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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10092081/Coronavirus-Australia-Northern-Territory-leader-Michael-
Gunner-announces-Covid-vaccine-mandate.html
'Australia has fallen': Major move to fine the unvaccinated $5,000 if they turn up to work without the jab sparks furious international reaction online
Northern Territory ordered thousands to get vaxxed or be banned from work
If workers turn up to many jobs unvaccinated, they'll be fined $5,000
The deadline to have at least one jab is November 12 - just 28 days away
The NT chief minister's tough speech sparked an #Australiahasfallen hashtag
Debate raged about the controversial vaccine mandate, one of many in Australia
If this had happened 3 years ago in the Middle East the UK and USA would have invaded.
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I support it. Go all the way until people can understand what this is about.
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I support it. Go all the way until people can understand what this is about.
I really wish I didnt have the ability to think for myself, its a curse sometimes..
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I really wish I didnt have the ability to think for myself, its a curse sometimes..
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10092081/Coronavirus-Australia-Northern-Territory-leader-Michael-
If this had happened 3 years ago in the Middle East the UK and USA would have invaded.
we arent far behind in Saskatchewan. We now have the covid isolation camps. They will take you out of your house or wherever and put you in the isolation camp under detention. Now this "camp" is at the North Battleford Hospital, which is actually the highest level mental institution in the province,......I know Ive had to stay there twice and its not a fun place, its essentially a more comfortable version of jail
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I`m never getting the vaccine no matter who says I have to...................... ....fuck them !!
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I really wish I didnt have the ability to think for myself, its a curse sometimes..
I'm surprised the Aussies are going for this and not revolting.
Seen pockets of stuff, but not much overall.
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we arent far behind in Saskatchewan. We now have the covid isolation camps. They will take you out of your house or wherever and put you in the isolation camp under detention. Now this "camp" is at the North Battleford Hospital, which is actually the highest level mental institution in the province,......I know Ive had to stay there twice and its not a fun place, its essentially a more comfortable version of jail
You can't make people leave their PROPERTY. What law is this ? Come on, do something
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You can't make people leave their PROPERTY. What law is this ? Come on, do something
this law in the UK
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/22
45GPower to order health measures in relation to persons
(1)A justice of the peace may make an order under subsection (2) in relation to a person (“P”) if the justice is satisfied that—
(a)P is or may be infected or contaminated,
(b)the infection or contamination is one which presents or could present significant harm to human health,
(c)there is a risk that P might infect or contaminate others, and
(d)it is necessary to make the order in order to remove or reduce that risk.
(2)The order may impose on or in relation to P one or more of the following restrictions or requirements—
(a)that P submit to medical examination;
(b)that P be removed to a hospital or other suitable establishment;
(c)that P be detained in a hospital or other suitable establishment;
(d)that P be kept in isolation or quarantine;
(e)that P be disinfected or decontaminated;
(f)that P wear protective clothing;
(g)that P provide information or answer questions about P's health or other circumstances;
(h)that P's health be monitored and the results reported;
(i)that P attend training or advice sessions on how to reduce the risk of infecting or contaminating others;
(j)that P be subject to restrictions on where P goes or with whom P has contact;
(k)that P abstain from working or trading.
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I'm surprised the Aussies are going for this and not revolting.
Seen pockets of stuff, but not much overall.
For starters, they can do it because they took away their means to defend themselves
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this law in the UK
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/22
45GPower to order health measures in relation to persons
(1)A justice of the peace may make an order under subsection (2) in relation to a person (“P”) if the justice is satisfied that—
(a)P is or may be infected or contaminated,
(b)the infection or contamination is one which presents or could present significant harm to human health,
(c)there is a risk that P might infect or contaminate others, and
(d)it is necessary to make the order in order to remove or reduce that risk.
(2)The order may impose on or in relation to P one or more of the following restrictions or requirements—
(a)that P submit to medical examination;
(b)that P be removed to a hospital or other suitable establishment;
(c)that P be detained in a hospital or other suitable establishment;
(d)that P be kept in isolation or quarantine;
(e)that P be disinfected or decontaminated;
(f)that P wear protective clothing;
(g)that P provide information or answer questions about P's health or other circumstances;
(h)that P's health be monitored and the results reported;
(i)that P attend training or advice sessions on how to reduce the risk of infecting or contaminating others;
(j)that P be subject to restrictions on where P goes or with whom P has contact;
(k)that P abstain from working or trading.
Unbelievable. When this law was made?
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Unbelievable. When this law was made?
1984, it has had various amendments made to it
the section I quoted can be enforced by local Justice of the Peace, it doesnt have to be a National thing
It also cites the seizure and destruction of all your property as well including your home
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Actually I don’t believe Australia has gone far enough IMHO. 🙁
In my country if you don’t get vaccinated you lose your job.🙂
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Actually I don’t believe Australia has gone far enough IMHO. 🙁
In my country if you don’t get vaccinated you lose your job.🙂
What country?
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1984, it has had various amendments made to it
the section I quoted can be enforced by local Justice of the Peace, it doesnt have to be a National thing
It also cites the seizure and destruction of all your property as well including your home
That is not a democracy. I live in a third world country and we have oppression but you guys surpassed us by miles right now...
Here we have a law that if your house is in a place and it is wanted for public use, they pay you ( less than it's value of course) and you give it to the government.
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What country?
Canada
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Canada
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Canada is one of the U.S. states isn't it?
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For starters, they can do it because they took away their means to defend themselves
What means would those be?
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Canada is one of the U.S. states isn't it?
Haha….basically. 🙂
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What means would those be?
Guns.
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What country?
Also, if you want to get on a plane or train in Canada you’ll need to be fully vaccinated too.🙂
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Haha….basically. 🙂
Just kidding. Canada is fine.
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Guns.
It is legal to own a gun in Australia as long as you have a license to do so. In Canada, it depends on the type of gun. Automatic weapons are out, handguns are restricted, hunting rifles and shotguns are not restricted.
Do you think Coach is suggesting people shoot the authorities to avoid being vaccinated or in Canada, quarantined should they get COVID? If someone can't cope with a couple of weeks of quarantine, they may find spending the rest of their lives in prison impossible. They might as well use the gun on themselves.
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The media is telling people getting vaccinated means you won’t get Covid.
We have plenty of spastics here.
People here don’t and probably will never understand that vaccinations are not the answer to the problem. So that’s why people aggressively push vax and lies about what the vax does, brainwashed belief.
I had my 2nd jab so I could ride my bike alone in the forest lol.
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It is legal to own a gun in Australia as long as you have a license to do so. In Canada, it depends on the type of gun. Automatic weapons are out, handguns are restricted, hunting rifles and shotguns are not restricted.
Do you think Coach is suggesting people shoot the authorities to avoid being vaccinated or in Canada, quarantined should they get COVID? If someone can't cope with a couple of weeks of quarantine, they may find spending the rest of their lives in prison impossible. They might as well use the gun on themselves.
Ask Coach.
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The media is telling people getting vaccinated means you won’t get Covid.
We have plenty of spastics here.
People here don’t and probably will never understand that vaccinations are not the answer to the problem. So that’s why people aggressively push vax and lies about what the vax does, brainwashed belief.
I had my 2nd jab so I could ride my bike alone in the forest lol.
So which direction are you going with these comments? You had the vaccine in order to conduct your life as you normally would and yet you seem to be advising folks against getting vaccinated.
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The media is telling people getting vaccinated means you won’t get Covid.
We have plenty of spastics here.
People here don’t and probably will never understand that vaccinations are not the answer to the problem. So that’s why people aggressively push vax and lies about what the vax does, brainwashed belief.
I had my 2nd jab so I could ride my bike alone in the forest lol.
NO ONE has ever claimed you can’t get COVID if you’re vaccinated.
It does greatly reduce the risk and severity of a COVID infection however.
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Ask Coach.
Pretty sure he'll chime in soon.
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I support it. Go all the way until people can understand what this is about.
Another coward who will die as a coward.
Go get fucked in the ass coward.
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Actually I don’t believe Australia has gone far enough IMHO. 🙁
In my country if you don’t get vaccinated you lose your job.🙂
Go fuck your mother coward.
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Go fuck your mother coward.
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Someone ban this guy.
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Someone ban this guy.
No cancelling on Getbig.
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Someone ban this guy.
Ironic that an antivaxxer, who is all about “freedom”, wants to ban someone from a public forum.🙁
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10092081/Coronavirus-Australia-Northern-Territory-leader-Michael-
If this had happened 3 years ago in the Middle East the UK and USA would have invaded.
- Just name the Daily Mail journalist who lives in the Nothern Territory !.
- Jack from Humpty Doo say Hi to all Pommies ;D
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For starters, they can do it because they took away their means to defend themselves
::) ???
Crocs,water buffalos & wet season is far the #.1 danger in the Northern Territory !.
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Ironic that an antivaxxer, who is all about “freedom”, wants to ban someone from a public forum.🙁
Freedom? I'm about an eye for 2 eyes. You believe people should lose their jobs because of a vaxx, I believe you should gtfo because of it and lose your life. I wake up somedays wishing I meet somebody like you so I can change his face.
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Freedom? I'm about an eye for 2 eyes. You believe people should lose their jobs because of a vaxx, I believe you should gtfo because of it and lose your life. I wake up somedays wishing I meet somebody like you so I can change his face.
ooooo with that last line you now must enter the toughest getbigger thread
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ooooo with that last line you now must enter the toughest getbigger thread
Thanks if it's a compliment. I don't like annoying pos like him. His kind own a voice only in the internet. It's a dilemma. We get so damn hyped up here and once we go out everyone is a nice kinda man.
In a good authoritarian country, it won't be a vaxx mandate, but a last comments mandate written over the fuck of people to know what we're dealing with.
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they went full retard years ago.
https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-firearms-agreement.html
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Thanks if it's a compliment. I don't like annoying pos like him. His kind own a voice only in the internet. It's a dilemma. We get so damn hyped up here and once we go out everyone is a nice kinda man.
In a good authoritarian country, it won't be a vaxx mandate, but a last comments mandate written over the fuck of people to know what we're dealing with.
Ummm....the majority of people are vaccinated. We are not simply a "small voice only in the internet." LOL
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Freedom? I'm about an eye for 2 eyes. You believe people should lose their jobs because of a vaxx, I believe you should gtfo because of it and lose your life. I wake up somedays wishing I meet somebody like you so I can change his face.
People need to realize that the world doesn't owe them a paycheck. If you do something that puts your coworkers in danger (ie. refuse to get vaccinated) you should get fired.
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1984
Say no more.
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So which direction are you going with these comments? You had the vaccine in order to conduct your life as you normally would and yet you seem to be advising folks against getting vaccinated.
People should make their own decision based on their circumstance and others should allow this freedom given the vax has not been and will not be the solution. I fully support people making a choice.
My circumstance was restriction of movement, restriction of my sport and associated travel which I do frequently, not allowed to return to work, aggressive social division of vaccinated people towards unvaccinated. My country has pretty much demonised anyone who does not get vaccinated and life is being made very difficult for them.
The reality is the data shows the vaccinations are fairly useless at this point. Israel is 95% fully vaxed and locked down because of case numbers. Best case vaccination lowers your chance of death. Here we have 95% of hospital admission people who are vaccinated yet they make up only 50% of the population. Our country forced fast double vax shots and this is what you get, suppressed immune system which then catches Covid and you can’t fight it off as your body hasn’t had time to build a defense.
Rumour has it Oz govt is going to force us to have a jab every 10wks.
This is seasonal and will continue to be seasonal. Best case future short term is we open for summer, lock down for winter.
The real problem here is mob mentality because morons think that if they get vaxed life gets back to normal.
the global energy shortage we purposely created just now has gone completely under the radar because the masses are distracted. All that processed food people like to eat is going to see shortages because energy just hit the very start of the food supply chain.
If you don’t realise the global logistics system is still broken.
If you don’t realise volumes and production are declining which puts downward pressure on wages and upwards pressure in unemployment.
If you don’t realise energy shortages put downward pressure on volume/productivity for everything in our lives.
If you don’t realise less volume = higher prices and less productivity = lower wages.
But you are going apeshit at people who don’t want a vaccine which the data shows is bordering on a placebo you are about to end up a wrecked pleb.
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So which direction are you going with these comments? You had the vaccine in order to conduct your life as you normally would and yet you seem to be advising folks against getting vaccinated.
Ah, are things "back to normal" in countries that have the highest vaccinations rates? No...they have the highest breakthrough infection rate as well, which makes them double down on the booster policy...for vaccines that didn't work in the fist place.
Can you read the above a few times so you understand it?
Governmental circular firing squad if I've ever seen one.
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The media is telling people getting vaccinated means you won’t get Covid.
We have plenty of spastics here.
People here don’t and probably will never understand that vaccinations are not the answer to the problem. So that’s why people aggressively push vax and lies about what the vax does, brainwashed belief.
I had my 2nd jab so I could ride my bike alone in the forest lol.
You are either a lying sack of shit or a dumb mother fucker. No offense. ;)
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People should make their own decision based on their circumstance and others should allow this freedom given the vax has not been and will not be the solution. I fully support people making a choice.
My circumstance was restriction of movement, restriction of my sport and associated travel which I do frequently, not allowed to return to work, aggressive social division of vaccinated people towards unvaccinated. My country has pretty much demonised anyone who does not get vaccinated and life is being made very difficult for them.
The reality is the data shows the vaccinations are fairly useless at this point. Israel is 95% fully vaxed and locked down because of case numbers. Best case vaccination lowers your chance of death. Here we have 95% of hospital admission people who are vaccinated yet they make up only 50% of the population. Our country forced fast double vax shots and this is what you get, suppressed immune system which then catches Covid and you can’t fight it off as your body hasn’t had time to build a defense.
Rumour has it Oz govt is going to force us to have a jab every 10wks.
This is seasonal and will continue to be seasonal. Best case future short term is we open for summer, lock down for winter.
The real problem here is mob mentality because morons think that if they get vaxed life gets back to normal.
the global energy shortage we purposely created just now has gone completely under the radar because the masses are distracted. All that processed food people like to eat is going to see shortages because energy just hit the very start of the food supply chain.
If you don’t realise the global logistics system is still broken.
If you don’t realise volumes and production are declining which puts downward pressure on wages and upwards pressure in unemployment.
If you don’t realise energy shortages put downward pressure on volume/productivity for everything in our lives.
If you don’t realise less volume = higher prices and less productivity = lower wages.
But you are going apeshit at people who don’t want a vaccine which the data shows is bordering on a placebo you are about to end up a wrecked pleb.
I see that this is a well thought out post but I'm not totally understanding what you are trying to say here.
Are you suggesting that the vaccine makes you MORE likely to catch COVID?
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Ah, are things "back to normal" in countries that have the highest vaccinations rates? No...they have the highest breakthrough infection rate as well, which makes them double down on the booster policy...for vaccines that didn't work in the fist place.
Can you read the above a few times so you understand it?
Governmental circular firing squad if I've ever seen one.
Of course countries that have the highest vaccination rate will also have the highest breakthough infection rate. That is common sense.
What is your point though? This does not provide evidence for not getting vaccinated.
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https://globalnews.ca/news/8230051/covid-vaccine-hospitalization-risk-ontario/ (https://globalnews.ca/news/8230051/covid-vaccine-hospitalization-risk-ontario/)
6,000% more likely to end up in the ICU if you are unvaccinated! The evidence is undeniable!
Also, the guy in the video reminds me of every antivaxxer I've ever dealt with.
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Best case vaccination lowers your chance of death.
lmfao... ::)
there is no 'best case' for the godless cowards who bent the knee.
terminally braindead tards who willingly allow an abominable, experimental gene altering poison +, with known dire effects - and zero upside whatsoever - to be injected inside of their body r surely some of the most pathetic, useless and spiritually dead cowards to have ever existed.
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NO ONE has ever claimed you can’t get COVID if you’re vaccinated.
It does greatly reduce the risk and severity of a COVID infection however.
so how does someone not having one hurt anyone else?
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- Just name the Daily Mail journalist who lives in the Nothern Territory !.
- Jack from Humpty Doo say Hi to all Pommies ;D
its in the video you moron
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I really wish I didnt have the ability to think for myself, its a curse sometimes..
And "your kind" are being eliminated.
"Resistance is futile." -- The Borg
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its in the video you moron
MORON is you , The Daily Mail is Poms trash !.
You have no clue about AU geography !.
"Australia has fallen" ::), only the MORONS believe in that !.
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its in the video you moron
Simple yet succinct. ;D
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Simple yet succinct. ;D
Tell that in pashtun lingo ;D
How is family in Kandahar !.
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so how does someone not having one hurt anyone else?
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try answering the question...
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try answering the question...
Antivaxxers like yourself spread the virus AND overwhelm the healthcare system.
(As I’ve told you several times before already)
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Statistically Speaking Covid is essentially the Flu unless you are Obese or Old. I have never had a flu shot not getting an annual Covid shot.
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Statistically Speaking Covid is essentially the Flu unless you are Obese or Old. I have never had a flu shot not getting an annual Covid shot.
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Antivaxxers like yourself spread the virus AND overwhelm the healthcare system.
(As I’ve told you several times before already)
nope, that not true, vaccinated people dont show symptoms so spread the virus , if an unvaxed person gets ill they show symptoms and can stay home
And I have paid into the health care system for 40 years, Im entitled to be looked after.
The NHS is "overwhealmed" every winter, it always has been.
Doctors and nurses are paid to look after people, its their job, without people in hospital they would be unemployed.
Last year hospitals were runing on 20% or less of their overall capacity, they let the public down, they should hang their heads in shame.
They are now responsible for the early deaths of people with late diagnosis of several conditions.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10092081/Coronavirus-Australia-Northern-Territory-leader-Michael-
If this had happened 3 years ago in the Middle East the UK and USA would have invaded.
No they wouldn't,there is no oil there.
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No they wouldn't,there is no oil there.
Truth.
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nope, that not true, vaccinated people dont show symptoms so spread the virus , if an unvaxed person gets ill they show symptoms and can stay home
And I have paid into the health care system for 40 years, Im entitled to be looked after.
The NHS is "overwhealmed" every winter, it always has been.
Doctors and nurses are paid to look after people, its their job, without people in hospital they would be unemployed.
Last year hospitals were runing on 20% or less of their overall capacity, they let the public down, they should hang their heads in shame.
They are now responsible for the early deaths of people with late diagnosis of several conditions.
So the antivaxxers are helping all the Doctors and nurses by getting sick and keeping them employed?
This I agree with.🙂
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But, but - all the deaths!!!
Only 28,607,342 of 28,609,131 Canadians under age 60 have made it this far into the pandemic so far without dying a horrifying death!!!
ONLY 99.9937% ARE STILL ALIVE AFTER 21 MONTHS OF THIS VIRUS LANDING IN CANADA IN TORONTO [via a man from Wuhan, China, lol - you can't make this up].
And it's not like over 80% of the 1,789 in the under 60 age group who died were either obese or had multiple underlying conditions, or both, or anything like that.
Oh wait!
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But, but - all the deaths!!!
Only 28,607,342 of 28,609,131 Canadians under age 60 have made it this far into the pandemic so far without dying a horrifying death!!!
ONLY 99.9937% ARE STILL ALIVE AFTER 21 MONTHS OF THIS VIRUS LANDING IN CANADA IN TORONTO [via a man from Wuhan, China, lol - you can't make this up].
And it's not like over 80% of the 1,789 in the under 69 age group who died were either obese or had multiple underlying conditions, or both, or anything like that.
Oh wait!
There’s a HUGE error in your logic.
Should the US have ignored the 911 attacks because 99.99% of Americans survived it?
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There’s a HUGE error in your logic.
Should the US have ignored the 911 attacks because 99.99% of Americans survived it?
I wouldn't say ignore....but the freedom that was given away in the Patriot Act actually punished and surveilled the citizens not the "evil doers". |
That sorta rhymes with what is going on right now, except this is like 100x the scale and instead of coverup it's just massive disinfo.
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For starters, they can do it because they took away their means to defend themselves
didn't the state govt shut down your business for months last year?
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NO ONE has ever claimed you can’t get COVID if you’re vaccinated.
It does greatly reduce the risk and severity of a COVID infection however.
