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Former Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke Jr. insinuated Wednesday that student survivors of the Parkland, Fla., school shooting were being manipulated by Democratic billionaire George Soros to organize for gun control.
In a tweet, the former Wisconsin sheriff wrote that media appearances and an activism campaign from students of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School against gun violence had "George Soros' fingerprints all over it."
Seventeen people were killed at the Parkland high school last week when a gunman attacked with an AR-15. In the days following, students of the school have organized a national campaign aimed at reducing gun violence.
Clarke, who resigned as sheriff last year amid speculation he would join the Trump administration, now serves as senior adviser and spokesman for the pro-Trump America First Action PAC. He is scheduled to speak at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) later this week.
CPAC organizers did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Clarke's remarks.
Clarke's tweet follows false conspiracy theories in right-wing media such as Gateway Pundit claiming that students at the Florida high school who have appeared on CNN, including David Hogg, are "crisis actors" paid to exploit the shooting for nefarious purposes.
An aide to a Florida state lawmaker was fired Tuesday after emailing a similar conspiracy theory to a reporter.
"Both kids in the picture are not students here but actors that travel to various crisis when they happen," wrote Benjamin Kelly, an aide to state Rep. Shawn Harrison (R) to a reporter. Kelly's comments drew swift condemnation from Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), as well as Harrison.
“On behalf of the entire Florida House, I sincerely apologize to the students targeted and again commend them for their courage through this unspeakable tragedy,” Florida House Speaker Richard Corcoran (R) tweeted an hour later.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/374840-david-clarke-fla-students-gun-control-push-has-george-soros
Before I'm accused of just cut and paste with no comment. You can always refer to my past threads where I stated that Soro's, Clinton and Obama are behind ALL of the anti-Trump rallys and protests and that the left LOVE tragedies like this to push an agenda.
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Well, if a black cowboy said it, it must be true. ::)
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Well, if a black cowboy said it, it must be true. ::)
Not an argument.
Long on eye rolling, short on logic.
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Former Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke Jr. insinuated Wednesday that student survivors of the Parkland, Fla., school shooting were being manipulated by Democratic billionaire George Soros to organize for gun control.
In a tweet, the former Wisconsin sheriff wrote that media appearances and an activism campaign from students of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School against gun violence had "George Soros' fingerprints all over it."
Seventeen people were killed at the Parkland high school last week when a gunman attacked with an AR-15. In the days following, students of the school have organized a national campaign aimed at reducing gun violence.
Clarke, who resigned as sheriff last year amid speculation he would join the Trump administration, now serves as senior adviser and spokesman for the pro-Trump America First Action PAC. He is scheduled to speak at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) later this week.
CPAC organizers did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Clarke's remarks.
Clarke's tweet follows false conspiracy theories in right-wing media such as Gateway Pundit claiming that students at the Florida high school who have appeared on CNN, including David Hogg, are "crisis actors" paid to exploit the shooting for nefarious purposes.
An aide to a Florida state lawmaker was fired Tuesday after emailing a similar conspiracy theory to a reporter.
"Both kids in the picture are not students here but actors that travel to various crisis when they happen," wrote Benjamin Kelly, an aide to state Rep. Shawn Harrison (R) to a reporter. Kelly's comments drew swift condemnation from Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), as well as Harrison.
“On behalf of the entire Florida House, I sincerely apologize to the students targeted and again commend them for their courage through this unspeakable tragedy,” Florida House Speaker Richard Corcoran (R) tweeted an hour later.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/374840-david-clarke-fla-students-gun-control-push-has-george-soros
Before I'm accused of just cut and paste with no comment. You can always refer to my past threads where I stated that Soro's, Clinton and Obama are behind ALL of the anti-Trump rallys and protests and that the left LOVE tragedies like this to push an agenda.
you should really consider reading these articles before you post
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Former Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke Jr. insinuated Wednesday that student survivors of the Parkland, Fla., school shooting were being manipulated by Democratic billionaire George Soros to organize for gun control.
In a tweet, the former Wisconsin sheriff wrote that media appearances and an activism campaign from students of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School against gun violence had "George Soros' fingerprints all over it."
Seventeen people were killed at the Parkland high school last week when a gunman attacked with an AR-15. In the days following, students of the school have organized a national campaign aimed at reducing gun violence.
