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friends,,when you write to me about what other say ,,and keep writign it to me that mean to me you didnt read the bible completely ,, you need to read it before asking repetetive questions,, everything is there,,
in regard to the question about doses of testosterona!
WE USE MEGA DOSES OF TESTOSTERONA,,PERIOD!
NOW!,,TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT I WILL GO INTO DETAIL,,
WHEN TOMAS PRINCE SAID TO YOU 1200MG A WEEK ,,WHAT HE MEAN IS HHHHHHHHHUMMMMMMMMMMMMMM AN GRADDDDDE TESTOSTERONA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT HE MEAN IS HE GET UNLIKE YOU THAT GET BUNK BALONIE RIGHT AND LEFT ,,HE GOT SHERING TESTOVIRONAS AND PUT IT INTO HIS RIGHT CHEECK AND LEFT CHEECK EVERY DAY 5 DAYS A WEEK ,,NOW WHYYYYYYYYYYYY DOES IT MATTER? HUMAN GRADE TESTOSTERONA IS SOMETHING THAT IF LEGIT AND HIGH PURITY WILL EXPLODE YOU SO FAST IF LEAN ITS NTO EVEN FUNNY ,,YOU WIL BLOW THE FUCK UP FROM THE INSIDE OUT ON A DAILY BASIS AFTER 17-21 DAYS YOU WILL FLY DUE TO HAVING DELTS THE SIDE OF WINGS,,NOW WHY MANY OF YOU DO NOT SEE THIS? YOU USSSSSSSSSSSSE BUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNK BALONIE,,YOU USE LOW QUALITY POWEDER FROM BUNK UG KIDO THAT SIT AND WORK WITH SHIT AND EVEN THEN HE UNDERDOSE THE SHIT SO YOU GET DOUBLE THE SHIT INTO YOUR FACE WITH A SMILE,,
REMEMBER! FELLAS LIKE THE TWISTER-COACH AND FELLAS AROUND ESPECIALY OLD GENERATION THEY DONT PLAY WITH UNDERGROUND BALONIE,,NTO TO FORGET ONLY 25% OF UNDERGROUND IS LEGIT!! 1 OUT OF 4 WILL BE LEGIT 3 OUT OF 4 COMPLETE GARBAGE!! ,,SO FELLAS LIKE TWISTER HE SAY HE DOES 250MG ANDIN REALITY ITS 500 MG BUT NEVER THE LESS ...IT IS BECAUSE IT IS HIGHES PURITY TESTOSTERONA FROM GALENIKA OR NORMA OR CHERING OR SOME AMERICANO PHARMA WATSON ,, WHEN YOU DO THAT TESTOSTERONA IT IS EQUIVALENT TO ABOUT 5 GRAM OF BUNK FAKE UNDEGROUND TESTOSTERONA....
INORDER TO HAVE GOOD UNDERGROUND TESTOSTERONA YOU NEED GREAT CHEF AND GREAT CHEF THERE ARE NOT MANY ,,ONLY FEW ,,HONESTY IS NOT SOMETHING THE NEW GENERATION LIKE TO FOLLOW ,,AND RAWS FROM CHINA IN MANY CASES ARE GARBAE UNLESS YOU BUY FROM VERY SPECIFIC PLACES,,
LEGIT TESTOSTERONA BLOWS YOU THE FUCK UP IF YOU ARE LEAN ,,IT THICKEN YOU VERY FAST IF YOU ARE LEAN ,,THE MUSCLE VERY FAST BECOMES THICK,,YOU DONT WAIT 10 WEEKS AND YOU DONT WAIT 8 WEEKS ,,WEEK 3 YOU ARE A BLWO UP THICK MOTHER FUCKER ESPECIALY IF ON GH ,,YOU HAVE ALL THE MUSCLE BLOW UP FROMI WITHIN YOU ARE TWICE AS WIDE AND GIV EILLUSION OF VERY BIG FELLA EVEN IF ONLY 200LB,, THIS IS WHAT LEGIT TESTOSTERONA DOES,,
TO ANYONE WHO DOUBT MY WORD TRY GALENIKA TESTOSTERONA AND SEE FOR YOURSELF,,LEGIT TESTOSTERONA OF HIGH QUALITY POWEDER DOESNT LEAVE YOU NO OPTIONS ,,YOU HAVE TO JACK OFF ,,YOU HAVE TO JERK OFF NOT IFS NTO BUTS,, YOU RUN TO THE SHOWER GET IN SIDE AND HAVE TO IMAGINE IN YOUR HEAD THE LAST WHORE YOU SAW IN THE MALL THAT WAS DRESS SLUTTY AND HAD HER NIPPLES ALL SHOWING THROUGH THE SHIRT...AND TOES WERE DONE NICELY,, YOU HAVE TO JERK OFF TO THIS NOT IFS NOT BUTS NO MATTER IF YOU HAVE GIRL OR NOT YOUR BODY WANT TO FUCK AND WHEN IT WANT IT IT WANT! IT ,,AND ON LEGIT TESTTOESTERONA YOUR BODY WANTS IT FROM THE FIRST 30 MIN AFTER INJECTION TO THE UNFORSEEN FUTURE AS LONG AS YOU ARE ON THAT LEGIT TESTOSTERONA,,
ANYONE WHO EVER TRIED LEGIT HUMAN GRADE TESTOSTERONA KNOW WHAT THAT MENAS AND KNOW WHY 50% OF THE KIDOS HERE ARE PLAYING WITH BALONIE BUNK PRODUCTS,,
2 INJECTS OF TESTOSTERONA LIKE NORMA OR GALENIKA WILL MAKE YOU ANIMAL 2 FUCKIN INJECTS ,,SUDDENLY YOU WIOLL UNDERSTAND HOW BODYBUILD ACTUALY LIKE TO TRAIN LEGS,,YOU WILL UNDERSTAND MANY MANY THINGS AND YOU WIL ALSO UNDERSTAND GH15 HATE TWARDS THE LIZARDS OF THE CULT
gh15 approved
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God, can you adopt me ? If you can, this Christmas is goin' to be AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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People say balognie about it taking weeks to feel test but I always feel a big difference when using legit amps of testosterona. Wish I could run nothing but human grade gear.
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I can go from 205 to 225 inside of a month on 250mg a week. Yes from the real stuff. You don't need 1200mg a week. Maybe they did use 1200 a week but I promise you it wasn't necessary.
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friends,,when you write to me about what other say ,,and keep writign it to me that mean to me you didnt read the bible completely ,, you need to read it before asking repetetive questions,, everything is there,,
in regard to the question about doses of testosterona!
WE USE MEGA DOSES OF TESTOSTERONA,,PERIOD!
NOW!,,TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT I WILL GO INTO DETAIL,,
WHEN TOMAS PRINCE SAID TO YOU 1200MG A WEEK ,,WHAT HE MEAN IS HHHHHHHHHUMMMMMMMMMMMMMM AN GRADDDDDE TESTOSTERONA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT HE MEAN IS HE GET UNLIKE YOU THAT GET BUNK BALONIE RIGHT AND LEFT ,,HE GOT SHERING TESTOVIRONAS AND PUT IT INTO HIS RIGHT CHEECK AND LEFT CHEECK EVERY DAY 5 DAYS A WEEK ,,NOW WHYYYYYYYYYYYY DOES IT MATTER? HUMAN GRADE TESTOSTERONA IS SOMETHING THAT IF LEGIT AND HIGH PURITY WILL EXPLODE YOU SO FAST IF LEAN ITS NTO EVEN FUNNY ,,YOU WIL BLOW THE FUCK UP FROM THE INSIDE OUT ON A DAILY BASIS AFTER 17-21 DAYS YOU WILL FLY DUE TO HAVING DELTS THE SIDE OF WINGS,,NOW WHY MANY OF YOU DO NOT SEE THIS? YOU USSSSSSSSSSSSE BUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNK BALONIE,,YOU USE LOW QUALITY POWEDER FROM BUNK UG KIDO THAT SIT AND WORK WITH SHIT AND EVEN THEN HE UNDERDOSE THE SHIT SO YOU GET DOUBLE THE SHIT INTO YOUR FACE WITH A SMILE,,
REMEMBER! FELLAS LIKE THE TWISTER-COACH AND FELLAS AROUND ESPECIALY OLD GENERATION THEY DONT PLAY WITH UNDERGROUND BALONIE,,NTO TO FORGET ONLY 25% OF UNDERGROUND IS LEGIT!! 1 OUT OF 4 WILL BE LEGIT 3 OUT OF 4 COMPLETE GARBAGE!! ,,SO FELLAS LIKE TWISTER HE SAY HE DOES 250MG ANDIN REALITY ITS 500 MG BUT NEVER THE LESS ...IT IS BECAUSE IT IS HIGHES PURITY TESTOSTERONA FROM GALENIKA OR NORMA OR CHERING OR SOME AMERICANO PHARMA WATSON ,, WHEN YOU DO THAT TESTOSTERONA IT IS EQUIVALENT TO ABOUT 5 GRAM OF BUNK FAKE UNDEGROUND TESTOSTERONA....