Advocating for muzzles, isolation, imprisonment, electronic fingerprints, and forced injections for the rest of your life. All for a flue with a 99% survival rate. All the thousands upon thousands of Canadian soldiers who does for a better world would be sick to their stomachs listening to you. You are not my alpha male countryman.
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Advocating for muzzles, isolation, imprisonment, electronic fingerprints, and forced injections for the rest of your life. All for a flue with a 99% survival rate. All the thousands upon thousands of Canadian soldiers who does for a better world would be sick to their stomachs listening to you. You are not my alpha male countryman.
Of course not its shizzo
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Advocating for muzzles, isolation, imprisonment, electronic fingerprints, and forced injections for the rest of your life. All for a flue with a 99% survival rate. All the thousands upon thousands of Canadian soldiers who does for a better world would be sick to their stomachs listening to you. You are not my alpha male countryman.
That’s the most IRONIC post so far.
To be a Canadian soldier you need to take 13 different vaccines.
These soldiers would have pissed all over peons like you!😆😆😆
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Advocating for muzzles, isolation, imprisonment, electronic fingerprints, and forced injections for the rest of your life. All for a flue with a 99% survival rate. All the thousands upon thousands of Canadian soldiers who does for a better world would be sick to their stomachs listening to you. You are not my alpha male countryman.
Also it’s not ALL Canadians that are losing their freedom….just the antivaxxers!
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Also it’s not ALL Canadians that are losing their freedom….just the antivaxxers!
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freedom is gone for everyone...vaxed or not
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freedom is gone for everyone...vaxed or not
Nope…just the antivaxxers!
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Nope…just the antivaxxers!
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better to die on your feet than live on your knees..
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There’s a HUGE error in your logic.
Should the US have ignored the 911 attacks because 99.99% of Americans survived it?
Wait? You are making an equivalence between the effects of a disease to an act of war?
Matt has ADD but he is no dummy. It is you that is making a huge error in logic in making this equivalence.
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So the antivaxxers are helping all the Doctors and nurses by getting sick and keeping them employed?
This I agree with.🙂
So you feel that this is an issue with the medical profession
employment?
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There’s a HUGE error in your logic.
Should the US have ignored the 911 attacks because 99.99% of Americans survived it?
wasnt 9/11 payback for all the murders committed by American and allied troups in the Middle East?
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People need to realize that the world doesn't owe them a paycheck. If you do something that puts your coworkers in danger (ie. refuse to get vaccinated) you should get fired.
Does that apply to the flu as well?
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Wait? You are making an equivalence between the effects of a disease to an act of war?
Matt has ADD but he is no dummy. It is you that is making a huge error in logic in making this equivalence.
Lol at the misdirection.😆
This just shows that I’m right.😎
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Lol at the misdirection.😆
This just shows that I’m right.😎
And that's logic.
Thanks for proving my point.
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And that's logic.
Thanks for proving my point.
Oh yeah. Tell it to the judge!
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Does that apply to the flu as well?
Exactly
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freedom is gone for everyone...vaxed or not
He's not deep enough to understand this. The CBC has ravaged his brain..
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That’s the most IRONIC post so far.
To be a Canadian soldier you need to take 13 different vaccines.
These soldiers would have pissed all over peons like you!😆😆😆
Ironic is these soldiers are no longer needed as they have nothing left to fight for lol. If people no longer have rights over their own bodies what do they have left?
Why would you choose this new world order over the way things were before? I'm starting to think you're just trolling because there's no possible way you could be this fcking stupid.. ???
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Ironic is these soldiers are no longer needed as they have nothing left to fight for lol. If people no longer have rights over their own bodies what do they have left?
Why would you choose this new world order over the way things were before? I'm starting to think you're just trolling because there's no possible way you could be this fcking stupid.. ???
Of course no one is forcing anyone to have the vaccine. 🙂
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He's not deep enough to understand this. The CBC has ravaged his brain..
Actually I heard “taking it deep” was your specialty.
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Of course no one is forcing anyone to have the vaccine. 🙂
"This work was strictly voluntary, but any animal who absented himself from it would have his rations reduced by half." - Animal Farm
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"This work was strictly voluntary, but any animal who absented himself from it would have his rations reduced by half." - Animal Farm
Not ALL animals….just antivaxxers.
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There’s a HUGE error in your logic.
Should the US have ignored the 911 attacks because 99.99% of Americans survived it?
Ignore it: no.
But invade Iraq for it? I don't think that was appropriate.
I quit the Canadian Army over that war. I refused to be, ultimately, a soldier of George W. Bush Jr., who I feel is a war criminal. I couldn't live with myself morally while Canada was allied with that [expletive] man. Say what you will about Saddam Hussein: he had nothing to do with 9/11, he had no weapons of mass destruction, and he kept Iraq in line.
Sweden essentially did nothing about COVID, aside from recommend masking, and advise people to wash their hands after talking a shit [Kwon, Van - correct me if I'm wrong].
Sweden has had around 2.1x the deaths per-capita as Canada had [something like 15K deaths from a 10M population versus Canada with 28K deaths from a 38M population].
Consider the average age of death is around 80, and over 80% of those who died had multiple underlying comorbodities plus obesity.
In other words, these "thousands and thousands" who died in both nations literally lost only about two years of lifespan per person/death.
People compare it to WWII: that's not an analogous comparison. 600K males aged 22 and 700K deaths aged 84 in the USA are NOT the same thing. The disparity in lifespan lost between both groups is ENORMOUS. Apples and grapefruits comparison. Utter bollocks.
Now consider:
Canada, had we done nothing, would have probably had about the Swedish death rate - so 2.1x as many deaths would be around 59K deaths.
Canada has spent over $600 BILLION on this. Sweden spent NO such money.
Sweden didn't spend proportionally that much money.
Sweden didn't lose proportionally 10,000 restaurants alone, not to mention all manner of other business closures.
Think about this alone:
$600 billion could provide $600,000 to Canada's most vulnerable ONE MILLION PEOPLE.
Or equivalently, Canada could have given $2.4 million to Canada's most vulnerable 250,000 people.
What do you think $2.4 million could do? That is LIFE-CHANGING money.
That could easily extend Canada's 250,000 most vulnerable people's lifespans by 30 years each.
So, HAD WE DONE NOTHING [this is literally just basic math here]:
Canada would have had 2.1x the number of extremely elderly dying [the extremely elderly and obese comprise something like 99.5% of all deaths]. But they only lost at most, three years each, on average.
~30K x 3 years = 90K lifespan years lost. When you do the math, it's sort of like losing 1,100 people, in a sense. I mean, don't tell me my 89-year-old grandmother dying tomorrow is on par with my 4-year-old daughter dying tomorrow. My grandmother, as much as I care for her, has lived a full, rich life. My daughter has not. And these policies are taking away her chance to have that full life.
Now, had we done nothing, we'd have over $600 BILLION in money freed up, that went to deficits.
That could extend the lives of 250,000 people by 30 years.
250K x 30 = 7.5 million.
That's closer to 100,000 lives, friend.
Another more salient example:
Did you know that among Canadians aged 20-49, we have lost something like 600 people?
Did you know that during lockdown, we had OVER TEN TIMES as many die of **ADDITIONAL** opioid overdoses in 2020, compared to 2019.
Not overdoses.
ADDITIONAL OVERDOSES. OVER AND ABOVE the 2019 numbers. Caused by...presumably lockdowns and Canada doling out CRB welfare checks to everyone, addicts of course being included in that.
After all - what else changed? What else could have led to those deaths?
A non-Canadian example would be Japan - whose suicide rate went up 16% in 2020.
The thing is, economists measure these things. Leftists do not.
But by all my calculations, 10-100x as many people will die because of all the mandates you encourage.
The fact that some people haven't noticed EITHER loss yet [by the virus OR the tyrannical government mandates] is fascinating to me.
But trust me - you will see it.
Last year, Canada postponed elective surgeries of over 450,000 people. As I said, over 10,000 Canadian restaurants closed permanently.
I realize you don't consider any of this, and that's what leftists aren't capable of doing - controlling for more than one variable.
I can give you more math if you wish.
Are you ok with 10x as many Canadians overdosing on drugs and dying during lockdown compared to those who actually died of COVID?
Do you see no problem with that?
Are you unable to factor that in?
Brad Pitt explained this concept in "The Big Short":
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Not ALL animals….just antivaxxers.
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Fuck off, gimmick.
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Wait? You are making an equivalence between the effects of a disease to an act of war?
Matt has ADD but he is no dummy. It is you that is making a huge error in logic in making this equivalence.
Thanks, pellius. Autism, and yes - honestly, I try to break this down using long division.
I have another example showing the absurdity of this whole situation [especially here - but I heard Hawaii is pretty bad among Americans - sad to hear that, if that is actually true, pellius...if it makes you feel any better, it can't be worse than Canada right now].
But I'll post it later. I must say:
How can people stay deathly afraid of a virus while literally not knowing more than one or two people over age 80 who died of it?
This seems to be what some people want:
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Not ALL animals….just antivaxxers.
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If the vaccine is so safe, explain why its corporate pharmaceutical producers don't pay any liability damages for adverse events or deaths.
What, with the vaccine being so safe, this should be no problem right?
And explain the first meme here - why do you keep pushing this jab for a virus that I have a 99.99% chance of surviving?
Do I look like I need some fucking untested drug to beat a cold?
I'm training for Thunder Bay's Strongest Manlet right now. If I choose to inject anything, it won't be this shit.
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Lol at the misdirection.😆
This just shows that I’m right.😎
He was using logic, you weren't.
Hope this helps.
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NO ONE has ever claimed you can’t get COVID if you’re vaccinated.
It does greatly reduce the risk and severity of a COVID infection however.
The "vaccine" increases risk of infection and the debateable reduction of severity is more than offset by the risk of clotting, organ failure, and generalised compromised immunity to future infections.
I don't get why people still defend the drugs at this point when the data pretty clearly shows they don't work.
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Ignore it: no.
But invade Iraq for it? I don't think that was appropriate.
I quit the Canadian Army over that war. I refused to be, ultimately, a soldier of George W. Bush Jr., who I feel is a war criminal. I couldn't live with myself morally while Canada was allied with that [expletive] man. Say what you will about Saddam Hussein: he had nothing to do with 9/11, he had no weapons of mass destruction, and he kept Iraq in line.
Sweden essentially did nothing about COVID, aside from recommend masking, and advise people to wash their hands after talking a shit [Kwon, Van - correct me if I'm wrong].
Sweden has had around 2.1x the deaths per-capita as Canada had [something like 15K deaths from a 10M population versus Canada with 28K deaths from a 38M population].
Consider the average age of death is around 80, and over 80% of those who died had multiple underlying comorbodities plus obesity.
In other words, these "thousands and thousands" who died in both nations literally lost only about two years of lifespan per person/death.
People compare it to WWII: that's not an analogous comparison. 600K males aged 22 and 700K deaths aged 84 in the USA are NOT the same thing. The disparity in lifespan lost between both groups is ENORMOUS. Apples and grapefruits comparison. Utter bollocks.
Now consider:
Canada, had we done nothing, would have probably had about the Swedish death rate - so 2.1x as many deaths would be around 59K deaths.
Canada has spent over $600 BILLION on this. Sweden spent NO such money.
Sweden didn't spend proportionally that much money.
Sweden didn't lose proportionally 10,000 restaurants alone, not to mention all manner of other business closures.
Think about this alone:
$600 billion could provide $600,000 to Canada's most vulnerable ONE MILLION PEOPLE.
Or equivalently, Canada could have given $2.4 million to Canada's most vulnerable 250,000 people.
What do you think $2.4 million could do? That is LIFE-CHANGING money.
That could easily extend Canada's 250,000 most vulnerable people's lifespans by 30 years each.
So, HAD WE DONE NOTHING [this is literally just basic math here]:
Canada would have had 2.1x the number of extremely elderly dying [the extremely elderly and obese comprise something like 99.5% of all deaths]. But they only lost at most, three years each, on average.
~30K x 3 years = 90K lifespan years lost. When you do the math, it's sort of like losing 1,100 people, in a sense. I mean, don't tell me my 89-year-old grandmother dying tomorrow is on par with my 4-year-old daughter dying tomorrow. My grandmother, as much as I care for her, has lived a full, rich life. My daughter has not. And these policies are taking away her chance to have that full life.
Now, had we done nothing, we'd have over $600 BILLION in money freed up, that went to deficits.
That could extend the lives of 250,000 people by 30 years.
250K x 30 = 7.5 million.
That's closer to 100,000 lives, friend.
Another more salient example:
Did you know that among Canadians aged 20-49, we have lost something like 600 people?
Did you know that during lockdown, we had OVER TEN TIMES as many die of **ADDITIONAL** opioid overdoses in 2020, compared to 2019.
Not overdoses.
ADDITIONAL OVERDOSES. OVER AND ABOVE the 2019 numbers. Caused by...presumably lockdowns and Canada doling out CRB welfare checks to everyone, addicts of course being included in that.
After all - what else changed? What else could have led to those deaths?
A non-Canadian example would be Japan - whose suicide rate went up 16% in 2020.
The thing is, economists measure these things. Leftists do not.
But by all my calculations, 10-100x as many people will die because of all the mandates you encourage.
The fact that some people haven't noticed EITHER loss yet [by the virus OR the tyrannical government mandates] is fascinating to me.
But trust me - you will see it.
Last year, Canada postponed elective surgeries of over 450,000 people. As I said, over 10,000 Canadian restaurants closed permanently.
I realize you don't consider any of this, and that's what leftists aren't capable of doing - controlling for more than one variable.
I can give you more math if you wish.
Are you ok with 10x as many Canadians overdosing on drugs and dying during lockdown compared to those who actually died of COVID?
Do you see no problem with that?
Are you unable to factor that in?
Brad Pitt explained this concept in "The Big Short":
Thank you for the post.
All kidding aside, I actually agree with a lot of what you are saying here.
I'm sure Canada could have done a better job of managing the pandemic especially at the beginning of it. If we had taken Sweden's approach, who knows, maybe we would have been better off.
As to whether we should focus our resources on the younger members of our population instead of the older ones. This is a question of morality. Something like 90% of Canada's health care dollars is spent on a person's last 6 month of life. Is this the right thing to do. I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.
I feel though, that you're manipulating the COVID death stats (all antivaxxers do) to make it seem like the virus is less lethal and contagious than it is. My point about the 911 attacks was just an example. You could apply it to any situation. If a single person is senselessly murdered should we ignore it because 99.999999% of the population wasn't murdered. Of course not.
COVID is 20 times more lethal than the common flu and much more contagious. These facts can't be denied.
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If the vaccine is so safe, explain why its corporate pharmaceutical producers don't pay any liability damages for adverse events or deaths.
What, with the vaccine being so safe, this should be no problem right?
And explain the first meme here - why do you keep pushing this jab for a virus that I have a 99.99% chance of surviving?
Do I look like I need some fucking untested drug to beat a cold?
I'm training for Thunder Bay's Strongest Manlet right now. If I choose to inject anything, it won't be this shit.
It's not about whether the vaccine has risks it's about how the risks of the vaccine compare to the risks of the virus.
If you had a brain tumor that had a 50% mortality rate would you not have it removed because the surgery itself had a 1% mortality rate?
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It's not about whether the vaccine has risks it's about how the risks of the vaccine compare to the risks of the virus.
If you had a brain tumor that had a 50% mortality rate would you not have it removed because the surgery itself had a 1% mortality rate?
but the risks of the virus to healthy people under 60 are similar to any other viral infections
the higher mortality rate with covid is becuse it kills elderly and unhealthy people.
did you ever ask yourself why the governments of the world have not advocated losing weight and getting fit over the last 18 months?
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Not ALL animals….just antivaxxers.
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"Not all animals are as equal as others" is the quote you are looking for.
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but the risks of the virus to healthy people under 60 are similar to any other viral infections
the higher mortality rate with covid is becuse it kills elderly and unhealthy people.
did you ever ask yourself why the governments of the world have not advocated losing weight and getting fit over the last 18 months?
First point is false.
Second point. The government has, but MOST people are too lazy to get fit.
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"Not all animals are as equal as others" is the quote you are looking for.
Haha. Good one. 👍
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First point is false.
Second point. The government has, but MOST people are too lazy to get fit.
around 600 people under 60 with no comorbidities have died in the UK from Covid
400 people a year die from drowning in the UK
the leading cause of death in the UK this year is covid 19, amazing when we have a vaccine in use since December 2020.
Yes, roll your sleeve up for another one
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around 600 people under 60 with no comorbidities have died in the UK from Covid
400 people a year die from drowning in the UK
the leading cause of death in the UK this year is covid 19, amazing when we have a vaccine in use since December 2020.
Yes, roll your sleeve up for another one
Quick question. How many people who died of drowning had comorbidities?
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did you ever ask yourself why the governments of the world have not advocated losing weight and getting fit over the last 18 months?
Why do you think that is?
I think it's as simple as it would not make people lose weight. Obesity is already deadly without any Covid. And governments have done a lot of preaching about eating healthy and exercising throughout the years, there are FDA guidelines etc. The only thing that would make the obese thin is curbing the access to food and that is not going to fly anywhere. The access and affordability of tasty food is just too good. If government really started hounding the populace about losing weight poor people would just be like, "now you're going to take away our food too, fuck you!"
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Why do you think that is?
I think it's as simple as it would not make people lose weight. Obesity is already deadly without any Covid. And governments have done a lot of preaching about eating healthy and exercising throughout the years, there are FDA guidelines etc. The only thing that would make the obese thin is curbing the access to food and that is not going to fly anywhere. The access and affordability of tasty food is just too good. If government really started hounding the populace about losing weight poor people would just be like, "now you're going to take away our food too, fuck you!"
If they said you are far more likely to die from covid if you are fat then it would have spured some people to lose weight.
At the end of the day its never been about covid its about climate change and depopulation.
If they had asked everyone to stay at home and save the planet no one would have, tell them they will probably die if they set foot out the house would work.
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If they said you are far more likely to die from covid if you are fat then it would have spured some people to lose weight.
I don't think the correlation has escaped anyone who reads even mainstream news. From almost the start the correlation was obvious, just like the correlation to age. It was being overweight, having diabetes or cardiovascular disease that were the main risk factors other than age. This has been all over the MSM. I just don't see a solution to obesity, people would rather die than get healthy. I see some measures taken like dropping sugar content in soda from 10 grams per dl to 7 but I doubt things like that will work.
They are certainly going to try forcing people into "climate friendly" lifestyles. Like curbing meat eating except for bugs. Work some type of climate passport into the Covid passport.
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People would rather take a pill (in this case a vaccine) than eat less.
Most of society's health issues are from overeating. People would rather get diabetes and heart attacks than stop stuffing their faces.
You can't outrun a bad diet.
It's been pretty well explained what the risk factors are for Covid.
America's population is 70% overweight and 30-40% morbidly obese.
Don't think because you lift 3-5 times a week and bench 400 you are not fat.
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People should make their own decision based on their circumstance and others should allow this freedom given the vax has not been and will not be the solution. I fully support people making a choice.
My circumstance was restriction of movement, restriction of my sport and associated travel which I do frequently, not allowed to return to work, aggressive social division of vaccinated people towards unvaccinated. My country has pretty much demonised anyone who does not get vaccinated and life is being made very difficult for them.
The reality is the data shows the vaccinations are fairly useless at this point. Israel is 95% fully vaxed and locked down because of case numbers. Best case vaccination lowers your chance of death. Here we have 95% of hospital admission people who are vaccinated yet they make up only 50% of the population. Our country forced fast double vax shots and this is what you get, suppressed immune system which then catches Covid and you can’t fight it off as your body hasn’t had time to build a defense.
Rumour has it Oz govt is going to force us to have a jab every 10wks.
This is seasonal and will continue to be seasonal. Best case future short term is we open for summer, lock down for winter.
The real problem here is mob mentality because morons think that if they get vaxed life gets back to normal.
the global energy shortage we purposely created just now has gone completely under the radar because the masses are distracted. All that processed food people like to eat is going to see shortages because energy just hit the very start of the food supply chain.
If you don’t realise the global logistics system is still broken.
If you don’t realise volumes and production are declining which puts downward pressure on wages and upwards pressure in unemployment.
