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So I researched and it seems 200mg a week is upper standard dose.
But what are the acceptable doses? I feel that if he tries offerin under 100mg I will just turn it down.
What should I accept? Is 100 okay or must I demand 200mg?
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you're very hanged up on the dosage and are not approaching this as an actual therapy, instead getting stuck thinking like a gym rat, which leads me to believe that you dont actually need TRT you are just looking for a legal source. If thats not the case, I apologize, but I still emphasize your one track thinking.
There is no "right" dose for TRT, thats why you take multiple blood tests and work with your doctor about your symptoms and bloodwork. This is all stuff you should be talking and discussing with your DOCTOR, not drug abusing morons on the internet, myself included.
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This TRT business is all just people wanting to get swole.
Only a very small % of men actually need TRT.
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100mg/week test cyp here bloodwork test me in the 500 range Thursday mornings after Sunday night injection. But also defective pituitary empty sella syndrome. Took years to figure it out because my dumbass didn’t want to shell out $$$ for MRI.
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This TRT business is all just people wanting to get swole.
Only a very small % of men actually need TRT.
Hmm, I guess it would depend on your definition of “need”.
Femenists want us to have low T, that’s a fact! Biologically it makes sense for a mans test levels to drop as he gets older. But we aren’t cavemen anymore so if we are older and still want to having a working dick, feel better, and maintymuscle mass then why not? There are probably sides but there are numerous health benefits. For example Kaiser Permante did a study and the men on trt in the study had a 30% lower rates of cardiac events compared to participants not on test.
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you're very hanged up on the dosage and are not approaching this as an actual therapy, instead getting stuck thinking like a gym rat, which leads me to believe that you dont actually need TRT you are just looking for a legal source. If thats not the case, I apologize, but I still emphasize your one track thinking.
There is no "right" dose for TRT, thats why you take multiple blood tests and work with your doctor about your symptoms and bloodwork. This is all stuff you should be talking and discussing with your DOCTOR, not drug abusing morons on the internet, myself included.
You are half right. ;D
While I am in my late 30s, I have zero interest in being big like a bodybuilder like I thought was cool in my 20s. However I wouldn’t mind some help in making sure my workouts are productive and assist with keeping muscle and getting leaner.
Overall I just want to feel better and enjoy the health benefits. I guess my concern with rose is that I don’t want them to give me a shitty little dose that barely is above I produce naturally. I actually want to feel better and get some health benefits.
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Hmm, I guess it would depend on your definition of “need”.
Femenists want us to have low T, that’s a fact! Biologically it makes sense for a mans test levels to drop as he gets older. But we aren’t cavemen anymore so if we are older and still want to having a working dick, feel better, and maintymuscle mass then why not? There are probably sides but there are numerous health benefits. For example Kaiser Permante did a study and the men on trt in the study had a 30% lower rates of cardiac events compared to participants not on test.
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So I researched and it seems 200mg a week is upper standard dose.
But what are the acceptable doses? I feel that if he tries offerin under 100mg I will just turn it down.
What should I accept? Is 100 okay or must I demand 200mg?
Normally in Europe the protocol is approx 125 mg per week.
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Hmm, I guess it would depend on your definition of “need”.
Femenists want us to have low T, that’s a fact! Biologically it makes sense for a mans test levels to drop as he gets older. But we aren’t cavemen anymore so if we are older and still want to having a working dick, feel better, and maintymuscle mass then why not? There are probably sides but there are numerous health benefits. For example Kaiser Permante did a study and the men on trt in the study had a 30% lower rates of cardiac events compared to participants not on test.
TRT is not for your dick. In fact it makes your testes go dormant and stop producign T. The opposite of what you want.
A limp dick is due to poor blood circulation. For this problem the drug is Viagra or similar.
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TRT is not for your dick. In fact it makes your testes go dormant and stop producign T. The opposite of what you want.
A limp dick is due to poor blood circulation. For this problem the drug is Viagra or similar.
This is misunderstood! Of course exogenous Test shuts you down but it makes you hornier if you had low levels before and test is the absolute best to do that. Viagra is a temporary fix and the more we can stay away from other medicines the better.
A limp dick can have many reasons. One is poor blood circulation but that indicates something is wrong with you physically. For normal functioning men with low natural test production TRT will make them hornier and feel better. Why snack on pills every time you are having sex when TRT is permanently in your body and will make you perform like in your 20's.
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Prescribed sustenon 250 in my country, for trt purposes, is one ampoul every 2 to 3 weeks.
Testex elmu prolongatum (250mg cypionate), for trt porpuses, is one ampoul, every 2 to 3 weeks.
Nebido (a gram of test undecanoate), is used in one shot every 10 to 14 weeks.
Testoviron Depot (250mg): every 2-3 weeks or, for "enough" trt levels, every 3-4 weeks. In some cases, one shot every 6 weeks, is enough to allow the patient to have a normal life.
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Prescribed sustenon 250 in my country, for trt purposes, is one ampoul every 2 to 3 weeks.
Testex elmu prolongatum (250mg cypionate), for trt porpuses, is one ampoul, every 2 to 3 weeks.
Nebido (a gram of test undecanoate), is used in one shot every 10 to 14 weeks.
Testoviron Depot (250mg): every 2-3 weeks or, for "enough" trt levels, every 3-4 weeks. In some cases, one shot every 6 weeks, is enough to allow the patient to have a normal life.
are any steroids or ephedrin/uppers legally available otc in portugal ?
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are any steroids or ephedrin/uppers legally available otc in portugal ?
Ephedrin no. I believe clenbuterol is unavailable also. Regarding hormones there is, with medical prescription, testoviron, nebido, proviron. Pregnyl is also unavailable. I believe dufine (clomid) is still available.
Testex is from spain, it has never been sold here.
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Fact: low testosterone is linked with increased cardiovascular events
TRT doses are absolutely safe on all organs
I worked at a common nationwide TRT clinic as an RN doing injections allllll day
They start everyone on 150mg per week and aim to get blood levels between 600-800, either upping/lowering the next dose
Small number of guys will take 0.5mg per week of adex
TRT is safe. But the key word here is “replacement”
Most guys would feel great after beginning treatment but then get caught up in their testing numbers on paper and would think they could tell a difference between for example 685 and 700 and would push to up the dose wanting to “get their moneys worth”
I treated a lot of weirdos at that clinic but the benefits and safety of TRT has been supported over and over and I saw many lives improved. Energy and sleep were the most reported benefits
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Fact: low testosterone is linked with increased cardiovascular events
TRT doses are absolutely safe on all organs
I worked at a common nationwide TRT clinic as an RN doing injections allllll day
They start everyone on 150mg per week and aim to get blood levels between 600-800, either upping/lowering the next dose
Small number of guys will take 0.5mg per week of adex
TRT is safe. But the key word here is “replacement”
Most guys would feel great after beginning treatment but then get caught up in their testing numbers on paper and would think they could tell a difference between for example 685 and 700 and would push to up the dose wanting to “get their moneys worth”
I treated a lot of weirdos at that clinic but the benefits and safety of TRT has been supported over and over and I saw many lives improved. Energy and sleep were the most reported benefits
Doesn't arimidex cause harmfull changes in bloob lipid levels or cholesterol?
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This is misunderstood! Of course exogenous Test shuts you down but it makes you hornier if you had low levels before and test is the absolute best to do that. Viagra is a temporary fix and the more we can stay away from other medicines the better.
A limp dick can have many reasons. One is poor blood circulation but that indicates something is wrong with you physically. For normal functioning men with low natural test production TRT will make them hornier and feel better. Why snack on pills every time you are having sex when TRT is permanently in your body and will make you perform like in your 20's.
what the guy you quoted said was correct.
If you have sexual desire but cannot get or maintain an erection - as most men with ED do - thats because the blood supply is poor and you should be REALLY REALLY CONCERNED because you've probably got a cardiac event in the near future. And its the elephant in the room - ED is very common in the steroid and TRT community, a cursory search of terms will dispel you of the illusion that everyone is rocking a piece of steel from using testosterone.
TRT wont fix that. Thats WHY those men take viagra or cialis. Those drugs dont do shit for sexual drive, nothing at all, it is a common myth. They work by increasing the blood supply to the penis vie PDE5 inhibition.