INORDER TO HAVE GOOD UNDERGROUND TESTOSTERONA YOU NEED GREAT CHEF AND GREAT CHEF THERE ARE NOT MANY ,,ONLY FEW ,,HONESTY IS NOT SOMETHING THE NEW GENERATION LIKE TO FOLLOW ,,AND RAWS FROM CHINA IN MANY CASES ARE GARBAE UNLESS YOU BUY FROM VERY SPECIFIC PLACES,,
LEGIT TESTOSTERONA BLOWS YOU THE FUCK UP IF YOU ARE LEAN ,,IT THICKEN YOU VERY FAST IF YOU ARE LEAN ,,THE MUSCLE VERY FAST BECOMES THICK,,YOU DONT WAIT 10 WEEKS AND YOU DONT WAIT 8 WEEKS ,,WEEK 3 YOU ARE A BLWO UP THICK MOTHER FUCKER ESPECIALY IF ON GH ,,YOU HAVE ALL THE MUSCLE BLOW UP FROMI WITHIN YOU ARE TWICE AS WIDE AND GIV EILLUSION OF VERY BIG FELLA EVEN IF ONLY 200LB,, THIS IS WHAT LEGIT TESTOSTERONA DOES,,
TO ANYONE WHO DOUBT MY WORD TRY GALENIKA TESTOSTERONA AND SEE FOR YOURSELF,,LEGIT TESTOSTERONA OF HIGH QUALITY POWEDER DOESNT LEAVE YOU NO OPTIONS ,,YOU HAVE TO JACK OFF ,,YOU HAVE TO JERK OFF NOT IFS NTO BUTS,, YOU RUN TO THE SHOWER GET IN SIDE AND HAVE TO IMAGINE IN YOUR HEAD THE LAST WHORE YOU SAW IN THE MALL THAT WAS DRESS SLUTTY AND HAD HER NIPPLES ALL SHOWING THROUGH THE SHIRT...AND TOES WERE DONE NICELY,, YOU HAVE TO JERK OFF TO THIS NOT IFS NOT BUTS NO MATTER IF YOU HAVE GIRL OR NOT YOUR BODY WANT TO FUCK AND WHEN IT WANT IT IT WANT! IT ,,AND ON LEGIT TESTTOESTERONA YOUR BODY WANTS IT FROM THE FIRST 30 MIN AFTER INJECTION TO THE UNFORSEEN FUTURE AS LONG AS YOU ARE ON THAT LEGIT TESTOSTERONA,,
ANYONE WHO EVER TRIED LEGIT HUMAN GRADE TESTOSTERONA KNOW WHAT THAT MENAS AND KNOW WHY 50% OF THE KIDOS HERE ARE PLAYING WITH BALONIE BUNK PRODUCTS,,
2 INJECTS OF TESTOSTERONA LIKE NORMA OR GALENIKA WILL MAKE YOU ANIMAL 2 FUCKIN INJECTS ,,SUDDENLY YOU WIOLL UNDERSTAND HOW BODYBUILD ACTUALY LIKE TO TRAIN LEGS,,YOU WILL UNDERSTAND MANY MANY THINGS AND YOU WIL ALSO UNDERSTAND GH15 HATE TWARDS THE LIZARDS OF THE CULT
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No, the only way to go is mega dosing Zinc. Only Zinc gives you legitimate(straight from your testicles) testosterone. Everything else is crap.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I remeber my first cvcle 5 years ago. Legit human grade sustanon amps I was using 2 a week. I was so horny all of the time. I would jerk off 2-3 times a day at the least. It was almost painful I was so horned up.
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not the sizes or condition im talking about,,for that you need hgh and mega dose testosterona ,, even if human grade you will need an ampola a day,, never the less 500mg of galenika testosterona or omnadran = 5 gram! of bunk underground balonie since most fella stuck in their ass 25 mg of testosterona everytime they inject some underground balonie,,yes there ae few good underground which mainly have great chefs that are honest and workin with moderate to high quality poweders but! in most cases 3 out of 4 ....they work with balonie and even with this balonie they put 30mg in the vial insted of the 300mg they write on label!,,
this! is why you see the diff in the number that thomas tell you and what you do ,,because even with shit you can get high ,,,you just need to inject enough so if you take 3 grams of shit...you will get 500-750 mg of better shit into your blood,,very simple
one inject of schering testosterona from germany will tell you the whollllle story behind bodybuild....
bodybuild = ALL DRUGS ALL DRUGS ALL DRUGS,,but the bodybuild is someone who is knowlegable in that department if he ends up sucesful!,,and ofcourse the dumb one has guru which is same thing that think for him and hook the drugs up ,,as simple las that
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I remeber my first cvcle 5 years ago. Legit human grade sustanon amps I was using 2 a week. I was so horny all of the time. I would jerk off 2-3 times a day at the least. It was almost painful I was so horned up.
yep,, you dont have to wiat for nothing with legit testosterona ,,you fucin swole on spot,, you get horny on spot within hours minutes! after it go into blood,,you get thick and you get comments by the day! every week you become larger ,,and if on gh and trenbolona after 3 weeks everyone will thikn you are competetive bodybuild and will call you HUGE ,,they will actualy say you are huge not big but huge! ,,and ofcourse everything is bf% dependent but on legit gh legit testosterona and legit trenbolona you only lose fat and can never gain fat no matter what,,only water game
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Test should be kept low, no more than 500-750mg tops. 750 might even be too much to achieve optimal condiditoning. Anabolics should be higher in doses that test itself.
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BtW, "mega doses" of test is not only not necessary but really really fucking stupid.
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Test should be kept low, no more than 500-750mg tops. 750 might even be too much to achieve optimal condiditoning. Anabolics should be higher in doses that test itself.
no!!,, thasts why you never got anywhere in bodybuild!! ,,you do not fuckin listen ,,mega dose testosterona is very very important to go along with hgh to explode the new fibers who are created from the first second! gh is in blood,, the more testosterona you take the better you will get to a point ofcourse of diminishing returns,,this point is somwhere around 4 gram,, read it carefully !,, with human grade testosterona we use 1-2 grams ...
you have much much to learn ,,yes the anabolics are there at doses of 1-2 grams but this is aside from that,,
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but when prepping you recommend how much test prop per week ???
also do you up the dose on the anabolics while switching to prop/ decreasing test dosage
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Look Jr....let's get one thing through your thick fat skull, I never wanted to get anywhere in this God forsaken industry. That being said, mega doses of anything are the reason why todays bodybuilders look like shit, big with lack of separation and striations, they're lower in fat but look like total shit and its because of people like you that advocate and suggest those doses. You might or might not say directly but you're suggesting to the naïve numbnut kid on here that's they way to go, I call total bullshit on that.
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New fibers???
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Look Jr....let's get one thing through your thick fat skull, I never wanted to get anywhere in this God forsaken industry. That being said, mega doses of anything are the reason why todays bodybuilders look like shit, big with lack of separation and striations, they're lower in fat but look like total shit and its because of people like you that advocate and suggest those doses. You might or might not say directly but you're suggesting to the naïve numbnut kid on here that's they way to go, I call total bullshit on that.
no twister,, inorder to be anything in the cult you need mega dose of testosterona,,yes when human grade highest quality you can pass by with 1200mg...reaility of the matter is that 1-2 grams testosterona is VERY COMMON,, the end!
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New fibers???
yes,, human grade hormone creates NEW MUSCLE FIBERS ...AKA INCREASE YOUR MUSCLE FIBERS WHICH LATER ON LET YOU BY THE USAGE OF AAS BLOW THEM UP FROM WITHIN !,,THIS IS WHY YOU SEE WHAT YOU SEE SINZE THE 90S,,THIS IS WHY ARNOLD WAS 6'2 225 ...AND FELLAS NOW DAYS ARE 5'8 245.....SAME BODYFAT OR LESS!,,
YOU ARE TWISTER OF THE TRUTH !,, YOU YOURSELF SIT 220 AT 5'6 WHICH IS HORMONIZED NUMBER AND NOT JUST LITTLE HORMONIZED BUT BIG TIME HORMONIZED....AND YET YOU TWIST THE TRUTH ,,WHY? ITS IN YOUR BLOOD ,,JUST PART OF WHO YOU ARE,,CANT FIX AN OLD GEEZER JUST MAKE SURE THE PUPILS KNOW THE TRUTH!
you really think that mustaf would be looking liek he did with out mega dose gh? he was all new muscle fibers that fella had no nothing before gh he was just another avaerage bodybuild,,do you think rolley was antying before gh? he was a fuckin gym rat! didnt have nothing ,,not that today he look anything special but! look what happened to him due to muscle fibers that increased due to hgh usage and lots of it + testosterona
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LMAO..hahaha.
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Like I said, the bodybuilders of today look like shit (todays cult).
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gh15 how about your opinion on Italian Testovis propionate? tnx
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You all confuse something important Tom Prince never said "1200mg a week"
he said "over 1200mg a day"
i guess he passed 1200mg a day now do the math...