If you don’t realise energy shortages put downward pressure on volume/productivity for everything in our lives.
If you don’t realise less volume = higher prices and less productivity = lower wages.
But you are going apeshit at people who don’t want a vaccine which the data shows is bordering on a placebo you are about to end up a wrecked pleb.
A couple of things of note that you mention. You are right, people shouldn't act as if everything is back to normal because they got vaccinated. Specially not people with a greater chance of getting acutely ill with COVID. I've had two Moderna vaccines. Masks are mandated in Oregon. As much as I find wearing one uncomfortable, I still do. Not only because it is mandated, but also for additional protection. Another thing I do is avoid being in a very crowded environment. Still doing a lot of Zoom meetings. Had one this morning and another coming up on Monday.
Secondly, you say COVID is seasonal. Which season would that be? In Oregon we had a surge of cases in 2020 from November through February. There was another smaller surge in April through June 2021 and most recently the greatest number of cases July through October 2021. We've had surges during cold months as well as warm ones.
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Ah, are things "back to normal" in countries that have the highest vaccinations rates? No...they have the highest breakthrough infection rate as well, which makes them double down on the booster policy...for vaccines that didn't work in the fist place.
Can you read the above a few times so you understand it?
Governmental circular firing squad if I've ever seen one.
Can you post a reply without being such a smart ass?
I had the Moderna vaccine. No booster is available yet. The last few days I've been fighting off getting a cold with Zicam. So far that's working. COVID has made me very paranoid. Every time I sneeze, I worry that it is the beginning of a COVID infection. This sucks!
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Of course countries that have the highest vaccination rate will also have the highest breakthough infection rate. That is common sense.
What is your point though? This does not provide evidence for not getting vaccinated.
What about places that have increasingly higher infection rates despite also having a fairly decent vaccine rate, currently 67%. Doesn't this suggest that the vaccines are not completely affective? This month, we had the approximately the same number of deaths as we had last January. So, not only are there more cases of COVID now, there are also more COVID deaths.
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What about places that have increasingly higher infection rates despite also having a fairly decent vaccine rate, currently 67%. Doesn't this suggest that the vaccines are not completely affective? This month, we had the approximately the same number of deaths as we had last January. So, not only are there more cases of COVID now, there are also more COVID deaths.
there are more people dying in the UK now with the vaccine as there were last year without it and its rising, so much for the vaccines working, the stats show its made it worse
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COVID has made me very paranoid. Every time I sneeze, I worry that it is the beginning of a COVID infection. This sucks!
Finally some good news from Portland ;D
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What about places that have increasingly higher infection rates despite also having a fairly decent vaccine rate, currently 67%. Doesn't this suggest that the vaccines are not completely affective? This month, we had the approximately the same number of deaths as we had last January. So, not only are there more cases of COVID now, there are also more COVID deaths.
Statistics such as these are VERY complicated. There are many factors to consider. I doubt the numbers you've posted provide enough information to determine the effectiveness of the vaccine.
It needs to be calculated by statisticians who specialize in infectious diseases. I'm definitely not qualified and NEITHER are the majority of the "antivaxxers".
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there are more people dying in the UK now with the vaccine as there were last year without it and its rising, so much for the vaccines working, the stats show its made it worse
This is total nonsense (as I've explained above).
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Quick question. How many people who died of drowning had comorbidities?
As usual, I see you have dodged my question.
It's a very simple question. ;)
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This is total nonsense (as I've explained above).
no it isnt and no you havent
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As usual, I see you have dodged my question.
It's a very simple question. ;)
Drowning is an accidental death, it doesnt matter what your co-morbidities are you muppet.
Its like getting struck by lightening, you think it matters if they have any co-morbidities?
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Quick question. How many people who died of drowning had comorbidities?
well this is runaway winner for stupidest question of the year on gb
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Drowning is an accidental death, it doesnt matter what your co-morbidities are you muppet.
Its like getting struck by lightening, you think it matters if they have any co-morbidities?
So if someone falls in a pool, has a heart attack and drowns, you believe the co-morbidity didn't play a roll?
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So if someone falls in a pool, has a heart attack and drowns, you believe the co-morbidity didn't play a roll?
omfg are you for real? Please more, I love seeing stupid in action
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So if someone falls in a pool, has a heart attack and drowns, you believe the co-morbidity didn't play a roll?
do you think if you get a puncture on a cycle it matters if you change the tyre with two spoons or the back of two forks bearing in mind the assimilation of the rubber against the porous alloys of the two metals?
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What if they had lung disease, peripheral artery disease, what if they were developed mentally disabled, epilepsy, what if they were overweight and had poor balance etc....
What about then?
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So if someone falls in a pool, has a heart attack and drowns, you believe the co-morbidity didn't play a roll?
If we consider being an annoying dumb fuck a co-morbidity, then yes, it plays a part.
Hope you die drowning due to co-morbidity.
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What if they had lung disease, peripheral artery disease, what if they were developed mentally disabled, epilepsy, what if they were overweight and had poor balance etc....
What about then?
accident v virus
fuckwit
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accident v virus
fuckwit
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Anyways...my point is. You are manipulating the COVID statics and using it as evidence to back up your beliefs. You can't do that.
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Anyways...my point is. You are manipulating the COVID statics and using it as evidence to back up your beliefs. You can't do that.
the governments all over the world have been doing exactly that for 18 months
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So Joswift is ok (sometimes) but everyone else who just chimed in on my comments, you all have something in common with each other.
LOW INTELLIGENCE.
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Can you post a reply without being such a smart ass?
I had the Moderna vaccine. No booster is available yet. The last few days I've been fighting off getting a cold with Zicam. So far that's working. COVID has made me very paranoid. Every time I sneeze, I worry that it is the beginning of a COVID infection. This sucks!
No, being a smartass is an integral part of my personality. Even more so when a critical point is to be made.
Even the hardcore pro vaxx types know in the back of their minds that the effectiveness of all vaxx variants drop at more than 10% per month. That's the reason a booster is required.
This thing should have been treated like a seasonal flu shot for high risk groups instead of giving it to young healthy people. The math bears this out.
The reality is that almost everyone is going to get a variation of covid at one point. Big pharma and big govt lied about the staying power of the vaxx for profit and control. End of story.
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So Joswift is ok (sometimes) but everyone else who just chimed in on my comments, you all have something in common with each other.
LOW INTELLIGENCE.
8) 8) 8) 8)
Arguing about freedom of rights and trying to justify the decisions of a gov who always fucked you up and suddenly care about your health and about being vaxx is low intelligence.
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Arguing about freedom of rights and trying to justify the decisions of a gov who always fucked you up and suddenly care about your health and about being vaxx is low intelligence.
I wasn't necessarily referring to you (maybe).
I hate the government too. But I'm pro vaccine.
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I wasn't necessarily referring to you (maybe).
I hate the government too. But I'm pro vaccine.
Some aren't pro vaxx. Accept it. Why you even wanna convince them or defend your point? Don't you know that pushing your own opinion about the matters like vaxx or religions etc makes you look like a stupid fuck?
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Some aren't pro vaxx. Accept it. Why you even wanna convince them or defend your point? Don't you know that pushing your own opinion about the matters like vaxx or religions etc makes you look like a stupid fuck?
All kidding aside.
Apart from being bored. I am curious about why people are anti vax.
You can call me a troll, but keep in mind that I'm longest active member on this site.
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All kidding aside.
Apart from being bored. I am curious about why people are anti vax.
You can call me a troll, but keep in mind that I'm longest active member on this site.
I don't give a fuck about your existence in this board or else where or how long it is.
Standing in favor of authoritarianism and against basic human rights, make you an unwanted being in any sane society. Doing it by purpose, or by being "curious" say alot about your upbringing. Nobody wanna play your role unless he is a very confused adult due to his childhood.
I know your kind.
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I don't give a fuck about your existence in this board or else where or how long it is.
Standing in favor of authoritarianism and against basic human rights, make you an unwanted being in any sane society. Doing it by purpose, or by being "curious" say alot about your upbringing. Nobody wanna play your role unless he is a very confused adult due to his childhood.
I know your kind.
I don't like the "I know your kind" mentality. We need to stop grouping people together.
That's classic communism. Which I know you are against.
I'm actually a right ring guy (I like Trump and hate bidden) but...I am pro vaccine.
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I don't think the correlation has escaped anyone who reads even mainstream news. From almost the start the correlation was obvious, just like the correlation to age. It was being overweight, having diabetes or cardiovascular disease that were the main risk factors other than age. This has been all over the MSM. I just don't see a solution to obesity, people would rather die than get healthy. I see some measures taken like dropping sugar content in soda from 10 grams per dl to 7 but I doubt things like that will work.
They are certainly going to try forcing people into "climate friendly" lifestyles. Like curbing meat eating except for bugs. Work some type of climate passport into the Covid passport.
Too bad there is no good way to make a fat people tax.
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there are more people dying in the UK now with the vaccine as there were last year without it and its rising, so much for the vaccines working, the stats show its made it worse
If I get it, I'll happily deposit the virus in a sealed container and send it to you as a gift because you have always been such a good friend and friends share.
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Statistics such as these are VERY complicated. There are many factors to consider. I doubt the numbers you've posted provide enough information to determine the effectiveness of the vaccine.
It needs to be calculated by statisticians who specialize in infectious diseases. I'm definitely not qualified and NEITHER are the majority of the "antivaxxers".
Not sure I actually posted numbers beyond the supposed number of folks who have been vaccinated, the number of cases and the number of deaths in Oregon. This is matter of record and not all that complicated statistically. I simply checked the stats the OHA has made available. There numbers suggest that the vaccine may not be the be all end all everyone hoped it would be.
Just so you understand, I am not advocating people not get vaccinated.
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we arent anti vaxx you fucking loser we are pro choice. what the fuck is anti vaxx and anti mask ? wearing a mask isnt even normal behavior to begin with. these people who have the jab keep talking about facts and stats and then share a link to global news lol gtfo you are beyond help at this point
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we arent anti vaxx you fucking loser we are pro choice. what the fuck is anti vaxx and anti mask ? wearing a mask isnt even normal behavior to begin with. these people who have the jab keep talking about facts and stats and then share a link to global news lol gtfo you are beyond help at this point
Wow.
Can you say…low intelligence!
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Good one! Don't know how Ill ever recover from that. I'm going to go end my life now.. maybe I'll just take the jab ::)
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Good one! Don't know how Ill ever recover from that. I'm going to go end my life now.. maybe I'll just take the jab ::)
Why so much anger?
Oh yeah…all of your freedoms have been taken away.
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Why so much anger?
Oh yeah…all of your freedoms have been taken away.
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Look closely at the dates
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Look closely at the dates
That’s sure fortunate that so many were vaccinated.
That will save many lives.❤️
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we arent anti vaxx you fucking loser we are pro choice. what the fuck is anti vaxx and anti mask ? wearing a mask isnt even normal behavior to begin with. these people who have the jab keep talking about facts and stats and then share a link to global news lol gtfo you are beyond help at this point
Who is beyond help depends on one's perspective. Even folks with COVID who end up on a ventilator, often for as long as two weeks, are not beyond help. Currently only about 40% will not survive, meaning the majority will. Unfortunately, there are some not so great long term effects following a stint on a ventilator, such as, cognitive dysfunction and PTSD. It takes at least a week to recover for everyday spent on a ventilator. This means some patients won't be 100% for as long as 14 weeks.
What is normal behavior? One of the definitions of normal is conforming. That being the case as soon as the number of vaccinated people exceeded the number who weren't they became the new normal. An even higher percentage of people wear masks when in public settings. Wearing a mask is definitely normal at the grocery store....mainly because you are required to do so. Think I am wrong? Try shopping at Walmart without a mask and see what happens. That's if you can even get in. At my local Walmart there is an employee guarding the entryway who stops people not wearing masks from entering.
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well, the setup has now begun, fuck this idiot
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Who is beyond help depends on one's perspective. Even folks with COVID who end up on a ventilator, often for as long as two weeks, are not beyond help. Currently only about 40% will not survive, meaning the majority will. Unfortunately, there are some not so great long term effects following a stint on a ventilator, such as, cognitive dysfunction and PTSD. It takes at least a week to recover for everyday spent on a ventilator. This means some patients won't be 100% for as long as 14 weeks.
What is normal behavior? One of the definitions of normal is conforming. That being the case as soon as the number of vaccinated people exceeded the number who weren't they became the new normal. An even higher percentage of people wear masks when in public settings. Wearing a mask is definitely normal at the grocery store....mainly because you are required to do so. Think I am wrong? Try shopping at Walmart without a mask and see what happens. That's if you can even get in. At my local Walmart there is an employee guarding the entryway who stops people not wearing masks from entering.
Masks are voluntary at WalMarts and retailers where I live.
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Look closely at the dates
The dates definitely tell a story, just not the one the media suggests. On September 23, 2021, 97% were vaccinated and on October 11, 2021, Waterford had the highest number of COVID cases. There are some pieces missing. A single dose of the Pfizer vaccine is only 61% effective at preventing symptomatic disease 28 days after having the vaccination. After you have the second vaccine it takes 2 weeks to reach an 85%-90% resistance to COVID. This is a total of 6 weeks to develop maximum efficacy. The J & J vaccine, which is less effective, only requires one vaccination. The incubation period for COVID is around 14 days. Someone contracting COVID on September 23rd, long before a vaccine is at all effective, wouldn't have symptoms until October 7, 2021, just 4 days prior to the second article. October 11, 2021 isn't enough time to accurately measure the effectiveness of the vaccines. Give it another month and then let's look at the numbers again.
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Masks are voluntary at WalMarts and retailers where I live.
I suspect this depends on state mandates. In Oregon, when COVID Delta surged, Governor Brown reinstated previous mandates which require mask wearing in most indoor group settings.
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The dates definitely tell a story, just not the one the media suggests. On September 23, 2021, 97% were vaccinated and on October 11, 2021, Waterford had the highest number of COVID cases. There are some pieces missing. A single dose of the Pfizer vaccine is only 61% effective at preventing symptomatic disease 28 days after having the vaccination. After you have the second vaccine it takes 2 weeks to reach an 85%-90% resistance to COVID. This is a total of 6 weeks to develop maximum efficacy. The J & J vaccine, which is less effective, only requires one vaccination. The incubation period for COVID is around 14 days. Someone contracting COVID on September 23rd, long before a vaccine is at all effective, wouldn't have symptoms until October 7, 2021, just 4 days prior to the second article. October 11, 2021 isn't enough time to accurately measure the effectiveness of the vaccines. Give it another month and then let's look at the numbers again.
there is also the argument that the cases have risen in age groups that havent received vaccines.
Statistics are shit at best
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I suspect this depends on state mandates. In Oregon, when COVID Delta surged, Governor Brown reinstated previous mandates which require mask wearing in most indoor group settings.
masks are fuking mandatory everywhere in Saskatchewan. Its beyond stupid. We are right on par with Australia, we even have covid isolation camps. Brutal
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masks are fuking mandatory everywhere in Saskatchewan. Its beyond stupid. We are right on par with Australia, we even have covid isolation camps. Brutal
I can live with having to wear a mask or shop from home.
The Saskatchewan COVID isolation camp is unreasonable. Wasn't the isolation camp was dismantled? On September 30, 2021 a comprehensive 15 page public health order from the Ministry of Health was published/issued 'Mandatory Isolation and Face Covering'. For some folks, self-isolation might prove difficult. What does someone who contracts COVID, develops symptoms and has no food or other supplies in the house do? Can they get these things delivered?
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masks are fuking mandatory everywhere in Saskatchewan. Its beyond stupid. We are right on par with Australia, we even have covid isolation camps. Brutal
Australia is re-opening on the 1st November 8) (State by state)
Kids will go to school again !.
State of Queensland, zero covid cases ..............
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Australia is re-opening on the 1st November 8) (State by state)
Kids will go to school again !.
State of Queensland, zero covid cases ..............
I would guess we are the world leaders as far as rules go. It sucks here
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I would guess we are the world leaders as far as rules go. It sucks here
I'm not in Melbourne 8)
They have a 12's of 4-5* FIFO camps all over , they never use them ................or Christmas Island !. It's BS & nothing else !.
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I would guess we are the world leaders as far as rules go. It sucks here
Do the mandates vary from one province to another? Matt insists that he never wears a mask and he has not been vaccinated. He's in Ontario. He's working out at home so I'm guessing whatever gym he'd go to requires masks. How well it is enforced here varies from one gym to another. Last time I went to the gym many people were wearing their masks as neck scarfs. LOL.
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A couple of things of note that you mention. You are right, people shouldn't act as if everything is back to normal because they got vaccinated. Specially not people with a greater chance of getting acutely ill with COVID. I've had two Moderna vaccines. Masks are mandated in Oregon. As much as I find wearing one uncomfortable, I still do. Not only because it is mandated, but also for additional protection. Another thing I do is avoid being in a very crowded environment. Still doing a lot of Zoom meetings. Had one this morning and another coming up on Monday.
Secondly, you say COVID is seasonal. Which season would that be? In Oregon we had a surge of cases in 2020 from November through February. There was another smaller surge in April through June 2021 and most recently the greatest number of cases July through October 2021. We've had surges during cold months as well as warm ones.
Yeah, be careful, Prime. My grandmother was vaccinated, and Covid took her life within a few days. Now, she was 87, so a stiff wind might have done her in as well.
The point is, the older you are, the less effective the vaccine is probably going to be. We see people who are vaccinated, still get and spread the virus all the time.
In my opinion, even slight symptoms can be fatal to the elderly. Prime, don't think that just because you are vaccinated, you somehow have a protective shield over you. You are at the age where it can kill you regardless.
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Yeah, be careful, Prime. My grandmother was vaccinated, and Covid took her life within a few days. Now, she was 87, so a stiff wind might have done her in as well.
The point is, the older you are, the less effective the vaccine is probably going to be. We see people who are vaccinated, still get and spread the virus all the time.
In my opinion, even slight symptoms can be fatal to the elderly. Prime, don't think that just because you are vaccinated, you somehow have a protective shield over you. You are at the age where it can kill you regardless.
Yes - it needs to be emphasized that vaccines do not make people bulletproof. Previous to vaccines, people thought masks made them bulletproof. It just bewildered me that someone can be so irrational to think that there's some lethal pandemic currently ongoing [there's not] that a flimsy $0.30 fabric mask will save them from. I'm floored at how anyone can have this thought process.
In reality, any person with no health conditions who isn't overweight or obese has less than a 0.01% chance of dying of Covid-19.
You are more likely to be injured by a toilet bowl while taking a shit than you are of dying of COVID if you are healthy and not a fat fuck.
Which brings us back to Primemuscle:
Primemuscle may be in an age group more at-risk of dying of Covid-19, but based on his current health status [blood work, health tests, physical fitness level, and body weight / BMI], Prime is closer in biological age to an average 45-year-old man.
So while Primemuscle is at risk of dying from COVID, the odds of death are likely under 1%.
While it may be partially true that this is a "pandemic of the unvaccinated", it's also a pandemic of fat cheeseburger eating pieces of shit with diabetes, cancer, and other diseases who probably SHOULD have been vaccinated, and maybe would have been vaccinated had the government not spread misinformation bullshit about this virus being equally deadly to all people when it definitely is not.
A person over 80 has an 8,700x higher chance of dying of COVID than a person under 40. Ditto for fat fucks, who have a massively higher chance of drying than someone who isn't rotund. Maybe if the lying media in Canada and elsewhere had actually said this, the actual people dying of COVID currently [almost all fat fucks with multiple underlying health conditions] would have gotten vaccinated.
But they don't tell us this - they keep saying everyone should be vaccinated, and are even attempting to push this shit on children now - meanwhile only 18 PEOPLE under age 20 in Canada died of Covid-19, 100% of WHOM had CANCER. All 18 were dying.
Most recently [#18], 14-year-old boy Nathanael Spitzer, who was given a COVID test TWO DAYS before dying of Stage IV brain cancer in Alberta. Why in the fuck give him a COVID test when he was unconscious and dying? You can't make this shit up.
Another point is that the PCR test is bullshit. If the test is used with the cycle thresholds set to 34 or higher, the test is USELESS, and can literally test a banana positive for Covid-19.