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Fact: low testosterone is linked with increased cardiovascular events
TRT doses are absolutely safe on all organs
I worked at a common nationwide TRT clinic as an RN doing injections allllll day
They start everyone on 150mg per week and aim to get blood levels between 600-800, either upping/lowering the next dose
Small number of guys will take 0.5mg per week of adex
TRT is safe. But the key word here is “replacement”
Most guys would feel great after beginning treatment but then get caught up in their testing numbers on paper and would think they could tell a difference between for example 685 and 700 and would push to up the dose wanting to “get their moneys worth”
I treated a lot of weirdos at that clinic but the benefits and safety of TRT has been supported over and over and I saw many lives improved. Energy and sleep were the most reported benefits
Good post. People don’t understand trt is good for you. What is bad for you is low test or Dallas Mccarver doses.
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what the guy you quoted said was correct.
If you have sexual desire but cannot get or maintain an erection - as most men with ED do - thats because the blood supply is poor and you should be REALLY REALLY CONCERNED because you've probably got a cardiac event in the near future. And its the elephant in the room - ED is very common in the steroid and TRT community, a cursory search of terms will dispel you of the illusion that everyone is rocking a piece of steel from using testosterone.
TRT wont fix that. Thats WHY those men take viagra or cialis. Those drugs dont do shit for sexual drive, nothing at all, it is a common myth. They work by increasing the blood supply to the penis vie PDE5 inhibition.
blood supply isn't the only cause, another one that guys miss is test to estrogen ratio. Once when I overdid the AI I had limp dick problems (with normal sex drive). I cut out the AI and dick returned to normal.
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Fact: low testosterone is linked with increased cardiovascular events
TRT doses are absolutely safe on all organs
I worked at a common nationwide TRT clinic as an RN doing injections allllll day
They start everyone on 150mg per week and aim to get blood levels between 600-800, either upping/lowering the next dose
Small number of guys will take 0.5mg per week of adex
TRT is safe. But the key word here is “replacement”
Most guys would feel great after beginning treatment but then get caught up in their testing numbers on paper and would think they could tell a difference between for example 685 and 700 and would push to up the dose wanting to “get their moneys worth”
I treated a lot of weirdos at that clinic but the benefits and safety of TRT has been supported over and over and I saw many lives improved. Energy and sleep were the most reported benefits
Have you ever think about Prostate Enlargement due to Trt?
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I never had patients report prostate issues. From the research I have done there is link to prostate enlargement but not prostate cancer with TRT. TRT is even safe for prostate cancer patients
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I never had patients report prostate issues. From the research I have done there is link to prostate enlargement but not prostate cancer with TRT. TRT is even safe for prostate cancer patients
Why the European medici are so against trt?
Money?
Lack of Knowledge?
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Why the European medici are so against trt?
Money?
Lack of Knowledge?
Lack of reliable studies. Assuming that low test levels is a normal occurrance with aging. Funny that old bitches can get estrogen trt.
Most endochrinologists here (Portugal), face male hormones like opening a pandora box.
If a doctor prescribe me testosterone (at 42yo), just because i have low levels, he risks losing his medical practice, if i get prostate issues or a heart attack.
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1 gram at least.
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Usually here (in Scandinavia) it's one sustanon every three weeks. Most docs won't even talk about trt here. I have a great doc and i told him i think i need one sustanon 250 every ten days (after many drawn bloods). That got me into 400-500 range then my doc wrote an "open rx" basically use at your own discretion now i take one sustanon 250 every eight days and i'm in the 700 range and finally feel good. *i have to say that i have other issues besides low t (from using roids at 20...) and T is pretty much the only thing that helps me keep my other symptoms at bay. In any case sust is the only viable product option here. In general i'd say 150-200mg cyp per week is decent. (cyp or ena isn't legally available here and creams are shit).
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Lack of reliable studies. Assuming that low test levels is a normal occurrance with aging. Funny that old bitches can get estrogen trt.
Most endochrinologists here (Portugal), face male hormones like opening a pandora box.
If a doctor prescribe me testosterone (at 42yo), just because i have low levels, he risks losing his medical practice, if i get prostate issues or a heart attack.
That's ridiculous
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Lack of reliable studies. Assuming that low test levels is a normal occurrance with aging. Funny that old bitches can get estrogen trt.
Most endochrinologists here (Portugal), face male hormones like opening a pandora box.
If a doctor prescribe me testosterone (at 42yo), just because i have low levels, he risks losing his medical practice, if i get prostate issues or a heart attack.
What a difference with US...
But everything in US is also commercial.
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IMO and experience, 200mg/week put my levels just past "high-normal" around 1000 and the Clinic wanted them to be 600-800 tops. So they cut my dosage back just a bit. This was a year ago when I was still at the male clinic, but for financial reasons, I'm doing it on my own now.
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Doesn't TRT doses on the "high side" makes your blood thicker? To dangerous levels?
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Doesn't TRT doses on the "high side" makes your blood thicker? To dangerous levels?
Dont be stupid, donate blood.
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So I researched and it seems 200mg a week is upper standard dose.
But what are the acceptable doses? I feel that if he tries offerin under 100mg I will just turn it down.
What should I accept? Is 100 okay or must I demand 200mg?
Your blood work will dictate where you need to be at optimnally..... NOT the TRT dose. Medical TRT doses range from 100mg/wk to 400mg/wk believe it or not.
So, get your doc to agree that you need to be at say 900 total test. Start at 100mg, get bloods done in 4 weeks, and adjust from there... thats how it works.
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Your blood work will dictate where you need to be at optimnally..... NOT the TRT dose. Medical TRT doses range from 100mg/wk to 400mg/wk believe it or not.
So, get your doc to agree that you need to be at say 900 total test. Start at 100mg, get bloods done in 4 weeks, and adjust from there... thats how it works.
Agreed.
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1 gram weekly.................. ........................ .at least.
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1 gram weekly.................. ........................ .at least.
yeah, but for how long :D
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Dont be stupid, donate blood.
Hormonized blood cannot be used in medical care.
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Hormonized blood cannot be used in medical care.
I don’t care what they do with it. I donate several times a year and they’re happy to have it. I’m at 5 gallons so far.
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yeah, but for how long :D
Six months so far and my bloodwork is perfect.
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Just an update... so you have an idea on real world doses but my dose is being adjusted from 100mg to 75mg weekly never had any hemoglobin/hematocrit elevation.
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So I researched and it seems 200mg a week is upper standard dose.
But what are the acceptable doses? I feel that if he tries offerin under 100mg I will just turn it down.
What should I accept? Is 100 okay or must I demand 200mg?
Your focus on dosage is not the most ideal way to approach this topic.
"TRT" is testosterone REPLACEMENT therapy and implies that the patient has endogenous test levels that are below the normal range. In a later post you stated that you are in your thirties, and don't indicate that you have had blood work that confirms a hypogonadal state. If your interest is in bumping up your test level to a supraphysiologic range well, then, that's called a cycle. If your test levels are presently within the normal range and you are not interested in looking like a bodybuilder (which you later state), then you would do yourself a disservice by going on a low dose of test (100-200mg, for example) because it will indeed shut off your own endogenous test production to keep you in a range you were achieving naturally anyway.
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My prescribed TRT is....
100mg of Cyp every 5 days for 20 weeks.
During that time I donate blood every few weeks.
Keep the diet clean.
Up the healthy fats. Lower the carbs. Avoid bread.
Incorporate 20-30 min of post workout cardio. Train hard.
Caber at 0.5mg every 10 days.
200mg of DIM daily.
Little to no booze.
Avoid anything and everything containing soy including protein powder.
Very little dairy if any.
Still making gains. Still feel good.
Then I come OFF for 10 weeks.
I run Arimistane at 50mg for 4 weeks.
Lighten up on the training. More of a volume style pump approach.
A little more loose on the diet. Treat myself a little.
Train every other day.
I feel fine. Plenty of time to heal from the injections and it lets my body sort of
remember how to re-wire itself all over again.
No donating blood during this time.
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Pretty hard to get TRT (legally) down under here in Australia, but I know an endocrinologist who has been known to prescribe 200mg of testosterone cypionate to guys who fall within the low range (not necessarily the low enough to be government subsidised range).
