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Anybody watch that idiot bring it out of the endzone? Unreal. Sub-50 IQ for sure.
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Anybody watch that idiot bring it out of the endzone? Unreal. Sub-50 IQ for sure.
By any chance were you able to see what his race was? I'm just curious...
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By any chance were you able to see what his race was? I'm just curious...
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HAHAHA ;D
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By any chance were you able to see what his race was? I'm just curious...
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Block are you saying that Brandon Stokely would never make such an error at such a crucial juncture in the game doing nothing more than trying for personal glory over team?
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By any chance were you able to see what his race was? I'm just curious...
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same as will grant i suspect
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i missed the play. what did he do? I thought bills had this game in the bag.
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Block are you saying that Brandon Stokely would never make such an error at such a crucial juncture in the game doing nothing more than trying for personal glory over team?
That very much depends... I mean, does he look more like.... me or you... or does he more resemble, ummm... err, ...MattT or Tre?
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i missed the play. what did he do? I thought bills had this game in the bag.
They did. After NE scored to cut the lead, they kicked off deep instead of an onside kick. The deep return man caught the ball in the endzone. All he had to do was take a knee and the game is over after Buf snaps the ball a couple of times.....but oh no, homey had to bring it out and fumbled on the 30. NE recovered and a Brady TD later and the Pats win.
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That very much depends... I mean, does he look more like.... me or you... or does he more resemble, ummm... err, ...MattT or Tre?
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Matt T's IQ......Tre's athleticism on that particular play.
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Anybody watch that idiot bring it out of the endzone? Unreal. Sub-50 IQ for sure.
Compelte retard. Blame the coaches also.
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Compelte retard. Blame the coaches also.
He said he was "trying to make a play..." He should have known the play to make was to protect the win, instead of personal glory. Those are the kind of mistakes that HS players make, certainly not professionals....and he is a great kick returner!
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He absolutely did the right thing there.
If he woulda kneeled down, it wouldn't have been enough time to run the clock out. It wouldna been 3 and out, letting brady back on. They needed to try to get some yardage in order to either kick 3 pts or set the patriots offense far enough back.
Dude did the right thing in returning it......... The WRONG thing occurred in reaching out for the extra yard while being tackled.
But in returning the ball, he most certainly did the right thing in playing the team they were playing against.
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He absolutely did the right thing there.
If he woulda kneeled down, it wouldn't have been enough time to run the clock out. It wouldna been 3 and out, letting brady back on. They needed to try to get some yardage in order to either kick 3 pts or set the patriots offense far enough back.
Dude did the right thing in returning it......... The WRONG thing occurred in reaching out for the extra yard while being tackled.
But in returning the ball, he most certainly did the right thing in playing the team they were playing against.
You couldnt be more wrong...
Taking a knee while going backwards to catch the ball as it took him into the endzone, would have been the play. Buffalo was moving all day on the Pats D....even IF they went 3 and out, they punt the ball deep into NE territory, and let your D take over making Brady go the length of the field to score.
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Ease up there Monday morning quaterbacks. He did nothing wrong. He is a kick returner and he is supposed to return kicks. He was one of the best last year. I bet if he ran it back for a TD you all would be saying that was the smartest play ever. He just had some bad luck with the strip. He shouldn't have fought so hard to get tackled. That was the problem. But kick off returners job is to NOT TAKE A KNEE. They are paid to run out and get some yards. Funny thing is that Watson's touchdown that was ruled a catch even though the ball touched the ground was the same play from the raiders game that was ruled incomplete.
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You couldnt be more wrong...
Taking a knee while going backwards to catch the ball as it took him into the endzone, would have been the play. Buffalo was moving all day on the Pats D....even IF they went 3 and out, they punt the ball deep into NE territory, and let your D take over making Brady go the length of the field to score.
. . .stick to what you know--oiled up muscle men in glittery thongs. let the men talk football here.
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. . .stick to what you know--oiled up muscle men in glittery thongs. let the men talk football here.
lol.
Chick, your opinion is what it is..
If he didn't run it out, the bills are going 3 and out in the nervous state they were in. They punt to NE, who starts possibly mid-field.
McKelvin did the correct thing. The thing he did wrong was extending for extra yards.
Chick, perhaps you should try your hand at coaching professional football?
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Ease up there Monday morning quaterbacks. He did nothing wrong. He is a kick returner and he is supposed to return kicks. He was one of the best last year. I bet if he ran it back for a TD you all would be saying that was the smartest play ever. He just had some bad luck with the strip. He shouldn't have fought so hard to get tackled. That was the problem. But kick off returners job is to NOT TAKE A KNEE. They are paid to run out and get some yards. Funny thing is that Watson's touchdown that was ruled a catch even though the ball touched the ground was the same play from the raiders game that was ruled incomplete.
Exactly. Well put Mon
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For what its worth, i've been following the Bills for 31 years. They did the right thing...
This team falls apart in the end.... trusting Edwards to move the ball with 2 mins left is wrong. We needed yardage in the form of a good punt return.
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For what its worth, i've been following the Bills for 31 years. They did the right thing...
This team falls apart in the end.... trusting Edwards to move the ball with 2 mins left is wrong. We needed yardage in the form of a good punt return.
You don't think the refs screwed up calling Watson's TD catch a good one, but the very same catch by Murphy in the Raiders game was overturned? BS inconsistency with the NFL refs the last few years.
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returner did nothing wrong, got stripped and here we are today playing monday(tuesday) morning quarterback about what he should have done.
they'll be another player next week and the week after that..etc,etc.
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You don't think the refs screwed up calling Watson's TD catch a good one, but the very same catch by Murphy in the Raiders game was overturned? BS inconsistency with the NFL refs the last few years.
I missed the second... but the refs have been VERY inconsistent as of late.
And all the hits on the QB penalties? Man...
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The Bills always play the pats very tough. The pats got screwed big time on the calls for late hits on the qb. The second call ok, but the Wilfork call was one of the worst I'd ever seen. Also, Mcelvin did the right thing by running the ball out. Look at the stats from the game. The Bills were getting dominated by the pats, and by the second half Brady was scoring at will. The pats should have scored at least 34 points in that game, but during the first half Brady was pretty rusty out there. Missed fg's, dropped passes, it was pretty bad during the first half, imo. By the second half Brady was Brady and the O was marching. Give the Bills some credit, they played a good game. People act like the teams has no players, look at their offensive threats. Rosco Perish and TO are damn good players.
1st Downs 17 28
Total Plays 48 77
Total Yards 276 441
Passing 186 368
Rushing 90 73
Red Zone (Made-Att) 2-2 3-5
Penalties 9-71 6-55
3rd Down Conversions 4-10 10-16
4th Down Conversions 1-1 0-2
Turnovers 1 1
Defensive / Special Teams TDs 1 0
Possession 22:52 37:08
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You don't think the refs screwed up calling Watson's TD catch a good one, but the very same catch by Murphy in the Raiders game was overturned? BS inconsistency with the NFL refs the last few years.
Thats ok, it makes up for the horseshit call on Wilfork for a totally legal sack of Edwards.
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You couldnt be more wrong...
Taking a knee while going backwards to catch the ball as it took him into the endzone, would have been the play. Buffalo was moving all day on the Pats D....even IF they went 3 and out, they punt the ball deep into NE territory, and let your D take over making Brady go the length of the field to score.
No, you coulden't be more wrong. Buffalo was not moving "all day" on the Pats D. They had a handful of big plays that you are focusing on while ignoring the big picture. Infact, the pats had 11 more first down and over 150 more total yards than the Bills. Look at the game stats below for proof. Infact, it was the other way around. The problem was, the pats skill position players decided they were going to drop multiple key passes and Gos was going to miss a fg in the first half. Did you see the pats sack Edwards 3 straight times on the last drive? Mckelvin did the right thing, he just happened to get strip sacked by Merweather.
1st Downs 17 28
Total Plays 48 77
Total Yards 276 441
Passing 186 368
Rushing 90 73
Red Zone (Made-Att) 2-2 3-5
Penalties 9-71 6-55
3rd Down Conversions 4-10 10-16
4th Down Conversions 1-1 0-2
Turnovers 1 1
Defensive / Special Teams TDs 1 0
Possession 22:52 37:08
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They did. After NE scored to cut the lead, they kicked off deep instead of an onside kick. The deep return man caught the ball in the endzone. All he had to do was take a knee and the game is over after Buf snaps the ball a couple of times.....but oh no, homey had to bring it out and fumbled on the 30. NE recovered and a Brady TD later and the Pats win.
