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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #50 on: November 23, 2005, 10:20:28 AM »
Dude,you have the nerv to talk shit ,after seeing you pics you need to humble yourself,and learn some respect.
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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #51 on: November 27, 2005, 12:37:52 AM »
Quote from: 21Guns on November 23, 2005, 10:20:28 AM
Dude,you have the nerv to talk shit ,after seeing you pics you need to humble yourself,and learn some respect.

The guy has a good squat though. He claims 405 lbs for 20 reps and 500 lbs for 5.

Anyone who's put up those kinds of numbers as a life time natural, can thrash talk IMO.

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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #52 on: November 27, 2005, 03:45:14 AM »
Quote from: Hedgehog on November 27, 2005, 12:37:52 AM
The guy has a good squat though. He claims 405 lbs for 20 reps and 500 lbs for 5.

Anyone who's put up those kinds of numbers as a life time natural, can thrash talk IMO.

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hmmm zack
cmon now...
405 for 20 reps.... yet 500 only for 5..
i know he might be ur bredrin and all.. but...
please...
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405 for 20 seems very dubious...
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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #53 on: November 28, 2005, 06:49:16 AM »
Quote from: mesmorph78 on November 27, 2005, 03:45:14 AM
hmmm zack
cmon now...
405 for 20 reps.... yet 500 only for 5..
i know he might be ur bredrin and all.. but...
please...
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405 for 20 seems very dubious...


Sorry mes, I mixed up the lifts of 240. As you see in the quoted text below, he's done 455 for 5 reps. Not 500 for 5...

To get a good idea of the feat 240 has done, we got a guy in my powerlifting club who squats 600 lbs raw, belt only. I doubt he's able to do 405 lbs for 20 reps though.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=32073.msg500661#msg500661

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yes, you have greater genetic potential? THis is probably true. We all have different starting lines. Mine were 11 inches at age 23, at 120 pounds. THis is a fact. The pics show it lol... they're very very thin. Just genetics. My whole family is like that. I coudn;t bench 100 or squat 150. I was all bone.

Now, 5 years later, I can squat 455 for 5 parallel reps, I can Deadlift 385 for 8 reps, and bench 275 for 2 reps.

I see your point muscleboy, and i also see the point of others who say i should cut down to 175 then move back up. My arms are still small- I've only been training them for 5 months now. Before that it was all compound movements, so they lag greatly. SO, what I'm currently doing, is lifting heavier than ever, cutting all cheat food but eating enough calories, and figuring it out...

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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #54 on: November 28, 2005, 07:04:59 AM »
well, I was 220 at the time, all i did was power movements. had knee wraps and belt on.  And it was more of, exploding up, than proper squatting.

Now that I use proper form, I go lighter.  In order for me to squat that much with horrible shaky form and execution I wasn't doing much for legs.

I don't know if it makes sense... but when you do squats, do you press up with your arms too?  When I do them now, I let the weight sit on my upper back and let me legs do the work, slowly.  Back then, to get the weight up, I'd push with my arms while lifting with my legs, violent and shaky.  Not sure if it makes sense.  in retrospect, squatting that much with that kinda form was stupid and I wouldn't recommend it.

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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #55 on: November 28, 2005, 09:40:52 PM »
Quote from: MUVIRSE on November 28, 2005, 01:03:57 PM
Pushing up wouldnt do anything unless you were just doing 2 plates or so on each side, I doubt that most people can shoulder press that much weight and even if you could it wouldnt effect the difficulty of the squat in the legs... you would still have to go down and up. If you were doing 400 or w e all pushing up will do is make ur triceps and shoulder tried, maybe relieve a lil off ur upper back/neck.

you're not seeing it.  my back, shoulders, and arms were able to take maybe 100 off the leg part.  See what I mean?  It was jolting and in retrospect, not safe. but I did move that much weight to parallel. honest.  Just not safely.   
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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #56 on: November 28, 2005, 10:23:59 PM »
Quote from: MUVIRSE on November 28, 2005, 10:01:01 PM
Unless you were throwing the the bar and the weights up in the air as you were going up and then catching it as you went down you would still be squatting the same amount through out the movement LOL

I know it sounds weird... but try it.  Put an easy 135 on your shoulders.  Do a few reps using ONLY your legs to move your body.  Then do a few using your arms/shoulders to help redistribute the weight as you explode up.  It does help make the weight easier. I learned this little trip early on and it allowed me to explode the reps up.
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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #57 on: November 28, 2005, 11:17:08 PM »
I think it has to do with energy displacement or leverage, etc. Like, I was able to shift part of the weight, however slight, for a fraction of a second which moved load from my thighs to back, etc.

I could be wrong, but I'd like to hear an expert's take on this.  I know for a fact I can squat more with upper body "ruckus" than with proper form.
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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #58 on: November 28, 2005, 11:51:54 PM »
Quote from: 240 or bust on November 28, 2005, 07:04:59 AM
well, I was 220 at the time, all i did was power movements. had knee wraps and belt on.  And it was more of, exploding up, than proper squatting.

Now that I use proper form, I go lighter.  In order for me to squat that much with horrible shaky form and execution I wasn't doing much for legs.