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Pretty hard to get TRT (legally) down under here in Australia, but I know an endocrinologist who has been known to prescribe 200mg of testosterone cypionate to guys who fall within the low range (not necessarily the low enough to be government subsidised range).
200mg's is a generous trt script. You can use half of that amount most of the year, yet keep refilling it on time. You'll have more than enough then to run a really good blast/cycle once per year all with legit pharm grade cyp.
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Regarding donating blood in order to fix it's thickning, one might get another medical issue that is excess iron in the body, hemochromatosis, due to the body need to compensate the constant loss of iron.
If not really needed, i would advise on not play with hormones at all.
Didn't the big mentor of TRT just died a week ago, at a very young age?
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Didn't the big mentor of TRT just died a week ago, at a very young age?
Donating blood every 8 weeks will not cause other medical issues.
Taking TRT doses when not having Low-T is a totally different story than taking TRT when having low-T. Low-T causes multiple issues that cascade through the body's hormonal system and can lead to greater issues. If you ACTUALLY do have Low-T, then you are doing yourself and your body a longer term favor by getting on TRT.
Using Matt (if thats who you are referring to) as an example for the risks of TRT is not only inaccurate, but rather cruel and just plain inappropriate. You don't know the entire circumstances surrounding his passing, although he was open about past AAS abuse and family history. Suggest you show more respect to a guy that was respected and very well liked across the board. His spirit doesnt deserve such snide and rude references.
TRT for those with low-T is safe when monitored by your doctor - plain, simple, true.
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Lack of reliable studies. Assuming that low test levels is a normal occurrance with aging. Funny that old bitches can get estrogen trt.
Most endochrinologists here (Portugal), face male hormones like opening a pandora box.
If a doctor prescribe me testosterone (at 42yo), just because i have low levels, he risks losing his medical practice, if i get prostate issues or a heart attack.
All he has to do is bloodwork and adjust from there. Ridiculous.
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So I researched and it seems 200mg a week is upper standard dose.
But what are the acceptable doses? I feel that if he tries offerin under 100mg I will just turn it down.
What should I accept? Is 100 okay or must I demand 200mg?
I do 100 mg a week, keps me in high noraml. Did 250 a week and ran bloods and I was at 1700, too high for me.
(anxious, libido too high, etc).
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It's normal for hematocrit/hemoglobin to go up when taking testosterone. There is very little evidence supporting that higher levels of these cause any cardiovascular risk.
This is considered erythrocytosis and is harmless. It is only if you develop a clotting issue with that, which is called polycythemia Vera, that you need to be concerned.
If it was a concern many people in high altitudes would be giving blood regularly and dropping dead.
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I do 100 mg a week, keps me in high noraml. Did 250 a week and ran bloods and I was at 1700, too high for me.
(anxious, libido too high, etc).
What else to you take? Supps, AI's, etc. I too am on 100 per week. I am 46 years old. I take fish oil and a multivitamin/mineral one a day. Was off AI's because I tanked my estrogen. This past week my nipps were a little sore and puffy so I took a mg of arimidex. Think it worked already.
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What else to you take? Supps, AI's, etc. I too am on 100 per week. I am 46 years old. I take fish oil and a multivitamin/mineral one a day. Was off AI's because I tanked my estrogen. This past week my nipps were a little sore and puffy so I took a mg of arimidex. Think it worked already.
Have you had your hormones tested while on the 100mg's? Your estridol E2 would need to be pretty high to cause gyno symptoms.
The problem with AI's on such a low dose is when you stop the AI you will spike E2. Nolvadex - a SERM would be a better choice at this point to control your gyno symptoms.
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Have you had your hormones tested while on the 100mg's? Your estridol E2 would need to be pretty high to cause gyno symptoms.
The problem with AI's on such a low dose is when you stop the AI you will spike E2. Nolvadex - a SERM would be a better choice at this point to control your gyno symptoms.
Thank you Sir Walter. Actually, someone else suggested raloxifene. Just curious as to why one would be better than the other?
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Thank you Sir Walter. Actually, someone else suggested raloxifene. Just curious as to why one would be better than the other?
AIs are the best way to manage E2 during steroid cycles and may minimize the development of gyno. SERMs are the best way to prevent/treat gyno during steroid cycles but will do nothing to manage E2 levels.
The key is understanding the pharmacology of an AI vs a SERM and this link has a good analogy. In your case you were dealing with a spike so best to go after the gyno symptom directly vs hitting your E2 hard again which could cause yet another spike.
https://roidvisor.com/best-drug-prevent-treat-gyno-answer-may-surprise-you/
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Tried 200mg a week of TRT cyp. Put my levels way too high. Total test was 1500+ and free test was 50+. Trying 150 mg a week and retesting it.
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Tried 200mg a week of TRT cyp. Put my levels way too high. Total test was 1500+ and free test was 50+. Trying 150 mg a week and retesting it.
100 works great for me. Curious to see where 150 puts you.
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100 works great for me. Curious to see where 150 puts you.
Doing blood again in 2 weeks. I'll post the results. Before TRT my total test was 1005 which is really high for a 36 year old but free was only 12. I have super high SHBG which binds up all my test. Hopped on TRT and feel and look a lot better.
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Masteron will lower SHBG
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AIs are the best way to manage E2 during steroid cycles and may minimize the development of gyno. SERMs are the best way to prevent/treat gyno during steroid cycles but will do nothing to manage E2 levels.
The key is understanding the pharmacology of an AI vs a SERM and this link has a good analogy. In your case you were dealing with a spike so best to go after the gyno symptom directly vs hitting your E2 hard again which could cause yet another spike.
https://roidvisor.com/best-drug-prevent-treat-gyno-answer-may-surprise-you/
100% factual!
Even with E2 in check, you can still develop gyno.... heavy abuse of Tren is a perfect example of progesteron induced gyno which cant be stopped with an AI like Arimidex.
Ive found Nolvadex to help out tremendously when things start to flare up... only caveat is that Nolva can kill strength and size gains if used for too long, but thats easy to mitigate and a much better issue to have than glandular growth under the nippies
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100% factual!
Even with E2 in check, you can still develop gyno.... heavy abuse of Tren is a perfect example of progesteron induced gyno which cant be stopped with an AI like Arimidex.
Ive found Nolvadex to help out tremendously when things start to flare up... only caveat is that Nolva can kill strength and size gains if used for too long, but thats easy to mitigate and a much better issue to have than glandular growth under the nippies
Good info!!
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Did my blood work again. I'm on 150 mg of test every week now. I break it up into two shots a week. Monday morning and Thursday afternoon. I had my blood drawn Thursday morning. Total test was again 1500+ and free test was 38.6+. So i didn't get an exact reading on either. My estradiol sensitivity was 22.6. I was taking .25 mg of arimidex twice a week. When I did blood work the first time, i was on .50mg of arimidex twice a week and my estradioal was 13.3. I stopped taking Arimidex all together last week. I feel like I don't need it.
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Did my blood work again. I'm on 150 mg of test every week now. I break it up into two shots a week. Monday morning and Thursday afternoon. I had my blood drawn Thursday morning. Total test was again 1500+ and free test was 38.6+. So i didn't get an exact reading on either. My estradiol sensitivity was 22.6. I was taking .25 mg of arimidex twice a week. When I did blood work the first time, i was on .50mg of arimidex twice a week and my estradioal was 13.3. I stopped taking Arimidex all together last week. I feel like I don't need it.
Were you looking to lower your total test level? Often it takes up to three weeks or more after lowering the dose for it to show in bloods.
With a two to three day peak on test cyp you may have still been peaking when you did the bloodwork.
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So I researched and it seems 200mg a week is upper standard dose.
But what are the acceptable doses? I feel that if he tries offerin under 100mg I will just turn it down.
What should I accept? Is 100 okay or must I demand 200mg?
And if he does and you turn it down, where are you then? 0mg!
The dosage should be based on where your test levels are at.
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This TRT business is all just people wanting to get swole.
Only a very small % of men actually need TRT.
