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Consume in liquid form immediatly postworkout.
50-75g Dextrose
30-50g Whey Protein
5-15g Leucine
The End.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne44.htm
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fully agreed! i've gotten the best results with dex+whey 8)
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fully agreed! i've gotten the best results with dex+whey 8)
i started using waxy maize instead of dextrose or maltodextrin....i personally like it much better, no bloat....the maize
actually feels like it does the opposite of bloat
i take a custom blend
30% whey isolate
30% micellar casein
40% waxy maize
sweetened with stevia(natural sweetner)
works great, i don't crash either
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i started using waxy maize instead of dextrose or maltodextrin....i personally like it much better, no bloat....the maize
actually feels like it does the opposite of bloat
i take a custom blend
30% whey isolate
30% micellar casein
40% waxy maize
sweetened with stevia(natural sweetner)
works great, i don't crash either
I haven't tried either malto or waxy so i don't know what it's like. getting rid of the bloat seems like a good thing though. What do you mean with not crashing?
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I haven't tried either malto or waxy so i don't know what it's like. getting rid of the bloat seems like a good thing though. What do you mean with not crashing?
energy crash....from taking in a lot of sugar, spiking insulin, then blood sugar surge reduces leaving you with a "crash"
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energy crash....from taking in a lot of sugar, spiking insulin, then blood sugar surge reduces leaving you with a "crash"
oh yeah, that crash. I get that all the time after a workout, when i take dex and when i don't. "he won't recover"
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what is "natural" about wearing clothes and taking a crap in a toilet?
good post, but nevermind cumdrizzler, he is just an ex-fatty that needs some sort of excuse to use steroids.
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what is "natural" about wearing clothes and taking a crap in a toilet?
Bwha ha ha classic man that made me laugh
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no, i dont need any excuse to do anything. im sorry if you feel that you must make everyone happy about your personal decisions, i however do not.
i thnk if layne wants to be "natura;" he should be "NTAURAL"..and IMO theres nothing natural about the things he puts in his body.. (ex = that post workout shake )
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Consume in liquid form immediatly postworkout.
50-75g Dextrose
30-50g Whey Protein
5-15g Leucine
The End.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne44.htm
How about a big juicy steak and Sweet potatoe..............End of story :)
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How about a big juicy steak and Sweet potatoe..............End of story :)
i thought you were well educated in the field of nutition ? steak = poor choice for post workout protein
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i thought you were well educated in the field of nutition ? steak = poor choice for post workout protein
Indeed it is. I'd stick to lean chicken if you are going for solid protein. A high quality whey isolate immediately PWO with some carbs, Karbolyn or Waxy Maize and about 45 minutes later a solid meal of chicken and a yam with salsa or brown rice.
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red meat is the slowest digesting protein source :D
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red meat is the slowest digesting protein source :D
exactly
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I think the PWO shake is the most over exxaggerated myth in bodybuilding. Its making things too complicated. There is nothing better than whole food PERIOD. And out of all the protein sources, id rather have a nice big juicy steak, and there arent too many carb sources better than sweet potatoes. Therefore id choose sweet taters and a juicy steak cooked medium rare post workout!
I dont need no studies or nothing, im going off real life experience, and most guys i talk to that look good dont drink shakes after there workouts, they EAT FOOD! Same with myself, ive been doing that for the past six months or so and the results speak for themselves.
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I think the PWO shake is the most over exxaggerated myth in bodybuilding. Its making things too complicated. There is nothing better than whole food PERIOD.
sorry, your way off.
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sorry, your way off.
u might think so, but ill take a steak and potatoe ANYDAY over 50 grams of whey and dextrose/malto/waxy maize.
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i dont THINK so.. ;)
i agree, steak is much more appetizing. and if i want to eat some steak, after i drink my post workout shake, ill eat some steak ! and i also agree that simple carbs postworkout arent of much benefit. not unless you need them to cover your slin doseage ( if your into that ).
if you dotn know why, heres why = it will be about an hour befor eyou geta mino acids from steak. and then at that point, you will get a smal amount over several hyours. this is horrible for anabolism. and horrible for post workout. post workout you want a fast lane to the blodstream, and you want a super high concentration of amino acids.
especially a natty like yourself. how do you expect to put on any muscle?? one of the very few times you will ever really build any muscle as a natural is in that time slot immidiete post workout when protein synthesis is at its highest. to take advantage of that growth oppurtunity your only option is a protein source like whey.