I don't know if it makes sense... but when you do squats, do you press up with your arms too?  When I do them now, I let the weight sit on my upper back and let me legs do the work, slowly.  Back then, to get the weight up, I'd push with my arms while lifting with my legs, violent and shaky.  Not sure if it makes sense.  in retrospect, squatting that much with that kinda form was stupid and I wouldn't recommend it.



Post a pic of the knee wraps.

If you ever been squatting 405 lbs, I doubt you've exploded it up.

Unless of course, you're Shane Hamman. And you're not.

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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #59 on: November 29, 2005, 02:09:34 PM »
nonetheless
455 for 5
is a good lift
specially for a natural guy
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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #60 on: November 29, 2005, 03:04:22 PM »
Quote from: mesmorph78 on November 29, 2005, 02:09:34 PM
nonetheless
455 for 5
is a good lift
specially for a natural guy

He claims 405lbs for 20 reps. And 455lbs for 5...

Quote from: 240 or bust on May 08, 2005, 04:17:34 PM
I don't do the seated kind with the barbell, as I usually train alone. I do standing Barbell clean and press with up to 155 times 8 reps. Seated smith machine, I get up to 2 45s on each side.

I do flat benches with 90 pound dubmmells regularly for 10 reps. Only done the 100s a few times when I had a spotter.  I don't usually use DBs for incline presses since it's a long way down to drop em and get em up. I do incline hammer and bench for upper chest.

240 claims to have used knee wraps when lifting 405 for 20.

Quote from: Havenbull on June 19, 2005, 09:32:26 AM
Use kneewraps, they reduce hydrostatic pressure.  Makes it easier and safer to squat while still working your leg muscles with the same force.
Quote from: 240 or bust on June 19, 2005, 09:44:53 AM
how tight should i make them?

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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #61 on: November 30, 2005, 02:49:14 PM »
hmmm 405 for 20....
proper squats.... to parallel..
doubtful of that one...
but i wont trash his lift...
if he has done 405 for 20.. great but...
hmmm
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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #62 on: December 03, 2005, 08:04:44 PM »
Quote from: 240 or bust on November 28, 2005, 07:04:59 AM


I don't know if it makes sense... but when you do squats, do you press up with your arms too?


No. squats areren't an arm movement.
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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #63 on: December 20, 2005, 06:48:17 PM »
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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #64 on: December 20, 2005, 07:19:38 PM »
Quote from: michael arvilla on December 20, 2005, 06:48:17 PM
bump!

glad to hear that mainlining ibuprofin hasn't killed ya yet, mikey!
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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #65 on: December 20, 2005, 07:31:52 PM »
Quote from: Hedgehog on November 29, 2005, 03:04:22 PM
He claims 405lbs for 20 reps. And 455lbs for 5...

240 claims to have used knee wraps when lifting 405 for 20.

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sounds like somebody is lying :o
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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #66 on: December 20, 2005, 07:38:15 PM »
Quote from: jdoug on December 20, 2005, 07:31:52 PM
sounds like somebody is lying :o

Sounds like someone is about as smart as a shoebox full of shit.
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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #67 on: December 20, 2005, 08:25:43 PM »
Quote from: 240 is Back on December 20, 2005, 07:19:38 PM
glad to hear that mainlining ibuprofin hasn't killed ya yet, mikey!
  hhahahah!!  it was "touch and go for awhile there

   would nubain be any better?
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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #68 on: December 20, 2005, 08:49:31 PM »
Quote from: FroZZoR on December 20, 2005, 08:45:08 PM
Is there no more love between Arvy and 240?

What have I missed?

           240 crossed the line when he posted my great grandmothers cell phone #
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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #69 on: December 20, 2005, 08:58:40 PM »
frozz some guy called me and wanted ur phone #
some bullcrap about wanting me/you to do a show (they pay all entry fees,free product ..protien powder etc,prolly gotta do 1 of those before and after pics also,some new magazine "american muscle something.......)


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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #70 on: December 20, 2005, 09:13:38 PM »
Quote from: michael arvilla on December 20, 2005, 08:25:43 PM
  hhahahah!!  it was "touch and go for awhile there

   would nubain be any better?

You need some blood in your Advilstream, man!


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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #71 on: December 20, 2005, 09:14:49 PM »
Quote from: FroZZoR on December 20, 2005, 08:45:08 PM
Is there no more love between Arvy and 240?

What have I missed?

Let's just say Rob got his cardio this week doing the Ladies Man shuffle out the apartment window when mikey came home early from the ER!

If he hadn't been pulling that dialysis machine, he just might have caught me!

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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #72 on: December 20, 2005, 09:22:58 PM »
Quote from: FroZZoR on December 20, 2005, 09:13:02 PM
lol.

Serious or joking?  ???  ;D

dead serious


                        prolly have to say you used x y or z product and thats what got us into "contest shape"

 pm me for the guys number
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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #73 on: December 20, 2005, 09:24:27 PM »
Quote from: michael arvilla on December 20, 2005, 09:22:58 PM
dead serious


                        prolly have to say you used x y or z product and thats what got us into "contest shape"

 pm me for the guys number


I just read Big G Man was looking for a manwhore.

I'm sure the two have NOTHING to do with one of each other.

Yes. I'm sure of it. Nothing.
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Re: 240: Keep leaning, or add muscle?
« Reply #74 on: December 21, 2005, 01:23:58 PM »
Arvilla your great grandmother has more defined pecs than you and more size on her legs.
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