So what happened was a lot of the currently dying fat fucks didn't get vaccinated because they were previously given PCR tests misused like this, tested positive, and thought they "beat" COVID, when they never had it in the first place.
Would you get a vaccine for a virus that you were told you ALREADY HAD, and that didn't even cause you to sneeze? In reality, these fatties never even had COVID, and they only had a false positive PCR test.
That's why some of this shit is borderline criminal. Maybe those fat fucks with diabetes and cancer would have gotten vaccinated had they been properly informed they were at risk. But since this virus IS over 99.9% survivable for over 80% of the population, these people aren't taking this virus seriously, even though they are fat fucks who eat cheeseburgers, and are in the at-risk group.
And it goes beyond that - last week, not only did they lie about 14-year-old terminal brain cancer victim Nathanael Spitzer dying of COVID when he actually had brain cancer, but CBC ran a report showing that his province [Alberta] was overwhelmed, and used MANNEQUINS to fill the ICU beds.
That's why so many people aren't taking this shit seriously anymore - because it's a fucking Clown Show.
Even your post about Prime's risk of COVID: you're bang on about Prime being at greater risk due to age, but you failed to take into account the fact that he is in excellent health for his age, which literally reduces his risk of death by 10-100 times on that basis alone. You are right that the vaccine won't help him 100%, but in his great health for his age, he doesn't have a high risk of death.
Sorry to hear about your grandmother, King. That's more proof to me that the vaccine is shit, and didn't protect her. My grandmother just turned 89 last month, and she got sick from both doses of the vaccine. She had a stroke in 2015, and I'm worried that continued boosters may cause her to die. Meanwhile, she had an older 93-year-old sister who died in April, and has another sister who will be turning 97 in June. My grandma could probably live to 100, and I'm worried these vaccines may end up chopping 5-10 years off her life.
Lol @ what a joke this is. Absolute shit show:
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Lol!
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Yes - it needs to be emphasized that vaccines do not make people bulletproof. Previous to vaccines, people thought masks made them bulletproof. It just bewildered me that someone can be so irrational to think that there's some lethal pandemic currently ongoing [there's not] that a flimsy $0.30 fabric mask will save them from. I'm floored at how anyone can have this thought process.
In reality, any person with no health conditions who isn't overweight or obese has less than a 0.01% chance of dying of Covid-19.
You are more likely to be injured by a toilet bowl while taking a shit than you are of dying of COVID if you are healthy and not a fat fuck.
Which brings us back to Primemuscle:
Primemuscle may be in an age group more at-risk of dying of Covid-19, but based on his current health status [blood work, health tests, physical fitness level, and body weight / BMI], Prime is closer in biological age to an average 45-year-old man.
So while Primemuscle is at risk of dying from COVID, the odds of death are likely under 1%.
While it may be partially true that this is a "pandemic of the unvaccinated", it's also a pandemic of fat cheeseburger eating pieces of shit with diabetes, cancer, and other diseases who probably SHOULD have been vaccinated, and maybe would have been vaccinated had the government not spread misinformation bullshit about this virus being equally deadly to all people when it definitely is not.
A person over 80 has an 8,700x higher chance of dying of COVID than a person under 40. Ditto for fat fucks, who have massively higher chance of drying than someone who isn't rotund. Maybe if the lying media in Canada and elsewhere had actually said this, the actual people dying of COVID currently [almost all fat fucks with multiple underlying health conditions] would have gotten vaccinated.
But they don't tell us this - they keep saying everyone should be vaccinated, and are even attempting to push this shit on children now - meanwhile only 18 PEOPLE under age 20 in Canada died of Covid-19, 100% of WHOM had CANCER. All 18 were dying.
Most recently [#18], 14-year-old boy Nathanael Spitzer, who was given a COVID test TWO DAYS before dying of Stage IV brain cancer in Alberta. Why in the fuck give him a COVID test when he was unconscious and dying? You can't make this shit up.
Another point is that the PCR test is bullshit. If the test is used with the cycle thresholds set to 34 or higher, the test is USELESS, and can literally test a banana positive for Covid-19.
So what happened was a lot of the currently dying fat fucks didn't get vaccinated because they were previously given PCR tests misused like this, tested positive, and thought they "beat" COVID, when they never had it in the first place.
Would you get a vaccine for a virus that you were told you ALREADY HAD, and that didn't even cause you to sneeze? In reality, these fatties never even had COVID, and they only had a false positive PCR test.
That's why some of this shit is borderline criminal. Maybe those fat fucks with diabetes and cancer would have gotten vaccinated had they been properly informed they were at risk. But since this virus IS over 99.9% survivable for over 80% of the population, these people aren't taking this virus seriously, even though they are fat fucks who eat cheeseburgers, and are in the at-risk group.
And it goes beyond that - last week, not only did they lie about 14-year-old terminal brain cancer victim Nathanael Spitzer dying of COVID when he actually had brain cancer, but last week, CBC ran a report showing that his province [Alberta] was overwhelmed, and used MANNEQUINS to fill the ICU beds.
That's why so many people aren't taking this shit seriously anymore - because it's a fucking Clown Show.
Even your post about Prime's risk of COVID: you're bang on about Prime being at greater risk due to age, but you failed to take into account the fact that he is in excellent health for his age, which literally reduces his risk of death by 10-100 times on that basis alone. You are right that the vaccine won't help him 100%, but in his great health for his age, he doesn't have a high risk of death.
Lol @ what a joke this is:
What a joke this is? This is far from a joke.
I'm willing to bet, you are estranged from most, if not all, of your family.
I had "vaccinated" family members, one that works in a hospital, come over my house, to celebrate my baby nephew's birth. It was literally 3 people who came over on that day.
My grandmother, and two of my Aunts. All of them were vaccinated.
Within a few days, my grandmother, my father, my sister, and I, all contracted Covid.
It's nothing to take lightly. I can tell you from first hand experience. In my case, after like 4 or 5 days, I was at the precipice. I was winded taking a shower, or taking out the trash. At one point, I really was scared.
Just imagine having no appetite, along with not being able to taste and smell. Eating actually became a chore.
Like I have said before, I was indifferent before Covid touched my family.
If you have not experienced loss, or have not had the virus, you are merely spreading conjecture.
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Thank you for the post.
All kidding aside, I actually agree with a lot of what you are saying here.
I'm sure Canada could have done a better job of managing the pandemic especially at the beginning of it. If we had taken Sweden's approach, who knows, maybe we would have been better off.
As to whether we should focus our resources on the younger members of our population instead of the older ones. This is a question of morality. Something like 90% of Canada's health care dollars is spent on a person's last 6 month of life. Is this the right thing to do. I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.
I feel though, that you're manipulating the COVID death stats (all antivaxxers do) to make it seem like the virus is less lethal and contagious than it is. My point about the 911 attacks was just an example. You could apply it to any situation. If a single person is senselessly murdered should we ignore it because 99.999999% of the population wasn't murdered. Of course not.
COVID is 20 times more lethal than the common flu and much more contagious. These facts can't be denied.
Thanks OAK.
I go on one assumption:
Had Canada done the same as Sweden [voluntary masking, and recommending that people wash their hands after taking a shit - also voluntary], basically nothing, that we would have had the same number of deaths:
Canada had 28,191 deaths from a 38,246,108 population. That works out to one death per 1,356.677946 citizens.
Sweden had 14,956 deaths from a 10,402,070 population. That works out to one death per 695.5115004 citizens.
So Sweden had 1.95x more deaths per-capita [the only stat we should be looking at, generally].
If we normalize that for Canada's population, that would be like Canada losing 54,990 people - which would be an additional 26,799 deaths.
But Sweden didn't mortgage their future by spending proportionally what Canada did, as a percentage of its GDP. I just heard Canada has spent $819 BILLION fighting COVID.
Here's a question:
How many Canadian lives could have been saved had Canada not spent that money on COVID, and targeted it towards our most vulnerable citizens?
Keep in mind, that money could give $1 million in healthcare resources to Canada's most vulnerable 819,000 citizens.
So how many of those 819,000 people will now die, who wouldn't have died, had we shored up that money to spend on them?
Do you think we could have saved more than 26,799 Canadians with that money? Consider that $819 billion could give $30,560,956 to each of those 26,799 people.
So do you think that money could have saved more lives had we done that?
Yes, Sweden did had nearly double the deaths, but they didn't go into debt by 40.4% of its GDP.
The number of people who died from having necessary health treatments postponed, businesses closing, and drug overdoses during lockdown vastly outweighed whatever benefits Prime Minister Blackface's plan produced, IMO.
But I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
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Of course no one is forcing anyone to have the vaccine. 🙂
Sure they are not pinning you down and injecting you but you can lose your job if you don't get vaccinated. Here you can't get into gyms and businesses unless you show your vax card.
It is still coercion.
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It's not about whether the vaccine has risks it's about how the risks of the vaccine compare to the risks of the virus.
If you had a brain tumor that had a 50% mortality rate would you not have it removed because the surgery itself had a 1% mortality rate?
And what are the risks? What is the mortality rate of those who get it? What circumstances determine that risk? We don't know the long term risk of taking this type of vaccine so for a 25-year-old healthy person it may not be worth the risk.
It should be their decision.
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Sure they are not pinning you down and injecting you but you can lose your job if you don't get vaccinated. Here you can't get into gyms and businesses unless you show your vax card.
It is still coercion.
I don't get how that is happening in Hawaii. I expect that kind of thing in Australia or Canada. But Hawaii is an American state. You have a constitution that is explicitly clear about your rights, unlike in Canada, where our freedom of expression [not "freedom of speech"] "rights" are subject to "reasonable limitations", whatever that means.
I guess what I've learned through this is rights are always relative to the will of the people to sustain them.
On the plus side, pellius - I expect all of these things to be taken to the Supreme Court, and thrown out.
I'm unaware of any law that makes any of that legal in the USA. This stuff is even illegal in Canada, as best as I can tell.
You also need a "vaccine passport" to go to indoor public spaces in Canada, including gyms. Luckily, I've found an alternative for now, and I heard that gyms in my city are down in patronage by 30%.
Also, off-topic, but did you meet Sonny Schmidt?
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And what are the risks? What is the mortality rate of those who get it? What circumstances determine that risk? We don't know the long term risk of taking this type of vaccine so for a 25-year-old healthy person it may not be worth the risk.
It should be their decision.
Only 28,607,293 of 28,609,131 Canadians under 60 have made it this far into the pandemic.
That's only 99.9936%.
Hopefully with the vaccines, 99.9999936% will not die, and we can go back to normal here.
Also, does it even get cold in Hawaii? Lol, have there even been any significant number of deaths?
Pointless and illegal.
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All kidding aside.
Apart from being bored. I am curious about why people are anti vax.
You can call me a troll, but keep in mind that I'm longest active member on this site.
The question in a free society is not always what is right and good but rather who should decide. There are countless things that we can impose on a society that would vastly prove health, safety, and welfare but we don't because of the imposition on our freedoms. The Soviet Union practically eliminated violent street crime by being a police state where no one had any rights to privacy. There are always trade-offs and it's a challenge to find the perfect balance.
What I am curious about is why people who are vaccinated care whether others are not. You promote that everyone gets vaccinated because you believe it provides some protection against the virus. You may say that it is not 100% but nothing in life is 100%. Is it worth it to remake our entire society because something is not 100% safe? You also admit that getting the vaccine doesn't prevent you from spreading it to others therefore you are offering no protection to others getting the vaccine. So getting the vaccine to protect others is a wash. Not getting may increase your chances of getting the virus. Why do you care?
The effects are the same on others as to whether or not you are vaccinated. It should be up to the individual to decide from themselves.
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Still dying to know why fat fucks are asking me to get a pharmaceutical with zero long-term safety data, and zero liability coverage in case of adverse events or deaths for a virus that I have a greater than 99.99% chance of surviving at my current age and in my current health status. ::)
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Terrifying threat right here...
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Yeah, this happened:
https://www.rte.ie/news/health/2021/0921/1248005-exercise-heart-attack/
And what's going on here?:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mystery-rise-in-heart-attacks-from-blocked-arteries-m253drrnf
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Remind me not to use this ice machine...
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What a joke this is? This is far from a joke.
I'm willing to bet, you are estranged from most, if not all, of your family.
I had "vaccinated" family members, one that works in a hospital, come over my house, to celebrate my baby nephew's birth. It was literally 3 people who came over on that day.
My grandmother, and two of my Aunts. All of them were vaccinated.
Within a few days, my grandmother, my father, my sister, and I, all contracted Covid.
It's nothing to take lightly. I can tell you from first hand experience. In my case, after like 4 or 5 days, I was at the precipice. I was winded taking a shower, or taking out the trash. At one point, I really was scared.
Just imagine having no appetite, along with not being able to taste and smell. Eating actually became a chore.
Like I have said before, I was indifferent before Covid touched my family.
If you have not experienced loss, or have not had the virus, you are merely spreading conjecture.
You are obese though everyone has already said it is not a joke for fat fucks like yourself but you have been wanred your entire life being a fat fuck is unhealthy now we are all supposed to get vaccinated because you can't put down the twinkies???
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You are obese though everyone has already said it is not a joke for fat fucks like yourself but you have been wanred your entire life being a fat fuck is unhealthy now we are all supposed to get vaccinated because you can't put down the twinkies???
Dude, the shtick is old. I'm a normal person. I'm not 300, 400, 500, pounds, that needs a stomach staple.
You are an outlier. Most people don't walk around looking like shredded beef jerky. And as most people know, being as lean as you are, for most of the year, isn't really all that healthy.
Your immune system is affected, when you are constantly at a low body fat %.
Most bodybuilders are considered obese, by the standard metrics. Many are just as unhealthy, if not more, than fat, obese people.
I'm almost certain that I'm healthier than you.
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Dude, the shtick is old. I'm a normal person. I'm not 300, 400, 500, pounds, that needs a stomach staple.
You are an outlier. Most people don't walk around looking like shredded beef jerky. And as most people know, being as lean as you are, for most of the year, isn't really all that healthy.
Your immune system is affected, when you are constantly at a low body fat %.
Most bodybuilders are considered obese, by the standard metrics. Many are just as unhealthy, if not more, than fat, obese people.
I'm almost certain that I'm healthier than you.
What Schtick you realize this is a bodybuilding board most people here actually workout and are into fitness. You are obese which is what can makes Covid lethal. Obesity is not normal or healthy. You have been warned your entire life that obesity was unhealthy and ignored the warnings. Don't expect anyone to have any sympathy for you when it kills you it is self inflicted. Half of these so called Covid deaths should be labelled Obesity deaths. Covid by itself is the flu add in Obesity and it causes pneumonia like symptoms which can kill you. You don't need a booster shot you need a diet
https://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/effects/index.html
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What Schtick you realize this is a bodybuilding board most people here actually workout and are into fitness. You are obese which is what can makes Covid lethal. Obesity is not normal or healthy. You have been warned your entire life that obesity was unhealthy and ignored the warnings. Don't expect anyone to have any sympathy for you when it kills you it is self inflicted. Half of these so called Covid deaths should be labelled Obesity deaths. Covid by itself is the flu add in Obesity and it causes pneumonia like symptoms which can kill you. You don't need a booster shot you need a diet
https://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/effects/index.html
There is a difference between working out, being fit, and then taking it to extreme levels.
Wanna know why I'm healthier than you? Unless you are a liar, you have listed all of your ailments and so-called diseases.
I have none of those. I beat Covid, and never had to go to the hospital. They would have to intubate your anus.
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There is a difference between working out, being fit, and then taking it to extreme levels.
Wanna know why I'm healthier than you? Unless you are a liar, you have listed all of your ailments and so-called diseases.
I have none of those. I beat Covid, and never had to go to the hospital. They would have to intubate your anus.
I am still 100x healthier than you dumb fat fuck obesity is not healthy there are a hundred different things wrong with your body when you are obese from Diabetes to high blood pressure to cholesterol and clogged arteries you will die from a godamn heart attack in your 50s
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I am still 100x healthier than you dumb fat fuck obesity is not healthy there are a hundred different things wrong with your body when you are obese from Diabetes to high blood pressure to cholesterol and clogged arteries you will die from a godamn heart attack in your 50s
Shizzo shits shit (and writes it)
bhanky shits blood (and writes shit)
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I am still 100x healthier than you dumb fat fuck obesity is not healthy there are a hundred different things wrong with your body when you are obese from Diabetes to high blood pressure to cholesterol and clogged arteries you will die from a godamn heart attack in your 50s
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Shizzo shits shit (and writes it)
bhanky shits blood (and writes shit)
I havent passed blood in weeks really cleaned out the system ended the bulk taking a cruise did lose some size but still in shape
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I am still 100x healthier than you dumb fat fuck obesity is not healthy there are a hundred different things wrong with your body when you are obese from Diabetes to high blood pressure to cholesterol and clogged arteries you will die from a godamn heart attack in your 50s
hmmm since you consider me a fat fuck also
my bp is 124/76, my resting pulse rate is 68, i have to go for bloodwork every 6 months cause of my meds and my cholesterol was fine and all other areas came out near perfect. I also had covid and beat it in MArch 2020. But hey, you keep telling yourself how healthy you are while you shove the tampon up your ass to stop the bleeding.
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hmmm since you consider me a fat fuck also
my bp is 124/76, my resting pulse rate is 68, i have to go for bloodwork every 6 months cause of my meds and my cholesterol was fine and all other areas came out near perfect. I also had covid and beat it in MArch 2020. But hey, you keep telling yourself how healthy you are while you shove the tampon up your ass to stop the bleeding.
My blood pressure is the same range but total cholesterol is 137 and I don't take any medications for either. Again having an Ulcer every 6 months doesn't mean I am dying more likely too many supplements and food as reducing has cleared the issue. Unlike yourself I am in actual real athletic and cardiovascular shape I actually have strength endurance and lungs
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My blood pressure is the same range but total cholesterol is 137 and I don't take any medications for either. Again having an Ulcer every 6 months doesn't mean I am dying more likely too many supplements and food as reducing has cleared the issue. Unlike yourself I am in actual real athletic and cardiovascular shape I actually have strength endurance and lungs
unlike you i have hair
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Bhanks revolves his entire life around being "in shape", yet he would fail to place with most of the mummies on display in Egypt.
Newsflash: you have an unhealthy obsession.
The only benefit I will give you, is if you are trolling the majority of the time. If not, you need to see a therapist.
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Bhanks revolves his entire life around being "in shape", yet he would fail to place with most of the mummies on display in Egypt.
Newsflash: you have an unhealthy obsession.
The only benefit I will give you, is if you are trolling the majority of the time. If not, you need to see a therapist.
He's not trolling. He believes every word he types
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He's not trolling. He believes every word he types
I will wait for his answer, but you are probably right. Like the whole hair nonsense. I made peace with my balding, many years ago.
I, fortunately, had a decent face and head shape to shave my head with pride.
I will ad this caveat: I also had shit hair when I wasn't bald. It was thin and wispy....
The only way it looked good is if I got a fade, or just buzzed cut it. So I guess it wasn't much of a Koss for me.
I do feel for the dudes with thick hair, that lose it.
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I am still 100x healthier than you dumb fat fuck obesity is not healthy there are a hundred different things wrong with your body when you are obese from Diabetes to high blood pressure to cholesterol and clogged arteries you will die from a godamn heart attack in your 50s
Yet your body is rotting from the inside out. The mirror is meaningless
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Yet your body is rotting from the inside out. The mirror is meaningless
(https://miro.medium.com/max/600/0*4QvOq4HF8QifV5RI.jpg)
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Yeah, be careful, Prime. My grandmother was vaccinated, and Covid took her life within a few days. Now, she was 87, so a stiff wind might have done her in as well.
The point is, the older you are, the less effective the vaccine is probably going to be. We see people who are vaccinated, still get and spread the virus all the time.
In my opinion, even slight symptoms can be fatal to the elderly. Prime, don't think that just because you are vaccinated, you somehow have a protective shield over you. You are at the age where it can kill you regardless.
I couldn't agree more. That's why I continue to exercise caution even though I am fully vaccinated (minus a booster which is not yet available for those of us who were vaccinated with Moderna).