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First it was high test....then came the low/cycling test trend and now we go back to high test.
lmao
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First it was high test....then came the low/cycling test trend and now we go back to high test.
lmao
no,,HIGH TEST FOR GROWTH! cycle test for PREP COMPETITION ! ,,,million times said this before,,
high testosterona and no gh will do nothing for you ,,either prime gh into body or be on it while doing high testosterona,,
very simple concept,,
cycling testosterona is only for one and only one reason ,,REDUCTION OF WATER TO REVEAL MORE AND MORE DEFINITION AND FINALY GETTING RIPPED AND THEN CHIZELED,,OFCOURSE YOU CAN OD IT WITH DIURETIC IF YOU KNOW YOUR BODYBUILD AND ADVANCE BODYBUILD,,BUT SINCE I KNOW HALF OF THE FELLAS HERE ARE ONLY GYM WARIORS THEN I DO BOTH THE ADVANCE BODYBUILD RECOMENDATIONS AND THE GYM WARRIOR RECOMENDATION SO EVERYONE IS HAPPY
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so overall how much test prop/week when prepping ?
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it depends,, depends on what weight class you compete,, if you take 5'10 fella he can get himself to be 200lb 6% and maintain it! with 50mg propioneta every second day and 150mg trenbolona ace every second day ,,that = 150-200mg propioneta a week
it depends on what weight class you compete,,height and lean size...
what i can assure you is that no 5'6 go on stage 200lb while using little testosterona lol,,5'6 wil be hardly 150 lb clean in good condition,,they ar every little ,,so 5'6 fella 200lb on stage is pretty much A D R U G addict!
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Too much testosterone in the system...I hate it. And for me 1000mg/week is too much. Not too much for bodybuilding, but too much for a normal human being. And I know guys using 5000mg/week (and Galenika!). ??? :-\
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Too much testosterone in the system...I hate it. And for me 1000mg/week is too much. Not too much for bodybuilding, but too much for a normal human being. And I know guys using 5000mg/week (and Galenika!). ??? :-\
1-2 grams of galenika shoudl be enough ,,if you cant do anything with it then your place is not bodybuild,, even 500mg of galenika shows its power after coupel days,, its just very high purity tested poweder as simple as that
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Too much testosterone in the system...I hate it. And for me 1000mg/week is too much. Not too much for bodybuilding, but too much for a normal human being. And I know guys using 5000mg/week (and Galenika!). ??? :-\
I would be absolutely shocked to see someone taking 5 grams...That is just plain idiotic.
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Too much testosterone in the system...I hate it. And for me 1000mg/week is too much. Not too much for bodybuilding, but too much for a normal human being. And I know guys using 5000mg/week (and Galenika!). ??? :-\
Galenika test sucks. get you some Iranian test-e the shit is strong! it's probably your best bet for hg test. All these fake ICN's are from Bulgaria and fake as your gf's tits.
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Galenika test sucks. get you some Iranian test-e the shit is strong! it's probably your best bet for hg test. All these fake ICN's are from Bulgaria and fake as your gf's tits.
um NO!,,this is bad bad bad information given out,, galnika is one of the best human grade testosterona around now day and for quite some time,, iranian is the faked one ,,iranian test is faked TREMENDLSLY by ip ,,and he is good at faking them ,,sometime nothing but oil! ,,very very careful when buy them friends! again if you buy from ret is one thing,,but most get fake balonie,,some carry real deal but you need to know those some...
in any case,,i wouldnt buy anything from iran to begin with
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um NO!,,this is bad bad bad information given out,, galnika is one of the best human grade testosterona around now day and for quite some time,, iranian is the faked one ,,iranian test is faked TREMENDLSLY by ip ,,and he is good at faking them ,,sometime nothing but oil! ,,very very careful when buy them friends! again if you buy from ret is one thing,,but most get fake balonie,,some carry real deal but you need to know those some...
in any case,,i wouldnt buy anything from iran to begin with
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Look bro you obviously are not up to par with the game as of 2009. Yes galenika was the BEST test at one point. Cheap, overfilled, easy to get, and it worked like a charm. But gear is getting harder and harder to get out of Serbia and Bulgarians are faking it left and right. I was very shady on Iranian test as well until I tried it myself and blew up. Yes it is faked alot I totally agree sadly :-\.. but you still have an idea of what to look for as most fakes suck unlike norma for example where the fakes are damn perfect... and if you have a good connect you are g2g as Iranis are one of the few HG items any source can buy in bulk. Go pm you know who about it..his name starts with F and ends with A. I dont even thnk he carries ICN's anymore I'll check..mainly Farmak prop. But yes, I do agree Iranis are faked often but it is what it is.
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Look bro you obviously are not up to par with the game as of 2009. Yes galenika was the BEST test at one point. Cheap, overfilled, easy to get, and it worked like a charm. But gear is getting harder and harder to get out of Serbia and Bulgarians are faking it left and right. I was very shady on Iranian test as well until I tried it myself and blew up. Yes it is faked alot I totally agree sadly :-\.. but you still have an idea of what to look for as most fakes suck unlike norma for example where the fakes are damn perfect... and if you have a good connect you are g2g as Iranis are one of the few HG items any source can buy in bulk. Go pm you know who about it..his name starts with F and ends with A. I dont even thnk he carries ICN's anymore I'll check..mainly Farmak prop. But yes, I do agree Iranis are faked often but it is what it is.
it is same with any human grade,, the source is the key,, i can tell you right now ...that as of the last 30 days.... galenika is pass with shining colors,, and all the factory is updating me on regular basis,, from the old blue letter that is easy to erase with tumb and aclohol that is legit,, to the purple browish that is perfect legit testosterona toooo the last current ampolas with the dot and the dark blue letters that are ceramic,,
friend,, im god of hormones ,,im nto some no one ,,comon now reading me for so long,,what flora? im god of hormones GOD OF HORMONES NOT SOME FUCKIN SOURCE WHO IS DEALING WITH LITTLE PARTS
all the factories kiss my ass on regular basis,, i get updates every week even when i dont give a fuck to hear about it they send me updates
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it is same with any human grade,, the source is the key,, i can tell you right now ...that as of the last 30 days.... galenika is pass with shining colors,, and all the factory is updating me on regular basis,, from the old blue letter that is easy to erase with tumb and aclohol that is legit,, to the purple browish that is perfect legit testosterona toooo the last current ampolas with the dot and the dark blue letters that are ceramic,,
friend,, im god of hormones ,,im nto some no one ,,comon now reading me for so long,,what flora? im god of hormones GOD OF HORMONES NOT SOME FUCKIN SOURCE WHO IS DEALING WITH LITTLE PARTS
all the factories kiss my ass on regular basis,, i get updates every week even when i dont give a fuck to hear about it they send me updates
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that is the thing with galenikas. Which is legit? The new cemeric ink with the laser printing? The purple and the brown? The light blue that rub off easily with fingers? Lots of guys on OLM selling fake ICN's and I know that for fact especially that Alexzap. I may try the new ones from my main guy..And when did I say you were Flora? I just know he sold legit ICN's at one point.
I may take gh15's advice and pm m souce about those new icn's with the cemeric ink..
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that is the thing with galenikas. Which is legit? The new cemeric ink with the laser printing? The purple and the brown? The light blue that rub off easily with fingers? Lots of guys on OLM selling fake ICN's and I know that for fact especially that Alexzap. I may try the new ones from my main guy..And when did I say you were Flora? I just know he sold legit ICN's at one point.
I may take gh15's advice and pm m souce about those new icn's with the cemeric ink..
alex is gh15 approved!,,with capital A,, he sell lefgit galenika,,
and about the legitimcay,,ALL 3 ARE LEGIT,,it is the company who change the color and style ,,this is how the company operate in good ole yuguslavia,,rememebr companys need to buy ampolas too,, they need to use machine to print and they change styles ,,some dont do it often some do ,,same as omnadran changed styles,,
the proof is in the pudding,,
the ampolas flora sold who were the bwonish purplish ink were legit and used by 4 diff ifbb profesionals all reported great great great reaction to it,,
the old navy blue is alwyas legit thats how it used to be to begin with ,,with the fakes that came up BY IP... in 2004 before he discovered its nto worth to fake those ampolas due to the low financial benefit since they are extremly extremly cheap....those fakes were ceramik dark blue byt with no dot and you could see theere was no poweder in the oil when sliding updisde down ,,,you could see it ,,that! was oil,,
the new one from galenika is with dark ceramic letters and dot ,,those are LEGIT and they are as good as all the other ampolas coming from galnika,,
infact with galenika it is quite easily to see... and with everyhuman grade to that matter, you just tke inject..you wake up with wood ,.,period not ifs not buts,, and then after you jerk off...within 2 hours you need to do it again ,,and you will be late to gym! ,,
galenika is better than iranian testosterona ...less bunk of it and just better over all company ,,
always trust your source,,
again alex is approved by gh15
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All I can say is I do NOT recommend shooting 8 amps a week of ICN gelinka.
Unless you are Ronnie Coleman anyway...
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All I can say is I do NOT recommend shooting 8 amps a week of ICN gelinka.
Unless you are Ronnie Coleman anyway...
1 amp a day is a VERY common dose among just about every bodybuillder and is hardly excessive. However, what gh15 reccomends is a tried and true dose.. Look at Spike 1 amp a day of test. You think gh15 is joking around when he says 1 amp of test every day with breakfast? That is the minimum to get the size these guys carry
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What is it about everything flintstones says that makes him sound like he's FOS? I read your post about how you thought you fucked up your first dose of GH just weeks ago, why are you here trying to tell gh15 what's what and posting misinformation?