:)
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i have to disagree, if your eating good solid food all day long, like a good bodybuilder is supposed to be, your going to have a constant trickle of aminos in your bloodstream all day long. So even if u do eat a steak which is a slow digesting protein, u have all of those other aminos in your bloodstream that you have already eaten during the day.
I honestly think people try to make this muscle building thing too complicated.
Heres an easy formula.......eat a lot of good solid food, train hard, sleep well, drink lots of water, take your fish oils, and enjoy life. If you do that you'll put on muscle like no other. Ive seen far too many guys at the gym finish there last set of curls then go pound a protein shake immediately pwo. Yet they have been the same size for the past 2 years. Then ive seen guys who make my head spin when i see them, go down the street to the local mexican restaurant after a workout, get a carne asada plate with rice and beans, and they are fucking hyooge. Coincidence I THINK NOT!
Just food for thought candi! :)
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I ate chicken and brown rice post-workout for over a year and got great results...........better than my previos shakes with dextrose and creatine monohydrate.
Post-workout shakes are mostly hype by the magazines.
Arnold, and tons of other greats just pounded food after training and they looked incredible.
The more shakes you drink,the more whey you buy,the more money the companies make.
I use whey for conveinience only,but food is just as good and better most of the time,including after training.
I`ve been training a long time and this is from real world experience,not from reading a magazine.
Experiment with it for yourself and see the good results you`ll obtain.
Todays "scientific" shit is still shit.
Keep it simple,it`s not brain surgery.
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I ate chicken and brown rice post-workout for over a year and got great results...........better than my previos shakes with dextrose and creatine monohydrate.
Post-workout shakes are mostly hype by the magazines.
Arnold, and tons of other greats just pounded food after training and they looked incredible.
The more shakes you drink,the more whey you buy,the more money the companies make.
I use whey for conveinience only,but food is just as good and better most of the time,including after training.
I`ve been training a long time and this is from real world experience,not from reading a magazine.
Experiment with it for yourself and see the good results you`ll obtain.
Todays "scientific" shit is still shit.
Keep it simple,it`s not brain surgery.
quoted for extreme amounts of truth!
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I think the PWO shake is the most over exxaggerated myth in bodybuilding. Its making things too complicated. There is nothing better than whole food PERIOD. And out of all the protein sources, id rather have a nice big juicy steak, and there arent too many carb sources better than sweet potatoes. Therefore id choose sweet taters and a juicy steak cooked medium rare post workout!
I dont need no studies or nothing, im going off real life experience, and most guys i talk to that look good dont drink shakes after there workouts, they EAT FOOD! Same with myself, ive been doing that for the past six months or so and the results speak for themselves.
i agree with this but you'd be better off eating a bunch of egg whites or maybe some turkey or chicken and then waiting a couple of hours to have the steak, the lower fat protein sources will digest quicker.
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fully agreed! i've gotten the best results with dex+whey 8)
Didn't do SHIT for me. :-X
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True chicken ,turkey or eggwhites would be a great choice as well.
my main point is people make this bodybuilding thing too difficult and complicated and end up worrying about all the little details and while there worrying about those little details, there bodies havent changed in years time.
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flexington, you do your thing. ill do mine. ( continued this rhyme after this next paragraph of mine)
but when it comes to a board where we want to spread accurate information. dont preach non sense that is innaccurate and proven to be so, MILLION OF TIMES ALBEIT, when others are showing the light to those who wish to be under such light.
see you at the finish line.
yea im sure your ISSA certification and monthly subscription to MD will always prove me wrong. ::)
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How about a big juicy steak and Sweet potatoe..............End of story :)
Because it takes 15-20 minutes to consume that; whereas, it takes 15-20 seconds to consume that shake.
Besides, why does it have to be "either/or"? I say consume the shake, immediately after the workout. Then, eat the steak and potatoe about 45-60 minutes later.
;D
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i like using a BCAA powder and creatine with some carbs PWO and then eat a solid meal 30 minutes after that.