I've been popping Zicam the last several days because I had very slight cold symptoms. Itchy nose and sneezing....just my left nostril....but I'd rather be overly cautious than dead. ;)
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unlike you i have hair
No ladies give a fuck about your hair when you are 75lbs overweight
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Yes - it needs to be emphasized that vaccines do not make people bulletproof. Previous to vaccines, people thought masks made them bulletproof. It just bewildered me that someone can be so irrational to think that there's some lethal pandemic currently ongoing [there's not] that a flimsy $0.30 fabric mask will save them from. I'm floored at how anyone can have this thought process.
In reality, any person with no health conditions who isn't overweight or obese has less than a 0.01% chance of dying of Covid-19.
You are more likely to be injured by a toilet bowl while taking a shit than you are of dying of COVID if you are healthy and not a fat fuck.
Which brings us back to Primemuscle:
Primemuscle may be in an age group more at-risk of dying of Covid-19, but based on his current health status [blood work, health tests, physical fitness level, and body weight / BMI], Prime is closer in biological age to an average 45-year-old man.
So while Primemuscle is at risk of dying from COVID, the odds of death are likely under 1%.
While it may be partially true that this is a "pandemic of the unvaccinated", it's also a pandemic of fat cheeseburger eating pieces of shit with diabetes, cancer, and other diseases who probably SHOULD have been vaccinated, and maybe would have been vaccinated had the government not spread misinformation bullshit about this virus being equally deadly to all people when it definitely is not.
A person over 80 has an 8,700x higher chance of dying of COVID than a person under 40. Ditto for fat fucks, who have a massively higher chance of drying than someone who isn't rotund. Maybe if the lying media in Canada and elsewhere had actually said this, the actual people dying of COVID currently [almost all fat fucks with multiple underlying health conditions] would have gotten vaccinated.
But they don't tell us this - they keep saying everyone should be vaccinated, and are even attempting to push this shit on children now - meanwhile only 18 PEOPLE under age 20 in Canada died of Covid-19, 100% of WHOM had CANCER. All 18 were dying.
Most recently [#18], 14-year-old boy Nathanael Spitzer, who was given a COVID test TWO DAYS before dying of Stage IV brain cancer in Alberta. Why in the fuck give him a COVID test when he was unconscious and dying? You can't make this shit up.
Another point is that the PCR test is bullshit. If the test is used with the cycle thresholds set to 34 or higher, the test is USELESS, and can literally test a banana positive for Covid-19.
So what happened was a lot of the currently dying fat fucks didn't get vaccinated because they were previously given PCR tests misused like this, tested positive, and thought they "beat" COVID, when they never had it in the first place.
Would you get a vaccine for a virus that you were told you ALREADY HAD, and that didn't even cause you to sneeze? In reality, these fatties never even had COVID, and they only had a false positive PCR test.
That's why some of this shit is borderline criminal. Maybe those fat fucks with diabetes and cancer would have gotten vaccinated had they been properly informed they were at risk. But since this virus IS over 99.9% survivable for over 80% of the population, these people aren't taking this virus seriously, even though they are fat fucks who eat cheeseburgers, and are in the at-risk group.
And it goes beyond that - last week, not only did they lie about 14-year-old terminal brain cancer victim Nathanael Spitzer dying of COVID when he actually had brain cancer, but CBC ran a report showing that his province [Alberta] was overwhelmed, and used MANNEQUINS to fill the ICU beds.
That's why so many people aren't taking this shit seriously anymore - because it's a fucking Clown Show.
Even your post about Prime's risk of COVID: you're bang on about Prime being at greater risk due to age, but you failed to take into account the fact that he is in excellent health for his age, which literally reduces his risk of death by 10-100 times on that basis alone. You are right that the vaccine won't help him 100%, but in his great health for his age, he doesn't have a high risk of death.
Sorry to hear about your grandmother, King. That's more proof to me that the vaccine is shit, and didn't protect her. My grandmother just turned 89 last month, and she got sick from both doses of the vaccine. She had a stroke in 2015, and I'm worried that continued boosters may cause her to die. Meanwhile, she had an older 93-year-old sister who died in April, and has another sister who will be turning 97 in June. My grandma could probably live to 100, and I'm worried these vaccines may end up chopping 5-10 years off her life.
Lol @ what a joke this is. Absolute shit show:
I believe Nathaniel Spitzer was tested for COVID because he showed symptoms of the virus. The test was positive, meaning he did have it. He was also dying of brain cancer. This is an excellent example of overstating the number of people who die from COVID. It was determined that COVID-19 did not play a primary or secondary role in his death.
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I don't get how that is happening in Hawaii. I expect that kind of thing in Australia or Canada. But Hawaii is an American state. You have a constitution that is explicitly clear about your rights, unlike in Canada, where our freedom of expression [not "freedom of speech"] "rights" are subject to "reasonable limitations", whatever that means.
I guess what I've learned through this is rights are always relative to the will of the people to sustain them.
On the plus side, pellius - I expect all of these things to be taken to the Supreme Court, and thrown out.
I'm unaware of any law that makes any of that legal in the USA. This stuff is even illegal in Canada, as best as I can tell.
You also need a "vaccine passport" to go to indoor public spaces in Canada, including gyms. Luckily, I've found an alternative for now, and I heard that gyms in my city are down in patronage by 30%.
Also, off-topic, but did you meet Sonny Schmidt?
For the most part so far in the U.S. the feds and pretty much left it up to the individual states to decide on mandates and how to enforce them. Just recently Biden proposed mandates that will affect people regardless of what state they live in. Those mandates will likely be tested in the courts.
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Michael Gunner, the Chief Minister for the Northern Territory:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FB89XTkVkAADdb1?format=jpg&name=medium)
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No ladies give a fuck about your hair when you are 75lbs overweight
in what part of any post Ive made on getbig have I said I care about picking up women? Id guess none?
this is me, this is recent, this is what i look like. 75 lbs? Probably not.
I know this. At 55 I have more hair than you and am substantially better looking than you. Do you have more money--duh the whole board has more money than me. You are 12 years younger than me and look at least if not older than me.
I live in reality. Women dont want a 55 year old guy on welfare with not a lot going for him. And I dont blame them. But unlike you, Im real about it. You are an ugly ugly man with no hair and rotting organs.
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You look in decent to very good shape there. No homo.^
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in what part of any post Ive made on getbig have I said I care about picking up women? Id guess none?
this is me, this is recent, this is what i look like. 75 lbs? Probably not.
I know this. At 55 I have more hair than you and am substantially better looking than you. Do you have more money--duh the whole board has more money than me. You are 12 years younger than me and look at least if not older than me.
I live in reality. Women dont want a 55 year old guy on welfare with not a lot going for him. And I dont blame them. But unlike you, Im real about it. You are an ugly ugly man with no hair and rotting organs.
I’m not a Doctor, but based on this pic I’d strongly recommend getting the vaccine! Aside from being OBESE it looks like you have several other COVID risk factors.
I hope this helps.
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in what part of any post Ive made on getbig have I said I care about picking up women? Id guess none?
this is me, this is recent, this is what i look like. 75 lbs? Probably not.
I know this. At 55 I have more hair than you and am substantially better looking than you. Do you have more money--duh the whole board has more money than me. You are 12 years younger than me and look at least if not older than me.
I live in reality. Women dont want a 55 year old guy on welfare with not a lot going for him. And I dont blame them. But unlike you, Im real about it. You are an ugly ugly man with no hair and rotting organs.
if you don't mind me asking ... approximately how much does Sask/Canada provide you in welfare or disability or whatever?
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You look in decent to very good shape there. No homo.^
was hoping for homo :P
thanks. Ya I may overstate my being overweight at times, Im probably in better shape that I let myself believe, but I know I have a ways to go.
I also like to give bhanks ammunition to use against me cause it makes him feel better about life bragging about himself and cutting others down.
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if you don't mind me asking ... approximately how much does Sask/Canada provide you in welfare or disability or whatever?
its totaly fine Ill answer anything
Im on whats called the SAID program--saskatchewan assured income disability---I get 1380 dollars per month and from that I have to pay rent, groceries and other minor stuff. My utility bills are paid. I get discounts at piles of places. My meds are paid, dental is paid and I pay a small % of optical. I can also hit food bank and grocery "chits". When all the side benefits are added up Id say I clear 1800 per month.
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I’m not a Doctor, but based on this pic I’d strongly recommend getting the vaccine! Aside from being OBESE it looks like you have several other COVID risk factors.
I hope this helps.
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Im double vacced,....pfizer,.....hope this helps. But hey thanks for the insult even though I take your side most times
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omfg are you for real? Please more, I love seeing stupid in action
This is taking my side?🙄
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Im double vacced,....pfizer,.....hope this helps. But hey thanks for the insult even though I take your side most times
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so I go against you once but normally agree with you and you get butthurt
also, Im double vacced and you roll your eyes
wow youre sensitive hey? You might be on the wrong board
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so I go against you once but normally agree with you and you get butthurt
also, Im double vacced and you roll your eyes
wow youre sensitive hey? You might be on the wrong board
Actually I believe you are on the wrong board.
This board is for people who exercise and lift weights.
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Actually I believe you are on the wrong board.
This board is for people who exercise and lift weights.
"Gossip and Opinion" implies neither, el retardo.
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Oak is showing another side of himself. It's not his good side.
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Actually I believe you are on the wrong board.
This board is for people who exercise and lift weights.
all good, I dont engage with people who stay anonymous behind screennames--have a great day
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"Gossip and Opinion" implies neither, el retardo.
Gossip & Opinions
A board where you can discuss, gossip, talk and read the latest news and events about the bodybuilding industry.
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Oak is showing another side of himself. It's not his good side.
meh, i just flip him to the ignore list. Im using it properly now. Not worth my time
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its totaly fine Ill answer anything
Im on whats called the SAID program--saskatchewan assured income disability---I get 1380 dollars per month and from that I have to pay rent, groceries and other minor stuff. My utility bills are paid. I get discounts at piles of places. My meds are paid, dental is paid and I pay a small % of optical. I can also hit food bank and grocery "chits". When all the side benefits are added up Id say I clear 1800 per month.
Go live in Thailand and find a way to keep receiving that money. You'll live a good life with that amount of money and you can tan and get the girls.
I think even if you have to spend like a period of time in Canada to keep receiving the money you can financially afford a plane ticket once a few months.
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its totaly fine Ill answer anything
Im on whats called the SAID program--saskatchewan assured income disability---I get 1380 dollars per month and from that I have to pay rent, groceries and other minor stuff. My utility bills are paid. I get discounts at piles of places. My meds are paid, dental is paid and I pay a small % of optical. I can also hit food bank and grocery "chits". When all the side benefits are added up Id say I clear 1800 per month.
This is amazing. You live really lean. -No money to spend frivolously.
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in what part of any post Ive made on getbig have I said I care about picking up women? Id guess none?
this is me, this is recent, this is what i look like. 75 lbs? Probably not.
I know this. At 55 I have more hair than you and am substantially better looking than you. Do you have more money--duh the whole board has more money than me. You are 12 years younger than me and look at least if not older than me.
I live in reality. Women dont want a 55 year old guy on welfare with not a lot going for him. And I dont blame them. But unlike you, Im real about it. You are an ugly ugly man with no hair and rotting organs.
This chick is probably considered “decent” looking up in the Canadian hinterlands, like in Thunder Bay or Weasel Piss Creek, or wherever the fuck these fat, lazy, tundra queens live. 😂
She maybe rates a 1.5 on the Shitpipe List, which means Henda would bed down with her after a night on the drink. I might consider pissing on her hands while she jerked Matt C off with her feet. But only if she wore an old Red Wings Probert #24 sweater.
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This is amazing. You live really lean. -No money to spend frivolously.
funny thing is I think Im doing well. I feed myself, have a roof, a car, no debt and all the freedom that Id ever want or need. To me its a lot of money and Im pretty content and happy with it. I gotta play the fat poor miserable bipolar trainwreck on here though to keep bhanks happy :D
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funny thing is I think Im doing well. I feed myself, have a roof, a car, no debt and all the freedom that Id ever want or need. To me its a lot of money and Im pretty content and happy with it. I gotta play the fat poor miserable bipolar trainwreck on here though to keep bhanks happy :D
LOL at the trainwreck remark!
You have a great positive attitude and yeah, it seems like you have every essential you need. Having freedom is paramount.
I know a few people with higher fixed incomes than you have who do nothing but complain about how poor they are. I also know people with so much money they could never spend it all and yet they fail to find happiness in life.
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Oak is showing another side of himself. It's not his good side.
It's been evident from the beginning he's a gimmick just here to agitate.
Pattern easy to see and pointed out by many.
You may have missed it due to confirmation bias.
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Michael Gunner, the Chief Minister for the Northern Territory:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FB89XTkVkAADdb1?format=jpg&name=medium)
Texas : population 30 000 000 , size 696.200 km2
Northern Territory : population 251 000 (246 000 in Darwin) , size 1.42 million km2
No comparison !.
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Go live in Thailand and find a way to keep receiving that money. You'll live a good life with that amount of money and you can tan and get the girls.
I think even if you have to spend like a period of time in Canada to keep receiving the money you can financially afford a plane ticket once a few months.
No chance, needs US $ 35k on his Thai bank account & around US $ 1500 monthly income !. Or no 'old guys visa' !.
Thailand is not cheap !.
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No chance, needs US $ 35k on his Thai bank account & around US $ 1500 monthly income !. Or no 'old guys visa' !.
Thailand is not cheap !.
Im pretty happy where I am. I like winter far more than summer
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It's been evident from the beginning he's a gimmick just here to agitate.
Pattern easy to see and pointed out by many.
You may have missed it due to confirmation bias.
I've been working on keeping my confirmation bias in check, incase you hadn't noticed. :)
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No chance, needs US $ 35k on his Thai bank account & around US $ 1500 monthly income !. Or no 'old guys visa' !.
Thailand is not cheap !.
Can you post a link to a site that shows those figures? In checking I found different amounts and options. https://smartasset.com/retirement/how-to-retire-in-thailand. What I found interesting is that a person needs to be 50 years old to get a retirement visa.
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It's been evident from the beginning he's a gimmick just here to agitate.
Pattern easy to see and pointed out by many.
You may have missed it due to confirmation bias.
I can't believe and ANTIVAXXER called someone ELSE a gimmick.
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Can you post a link to a site that shows those figures? In checking I found different amounts and options. https://smartasset.com/retirement/how-to-retire-in-thailand. What I found interesting is that a person needs to be 50 years old to get a retirement visa.
Allways go to Thai Embassy website in your country !. Visit 1st as tourist !.
You must have a traveling insurance, minimum of US $ 100K or no entry !.
Too many times Thai hospitals stiched drunk tourist drivers for free. Top hospitals in Thailand !.
Stay away from scooters !.
Thailand of 1980 is long gone & all those BS stories too !.
Country is cash loaded & is not cheap.
When there, regional immigration office will give you all infos about visas/residency !.
Tropical climate, fresh food & Land of Smiles = ;D
Book hotel for 3 nights only, 1000's of hotels to choose from !.Never pay over $ 50 p/n !.
Travel ultra light , no leather shoes,jackets, suits or long pants !.
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Allways go to Thai Embassy website in your country !. Visit 1st as tourist !.
You must have a traveling insurance, minimum of US $ 100K or no entry !.
Too many times Thai hospitals stiched drunk tourist drivers for free. Top hospitals in Thailand !.
Stay away from scooters !.
Thailand of 1980 is long gone & all those BS stories too !.
Country is cash loaded & is not cheap.
When there, regional immigration office will give you all infos about visas/residency !.
Tropical climate, fresh food & Land of Smiles = ;D
Book hotel for 3 nights only, 1000's of hotels to choose from !.Never pay over $ 50 p/n !.
Travel ultra light , no leather shoes,jackets, suits or long pants !.
This is really great advice. Unless something drastic were to change, I probably won't be going to Thailand anytime soon. I have no reason to move there. If I were more of a world traveler, I'd consider visiting Thailand.
No doubt there are folks here who could benefit from your good advice, so it isn't wasted.
Incidentally, isn't it advisable to have traveling insurance anywhere you go? I remember when my wife and I went to Mexico, we took out insurance for that trip in order to be able to drive in the country relatively safely.....like not getting put in a Mexican jail for failing to signal or some such thing. LOL!
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I’m not a Doctor, but based on this pic I’d strongly recommend getting the vaccine! Aside from being OBESE it looks like you have several other COVID risk factors.
I hope this helps.
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Really? Can you post a pic in the exact same posture for us to compare and have a standard of what is fit and healthy? This guy is 55 years old. How many 55-year-olds do you know that looks this good?
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its totaly fine Ill answer anything
Im on whats called the SAID program--saskatchewan assured income disability---I get 1380 dollars per month and from that I have to pay rent, groceries and other minor stuff. My utility bills are paid. I get discounts at piles of places. My meds are paid, dental is paid and I pay a small % of optical. I can also hit food bank and grocery "chits". When all the side benefits are added up Id say I clear 1800 per month.
As with most situations, it's how much it costs to keep a roof over your head. The rent for a average one bedroom apartment starts at $1,200/month, not including utilities. Even a room at the YMCA goes for around $800 and you have to share a bathroom with everyone on the floor.
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Go live in Thailand and find a way to keep receiving that money. You'll live a good life with that amount of money and you can tan and get the girls.
I think even if you have to spend like a period of time in Canada to keep receiving the money you can financially afford a plane ticket once a few months.
Tell me more. I'm starting to think more and more to move to a place where the cost of living is cheap and can live comfortably without worry. It's just I wouldn't know where to start. How can I find a place in Thailand or the Philippines and get set up from where I am. I'm talking about finding a place, buying or sending my car over...
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Really? Can you post a pic in the exact same posture for us to compare and have a standard of what is fit and healthy? This guy is 55 years old. How many 55-year-olds do you know that looks this good?
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Really? Can you post a pic in the exact same posture for us to compare and have a standard of what is fit and healthy? This guy is 55 years old. How many 55-year-olds do you know that looks this good?
If he is so fit and healthy why can't he work?
What is his disability?
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I can't believe and ANTIVAXXER called someone ELSE a gimmick.
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Since I'm not an anti-vaxxer, and have made that point many times, you have just confirmed what I said.
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If he is so fit and healthy why can't he work?
What is his disability?
That has been thoroughly vetted many, many times. It has nothing to do with his physical health. He can tell you exactly what is his disability but that is beside the point. You called him obese. Will you post a picture of what you look like so he can have a standard to aspire to?
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That has been thoroughly vetted many, many times. It has nothing to do with his physical health. He can tell you exactly what is his disability but that is beside the point. You called him obese. Will you post a picture of what you look like so he can have a standard to aspire to?
First of all it was a joke.
Second, his initial comments towards me were much worse (I know that I'm not well liked here because I'm PRO Vaccine) but I felt they were uncalled for....that's what you get.
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Since I'm not an anti-vaxxer, and have made that point many times, you have just confirmed what I said.
Are you fully vaccinated?
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First of all it was a joke.
Second, his initial comments towards me were much worse (I know that I'm not well liked here because I'm PRO Vaccine) but I felt they were uncalled for....that's what you get.
What makes you think anyone will consider what you said a joke? But a person's tone changes considerably when asked to post a pic after criticizing another person's look.
Also, it has nothing to do with being PRO vaccine. It's about personal choice. I answered your very legitimate question as to not understanding why someone would be anti-vax with a serious response which you have simply ignored.
The question in a free society is not always what is right and good but rather who should decide. There are countless things that we can impose on a society that would vastly prove health, safety, and welfare but we don't because of the imposition on our freedoms. The Soviet Union practically eliminated violent street crime by being a police state where no one had any rights to privacy. There are always trade-offs and it's a challenge to find the perfect balance.
What I am curious about is why people who are vaccinated care whether others are not. You promote that everyone gets vaccinated because you believe it provides some protection against the virus. You may say that it is not 100% but nothing in life is 100%. Is it worth it to remake our entire society because something is not 100% safe? You also admit that getting the vaccine doesn't prevent you from spreading it to others therefore you are offering no protection to others getting the vaccine. So getting the vaccine to protect others is a wash. Not getting may increase your chances of getting the virus. Why do you care?