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What is it about everything flintstones says that makes him sound like he's FOS? I read your post about how you thought you fucked up your first dose of GH just weeks ago, why are you here trying to tell gh15 what's what and posting misinformation?
First of all you have no idea who I am, how old I am, or the drugs I have run. Only an idiot would tell their exact age on a websight discussing illegal drugs so if I say I'm 20 I could be 40 for all you know or 24 or 34 or 60 whatever.... And I never said I had much experience with gh. Never could afford it. Notice my posts are on AASonly AAS! Also I am a fan of gh15 and like him alot, I sometimes challenge him to get more info out of the guy....anyways The above posts in this thread are 100%accurate.
gh15 is a great guy for all he does. Do you think he would be held in such high regard with the chosen people if he wasn't?
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I thought gh15 said high doses of test wasn't a good idea? I don't think the guys in the 70s did high doses of test.
Hey gh15 what do you think of this cycle:
Test 1-14 250 week
Tren E 1-10 500 week
Eq 1-10 500 week
Adex throughout
Hcg end of cycle
Pct:
Nolva and Clomid
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I thought gh15 said high doses of test wasn't a good idea? I don't think the guys in the 70s did high doses of test.
Hey gh15 what do you think of this cycle:
Test 1-14 250 week
Tren E 1-10 500 week
Eq 1-10 500 week
Adex throughout
Hcg end of cycle
Pct:
Nolva and Clomid
he said high doses of test without gh is a waste of time.
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You're kissing ass and then turning around and insulting the same person by trying to put on an image of something you're not. I know how old you are because you imply that age = authority, you are too old to be posting on a forum made for young men. I also know how many drugs you've had in your system, not that many, because here I am calling you out on your obvious BS. There's no getting on gh15's good side by trying to have more status than you deserve. He's climbed the ranks and stayed at the top for a long time, he sees pretenders like you coming from a mile away and will only give you enough respect to keep you licking at his chops like you are now. If you called him a great person to his face, he would probably laugh. He's ruined the lives of more than a handful of people, if you consider criminals going to jail and all the things that happen to criminals in jail a life ruined. But that's the kind of thing that people with lots of power (much more power than you will ever have) do. Keep playing with your doses and keep your nose out of people's asses cause the brown goes all the way to your neck.
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1 amp a day is a VERY common dose among just about every bodybuillder and is hardly excessive. However, what gh15 reccomends is a tried and true dose.. Look at Spike 1 amp a day of test. You think gh15 is joking around when he says 1 amp of test every day with breakfast? That is the minimum to get the size these guys carry
I was just throwing that out there, since I tried it and ended up in the hospital. Just my own personal experience...
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You're kissing ass and then turning around and insulting the same person by trying to put on an image of something you're not. I know how old you are because you imply that age = authority, you are too old to be posting on a forum made for young men. I also know how many drugs you've had in your system, not that many, because here I am calling you out on your obvious BS. There's no getting on gh15's good side by trying to have more status than you deserve. He's climbed the ranks and stayed at the top for a long time, he sees pretenders like you coming from a mile away and will only give you enough respect to keep you licking at his chops like you are now. If you called him a great person to his face, he would probably laugh. He's ruined the lives of more than a handful of people, if you consider criminals going to jail and all the things that happen to criminals in jail a life ruined. But that's the kind of thing that people with lots of power (much more power than you will ever have) do. Keep playing with your doses and keep your nose out of people's asses cause the brown goes all the way to your neck.
bitch who the fuck are you to tell me wat I have run? And the fact that he helps bodybuilders without anything in return and helps people reach their dream makes him a good guy. A narcistic, arrogant, insane individual he is but a good dude nonethe less in my opinion. BTW more than one person on here knows me in real life, I am no gimmick(:
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bitch who the fuck are you to tell me wat I have run? And the fact that he helps bodybuilders without anything in return and helps people reach their dream makes him a good guy. A narcistic, arrogant, insane individual he is but a good dude nonethe less in my opinion. BTW more than one person on here knows me in real life, I am no gimmick(:
You're a fucking fraud & entirely full of shit. By the way: Nobody likes you, in case you haven't noticed.
I'd dance and piss on your grave.
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I just hot hold of some human grade stuff now its dosed 200mg per 2ml but its strong mind you i am mixing with tri tren and equipose
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I was just throwing that out there, since I tried it and ended up in the hospital. Just my own personal experience...
What happened ?
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You're a fucking fraud & entirely full of shit. By the way: Nobody likes you, in case you haven't noticed.
I'd dance and piss on your grave.
Tbombz ;) a guy who actually knows what he is talking about
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Tbombz ;) a guy who actually knows what he is talking about
LOL.....Good one!!
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I took Mexican testoviron years ago and got nothing from it. The testosterone that gave me best results was Brazilian Durateston...I injected 2 ampoules at once and 30 minutes latter I couldn't sit straight and had huge boners. I felt an incredible urge to workout and I benched over some 30 lbs more weight that day for 3 more reps. Crazy. A few days latter I could see veins popping on my chest and arms. Also, your appetite increases a lot. You can't stop eating. You also feel like exercising all day long. The only negative is that you blow up from water retention. I think the highest test I've taken was 1,500 mg a week. Never went over that. I started to get headaches and chest pain so I stopped.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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It is important to point out that the average male produces 5 mg of test a day. So 1,500 mg a week adds up to over 40 times your base testosterone levels. Only at this level does testosterone really start to show it's power. This is why I think test is one of the worse steroids. Deca, Primobolan and even Anavar all give you more lean muscle mass gains than test at much lower doses. Sure, test gives you a lot more weight gain, but it's mostly water. 50 mg of deca a day will give you more lean muscle mass increase than 200 mg of test a day, even though you will gain more weight and strength on the testosterone - water retention increases strength by lubricating joints.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I took Mexican testoviron years ago and got nothing from it. The testosterone that gave me best results was Brazilian Durateston...I injected 2 ampoules at once and 30 minutes latter I couldn't sit straight and had huge boners. I felt an incredible urge to workout and I benched over some 30 lbs more weight that day for 3 more reps. Crazy. A few days latter I could see veins popping on my chest and arms. Also, your appetite increases a lot. You can't stop eating. You also feel like exercising all day long. The only negative is that you blow up from water retention. I think the highest test I've taken was 1,500 mg a week. Never went over that. I started to get headaches and chest pain so I stopped.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
What in god's name motivated you to inject two amp's at once ????
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HOW OFTEN IS HUMAN GRADE GEAR GONNA COME OUT FAKE?
IF UGL IS UGL, AND HG BECOMES FAKED A LOT. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU GET SOME GOOD SHIT.
LUCKY, I GOT SOME QUALITY Q PHARMA. I LOVED IT 8 WEEKS IN AND THEN BOUGHT A BULK SUPPLY. LOOKING TO SWITCH IT UP, AND I GUESS I GOTTA TRUST MY SOURCE. GONNA GO PROLLY TESTOVIRON BAYER/SCHERING OR NORMA GREECE TEST E. NORMA IS $20 CHEAPER SO MAY GO FOR THAT IF I BUY 20 AMPS. MAY JUST BUY 50, BUT DONT WANT A BUNK 50. YA FEEL ME?
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What in god's name motivated you to inject two amp's at once ????
Lol, I once injected 4 at once, for a total of one gram of test. It was a lot of oil. I am talking a 10 cc gauge here.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Lol, I once injected 4 at once, for a total of one gram of test. It was a lot of oil. I am talking a 10 cc gauge here.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Ah. Gotcha. :)
That's still one hell of an experience ! Lol ! For what it's worth, Smm, I actually like readin' your posts. :)
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Gh15 what do you think about the "king" shipping out Iran hg test with wrong batch dates on them? Obviously fakes, and they had to of known the batch dates were off with the batch number on the vials
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Ah. Gotcha. :)
That's still one hell of an experience ! Lol ! For what it's worth, Smm, I actually like readin' your posts. :)
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that is the thing with galenikas. Which is legit? The new cemeric ink with the laser printing? The purple and the brown? The light blue that rub off easily with fingers? Lots of guys on OLM selling fake ICN's and I know that for fact especially that Alexzap. I may try the new ones from my main guy..And when did I say you were Flora? I just know he sold legit ICN's at one point.
I may take gh15's advice and pm m souce about those new icn's with the cemeric ink..
Whoa. How do you know FOR A FACT that Alex's ICNs were fakes? He's long time in the biz and although it's been about a year since I've used him his ICNS were always top notch. Thats pretty much all he deals with (at least at the time) and seems to have good connects with that brand.
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First of all you have no idea who I am, how old I am, or the drugs I have run. Only an idiot would tell their exact age on a websight discussing illegal drugs so if I say I'm 20 I could be 40 for all you know or 24 or 34 or 60 whatever.... And I never said I had much experience with gh. Never could afford it. Notice my posts are on AASonly AAS! Also I am a fan of gh15 and like him alot, I sometimes challenge him to get more info out of the guy....anyways The above posts in this thread are 100%accurate.
gh15 is a great guy for all he does. Do you think he would be held in such high regard with the chosen people if he wasn't?
If you're somewhat new to HGH why are you claiming that Rips are the shit and much better than Thanks?