For those taking massive doses, you are right. However, testosterone also helps maintain lean muscle mass as opposed to geting fat. This is generally considered a healthy thing. The problem is most doctors are not well versed on this. -Best to see an endrochronologist. Currently, many doctors go by outdated charts which reduce testosterone levels as men age and maintain that this is the norm. If I remember correctly, for my age anything above 200 for total test is considered normal. This allows for a huge drop from the optimal 800 to 1,000 for young men. It is also normal to get old, weak, sick and evetually die. I, for one, am not ready to stop living meaning I want to be as healthy and vital as possible up until the day I die. What is wrong with that?
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My script is 200mg's per week. I don't need it. 100 has me over 1200 the next day and still over 700 on the 7th day.
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My script is 200mg's per week. I don't need it. 100 has me over 1200 the next day and still over 700 on the 7th day.
Is your Primary or Endo scripting you 200mg? You're smart to cut it to 100mg.
200mg is high for replacement.
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Is your Primary or Endo scripting you 200mg? You're smart to cut it to 100mg.
200mg is high for replacement.
Primary. Started at a trt clinic and once my primary saw my good labs, he was comfortable taking over. He's almost 70 and has been my doc for over 40 years. He delivered my brother and is more like a good friend/family member.
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Primary. Started at a trt clinic and once my primary saw my good labs, he was comfortable taking over. He's almost 70 and has been my doc for over 40 years. He delivered my brother and is more like a good friend/family member.
Is it West Ward test in 200mg vials?
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Is it West Ward test in 200mg vials?
Wells Pharmacy 200mg test cypionate 10ml bottles
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Were you looking to lower your total test level? Often it takes up to three weeks or more after lowering the dose for it to show in bloods.
With a two to three day peak on test cyp you may have still been peaking when you did the bloodwork.
I waited about 2.5 weeks before I re-tested. I'm looking to be around 1000-1200 total test. When you do think I should schedule blood work to get a more accurate number? I shoot Monday morning and Thursday afternoon. I was thinking testing Thursday morning before my shot would be the best, but maybe i'm wrong.
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I waited about 2.5 weeks before I re-tested. I'm looking to be around 1000-1200 total test. When you do think I should schedule blood work to get a more accurate number? I shoot Monday morning and Thursday afternoon. I was thinking testing Thursday morning before my shot would be the best, but maybe i'm wrong.
That's a good time with split dosing.
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got my blood work back. 42 year old, healthy. 190lbs. Was on 250/wk Test Cyp for a year. Test around 1300. All levels OK, except but as I expected, estrogen numbers were high at 50. Small amount of gyno, bad sex drive, for sides. Is there anything else to combat this besides taking more Anastrozole? I thought Nolva didn't help estrogen levels per se.
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I waited about 2.5 weeks before I re-tested. I'm looking to be around 1000-1200 total test. When you do think I should schedule blood work to get a more accurate number? I shoot Monday morning and Thursday afternoon. I was thinking testing Thursday morning before my shot would be the best, but maybe i'm wrong.
According to my doctor, a morning reading is more accurate since test levels fall throughout the day. I split the difference and have my blood draw done midday.
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got my blood work back. 42 year old, healthy. 190lbs. Was on 250/wk Test Cyp for a year. Test around 1300. All levels OK, except but as I expected, estrogen numbers were high at 50. Small amount of gyno, bad sex drive, for sides. Is there anything else to combat this besides taking more Anastrozole? I thought Nolva didn't help estrogen levels per se.
Is that 250 pharm grade? At 250 bayer amps or Galenica I was close to 3k. E2 was up but in line based on total test and no gyno symptoms. Is your 250 trt because that's a high dose for that.
This still holds true for you.
AIs are the best way to manage E2 during steroid cycles and may minimize the development of gyno. SERMs (nolva) are the best way to prevent/treat gyno during steroid cycles but will do nothing to manage E2 levels.
The key is understanding the pharmacology of an AI vs a SERM and this link has a good analogy.
https://roidvisor.com/best-drug-prevent-treat-gyno-answer-may-surprise-you/
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For those taking massive doses, you are right. However, testosterone also helps maintain lean muscle mass as opposed to geting fat. This is generally considered a healthy thing. The problem is most doctors are not well versed on this. -Best to see an endrochronologist. Currently, many doctors go by outdated charts which reduce testosterone levels as men age and maintain that this is the norm. If I remember correctly, for my age anything above 200 for total test is considered normal. This allows for a huge drop from the optimal 800 to 1,000 for young men. It is also normal to get old, weak, sick and evetually die. I, for one, am not ready to stop living meaning I want to be as healthy and vital as possible up until the day I die. What is wrong with that?
Prime,
You are the class of individuals for whom TRT is appropriate. You are 70+ years old.
I'm referring to 30-40 year olds who are on TRT.
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Is that 250 pharm grade? At 250 bayer amps or Galenica I was close to 3k. E2 was up but in line based on total test and no gyno symptoms. Is your 250 trt because that's a high dose for that.
This still holds true for you.
AIs are the best way to manage E2 during steroid cycles and may minimize the development of gyno. SERMs (nolva) are the best way to prevent/treat gyno during steroid cycles but will do nothing to manage E2 levels.
The key is understanding the pharmacology of an AI vs a SERM and this link has a good analogy.
https://roidvisor.com/best-drug-prevent-treat-gyno-answer-may-surprise-you/
The Cypionate was underground stuff, not pharma. However even when I was at the male clinic 2 years ago and on pharma grade Cyp my estrogen was always high, even though they did have me on oral Arimidex. I'm just prone to high estrogen conversion, which sucks. I appreciate the feedback and link!
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The Cypionate was underground stuff, not pharma. However even when I was at the male clinic 2 years ago and on pharma grade Cyp my estrogen was always high, even though they did have me on oral Arimidex. I'm just prone to high estrogen conversion, which sucks. I appreciate the feedback and link!
Try four day split. That way there is less test to aromatize to estradiol (E2) at its peak. Also make sure they are testing e2 vs total estrogen.
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Prime,
You are the class of individuals for whom TRT is appropriate. You are 70+ years old.
I'm referring to 30-40 year olds who are on TRT.
Which is probably why my doctor doesn't have a problem prescribing it. I take comfort in the fact that not only does he monitor my test levels he also is on top of my PSA, and hematocrit.
Did I ever mention that were it not for being on TRT, there's a strong possibility the prostate cancer wouldn't have been caught in the earliest of stages. I joined a prostate cancer group following the prostatectomy. The guy running the group and I were the only two men not dying from the disease. Interestingly enough, he also had a prostatectomy. Most of the other fellows chose radiation and/or chemo. In their cases, the cancer had metastasized because it was discovered later on.
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What is your humble opinion about TRT in relation with Haematocriet and Prostate enlargement (cancer)
Is is safe or not?
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What is your humble opinion about TRT in relation with Haematocriet and Prostate enlargement (cancer)
Is is safe or not?
According to my urologist TRT may contribute to a high hematocrit count. However, several other causes are just as likely.
1. Dehydration (heat exhaustion, no available source of fluids)
2. Low availability of oxygen (smoking, high altitude, pulmonary fibrosis)
3. Genetic (congenital heart diseases)
4. Erythrocytosis (over-production of red blood cells by the bone marrow or polycythemia vera)
5. Cor pulmonale (COPD, chronic sleep apnea, pulmonary embolisms)
According to the results of a recent study, testosterone treatment does not increase a man's risk of developing prostate cancer. In fact, new research suggests that this treatment may actually reduce the risk of aggressive prostate cancer.
https://moffitt.org/cancers/prostate-cancer/faqs/can-testosterone-replacement-therapy-increase-the-risk-of-prostate-cancer/
As I've mentioned before, had I not been on TRT, my prostate cancer might not have been detected as early on as it was. Doctors opinions vary regarding TRT's affect on prostate cancer. Some think that although it doesn't cause it, it can speed the progression of the cancer.
Hormone therapy for prostate cancer deprives cancer cells of the male hormones they need to grow. Prostate cancer hormone therapy is often used in combination with radiation and other therapies. We may use hormone therapy to shrink advanced prostate cancer tumors, so they can be treated with radiation.
https://www.cancercenter.com
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According to my urologist TRT may contribute to a high hematocrit count. However, several other causes are just as likely.