\he was just trying to get his 'little somethin' - somethin' '
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Don't forget that Chick knows everything ::)
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Exactly. Well put Mon
100 % agree here...ANYONE can take a knee and he was right to return it, you cannot give Brady and Co. ANY time to come back, even if its 80 yds.
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Chick is right. If any of you calling people monday morning quarterbacks knew shitall about football, or had ever actually played (not talking about when you blew out your knee in peewee or you woulda had a scholarship ::) ) you would know that the right play is to take a knee if you are backpedaling in the endzone when you catch the ball. And to the genius who said "it's not his job to take a knee" bullshit....sometimes it is, just like a punt returner's job is to sometimes call a fair catch, sometimes the best throw a QB makes is to throw the ball away, etc...
I won't even go into the fumble, as that is a separate issue and even if he hadn't fumbled, the correct play was to field the ball and take a knee.
Thread over.
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Chick is right. If any of you calling people monday morning quarterbacks knew shitall about football, or had ever actually played (not talking about when you blew out your knee in peewee or you woulda had a scholarship ::) ) you would know that the right play is to take a knee if you are backpedaling in the endzone when you catch the ball. And to the genius who said "it's not his job to take a knee" bullshit....sometimes it is, just like a punt returner's job is to sometimes call a fair catch, sometimes the best throw a QB makes is to throw the ball away, etc...
I won't even go into the fumble, as that is a separate issue and even if he hadn't fumbled, the correct play was to field the ball and take a knee.
Thread over.
HAHAHA. Easy to call it a bad play because he fumbled, but if he ran it to the twenty and got tackled then no one gives a shit and it is the right play. Give me a break. Easy to call any play bad after the fact.
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HAHAHA. Easy to call it a bad play because he fumbled, but if he ran it to the twenty and got tackled then no one gives a shit and it is the right play. Give me a break. Easy to call any play bad after the fact.
Can you actually read?
"I won't even go into the fumble, as that is a separate issue and even if he hadn't fumbled, the correct play was to field the ball and take a knee."
If you think otherwise, it only shows your lack of understanding of football. That is ok ....the world needs tap dancers too. 8)
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Anybody watch that idiot bring it out of the endzone? Unreal. Sub-50 IQ for sure.
what stupid about it? now in hindsight your saying it was a dumb decision, but its not the decision that was dumb, its the guy not protecting the ball well enough that was dumb. A KR is supposed to return kicks, not take knees no matter what the circumstances, He wasnt an idiot for deciding to run it out of the end zone, he just shouldve protected the ball good
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what stupid about it? now in hindsight your saying it was a dumb decision, but its not the decision that was dumb, its the guy not protecting the ball well enough that was dumb. A KR is supposed to return kicks, not take knees no matter what the circumstances, He wasnt an idiot for deciding to run it out of the end zone, he just shouldve protected the ball good
It's not always his job to not take a knee.....do you really think that? So if the ball is 8 yds deep into the endzone he is supposed to run it out? Better tell that to ALL the return men in the league. And besides that it has more to do with the situation.....hands team, with lead, backpedaling = take a knee.
See if you hear one single football analyst defend him with the argument you guys are trying. I'm actually beginning to wonder if any of you guys actually watch, or have played football, or are just yanking my chain. It's such a basic thing.
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Showstoppa: You're wrong on this dude. Sorry.
Chick? Where'd you go? :-[
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Showstoppa: You're wrong on this dude. Sorry.
Chick? Where'd you go? :-[
Nope. Like I said, find any football analyst/coach/expert/player/waterboy/cheerleader, who agrees with you guys that a kick returner should NEVER take a knee, and then I will agree with you.
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It's not always his job to not take a knee.....do you really think that? So if the ball is 8 yds deep into the endzone he is supposed to run it out? Better tell that to ALL the return men in the league. And besides that it has more to do with the situation.....hands team, with lead, backpedaling = take a knee.
See if you hear one single football analyst defend him with the argument you guys are trying. I'm actually beginning to wonder if any of you guys actually watch, or have played football, or are just yanking my chain. It's such a basic thing.
fuck them analysts... so your saying if your in front in a game which you were as good as the Pats, if not better, then you should just put your tail between your legs, take a knee, and then what? your probably gonna say Trent should take 3 kneels too and punt the ball deep in the territory?
your making it sound like you have played football, well so have i ( and i was an all-stater too for that matter). If we're going by your logic, we have 2 scenarios after the guy knees the ball in the end zone:
1) Trent takes 3 knees, pats had 3 Timeouts and then with 1:40 the Bills had to punt the ball, and Brady still could've marched down the field for the game winning TD
2) After the guy took the knee in the end zone, the Bills actually run play, whether they pass the ball or run the ball correct? Now imagine that Fumble happened on one those plays that the Bills were running after the knee in the end zone.
my point is, the guy wasnt stupid for running out of the end zone, he was dumb for not having 2 hands on the ball and protecting it like a mofo.
The big problem the Bills had WAS THE TURNOVER, not him "deciding to run it out of endzone". Of course now in Hindsight you say he shouldnt have ran it out, but that doesnt mean he was wrong.
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Matt T's IQ......Tre's athleticism on that particular play.
L O L!!
"I almost took it all da way, Coach!"
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The bills are playing what some believe to be the best team in the league. Up by a few points with 2 minutes left wasn't the place or time to become complacent. They needed to stay aggressive and run out some time. The fact the fumbled on the kick off was unfortunate but wasn't a bad call. He could have ran it to the 20 and edwards could have thrown an INT or they could have ran and fumbled on and on.......
Plus showstoppa, he wasn't eight yards into the end zone. He caught it right at the line and ran it out. The bills needed to stay aggressive and they did, just a bad fumble and luck ruined it.
Fuck the commentators. They are the worse flip floppers in the world. They would be calling him the best returner in the league if he ran that to the 50 or scored a touchdown. He fumbles and they all jump on him. BS.
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fuck them analysts... so your saying if your in front in a game which you were as good as the Pats, if not better, then you should just put your tail between your legs, take a knee, and then what? your probably gonna say Trent should take 3 kneels too and punt the ball deep in the territory?
your making it sound like you have played football, well so have i ( and i was an all-stater too for that matter). If we're going by your logic, we have 2 scenarios after the guy knees the ball in the end zone:
1) Trent takes 3 knees, pats had 3 Timeouts and then with 1:40 the Bills had to punt the ball, and Brady still could've marched down the field for the game winning TD
2) After the guy took the knee in the end zone, the Bills actually run play, whether they pass the ball or run the ball correct? Now imagine that Fumble happened on one those plays that the Bills were running after the knee in the end zone.
my point is, the guy wasnt stupid for running out of the end zone, he was dumb for not having 2 hands on the ball and protecting it like a mofo.
The big problem the Bills had WAS THE TURNOVER, not him "deciding to run it out of endzone". Of course now in Hindsight you say he shouldnt have ran it out, but that doesnt mean he was wrong.
I still think you are wrong. Much better to take the knee, run the ball 3 times and punt. Should put the Pats inside their own 30. With the Pats having no Timeouts, as they would have to burn those when the Bills took a knee or ran the ball, I like those odds for the Bills.
And as for completly dismissing any football experts....I think I will take Steve Young, Jon Gruden, Jon Ritchie, Kordell Stewart, Mike Ditka, Tom Jackson, etc's opinion on the subject. Not trying to be nasty, but I think their NFL experience trumps your "all-state" credentials.
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He absolutely did the right thing there.
1)If he woulda kneeled down, it wouldn't have been enough time to run the clock out. It wouldna been 3 and out, letting brady back on.
2)They needed to try to get some yardage in order to either kick 3 pts or set the patriots offense far enough back.
3)Dude did the right thing in returning it......... The WRONG thing occurred in reaching out for the extra yard while being tackled.
But in returning the ball, he most certainly did the right thing in playing the team they were playing against.
1) Had he knelt down, there would have been far less time on the clock, and/or timeouts on the board for NE to use, and that would be added pressure for NE to drive down the field no matter their field position.
The kick returners job is not only to return kicks. It's his decision to make as to whether it's BENEFICIAL TO THE TEAM AND THE OUTCOME of the game to kneel or to return the ball.