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I been lifting seriously for a few years now, never really got into the nutritional side, just made sure to eat atleast six times a day, eat a ton of protein, and tapper off the carbs at night. Since I started incorporating some basic meal timing strategies (pre/post workout nutrition), I've seen a great deal of improvement. Just my two cents.
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I been lifting seriously for a few years now, never really got into the nutritional side, just made sure to eat atleast six times a day, eat a ton of protein, and tapper off the carbs at night. Since I started incorporating some basic meal timing strategies (pre/post workout nutrition), I've seen a great deal of improvement. Just my two cents.
:) most people do. its very important to get all you can out of pre/post workout.
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I ate chicken and brown rice post-workout for over a year and got great results...........better than my previos shakes with dextrose and creatine monohydrate.
Post-workout shakes are mostly hype by the magazines.
Arnold, and tons of other greats just pounded food after training and they looked incredible.
The more shakes you drink,the more whey you buy,the more money the companies make.
I use whey for conveinience only,but food is just as good and better most of the time,including after training.
I`ve been training a long time and this is from real world experience,not from reading a magazine.
Experiment with it for yourself and see the good results you`ll obtain.
Todays "scientific" shit is still shit.
Keep it simple,it`s not brain surgery.
No, it's not! But, I don't see why some folks are trying to make it a case of "food vs. supplements". If you have both, why not use both?
The post-workout shake thing isn't new. I've read about that, since the mid-90s, particularly in an article from IronMan by George Turner. "The 7 Secrets of Building Mass" (or something to that effect). With regards to shakes, he simply recommended you take one within 45 minutes after training. Back in the day, I'd simply have weight-gain shake (the third of the day, for me) after showering and hitting the pool, which took about 30 minutes.
It's funny that the "anabolic window" seems to be getting smaller by the years. First, it was within 45 minutes after training; then, it was a half-hour; then, it became 10-15 minutes. Now, people want you to suck down a shake the second you rack the weight on your final exercise.
And, the shakes are more "high-tech". Again, I just took another weight-gain shake (because it was all I could afford), which had milk and egg protein, some maltodextrin and simple sugar.
Now, it's cross-flow, ion-exchanged, smack-it-up-flip-it-rub-down whey isolate protein, waxy maize starch, creatine, BCAAs, beta-alanine, arginine, the butcher, the baker, and the candlestick maker.
Don't get me wrong. I use this stuff, too (when GNC or Vitamin Shoppe marks the prices WAAAAAY down for clearance ;D ). But, don't get too wrapped around the axle about this stuff. Whey isolate is great; but if all you got is milk and egg or even soy, then gulp that down after you finish training. Waxy Maize is the lastest carb craze. But, if funds don't permit, good old-fashioned dextrose (or even sucrose) will still get the job done.
It ain't "old school vs. new school". Drink a shake immediately after training; have a solid meal about 45 minutes later. And, let the growing begin!!!
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gotta say that Candy is almost always right on the money about his nutrition advice, you may not like the attitude but when he talks about needing ALOT OF protein, the importance of good PWO nutrition, healthy fat intake, etc. he's right on the money, people eat WAY to small protein portion sizes, this 4-5 oz. bullshit is for 11 year old girls.
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gotta say that Candy is almost always right on the money about his nutrition advice, you may not like the attitude but when he talks about needing ALOT OF protein, the importance of good PWO nutrition, healthy fat intake, etc. he's right on the money, people eat WAY to small protein portion sizes, this 4-5 oz. bullshit is for 11 year old girls.
thank you. even if people don't think protein is necessary, calories and food intake are. and the best way to get calories witout getting fat is by eating more protein.
for flexington...
you know what i think is good workout nutrition..
here
this is what i did today,
drink two scoop's of 80% whey isolate/20% leucine mixed with skim milk and saigon cinnamon
trained chest
came home, and ate a big bowl of frosted flakes with three scoops of that same whey/leucine with cinnamon and skim milk. had vegetable capsules with that bowl. as i ate that bowl of Post workout nutrition, i started to Cook about 12 ounces ground beef. i combined the beef, once cooked, with one whole can black beans. i mixed in some salsa, some onions, and some garlic. by the time i as done eating my cereal/whey, my homemade chili type meal was ready. and i went straight into eating that.
that, my friend, is how you eat.