1. Dehydration (heat exhaustion, no available source of fluids)
2. Low availability of oxygen (smoking, high altitude, pulmonary fibrosis)
3. Genetic (congenital heart diseases)
4. Erythrocytosis (over-production of red blood cells by the bone marrow or polycythemia vera)
5. Cor pulmonale (COPD, chronic sleep apnea, pulmonary embolisms)
According to the results of a recent study, testosterone treatment does not increase a man's risk of developing prostate cancer. In fact, new research suggests that this treatment may actually reduce the risk of aggressive prostate cancer.
https://moffitt.org/cancers/prostate-cancer/faqs/can-testosterone-replacement-therapy-increase-the-risk-of-prostate-cancer/
As I've mentioned before, had I not been on TRT, my prostate cancer might not have been detected as early on as it was. Doctors opinions vary regarding TRT's affect on prostate cancer. Some think that although it doesn't cause it, it can speed the progression of the cancer.
Hormone therapy for prostate cancer deprives cancer cells of the male hormones they need to grow. Prostate cancer hormone therapy is often used in combination with radiation and other therapies. We may use hormone therapy to shrink advanced prostate cancer tumors, so they can be treated with radiation.
https://www.cancercenter.com
Well, everything is still al litlle obvious then. All are assumptions.
For example in the link you posted, the risks with trt such as ankle swolling, increase red bloodcells, heartstroke can also be serious.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3897047/
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Im currently off my "TRT" of 250mg/week Test Cyp home/self injections. It's more of an experiment to see how I feel and how my body reacts to going full natural. My question: IYO, Should I even go off? What's to gain? Or just stay on the low doses of Test forever like most TRT guys? 42 years old, 185, healthy. My small gyno did go away so that's been a plus, lol. Thanks!
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Well, everything is still al litlle obvious then. All are assumptions.
For example in the link you posted, the risks with trt such as ankle swolling, increase red bloodcells, heartstroke can also be serious.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3897047/
Everything we do, every choice we make, has it's pluses and minuses. It's up to each of us to stay informed and decide if the benefits outweigh the risks. Also, nothing is static. Assessments should be ongoing.
Since my hematocrit has started to climb, my doctor and I are being vigilant. Although it is still in the normal range, I've increased my fluid intake, which sometimes keeps hematocrit levels down. We'll see if it makes a difference when I next have labs done.
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Im currently off my "TRT" of 250mg/week Test Cyp home/self injections. It's more of an experiment to see how I feel and how my body reacts to going full natural. My question: IYO, Should I even go off? What's to gain? Or just stay on the low doses of Test forever like most TRT guys? 42 years old, 185, healthy. My small gyno did go away so that's been a plus, lol. Thanks!
Some guys are more susceptible to developing gyno with or without TRT. I'm fortunate in that I am not one of them. Whether you stay on TRT forever or not depends on the reason you're on it and how your body reacts to it. Do you have a doctor or are you doing this on your own?
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Everything we do, every choice we make, has it's pluses and minuses. It's up to each of us to stay informed and decide if the benefits outweigh the risks. Also, nothing is static. Assessments should be ongoing.
Since my hematocrit has started to climb, my doctor and I are being vigilant. Although it is still in the normal range, I've increased my fluid intake, which sometimes keeps hematocrit levels down. We'll see if it makes a difference when I next have labs done.
Maybe it is an option for you to donate a few times a year redbloodcells? It will keep you're hematocrit at certain level.
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Maybe it is an option for you to donate a few times a year redbloodcells? It will keep you're hematocrit at certain level.
Yes, donating blood is an excellent idea.
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Some guys are more susceptible to developing gyno with or without TRT. I'm fortunate in that I am not one of them. Whether you stay on TRT forever or not depends on the reason you're on it and how your body reacts to it. Do you have a doctor or are you doing this on your own?
To be honest, I'm mainly on it because of the gym, lol. Looking a bit better running some Test, and feel better because I "look" a little bigger/better. It's such a mind thing though. And no, no doctor right now as I'm doing it myself.
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To be honest, I'm mainly on it because of the gym, lol. Looking a bit better running some Test, and feel better because I "look" a little bigger/better. It's such a mind thing though. And no, no doctor right now as I'm doing it myself.
Yes, it's all in your head.
People, as a rule, are self-absorbed. Nobody but you gives two sh*ts about you.
It's all for mirror gazing at yourself.
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Yes, it's all in your head.
People, as a rule, are self-absorbed. Nobody but you gives two sh*ts about you.
It's all for mirror gazing at yourself.
I can't disagree, in my case. Others have said TRT makes them really feel better though. It is nice seeing the changes in the mirror though, lol. damn bodybuilding, ha. ;D
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I can't disagree, in my case. Others have said TRT makes them really feel better though. It is nice seeing the changes in the mirror though, lol. damn bodybuilding, ha. ;D
How do you feel off and did you do a PCT?
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Yes, it's all in your head.
People, as a rule, are self-absorbed. Nobody but you gives two sh*ts about you.
It's all for mirror gazing at yourself.
Yup, that's what I do....gaze at myself in the mirror. ;)
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I’m on TRT. The way I run it is like this....
100mg of CYP every 5 days.
I always go 20 weeks ON and 6 weeks OFF.
I don’t *have to* take 6 weeks off as I’m on TRT but my Doc agrees with me it’s a good idea.
Never a reason to up the dosage as I give myself time to clean out, reboot etc.
Sometimes I take 8-10 weeks off.
If I do my doctor gives me Clomid.
100mg daily for 5 days then 50mg daily for 3 weeks.
I simply alter my training in that time. More machines. A little lighter. More reps. More angles. Different exercise selection.
Never have any issues. Still make gains. Dick works fine. Libido is there.
Had Gyno surgery so all I ever run is 300mg of DIM while On and two weeks off.
Strength is always there up until Week 4. Then I wing it. Light. Pump.
Libido drops a little but it’s fine I can survive two weeks.
Donate blood a few times. Good to go.
Then I’m back ON and feel great.
Approach everything with strategy.
- Block!
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I’m on TRT. The way I run it is like this....
100mg of CYP every 5 days.
I always go 20 weeks ON and 6 weeks OFF.
I don’t *have to* take 6 weeks off as I’m on TRT but my Doc agrees with me it’s a good idea.
Never a reason to up the dosage as I give myself time to clean out, reboot etc.
Sometimes I take 8-10 weeks off.
If I do my doctor gives me Clomid.
100mg daily for 5 days then 50mg daily for 3 weeks.
I simply alter my training in that time. More machines. A little lighter. More reps. More angles. Different exercise selection.
Never have any issues. Still make gains. Dick works fine. Libido is there.
Had Gyno surgery so all I ever run is 300mg of DIM while On and two weeks off.
Strength is always there up until Week 4. Then I wing it. Light. Pump.
Libido drops a little but it’s fine I can survive two weeks.
Donate blood a few times. Good to go.
Then I’m back ON and feel great.
Approach everything with strategy.
- Block!
What's your age?
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What's your age?
41.
I believe taking time off even on doctor prescribed TRT is wise.
20 week On, 6 weeks Off is a good schedule IMO.
Like I said just alter your training a little, donate blood a couple times and
just wing it. It’s worth it.
Never a reason to need more or up the dosage.
Let your body physically heal from the injections.
Less is More. Think; Longterm > Right now.
- Block!
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I’m on TRT. The way I run it is like this....
100mg of CYP every 5 days.
I always go 20 weeks ON and 6 weeks OFF.
I don’t *have to* take 6 weeks off as I’m on TRT but my Doc agrees with me it’s a good idea.
Never a reason to up the dosage as I give myself time to clean out, reboot etc.
Sometimes I take 8-10 weeks off.
If I do my doctor gives me Clomid.
100mg daily for 5 days then 50mg daily for 3 weeks.
I simply alter my training in that time. More machines. A little lighter. More reps. More angles. Different exercise selection.
Never have any issues. Still make gains. Dick works fine. Libido is there.
Had Gyno surgery so all I ever run is 300mg of DIM while On and two weeks off.
Strength is always there up until Week 4. Then I wing it. Light. Pump.
Libido drops a little but it’s fine I can survive two weeks.
Donate blood a few times. Good to go.
Then I’m back ON and feel great.
Approach everything with strategy.
- Block!
Hey Block does your PCP do the prescribing etc?
Interesting approach.