2) So they need extra yardage to make sure NE gets the ball far enough into NE territory so they can't drive back down the field with the time left on the board? OK, then riddle me this:
Why did the returner not just run out of the end zone slower, and PROTECT THE LIVING FUCK OUT OF THE BALL?!?!? Instead, he loses the ball, game, and looks to be the biggest idiot of all time hence this thread!
3) Only point I can agree with you on, somewhat. Do I think he "should have" run the ball out? No. But given that he did so, I think as I said in my (2) point above, he should have protected the ball and made sure that there would be zero chance of him fumbling. He took a few more seconds off the clock by "trying to make a play" as you quoted....but why do you need to make a play when you've almost got the game locked down?! That's a Terrel Owens like move...thinking about your stats and career rather than what is best for the team. Now they have a loss on their hands that could result in them not making the playoffs. Niners vs Cards last year, Cards win...had the Niners won, it could very well have been them in the Bowl. Use that situation for the Bills and this fumble could lead to a very similar scenario.
... They would be calling him the best returner in the league if he ran that to the 50 or scored a touchdown. He fumbles and they all jump on him. BS.
What are the odds of him returning a kick for a touchdown? Against the team he was playing, how often do they have kicks returned against them and/or how do they rate in special teams play? Things to take into consideration when deciding to return a kick or not. Do they NEED that TD?
Bottom line, IMO, it was not the decision to run the ball out that cost them the game. It was the lack of protecting the ball! That was a bush league move. THAT would have been the right call even if he was protecting it while he knelt down!!!
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The bills are playing what some believe to be the best team in the league. Up by a few points with 2 minutes left wasn't the place or time to become complacent. They needed to stay aggressive and run out some time. The fact the fumbled on the kick off was unfortunate but wasn't a bad call. He could have ran it to the 20 and edwards could have thrown an INT or they could have ran and fumbled on and on.......
Plus showstoppa, he wasn't eight yards into the end zone. He caught it right at the line and ran it out. The bills needed to stay aggressive and they did, just a bad fumble and luck ruined it.
Fuck the commentators. They are the worse flip floppers in the world. They would be calling him the best returner in the league if he ran that to the 50 or scored a touchdown. He fumbles and they all jump on him. BS.
*groan*
Good teams create their own luck.
As Showstoppa has said, the right play in that situation is to take a knee.
Unfortunately for football, there are a number of stupid coaches out there (witness the Raider play-calling last night), so maybe there's a job for you guys, after all.
Even if you come out and fail to move the ball at all and have to punt, at a minimum, you've at least forced the Patriots to use all their timeouts and a FG won't help them.
It all comes down to game management and the bad teams are the worst at it. They're the ones who call timeout on 2nd & 5 in the 3rd quarter of a tight game instead of saving those timeouts to get an extra possession late in the game.
He didn't fumble on purpose (as far as we know), but he never should've been in that position in the first place.
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100 % agree here...ANYONE can take a knee and he was right to return it, you cannot give Brady and Co. ANY time to come back, even if its 80 yds.
Exactly, the possesion before they scored in 50 seconds. They had long sustained drive all game, capped off by dumb mistakes or dropped passes. In the second half they were lighting it up. Mcelvin made the right move, he just happened to be stripped of the ball.
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*groan*
Good teams create their own luck.
As Showstoppa has said, the right play in that situation is to take a knee.
Unfortunately for football, there are a number of stupid coaches out there (witness the Raider play-calling last night), so maybe there's a job for you guys, after all.
Even if you come out and fail to move the ball at all and have to punt, at a minimum, you've at least forced the Patriots to use all their timeouts and a FG won't help them.
It all comes down to game management and the bad teams are the worst at it. They're the ones who call timeout on 2nd & 5 in the 3rd quarter of a tight game instead of saving those timeouts to get an extra possession late in the game.
He didn't fumble on purpose (as far as we know), but he never should've been in that position in the first place.
Dude, thats the fucking point right there. THE PROBLEM WAS THE FUMBLE!!!!!!! so your saying its cool to take the knee, and then come out and run 3 plays, but WHAT IF THE FUMBLE OR TURNOVER HAPPENED DURING ONE OF THOSE 3 PLAYS THEY WERE RUNNING?
then i bet you'd be here saying "ummm the QB shouldve just taken 3 knees and leave it to his defense"
again, the problem was THE FUMBLE, NOT THE DECISION!!!!!!!!
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Exactly. If you look at the game stats you see how bad the pats dominated the bills. People focus on a handful of nice plays the Bills made in the first half and ignore the fact that the pats had 15 more first downs than the Bills and over 150 more yards of total offense. Time of possesion was largly in the pats favor also. The pats were dropping passes and missing easy fg's in the first half. During the second half they looked like the pats and they were scoring at will. It's easy to say a guy made the wrong move after he is stripped of the ball, but Mckelvin is not dumb for running the ball out.
fuck them analysts... so your saying if your in front in a game which you were as good as the Pats, if not better, then you should just put your tail between your legs, take a knee, and then what? your probably gonna say Trent should take 3 kneels too and punt the ball deep in the territory?
your making it sound like you have played football, well so have i ( and i was an all-stater too for that matter). If we're going by your logic, we have 2 scenarios after the guy knees the ball in the end zone:
1) Trent takes 3 knees, pats had 3 Timeouts and then with 1:40 the Bills had to punt the ball, and Brady still could've marched down the field for the game winning TD
2) After the guy took the knee in the end zone, the Bills actually run play, whether they pass the ball or run the ball correct? Now imagine that Fumble happened on one those plays that the Bills were running after the knee in the end zone.
my point is, the guy wasnt stupid for running out of the end zone, he was dumb for not having 2 hands on the ball and protecting it like a mofo.
The big problem the Bills had WAS THE TURNOVER, not him "deciding to run it out of endzone". Of course now in Hindsight you say he shouldnt have ran it out, but that doesnt mean he was wrong.
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Good teams create their own luck.
As one of those hokey Weider training journals I had when I was younger quoted:
"Luck is the residue of design."
I changed that to "Luck is the byproduct of design."
If you design something well enough, you most likely won't have to leave it "up to luck." And the luck that you would have would probably allow the situation to play out in your favor.
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Ease up there Monday morning quaterbacks. He did nothing wrong. He is a kick returner and he is supposed to return kicks. He was one of the best last year. I bet if he ran it back for a TD you all would be saying that was the smartest play ever. He just had some bad luck with the strip. He shouldn't have fought so hard to get tackled. That was the problem. But kick off returners job is to NOT TAKE A KNEE. They are paid to run out and get some yards. Funny thing is that Watson's touchdown that was ruled a catch even though the ball touched the ground was the same play from the raiders game that was ruled incomplete.
Exactly! Funny how many ex-pro football coaches and players we have on Getbig. What would these Vince Lombardi's say if the guy ran it back for a touchdown. Would Chic say he did the exact thing he was supposed to do.
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....backpedaling into the endzone, hands team on the field, with the lead = take a knee
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Exactly! Funny how many ex-pro football coaches and players we have on Getbig. What would these Vince Lombardi's say if the guy ran it back for a touchdown. Would Chic say he did the exact thing he was supposed to do.
So how are you guys saying he did the right thing any different, onlymen? Those of us who are saying he should taken a knee are in agreement with all the people I listed above....(ie: Ditka, Jackson, Ritchie, Stewart) yet you are the "ex-pro football coaches" who know better than all those former NFL players and coaches.....ok...
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Showstoppa and Chick are absolutely right on this one. Football 101 says he HAS to take a knee in this situation.
He tried to play the hero and cost his team the game.
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Exactly. If you look at the game stats you see how bad the pats dominated the bills. People focus on a handful of nice plays the Bills made in the first half and ignore the fact that the pats had 15 more first downs than the Bills and over 150 more yards of total offense. Time of possesion was largly in the pats favor also. The pats were dropping passes and missing easy fg's in the first half. During the second half they looked like the pats and they were scoring at will. It's easy to say a guy made the wrong move after he is stripped of the ball, but Mckelvin is not dumb for running the ball out.
The Patriots dodged a bullet plain and simple.
If that guy takes a fucking knee LIKE HE'S SUPPOSED TO, The Pats are 0-1. Stop acting like it was anything other than what it was....A FUCKING GIFT.
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Mcelvin made the right move, he just happened to be stripped of the ball.