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that shit sounds tasty. :P
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12 oz. should be the minimum portion of meat you should be eating if you're serious.
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trained chest
came home, and ate a big bowl of frosted flakes with three scoops of that same whey/leucine with cinnamon and skim milk. had vegetable capsules with that bowl. as i ate that bowl of Post workout nutrition, i started to Cook about 12 ounces ground beef. i combined the beef, once cooked, with one whole can black beans. i mixed in some salsa, some onions, and some garlic. by the time i as done eating my cereal/whey, my homemade chili type meal was ready. and i went straight into eating that.
Frosted flakes? :D
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/bb/Frosted-flakes.cbx.png/180px-Frosted-flakes.cbx.png)
brutal GI ...might as well have dextrose >:(
:D
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Frosted flakes? :D
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/bb/Frosted-flakes.cbx.png/180px-Frosted-flakes.cbx.png)
brutal GI ...might as well have dextrose >:(
:D
that's the point, it was post workout.
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that's the point, it was post workout.
he said earlier that he didn't 'believe' in dextrose pwo and only had whey...yet here he has almost the same thing as dextrose...
But it's the wrong sugar, it's sucrose/fructose, What is needed is glucose and that is was dextrose is
You can't go halfway here! it's either or, pick a side >:( ;D
Dex+whey or NO pwo shake at all...
without carbs in the shake there will not be enough insulin response to take the protein into the muscles
Pretty good read: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=231345
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he said earlier that he didn't 'believe' in dextrose pwo and only had whey...yet here he has almost the same thing as dextrose...
But it's the wrong sugar, it's sucrose/fructose, What is needed is glucose and that is was dextrose is
You can't go halfway here! it's either or, pick a side >:( ;D
Dex+whey or NO pwo shake at all...
without carbs in the shake there will not be enough insulin response to take the protein into the muscles
Pretty good read: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=231345
no thats wrong. insulin is counter balanced by igf-1. when one is low the other is inversly high. you will always absorb your food.
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I drink Vitargo and whey after a workout and then a big solid about 45 min later.
Im trying to get lean its just whey post work out followed by a solid with veggies. The solid meal can consist of any source of protein. I just drink the whey to buy me some time until I get the solid in.
I think there is a lot of hype about this window. You build and repair muscle for much longer than just and hour after your work out. Other wise we would just consume all our protein post work out?
I was lucky enough to train with a Pro. He dismissed all my beliefs in what should be done. I was so anal about my post work out shake. After our work out , I drank mine , he said " Man I need some food" We went to a restaurant and he had a potato , 300g fillet steak , and 500ml orange juice with some slin ;D No whey. He did drink whey and use vitargo but it was later in the day after that solid meal. More of a convince thing to get the calories in. I eat as much solid food as possible. Supplements are exactly that , they supplement a well constructed diet not make up for a shit one.
Im with MCWAY I say combine both its not either or... Why choose one when you can use both?
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i like both as well. i get my fast digesting nutrients and then my whole food at the same time however. take my whey AND eat some meat. by the time the meat is entrering the blood stream they whey is probably all used up.
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Some people after worrying so much about their post-workout meal,eat like total shit the rest of the day.
Instead of obsessing over this one meal,they should try to eat perfectly for their needs at all meals..........I bet most don`t.
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Some people after worrying so much about their post-workout meal,eat like total shit the rest of the day.
Instead of obsessing over this one meal,they should try to eat perfectly for their needs at all meals..........I bet most don`t.
very true. most people go and slam a shake right after there workout and think there going to get big. But the mcgriddle they had for breakfast and the pizza they are going to devour for dinner doesnt help out too much!
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yes, i know some kids who buy no explode and nitro tech and cell tech (no im not kidding) and they use these every workout, but the rest of their daily intake is all taco bell and carls jr.
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yes, i know some kids who buy no explode and nitro tech and cell tech (no im not kidding) and they use these every workout, but the rest of their daily intake is all taco bell and carls jr.
In Florida, "Carl's Jr." is known as "Hardee's". But, your point is well made. CELL-TECH, NITRO-TECH, and N.O.-XPLODE won't help you, if the rest of your diet is abysmal. Some people eat like that, only to later claim that "supplements are worthless" and that, when they just started eating real food, they got better results.