The effects are the same on others as to whether or not you are vaccinated. It should be up to the individual to decide from themselves.
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What makes you think anyone will consider what you said a joke? But a person's tone changes considerably when asked to post a pic after criticizing another person's look.
Also, it has nothing to do with being PRO vaccine. It's about personal choice. I answered your very legitimate question as to not understanding why someone would be anti-vax with a serious response which you have simply ignored.
I've been on this board for over 18 years. Calling someone "obese" is hardly SHOCKING here.
I've responded many times to your question. But, I'll answer it yet once again (sign).
Why do I care that people take the vaccine:
The unvaccinated are 6,000% more likely to end up in the ICU. This overwhelms our healthcare system and people are dying.
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OAK, playing both sides to the T.
That's what gimmicks do.
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oak sounds a lot like howard the coward - an imbecile.
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I've been on this board for over 18 years. Calling someone "obese" is hardly SHOCKING here.
I've responded many times to your question. But, I'll answer it yet once again (sign).
Why do I care that people take the vaccine:
The unvaccinated are 6,000% more likely to end up in the ICU. This overwhelms our healthcare system and people are dying.
So your argument is that you want to control people's behavior because of the burden to our health care system. OK, fair point. By why stop there? Heart disease is the number killer in our society and it's almost all attributed to a poor diet. Shall we control that as well? Everyone is subject to a 4 monthly checkup and if you are above a certain BMI we limit your food intake. You get a meal card. Why don't we force people to work out 3 times a week? You are assigned a gym and a record is kept verified by trainers. Why don't we simply make cigarette smoking illegal already? How about we limit or eliminate foods like ice-cream and bacon which I solely consumed for enjoyment and not nutritional value. Shall we tax or limit participation in activities that are risky? Mountain climbing, riding a motorcycle, surfing, snowboarding...
I have absolutely no doubt that following these rules and limitations would vastly increase our society's health, safety, and welfare and decrease the cost of health care tremendously?
But again, it is not always a question of good or bad but rather who should decide. Do you want to live in a free society? There are always going to be tradeoffs. Are health and safety the number one priority that trumps all other values?
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oak sounds a lot like howard the coward - an imbecile.
No, he's nothing special. He represents the vast majority of the population that are sheep. They don't question but follow. I see them every day. The guy wearing a mask alone in his air-conditioned car, the family that unknowingly abuses their small child forcing them to wear a mask. My nurse at my PCP office wears both a mask and a face shield all day. When I asked her why she said, "For the extra protection." They are not comfortable unless their health and safety are 100% assured.
One thing I realized, and this is just from getting older and paying attention, is that it is a myth that man yearns for freedom. Sure some do, but for the most part people far, far, far prefer safety and security. To be taken care of. To have the responsibilities left to others. It explains how a Jim Jones cult can exists or an Adolph Hitler can take over. A few lead, the vast majority just follow.
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So your argument is that you want to control people's behavior because of the burden to our health care system. OK, fair point. By why stop there? Heart disease is the number killer in our society and it's almost all attributed to a poor diet. Shall we control that as well? Everyone is subject to a 4 monthly checkup and if you are above a certain BMI we limit your food intake. You get a meal card. Why don't we force people to work out 3 times a week? You are assigned a gym and a record is kept verified by trainers. Why don't we simply make cigarette smoking illegal already? How about we limit or eliminate foods like ice-cream and bacon which I solely consumed for enjoyment and not nutritional value. Shall we tax or limit participation in activities that are risky? Mountain climbing, riding a motorcycle, surfing, snowboarding...
I have absolutely no doubt that following these rules and limitations would vastly increase our society's health, safety, and welfare and decrease the cost of health care tremendously?
But again, it is not always a question of good or bad but rather who should decide. Do you want to live in a free society? There are always going to be tradeoffs. Are health and safety the number one priority that trumps all other values?
That’s easy. Heart disease isn’t contagious. If someone has a heart attack they don’t kill a thousand other people.
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That’s easy. Heart disease isn’t contagious. If someone has a heart attack they don’t kill a thousand other people.
Again, you missed the point. Your argument was based on the burden to health care. And, by your own admission, and what "the science says" it doesn't matter whether you are vaccinated or not, you can still spread the virus.
Not so easy now when you include logic and using your own arguments.
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Again, you missed the point. Your argument was based on the burden to health care. And, by your own admission, and what "the science says" it doesn't matter whether you are vaccinated or not, you can still spread the virus.
Not so easy now when you include logic and using your own arguments.
You are correct, but the vaccinated are way less likely to spread the virus.
Also, don’t forget, the unvaccinated are 6,000% more likely to end up in the ICU.
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Again, you missed the point. Your argument was based on the burden to health care. And, by your own admission, and what "the science says" it doesn't matter whether you are vaccinated or not, you can still spread the virus.
Not so easy now when you include logic and using your own arguments.
I like you pellius, you are a great great man, and Im not a fan of OAK. But it seems quite obvious that the unvaxxed are much more likely to end up in ICU. In Sask where I live, the difference is monumental in whos in the icu
sure vaxxed can spread, but even with a flu shot you can still get the flu and still spread the flu, you just get less sick
same thing here, in my opinion
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You are correct, but the vaccinated are way less likely to spread the virus.
Also, don’t forget, the unvaccinated are 6,000% more likely to end up in the ICU.
Bullshit. The vaccinated are the ones spreading the virus.
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Bullshit. The vaccinated are the ones spreading the virus.
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If I’m just a gimmick why are you responding to me?
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I have been here far too long..... I'm not saying anything.
To be quite honest, I had no idea, nor cared about you, until you quoted me.
Who?
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I have been here far too long..... I'm not saying anything.
To be quite honest, I had no idea, nor cared about you, until you quoted me.
Who?
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Hate to agree with Shizzo but he’s right and it’s been proven time and time again. The “Oak” is trolling
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Bullshit. The vaccinated are the ones spreading the virus.
..but not in ICU from it. Both parties spread it
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Actually, I apologize.
The Oak account was created in 2003. I respect an OG.
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You are correct, but the vaccinated are way less likely to spread the virus.
Also, don’t forget, the unvaccinated are 6,000% more likely to end up in the ICU.
I'm not sure where you came up with that as it's been revealed that it may be the opposite. So for me, it's a wash. Everybody has roughly the same ability to spread the virus. And percentages are misleading like this one. 6,000%? Compare to what? You can go from one to two and claim a 100% increase. But it's still just two. The bottom line is the mortality rate and it is less that 1%. Now, obviously, that fraction of a percent means little to those who have lost someone, but does it justifies completely restructuring our society and limiting our freedoms?
So again, you are ignoring your original argument which was the burden on the health care system and not the getting of the virus itself. And if that is the case, then, again, compare to what? There are many other things that are more of a burden to our health care system so why don't we do anything about that? Banning smoking and controlling nutritional intake would take care of 80% of our health care costs.
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..but not in ICU from it. Both parties spread it
You are right. And that's also why we all need to think for ourselves. The virus hit me hard, but I was vigilant the entire time. I was keeping track of my lung function.
It's literally about genetics and oxygen saturation levels.
A two month old baby, and my 13 year old nephew, were literally immune.
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I like you pellius, you are a great great man, and Im not a fan of OAK. But it seems quite obvious that the unvaxxed are much more likely to end up in ICU. In Sask where I live, the difference is monumental in whos in the icu
sure vaxxed can spread, but even with a flu shot you can still get the flu and still spread the flu, you just get less sick
same thing here, in my opinion
I recommend every adult get vaccinated. I recommend everyone quit smoking. I recommend every workout at least three days a week. I recommend everyone cut back on saturated fats and sugars. What I don't recommend is that a law be passed or some coercive punishment imposed by the state forcing this behavior.
Again and again, it's not always a question of what is good or better but rather who should decide. We were born living in a free society. It is taken for granted. The vast majority of people have no idea what an anomaly that is. It wasn't easy to get and should be guarded for all that is holy.
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I'm not sure where you came up with that as it's been revealed that it may be the opposite. So for me, it's a wash. Everybody has roughly the same ability to spread the virus. And percentages are misleading like this one. 6,000%? Compare to what? You can go from one to two and claim a 100% increase. But it's still just two. The bottom line is the mortality rate and it is less that 1%. Now, obviously, that fraction of a percent means little to those who have lost someone, but it justifies completely restructuring our society and limiting our freedoms.
So again, you are ignoring your original argument which was the burden on the health care system and not the getting of the virus itself. And if that is the case, then, again, compare to what? There are many other things that are more of a burden to our health care system so why don't we do anything about that? Banning smoking and controlling nutritional intake would take care of 80% of our health care costs.
Sorry. Your stats simply aren’t correct.
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I recommend every adult get vaccinated. I recommend everyone quit smoking. I recommend every workout at least three days a week. I recommend everyone cut back on saturated fats and sugars. What I don't recommend is that a law be passed or some coercive punishment imposed by the state forcing this behavior.
Again and again, it's not always a question of what is good or better but rather who should decide. We were born living in a free society. It is taken for granted. The vast majority of people have no idea what an anomaly that is. It wasn't easy to get and should be guarded for all that is holy.
Absolutely you are right on the button
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Alright guys.
It’s been fun!
I’m out for tonight!
Cheers 🍻
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Actually, I apologize.
The Oak account was created in 2003. I respect an OG.
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Yes!
Don’t you miss the old days on Getbig when you could razz someone…without getting scolded?
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Yes!
Don’t you miss the old days on Getbig when you could razz someone…without getting scolded?
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It comes with the territory.
Without love and conflict, Getbig never would have existed.
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Sorry. Your stats simply aren’t correct.
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What Stats? I gave no stats, you did. I use stats as speculation. You cannot answer me so you just avoid and redirect.
The fact that you avoid addressing the response to the question you asked, why are people anti-vaxed (which they are not as has been explained many times already that it's about freedom of choice) and your reason that it's due to the spread of disease when it doesn't matter whether you are vaxed or not, shows and proves that you aren't really concerned about the truth but simply pushing your agenda.
Again, this is nothing unusual. Most people are like you. Those who think for themselves are becoming more and more of a rarity. That is what you should be sorry for.
Whether or not if I get the vaccine should be of no concern to you. It doesn't put you more at risk, and as for me being an added burden to the health care system, everyone knows, as the financial incentives are there, that those dying from Covid are skewed. Those in the high-risk group could very well have died from the numerous other ailments that come with old age. It's about control and following the herd.
Start thinking for yourself.
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Hmm...do I detect a trend? ^
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What Stats? I gave no stats, you did. I use stats as speculation. You cannot answer me so you just avoid and redirect.
The fact that you avoid addressing the response to the question you asked, why are people anti-vaxed (which they are not as has been explained many times already that it's about freedom of choice) and your reason that it's due to the spread of disease when it doesn't matter whether you are vaxed or not, shows and proves that you aren't really concerned about the truth but simply pushing your agenda.
Again, this is nothing unusual. Most people are like you. Those who think for themselves are becoming more and more of a rarity. That is what you should be sorry for.
Whether or not if I get the vaccine should be of no concern to you. It doesn't put you more at risk, and as for me being an added burden to the health care system, everyone knows, as the financial incentives are there, that those dying from Covid are skewed. Those in the high-risk group could very well have died from the numerous other ailments that come with old age. It's about control and following the herd.
Start thinking for yourself.
“There are very few things in medicine in my career that I’ve seen that are protective in the way that these vaccines are protective against a severe illness,” said Dr. Fahad Razak, a member of the Science Advisory Table and internal medicine physician at St. Michael’s Hospital in Toronto.
Here you go.
https://globalnews.ca/news/8230051/covid-vaccine-hospitalization-risk-ontario/ (https://globalnews.ca/news/8230051/covid-vaccine-hospitalization-risk-ontario/)
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two principles that usually leads one right.
1. Follow the money
2. Learn who/what you can't criticize
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“There are very few things in medicine in my career that I’ve seen that are protective in the way that these vaccines are protective against a severe illness,” said Dr. Fahad Razak, a member of the Science Advisory Table and internal medicine physician at St. Michael’s Hospital in Toronto.
Here you go.
https://globalnews.ca/news/8230051/covid-vaccine-hospitalization-risk-ontario/ (https://globalnews.ca/news/8230051/covid-vaccine-hospitalization-risk-ontario/)
And you still haven't realised the MSM is following an agenda?
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What Stats? I gave no stats, you did. I use stats as speculation. You cannot answer me so you just avoid and redirect.
The fact that you avoid addressing the response to the question you asked, why are people anti-vaxed (which they are not as has been explained many times already that it's about freedom of choice) and your reason that it's due to the spread of disease when it doesn't matter whether you are vaxed or not, shows and proves that you aren't really concerned about the truth but simply pushing your agenda.
Again, this is nothing unusual. Most people are like you. Those who think for themselves are becoming more and more of a rarity. That is what you should be sorry for.
Whether or not if I get the vaccine should be of no concern to you. It doesn't put you more at risk, and as for me being an added burden to the health care system, everyone knows, as the financial incentives are there, that those dying from Covid are skewed. Those in the high-risk group could very well have died from the numerous other ailments that come with old age. It's about control and following the herd.
Start thinking for yourself.
Exactly! Once you stop being an independent thinker you loose your identity. Most of the World are sheep who take comfort in being led.
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And you still haven't realised the MSM is following an agenda?
MSM?
This is a report from the government.
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MSM?
This is a report from the government.
https://globalnews.ca/author/leslie-young/
Shes a journalist you fucking muppet
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more:
(https://i.postimg.cc/RV4YP8Gf/FBrq-TDq-VUB0-Bvty.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/HszhF2PN/FBrq-TFUVUBcqdb-G.jpg)
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https://globalnews.ca/author/leslie-young/
Shes a journalist you fucking muppet
Yes…what is your point?
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Yes…what is your point?
E=mc2
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E=mc2
Lol…that was easy.
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I read a recommendation that people over 65 with compromised immune systems or health issues which make them more susceptible to COVID, continue to practice safe distancing, mask wearing and to employ other methods to limit their exposure to the virus even if they are fully vaccinated. The bottom line is that while the vaccines help prevent serious COVID symptoms, they are in no way a guarantee that you won't get COVID or even that you won't get seriously ill if you do contract COVID. The vaccinations are just one more tool in your toolbox.
I also read that of the three vaccines, trials show that the not yet FDA approved Moderna booster has the highest efficacy and is the recommended booster for both the Johnson and Johnson and Moderna vaccines. This mix and match approach it also something new.
It seems as if there is new and different information being put out on a daily basis. It's confusing because sometimes the recommendations seem conflicting. Ultimately, I see it as proof that we are still in the early stages of learning how to best cope and manage the COVID pandemic. It is understandable why many people find it difficult to trust the information we are being given.
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Lol…that was easy.
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If you want some interseting reading go look at hospitalisations for all causes in Canada
Puts your link into perspective..
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If you want some interseting reading go look at hospitalisations for all causes in Canada
Puts your link into perspective..
Actually my link was about the ICU.
Try again!
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While you're arguing about this easy covid virus that I already got.
I'm drinking this fine sherried blended malt that taste almost like a Macallan and smoking a P2 ;D
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While you're arguing about this easy covid virus that I already got.
I'm drinking this fine sherried blended malt that taste almost like a Macallan and smoking a P2 ;D
Exactly.
None of this means anything to me anyway.
Don't care if people are vaxxed or not, it's none of my business.
I'm about to leave the office and go have a delicious Italian dinner with my GF. Plenty of wine tonight.
No fucks to give about anything.
Still unvaccinated.
No masks.
No social distancing.
Just an amazing night.
Already had Covid, no big deal.
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I recommend every adult get vaccinated. I recommend everyone quit smoking. I recommend every workout at least three days a week. I recommend everyone cut back on saturated fats and sugars. What I don't recommend is that a law be passed or some coercive punishment imposed by the state forcing this behavior.
Again and again, it's not always a question of what is good or better but rather who should decide. We were born living in a free society. It is taken for granted. The vast majority of people have no idea what an anomaly that is. It wasn't easy to get and should be guarded for all that is holy.
Pure intelligence, reason and wisdom.
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Exactly.
None of this means anything to me anyway.
Don't care if people are vaxxed or not, it's none of my business.
I'm about to leave the office and go have a delicious Italian dinner with my GF. Plenty of wine tonight.
No fucks to give about anything.
Still unvaccinated.
No masks.
No social distancing.
Just an amazing night.
Already had Covid, no big deal.
Smart thinking.
Enjoy your freedom now....you won't have it much longer.
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Exactly.
None of this means anything to me anyway.
Don't care if people are vaxxed or not, it's none of my business.
I'm about to leave the office and go have a delicious Italian dinner with my GF. Plenty of wine tonight.
No fucks to give about anything.
Still unvaccinated.
No masks.
No social distancing.
Just an amazing night.
Already had Covid, no big deal.
Lucky you.
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“There are very few things in medicine in my career that I’ve seen that are protective in the way that these vaccines are protective against a severe illness,” said Dr. Fahad Razak, a member of the Science Advisory Table and internal medicine physician at St. Michael’s Hospital in Toronto.
Here you go.
https://globalnews.ca/news/8230051/covid-vaccine-hospitalization-risk-ontario/ (https://globalnews.ca/news/8230051/covid-vaccine-hospitalization-risk-ontario/)
Why do you avoid my very simple question? If the vaccine is effective why do you care whether or not others are protected? If it's not that effective why take the risk of taking something where the long-term effects are unknown and your risks of dying are at a fraction of one percent.?
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https://globalnews.ca/author/leslie-young/
Shes a journalist you fucking muppet
This guy is just not too bright. Hence, he is part of and simply follows the herd. He leaves the thinking to others.
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Pellius is Getbig's greatest debater.
No, not masterbater you clowns.
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Exactly.
None of this means anything to me anyway.
Don't care if people are vaxxed or not, it's none of my business.
I'm about to leave the office and go have a delicious Italian dinner with my GF. Plenty of wine tonight.
No fucks to give about anything.
Still unvaccinated.
No masks.
No social distancing.
Just an amazing night.
Already had Covid, no big deal.
Enjoy your life 8)
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Tell me more. I'm starting to think more and more to move to a place where the cost of living is cheap and can live comfortably without worry. It's just I wouldn't know where to start. How can I find a place in Thailand or the Philippines and get set up from where I am. I'm talking about finding a place, buying or sending my car over...
I don't know much about this as I'm already born and living in a country like that. Google is your friend.
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Smart thinking.
Enjoy your freedom now....you won't have it much longer.
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I don't live in Communist Canada you fuckwit.
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https://twitter.com/MarcusTriton/status/1450672946817630208
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I don't live in Communist Canada you fuckwit.
Ummm…it’s not just Canada.
It’s the entire world!
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Thank you for the post.
All kidding aside, I actually agree with a lot of what you are saying here.
I'm sure Canada could have done a better job of managing the pandemic especially at the beginning of it. If we had taken Sweden's approach, who knows, maybe we would have been better off.
As to whether we should focus our resources on the younger members of our population instead of the older ones. This is a question of morality. Something like 90% of Canada's health care dollars is spent on a person's last 6 month of life. Is this the right thing to do. I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.
I feel though, that you're manipulating the COVID death stats (all antivaxxers do) to make it seem like the virus is less lethal and contagious than it is. My point about the 911 attacks was just an example. You could apply it to any situation. If a single person is senselessly murdered should we ignore it because 99.999999% of the population wasn't murdered. Of course not.
COVID is 20 times more lethal than the common flu and much more contagious. These facts can't be denied.
Are you immune compromised or something lol? Even if you were, permanently stripping healthy people of their rights is not a solution to your lack of healthy lifestyle. Please turn off the CBC they have really got ahold of your brain :-\
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Ummm…it’s not just Canada.
It’s the entire world!
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I know you are a gimmick.
But i can tell you i haven't worn a mask or social distanced in months.
I live in the mountains.
People don't care about that shit here.
Not at work either.
I've been on a military base recently and no masks were required.
Stop watching CNN.
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I know you are a gimmick.
But i can tell you i haven't worn a mask or social distanced in months.
I live in the mountains.
People don't care about that shit here.
Not at work either.
I've been on a military base recently and no masks were required.
Stop watching CNN.
I have never done it.. I live in a built up area
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I know you are a gimmick.
But i can tell you i haven't worn a mask or social distanced in months.