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I took Mexican testoviron years ago and got nothing from it. The testosterone that gave me best results was Brazilian Durateston...I injected 2 ampoules at once and 30 minutes latter I couldn't sit straight and had huge boners. I felt an incredible urge to workout and I benched over some 30 lbs more weight that day for 3 more reps. Crazy. A few days latter I could see veins popping on my chest and arms. Also, your appetite increases a lot. You can't stop eating. You also feel like exercising all day long. The only negative is that you blow up from water retention. I think the highest test I've taken was 1,500 mg a week. Never went over that. I started to get headaches and chest pain so I stopped.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
No you didn't. And nothing like that ever happened. You just made that all up. Why do you do this?
Just make up stories? Seriously. Just shut up. Just shut up, stupid.
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No you didn't. And nothing like that ever happened. You just made that all up. Why do you do this?
Just make up stories? Seriously. Just shut up. Just shut up, stupid.
Are you saying he's not a 6'6'' 280lbs 2% bf 285 IQ Ex-Navy SEAL Delta Foce Green Beret, heir to a European Casino mogul living in Brasil killing German Shepherds with his bare hands for fun?? :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Hi, Mike.
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gh15 que é que tu achas do sustenon organon português?
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I took Mexican testoviron years ago and got nothing from it. The testosterone that gave me best results was Brazilian Durateston...I injected 2 ampoules at once and 30 minutes latter I couldn't sit straight and had huge boners. I felt an incredible urge to workout and I benched over some 30 lbs more weight that day for 3 more reps. Crazy. A few days latter I could see veins popping on my chest and arms. Also, your appetite increases a lot. You can't stop eating. You also feel like exercising all day long. The only negative is that you blow up from water retention. I think the highest test I've taken was 1,500 mg a week. Never went over that. I started to get headaches and chest pain so I stopped.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
LMAO This proves you are a gimmick hahahaha ;D
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YOU HAVE TO JACK OFF ,,YOU HAVE TO JERK OFF NOT IFS NTO BUTS,, YOU RUN TO THE SHOWER GET IN SIDE AND HAVE TO IMAGINE IN YOUR HEAD THE LAST WHORE YOU SAW IN THE MALL THAT WAS DRESS SLUTTY AND HAD HER NIPPLES ALL SHOWING THROUGH THE SHIRT...AND TOES WERE DONE NICELY,, YOU HAVE TO JERK OFF TO THIS NOT IFS NOT BUTS NO MATTER IF YOU HAVE GIRL OR NOT YOUR BODY WANT TO FUCK AND WHEN IT WANT IT IT WANT! IT
This! ;D
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LMAO This proves you are a gimmick hahahaha ;D
How is that not true? Millions of people in the World have taken these doses and even more. You guys are truly dumb. No, you reallly are. Just yell bullshit at anything without using those fucking brains for nothing.
SUCKYMUSCLE
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Galenica testosterone are good. Overfilled too. 8) ;D
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I took Mexican testoviron years ago and got nothing from it. The testosterone that gave me best results was Brazilian Durateston...I injected 2 ampoules at once and 30 minutes latter I couldn't sit straight and had huge boners. I felt an incredible urge to workout and I benched over some 30 lbs more weight that day for 3 more reps. Crazy. A few days latter I could see veins popping on my chest and arms. Also, your appetite increases a lot. You can't stop eating. You also feel like exercising all day long. The only negative is that you blow up from water retention. I think the highest test I've taken was 1,500 mg a week. Never went over that. I started to get headaches and chest pain so I stopped.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Come on dude...............we`d have to be brand fucking new in town to believe this total bullshit!
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How is that not true? Millions of people in the World have taken these doses and even more. You guys are truly dumb. No, you reallly are. Just yell bullshit at anything without using those fucking brains for nothing.
SUCKYMUSCLE
You are truly stupid. No, you really are.
Shut up, stupid.
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What's this guy on?
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alex is gh15 approved!,,with capital A,, he sell lefgit galenika,,
and about the legitimcay,,ALL 3 ARE LEGIT,,it is the company who change the color and style ,,this is how the company operate in good ole yuguslavia,,rememebr companys need to buy ampolas too,, they need to use machine to print and they change styles ,,some dont do it often some do ,,same as omnadran changed styles,,
the proof is in the pudding,,
the ampolas flora sold who were the bwonish purplish ink were legit and used by 4 diff ifbb profesionals all reported great great great reaction to it,,
the old navy blue is alwyas legit thats how it used to be to begin with ,,with the fakes that came up BY IP... in 2004 before he discovered its nto worth to fake those ampolas due to the low financial benefit since they are extremly extremly cheap....those fakes were ceramik dark blue byt with no dot and you could see theere was no poweder in the oil when sliding updisde down ,,,you could see it ,,that! was oil,,
the new one from galenika is with dark ceramic letters and dot ,,those are LEGIT and they are as good as all the other ampolas coming from galnika,,
infact with galenika it is quite easily to see... and with everyhuman grade to that matter, you just tke inject..you wake up with wood ,.,period not ifs not buts,, and then after you jerk off...within 2 hours you need to do it again ,,and you will be late to gym! ,,
galenika is better than iranian testosterona ...less bunk of it and just better over all company ,,
always trust your source,,
again alex is approved by gh15
gh15 approved
Does this shit look real?
This is something that surfaced locally, and I don't know the source per se.
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What's this guy on?
Double mocha latte.
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You are truly stupid. No, you really are.
Shut up, stupid.
Say my name, say my name... ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Does this shit look real?
This is something that surfaced locally, and I don't know the source per se.
Those are g2g van. And they are overfilled. Some of the best test ive had yet.
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Double mocha latte.
:D
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I took Mexican testoviron years ago and got nothing from it. The testosterone that gave me best results was Brazilian Durateston...I injected 2 ampoules at once and 30 minutes latter I couldn't sit straight and had huge boners. I felt an incredible urge to workout and I benched over some 30 lbs more weight that day for 3 more reps. Crazy. A few days latter I could see veins popping on my chest and arms. Also, your appetite increases a lot. You can't stop eating. You also feel like exercising all day long. The only negative is that you blow up from water retention. I think the highest test I've taken was 1,500 mg a week. Never went over that. I started to get headaches and chest pain so I stopped.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
That's total bullshit!
Are you serious?: "30 minutes later I had a huge boner" LMAO.
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That's total bullshit!
Are you serious?: "30 minutes later I had a huge boner" LMAO.
I KNOW LOL. DONT BULLSHIT US WE ALL KNOW U GOT A WIDE VAG.
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lol suckmymuscle
biggest bullshitter ever hahaha
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What's this guy on?
Getbig.com
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How is that not true? Millions of people in the World have taken these doses and even more. You guys are truly dumb. No, you reallly are. Just yell bullshit at anything without using those fucking brains for nothing.
SUCKYMUSCLE
There wouldnt be enough active ingredient in your blood stream to have that result after 30 mins dummy ::)
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There wouldnt be enough active ingredient in your blood stream to have that result after 30 mins dummy ::)
Sigh...Placebo effect...Why are you all having these sad discussions? I mean, I seriously enjoy myself here, but I have to really shake my head in disbelief at some of the moronic things that I read here...
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Sigh...Placebo effect...Why are you all having these sad discussions? I mean, I seriously enjoy myself here, but I have to really shake my head in disbelief at some of the moronic things that I read here...
But he is for real in thinking it was the Durateston thats why it's so funny cos he claims an IQ of 240 hahaha
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There wouldnt be enough active ingredient in your blood stream to have that result after 30 mins dummy.
Nah, nah...ready to get owned(for the millionth time)? Durateston is made up of half testosterone propionate, which gets into the bloodstream in 20(not 30) minutes. Consider yourself owned, dumbass. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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But he is for real in thinking it was the Durateston thats why it's so funny cos he claims an IQ of 240 hahaha
Lol, dude. I never claimed an IQ of 240. My IQ is around 225 - tests are not able to measure it accurately because it's too far above the tests' ceilings.
SUCKYMUSCLE
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Nah, nah...ready to get owned(for the millionth time)? Durateston is made up of half testosterone propionate, which gets into the bloodstream in 20(not 30) minutes. Consider yourself owned, dumbass. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
It doesnt matter stupid, it would not have an effect like that after your first shot , "maybe" after a couple of days but not in 30 mins - god you are full of shit its funny :D
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It doesnt matter stupid, it would not have an effect like that after your first shot , "maybe" after a couple of days but not in 30 mins - god you are full of shit its funny :D
Yes it would, dummy. Testosterone propionate is very fast acting. There are very few Carbon atoms attached to the testosterone molecule, unlike enanthate or cypionate, so it gets hydrolized quickly and the testosterone reaches the bloodstream. This is straight from Shering's manual. Why the fuck can't you understand this?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Yes it would, dummy. Testosterone propionate is very fast acting. There are very few Carbon atoms attached to the testosterone molecule, unlike enanthate or cypionate, so it gets hydrolized quickly and the testosterone reaches the bloodstream. This is straight from Shering's manual. Why the fuck can't you understand this?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
The half life of propionate is 1 day (24 hours) so assuming your amp is 250mgs of tesosterone 125 is prop. SO, half of 125 being 62.5 after injection it takes approximately 24 hours for 62.5mgs to have been released into your body. Let's assume this can be broken equally into 24 hours (not how erasterase enzymes work but I will humor you) we then have 2mgs (give or take) releasing every hour, or more importantly (for this "conversation") 1mg every half hour.