Getbig's premier football know it all gets it wrong once again and has probably never played the game lol If he wasn't gonna take a knee there's actually a low chance of being stripped if he and the coaches are on the same page as to how to handle it, which wasn't the case there. I assure you that Belichick ensures that his guys understand this even though you don't know it yet. With that as the emphasis the chance of being stripped is very low actually, for those who have actually played the game.
That mistake was equally the coaches and the player.
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The Patriots dodged a bullet plain and simple.
If that guy takes a fucking knee LIKE HE'S SUPPOSED TO, The Pats are 0-1. Stop acting like it was anything other than what it was....A FUCKING GIFT.
Thats besides the point, of course the Pats were lucky to get a fumble in the last 2 minutes, BUT THE FUMBLE DOESNT MAKE THE DECISION TO RUN OUT WITH THE BALL STUPID. thats the whole discussion here. WE ALL AGREE THE FUMBLE WAS A LUCKY GIFT FOR THE PATS, but that fumble couldve happened on a play after the guy took a knee in the end zone.
like i said before, its easy sitting here and saying " the guy ran it out the end zone, the guy then fumbled, therefore what a dumb fucking mistake to run it out" . thats not ture, the Mistake was not holding on to the ball tightly, not running out of the end zone with it.
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Thats besides the point, of course the Pats were lucky to get a fumble in the last 2 minutes, BUT THE FUMBLE DOESNT MAKE THE DECISION TO RUN OUT WITH THE BALL STUPID. thats the whole discussion here. WE ALL AGREE THE FUMBLE WAS A LUCKY GIFT FOR THE PATS, but that fumble couldve happened on a play after the guy took a knee in the end zone.
like i said before, its easy sitting here and saying " the guy ran it out the end zone, the guy then fumbled, therefore what a dumb fucking mistake to run it out" . thats not ture, the Mistake was not holding on to the ball tightly, not running out of the end zone with it.
Don't even try to explain it to simpletons like Pumpster. He only understands men in thongs.
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Thats besides the point, of course the Pats were lucky to get a fumble in the last 2 minutes, BUT THE FUMBLE DOESNT MAKE THE DECISION TO RUN OUT WITH THE BALL STUPID. thats the whole discussion here. WE ALL AGREE THE FUMBLE WAS A LUCKY GIFT FOR THE PATS, but that fumble couldve happened on a play after the guy took a knee in the end zone.
like i said before, its easy sitting here and saying " the guy ran it out the end zone, the guy then fumbled, therefore what a dumb fucking mistake to run it out" . thats not ture, the Mistake was not holding on to the ball tightly, not running out of the end zone with it.
IMO the decision to take it out was stupid.
As a matter of fact.....my exact words watching the game were, "What is this fucking stupid guy taking the ball out for?"
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Ease up there Monday morning quaterbacks. He did nothing wrong. He is a kick returner and he is supposed to return kicks. He was one of the best last year. I bet if he ran it back for a TD you all would be saying that was the smartest play ever. He just had some bad luck with the strip. He shouldn't have fought so hard to get tackled. That was the problem. But kick off returners job is to NOT TAKE A KNEE. They are paid to run out and get some yards. Funny thing is that Watson's touchdown that was ruled a catch even though the ball touched the ground was the same play from the raiders game that was ruled incomplete.
well some of you brainless on here obviously don't know much about football, I guess
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IMO the decision to take it out was stupid.
As a matter of fact.....my exact words watching the game were, "What is this fucking stupid guy taking the ball out for?"
Dude, didn't you say you had a daughter? How do you look in the mirror every day? You act like a fucking idiot on the internet, I can only imagine how you are in the real world. You've got to be a gimmick ::)
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Dude, didn't you say you had a daughter? How do you look in the mirror every day? You act like a fucking idiot on the internet, I can only imagine how you are in the real world. You've got to be a gimmick ::)
sadly, i don't think he is.
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Thats ok, it makes up for the horseshit call on Wilfork for a totally legal sack of Edwards.
that was a shit call quarterbacks should be like any other football player. what does the coach say to this player when they look at the film, next time just stop and stand there?
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that was a shit call quarterbacks should be like any other football player. what does the coach say to this player when they look at the film, next time just stop and stand there?
Maybe the league will go to two hand touch on the QB? ;D
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Dude, didn't you say you had a daughter? How do you look in the mirror every day? You act like a fucking idiot on the internet, I can only imagine how you are in the real world. You've got to be a gimmick ::)
sadly, i don't think he is.
because nobody makes racial jokes around here ::) ::)
you tiny tits need to lighten up
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Anybody watch that idiot bring it out of the endzone? Unreal. Sub-50 IQ for sure.
Seems lower than Debussey's
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Seems lower than Debussey's
Impossible >:(
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IMO the decision to take it out was stupid.
As a matter of fact.....my exact words watching the game were, "What is this fucking stupid guy taking the ball out for?"
HAAHAHAHAHAA YES! ;D
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Good thing they wasted all that money on TO :P
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HAAHAHAHAHAA YES! ;D
Careful Debusspass, MyBODYonlyweighs88pounds and Eminem1964 will start crying
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when that same situation arises again, for any team, the guy will run it out of the end zone.
1:40 left with the pats having 3 time outs, they would end up giving the ball back to a hungry tom brady at the 40 or 50 yard line. Better to run it out to the 25 and then make them punch it in from their own 20 yard line. 95% of the time, the guy ain't gonna fumble it.
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Careful Debusspass, MyBODYonlyweighs88pounds and Eminem1964 will start crying
It seems like the lumberjack-type (with secret fantasies of dancing ballet) known as GroinK and the slick suit-type Body88 don't match.
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It seems like the lumberjack-type (with secret fantasies of dancing ballet) known as GroinK and the slick suit-type Body88 don't match.
Yes I would enjoy bouncing his head off of the curb like a handball
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Yes I would enjoy bouncing his head off of the curb like a handball
Arent you a bit old for this style of resolving disputes BalleGroinKa? ;D
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Yes I would enjoy bouncing his head off of the curb like a handball
Eyo, my namez Groink and if u don't thinkz I'm da shit then youz a fuckin pussy, guy! Ayo, pass me dem cheezballz, chief! bodyweight88, youz betta hope I don't seez you on da corna of 25th and 27th, ill turn ya faze into mashed patas, guy....
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when that same situation arises again, for any team, the guy will run it out of the end zone.
1:40 left with the pats having 3 time outs, they would end up giving the ball back to a hungry tom brady at the 40 or 50 yard line. Better to run it out to the 25 and then make them punch it in from their own 20 yard line. 95% of the time, the guy ain't gonna fumble it.
Once again, no. If the Bills had the ball at their 20, they would have ran the ball or took a knee 3 times and then punted. The Pats would have been forced to use their timeouts to stop the clock after the knee down or runs, so they would have no timeouts left on their final drive. And after a punt, most likely the Pats would have took over at their own 25-35 yd line with a little over a minute left.
And trust me, there is no way on earth your first statement is true. Throughout the NFL today special teams coaches were ensuring that their KR would take a knee, like he is f'n supposed to in that situation.
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Ease up there Monday morning quaterbacks. He did nothing wrong. He is a kick returner and he is supposed to return kicks. He was one of the best last year. I bet if he ran it back for a TD you all would be saying that was the smartest play ever. He just had some bad luck with the strip. He shouldn't have fought so hard to get tackled. That was the problem. But kick off returners job is to NOT TAKE A KNEE. They are paid to run out and get some yards. Funny thing is that Watson's touchdown that was ruled a catch even though the ball touched the ground was the same play from the raiders game that was ruled incomplete.
Plus the 3rd and 10 the pats get a first down with 9 yds, WTF is that!!!!
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when that same situation arises again, for any team, the guy will run it out of the end zone.
1:40 left with the pats having 3 time outs, they would end up giving the ball back to a hungry tom brady at the 40 or 50 yard line. Better to run it out to the 25 and then make them punch it in from their own 20 yard line. 95% of the time, the guy ain't gonna fumble it.
PERFECTLY PUT.
WHy are you other idiots not getting it? CHICK? Yes, you've seemed to run off...
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HAHAHA ;D
maybe the same race as the guy's who caught the tds for ne...Moss and the te watson...just sayin bro
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PERFECTLY PUT.
WHy are you other idiots not getting it?
Read my (1st) post on the issue....I think it may have even been you I quoted.