I live in the mountains.
People don't care about that shit here.
Not at work either.
I've been on a military base recently and no masks were required.
Stop watching CNN.
Oh, you live in the mountains, that makes sense.
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Are you immune compromised or something lol? Even if you were, permanently stripping healthy people of their rights is not a solution to your lack of healthy lifestyle. Please turn off the CBC they have really got ahold of your brain :-\
It's a terrible virus. If the medical experts advise keeping the unvaccinated away from public places like restaurants or movie theatres I'm all for that. Anything that helps.
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I know you are a gimmick.
But i can tell you i haven't worn a mask or social distanced in months.
I live in the mountains.
People don't care about that shit here.
Not at work either.
I've been on a military base recently and no masks were required.
Stop watching CNN.
Which military base would that be and when were you there? My son works on a military base....according to him masks are required.
Fort Bragg requires masks indoors.
https://media.defense.gov/2021/Jul/28/2002814362/-1/-1/1/UPDATED-MASK-GUIDELINES-FOR-ALL-DOD-INSTALLATIONS-AND-OTHER-FACILITIES-OSD006862-21-FOD-FINAL.PDF
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No masks for the Emmy's. No masks for the big NYC Met gala. No masks for Pelosi's wine party. No masks for Obama's big tent birthday party. At all of these events dominated by Democrats the help had to wear masks but not the guests. Masks are required for school children who are at the lowest risk of dying for any age group. Look up CDC stats for 5 to 17 year old kid deaths from covid. It's all bull shit. Over 70% of the country is vaccinated and they still want to play this game. Covid will always be here like the flu. Like the approximately 50K a year that die from pneumonia and the 15K that die from the flu we will always have covid deaths now because of that China lab making a virus that exists in nature more deadly.
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No masks for the Emmy's. No masks for the big NYC Met gala. No masks for Pelosi's wine party. No masks for Obama's big tent birthday party. At all of these events dominated by Democrats the help had to wear masks but not the guests. Masks are required for school children who are at the lowest risk of dying for any age group. Look up CDC stats for 5 to 17 year old kid deaths from covid. It's all bull shit. Over 70% of the country is vaccinated and they still want to play this game. Covid will always be here like the flu. Like the approximately 50K a year that die from pneumonia and the 15K that die from the flu we will always have covid deaths now because of that China lab making a virus that exists in nature more deadly.
I don't know it for a fact but I'd wager a hefty sum that the guests attending those events you've referenced were fully vaccinated. Also, 50K + 15K = 65K. We had 500K covid deaths in about 11 months. Not a great comparison.
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Which military base would that be and when were you there? My son works on a military base....according to him masks are required.
Fort Bragg requires masks indoors.
https://media.defense.gov/2021/Jul/28/2002814362/-1/-1/1/UPDATED-MASK-GUIDELINES-FOR-ALL-DOD-INSTALLATIONS-AND-OTHER-FACILITIES-OSD006862-21-FOD-FINAL.PDF
Holloman AFB.
White Sands Missile Range.
Fort Bliss.
I'm a "consultant".
Stop reading online.
Go there and tell me i'm wrong.
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It's a terrible virus. If the medical experts advise keeping the unvaccinated away from public places like restaurants or movie theatres I'm all for that. Anything that helps.
😷😷😷http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=post;quote=9667798;topic=675211.275;last_msg=9667981#
If that's what you believe, why don't YOU keep away from public places like restaurants and movie theatres?
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If that's what you believe, why don't YOU keep away from public places like restaurants and movie theatres?
the people who believe this is a serious disease should just stay home and let everyone else get on with life
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the people who believe this is a serious disease should just stay home and let everyone else get on with life
Ummm…people who believe this is a serious disease get vaccinated.
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the people who believe this is a serious disease should just stay home and let everyone else get on with life
That makes no sense. The unvaccinated are the problem.
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That makes no sense. The unvaccinated are the problem.
https://www.healthline.com/health/how-long-does-covid-vaccine-protect-you
variants are produced by vaccinated people, not unvaccinated
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https://www.healthline.com/health/how-long-does-covid-vaccine-protect-you
variants are produced by vaccinated people, not unvaccinated
No. Variants occur when the vaccine mutates. Vaccinated people don’t MAKE them.
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No. Variants occur when the vaccine mutates. Vaccinated people don’t MAKE them.
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you obviously dont know how virus works
A virus does not want to kill its host, as such variants ALWAYS lessen in severity and may become more transmissible.
A virus wants to live on its host, if it cant it will mutate, as such a vaccinated person is less likely to suffer from the virus as it will die, (thats your science by the way if you believe vaccines work) so what does it do, why it mutates of course...
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you obviously dont know how virus works
A virus does not want to kill its host, as such variants ALWAYS lessen in severity and may become more transmissible.
A virus wants to live on its host, if it cant it will mutate, as such a vaccinated person is less likely to suffer from the virus as it will die, (thats your science by the way if you believe vaccines work) so what does it do, why it mutates of course...
Viruses want to LIVE off their host?
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You have about a grade 5 level understanding of viruses. No wonder you don’t understand how vaccines work.
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Viruses want to LIVE off their host?
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You have about a grade 5 level understanding of viruses. No wonder you don’t understand how vaccines work.
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what happens to a virus when its host dies?
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you obviously dont know how virus works
A virus does not want to kill its host, as such variants ALWAYS lessen in severity and may become more transmissible.
A virus wants to live on its host, if it cant it will mutate, as such a vaccinated person is less likely to suffer from the virus as it will die, (thats your science by the way if you believe vaccines work) so what does it do, why it mutates of course...
OAK is a blithering idiot. So he has to be Howard. He has no idea that in a normal immune response the body produces dozens of related proteins in anticipation of virus mutation. This does not occur with mRNA therapy since it is encoded to produce just ONE antigen. As quick as a mutation can form it infects the person with the vaccine and that is why they are super spreaders.
OAK- go look up ADE, you fucking one eyed mongoloid: https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-safety/antibody-dependent-enhancement-and-vaccines
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what happens to a virus when its host dies?
Change the subject…lol.
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Change the subject…lol.
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idiot, its the same subject
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This TOO funny.
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what happens to a virus when its host dies?
Ok.
While attempting to LECTURE me on how viruses work you claimed:
1. Viruses are LIVING organisms
2. They mutate because they don’t want to DIE.
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what happens to a virus when its host dies?
How many times over the last few weeks have you claimed to be an EXPERT on viruses and vaccines on this board alone?
You don’t even know what a fucking virus is!
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Ok.
While attempting to LECTURE me on how viruses work you claimed:
1. Viruses are LIVING organisms
2. They mutate because they don’t want to DIE.
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the science is totally split on that one my friend..
https://microbiologysociety.org/publication/past-issues/what-is-life/article/are-viruses-alive-what-is-life.html
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OAK is a blithering idiot. So he has to be Howard.
Bro! LOL ;D
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Oak seems too dumb to be Howard.
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Oak seems too dumb to be Howard.
Nope not Howard.
However, I'm starting to think that all of these antivaxxer accounts are coming from the same person.
You guys are such SHEEP.
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Nope not Howard.
However, I'm starting to think that all of these antivaxxer accounts are coming from the same person.
You guys are such SHEEP.
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I'm going tell Bhanky you insulted us and he will beat you up.
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the science is totally split on that one my friend..
https://microbiologysociety.org/publication/past-issues/what-is-life/article/are-viruses-alive-what-is-life.html
Looks like it took you over an hour to look up the definition of VIRUS and respond to me.
hahahahaha
This is TOO funnny!
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I'm going tell Bhanky you insulted us and he will beat you up.
He won't do that until the knee and elbow sleeves arrive. But he absolutely could right now if he wanted to.
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Looks like it took you over an hour to look up the definition of VIRUS and respond to me.
hahahahaha
This is TOO funnny!
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another lie...
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He won't do that until the knee and elbow sleeves arrive. But he absolutely could right now if he wanted to.
Absolutely.
I doubt Oak would say it to his face though. He'd be scared of Bhanky's muscles.
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Holloman AFB.
White Sands Missile Range.
Fort Bliss.
I'm a "consultant".
Stop reading online.
Go there and tell me i'm wrong.
I asked you a question. How is that saying you are wrong? What part about my son working on a military base telling me masks are required did I read online?
Since you brought up reading information on line and since it is unlikely I will visit these military sites, I am going to go with what they've published.
This Fort Bliss bulletin was updated on September 20, 2021 and originally published last July.
https://home.army.mil/bliss/index.php/my-fort/Bliss-Bulletin
Highlights from the bulletin:
*All personnel on the Fort Bliss Military Reservation must wear a professional face covering, approved by the CDC, while inside any installation facility or government vehicle. Exceptions to installation facilities are a service member’s residence or barracks room. See below for more details:
*All Service Members, Federal Employees, onsite contractor employees, and visitors – regardless of vaccination status – must wear appropriate face coverings inside all public and work facilities as well as government vehicles on Fort Bliss.
*While visiting private residences on Fort Bliss unvaccinated personnel must wear face coverings and take the appropriate precautionary measures both indoors and outdoors.
*Exceptions to the requirement to wear face coverings:
*When an individual is alone in an office with floor-to-ceiling walls with a closed door.
*For brief periods of time when eating and drinking while maintaining distancing in accordance with CDC guidance and instructions from commanders and supervisors.
*When the mask is required to be lowered briefly for identification or security purposes.
*When necessary to reasonably accommodate an individual with a disability.
*Children under two years of age should not wear face coverings.
My son-in-law was stationed at Fort Bliss prior to his retirement 6 years ago. Maybe the command has become more lax since then. I was under the impression they went by the rules based on things he talked about. A lot can change in 6 years....although the military is know for it's many rules and guidelines.
The White Sands Missile Range document is dated July 29, 2021.
(https://www.wsmr.army.mil/coronavirus/PublishingImages/ufmg.jpg)
HAFB COVID-19 FAQs is dated July 30, 2021
https://www.holloman.af.mil/Portals/101/HAFB%20COVID%20questions%20dependents%20retirees%20visitors%2030%20July%2021.pdf
excerpt:
A1: Effective Monday, August 2, 2021, all service members, federal employees, contractors, visitors
and dependents, regardless of vaccination status, are required to wear a mask indoors (except in
designated Mask Not Required areas.) This is in accordance with current DoD policy. The Installation
Commander will assess updated COVID-19 rates for the local and base community to determine
future guidance. This mask policy will remain in effect until further notice.
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another lie...
It's right in the open for everyone too see.
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another lie...
I mean, I wouldn't expect a self proclaimed EXPERT like yourself to know EVERYTHING about the COVID 19 Virus and vaccine.....but to not even know the definition of "VIRUS".
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I asked you a question. How is that saying you are wrong? What part about my son working on a military base telling me masks are required did I read online?
Since you brought up reading information on line and since it is unlikely I will visit these military sites, I am going to go with what they've published.
This Fort Bliss bulletin was updated on September 20, 2021 and originally published last July.
https://home.army.mil/bliss/index.php/my-fort/Bliss-Bulletin
Highlights from the bulletin:
*All personnel on the Fort Bliss Military Reservation must wear a professional face covering, approved by the CDC, while inside any installation facility or government vehicle. Exceptions to installation facilities are a service member’s residence or barracks room. See below for more details:
*All Service Members, Federal Employees, onsite contractor employees, and visitors – regardless of vaccination status – must wear appropriate face coverings inside all public and work facilities as well as government vehicles on Fort Bliss.
*While visiting private residences on Fort Bliss unvaccinated personnel must wear face coverings and take the appropriate precautionary measures both indoors and outdoors.
*Exceptions to the requirement to wear face coverings:
*When an individual is alone in an office with floor-to-ceiling walls with a closed door.
*For brief periods of time when eating and drinking while maintaining distancing in accordance with CDC guidance and instructions from commanders and supervisors.
*When the mask is required to be lowered briefly for identification or security purposes.
*When necessary to reasonably accommodate an individual with a disability.
*Children under two years of age should not wear face coverings.
My son-in-law was stationed at Fort Bliss prior to his retirement 6 years ago. Maybe the command has become more lax since then. I was under the impression they went by the rules based on things he talked about. A lot can change in 6 years....although the military is know for it's many rules and guidelines.
The White Sands Missile Range document is dated July 29, 2021.
(https://www.wsmr.army.mil/coronavirus/PublishingImages/ufmg.jpg)
HAFB COVID-19 FAQs is dated July 30, 2021
https://www.holloman.af.mil/Portals/101/HAFB%20COVID%20questions%20dependents%20retirees%20visitors%2030%20July%2021.pdf
excerpt:
A1: Effective Monday, August 2, 2021, all service members, federal employees, contractors, visitors
and dependents, regardless of vaccination status, are required to wear a mask indoors (except in
designated Mask Not Required areas.) This is in accordance with current DoD policy. The Installation
Commander will assess updated COVID-19 rates for the local and base community to determine
future guidance. This mask policy will remain in effect until further notice.
no mask mandates in Congress
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/375/text
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From the ground, Western Australia, speaking just for myself:
As of Jan 1, I will be unable to continue to make a living as a contractor in the construction industry under penalty of $100,000 fine per infraction (being caught working while unvaccinated). I'll try to earn income another way, but very nearly every job/ contract position will be contingent upon vaccination. I won't even be able to pick fruit for minimum wage.
I'm currently exploring ways that I can legally make a living so that I can buy food, not lose my house, and generally sustain life. Most avenues will be closed. I speculate all will be closed eventually, passports to be made universal, and schoolkids to be put under mandate, but we'll see what happens.
None of this addresses my concerns about vaccine safety, efficacy, or medical necessity. I would prefer data and discussion, but that time appears to be past. These mandates don't provide me with any new information except that life will become difficult. I'm fearful of that, but fear of unpleasant consequences isn't a rational reason to change my mind. If the coercion is manifested and visited upon me with enough ferocity and duration, and I find that I really can't go on despite my best efforts, then I'll conclude force has been effectively applied and capitulate. Just the threat of it, however, isn't enough to convince me. Bring a sufficient quantity of pain. I'm sure there's an amount that will work. I'm just not sure how much it is.
Or preferably, bring the information, the rational discussion, and the latitude for choice. But, like I said, seems that's something from a bygone time. I intend to continue to be a law abiding person and a good man, insofar as I'm capable with my inherent limitations.
I've got an awful feeling I'm going to have to find out what I'm made of. Damn. I was really looking forward to not being miserable. But ok. Here we go.
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Sometimes you just have to go along to get along.
No way around it.
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From the ground, Western Australia, speaking just for myself:
As of Jan 1, I will be unable to continue to make a living as a contractor in the construction industry under penalty of $100,000 fine per infraction (being caught working while unvaccinated). I'll try to earn income another way, but very nearly every job/ contract position will be contingent upon vaccination. I won't even be able to pick fruit for minimum wage.
I'm currently exploring ways that I can legally make a living so that I can buy food, not lose my house, and generally sustain life. Most avenues will be closed. I speculate all will be closed eventually, passports to be made universal, and schoolkids to be put under mandate, but we'll see what happens.
None of this addresses my concerns about vaccine safety, efficacy, or medical necessity. I would prefer data and discussion, but that time appears to be past. These mandates don't provide me with any new information except that life will become difficult. I'm fearful of that, but fear of unpleasant consequences isn't a rational reason to change my mind. If the coercion is manifested and visited upon me with enough ferocity and duration, and I find that I really can't go on despite my best efforts, then I'll conclude force has been effectively applied and capitulate. Just the threat of it, however, isn't enough to convince me. Bring a sufficient quantity of pain. I'm sure there's an amount that will work. I'm just not sure how much it is.
Or preferably, bring the information, the rational discussion, and the latitude for choice. But, like I said, seems that's something from a bygone time. I intend to continue to be a law abiding person and a good man, insofar as I'm capable with my inherent limitations.
I've got an awful feeling I'm going to have to find out what I'm made of. Damn. I was really looking forward to not being miserable. But ok. Here we go.
Good luck man. Hope it works out.
Crazy how that's going on there.
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From the ground, Western Australia, speaking just for myself:
As of Jan 1, I will be unable to continue to make a living as a contractor in the construction industry under penalty of $100,000 fine per infraction (being caught working while unvaccinated). I'll try to earn income another way, but very nearly every job/ contract position will be contingent upon vaccination. I won't even be able to pick fruit for minimum wage.
I'm currently exploring ways that I can legally make a living so that I can buy food, not lose my house, and generally sustain life. Most avenues will be closed. I speculate all will be closed eventually, passports to be made universal, and schoolkids to be put under mandate, but we'll see what happens.
None of this addresses my concerns about vaccine safety, efficacy, or medical necessity. I would prefer data and discussion, but that time appears to be past. These mandates don't provide me with any new information except that life will become difficult. I'm fearful of that, but fear of unpleasant consequences isn't a rational reason to change my mind. If the coercion is manifested and visited upon me with enough ferocity and duration, and I find that I really can't go on despite my best efforts, then I'll conclude force has been effectively applied and capitulate. Just the threat of it, however, isn't enough to convince me. Bring a sufficient quantity of pain. I'm sure there's an amount that will work. I'm just not sure how much it is.
Or preferably, bring the information, the rational discussion, and the latitude for choice. But, like I said, seems that's something from a bygone time. I intend to continue to be a law abiding person and a good man, insofar as I'm capable with my inherent limitations.
I've got an awful feeling I'm going to have to find out what I'm made of. Damn. I was really looking forward to not being miserable. But ok. Here we go.
better to die on your feet than live on your knees
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From the ground, Western Australia, speaking just for myself:
As of Jan 1, I will be unable to continue to make a living as a contractor in the construction industry under penalty of $100,000 fine per infraction (being caught working while unvaccinated). I'll try to earn income another way, but very nearly every job/ contract position will be contingent upon vaccination. I won't even be able to pick fruit for minimum wage.
I'm currently exploring ways that I can legally make a living so that I can buy food, not lose my house, and generally sustain life. Most avenues will be closed. I speculate all will be closed eventually, passports to be made universal, and schoolkids to be put under mandate, but we'll see what happens.
None of this addresses my concerns about vaccine safety, efficacy, or medical necessity. I would prefer data and discussion, but that time appears to be past. These mandates don't provide me with any new information except that life will become difficult. I'm fearful of that, but fear of unpleasant consequences isn't a rational reason to change my mind. If the coercion is manifested and visited upon me with enough ferocity and duration, and I find that I really can't go on despite my best efforts, then I'll conclude force has been effectively applied and capitulate. Just the threat of it, however, isn't enough to convince me. Bring a sufficient quantity of pain. I'm sure there's an amount that will work. I'm just not sure how much it is.
Or preferably, bring the information, the rational discussion, and the latitude for choice. But, like I said, seems that's something from a bygone time. I intend to continue to be a law abiding person and a good man, insofar as I'm capable with my inherent limitations.
I've got an awful feeling I'm going to have to find out what I'm made of. Damn. I was really looking forward to not being miserable. But ok. Here we go.
Nope.
I don't feel sorry for you one bit.
You want to ignore medical experts and put innocent people at risk....there should be consequences.
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From the ground, Western Australia, speaking just for myself:
As of Jan 1, I will be unable to continue to make a living as a contractor in the construction industry under penalty of $100,000 fine per infraction (being caught working while unvaccinated). I'll try to earn income another way, but very nearly every job/ contract position will be contingent upon vaccination. I won't even be able to pick fruit for minimum wage.
I'm currently exploring ways that I can legally make a living so that I can buy food, not lose my house, and generally sustain life. Most avenues will be closed. I speculate all will be closed eventually, passports to be made universal, and schoolkids to be put under mandate, but we'll see what happens.
None of this addresses my concerns about vaccine safety, efficacy, or medical necessity. I would prefer data and discussion, but that time appears to be past. These mandates don't provide me with any new information except that life will become difficult. I'm fearful of that, but fear of unpleasant consequences isn't a rational reason to change my mind. If the coercion is manifested and visited upon me with enough ferocity and duration, and I find that I really can't go on despite my best efforts, then I'll conclude force has been effectively applied and capitulate. Just the threat of it, however, isn't enough to convince me. Bring a sufficient quantity of pain. I'm sure there's an amount that will work. I'm just not sure how much it is.