Clarke, who resigned as sheriff last year amid speculation he would join the Trump administration, now serves as senior adviser and spokesman for the pro-Trump America First Action PAC. He is scheduled to speak at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) later this week.
CPAC organizers did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Clarke's remarks.
Clarke's tweet follows false conspiracy theories in right-wing media such as Gateway Pundit claiming that students at the Florida high school who have appeared on CNN, including David Hogg, are "crisis actors" paid to exploit the shooting for nefarious purposes.
An aide to a Florida state lawmaker was fired Tuesday after emailing a similar conspiracy theory to a reporter.
"Both kids in the picture are not students here but actors that travel to various crisis when they happen," wrote Benjamin Kelly, an aide to state Rep. Shawn Harrison (R) to a reporter. Kelly's comments drew swift condemnation from Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), as well as Harrison.
“On behalf of the entire Florida House, I sincerely apologize to the students targeted and again commend them for their courage through this unspeakable tragedy,” Florida House Speaker Richard Corcoran (R) tweeted an hour later.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/374840-david-clarke-fla-students-gun-control-push-has-george-soros
Before I'm accused of just cut and paste with no comment. You can always refer to my past threads where I stated that Soro's, Clinton and Obama are behind ALL of the anti-Trump rallys and protests and that the left LOVE tragedies like this to push an agenda.
You know those hacks never miss an opportunity to take advantage of a tragedy.
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You know those hacks never miss an opportunity to take advantage of a tragedy.
LOL - keep repeated that tired old right wing meme and someone might actually believe it one day
meanwhile back at the the 1600 Pennsylvania Ave the massacre of 17 people was a reprieve for them and took the focus off their own self created disasters
“For everyone, it was a distraction or a reprieve,” one administration said in a story posted Monday. “A lot of people here felt like it was a reprieve from seven or eight days of just getting pummeled.”
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/374560-washington-post-official-called-fla-shooting-coverage-a-reprieve-for
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LOL - keep repeated that tired old right wing meme and someone might actually believe it one day
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LOL
https://www.buzzfeed.com/remysmidt/heres-what-its-like-at-the-headquarters-of-the-teens?utm_term=.mq8deV6Qx#.vxYLZGx8j
Headquarters Of The Teens Working To Stop Mass Shootings
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Thanks for posting Trumptard
This is exactly what I was referring to
Right wing morons such as yourself and Bum have been taking that "crisis" comment out of context and then trying to conflate that with tragedies such as the mass murder of children and then pretend that it's a Democratic strategy to "take advantage of disasters" to promote their own political agenda
Here's the full quote
He gave the example of the ENERGY CRISIS in the early 1970's and talked about how BOTH PARTIES could come together in that kind of situation and work on solutions
Emanuel, Nov. 19, 2008:
You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before. I think America as a whole in 1973 and 1974, and not just my view but obviously the administration's, missed the opportunity to deal with the energy crisis that was before us. For a long time our entire energy policy came down to cheap oil. This is an opportunity, what used to be long-term problems, be they in the health care area, energy area, education area, fiscal area, tax area, regulatory reform area, things that we have postponed for too long, that were long-term, are now immediate and must be dealt with. This crisis provides the opportunity, for us, as I would say, the opportunity to do things that you could not do before. The good news, I suppose, if you want to see a silver lining, is the problems are big enough that they lend themselves to ideas from both parties for the solution.
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Not the first stupid thing Clarke has said. Likely won't be the last
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Thanks for posting Trumptard
This is exactly what I was referring to
Right wing moron such as yourself have been taking that "crisis" comment out of context and then trying to conflate that with tragedies such as the mass murder or children and then pretend that it's a Democratic strategy to "take advantage of disasters" to promote their own political agenda
Here's the full quote
He gave the example of the ENERGY CRISIS in the early 1970's and talked about how BOTH PARTIES could come together in that kind of situation and work on solutions
Emanuel, Nov. 19, 2008:
Why couldn't you do them before? I'd argue that it's because their "solutions" were unpopular and unlikely to receive support unless people are scared of the crisis.
Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky
1. "Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have."
2. "Never go outside the expertise of your people."
3. "Whenever possible go outside the expertise of the enemy."
4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."
5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon."
6. "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."
7. "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag."
8. "Keep the pressure on."
9. "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself."
10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition."
11. "If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside"
12. "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."
13. "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."