I would seriously eat my house slippers if you somehow feel 1mg of testosterone. Raging hard ons? Or maybe you are a woman? Would make sense, actually.
Has SMM ever actually admitted to being a guy or a chick? I don't know what to think anymore...
Since you are so smart, feel free to explain to us how your body has magic enzymes that can act upon an injected depot within seconds (literally) in order to have begun releasing within 30 minutes, and only 1 mg at that...
Why do I bother...
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AND IT'S HYDROLYZED, NOT HYDROLIZED
AT LEAST SPELL YOUR BULLSHIT CORRECTLY
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REMEMBER! FELLAS LIKE THE TWISTER-COACH AND FELLAS AROUND ESPECIALY OLD GENERATION THEY DONT PLAY WITH UNDERGROUND BALONIE,,NTO TO FORGET ONLY 25% OF UNDERGROUND IS LEGIT!! 1 OUT OF 4 WILL BE LEGIT 3 OUT OF 4 COMPLETE GARBAGE!!
ok now wait a minute here! i've done two 12 week cycles UG mixed powder stuff. different sources. and both times gained 30+ lbs (30 1st cycle and 34 2nd).
MY QUESTION: if i would have had HG are you saying that it would have been possible to gain more than 30lbs in 12 weeks. and if so would it even be safe? keep in mind your tendons, etc... there is a point when your connective tissues can not possibly keep up rendering you prone to injury!
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New fibers???
i beleive hgh creates new cells. where as aas just increases satellite cells. something along those lines.
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Lol, I once injected 4 at once, for a total of one gram of test. It was a lot of oil. I am talking a 10 cc gauge here.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
you're never supposed to inject more than 3ml at a time.
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The half life of propionate is 1 day (24 hours) so assuming your amp is 250mgs of tesosterone 125 is prop. SO, half of 125 being 62.5 after injection it takes approximately 24 hours for 62.5mgs to have been released into your body.
Nope. You obviously don't understand what half-life means. It has nothing to do with how long a drug takes to be released into the body, but how long it takes the liver to degrade half of the dose. So propionate is all released into the body in 30 minute, but the body takes about 24 hours to process and metabolize it. At least know the basics of physiology and pharmacocinetics before you call me stupid, genius. Consider yourself owned. One more time. Lol :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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AND IT'S HYDROLYZED, NOT HYDROLIZED
AT LEAST SPELL YOUR BULLSHIT CORRECTLY
I don't give a shit about spelling, and most smart people don't either. Pointing out spelling mistakes is the recourse of the dumb in a debate to show people that they are smarter than their opponents when they have no intelligent arguments to make. And English is not my first language, and I write it impeccably.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Nope. You obviously don't understand what half-life means. It has nothing to do with how long a drug takes to be released into the body, but how long it takes the liver to degrade half of the dose. So propionate is all released into the body in 30 minute, but the body takes about 24 hours to process and metabolize it. At least know the basics of physiology and pharmacocinetics before you call me stupid, genius. Consider yourself owned. One more time. Lol :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
happy to see my favorite little simian taking names kicking ass and taking names. keep up the good work, smm.
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Nope. You obviously don't understand what half-life means. It has nothing to do with how long a drug takes to be released into the body, but how long it takes the liver to degrade half of the dose. So propionate is all released into the body in 30 minute, but the body takes about 24 hours to process and metabolize it. At least know the basics of physiology and pharmacocinetics before you call me stupid, genius. Consider yourself owned. One more time. Lol :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You cannot be serious...I literally can not take this post seriously...
You are leveling. You must be. I refuse to believe you are a real human being.
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Nope. You obviously don't understand what half-life means. It has nothing to do with how long a drug takes to be released into the body, but how long it takes the liver to degrade half of the dose. So propionate is all released into the body in 30 minute, but the body takes about 24 hours to process and metabolize it. At least know the basics of physiology and pharmacocinetics before you call me stupid, genius. Consider yourself owned. One more time. Lol :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Either you or William Llewellyn are correct. I know who I would vote for...
"There are a number of factors that can affect the potency of a particular drug compound. One such factor, and perhaps one of the most important, is the half-life of the agent. In medicine, the term half-life refers to the duration it takes for half of a given drug dosage to break down in the body. It is not half of the total activity time, as this figure always refers to the time it takes to metabolize 50% of what is in still the body. For example, if we inject 100mg a steroid with a half-life of 4 hours, at the four-hour mark we should have only 50mg left as active. After another four hours have passed the drug is still in the body, however another half-life has expired and the total active dosage will be around 25mg. It may take several half-lives before the drug is completely inactive."
Read more: http://www.steroid.com/steroid_half_life.php#ixzz1PDSxw7xu
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SMM is getbig's biggest bulshitter & troll... which is quite the accomplishment, really.
I mean, I could also claim that I was in the Super-Secret Delta Force Team 6 squad /w a 280 IQ and a casino fortune... But I wouldn't be able to stretch that lie for years on end. SMM has a talent for maintaining lies.
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Nope. You obviously don't understand what half-life means. It has nothing to do with how long a drug takes to be released into the body, but how long it takes the liver to degrade half of the dose. So propionate is all released into the body in 30 minute, but the body takes about 24 hours to process and metabolize it. At least know the basics of physiology and pharmacocinetics before you call me stupid, genius. Consider yourself owned. One more time. Lol :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Hi Stupid.
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I don't give a shit about spelling, and most smart people don't either. Pointing out spelling mistakes is the recourse of the dumb in a debate to show people that they are smarter than their opponents when they have no intelligent arguments to make. And English is not my first language, and I write it impeccably.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You write stupid.
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You cannot be serious...I literally can not take this post seriously...
You are leveling. You must be. I refuse to believe you are a real human being.
As he explained in a past post, he is not fully human. His DNA was manipulated with stupid. That's where most of the stupid comes from.
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And English is not my first language, and I write it impeccably.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
is stupid a language? if it was, you'd be fluent.
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Either you or William Llewellyn are correct. I know who I would vote for...
"There are a number of factors that can affect the potency of a particular drug compound. One such factor, and perhaps one of the most important, is the half-life of the agent. In medicine, the term half-life refers to the duration it takes for half of a given drug dosage to break down in the body. It is not half of the total activity time, as this figure always refers to the time it takes to metabolize 50% of what is in still the body. For example, if we inject 100mg a steroid with a half-life of 4 hours, at the four-hour mark we should have only 50mg left as active. After another four hours have passed the drug is still in the body, however another half-life has expired and the total active dosage will be around 25mg. It may take several half-lives before the drug is completely inactive."
Read more: http://www.steroid.com/steroid_half_life.php#ixzz1PDSxw7xu
This confirms what I said. So how does this prove me wrong ??? Oh, and guys who write steroid profiles for steroid websites are hardly professional pharmacologists or biochemists.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Pellius is truly my board bitch. I messed with his head so badly that now all he's left with is stalking me across the boards. ;D Say my name, say my name... ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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let me help out.
half life determines the rate at which a drug is metabolised.
the longer the ester attached to a hormone, the longer it takes the body to break those esters down.
the drug is only active once the ester has been removed.
not all of the drug is active at once, only those molecules which have had the ester removed.
for a long ester like enanthate, the active hormone profile for a 250mg shot would look like this = day one 30mg, day two 27 mg, day three 25 mg, day four 23 mg, day five 20mg, day 6 17 mg, day 7 15 mg, day 8 13 mg, day 9 11mg, day 10 10mg... and so on
those are estimates
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Lol, dude. I never claimed an IQ of 240. My IQ is around 225 - tests are not able to measure it accurately because it's too far above the tests' ceilings.
SUCKYMUSCLE
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SMM is getbig's biggest bulshitter & troll... which is quite the accomplishment, really.
I mean, I could also claim that I was in the Super-Secret Delta Force Team 6 squad /w a 280 IQ and a casino fortune... But I wouldn't be able to stretch that lie for years on end. SMM has a talent for maintaining lies.
No, no, I never said any of those things. I said I am a Spec Ops officer, which I am. I could never be on team 6 because that requires full time dedication, and I was too busy getting my law degree from Cornell and my doctorate in biochemistry. And I never said my IQ is 280. I said it is somewhere between 225 and 287, but it is probably closer to 225. The figure of 287 is optimistic.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Pellius is truly my board bitch. I messed with his head so badly that now all he's left with is stalking me across the boards. ;D Say my name, say my name... ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
lol!
Cry all you want tough guy, you're still stupid.
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is stupid a language? if it was, you'd be fluent.
LMAO!!!
I wish I had thought of that.
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No, no, I never said any of those things. I said I am a Spec Ops officer, which I am. I could never be on team 6 because that requires full time dedication, and I was too busy getting my law degree from Cornell and my doctorate in biochemistry. And I never said my IQ is 280. I said it is somewhere between 225 and 287, but it is probably closer to 225. The figure of 287 is optimistic.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I've taken all your posts and plugged it in to a super computer and it calculated your IQ as stupid.
BTW, you said that you will cause something bad to happen to me. Well, something bad did happened. We had a huge storm here in Hawaii and my garage got flooded with mud. Was that your doing? Because I expect in life that only good things will happen and don't understand this tragic turn of events.