I get it. But what I DO NOT get, is why any IDIOT would NOT protect the ball with his life in that situation!!! "Trying to make a play" ended up costing his team the game.
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Eyo, my namez Groink and if u don't thinkz I'm da shit then youz a fuckin pussy, guy! Ayo, pass me dem cheezballz, chief! bodyweight88, youz betta hope I don't seez you on da corna of 25th and 27th, ill turn ya faze into mashed patas, guy....
careful, greg is quite the internet tough guy...
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Read my (1st) post on the issue....I think it may have even been you I quoted.
I get it. But what I DO NOT get, is why any IDIOT would NOT protect the ball with his life in that situation!!! "Trying to make a play" ended up costing his team the game.
Definitely. Major mistake in trying to extend and get that extra yard. You're correct.
Did any of you see that McKelvins front yard was vandalized after the game? Ridiculous.
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So how are you guys saying he did the right thing any different, onlymen? Those of us who are saying he should taken a knee are in agreement with all the people I listed above....(ie: Ditka, Jackson, Ritchie, Stewart) yet you are the "ex-pro football coaches" who know better than all those former NFL players and coaches.....ok...
And what would people have said if he ran it back for touchdown. They would day "Now that's what separates a pro from a amatuer, good call" Not one person would say anything different than say he did the right thing and it pad off.
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And what would people have said if he ran it back for touchdown. They would day "Now that's what separates a pro from a amatuer, good call" Not one person would say anything different than say he did the right thing and it pad off.
Will you stop repeating this?! It is not relevant. Hell, a lot of this thread is not relevant.
He didn't run the ball back for a touchdown. He did not protect the ball, hence he fumbled and the game was lost.
If he ran it back for a touchdown, the outcome of the game would not have changed...so why he would be applauded for a banal touchdown is not relevant. If it was in the last game of the season propelling them to win and go to the Super Bowl, that's a different story.
The fumble however, changed the outcome of the game!
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I cant believe this is evan a debate...just shows how little people's football knowledge is....
In no way, shape of form should he have taken it out of the endzone...PERIOD. There was nothing to gain, and everything to lose (which they did)..."going for the extra yard", etc...is all bullshit...if he was just tackled as normal...they wouldve been a few yards ahead of the 20, where they would have started anyway, with NO chance of a fumble/ turnover/ etc.
He blew it....bigtime
You take a knee, and let your O take over to make a few first downs, there was no reason for any special team heroics...they were ahead
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I cant believe this is evan a debate...just shows how little people's football knowledge is....
In no way, shape of form should he have taken it out of the endzone...PERIOD. There was nothing to gain, and everything to lose (which they did)..."going for the extra yard", etc...is all bullshit...if he was just tackled as normal...they wouldve been a few yards ahead of the 20, where they would have started anyway, with NO chance of a fumble/ turnover/ etc.
He blew it....bigtime
You take a knee, and let your O take over to make a few first downs, there was no reason for any special team heroics...they were ahead
Are you that fucking dumb? what if the fumble happened during a play "when the O took over" ? then what you have said?
just for one second imagine the guy didnt take a knee in the end zone, runs out of the end zone, and gets tackled at the 20 yard line... then the O takes over... first down they run the ball for 3 yards... second down the run the ball, the runner fumbles the ball !!!...
catch my drift? THE FUMBLE WAS THE MISTAKE NOT THE RUNNING OUT OF THE END ZONE.... people seem to associate the 2 together..
to re-iterate:
THE DECISION TO RUN OUT OF THE END ZONE IN THE FINAL 2 MINUTES OF A GAME WHEN YOUR UP IS NOT A MISTAKE!!!
FUMBLING THE BALL IN THE LAST 2 MINS OF THE GAME (or anytime for that matter) WHEN YOUR TEAM IS UP IS A MISTAKE
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Are you that fucking dumb? what if the fumble happened during a play "when the O took over" ? then what you have said?
just for one second imagine the guy didnt take a knee in the end zone, runs out of the end zone, and gets tackled at the 20 yard line... then the O takes over... first down they run the ball for 3 yards... second down the run the ball, the runner fumbles the ball !!!...
catch my drift? THE FUMBLE WAS THE MISTAKE NOT THE RUNNING OUT OF THE END ZONE.... people seem to associate the 2 together..
to re-iterate:
THE DECISION TO RUN OUT OF THE END ZONE IN THE FINAL 2 MINUTES OF A GAME WHEN YOUR UP IS NOT A MISTAKE!!!
FUMBLING THE BALL IN THE LAST 2 MINS OF THE GAME (or anytime for that matter) WHEN YOUR TEAM IS UP IS A MISTAKE
The chance of fumbling when you DONT run the ball out of the endzone...is ZERO....Einstein
Every other hypothetical, is irrelevant.
You just made my point...
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The chance of fumbling when you DONT run the ball out of the endzone...is ZERO....Einstein
Every other hypothetical, is irrelevant.
You just made my point...
Chick, you should call Ralph Wilson and discuss possible coaching positions on the Bills. Maybe with your insight into the game you could be an asset to the team. Whatta ya think?
Hope it doesn't turn out like your little cop job did.
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PERFECTLY PUT.
WHy are you other idiots not getting it?
Great, now if people don't agree with "mr. all-state" we are idiots. Funny that the people who actually know football, to include EVERY analyst on TV agrees with us, to include NFL coaches and players, yet you and 240 know best.....I guess you should apply for some NFL coaching jobs.
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This isn't funny, but next time, he'll probably stay in the endzone:
McKelvin's front lawn vandalized
HAMBURG, N.Y. -- Bills players are concerned with their privacy and safety after the front lawn of a home belonging to cornerback Leodis McKelvin was vandalized following Buffalo's season-opening loss to New England.
Hamburg police on Tuesday confirmed the home of a Bills player was vandalized, but declined to release details of their investigation after an obscenity and the score of Monday night's game -- a 25-24 loss to the Patriots -- were painted in white on the player's lawn in suburban Buffalo.
McKelvin fumbled a kickoff return with under two minutes to play and the Bills leading 24-19. Three plays later, New England's Tom Brady hit Benjamin Watson for the go-ahead touchdown as the Patriots overcome an 11-point deficit in the final 2:06.
Bills linebacker Kawika Mitchell referred to a teammate's home being vandalized in a post on his Twitter page, though he did not say it was McKelvin's home. Mitchell warned fans that such behavior is disturbing.
"W/ all the safety issues n the NFL its not funny at all," Mitchell wrote. "We have Fam at our homes to protect. If u show ur face on my prop Ill make sure I do everythin to keep my Fam safe."
Mitchell warned that he would consider vandalism threatening behavior if it happened to his home.
"Its my job to protect my home as it is the job of all home owners. Dont push the limit," Mitchell wrote.
Though Bills fans are passionate about their team, Monday's night's vandalism is surprising. Bills players previously have hailed the team's fans for being respectful and allowing players their privacy.
Bills spokesman Scott Berchtold declined comment by saying the team considers this a police matter.
A message left on a phone listed to McKelvin was not returned.
It's not clear if there was anyone at home at the time the vandalism occurred.
Bills players had the day off before returning to practice Wednesday to prepare to host Tampa Bay this weekend.
Bills safety George Wilson was shocked upon learning the news earlier in the day.
"To see that type of response from so-called passionate fans is taking things to the extreme," said Wilson, who is the team's union representative. "You can blog and make your opinions, but to go to a person's residence, you're taking it to a whole new level."
McKelvin, selected in the first round of the 2008 draft out of Troy, set a team record and ranked second in the NFL with 1,468 kickoff return yards last season. He also scored a touchdown.
He opened this season by taking over a starting job opposite veteran cornerback Terrence McGee.
After the game against the Patriots, McKelvin was criticized for running the ball out of the end zone rather than taking a knee. After being hit by Brandon Meriweather at the Bills 30, McKelvin attempted to gain an extra yard before being stripped of the ball by Pierre Woods.
Following the game, McKelvin said he was disappointed that he fumbled but noted he would run the ball out of the end zone again if given the same opportunity.
"Next time I get the opportunity, I am going to hold on and make a better decision," he said.
Coach Dick Jauron defended McKelvin.
"He's a dynamic runner and he was trying to win a football game, ice a football game," Jauron said, adding that McKelvin attempted to protect the ball with two hands. "It's just one of those things that happens, but I don't have any problems with Leodis. He plays the game hard."