In actuality, they ran out of money. So, they had no choice but to go back to the basics and buy high-quality foods. When they get decent results, they claim it was all about eating real food, instead of taking supplements.
Had their diets been on point, AND they were taking supplements like CELL-TECH, NITRO-TECH, and N.O.-XPLODE, business would have really picked up and they would have had even greater gains.
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In Florida, "Carl's Jr." is known as "Hardee's". But, your point is well made. CELL-TECH, NITRO-TECH, and N.O.-XPLODE won't help you, if your rest of your diet is abysmal. Some people eat like that, only to later claim that "supplements are worthless" and that, when they just started eating real food, they got better results.
In actuality, they ran out of money. So, they had no choice but to go back to the basics and buy high-quality foods. When they get decent results, they claim it was all about eating real food instead of taking supplements.
Had their diets been on point, AND they were taking supplements like CELL-TECH, NITRO-TECH, and N.O.-XPLODE, business would have really picked up and they would have had even greater gains.
yes, good insight !
the amount of evidence to support proper workout supplementation is staggering.
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yes, good insight !
the amount of evidence to support proper workout supplementation is staggering.
Agreed, both in scientific research and in trial-and-error, real-world experience.
Back in college, my post-workout shake was serving of Mega Mass, 10 oz of powder mixed in water, (the third such shake of the day for me). That contained about 1100 calories: 210 g carbs, 55 grams protein, 3 g fat. The protein in Mega Mass was milk, egg, whey; the carb sources, I believe, were maltodextrin and fructose.
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i just down an ALN maximus shake.. protien blend, malto-d, ets, etc. GOOD STUFF! I'm curious about WM though. Seems some people love it and others don't see much of a difference. Either way.. eat after a workout and you'll be fine. ;D
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I think the PWO shake is the most over exxaggerated myth in bodybuilding. Its making things too complicated. There is nothing better than whole food PERIOD. And out of all the protein sources, id rather have a nice big juicy steak, and there arent too many carb sources better than sweet potatoes. Therefore id choose sweet taters and a juicy steak cooked medium rare post workout!
I dont need no studies or nothing, im going off real life experience, and most guys i talk to that look good dont drink shakes after there workouts, they EAT FOOD! Same with myself, ive been doing that for the past six months or so and the results speak for themselves.
you are right, there is absolutely no substitute for real food.....basically the more natural the better, and quick digesting liquids is not a natural way of ingesting calories
although i do it out of convenience, i agree with you
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I think the PWO shake is the most over exxaggerated myth in bodybuilding. Its making things too complicated. There is nothing better than whole food PERIOD. And out of all the protein sources, id rather have a nice big juicy steak, and there arent too many carb sources better than sweet potatoes. Therefore id choose sweet taters and a juicy steak cooked medium rare post workout!
I dont need no studies or nothing, im going off real life experience, and most guys i talk to that look good dont drink shakes after there workouts, they EAT FOOD! Same with myself, ive been doing that for the past six months or so and the results speak for themselves.
Too complicated? What's complicated about having a shake immediately after a workout and eating a meal about 30 - 45 minutes later?
Once I'm finished training, I hit the locker room, grab my bag, and make a shake. And, it takes me all of a few seconds to consume it. Then, I drive home and get something to eat (either what my wife has cooked or some chicken/beef and rice/potatoes/veggies, if I beat her home).
you are right, there is absolutely no substitute for real food.....basically the more natural the better, and quick digesting liquids is not a natural way of ingesting calories
although i do it out of convenience, i agree with you
Nobody's talking about substituting real food. It's about utilizing BOTH shakes and food.
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i have to disagree, if your eating good solid food all day long, like a good bodybuilder is supposed to be, your going to have a constant trickle of aminos in your bloodstream all day long. So even if u do eat a steak which is a slow digesting protein, u have all of those other aminos in your bloodstream that you have already eaten during the day.
I honestly think people try to make this muscle building thing too complicated.
Heres an easy formula.......eat a lot of good solid food, train hard, sleep well, drink lots of water, take your fish oils, and enjoy life. If you do that you'll put on muscle like no other. Ive seen far too many guys at the gym finish there last set of curls then go pound a protein shake immediately pwo. Yet they have been the same size for the past 2 years. Then ive seen guys who make my head spin when i see them, go down the street to the local mexican restaurant after a workout, get a carne asada plate with rice and beans, and they are fucking hyooge. Coincidence I THINK NOT!