Less is more for sure.
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I’m on TRT. The way I run it is like this....
100mg of CYP every 5 days.
I always go 20 weeks ON and 6 weeks OFF.
I don’t *have to* take 6 weeks off as I’m on TRT but my Doc agrees with me it’s a good idea.
Never a reason to up the dosage as I give myself time to clean out, reboot etc.
Sometimes I take 8-10 weeks off.
If I do my doctor gives me Clomid.
100mg daily for 5 days then 50mg daily for 3 weeks.
I simply alter my training in that time. More machines. A little lighter. More reps. More angles. Different exercise selection.
Never have any issues. Still make gains. Dick works fine. Libido is there.
Had Gyno surgery so all I ever run is 300mg of DIM while On and two weeks off.
Strength is always there up until Week 4. Then I wing it. Light. Pump.
Libido drops a little but it’s fine I can survive two weeks.
Donate blood a few times. Good to go.
Then I’m back ON and feel great.
Approach everything with strategy.
- Block!
I am intrigued by this. So, is it 20 weeks of injections followed by 2 weeks off before starting clomid? (To let the esters clear?)
Then 4 weeks of clomid?
Then right back on the test? Or then the time off? Or do you consider clomid the time off?
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Okay.
So I’ll break down what I do more clearly....
Test CYP: 100mg every 5 days for 20 weeks.
After 20 weeks I like to take 6 weeks OFF.
Reason: To reboot. Clean out. Receptor management.
In that 6 weeks OFF usually I come off clean. Or...
I ask my doctor for Clomid. He writes it...
100mg for 5 days and then 50mg 2.5 weeks.
In that time OFF I feel okay. First 3 weeks I feel the same. Boners,
texting hoes trynna turn them out. Still strong in the gym.
Week 4 is when I notice a slight drop in strength. I also notice I’m not
quick to text bitches and try to get them to come over. Meh!
At that point in the gym I use angles, more machines and higher reps.
Slightly weaker. Instead of using 315 on the incline press for 8 now I’m using
275 for 8. Now I employ drop sets etc...
Week 5 and 6 the same. Week 6 I’m a little lethargic. Telling chicks I’m busy at work
or working late. I’ll crank one out if anything to make sure I work. I do. Just need more
“warm up”.
I’m 41.
Also in that time I donate blood at least 3 times. Get my iron levels to 15.0
*Note: While ON...
My only estrogen management is 300mg of DIM daily.
I use it all 20 weeks and up to 2 weeks into my OFF time.
DIM makes my pee turn weird colors but it seems to help keep my skin clear.
Remember; On doctor prescribed TRT one doesn’t have to take time off.
I elect to because I’m smart and know the importance of receptor management.
My doctor agrees and approves, too.
Less is more. Slow and steady wins the race.
- Block!
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Okay.
So I’ll break down what I do more clearly....
Test CYP: 100mg every 5 days for 20 weeks.
After 20 weeks I like to take 6 weeks OFF.
Reason: To reboot. Clean out. Receptor management.
In that 6 weeks OFF usually I come off clean. Or...
I ask my doctor for Clomid. He writes it...
100mg for 5 days and then 50mg 2.5 weeks.
In that time OFF I feel okay. First 3 weeks I feel the same. Boners,
texting hoes trynna turn them out. Still strong in the gym.
Week 4 is when I notice a slight drop in strength. I also notice I’m not
quick to text bitches and try to get them to come over. Meh!
At that point in the gym I use angles, more machines and higher reps.
Slightly weaker. Instead of using 315 on the incline press for 8 now I’m using
275 for 8. Now I employ drop sets etc...
Week 5 and 6 the same. Week 6 I’m a little lethargic. Telling chicks I’m busy at work
or working late. I’ll crank one out if anything to make sure I work. I do. Just need more
“warm up”.
I’m 41.
Also in that time I donate blood at least 3 times. Get my iron levels to 15.0
*Note: While ON...
My only estrogen management is 300mg of DIM daily.
I use it all 20 weeks and up to 2 weeks into my OFF time.
DIM makes my pee turn weird colors but it seems to help keep my skin clear.
Remember; On doctor prescribed TRT one doesn’t have to take time off.
I elect to because I’m smart and know the importance of receptor management.
My doctor agrees and approves, too.
Less is more. Slow and steady wins the race.
- Block!
Why are you on TRT? Do you have low testosterone without it?
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Yep.
Low T. Years of running cycles. Being 40 + now. Life.
- Block!
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41.
I believe taking time off even on doctor prescribed TRT is wise.
20 week On, 6 weeks Off is a good schedule IMO.
Like I said just alter your training a little, donate blood a couple times and
just wing it. It’s worth it.
Never a reason to need more or up the dosage.
Let your body physically heal from the injections.
Less is More. Think; Longterm > Right now.
- Block!
How many years you are following mentioned protocol?
What my biggest doubt and question is is how are the results and the effects on somebody body after using TRT for many years.
I have never read it. curiously?
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How do you feel off and did you do a PCT?
honestly I feel exactly the same. No worse, no better. Keep in mind it's only been 4 weeks since my last shot. And yes I did run a Nolva/Clomid Peptide PCT.
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I’m on TRT. The way I run it is like this....
100mg of CYP every 5 days.
I always go 20 weeks ON and 6 weeks OFF.
I don’t *have to* take 6 weeks off as I’m on TRT but my Doc agrees with me it’s a good idea.
Never a reason to up the dosage as I give myself time to clean out, reboot etc.
Sometimes I take 8-10 weeks off.
If I do my doctor gives me Clomid.
100mg daily for 5 days then 50mg daily for 3 weeks.
I simply alter my training in that time. More machines. A little lighter. More reps. More angles. Different exercise selection.
Never have any issues. Still make gains. Dick works fine. Libido is there.
Had Gyno surgery so all I ever run is 300mg of DIM while On and two weeks off.
Strength is always there up until Week 4. Then I wing it. Light. Pump.
Libido drops a little but it’s fine I can survive two weeks.
Donate blood a few times. Good to go.
Then I’m back ON and feel great.
Approach everything with strategy.
- Block!
Awesome you're getting gains from such low doses. And thanks for your input.
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My doctor writes me for Test CYP (consistently) and Clomiphene (as needed).
This is 100mg every 5 days: Ol’ Block at Chicago ComicCon.
I don’t bother dieting. Nor do I do cardio. I like being gnarly.
- Block!
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My biggest doubts about TRT is the time during.
What's the impact to the body after being on TRT, for example 10 years?
There are no reviews of long term use TRT described?
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My doctor writes me for Test CYP (consistently) and Clomiphene (as needed).
This is 100mg every 5 days: Ol’ Block at Chicago ComicCon.
I don’t bother dieting. Nor do I do cardio. I like being gnarly.
- Block!
You can tell.
Muscles but fat.
30-40% bodyfat.
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:'(
- Block!
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My biggest doubts about TRT is the time during.
What's the impact to the body after being on TRT, for example 10 years?
There are no reviews of long term use TRT described?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5583373/
CONCLUSIONS
A large body of evidence has documented that sexual symptoms are the most specific correlates of T deficiency. TTh is able to improve all aspects of sexual function independent of the pathogenetic origin of the disease supporting the scientific demonstration that the so-called LOH does exist according to an “ex-juvantibus” criterion. Although the presence of metabolic derangements could mitigate the efficacy of TTh on ED, the positive effect of TTh on body composition and insulin sensitivity might counterbalance the lower efficacy. CV safety concerns related to TTh are essentially based on a limited number of observational and randomized controlled trials which present important methodological flaws. When HG is properly diagnosed and TTh correctly performed no CV and prostate risk have been documented.
Although this abstract is looking at late onset hypogonadism (LOH) it also uses 70 references to include CV and prostate risk.
In the end it's about use vs abuse. Work with your dr, have regular bloodwork, monitor your BP and stay within range.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5583373/
CONCLUSIONS
A large body of evidence has documented that sexual symptoms are the most specific correlates of T deficiency. TTh is able to improve all aspects of sexual function independent of the pathogenetic origin of the disease supporting the scientific demonstration that the so-called LOH does exist according to an “ex-juvantibus” criterion. Although the presence of metabolic derangements could mitigate the efficacy of TTh on ED, the positive effect of TTh on body composition and insulin sensitivity might counterbalance the lower efficacy. CV safety concerns related to TTh are essentially based on a limited number of observational and randomized controlled trials which present important methodological flaws. When HG is properly diagnosed and TTh correctly performed no CV and prostate risk have been documented.