With a nod to Terrell Owens, defensive end Aaron Schobel was upbeat a day after yet another Monday night meltdown by the Bills.
"I think Terrell said it best before and after the game," Schobel said. "He said he's been on a lot of teams and said we've got talent. We've just got to put it together. I think he's right."
Schobel did express concern that the Bills continue to struggle to seal victories. They lost 29-27 to Cleveland on a Monday night last season on Phil Dawson's 56-yard field goal with 1:39 left. Two years ago on a Monday night, Buffalo gave up 9 points in the final 20 seconds in a 25-24 loss to Dallas.
"The bottom line is when you have a chance to win the game, win the game. We didn't do that," he said. "It's a long season and we're going to be all right. We've just got to get on a roll."
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Are you that fucking dumb? what if the fumble happened during a play "when the O took over" ? then what you have said?
But the fumble DID NOT happen when the offense took over, because the guy ran the ball out WITHOUT protecting the ball, and fumbled. It never got to the point where the "if's, and's or but's" could happen.
Go into a courtroom and argue with a judge or prosecutor as you are now, and let's see how far you get.
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Great, now if people don't agree with "mr. all-state" we are idiots. Funny that the people who actually know football, to include EVERY analyst on TV agrees with us, to include NFL coaches and players, yet you and 240 know best.....I guess you should apply for some NFL coaching jobs.
Every analyst on tv... AND coaches? Hmm... wonder why Bobby April choose to run him out? I guess the coach of the number 1 ranked special teams unit doesn't know a thing about football.
You do know that Buffalo has the best special teams unit in the NFL, right? I would pretty mucn take their coaches decisions as the right thing to do....MORE SO than monday morning "analysts" etc etc... he knows his team and unit.. HE MADE THE RIGHT CALL. END of story.
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Every analyst on tv... AND coaches? Hmm... wonder why Bobby April choose to run him out? I guess the coach of the number 1 ranked special teams unit doesn't know a thing about football.
You do know that Buffalo has the best special teams unit in the NFL, right? I would pretty mucn take their coaches decisions as the right thing to do....MORE SO than monday morning "analysts" etc etc... he knows his team and unit.. HE MADE THE RIGHT CALL. END of story.
How do you know he "chose to run him out?" I suppose April said so.....right and a coach would never protect one of their players after making a dumb mistake by saying such a thing. Just like Jauron had to defend him.
And even IF Buffalo had the best speacial teams in the NFL, which is highly debatable as leading the league in return yardage is only one aspect of special teams, the normal special teams unit wasn't even on the field. It was the hands team, which means no return was set-up which means he shouldn't have returned the football. Now that is END OF STORY.
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How do you know he "chose to run him out?" I suppose April said so.....right and a coach would never protect one of their players after making a dumb mistake by saying such a thing. Just like Jauron had to defend him.
And even IF Buffalo had the best speacial teams in the NFL, which is highly debatable as leading the league in return yardage is only one aspect of special teams, the normal special teams unit wasn't even on the field. It was the hands team, which means no return was set-up which means he shouldn't have returned the football. Now that is END OF STORY.
The Bills DO indeed have the best special teams unit in the NFL. Thats a known fact. They even talked about it during the game. There is no "if" about it.
And I know April was behind his running it out bc he has stated so... it was mentioned during mckelvin's post game interview.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4070567
This speaks volumes. You can't deny their coach.
"League-leading 15.5 yards per punt return"
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The Bills DO indeed have the best special teams unit in the NFL. Thats a known fact. They even talked about it during the game. There is no "if" about it.
And I know April was behind his running it out bc he has stated so... it was mentioned during mckelvin's post game interview.
I repeat, of course April like any good coach, is going to deflect criticsm from a good player who made a mistake by saying it was "his call."
Put it this way, if one of the hands team guys had fielded the kick, should he have just fell on the ball, or as you guys say, take off running "and make a play to ice the game?" Answer that honestly and you will see the light.
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Some of you guys are issing the point, entirely...had he not been 3 yards deep going backwards to catch the ball in the EZ, then fine...but he was.
Even on routine kickoffs, this is considered "taking a knee" situation, let alone preserving the win.....
As I said, there was NO advantage to running it out....
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I repeat, of course April like any good coach, is going to deflect criticsm from a good player who made a mistake by saying it was "his call."
Put it this way, if one of the hands team guys had fielded the kick, should he have just fell on the ball, or as you guys say, take off running "and make a play to ice the game?" Answer that honestly and you will see the light.
This is my final response to this dude.
McKelvin was told to return the ball by the best special teams coach in the NFL for this reason: If he downs it, the Bills were most likely to go 3 and out. They punt. The Pats return it X number of yards. Brady steps in and finishes the game.
They needed yardage period. The mistake was made in reaching out with the ball, trying to get that extra yard. It was correct to return the ball. How can you debate that with the best, if not one of the best speical teams coaches out there? Your ignoance is amazing. Regardless, you're entitled to your opinion.
GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Some of you guys are issing the point, entirely...had he not been 3 yards deep going backwards to catch the ball in the EZ, then fine...but he was.
Even on routine kickoffs, this is considered "taking a knee" situation, let alone preserving the win.....
As I said, there was NO advantage to running it out....
Honestly Chick, you're missing it here. Seriously.
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Honestly Chick, you're missing it here. Seriously.
Apparently, your missing the fact that he DID run it out, and he DID fumble, and they DID lose the game.
This other notion presented, that they would have "most likely" went 3 and out is ridiculous at best....
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Apparently, your missing the fact that he DID run it out, and he DID fumble, and they DID lose the game.
This other notion presented, that they would have "most likely" went 3 and out is ridiculous at best....
WHAT?!?! Did you watch the Bill's drive right after the Pats TD? They DID go 3 and out.
And how am i missing the fact that he did run it out? I'm agreeing with that you dingdong?!
You certainly provide a good amount of laughter with your knowledge. ::)
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WHAT?!?! Did you watch the Bill's drive right after the Pats TD? They DID go 3 and out.
And how am i missing the fact that he did run it out? I'm agreeing with that you dingdong?!
You certainly provide a good amount of laughter with your knowledge. ::)
Yeah...AFTER they were scored on and now were LOSING....two different senarios.
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Yeah...AFTER they were scored on and now were LOSING....two different senarios.
ahhaha... So by your logic, they are more apt to go 3 and out after being scored on? Dude, you've GOTTA be kidding us on here.
Stick to bodybuilding.
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It's just a game.
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ahhaha... So by your logic, they are more apt to go 3 and out after being scored on? Dude, you've GOTTA be kidding us on here.
Stick to bodybuilding.
WTF are you talking about? The play selection would have been different, the defense would have been different, the circumstances would have been different...
Stick to making an ass of yourself, you do a good job
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WTF are you talking about? The play selection would have been different, the defense would have been different, the circumstances would have been different...
Stick to making an ass of yourself, you do a good job
Your posts are so incomprehensible its ridiculous.
Stick to lubing up other men's hamstrings bro.
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Your posts are so incomprehensible its ridiculous.
Stick to lubing up other men's hamstrings bro.
So, by your logic....they (BB) used the exact same plays trying to win the game, that they would've used in trying to secure a few first downs in preserving the win???
Move out of the basement, kid...
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careful, greg is quite the internet tough guy...
You'z talkin to mi em196fowa? I eats tiwney titz like uz for breafist.
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This is my final response to this dude.
McKelvin was told to return the ball by the best special teams coach in the NFL for this reason: If he downs it, the Bills were most likely to go 3 and out. They punt. The Pats return it X number of yards. Brady steps in and finishes the game.
They needed yardage period. The mistake was made in reaching out with the ball, trying to get that extra yard. It was correct to return the ball. How can you debate that with the best, if not one of the best speical teams coaches out there? Your ignoance is amazing. Regardless, you're entitled to your opinion.
GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great, now "mr. all-state" says I'm ignorant as well as an idiot. You have NO idea if the coach told him that or not, like I said, he is going to defend his player. Ok, if you can comprehend that we will move on to my next point.
You say that I'm an idiot, and ignorant, for debating what "the best special teams coach out there" says, yet you are debating every other football expert that has an opinion on the subject? C'mon, quit being a homer. The guy made a mistake, it's that simple.
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So, by your logic....they (BB) used the exact same plays trying to win the game, that they would've used in trying to secure a few first downs in preserving the win???
Move out of the basement, kid...