Or preferably, bring the information, the rational discussion, and the latitude for choice. But, like I said, seems that's something from a bygone time. I intend to continue to be a law abiding person and a good man, insofar as I'm capable with my inherent limitations.
I've got an awful feeling I'm going to have to find out what I'm made of. Damn. I was really looking forward to not being miserable. But ok. Here we go.
Good luck, you are a smart person and I wish you every success.
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Sometimes you just have to go along to get along.
No way around it.
What you advise is often true, and I'm sure it's well intentioned, my friend. But since I have no superseding obligations, like family, and the rip cord is available at any time, I'm willing to pay a few pounds of misery as the cost of admission to discover if this particular case is among the types you mention.
Good luck man. Hope it works out.
Crazy how that's going on there.
It's going on damn near everywhere. I don't see any brakes. Courts rubber stamp mandates. Legislators keep shoving them through since voices of dissent are ejected. Media can't permit balanced debate without being accused of platforming harmful voices. Momentum.
Idk what to do but hold fast until the witch hunt blows over, the world returns to sanity, and the Public Health Authority gets dethroned and they go back to inspecting kitchens for mouse poop.
Still glad my parents took the therapeutic. For me, I think risks outweigh benefits. But for children... don't get me started.
better to die on your feet than live on your knees
I've said it for years. The only thing missing on me is damn red cape.
Meh. Mowing lawns and cleaning gutters instead of doing drywall never killed anybody. I got a blackbelt in misery wrangling.
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Nope.
I don't feel sorry for you one bit.
You want to ignore medical experts and put innocent people at risk....there should be consequences.
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The vaccine stops the spread? No one gets harmed by the jab?
We're nowhere near the threshold of justification for mandates for this disastrously disappointing vaccine. Call it a Trump Vax if it'll help you sleep better when I say it just plain sucks.
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Good luck, you are a smart person and I wish you every success.
Thanks bro. Let me know if you need your dogs walked or washed. Super reasonable prices. I also wash cars and kill cockroaches. Trees chainsawed. Weeds pulled.
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Ditches dug, by hand or backhoe (landscaping purposes only, construction verboten by order of the Stasi). Crane truck service. Plaster and drywall artistry (artistic installations only, construction verboten by order of the Stasi). Wives massaged. Welding (fabrication verboten). Kangaroo jerky. Modeling (idk why gf thought funny). Alec Baldwin bodyguard (from, not for).
What if I akshually end up making more money and having more free time than when I did drywall? I'd be all errmuhgurd, arbeit really does macht frei. Thanks, Stasi!
West Australian Health Officer be like TaaaapeVUUURM!
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An enterprising vaccinated young man might get his ducks in a row to provide VaxButler Services, or even eatablish a network of the same. When my ilk are banned, and we're fucking legion, someone delivering things from shops we can't go into might just do ok. My idea tho. Send me 10%.
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The vaccine stops the spread? No one gets harmed by the jab?
We're nowhere near the threshold of justification for mandates for this disastrously disappointing vaccine. Call it a Trump Vax if it'll help you sleep better when I say it just plain sucks.
All kidding aside.
Why don’t you just get the vaccine instead of ruining your life?
Are you sacred of the vaccine? Are you trying to prove a point?
Not trolling here. Just trying to understand.
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It's going on damn near everywhere. I don't see any brakes. Courts rubber stamp mandates. Legislators keep shoving them through since voices of dissent are ejected. Media can't permit balanced debate without being accused of platforming harmful voices. Momentum.
Idk what to do but hold fast until the witch hunt blows over, the world returns to sanity, and the Public Health Authority gets dethroned and they go back to inspecting kitchens for mouse poop.
Still glad my parents took the therapeutic. For me, I think risks outweigh benefits. But for children... don't get me started.
The issue is that there's never an honest discussion. Natural immunity is ignored, until it can't be, then the excuse is "we don't know how long it lasts".....as if that stopped them from defending the vaccine. Obesity/age/underlying conditions are all ignored. Promoting health is ignored. Explaining why this is good for kids is ignored in the face of overwhelming data suggesting otherwise.
It's all so disingenuous, and their COULD be a happy medium with honest discussion.
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All kidding aside.
Why don’t you just get the vaccine instead of ruining your life?
Are you sacred of the vaccine? Are you trying to prove a point?
Not trolling here. Just trying to understand.
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some people have moral substance
You wouldnt understand
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some people have moral substance
You wouldnt understand
I know something that you don’t understand…the definition of “virus”.
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The issue is that there's never an honest discussion. Natural immunity is ignored, until it can't be, then the excuse is "we don't know how long it lasts".....as if that stopped them from defending the virus. Obesity/age/underlying conditions are all ignored. Promoting health is ignored. Explaining why this is good for kids is ignored in the face of overwhelming data suggesting otherwise.
It's all so disingenuous, and their COULD be a happy medium with honest discussion.
None of what you are saying is true.
All of the points that you’ve brought up have been studied and discussed by experts for quite some time now.
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None of what you are saying is true.
All of the points that you’ve brought up have been studied and discussed by experts for quite some time now.
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you writing that isnt evidence...
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you writing that isnt evidence...
Lol, I guess he responded?
Have him on ignore, once it became obvious what he was.
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Lol, I guess he responded?
Have him on ignore, once it became obvious what he was.
Great job of not responding!
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you writing that isnt evidence...
Hey! Why don’t you give me a lecture on what evidence is…just like the one you gave me about what “viruses “ are.
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Lol, I guess he responded?
Have him on ignore, once it became obvious what he was.
Me too now
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From the ground, Western Australia, speaking just for myself:
As of Jan 1, I will be unable to continue to make a living as a contractor in the construction industry under penalty of $100,000 fine per infraction (being caught working while unvaccinated). I'll try to earn income another way, but very nearly every job/ contract position will be contingent upon vaccination. I won't even be able to pick fruit for minimum wage.
I'm currently exploring ways that I can legally make a living so that I can buy food, not lose my house, and generally sustain life. Most avenues will be closed. I speculate all will be closed eventually, passports to be made universal, and schoolkids to be put under mandate, but we'll see what happens.
None of this addresses my concerns about vaccine safety, efficacy, or medical necessity. I would prefer data and discussion, but that time appears to be past. These mandates don't provide me with any new information except that life will become difficult. I'm fearful of that, but fear of unpleasant consequences isn't a rational reason to change my mind. If the coercion is manifested and visited upon me with enough ferocity and duration, and I find that I really can't go on despite my best efforts, then I'll conclude force has been effectively applied and capitulate. Just the threat of it, however, isn't enough to convince me. Bring a sufficient quantity of pain. I'm sure there's an amount that will work. I'm just not sure how much it is.
Or preferably, bring the information, the rational discussion, and the latitude for choice. But, like I said, seems that's something from a bygone time. I intend to continue to be a law abiding person and a good man, insofar as I'm capable with my inherent limitations.
I've got an awful feeling I'm going to have to find out what I'm made of. Damn. I was really looking forward to not being miserable. But ok. Here we go.
Few questions...
Are you originally from Australia? Did you migrate there from another country?
I agree that vaccine mandates go against basic human rights. The approach they are using is, "The vaccines aren't mandated, but if you fail to get them you won't be able to have a job or partake in any of the basic freedoms that allow you to take part in the shared existence of humanity". This is a forced approach, as noncompliance essentially turns you into a pariah. If you have a family (wife, husband, kids etc) and you can't make money to house and feed them, that changes circumstances. Before allowing a child to go hungry, I'm sure you'll take a bullet.
Are there any medical or religious exemptions you can apply for? Are there any other ways around this mandate that you can foresee?
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OMR, are you vaccinated? (if you don't mind revealing this publicly)
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OMR, are you vaccinated? (if you don't mind revealing this publicly)
No sir.
Fortunately, my line of work doesn't require it. I am an accountant serving small to medium sized businesses. Most of my clients have been with me for decades now and they are older (50+ years of age). I do the bulk of my work from home with the exception of a few mon-&-pop businesses that like to see me in person every quarter to discuss new inventory purchases or capital assets. The gym I go to is VERY laxed in terms of vaccination status. The restaurants I go to are mostly owned by old friends that have known me for decades (no issues with access there). Pharmacies and Supermarkets aren't checking vaccine status. Clothing stores aren't checking vaccine status (even though I get much of my clothes online). I also have a religious exemption (which I use where capable & warranted).
I am not against vaccination. If you want to get the vaccine, you should. I am against a vaccine mandate. I do not believe in anything being forced onto humanity. I've read the science and have spent a generous amount of time debating whether I will eventually get the vaccine. For now, as a healthy man with no major comorbidities, I am choosing to not get it. Aside from arthritic pains, I am in great shape (BMI), have no medical issues I take medications for and follow a very strict diet. Most importantly, I already had COVID and have evidence of antibodies for it. If I already had COVID and recovered from it after 3 days, why would I get a vaccine against something my body was able to fight off with relatively ease and I now have immunity against?
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OMR, are you vaccinated? (if you don't mind revealing this publicly)
Not sure, but I think we can safely say he's had some injections.
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Not sure, but I think we can safely say he's had some injections.
Mostly seminal fluid proteins for overall improved vigor.
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No sir.
Fortunately, my line of work doesn't require it. I am an accountant serving small to medium sized businesses. Most of my clients have been with me for decades now and they are older (50+ years of age). I do the bulk of my work from home with the exception of a few mon-&-pop businesses that like to see me in person every quarter to discuss new inventory purchases or capital assets. The gym I go to is VERY laxed in terms of vaccination status. The restaurants I go to are mostly owned by old friends that have known me for decades (no issues with access there). Pharmacies and Supermarkets aren't checking vaccine status. Clothing stores aren't checking vaccine status (even though I get much of my clothes online). I also have a religious exemption (which I use where capable & warranted).
I am not against vaccination. If you want to get the vaccine, you should. I am against a vaccine mandate. I do not believe in anything being forced onto humanity. I've read the science and have spent a generous amount of time debating whether I will eventually get the vaccine. For now, as a healthy man with no major comorbidities, I am choosing to not get it. Aside from arthritic pains, I am in great shape (BMI), have no medical issues I take medications for and follow a very strict diet. Most importantly, I already had COVID and have evidence of antibodies for it. If I already had COVID and recovered from it after 3 days, why would I get a vaccine against something my body was able to fight off with relatively ease and I now have immunity against?
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Thanks for answering. Was just curious since you are universally respected on here for many reasons including good judgment.
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All kidding aside.
Why don’t you just get the vaccine instead of ruining your life?
Are you sacred of the vaccine? Are you trying to prove a point?
Not trolling here. Just trying to understand.
🤷♂️
In a nutshell, my gf personally witnessed six adverse events including two heart attacks and a stroke within days of vaccine administration. Another woman in my very small town is dead, severe headaches began the day after Pfizer, died within a week. I conclude that the official data, citing one in millions, is inaccurate.
Efficacy is crap vs Delta and it's gonna get worse, maybe to the point of ADE (but I speculate). Highly vaccinated countries continue to have problems. Bad commercial.
It's an embarrassment. To Trump. To Biden. To science. Spike protein portion synthesis to produce antibodies is looking increasingly like the wrong approach altogether. Delta keeps spreading among the vaccinated. 'Still helps tho' is long way from my definition of effective. Like, if I get vaccinated for polio I can't catch polio and I can't spread polio. That's a vaccine. This thing is a therapeutic, and a risky one at that imo. They need to go back to the drawing board.
Lastly, there's no covid in Western Australia. Zero. And the border is staying closed until at least the new year. So why would I not let more data accrue? Even if I judged it safe and efficacious, which I don't, there's no medical reason to run out and get it. Ain't no covid here.
And I don't believe it's a pandemic of the unvaccinated. It's a pandemic of the unfit. But Boss Man Joe can't be at the podium quothin' "Yo you fuckin diabeetus lardasses! Keto! Nao!"
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Thanks for answering. Was just curious since you are universally respected on here for many reasons including good judgment.
Thank you for your vote of confidence.
My personal view is that if the vaccine doesn't stop you from:
- Getting COVID
- Spreading COVID
- Getting sick or dying from COVID
....then why is it being pushed so aggressively onto us?
I know (based on what science suggests) that it's supposed to ameliorate the effects of COVID once you contract it, but we also have immune systems that can help us with that.
So, my view is that if you are healthy and relatively young, you shouldn't be forced to take it and should instead have a choice in the matter.
If you are older (65+) or are very sickly (many comorbidities: Heart disease, Diabetes, Obesity, Pulmonary disorders etc) or are both older and sickly, then it is likely not a terrible idea. I say "likely" not a terrible idea, as I have no clue what long-term effects the use of this vaccine can bring. None of us have any idea. So when they push the notion that billions of people have been vaccinated so it clearly must be safe, we are taking about an experimental phase that has been conducted for just under a year now (Pfizer vaccine was released on Dec. 11, 2020).
Ultimately, I am not against vaccination, but when anyone tries to force anything onto you, I completely turn the other way. If we are given a choice, all is well. It's when we are forced to do something that it points to the potential of something sinister occurring behind the veil.
By the way, NOTHING I share should be construed as medical advice. I am not a doctor or researcher or anything of the sort. I am just like everyone else here.
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In a nutshell, my gf personally witnessed six adverse events including two heart attacks and a stroke within days of vaccine administration. Another woman in my very small town is dead, severe headaches began the day after Pfizer, died within a week. I conclude that the official data, citing one in millions, is inaccurate.
Efficacy is crap vs Delta and it's gonna get worse, maybe to the point of ADE (but I speculate). Highly vaccinated countries continue to have problems. Bad commercial.
It's an embarrassment. To Trump. To Biden. To science. Spike protein portion synthesis to produce antibodies is looking increasingly like the wrong approach altogether. Delta keeps spreading among the vaccinated. 'Still helps tho' is long way from my definition of effective. Like, if I get vaccinated for polio I can't catch polio and I can't spread polio. That's a vaccine. This thing is a therapeutic, and a risky one at that imo. They need to go back to the drawing board.
Lastly, there's no covid in Western Australia. Zero. And the border is staying closed until at least the new year. So why would I not let more data accrue? Even if I judged it safe and efficacious, which I don't, there's no medical reason to run out and get it. Ain't no covid here.
And I don't believe it's a pandemic of the unvaccinated. It's a pandemic of the unfit. But Boss Man Joe can't be at the podium quothin' "Yo you fuckin diabeetus lardasses! Keto! Nao!"
Thank you for your honest response.
I apologize for RAZZING you earlier.
What sucks the most about COVID is how much it divides people.
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Few questions...
Are you originally from Australia? Did you migrate there from another country?
I agree that vaccine mandates go against basic human rights. The approach they are using is, "The vaccines aren't mandated, but if you fail to get them you won't be able to have a job or partake in any of the basic freedoms that allow you to take part in the shared existence of humanity". This is a forced approach, as noncompliance essentially turns you into a pariah. If you have a family (wife, husband, kids etc) and you can't make money to house and feed them, that changes circumstances. Before allowing a child to go hungry, I'm sure you'll take a bullet.
Are there any medical or religious exemptions you can apply for? Are there any other ways around this mandate that you can foresee?
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Born in Wisconsin but grew up in New Jersey. I'm from a suburb of Princeton. Nice Jersey. Not the rough parts.
Been here since late 99. Great country. I'll never be one of them but the people are generally really great. It's kinda breaking my heart to see the government doing this to them.
The permitted exemptions are hilarious. They're online of you care to look. Basically, you can have a temporary exemption if you are currently sick with covid, but you'll have to get vaccinated once you recover. The only permanent exemption is for the second shot if you experience anaphylaxis and almost die from the first, lol. Swear to god, it's in print on the wa government site.
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Born in Wisconsin but grew up in New Jersey. I'm from a suburb of Princeton. Nice Jersey. Not the rough parts.
Been here since late 99. Great country. I'll never be one of them but the people are generally really great. It's kinda breaking my heart to see the government doing this to them.
The permitted exemptions are hilarious. They're online of you care to look. Basically, you can have a temporary exemption if you are currently sick with covid, but you'll have to get vaccinated once you recover. The only permanent exemption is for the second shot if you experience anaphylaxis and almost die from the first, lol. Swear to god, it's in print on the wa government site.
Would you ever consider coming home or are you worried that sooner or later the USA will fall the way that Australia has?
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Thank you for your honest response.
I apologize for RAZZING you earlier.
What sucks the most about COVID is how much it divides people.
No blood, no foul.
Honestly, my decision remains a work in progress, but it'll take a lot to get me to ignore what my gf saw happen. In the event of an outbreak, I'm gonna go back into the gas mask and alcohol my hands constantly. I don't want to get sick. I don't want to get anyone else sick.
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No blood, no foul.
Honestly, my decision remains a work in progress, but it'll take a lot to get me to ignore what my gf saw happen. In the event of an outbreak, I'm gonna go back into the gas mask and alcohol my hands constantly. I don't want to get sick. I don't want to get anyone else sick.
Good luck.
Sure challenging times for everyone now.
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Would you ever consider coming home or are you worried that sooner or later the USA will fall the way that Australia has?
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Hard question. I've been thinking and thinking on it. I'm inclined to give them the benefit of time and a chance to come to their senses here. Idk if that'll see me placed in a cattle car, however.
If they get silly and stay that way, I'd probably be asking how much I really want to live under a totalitarian government. If it's a temporary madness, however, I'd stick around.
I'd also be looking at the viability of the US. Looking pretty shaky back home too, tbh.
Also wonder if asking where life is best for me is even the right question to ask. Maybe I'm an idiot but I want to behave in a way that I'd be proud to tell someone about later, even if it's just me when I come to die. Not to get all heavy or anything, lol.
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No blood, no foul.
Honestly, my decision remains a work in progress, but it'll take a lot to get me to ignore what my gf saw happen. In the event of an outbreak, I'm gonna go back into the gas mask and alcohol my hands constantly. I don't want to get sick. I don't want to get anyone else sick.
Nothing but 100% respect for this post.
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Nothing but 100% respect for this post.
Thanks man. I'm still hoping a solution will turn up and we all go on Big Ron's party bus. Calling designated drinker.
Grape, I gotta crash tonight. Will send you a pm tomorrow.
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Maybe I'm an idiot but I want to behave in a way that I'd be proud to tell someone about later, even if it's just me when I come to die. Not to get all heavy or anything, lol.
To me this is of utmost importance.
Live life on your terms. To bend to the will of anyone is unacceptable (cue Grape Ape to drop a joke). These events could very well go down as a turning point for humanity. What side of the line you stand on can have serious ramifications towards your life. I honor people like you. Your actions are honorable and are what I believe humanity should strive towards (ie the pursuit of freedom).
When we reach a point that governments no longer work for the people, but instead require people bend to their will and work for them, that's the point of no return. Either people come together or they shall perish.
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I asked you a question. How is that saying you are wrong? What part about my son working on a military base telling me masks are required did I read online?
I knew you would do this. ;D
They don't wear them.
Nobody requires it.
The only place they wear them is at the check-in booth at the front gate. Once on-site it is not enforced.
Just a few weeks ago as WSMR i was at a desk with 12 other people in the maintenance building. Nobody had a mask on.
I've been through multiple buildings and was never asked to wear a mask.
Some people do.
The Queen of NM has mandated masks indoors again. I walk into places every single day with no mask and nobody says anything.
I'm not saying you're wrong, i'm just saying that what you read online versus what happens in the real world is not the same.
You proved my point though, so thank you.
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Australia hasn't been a country for almost two years now. States can close borders and most are shut at the moment. The dopey governments have put all their eggs in one basket, vaccinations. Or the jab, because there is no Covid vaccine. The media are 100% behind the mass get the jab campaign. The people here are so complacent that they believe crap that freedoms are being granted when jab rates are over 80%. The unjabbed will have to wait. The governments won't mandate getting the jab but many businesses and organizations are doing their dirty work. Science has been put in the garbage can and our health is dictated by overseas interests such as WHO and CDC. When commercial interests are involved we can expect more shit in the future. The pharmaceutical companies shouldn't have a say in policies but they apply influence indirectly. We won't be out of this mess for at least a year.
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QANTAS CEO , Irish poofter Alan Joyce was the 1st in AU who sugested 'WAXXED passports' for all travelers !.
But who is behind him ?.