But I will get you back. I am slowly causing your death. One day you will wake up and die. And when you are sitting there wondering why you are dead I will be there to remind you of the promise of vengeance I had made many years ago.
Enjoy life while you can, stupid, because one day I will see to it that you are dead.
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I've taken all your posts and plugged it in to a super computer and it calculated your IQ as stupid.
LOL!
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let me help out.
half life determines the rate at which a drug is metabolised.
the longer the ester attached to a hormone, the longer it takes the body to break those esters down.
the drug is only active once the ester has been removed.
not all of the drug is active at once, only those molecules which have had the ester removed.
for a long ester like enanthate, the active hormone profile for a 250mg shot would look like this = day one 30mg, day two 27 mg, day three 25 mg, day four 23 mg, day five 20mg, day 6 17 mg, day 7 15 mg, day 8 13 mg, day 9 11mg, day 10 10mg... and so on
those are estimates
Where did you get this info?
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The half life of propionate is 1 day (24 hours) so assuming your amp is 250mgs of tesosterone 125 is prop. SO, half of 125 being 62.5 after injection it takes approximately 24 hours for 62.5mgs to have been released into your body. Let's assume this can be broken equally into 24 hours (not how erasterase enzymes work but I will humor you) we then have 2mgs (give or take) releasing every hour, or more importantly (for this "conversation") 1mg every half hour.
I would seriously eat my house slippers if you somehow feel 1mg of testosterone. Raging hard ons? Or maybe you are a woman? Would make sense, actually.
Has SMM ever actually admitted to being a guy or a chick? I don't know what to think anymore...
Since you are so smart, feel free to explain to us how your body has magic enzymes that can act upon an injected depot within seconds (literally) in order to have begun releasing within 30 minutes, and only 1 mg at that...
Why do I bother...
The way I am understanding this is that injectable drugs do affect more the liver than orals, because they stay much more time in the body being metabolized. I read somewhere that injectables only pass one time in the liver. I am not dissing, I am just trying to clarify this to understand better how these drugs produce liver stress.
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I am arguing with people who think that "half life" refers to how long half the dosage of a drug takes to be taken into the body from a site injection. How can I debate such geniuses? :-\
SUCKYMUSCLE
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I've taken all your posts and plugged it in to a super computer and it calculated your IQ as stupid.
BTW, you said that you will cause something bad to happen to me. Well, something bad did happened. We had a huge storm here in Hawaii and my garage got flooded with mud. Was that your doing? Because I expect in life that only good things will happen and don't understand this tragic turn of events.
But I will get you back. I am slowly causing your death. One day you will wake up and die. And when you are sitting there wondering why you are dead I will be there to remind you of the promise of vengeance I had made many years ago.
Enjoy life while you can, stupid, because one day I will see to it that you are dead.
Meltdown
I have taken a quick look at your posts and came to the conclusion that you have an epic inferiority complex in relation to me. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Does this shit look real?
This is something that surfaced locally, and I don't know the source per se.
Those are g2g van. And they are overfilled. Some of the best test ive had yet.
Did you use this particular lot; same expiry date etc?
Anyone else?
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Regarding drug half-life it's a bit more complex than you'd think. I haven't delved into it much because it's not important but I know there's a bunch of factors that affect it, apart from ester (in the case of test for example). Injection site (glute faster than delt), oil used (castor oil gives longer half-life than some other oil in the case of test undecanoate), mg per ml etc. Then there's the different types of half-lives discussed.... people get confused thinking GH gets absorbed immediately seeing as it has a half-life of mere minutes, terminal half-life vs. flip-flop kinetics or something like that. :D
In the case of test enanthate it actually raises plasma T quicker than prop according to one text-book. I can't remember the particulars but a few hours after admin plasma T was higher with the E vs. P.
I am arguing with people who think that "half life" refers to how long half the dosage of a drug takes to be taken into the body from a site injection. How can I debate such geniuses? :-\
SUCKYMUSCLE
It CAN mean just that. No? Just check any PDR entry.
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Regarding drug half-life it's a bit more complex than you'd think. I haven't delved into it much because it's not important but I know there's a bunch of factors that affect it, apart from ester (in the case of test for example). Injection site (glute faster than delt), oil used (castor oil gives longer half-life than some other oil in the case of test undecanoate), mg per ml etc. Then there's the different types of half-lives discussed.... people get confused thinking GH gets absorbed immediately seeing as it has a half-life of mere minutes, terminal half-life vs. flip-flop kinetics or something like that. :D
In the case of test enanthate it actually raises plasma T quicker than prop according to one text-book. I can't remember the particulars but a few hours after admin plasma T was higher with the E vs. P.
I don't understand shit when you speak.
In simple terms , you are telling us to up the dosage right ?
:D
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I don't understand shit when you speak.
In simple terms , you are telling us to up the dosage right ?
:D
I think I'm saying it just don't matter, plus all drugs start workin pretty much immediately even though suckmymuscle is troll who never did roids. :D
And yeah, they say on the steroid board to shoot Sustanon EOD... what the hell is that, do you eat every other day too? All drugs should be taken at least once daily. :D
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I think I'm saying it just don't matter, plus all drugs start workin pretty much immediately even though suckmymuscle is troll who never did roids. :D
And yeah, they say on the steroid board to shoot Sustanon EOD... what the hell is that, do you eat every other day too? All drugs should be taken at least once daily. :D
:O
usually I shoot 5 ccs like twice a week 8)
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:O
usually I shoot 5 ccs like twice a week 8)
I think I heard about this... some type of periodic drug fasting. If it's working don't change it. :D
I just want to know if I should pick up some of those Galeknikas or not. ???
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I think I heard about this... some type of periodic drug fasting. If it's working don't change it. :D
I just want to know if I should pick up some of those Galeknikas or not. ???
I am just too lazy to shoot EOD or ED :D
I heard the Galeknikas are great !
I use test that my body makes himself these days, tried it this week and I got major test flu, I shot 3 g of it to test it haha
libido is fucked up tho :O
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I am just too lazy to shoot EOD or ED :D
I heard the Galeknikas are great !
I use test that my body makes himself these days, tried it this week and I got major test flu, I shot 3 g of it to test it haha
libido is fucked up tho :O
How do you not get gyno and bloat up like a pig. 3 grams in one week wow.
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How do you not get gyno and bloat up like a pig. 3 grams in one week wow.
Aromasin bro
Also my gf suck on my titties everynight to milk them
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Aromasin bro
Also my gf suck on my titties everynight to milk them
how much aromasin do you use?
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how much aromasin do you use?
1 caps EOD
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Aromasin bro
Also my gf suck on my titties everynight to milk them
;D took my advice i see ;D nice
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;D took my advice i see ;D nice
hahaha ;D
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Regarding drug half-life it's a bit more complex than you'd think. I haven't delved into it much because it's not important but I know there's a bunch of factors that affect it, apart from ester (in the case of test for example). Injection site (glute faster than delt), oil used (castor oil gives longer half-life than some other oil in the case of test undecanoate), mg per ml etc. Then there's the different types of half-lives discussed.... people get confused thinking GH gets absorbed immediately seeing as it has a half-life of mere minutes, terminal half-life vs. flip-flop kinetics or something like that. :D
In the case of test enanthate it actually raises plasma T quicker than prop according to one text-book. I can't remember the particulars but a few hours after admin plasma T was higher with the E vs. P.
It CAN mean just that. No? Just check any PDR entry.
Van_Bilderass, listen to me. Everything you wrote is redundant. Rate of absorption and metabolization are two different things. "Half life" refers to how long half the dosage of a drug takes to be transformed into metabolites by the liver. That's it. The rate at which it is released from the injection site is redundant.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Van_Bilderass, listen to me. Everything you wrote is redundant. Rate of absorption and metabolization are two different things. "Half life" refers to how long half the dosage of a drug takes to be transformed into metabolites by the liver. That's it. The rate at which it is released from the injection site is redundant.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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so in simple terme, you are telling us to up the dosage ?
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Van_Bilderass, listen to me. Everything you wrote is redundant. Rate of absorption and metabolization are two different things. "Half life" refers to how long half the dosage of a drug takes to be transformed into metabolites by the liver. That's it. The rate at which it is released from the injection site is redundant.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
How dare you question VanB. He's smart. You're stupid.
Go be stupid somewhere else.
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Van_Bilderass, listen to me. Everything you wrote is redundant. Rate of absorption and metabolization are two different things. "Half life" refers to how long half the dosage of a drug takes to be transformed into metabolites by the liver. That's it. The rate at which it is released from the injection site is redundant.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
No, you have to qualify which half-life you refer to, for example plasma half-life, which is not the same as elimination half-life and so on. A drug doesn't have to convert to metabolites to have a half-life either. Example where several different half-lives are discussed, including the half-life for the release from the injection depot:
Acta Endocrinol Suppl (Copenh). 1985;271:19-30.
Pharmacokinetic parameters of nandrolone (19-nortestosterone) after intramuscular administration of nandrolone decanoate (Deca-Durabolin) to healthy volunteers.
Wijnand HP, Bosch AM, Donker CW.
