disputing actually about nothing...

 
      '... who are you, then?'
     'I am part of that power which eternally wills evil and eternally works
good.'
     Goethe, Faust

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Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2009, 08:29:27 AM »
sorry I did not understand you can u elaborate a bit more or may be say something more intelligent related to the topic

The Elegant Universe

just watch

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/educational/watch/v472702sksHgKsp#

bnow ya dont even hafta read...i've provided a video format
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Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2009, 12:51:23 PM »
The Elegant Universe

just watch

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/educational/watch/v472702sksHgKsp#

bnow ya dont even hafta read...i've provided a video format

Can you tell us what that video all about. What does it teach. Tell us your thoughts of this before we click.
Toxic you just skipped all questions.

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Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2009, 12:55:32 PM »
Can you tell us what that video all about. What does it teach. Tell us your thoughts of this before we click.
Toxic you just skipped all questions.


that video answers it all..and i do believe what that video says...for me to type all tha would take pages

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But here is a question that is troubling me: if there is no God, then,
one may  ask,  who governs human  life and, in  general, the  whole order of
things on earth?
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the above ws the question you asked..

the short answer is that we are not governed and are governed by chaos at the same time...see the short answer didn't make sence did it? in quantum mechanix, all possibilities r possible...but th probability of them occuring changes

watch the video
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Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2009, 11:44:43 AM »
 It didn't make sense for me as far as I know the nature doesn't do anything in vain and there is no chaos.
You say that we are not governed does it mean we can actually govern something?
 Going back to the 1's post
 
How man can govern, if he is not only deprived of the opportunity
of making a plan for at least some ridiculously short period - well, say, a
thousand years - but cannot even vouch for his own tomorrow or generally he's unable to say what he's going to do this same evening?
 
Going by the chaous theory of your friends doesn't it mean a brick can fall on your head while you're walking your dog?
 'No brick,' the SATAN interrupted imposingly, `will ever fall on
anyone's head just out of the blue. In this particular case, I assure you,
you are not in danger of that at all. You will die a different death.'
 Toxic you skipped all the questions actually. I'm deadly drunk my oversees friend.


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Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2009, 11:58:37 AM »
'And sometimes  it's  worse still: the man  has just decided  to go  to
Kislovodsk' - here the foreigner squinted  at Berlioz - 'a trifling  matter,
it seems, but even this he cannot accomplish, because suddenly, no one knows
why, he slips and falls under a tram-car! Are you going to say it was he who
governed himself that way? Would it not be more correct to think that he was
governed by someone else  entirely?'
Governed by chaos?

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Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2009, 01:51:22 AM »
If you're thinking you can govern your life it's the pure illusion albeit a very persistant one...Ask the Satan or Yeshua Ha-Nozri

 Toxic "The chaos is in the minds" as one russian classic said....

I'm all ears, try it again

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Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2009, 05:08:57 AM »
Is talking/responding to your own posts multiple times a symptom of lunacy?

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Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2009, 08:13:01 AM »
If you're thinking you can govern your life it's the pure illusion albeit a very persistant one...Ask the Satan or Yeshua Ha-Nozri

 Toxic "The chaos is in the minds" as one russian classic said....

I'm all ears, try it again

yeesh
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4237751840526284618&ei=P58_Sv_-OJC4rgLDlcSWBQ&q=Quantum+mechanics+cartoon&hl=en
i'm talking proven science here...
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Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2009, 09:53:47 AM »
You're talking about proven science???????????
"Nothing is proved, all is permitted" Theodore Dreiser
I see you you have a slavish reverence for authorities or scientists, discovery channel, FOX tv, CNN, whatever and a complete lack of any desire for independent thought?????????????? and you just cannot explain it by yourself?????????

"Pharisaism, stupidity and arbitrariness reign not merely in merchants' houses and police stations: I see them in SCIENCE, in literature, among the young" Anton Chekhov

I repeat there is no chaos in the nature - The chaos is in the heads.
You just didn't read carefull the 1'st post and skipped all the questions which have been asked down further. It's not your fault as you speak in the USA.


To die of sunburn! Why refuse what is offered
by law! In what terms did he refuse it?'
'He said,' the guest answered, again closing his eyes, 'that he was
grateful and laid no blame for the taking of his life.'
'On whom?' Pilate asked in a hollow voice.
That he did not say, Hegemon...'
'Did he try to preach anything in the soldiers' presence?'
'No, Hegemon, he was not loquacious this time. The only thing he said
was that among human vices he considered cowardice one of the first.'

Toxicavenger or anyone else don't be a pussy or a coward and answer this

How man can govern, if he is not only deprived of the opportunity of making a plan for at least some ridiculously short period - well, say, a thousand years - but cannot even vouch for his own tomorrow or generally he's unable to say what he's going to do this same evening?