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Why couldn't you do them before? I'd argue that it's because their "solutions" were unpopular and unlikely to receive support unless people are scared of the crisis.
Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky
1. "Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have."
2. "Never go outside the expertise of your people."
3. "Whenever possible go outside the expertise of the enemy."
4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."
5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon."
6. "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."
7. "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag."
8. "Keep the pressure on."
9. "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself."
10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition."
11. "If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside"
12. "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."
13. "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."
again, if you want to keep creating CT's and then insisting they are true and apply only to Democrats then have at it
I can do the same thing
Here's a list of rules from Roger Stone
All Republicans at all times follow these rules, especially the ones I've highlight
As Trump is fond of saying "everyone agrees that is true"
BTW- the Roy Cohn one probably applies to most Republicans as well, probably even you and Bum
Roger Stone's Rules
"Unless you can fake sincerity, you'll get nowhere in this business”
"Politics isn't theater. It's performance art. Sometimes, for its own sake."
"Don't order fish at a steakhouse,"
"White shirt + tan face = confidence,"
"Undertakers and chauffeurs are the only people who should be allowed by law to wear black suits."
"Hit it from every angle. Open multiple fronts on your enemy. He must be confused, and feel besieged on every side."
"Always praise 'em before you hit 'em."
"Be bold. The more you tell, the more you sell." (attributed to advertising guru David Ogilvy)
"Losers don't legislate." (from Richard Nixon)
"Admit nothing, deny everything, launch counterattack."
"Nobody ever built a statue to a committee."
"Avoid obviousness."
"Get your carbs from booze, not sweets"
"Never do anything till you're ready to do it."
"Look good = feel good."
"Always keep the advantage.”
“He who speaks first, looses.”
“Attack, attack, attack, never defend.”
“When i hear the word culture, I reach for my gun.”
“Democrats are the party of slavery, Republicans are the party of freedom.”
“Folks want government out of the bedroom and the boardroom.”
“Roy Cohn wasn't gay. He was a man who liked having sex with men.”
“Lay low, play dumb, keep moving.”
“Never turn down the opportunity to have sex or be on TV.” (attributed to Gore Vidal)
“Nothing is on the level.”
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LOL
https://www.buzzfeed.com/remysmidt/heres-what-its-like-at-the-headquarters-of-the-teens?utm_term=.mq8deV6Qx#.vxYLZGx8j
Headquarters Of The Teens Working To Stop Mass Shootings
Phaggots and feminists, training for their careers as leftist propagandizing "journalists". They think the government can solve the problem if only they took more rights away from the people that obey laws. The same government that was warned about this kid in explicit detail at least twice yet did nothing. Fuck these idiots and their parents.
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Phaggots and feminists, training for their careers as leftist propagandizing "journalists". They think the government can solve the problem if only they took more rights away from the people that obey laws. The same government that was warned about this kid in explicit detail at least twice yet did nothing. Fuck these idiots and their parents.
agreed
and fuck you and your kids and family too while we're at it
I truly hope none of your kids or their friends are gunned down but if they are well fuck em too
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again, if you want to keep creating CT's and then insisting they are true and apply only to Democrats then have at it
I can do the same thing
Here's a list of rules from Roger Stone
All Republicans at all times follow these rules, especially the ones I've highlight
As Trump is fond of saying "everyone agrees that is true"
BTW- the Roy Cohn one probably applies to most Republicans as well, probably even you and Bum
Roger Stone's Rules
"Unless you can fake sincerity, you'll get nowhere in this business”
"Politics isn't theater. It's performance art. Sometimes, for its own sake."
"Don't order fish at a steakhouse,"
"White shirt + tan face = confidence,"
"Undertakers and chauffeurs are the only people who should be allowed by law to wear black suits."
"Hit it from every angle. Open multiple fronts on your enemy. He must be confused, and feel besieged on every side."
"Always praise 'em before you hit 'em."
"Be bold. The more you tell, the more you sell." (attributed to advertising guru David Ogilvy)
"Losers don't legislate." (from Richard Nixon)
"Admit nothing, deny everything, launch counterattack."
"Nobody ever built a statue to a committee."
"Avoid obviousness."
"Get your carbs from booze, not sweets"
"Never do anything till you're ready to do it."
"Look good = feel good."
"Always keep the advantage.”