Go back and read YOUR posts. You commented "going 3 and out is ridiculous at best" when I stated that was what was gonna happen.
I then responded that it wasn't ridiculous.... just look at what happened to them the play after they got scored on. And you made your idiot remark to the effect that a team going 3 and out depends on whether they were just scored on.
Stick to your opinion. It doesn't really matter or change things. I know leodis taking it out was the right call. As did his coach... whom is a top notch special teams coach. But, being "Chick", you're all knowing. You make yourself look as feeble on here as your bodybuilding career was, pro.
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Great, now "mr. all-state" says I'm ignorant as well as an idiot. You have NO idea if the coach told him that or not, like I said, he is going to defend his player. Ok, if you can comprehend that we will move on to my next point.
You say that I'm an idiot, and ignorant, for debating what "the best special teams coach out there" says, yet you are debating every other football expert that has an opinion on the subject? C'mon, quit being a homer. The guy made a mistake, it's that simple.
Where did I ever state i was "mr. all-state"? I'm a buffalo lawyer whose been a Bills fan since day one. I've never coached football if thats what youre implying.
Yes, he did make a mistake... and that was in reaching out for the extra yard... not the return. And i've seen many "experts" state it was the correct thing to do..
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Go back and read YOUR posts. You commented "going 3 and out is ridiculous at best" when I stated that was what was gonna happen.
I then responded that it wasn't ridiculous.... just look at what happened to them the play after they got scored on. And you made your idiot remark to the effect that a team going 3 and out depends on whether they were just scored on.
Stick to your opinion. It doesn't really matter or change things. I know leodis taking it out was the right call. As did his coach... whom is a top notch special teams coach. But, being "Chick", you're all knowing. You make yourself look as feeble on here as your bodybuilding career was, pro.
Holy shit..you're a complete moron...
Yes, Nostradameaus...implying that you know they would have gone 3 and out because "thats what they did on their next posession" is beyond ridiculous....its fuckin retarded.
And thats NOT what I said...now you're trying to make shit up to justify your inability to muster a good argument.
I did notice you couldnt answer the ONE question I asked...
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Holy shit..you're a complete moron...
Yes, Nostradameaus...implying that you know they would have gone 3 and out because "thats what they did on their next posession" is beyond ridiculous....its fuckin retarded.
And thats NOT what I said...now you're trying to make shit up to justify your inability to muster a good argument.
I did notice you couldnt answer the ONE question I asked...
It's most definitely what you wrote. Go back and read thru it. Perhaps your reading comprehension skills are sub-par? You were a cop, right?
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AND WHERE IS THE POST OF YOURS I"M SUPPOSED TO GO BACK AND READ??
DIPSHIT!! NICE TRY IN DELETING YOUR POSTS AFTER YOU PUT YOUR FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH CHICK
RETARD!!!
Where is your post with the one question i just couldn't answer? YOU DELETED IT!!
YOU"RE a PHONEY!!! CHICK=TINY TIT
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Well Chicky?
Where is the post of yours you conveniently deleted? Are you busy modifying it to repost?
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Listen Chick:
If you admit you find pleasure in greasing up other men's hammys, I'll forgive your inability to argue on here.
Deal?
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So, by your logic....they (BB) used the exact same plays trying to win the game, that they would've used in trying to secure a few first downs in preserving the win???
Move out of the basement, kid...
It's right here,my "special" friend...
Still sitting at the top of the page, Now I feel bad, it's obvious you're challenged....
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;D
I take back my tiny tit comments etc.
Youre still wrong on the football call though.
BTW, being from Rochester, tell me youre a Bills fan
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Go back and read YOUR posts. You commented "going 3 and out is ridiculous at best" when I stated that was what was gonna happen.
I then responded that it wasn't ridiculous.... just look at what happened to them the play after they got scored on. And you made your idiot remark to the effect that a team going 3 and out depends on whether they were just scored on.
Stick to your opinion. It doesn't really matter or change things. I know leodis taking it out was the right call. As did his coach... whom is a top notch special teams coach. But, being "Chick", you're all knowing. You make yourself look as feeble on here as your bodybuilding career was, pro.
This is called "reading what you want into it..."
To the effect?? I dont need your "interpretation" of what I wrote, it's still there for anyone (except you) to comprehend and read....good luck
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;D
I take back my tiny tit comments etc.
Youre still wrong on the football call though.
BTW, being from Rochester, tell me youre a Bills fan
Great....now answer the question
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Great....now answer the question
No, of course different plays are selected. But you weren't talking about this. Go back and reread your posts. Maybe what youre trying to convey is being lost in the translation of this thing...
Chick, are you a bills fan or no?
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No, of course different plays are selected. But you weren't talking about this. Go back and reread your posts. Maybe what youre trying to convey is being lost in the translation of this thing...
Chick, are you a bills fan or no?
Its EXACTLY what I was talking about...I suggest YOU re-read it....seriously, you're making a fool of yourself..
As yes, I grew up in Upstate NY...I did many appearances/ charity functions with many of the Bills players
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WTF are you talking about? The play selection would have been different, the defense would have been different, the circumstances would have been different...
Stick to making an ass of yourself, you do a good job
Perhaps this quote will help you
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Glad to see youre a Bills fan regardless of your lack of football knowledge. ;)
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Glad to see youre a Bills fan regardless of your lack of football knowledge. ;)
chick played high school football so he knows a thing or two
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This isn't funny, but next time, he'll probably stay in the endzone:
McKelvin's front lawn vandalized
HAMBURG, N.Y. -- Bills players are concerned with their privacy and safety after the front lawn of a home belonging to cornerback Leodis McKelvin was vandalized following Buffalo's season-opening loss to New England.
Hamburg police on Tuesday confirmed the home of a Bills player was vandalized, but declined to release details of their investigation after an obscenity and the score of Monday night's game -- a 25-24 loss to the Patriots -- were painted in white on the player's lawn in suburban Buffalo.
McKelvin fumbled a kickoff return with under two minutes to play and the Bills leading 24-19. Three plays later, New England's Tom Brady hit Benjamin Watson for the go-ahead touchdown as the Patriots overcome an 11-point deficit in the final 2:06.
Bills linebacker Kawika Mitchell referred to a teammate's home being vandalized in a post on his Twitter page, though he did not say it was McKelvin's home. Mitchell warned fans that such behavior is disturbing.
"W/ all the safety issues n the NFL its not funny at all," Mitchell wrote. "We have Fam at our homes to protect. If u show ur face on my prop Ill make sure I do everythin to keep my Fam safe."
Mitchell warned that he would consider vandalism threatening behavior if it happened to his home.
"Its my job to protect my home as it is the job of all home owners. Dont push the limit," Mitchell wrote.
Though Bills fans are passionate about their team, Monday's night's vandalism is surprising. Bills players previously have hailed the team's fans for being respectful and allowing players their privacy.
Bills spokesman Scott Berchtold declined comment by saying the team considers this a police matter.
A message left on a phone listed to McKelvin was not returned.
It's not clear if there was anyone at home at the time the vandalism occurred.
Bills players had the day off before returning to practice Wednesday to prepare to host Tampa Bay this weekend.
Bills safety George Wilson was shocked upon learning the news earlier in the day.
"To see that type of response from so-called passionate fans is taking things to the extreme," said Wilson, who is the team's union representative. "You can blog and make your opinions, but to go to a person's residence, you're taking it to a whole new level."
McKelvin, selected in the first round of the 2008 draft out of Troy, set a team record and ranked second in the NFL with 1,468 kickoff return yards last season. He also scored a touchdown.
He opened this season by taking over a starting job opposite veteran cornerback Terrence McGee.
After the game against the Patriots, McKelvin was criticized for running the ball out of the end zone rather than taking a knee. After being hit by Brandon Meriweather at the Bills 30, McKelvin attempted to gain an extra yard before being stripped of the ball by Pierre Woods.
Following the game, McKelvin said he was disappointed that he fumbled but noted he would run the ball out of the end zone again if given the same opportunity.
"Next time I get the opportunity, I am going to hold on and make a better decision," he said.
Coach Dick Jauron defended McKelvin.
"He's a dynamic runner and he was trying to win a football game, ice a football game," Jauron said, adding that McKelvin attempted to protect the ball with two hands. "It's just one of those things that happens, but I don't have any problems with Leodis. He plays the game hard."