Just food for thought candi! :)
true'r words were never spoken my friend. A lot of us have full time jobs, kids, a wife, basically RESPONSABILITIES other than our PWO shake. Most of us do not compete. I don't know how these guys have time to weigh out there foods, measure their intake of carbs and protien to the exact mg. I have to get up at 5:30 am just to have time to train, after work is wife/kids/dinner. I am lucky, i am a desk jockey so i can bring my tuna/chicken to work, but i think a lot of guys on here are full of crap, because if everone on here was as strict as they claim then we'd have 10,000 members @ 7 % all year round.
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true'r words were never spoken my friend. A lot of us have full time jobs, kids, a wife, basically RESPONSABILITIES other than our PWO shake. Most of us do not compete. I don't know how these guys have time to weigh out there foods, measure their intake of carbs and protien to the exact mg. I have to get up at 5:30 am just to have time to train, after work is wife/kids/dinner. I am lucky, i am a desk jockey so i can bring my tuna/chicken to work, but i think a lot of guys on here are full of crap, because if everone on here was as strict as they claim then we'd have 10,000 members @ 7 % all year round.
haha, maybe the most truthful words ever spoken on getbig!
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true'r words were never spoken my friend. A lot of us have full time jobs, kids, a wife, basically RESPONSABILITIES other than our PWO shake. Most of us do not compete. I don't know how these guys have time to weigh out there foods, measure their intake of carbs and protien to the exact mg. I have to get up at 5:30 am just to have time to train, after work is wife/kids/dinner. I am lucky, i am a desk jockey so i can bring my tuna/chicken to work, but i think a lot of guys on here are full of crap, because if everone on here was as strict as they claim then we'd have 10,000 members @ 7 % all year round.
Good post, very true.
On the other hand, you have a ot of students / retards / trailer park inhabitants here that don't have better things to do all day than post on getbig where they act like know-it-all-pro-bodybuilders (despite of BEING fat now or at least for some 17 years).
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true'r words were never spoken my friend. A lot of us have full time jobs, kids, a wife, basically RESPONSABILITIES other than our PWO shake. Most of us do not compete. I don't know how these guys have time to weigh out there foods, measure their intake of carbs and protien to the exact mg. I have to get up at 5:30 am just to have time to train, after work is wife/kids/dinner. I am lucky, i am a desk jockey so i can bring my tuna/chicken to work, but i think a lot of guys on here are full of crap, because if everone on here was as strict as they claim then we'd have 10,000 members @ 7 % all year round.
This may come as a shock to you, but many of the posters here (including me) have RESPONSIBILITIES, too: school, jobs, wives, kids, etc.
Bill Pearl won 4 Mr. Universe titles (training as early as 3 a.m.) with a full-time job, a wife, and children. Ronnie Coleman won three of his 8 Mr. Olympias, while working full-time as a cop.
The bodybuilders from yesterday and today DID NOT always have sponsorships from supplement companies or contracts with bodybuilding publications. So, most of them made money, to buy their food and supplements, by working regular jobs. As I said in the other thread ("How much protein do you really eat?"), it's about preparation. What stopping you from cooking your food (in bulk) on the weekend and pre-packaging it, so that's it's ready to go, when you get up for work?
If you can't eat solid food in certain situations, what's stopping you from purchasing shakes (weight gainers, MRPs, or protein powders) to consume in its place, during your day job? You said you’re a "desk jockey". Certainly you can squeeze out 60 seconds of your busy day to tear open a package of MET-Rx/Myoplex/ON Whey Gold Meal, pour it in a shaker, add water, shake, and drink it.
Based on your schedule, I see no reason why your caloric consumption can’t be similar to the following:
- Postworkout shake, immediately after training
- Breakfast at (or on the way to) work
- Protein shake @ 10:00 am
- Lunch @ Noon
- Protein shake @ 2:00 or 3:00 p.m.
That's 5 meals, between the time you finish training to head for work and the time you leave to go home. Dinner with the wife and kids makes a sixth meal. And, if your stomach is up to it, you can have a seventh meal/shake before bed.