“He who speaks first, looses.”
“Attack, attack, attack, never defend.”
“When i hear the word culture, I reach for my gun.”
“Democrats are the party of slavery, Republicans are the party of freedom.”
“Folks want government out of the bedroom and the boardroom.”
“Roy Cohn wasn't gay. He was a man who liked having sex with men.”
“Lay low, play dumb, keep moving.”
“Never turn down the opportunity to have sex or be on TV.” (attributed to Gore Vidal)
“Nothing is on the level.”
So it's the Republicans trotting out child victims to tug on people's heart strings and get them to support bad policy?
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LOL - keep repeated that tired old right wing meme and someone might actually believe it one day
meanwhile back at the the 1600 Pennsylvania Ave the massacre of 17 people was a reprieve for them and took the focus off their own self created disasters
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/374560-washington-post-official-called-fla-shooting-coverage-a-reprieve-for
Your arguments are the ones you tried to make on the Billy Graham thread. You must mentally abuse yourself everyday
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agreed
and fuck you and your kids and family too while we're at it
I truly hope none of your kids or their friends are gunned down but if they are well fuck em too
Lol Good one.
I meant what I said about those little shits. I'm glad they are alive but they are slime to me. Useful idiots.
They don't even understand how Government works. One of them said Donald Trump controls the Congress and the Senate or some shit like that.
Being a victim doesn't make you an expert on anything.....all it makes you is a victim.
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Your arguments are the ones you tried to make on the Billy Graham thread. You must mentally abuse yourself everyday
WTF are you talking about
I said he made a great living as a scam artist
Good for him. Scamming money out of suckers like you
what does that have to do with this thread ?
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Lol Good one.
I meant what I said about those little shits. I'm glad they are alive but they are slime to me. Useful idiots.
They don't even understand how Government works. One of them said Donald Trump controls the Congress and the Senate or some shit like that.
Being a victim doesn't make you an expert on anything.....all it makes you is a victim.
I totally agree
There is no point in trying to attempt ANY legislation to limit the incidents of gun violence or to lessen the carnage
If people want to do this they are going to find a way so there is no point is doing anything
agreed?
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Yep. That is precisely what those hacks do.
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Yep. That is precisely what those hacks do.
Classic Bum
Continues to publicly lie to himself
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I totally agree
There is no point in trying to attempt ANY legislation to limit the incidents of gun violence or to lessen the carnage
If people want to do this they are going to find a way so there is no point is doing anything
agreed?
No, I don't fully agree with that. I just think that the legislation people are proposing now won't help to minimize these shootings and will restrict our freedom too much.
We have a responsibility to make sure that any legislative solution will (A) work, and (B) protect Constitutional rights. It's the old debate of dangerous freedom versus peaceful slavery.
We shouldn't have a knee jerk, emotional reaction to a tragedy and start passing more laws just so we can feel like we are doing something. Doing something dumb is worse than doing nothing.
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We have to remember that.....
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No, I don't fully agree with that. I just think that the legislation people are proposing now won't help to minimize these shootings and will restrict our freedom too much.
We have a responsibility to make sure that any legislative solution will (A) work, and (B) protect Constitutional rights. It's the old debate of dangerous freedom versus peaceful slavery.
We shouldn't have a knee jerk, emotional reaction to a tragedy and start passing more laws just so we can feel like we are doing something. Doing something dumb is worse than doing nothing.
what is the "legislation" that you're imagining here (I'm not aware of any) and how will it restrict our freedom
can you give me those specifis?
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what is the "legislation" that you're imagining here (I'm not aware of any) and how will it restrict our freedom
can you give me those specifis?
One example that gets debated with varying degrees of intensity every time their is a mass shooting is the idea of banning all or some semi-automatic rifles.
Another example is lowering the allowed magazine capacity to a maximum of 10 nationwide.
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We have to remember that.....
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yep, simple minded view for simpletons
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One example that gets debated with varying degrees of intensity every time their is a mass shooting is the idea of banning all or some semi-automatic rifles.
Another example is lowering the allowed magazine capacity to a maximum of 10 nationwide.
so neither of those things - let's say banning some semi-automatic rifles and lower magazine capacity would not in ANY WAY lesson the carnage in a mass shooting event right
I assume you believe that and can also prove it?
Also, how exactly does that hinder your freedom?