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Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2009, 12:44:03 AM »
Every man comes on this planet earth involuntarily and without an invitation and up at least to 15 y.o. he cannot answer quite coherently whether he's governing something on his way or not. But suddenly man is deciding that he can govern his fate and wanna become a prominent scientist for that he go to Kembridge or Oxford - you name it for the best education outhere as his (they are jewish and think they are god chosen people lol) parents ponder. But suddenly no one knows why the man dies in a car wreck/airplane crash - you name it. And it all ends tragically: a man who still recently thought he was governing something, suddenly winds up lying motionless in a wooden box, and the people around him, seeing that the man lying there is no longer good for anything, burn him in an oven.
 
 I can't stop rolling on the floor laughing my ass off

 I see some getbiggers there get hard on when hear the scientist word and even a harder hard on when hear - scientists proved/quantum mechanics/chaous theory. I tell you what - consider brand-names and labels a prejudice.

 "The cleverest of all, in my opinion, is the man who calls himself a fool at least once a month."
Fyodor Dostoevsky
 I wonder do those scientists which are getting hard on when they are proving something ask themselves whether am I a clown, dumbass or complete idiot at least once a month?????????? Do the president of the USA Barack Obama "The black assassin of the flies" call himself a fool at least once a month???? Or he's a coward to confess in it worldwide????? and cowardice was undoubtedly one of the most terrible vices. Thus spoke Yeshua Ha-Nozri. No, philosopher, I disagree with you: it is the most terrible vice!

 There are mormons on a misson walking and skipping around. Are they really thinking they are governing something or they are "the miserable human beings" can decide something or change someone's life for the better???????? Unfockingbelievable.

  THEY'RE NOT THAT SIMPLE AS THEY SEEM
THEY'VE COME TO RUSSIA WITH THE SCHEME
THEY WOULD HAVE LOVED THAT EACH OF YOU
WOULD SAY - I'M THE MORMON AREN'T YOU?

THEY'RE GETTING PUNCHED ON EVERY STREET
THE GUYS ARE TOUGH THEY LOVE THAT BEAT
WE'RE ON A MISSION YOU HEAR THEM SAY
WE'RE GETTING KICKED EACH FRIGGIN DAY!

THEY NEITHER DRINK NOR SMOKE AT ALL
TO DIE BEING HEALTHY THAT'S THEIR GOAL
THEY PUT IT STRAIGHT HOW GOOD CAN WE GO?
BETTER THAN RUSSIANS? NEVER, HELL, NO!!!

I cannot stop laughing rolling on the floor...my rib cage hurts
Please anyone not that "somewhat stupid" can add something intelligent to the truth that hurts?????????





quantum mechanics
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Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2009, 11:50:48 PM »
So, then, I wanted to show you your hero. For about two thousand years he
has been sitting on this platform and sleeping, but when the full moon
comes, as you see, he is tormented by insomnia. It torments not only him,
but also his faithful guardian, the dog.
     If it is true that cowardice is the most grievous vice, then the dog at
least is not guilty of it. Storms were the only thing the brave dog feared.
Well, he who loves must share the lot of the one he loves.'
     `What is he saying?' asked  Margarita, and her perfectly calm face
clouded over with compassion.
     'He says one and the same thing,'  Woland (The Satan) replied. `He says that even
the moon gives him no peace, and that his is a bad job. That is what he
always says when he is not asleep, and when he sleeps, he dreams one and the
same thing: there is a path of moonlight, and he wants to walk down it and
talk with the prisoner Ha-Nozri, because, as he insists, he never finished
what he was saying that time, long  ago, on the fourteenth day of the spring
month of Nisan. But, alas, for some reason he never manages to get on to
this path, and no one comes to  him. Then there's no help for it, he must
talk to himself. However, one does need some diversity, and to his talk
about the moon he often adds that of all things in the world, he most hates
his immortality and his unheard-of fame. He maintains that he would
willingly exchange his lot for that of the ragged tramp Matthew Levi.'
     `Twelve thousand moons for one moon long ago, isn't that too much?'
asked Margarita.
     `Repeating  the story with  Frieda?' said Woland (The Satan). 'But don't trouble
yourself here, Margarita. Everything will turn out right, the world is built
on that.'
 'Let him go!' Margarita suddenly cried piercingly, as she had cried
once as a witch, and at this cry a stone fell somewhere in the mountains and
tumbled down the ledges into the abyss, filling the mountains with rumbling.
But Margarita could not have said whether it was the rumbling of its fall or
the rumbling of satanic  laughter. In any case, Woland was  laughing as he
glanced at Margarita and said:
     'Don't shout in the mountains, he's accustomed to avalanches anyway,
and it won't rouse him. You don't  need to ask for him,  Margarita, because
the one he so yearns to talk with has already asked for him.'

STeLLa ;) :P :-[

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Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2009, 08:02:09 AM »
This has got to be the most long winded, boring post ever. :-\

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Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2009, 08:36:43 AM »
Which one and why? Elaborate from your stand point of view

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« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2009, 09:01:04 AM »
There are some books that refuse to be written. They stand their ground year after year and will not be persuaded. It isn't because the book is not there and worth being written -- it is only because the right form of the story does not present itself. There is only one right form for a story and if you fail to find that form the story will not tell itself.