Although this abstract is looking at late onset hypogonadism (LOH) it also uses 70 references to include CV and prostate risk.
In the end it's about use vs abuse. Work with your dr, have regular bloodwork, monitor your BP and stay within range.
This is exactly right. I've been on TRT for more than ten years, always under the care and advice of my urologist who requires regular blood work, thank goodness. It was because of routine PSA testing that prostate cancer was detected while it was in the beginning stages 1 or 2 and totally encapsulated within the prostate. I've been in remission ever since the prostatectomy which was done more than 5 years ago. PSA remains undetectable.
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The youtuber 'How to Beast' has been on 200 mg TRT for 3 months and the difference in size and strength is really noticeable.
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The youtuber 'How to Beast' has been on 200 mg TRT for 3 months and the difference in size and strength is really noticeable.
200 is a cycle for me. Considering 100 gets me over 1200ng's.
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200 is a cycle for me. Considering 100 gets me over 1200ng's.
Dang you must be really sensitive. Good for you for getting a lot from a little.
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Dang you must be really sensitive. Good for you for getting a lot from a little.
The youtuber 'More Plates More Dates' says he uses 125 mg as TRT split between three injections a week.
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The youtuber 'More Plates More Dates' says he uses 125 mg as TRT split between three injections a week.
125 total? I inject every 5 days, I don't look forward to it much. 3 pins a week seems like a lot of pinning, lol.
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125 total? I inject every 5 days, I don't look forward to it much. 3 pins a week seems like a lot of pinning, lol.
I inject every Monday morning. The process doesn't bother me. Using a 22 gauge syringe helps ease the plunge into my upper thigh, alternating left or right each week. Filling the syringe is sometimes a little difficult. Warming the testosterone cypionate a little helps lower the viscosity.
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I inject every Monday morning. The process doesn't bother me. Using a 22 gauge syringe helps ease the plunge into my upper thigh, alternating left or right each week. Filling the syringe is sometimes a little difficult. Warming the testosterone cypionate a little helps lower the viscosity.
Are you nuts? I use 25g or slin pins. 22g is a fucking harpoon.
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Is HCG mandatory for TRT? Or does it cause more estrogen problems?
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Are you nuts? I use 25g or slin pins. 22g is a fucking harpoon.
Test cyp is thick. How are you able to fill a 25 gauge? Or do you use a "harpoon" to fill the syringe and a fine needle to pump it out? I used to fill the syringe with a 19 gauge and a 23 gauge to shoot it. Anyway, I'm a tough old bird. The 22 gauge doesn't bother me at all.
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Test cyp is thick. How are you able to fill a 25 gauge? Or do you use a "harpoon" to fill the syringe and a fine needle to pump it out? I used to fill the syringe with a 19 gauge and a 23 gauge to shoot it. Anyway, I'm a tough old bird. The 22 gauge doesn't bother me at all.
I pull with 23g and if using 25g to inject I just switch the needle. If I'm injecting with a slin pin I pull with 23g and back fill into the insulin syringe. Sometimes I run the barrel under hot water but it really doesn't make a huge difference. Shoot my tris with 29g and quads with 25g. You are a bad mf popping 22g into your quads.
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Are you nuts? I use 25g or slin pins. 22g is a fucking harpoon.
nah 22g is thin. Pretty painless. I pull with 19, push with 22.
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nah 22g is thin. Pretty painless. I pull with 19, push with 22.
What's thin and what's not is likely a matter of how you feel about injecting in the first place. Needles have never bothered me. I injected into my upper thigh this morning with the 22g and it was fine. One tiny spot of blood at the site is all. Sometimes there's not even that.
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Is HCG mandatory for TRT? Or does it cause more estrogen problems?
Not unless one is looking to preserve fertility over time.
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The only way to tell is by getting blood work. I suggest starting at 250 and going from there. In my opinion it does not hurt to keep your test levels slightly elevated as long as other values are not terribly affected.
I run 250-300mg per week for a cruise.
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This is exactly right. I've been on TRT for more than ten years, always under the care and advice of my urologist who requires regular blood work, thank goodness. It was because of routine PSA testing that prostate cancer was detected while it was in the beginning stages 1 or 2 and totally encapsulated within the prostate. I've been in remission ever since the prostatectomy which was done more than 5 years ago. PSA remains undetectable.
And now you are still on TRT?
Ah sorry, i did not read above posts. Yes you are..
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And now you are still on TRT?
Ah sorry, i did not read above posts. Yes you are..
Yes I am. And I hope to be on it for as long as it continues to make me feel healthier, both physically and mentally. TRT gets a bad name because of those folks who self dose and abuse it, making themselves sick.
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The only way to tell is by getting blood work. I suggest starting at 250 and going from there. In my opinion it does not hurt to keep your test levels slightly elevated as long as other values are not terribly affected.
I run 250-300mg per week for a cruise.
250 would be a cycle though. Isn't TRT in the range from 100 to 200 at the high end?
As mentioned earlier a Youtuber has been using 200 mg over 3 months and the differences are huge and very noticeable in how much more he can lift and how much more he has increased lean mass.
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For me, 250 is a cycle. We are all different though. Very few people need 250 for trt. I'm using 90 now with solid results.
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Yes I am. And I hope to be on it for as long as it continues to make me feel healthier, both physically and mentally. TRT gets a bad name because of those folks who self dose and abuse it, making themselves sick.
Did you check you're prostate before starting TRT?
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Did you check you're prostate before starting TRT?
It's pretty hard to accurately check one's own prostate gland. ;D But yes, I submitted to regular prostate exams from early adulthood on because I had a tendency to get prostatitis. Sometime during my middle age (30 something), my doctor prescribed Proscar because my prostate was enlarged. While I don't regret being on TRT, I wish I'd refused Proscar. It kills one's libido and contrary to what the doctor claimed, it didn't regrow hair on my bald head.
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It's pretty hard to accurately check one's own prostate gland. ;D But yes, I submitted to regular prostate exams from early adulthood on because I had a tendency to get prostatitis. Sometime during my middle age (30 something), my doctor prescribed Proscar because my prostate was enlarged. While I don't regret being on TRT, I wish I'd refused Proscar. It kills one's libido and contrary to what the doctor claimed, it didn't regrow hair on my bald head.
Yeahh i know Proscar. I used it 8 months 1 mg per dag (eliminating hair loss) and i got pain in my balls and some libido, mental issues.
I quitted directly with that shit.
Now i am shaving my head bald and it looks lot better. ;D
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Yeahh i know Proscar. I used it 8 months 1 mg per dag (eliminating hair loss) and i got pain in my balls and some libido, mental issues.
I quitted directly with that shit.
Now i am shaving my head bald and it looks lot better. ;D
Shaving one's head is easy, practical and inexpensive. -Been doing it for years.
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You guys are mad doing intramuscular TRT, just use insulin syringes, just pull the plunger out and rear load the syringe and then inject subcutaneous into the loose skin top of thigh or even glute skin, it takes awhile to go through but its easy and theres no discomfort, blood levels go exactly the same you can use less more frequently to better mimic your bodies own system, giving you a more consistent level. I have enough scarring from bodybuilding 20 years ago, i couldn't do IM for TRT, but then i never use more than .3 or .5 at a time meaning 60 -100mgs, thats real TRT dosage.
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You guys are mad doing intramuscular TRT, just use insulin syringes, just pull the plunger out and rear load the syringe and then inject subcutaneous into the loose skin top of thigh or even glute skin, it takes awhile to go through but its easy and theres no discomfort, blood levels go exactly the same you can use less more frequently to better mimic your bodies own system, giving you a more consistent level. I have enough scarring from bodybuilding 20 years ago, i couldn't do IM for TRT, but then i never use more than .3 or .5 at a time meaning 60 -100mgs, thats real TRT dosage.