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yep, simple minded view for simpletons
But is it factually incorrect? Criminals and lunatics don't obey laws.
It's already against the law to kill someone regardless of how you do it. People are still getting killed every day.
Also, did banning heroin stop people from possessing and using heroin? Of course not.
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yep, simple minded view for simpletons
and yet you still can't seem to comprehend it.... ???
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so neither of those things - let's say banning some semi-automatic rifles and lower magazine capacity would not in ANY WAY lesson the carnage in a mass shooting event right
I assume you believe that and can also prove it?
Also, how exactly does that hinder your freedom?
OK, lets say Feinstein or some other idiot puts out a bill to ban all semi-automatic weapons and requires everyone to turn the weapons over to the government.
How do you make sure that everyone obeys that order? You can't. They only people that would obey are the ones not inclined to go on killing sprees. Criminals and nutjobs would continue to be well armed. Now I am not well armed. I am a sitting duck just waiting around crossing my fingers and hoping some piece of shit doesn't walk into a restraunt with an AK or a glock, shoot me in the face and rape my lady friend.
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so neither of those things - let's say banning some semi-automatic rifles and lower magazine capacity would not in ANY WAY lesson the carnage in a mass shooting event right
We don't pass laws in order to minimize problems (even death) in "ANY WAY". We weigh the benefit and the cost.
If we forced men to stop fucking each other in the ass less people would get AIDS. That would lessen the mortality rate of gay men. Should we do that?
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I think we just need to pass legislation to make murder even more super duper illegal
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I think we just need to pass legislation to make murder even more super duper illegal
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What if we made the penalty for murder so severe that if you get convicted of intentionally killing someone you could be put to death yourself?
Surely the threat of death would discourage people from committing murder. Right?
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I think we just need to pass legislation to make murder even more super duper illegal
::)
Right? ::)
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An interesting detail of the repeated failures of authorities to act on explicit warnings about this kid.
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We don't pass laws in order to minimize problems (even death) in "ANY WAY". We weigh the benefit and the cost.
If we forced men to stop fucking each other in the ass less people would get AIDS. That would lessen the mortality rate of gay men. Should we do that?
so we don't have seat belt laws to minimize death and injury
how about helmet laws for people driving motorcyles
Of course we have drunk driving laws but I don't really see the point because if you really want to drive drunk you're going to find a way. Whats the point
If the law can't stop something 100% and all of the time then the law is worthless
That's why Republican never bother with laws to try to limit abortion. They always make the argument that it's pointless because if you really want to get an abortion you're going to find way.
I cou
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so we don't have seat belt laws to minimize death and injury
how about helmet laws for people driving motorcyles
Of course we have drunk driving laws but I don't really see the point because if you really want to drive drunk you're going to find a way. Whats the point
If the law can't stop something 100% and all of the time then the law is worthless
That's why Republican never bother with laws to try to limit abortion. They always make the argument that it's pointless because if you really want to get an abortion you're going to find way.
Laws do NOT deter crime... they merely punish those who commit them
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Laws do NOT deter crime... they merely punish those who commit them
That's a blanket statement that probably isn't true at all. Granted there are laws that don't have much impact like using your blinker to change lanes but I'm willing to bet there are numerous laws that prevent numerous people from breaking them.
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Laws do NOT deter crime... they merely punish those who commit them
Do we ever create laws to deter anything, even non-crimes?
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But is it factually incorrect? Criminals and lunatics don't obey laws.
It's already against the law to kill someone regardless of how you do it. People are still getting killed every day.
Also, did banning heroin stop people from possessing and using heroin? Of course not.
so there is nothing we can do on the "gun" side of the argument then to in any way reduce the amount of death and carnage.
Is that what you're saying ?
Be honest because I might just agree with you
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Laws do NOT deter crime... they merely punish those who commit them
Laws do deter crime - just not all or even most crime.
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OK, lets say Feinstein or some other idiot puts out a bill to ban all semi-automatic weapons and requires everyone to turn the weapons over to the government.
How do you make sure that everyone obeys that order? You can't. They only people that would obey are the ones not inclined to go on killing sprees. Criminals and nutjobs would continue to be well armed. Now I am not well armed. I am a sitting duck just waiting around crossing my fingers and hoping some piece of shit doesn't walk into a restraunt with an AK or a glock, shoot me in the face and rape my lady friend.