Abstract
Nandrolone decanoate (Deca-Durabolin) was injected intramuscularly into healthy volunteers. One group of females received one injection of 100 mg and three groups of males received one injection of 200 mg, two repeat injections of 100 mg or four repeat injections of 50 mg respectively. The serum levels of nandrolone (19-nortestosterone) were determined by radioimmunoassay and used to estimate pharmacokinetic parameters. The following pharmacokinetic parameters were found: a mean half-life of 6 days for the release of the ester from the muscular injection depot into the general circulation; a mean half-life of 4.3 h for the combined processes of hydrolysis of nandrolone decanoate and of distribution and elimination of nandrolone; a mean nandrolone serum clearance of 1.55 1 X h-1 X kg-1. The half-life of hydrolysis of nandrolone decanoate in serum was of the order of one hour or less. The data are consistent with linear kinetics.
PMID:
3865478
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No, you have to qualify which half-life you refer to, for example plasma half-life, which is not the same as elimination half-life and so on. A drug doesn't have to convert to metabolites to have a half-life either. Example where several different half-lives are discussed, including the half-life for the release from the injection depot:
See the difference between someone who is actually an intelligent person? He doesn't have to brag about his IQ, boast about his accomplishments, claims to have problem solving abilities that only a handful of people of this planet possess and modified DNA making him innately superior to all others. None of which Sucky have ever proven or verified. Even his supposed physical gifts which can easily be proven with a simple pic is left to trusting the word of a self-absorbed, narcissistic, delusional fool.
Reading VanB over the years it doesn't take much to realize that he's much smarter than the average bear whether you agree with him or not. But he's never made any claims to great intelligence or super human IQ. And like all truly intelligent people he doesn't have to. His writings and arguments speak for themselves.
VanB >>>>>>>>>>>>> Suckymuscle
Suckymuscle is a joke on this board that few, if any, take seriously. He is just stupid. He needs to go be stupid somewhere else.
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Look Jr....let's get one thing through your thick fat skull, I never wanted to get anywhere in this God forsaken industry. That being said, mega doses of anything are the reason why todays bodybuilders look like shit, big with lack of separation and striations, they're lower in fat but look like total shit and its because of people like you that advocate and suggest those doses. You might or might not say directly but you're suggesting to the naïve numbnut kid on here that's they way to go, I call total bullshit on that.
Coach honest question,
Your older bodybuilding pictures showed that you had a much smaller waist then what your recent competitive pictures show. My question is, how can a pro bodybuilder like Gary Strydom still have a waist that is almost the same today as when he was in his 20's, but you can't.
Thanks for the response
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No, you have to qualify which half-life you refer to, for example plasma half-life, which is not the same as elimination half-life and so on. A drug doesn't have to convert to metabolites to have a half-life either. Example where several different half-lives are discussed, including the half-life for the release from the injection depot:
That is a good point, but plasma half-life is seldom used to quantify drug interactions. Check Merck's and Shering's manuals. They use the expression "half life" a lot and it is always refering to the rate of degradation of a drug in the liver. In medical shool they also refer to half-life as the degradation of the drug in the liver and not how long the drug takes to be cleared from the bloodstream. But you made a good point, and I agree that the expression half-life can be used to denote other things than the degradation time of the drug by the liver. But you'll understand that the reason why I use the expression to denote degradation rate of a drug by the liver is because this is the most accepted terminology.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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See the difference between someone who is actually an intelligent person? He doesn't have to brag about his IQ, boast about his accomplishments, claims to have problem solving abilities that only a handful of people of this planet possess and modified DNA making him innately superior to all others. None of which Sucky have ever proven or verified. Even his supposed physical gifts which can easily be proven with a simple pic is left to trusting the word of a self-absorbed, narcissistic, delusional fool.
Reading VanB over the years it doesn't take much to realize that he's much smarter than the average bear whether you agree with him or not. But he's never made any claims to great intelligence or super human IQ. And like all truly intelligent people he doesn't have to. His writings and arguments speak for themselves.
VanB >>>>>>>>>>>>> Suckymuscle
Suckymuscle is a joke on this board that few, if any, take seriously. He is just stupid. He needs to go be stupid somewhere else.
Epic SUCKMYMUSCLE obsession.
Yawn...I have an IQ above 180, loser. Deal with it. Your jealousy and spite cannot change that. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Epic SUCKMYMUSCLE obsession.
Yawn...I have an IQ above 180, loser. Deal with it. Your jealousy and spite cannot change that. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
No you don't and anybody that reads your posts can easily tell that you are not very intelligent. Just delusional and stupid. No one is jealous of you. No one believes anything you say. No one comes to your defense. Everyone just laughs at you. You cannot change that no matter how madly you pound your key board. And it's clear how much this drives you crazy.
As important as it is to you that strangers on an internet board think you're special they just think you're stupid.
Shut up, stupid. Go be stupid somewhere else.
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Did you use this particular lot; same expiry date etc?
lot 1123
0310 0315 exp
from spain
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No you don't and anybody that reads your posts can easily tell that you are not very intelligent. Just delusional and stupid. No one is jealous of you. No one believes anything you say. No one comes to your defense. Everyone just laughs at you. You cannot change that no matter how madly you pound your key board. And it's clear how much this drives you crazy.
As important as it is to you that strangers on an internet board think you're special they just think you're stupid.
Shut up, stupid. Go be stupid somewhere else.
Your anger is really amusing. ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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That is a good point, but plasma half-life is seldom used to quantify drug interactions. Check Merck's and Shering's manuals. They use the expression "half life" a lot and it is always refering to the rate of degradation of a drug in the liver. In medical shool they also refer to half-life as the degradation of the drug in the liver and not how long the drug takes to be cleared from the bloodstream. But you made a good point, and I agree that the expression half-life can be used to denote other things than the degradation time of the drug by the liver. But you'll understand that the reason why I use the expression to denote degradation rate of a drug by the liver is because this is the most accepted terminology.
TWAT
Total bullshit.
Did you really write that? Of course you did, filibustering cunt that you are.
Are we to now assume, that you might point us in the direction of a definition, from Merck, supporting your above contention?
I worked with Merck for over two years .. far from a 'seldom' affair, they do indeed use the term "plasma half-life" in the contextual manner outlined by VanB.
Just for Van, I know he will dig this:
Merck "seldom using plasma half-life" (http://www.google.fr/#sclient=psy&hl=fr&site=&source=hp&q=plasma+half+life+site:merckmanuals.com&btnG=Recherche+Google&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=6ab4b34211f784c9&biw=1024&bih=608)
As you say, Van "did make a good point" .. why not try taking a leaf out of his book?
mongol.
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Van Bilderass,dropping knowledge!!
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Whoa. How do you know FOR A FACT that Alex's ICNs were fakes? He's long time in the biz and although it's been about a year since I've used him his ICNS were always top notch. Thats pretty much all he deals with (at least at the time) and seems to have good connects with that brand.
i would like to hear him elaborate on this as well, i have these ICNS and i have never heard these rumors
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Scary dis information in this thread.
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lolol as if ANYONE is going to take what SMM has to say over VanB
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lolol as if ANYONE is going to take what SMM has to say over VanB
Still better than taking what "no one" has to say. ;D
And half-life is determined by the time it takes the liver to break down half the dosage of a substance. It has nothing to do with the length of time the drug takes to exit the injection site and it does not refer to half the length of time a drug takes to exit plasma. Van_BillderASS is wrong like asses usually are.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You're notoriously stupid and ignorant about every topic you post about. You can keep the gorillas, but don't troll Mma or gear topics man, you're shown up as an idiot with each post
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Haha SMM getting owned as usual
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You're kissing ass and then turning around and insulting the same person by trying to put on an image of something you're not. I know how old you are because you imply that age = authority, you are too old to be posting on a forum made for young men. I also know how many drugs you've had in your system, not that many, because here I am calling you out on your obvious BS. There's no getting on gh15's good side by trying to have more status than you deserve. He's climbed the ranks and stayed at the top for a long time, he sees pretenders like you coming from a mile away and will only give you enough respect to keep you licking at his chops like you are now. If you called him a great person to his face, he would probably laugh. He's ruined the lives of more than a handful of people, if you consider criminals going to jail and all the things that happen to criminals in jail a life ruined. But that's the kind of thing that people with lots of power (much more power than you will ever have) do. Keep playing with your doses and keep your nose out of people's asses cause the brown goes all the way to your neck.
fuck you stay out of peoples business! you fucking miserable prick
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So GH Chen is one of the few who gets legit Chinese powders right ???
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2 INJECTS OF TESTOSTERONA LIKE NORMA OR GALENIKA WILL MAKE YOU ANIMAL 2 FUCKIN INJECTS ,,SUDDENLY YOU WIOLL UNDERSTAND HOW BODYBUILD ACTUALY LIKE TO TRAIN LEGS,,YOU WILL UNDERSTAND MANY MANY THINGS AND YOU WIL ALSO UNDERSTAND GH15 HATE TWARDS THE LIZARDS OF THE CULT
gh15 approved
Actually thats a good post.
Its exaclty how i feel when i inject 250mg human grade Brazilian Durateston. I don´t feel it tomorrow, or next week. I feel like im fucking any whore on the street on the next 30min of the injection. And its only 250mg
It makes a fucking diference when I use Schering Durateston and UG Bullshit.