I notice that you use plain, simple language, short words and brief sentences. That is the way to write English -  Stick to it; don't let fluff and flowers and verbosity creep in. When you catch an adjective, kill it. No, I don't mean utterly, but kill most of them - then the rest will be valuable. They weaken when they are close together. They give strength when they are wide apart. An adjective habit, or a wordy, diffuse, flowery habit, once fastened upon a person, is as hard to get rid of as any other vice.

To get the right word in the right place is a rare achievement. To condense the diffused light of a page of thought into the luminous flash of a single sentence, is worthy to rank as a prize composition just by itself...Anybody can have ideas--the difficulty is to express them without squandering a quire of paper on an idea that ought to be reduced to one glittering paragraph.

ie -on your next post..make it interesting, fun to read and short to encourage other to actually WANT to read it.

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Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2009, 12:06:55 PM »
There are some books that refuse to be written. They stand their ground year after year and will not be persuaded. It isn't because the book is not there and worth being written -- it is only because the right form of the story does not present itself. There is only one right form for a story and if you fail to find that form the story will not tell itself.

I notice that you use plain, simple language, short words and brief sentences. That is the way to write English -  Stick to it; don't let fluff and flowers and verbosity creep in. When you catch an adjective, kill it. No, I don't mean utterly, but kill most of them - then the rest will be valuable. They weaken when they are close together. They give strength when they are wide apart. An adjective habit, or a wordy, diffuse, flowery habit, once fastened upon a person, is as hard to get rid of as any other vice.

To get the right word in the right place is a rare achievement. To condense the diffused light of a page of thought into the luminous flash of a single sentence, is worthy to rank as a prize composition just by itself...Anybody can have ideas--the difficulty is to express them without squandering a quire of paper on an idea that ought to be reduced to one glittering paragraph.

ie -on your next post..make it interesting, fun to read and short to encourage other to actually WANT to read it.


There are people with exceptional intelligence who do not grasp many things which are understood even by some stupid people. Everything abstract, everything belonging to the domain of thought and feeling, are to them boring and incomprehensible. In fact, it's the natural human lot: if one is not mistaken in the main, one is mistaken in the details. Nobody knows the real truth and we are not governing anything would it not be more correct to think that we are governed by someone else entirely - i.e. GOD.


 Now kindly consider the question -
 If there is no God, then, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth? IF you think you decide or govern your fate may I ask - how you can govern if you are not only deprived of the opportunity of making a plan for at least some ridiculously short period - say, a thousand years - but you cannot even vouch for your own tomorrow and generally you're unable to say what you're going to do this same evening?

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« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2009, 01:11:20 PM »
There are people with exceptional intelligence who do not grasp many things which are understood even by some stupid people. Everything abstract, everything belonging to the domain of thought and feeling, are to them boring and incomprehensible. In fact, it's the natural human lot: if one is not mistaken in the main, one is mistaken in the details. Nobody knows the real truth and we are not governing anything would it not be more correct to think that we are governed by someone else entirely - i.e. GOD.


 Now kindly consider the question -
 If there is no God, then, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth? IF you think you decide or govern your fate may I ask - how you can govern if you are not only deprived of the opportunity of making a plan for at least some ridiculously short period - say, a thousand years - but you cannot even vouch for your own tomorrow and generally you're unable to say what you're going to do this same evening?


I think you've drank to much Jesus juice bro.
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« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2009, 02:38:51 PM »
There are people with exceptional intelligence who do not grasp many things which are understood even by some stupid people. Everything abstract, everything belonging to the domain of thought and feeling, are to them boring and incomprehensible. In fact, it's the natural human lot: if one is not mistaken in the main, one is mistaken in the details. Nobody knows the real truth and we are not governing anything would it not be more correct to think that we are governed by someone else entirely - i.e. GOD.


 Now kindly consider the question -
 If there is no God, then, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth? IF you think you decide or govern your fate may I ask - how you can govern if you are not only deprived of the opportunity of making a plan for at least some ridiculously short period - say, a thousand years - but you cannot even vouch for your own tomorrow and generally you're unable to say what you're going to do this same evening?


I never implied that I disagree with this though process, in fact I like how your first paragraph is written. I believe in God and all he purposes...all I was saying is sometimes you'll have to shorten ..and even sometime "dumb it down" if you want everyone to read a post.

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Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2009, 10:06:41 PM »
I never implied that I disagree with this. I believe in God

Yeah Irish bandit.

 There are just people not weighed down by any stores of knowledge, but only lightly sprinkled with information of a sort Discovery channel/Google/Animal planet or Hollywood flicks

 In the first place, they say that suffering leads man to perfection; and in the second, if mankind really learns to alleviate its sufferings with pills and drops, it will completely abandon religion and philosophy, in which it has hitherto found not merely protection from all sorts of trouble, but even happiness.