Gun laws (like restraining orders and speed limits) affect law-abiding citizens.
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Gun laws (like restraining orders and speed limits) affect law-abiding citizens.
It could just be the current laws suck
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Not an argument.
Long on eye rolling, short on logic.
So, whatever clarke says is truth to you?
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Seriously... what are the odds 4 cops are "cowards" waiting outside while the shooting was occurring?
Sure seems more likely they received a stand down order to help advance the Jews gun grabber cause
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Seriously... what are the odds 4 cops are "cowards" waiting outside while the shooting was occurring?
Sure seems more likely they received a stand down order to help advance the Jews gun grabber cause
If you think it is more likely they were told to not go in, in spite if 1. The deputy we KNOW was there and didn't go in resigned and has been publicly shamed by the people who allegedly told him to stand down..without him saying a word. and 2. There are allegations there were 3 others that is being looked into but not confirmed; than the deputy was just too chicken shit or poorly trained to do what he was expected to do, you may have a critical thinking problem. It's like saying "Seems more likely the school shooter was brainwashed and drugged by a secret liberal group to commit the murders than that he just decided to on his own"
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So, whatever clarke says is truth to you?
You are really bad at this.
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Seriously... what are the odds 4 cops are "cowards" waiting outside while the shooting was occurring?
Sure seems more likely they received a stand down order to help advance the Jews gun grabber cause
Wasn't it reported that the cops waited outside for a long time when that smelly mooslim was in the Florida club shooting people up a year or two ago?
I thought that was something people were pissed at back then. I think they eventually went in but they took their sweet ass time.
If I'm remembering correctly.
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Couple of weeks ago Dems were saying our kids were too stupid and needed extra warnings to not eat detergent pods, this week Dems are saying our kids are smart enough to have their opinions taken seriously on the 2nd Amendment.
https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2018/02/06/lawmakers-take-on-tide-pods-with-call-for-regulation-238987
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Couple of weeks ago Dems were saying our kids were too stupid and needed extra warnings to not eat detergent pods, this week Dems are saying our kids are smart enough to have their opinions taken seriously on the 2nd Amendment.
https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2018/02/06/lawmakers-take-on-tide-pods-with-call-for-regulation-238987
I would say some kids are stupid when it comes to things like the pod challenge. I would also say some kids are more mature than many adults I interact with on a regular basis and them actually having gone through a homicide in progress mass shooting seeing their friends slaughtered, they might have a point that might be worth listening to. But that's just me, I'm obviously in the minority here :)
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I would say some kids are stupid when it comes to things like the pod challenge. I would also say some kids are more mature than many adults I interact with on a regular basis and them actually having gone through a homicide in progress mass shooting seeing their friends slaughtered, they might have a point that might be worth listening to. But that's just me, I'm obviously in the minority here :)
Or they could be traumatized and having adults with an agenda taking advantage of their teenage emotions.
But that's just my common sense talking.
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Or they could be traumatized and having adults with an agenda taking advantage of their teenage emotions.
But that's just my common sense talking.
That would make it easier for a conservative to accept certainly. It couldn't possibly be a good idea to limit access to military type weapons and large capacity mags.
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That would make it easier for a conservative to accept certainly. It couldn't possibly be a good idea to limit access to military type weapons and large capacity mags.
No, it's not a good idea. It will have little to no effect on school shootings. Count on that.
We are ready had an assault weapons ban and it did fuck-all to prevent violent crime according to the multiple studies that were done afterwards. There's no reason to think that doing it again would somehow have a different result.
The proposed ban does nothing to address the root causes of these shootings. All it would do is limit the rights of people that aren't likely to be mass murderers.
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No, it's not a good idea. It will have little to no effect on school shootings. Count on that.
We are ready had an assault weapons ban and it did fuck-all to prevent violent crime according to the multiple studies that were done afterwards. There's no reason to think that doing it again would somehow have a different result.
The proposed ban does nothing to address the root causes of these shootings. All it would do is limit the rights of people that aren't likely to be mass murderers.
and I appreciate your opinion. I think less access to those weapons would likely reduce the number killed, Maybe not but I think so, and while I'm not a fan of "lets just do something" for doing something, I'm not ready to accept that we can't impact it with a comprehensive plan that includes taking some of those weapons off the street.