Color me crazy, but I don't think that such is an insurmountable task for a self-described "desk jockey".
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This may come as a shock to you, but many of the posters here (including me) have RESPONSIBILITIES, too: school, jobs, wives, kids, etc.
Bill Pearl won 4 Mr. Universe titles (training as early as 3 a.m.) with a full-time job, a wife, and children. Ronnie Coleman won three of his 8 Mr. Olympias, while working full-time as a cop.
The bodybuilders from yesterday and today DID NOT always have sponsorships from supplement companies or contracts with bodybuilding publications. So, most of them made money, to buy their food and supplements, by working regular jobs. As I said in the other thread ("How much protein do you really eat?"), it's about preparation. What stopping you from cooking your food (in bulk) on the weekend and pre-packaging it, so that's it's ready to go, when you get up for work?
If you can't eat solid food in certain situations, what's stopping you from purchasing shakes (weight gainers, MRPs, or protein powders) to consume in its place, during your day job? You said you’re a "desk jockey". Certainly you can squeeze out 60 seconds of your busy day to tear open a package of MET-Rx/Myoplex/ON Whey Gold Meal, pour it in a shaker, add water, shake, and drink it.
Based on your schedule, I see no reason why your caloric consumption can’t be similar to the following:
- Postworkout shake, immediately after training
- Breakfast at (or on the way to) work
- Protein shake @ 10:00 am
- Lunch @ Noon
- Protein shake @ 2:00 or 3:00 p.m.
That's 5 meals, between the time you finish training to head for work and the time you leave to go home. Dinner with the wife and kids makes a sixth meal. And, if your stomach is up to it, you can have a seventh meal/shake before bed.
Color me crazy, but I don't think that such is an insurmountable task for a self-described "desk jockey".
yea ronnie worked a full time job and ate whole food post workout. He only drank one shake a day, first thing in the morning.
And why on earth would u want to drink a shake five times a day when u could be eating whole food and getting better results?? that makes no sense.
The ONLY time a shake should be in someones diet is post workout, if u can eat whole food other times of the day than by all means u should.
Shakes should only be used for convience. NOTHING can replace whole food bro. NOTHING!
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yea ronnie worked a full time job and ate whole food post workout. He only drank one shake a day, first thing in the morning.
And why on earth would u want to drink a shake five times a day when u could be eating whole food and getting better results?? that makes no sense.
The ONLY time a shake should be in someones diet is post workout, if u can eat whole food other times of the day than by all means u should.
Shakes should only be used for convience. NOTHING can replace whole food bro. NOTHING!
That's funny! I could have sworn Ronnie drank a shake IMMEDIATELY after his workout and gobbled his food (often at "Black Eyed Peas" restaurant) some 30 minutes later.
You just re-emphasized my point. Shakes are used for CONVENIENCE. In my particular case, the mornings are the busiest part of my day and the period where I have the LEAST amount of time to consume regular food. Therefore, rather than skipping meals or short-changing myself, nutrient-wise, I consume shakes to ensure I have the calories and protein I need to grow. As the days slows, I have more time; then I can eat and enjoy my food.
The same goes for my reply to Strength. In my example, three of the meals I listed are shakes, which should be consumed when he claims he has the least amount of time to eat regular food. If he can't dine during his day job, the smart move is to DRINK his calories, until he can manage to get his regular meals down. If he were to follow the schedule I listed, even with his training at 5:30 a.m., he's got 5 meals in his tummy, BEFORE he goes home.
This isn't an issue of whole food vs. shakes/supplements. So, I don't know why you're making it into such. Bottom line is I'm not whining about not having the time to eat. Either I make the time to prepare and eat whole foods early in the day; or, I substitute that with shakes, liver tabs, and protein bars (which are portable and can be downed QUICKLY) and eat my solid meals later. I have chosen the latter and am pleased with the results.
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i just down an ALN maximus shake.. protien blend, malto-d, ets, etc. GOOD STUFF! I'm curious about WM though. Seems some people love it and others don't see much of a difference. Either way.. eat after a workout and you'll be fine. ;D
Waxy Maize (at least the one from IDS) tastes like a cross between powdered sugar and chalk.