With a nod to Terrell Owens, defensive end Aaron Schobel was upbeat a day after yet another Monday night meltdown by the Bills.
"I think Terrell said it best before and after the game," Schobel said. "He said he's been on a lot of teams and said we've got talent. We've just got to put it together. I think he's right."
Schobel did express concern that the Bills continue to struggle to seal victories. They lost 29-27 to Cleveland on a Monday night last season on Phil Dawson's 56-yard field goal with 1:39 left. Two years ago on a Monday night, Buffalo gave up 9 points in the final 20 seconds in a 25-24 loss to Dallas.
"The bottom line is when you have a chance to win the game, win the game. We didn't do that," he said. "It's a long season and we're going to be all right. We've just got to get on a roll."
everything Mitchell said did not need to be said in public(twitter or whatever)...Talk about stoking a mini-fire...Although I agree with what he said, it just didn't need to be said...I wonder how bad his house is going to get egg'd come Halloween...Lets hope tuff guy Mitchell doesn't shoot someone who decides to toilet paper is BMW...
Just saw the guys lawn on Jim Rome is burning...What a joke...You can't even really read it and Rome is making it look like they set the guys house on fire...Where is Jim Rome when fans and players are being poisoned(food) in Green Bay...
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The chance of fumbling when you DONT run the ball out of the endzone...is ZERO....Einstein
Every other hypothetical, is irrelevant.
You just made my point...
Dude your contradicting yourself. So going by your logic THE PLAYERS SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD PUT THEMSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE THERE IS A POSSIBILITY TO TURNOVER THE BALL... is that correct? but then you go ahead and say ( a quote from your previous post) "You take a knee, and let your O take over to make a few first downs, there was no reason for any special team heroics...they were ahead"... so going by your logic the Bills should have taken 3 knees ( therefore the possibility of them turning it over is virtually ZERO), and then punt it to the pats??
get your story straight man
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If ignorance is bliss, many of you in this thread would be smiling!!!
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I'm a Bills fan. My heart can't take these games anymore. Sucks so bad.
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Dude your contradicting yourself. So going by your logic THE PLAYERS SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD PUT THEMSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE THERE IS A POSSIBILITY TO TURNOVER THE BALL... is that correct? but then you go ahead and say ( a quote from your previous post) "You take a knee, and let your O take over to make a few first downs, there was no reason for any special team heroics...they were ahead"... so going by your logic the Bills should have taken 3 knees ( therefore the possibility of them turning it over is virtually ZERO), and then punt it to the pats??
get your story straight man
WOW...too stupid to even respond with an answer
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WOW...too stupid to even respond with an answer
i guess we're back to square one, you really are that fucking stupid... just stick to MCing a bunch of oilded up men in thongs on a stage , obviously you cant talk football.. you dont have an answer and try to justify it by sayiing " wow too stupid to respond"
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What if he had....oh wait...
Then they could have....oh yeah I forgot...
The Pats could have done....shit....
If so and so hadn't made this call....
Instead of asking the above, or going on and attempting to forecast the future (only Alex23 can do that), try to deal with the scenario of WHAT ACTUALLY PLAYED OUT!!!!
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i guess we're back to square one, you really are that fucking stupid... just stick to MCing a bunch of oilded up men in thongs on a stage , obviously you cant talk football.. you dont have an answer and try to justify it by sayiing " wow too stupid to respond"
I thought Cotrane was the biggest fool on this thread, but I weas wrong...you are by a mile.
First, the two quotes from me you used say the EXACT SAME THING...there is no contradiction...you're the one coming up with these wild senarios and going to extremes to try and make a point...TIME was the factor, and the Bills needed to get first downs, or at least move the ball downfield enough to put the Pats back deep in their own side if they did have to punt....so, your senario is completely RETARDED....
You down the ball in the EZ, so as to avoid EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED...moron
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Jim Rome said some idiot Bills fans broke on to players home property and vandized his lawn after the fumbled kick off and subsequent loss to the Pats
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WOW...too stupid to even respond with an answer
Classic comeback when you are stumped.
Chick, you know nada about football.
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I thought Cotrane was the biggest fool on this thread, but I weas wrong...you are by a mile.
First, the two quotes from me you used say the EXACT SAME THING...there is no contradiction...you're the one coming up with these wild senarios and going to extremes to try and make a point...TIME was the factor, and the Bills needed to get first downs, or at least move the ball downfield enough to put the Pats back deep in their own side if they did have to punt....so, your senario is completely RETARDED....
You down the ball in the EZ, so as to avoid EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED...moron
Chick,
Have you ever played football at any level in your life?
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Chick,
Have you ever played football at any level in your life?
Can't speak for him
but
he did compete in bb as a teen from 14 or 15 and up....so unlikely he also played football during this time
I could be wrong, though
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Chick,
Have you ever played football at any level in your life?
Read this thread in total and you've got your answer... ;D
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Read this thread in total and you've got your answer... ;D
More like, have you? ;D
And not talking about grab-ass two hand touch with your law school buddies in the quad.
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More like, have you? ;D
And not talking about grab-ass two hand touch with your law school buddies in the quad.
lol. THAT just brought back some funny memories of law school... only it was wiffle ball...
thanks. :)
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Can't speak for him
but
he did compete in bb as a teen from 14 or 15 and up....so unlikely he also played football during this time
I could be wrong, though
And you are....played from Youth leaue at 9 yeras old to the State Championship game in HS (which we won)...
But playing ball doesnt make one wise to they smartest play, as evidenced by the "experts" in this thread...
Coltrane likes to throw shit around, but cant refute anything I've brought up...
This whole debate comes down to one thing...you dont return out of the endone in this situaton because IF you fumble the ball, you may end up losing the game .....and that possibility is increased when you have a defense coming down the field at full speed with the INTENT of causing a fumble...
If he was on the 1 yard line, then he just gets shit for fumbling the ball, but had no choice but to return it.
Being IN the EZ, he had the choice...
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And you are....played from Youth leaue at 9 yeras old to the State Championship game in HS (which we won)...
But playing ball doesnt make one wise to they smartest play, as evidenced by the "experts" in this thread...
Coltrane likes to throw shit around, but cant refute anything I've brought up...
This whole debate comes down to one thing...you dont return out of the endone in this situaton because IF you fumble the ball, you may end up losing the game .....and that possibility is increased when you have a defense coming down the field at full speed with the INTENT of causing a fumble...
If he was on the 1 yard line, then he just gets shit for fumbling the ball, but had no choice but to return it.
Being IN the EZ, he had the choice...
I own Chick.
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JETS ;D
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And you are....played from Youth leaue at 9 yeras old to the State Championship game in HS (which we won)...
But playing ball doesnt make one wise to they smartest play, as evidenced by the "experts" in this thread...
Coltrane likes to throw shit around, but cant refute anything I've brought up...
This whole debate comes down to one thing...you dont return out of the endone in this situaton because IF you fumble the ball, you may end up losing the game .....and that possibility is increased when you have a defense coming down the field at full speed with the INTENT of causing a fumble...
If he was on the 1 yard line, then he just gets shit for fumbling the ball, but had no choice but to return it.
Being IN the EZ, he had the choice...
Chic sounds like Al Bundy. Chic, did you go to Polk High?
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He absolutely did the right thing there.
If he woulda kneeled down, it wouldn't have been enough time to run the clock out. It wouldna been 3 and out, letting brady back on. They needed to try to get some yardage in order to either kick 3 pts or set the patriots offense far enough back.
Dude did the right thing in returning it......... The WRONG thing occurred in reaching out for the extra yard while being tackled.
But in returning the ball, he most certainly did the right thing in playing the team they were playing against.
You're so wrong. 3 and out still ends up in you punting from the 25 or so with much less time on the clock. That's worst case scenario other than a fumble or INT. If he took the knee, went 3 and out the pats would have gotten it back around their own 30, not the Bills 30.
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JETS
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Chic sounds like Al Bundy. Chic, did you go to Polk High?
Close...Greece Athena
Sadly, at this point, I AM AL Bundy...
Lets rock!
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This guy is pretty dumb
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Close...Greece Athena
Sadly, at this point, I AM AL Bundy...
Lets rock!
;D great show.
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Chic sounds like Al Bundy. Chic, did you go to Polk High?
LMFAO!!!
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This guy is pretty dumb
Damn, I actually kinda felt sorry for that kid. Very polite and humble, but man oh man did the US education fail him or what?