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That would make it easier for a conservative to accept certainly. It couldn't possibly be a good idea to limit access to military type weapons and large capacity mags.
Statements like this are what make me question your supposed LE background. It's amazing to me that someone that has your supposed background believes that infringing on law abiding citizens will stop criminals.
How do you feel about the war on drugs?
What about underage drinking?
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and I appreciate your opinion. I think less access to those weapons would likely reduce the number killed, Maybe not but I think so, and while I'm not a fan of "lets just do something" for doing something, I'm not ready to accept that we can't impact it with a comprehensive plan that includes taking some of those weapons off the street.
I appreciate your opinion as well. You seem like a reasonable chap.
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Statements like this are what make me question your supposed LE background. It's amazing to me that someone that has your supposed background believes that infringing on law abiding citizens will stop criminals.
How do you feel about the war on drugs?
What about underage drinking?
Statements like that from someone with my background ought to make you give it a second thought but thats fine. We don't share the same opinion on something that is widely debated, probably not the end of the world. Infringing.... interesting choice. Those kids lives were infringed upon. The families of the kids were infringed upon. I think that infringment is a little more detrimental than Bubba not being able to buy a military type weapon to add to his collection and plunk targets with.
War on drugs, causes more harm than good.
Underage drinking? Don't care much about it unless they are driving afterwards or otherwise endangering lives.
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I appreciate your opinion as well. You seem like a reasonable chap.
Thanks, I try to be reasonable. I know going in that in most cases it's just my opinion and I've been wrong before I could very well be wrong again. Things that are subjective, I try to be open minded about other views.
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Statements like that from someone with my background ought to make you give it a second thought but thats fine.
Knowing many LE and military guys at many different levels of government, I have yet to talk to one that feels the way you do. And that is an astonishing thought since I live in the liberal capital of the country. So someone from TX willing to give up his rights, it's odd.
In all seriousness, do you honestly believe making a type of gun illegal will stop mass shootings?
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Knowing many LE and military guys at many different levels of government, I have yet to talk to one that feels the way you do. And that is an astonishing thought since I live in the liberal capital of the country. So someone from TX willing to give up his rights, it's odd.
In all seriousness, do you honestly believe making a type of gun illegal will stop mass shootings?
I have given up my right to own a bazooka and a flame thrower. I think they would be cool at the range but I understand the thought behind that and hand grenades. I have never advocated giving up a persons right to own a handgun or rifle. But like the other military weapons, I don't see a real need for Bubba to have that AK-47 with the 30 round mags. Call me crazy but I think Bubba will be fine without it. I own a couple handguns and rifles. I don't own a AR or AK but if I did and a ban went into effect, I could get through the day just fine.
I've never advocated that making the owning of military type weapons would stop mass shootings but I do think it might reduce them and or the number of casualties. I am willing to give up my option to own one of those type weapons to find out.
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I am willing to give up my option to own one of those type weapons to find out.
I'm not.
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I'm not.
and you know what, that's cool..
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I'm not.
Me neither. Molṑn labé bitches. Come and take them.
Plus, we already did find out. We had an assault weapon ban already and it had jack shit impact on violent crime.
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Me neither. Molṑn labé bitches. Come and take them.
Plus, we already did find out. We had an assault weapon ban already and it had jack shit impact on violent crime.
How long was that assault weapon ban. I forget
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Me neither. Molṑn labé bitches. Come and take them.
Plus, we already did find out. We had an assault weapon ban already and it had jack shit impact on violent crime.
"Back in 1994, Congress passed a federal assault-weapons ban that lasted 10 years. Experts who have studied the law tend to agree that it was rife with loopholes and generally ineffective at curbing gun violence — though it might well have reduced mass shootings."
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"Back in 1994, Congress passed a federal assault-weapons ban that lasted 10 years. Experts who have studied the law tend to agree that it was rife with loopholes and generally ineffective at curbing gun violence — though it might well have reduced mass shootings."
That comes from the (liberal) Washington Post's editorial on the ban and not from any of the many actual studies. I don't have the time or desire to point why that sentence is wrong. I'm tired and no amount of evidence is enough to make any difference to anyone. People have their opinions and they are firm in them just like I am firm in them mine. Nothing wrong with that. Sometimes I like to babble on about this stuff with people but in reality I need to remind myself that the time for debate is over. Now is the time for "fuck you, come and take them". I hope you understand that I'm not saying fuck you to you yourself. I wouldn't do that. I trust that you do understand.