Thanks for your informative post. I may give the insulin syringe a try. I'm not so much concerned about scarring as improving the comfort level. The idea of smaller, more frequent doses of test is also interesting. What frequency do you recommend? To replicate my current routine, approximately 200 mg a week, I'll need somewhere between 2 to 3 injections a week. Yesterday, using a 22 gauge syringe, I nicked a vein in my upper thigh. It stung. Now I have a small bruise/hematoma.
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If its 200mg per week try, 100mg per subcutaneous shot every 5 days, that will push you out to 200mg every ten days instead of 7, but 200mgs a week is pretty hight for TRT, in saying that Im always on the low side of normal but prefer to use as little as possible.
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Thanks for your informative post. I may give the insulin syringe a try. I'm not so much concerned about scarring as improving the comfort level. The idea of smaller, more frequent doses of test is also interesting. What frequency do you recommend? To replicate my current routine, approximately 200 mg a week, I'll need somewhere between 2 to 3 injections a week. Yesterday, using a 22 gauge syringe, I nicked a vein in my upper thigh. It stung. Now I have a small bruise/hematoma.
I think I've told you before that I have been using insulin needles on my triceps for a while now. I've even used them in my quads. Zero discomfort. Why don't you try 40mgs every other day for a while and see how your labs come out? You can rotate tri's, delts and quads and never hit the same muscle more than once every 12 days.
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I think I've told you before that I have been using insulin needles on my triceps for a while now. I've even used them in my quads. Zero discomfort. Why don't you try 40mgs every other day for a while and see how your labs come out? You can rotate tri's, delts and quads and never hit the same muscle more than once every 12 days.
I think I will take your advice. There's nothing to lose and much to gain..like no pain. Well, except that I recently purchased a full box of 22 gauge syringes. 40 mg would be a reduction over what I am currently doing. I might go with 50 mg. which is still lower than a weekly 200 mg. So, my labs should improve...maybe in regards to having slightly elevated hct. Not sue how I'll work in the two shots a week of HCG I'm presently doing on The two days prior to my usual test injection.
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I think I will take your advice. There's nothing to lose and much to gain..like no pain. Well, except that I recently purchased a full box of 22 gauge syringes. 40 mg would be a reduction over what I am currently doing. I might go with 50 mg. which is still lower than a weekly 200 mg. So, my labs should improve...maybe in regards to having slightly elevated hct. Not sue how I'll work in the two shots a week of HCG I'm presently doing on The two days prior to my usual test injection.
Check out Nelson Vergel on youtube. He does 2 shots per week via insulin needle. He puts the test and hcg in the same syringe. 40mg's of test mixed with 250iu's of hcg. Maybe put the hcg into every other injection of test?
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Check out Nelson Vergel on youtube. He does 2 shots per week via insulin needle. He puts the test and hcg in the same syringe. 40mg's of test mixed with 250iu's of hcg. Maybe put the hcg into every other injection of test?
Thanks. Good advice. I'll check his Youtube video out. I'm curious as to how mixing the two works. Wonder how or if it's necessary to work in the Arimidex. Despite photoshopped posts to the contrary, I don't have saggy tits. LOL.
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Thanks. Good advice. I'll check his Youtube video out. I'm curious as to how mixing the two works. Wonder how or if it's necessary to work in the Arimidex. Despite photoshopped posts to the contrary, I don't have saggy tits. LOL.
Prime, I wouldnt bother w/ Arim unless you do have gyno. Most TRT users never need to touch an AI. (And of course unless your estro was out of whack).
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Prime, I wouldnt bother w/ Arim unless you do have gyno. Most TRT users never need to touch an AI. (And of course unless your estro was out of whack).
It's not for gyno. It supposedly helps maintain libido and as we all know....wait for it.....I am sexual! ;D
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Check out Nelson Vergel on youtube. He does 2 shots per week via insulin needle. He puts the test and hcg in the same syringe. 40mg's of test mixed with 250iu's of hcg. Maybe put the hcg into every other injection of test?
Strange: Testosteron is oil based. You cannot use an insuline syringe....
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Strange: Testosteron is oil based. You cannot use an insuline syringe....
I do so every week without issue.
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It's not for gyno. It supposedly helps maintain libido and as we all know....wait for it.....I am sexual! ;D
Arimidex is worse for your body then Testosterone in my oppinion. I have experimented with taking arimidex while on TRT and lowering the dosage of TRT to where I was around 500ng/dl and didn't need arimidex also. I found I usually felt better with no arimidex and my lipids where way better to. Arimidex would make me lethargic alot of the time and I don't think it kept my estrogen in the range I thought it did even with blood tests.
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Watch Steven Devos' videos on youtube. Lightyears ahead of other TRT related channels.
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Arimidex is worse for your body then Testosterone in my oppinion. I have experimented with taking arimidex while on TRT and lowering the dosage of TRT to where I was around 500ng/dl and didn't need arimidex also. I found I usually felt better with no arimidex and my lipids where way better to. Arimidex would make me lethargic alot of the time and I don't think it kept my estrogen in the range I thought it did even with blood tests.
In what ways is Arimidex bad for your body?
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I do so every week without issue.
You inject in your abs?
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You inject in your abs?
Triceps
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Triceps
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In what ways is Arimidex bad for your body?
I'm to lazy to search it right now but I know it causes cholesterol to go up good cholesterol to go down, can cause osteoporosis, and some other random things. I was never a big fan of Rich Piana or took his advice to seriously but if I remember right he didn't even like to take the stuff unless he had to. Arimidex is basically a cancer drug used for women with breast cancer. If you ever read tesimonials about women on arimidex therapy it becomes evident that the stuff is harsh on your body. Although the women took much bigger doses like 1mg a day. Never the less arimidex should be kept to a minimum and you would be better of lowering your TRT dosage to a point you don't need it.
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I'm to lazy to search it right now but I know it causes cholesterol to go up good cholesterol to go down, can cause osteoporosis, and some other random things. I was never a big fan of Rich Piana or took his advice to seriously but if I remember right he didn't even like to take the stuff unless he had to. Arimidex is basically a cancer drug used for women with breast cancer. If you ever read tesimonials about women on arimidex therapy it becomes evident that the stuff is harsh on your body. Although the women took much bigger doses like 1mg a day. Never the less arimidex should be kept to a minimum and you would be better of lowering your TRT dosage to a point you don't need it.
Wish we could get proviron in the states legally. Would love to have testosterone compounded with proviron. That would enable most to get by with much lower dose of test and almost never need the AI. Maybe Masteron would be better than proviron for that purpose?
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Don't have 30 minutes right now. Where should I jump to in this video?
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I'm to lazy to search it right now but I know it causes cholesterol to go up good cholesterol to go down, can cause osteoporosis, and some other random things. I was never a big fan of Rich Piana or took his advice to seriously but if I remember right he didn't even like to take the stuff unless he had to. Arimidex is basically a cancer drug used for women with breast cancer. If you ever read tesimonials about women on arimidex therapy it becomes evident that the stuff is harsh on your body. Although the women took much bigger doses like 1mg a day. Never the less arimidex should be kept to a minimum and you would be better of lowering your TRT dosage to a point you don't need it.
Everything you put in your system, specially medications and supplements has side effects....and benefits. Not all meds react the same way in all people. Generally speaking lower doses produce fewer side effects if you're prone to any of them. Presently, I am taking 1 mg a week. Since it is sometimes prescribed at 1 mg per day, my dosage is low. One thing I did notice doing just a little research on Arimidex is there is no mention of it having a positive effect on libido.
Frankly, I am more concerned about my having been on a statin for nearly 40 years continuously. Statins have a load of sides. I'm looking for alternatives to replace the statin I'm currently on, which is Simvastatin. I have also been prescribed Wellbutrin and Metoprolol for some time now. Although I am not aware of having side effects from them, anytime you put something into your body over a very long time period it must have some effect. Preferably, not one that is negative.
One thing I found interesting is that while Metoprolol lowers blood pressure, Wellbutrin can raise it.
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I do so every week without issue.
I do as well, jab an insulin syringe into my quad (no fat there), works fine...
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I do as well, jab an insulin syringe into my quad (no fat there), works fine...
Same here. I would do side delts but it is easier for me to self pin quads and tri's.
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I do as well, jab an insulin syringe into my quad (no fat there), works fine...
2 times a week 0,25 ml Test E?