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That comes from the (liberal) Washington Post's editorial on the ban and not from any of the many actual studies. I don't have the time or desire to point why that sentence is wrong. I'm tired and no amount of evidence is enough to make any difference to anyone. People have their opinions and they are firm in them just like I am firm in them mine. Nothing wrong with that. Sometimes I like to babble on about this stuff with people but in reality I need to remind myself that the time for debate is over. Now is the time for "fuck you, come and take them". I hope you understand that I'm not saying fuck you to you yourself. I wouldn't do that. I trust that you do understand.
No worries. Like I said, its a complicated issue. The results are death so it is something we need to examine as a nation and not everyone will agree. I appreciate and enjoyed the discussion.
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No worries. Like I said, its a complicated issue. The results are death so it is something we need to examine as a nation and not everyone will agree. I appreciate and enjoyed the discussion.
Cheers.
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idk guys, it kinda looks like the NRA has their hands all fingerprints all over it! ;D
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No worries. Like I said, its a complicated issue. The results are death so it is something we need to examine as a nation and not everyone will agree. I appreciate and enjoyed the discussion.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMTvCBcWkAAYV4e.jpg)
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"Back in 1994, Congress passed a federal assault-weapons ban that lasted 10 years. Experts who have studied the law tend to agree that it was rife with loopholes and generally ineffective at curbing gun violence — though it might well have reduced mass shootings."
Ineffective....good word to use for that. Criminals will always criminal.
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:D Boss Hogg found another camera!
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Kid is a puppet caught up over his head.
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Nah, just has the spotlight at the moment and using it to get a solid message out
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Nah, just has the spotlight at the moment and using it to get a solid message out
*stands on soapbox made of dead classmate bodies*
sends tweets like this:
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;D
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Guess Who’s Funding the ‘Student’ Gun Control Movement?
On February 28, B***Feed came out with the actual story: Rep. Debbie Wassermann Schultz aiding in the lobbying in Tallahassee, a teacher’s union organizing the buses that got the kids there, Michael Bloomberg’s groups and the Women’s March working on the upcoming March For Our Lives, MoveOn.org doing social media promotion and (potentially) march logistics, and training for student activists provided by federally funded Planned Parenthood.
The president of the American Federation of Teachers told B***Feed they’re also behind the national school walkout, which journalists had previously assured the public was the sole work of a teenager. (I’d thought teachers were supposed to get kids into school, but maybe that’s just me.)
In other words, the response was professionalized.
The activist left has been bankrolling these children since the day after the shooting, when Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) arrived on the scene in Parkland and realized there were easy political points to win.
Since she joined their ranks (in the background, out of the view of the cameras, of course), the group of activist kids have raised millions of dollars for the anti-gun left.
However, the worst part of this entire debacle has been the absolute silence with which the media has met the left’s obvious astroturfing success.
https://constitution.com/guess-whos-funding-anti-gun-student-movement/
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Guess Who’s Funding the ‘Student’ Gun Control Movement?
On February 28, B***Feed came out with the actual story: Rep. Debbie Wassermann Schultz aiding in the lobbying in Tallahassee, a teacher’s union organizing the buses that got the kids there, Michael Bloomberg’s groups and the Women’s March working on the upcoming March For Our Lives, MoveOn.org doing social media promotion and (potentially) march logistics, and training for student activists provided by federally funded Planned Parenthood.
The president of the American Federation of Teachers told B***Feed they’re also behind the national school walkout, which journalists had previously assured the public was the sole work of a teenager. (I’d thought teachers were supposed to get kids into school, but maybe that’s just me.)
In other words, the response was professionalized.
The activist left has been bankrolling these children since the day after the shooting, when Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) arrived on the scene in Parkland and realized there were easy political points to win.
Since she joined their ranks (in the background, out of the view of the cameras, of course), the group of activist kids have raised millions of dollars for the anti-gun left.
However, the worst part of this entire debacle has been the absolute silence with which the media has met the left’s obvious astroturfing success.
https://constitution.com/guess-whos-funding-anti-gun-student-movement/
based on your well document and articulated post, I have discounted everything any student at that high school has said as propaganda , well done!!
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but but but.... guns....
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but but but.... guns....
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You forgot Russia.