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Re: Random Bodybuilding Pics
« Reply #18800 on: September 28, 2019, 07:04:22 AM »
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Re: Random Bodybuilding Pics
« Reply #18801 on: September 28, 2019, 08:26:21 AM »
great muscle quality

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« Reply #18802 on: September 28, 2019, 01:23:08 PM »
IMO he was genetically superior to Arnold

Arnold was on the way out as Lou was getting started -

but dont forget bodybuilding is also a beauty contest - no one was going to beat the Wieder golden boy - sergio or lou or franco... zane, mentzer... not gonna happen

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« Reply #18803 on: September 28, 2019, 01:50:02 PM »
I think if Lou in his 20s had access to today’s drugs he’d smoke most of the BBs. IMO he was genetically superior to Arnold

wrong, todays drugs are shit compared to years ago

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Re: Random Bodybuilding Pics
« Reply #18804 on: September 28, 2019, 03:06:53 PM »
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Re: Random Bodybuilding Pics
« Reply #18805 on: September 28, 2019, 03:13:43 PM »
great muscle quality

agreed

i think the classic guys never became fat cows in the off season so maintaining BF for long periods of time makes the muscle quality better.

the compound effect kicks in

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Re: Random Bodybuilding Pics
« Reply #18806 on: September 28, 2019, 09:18:44 PM »
I think if Lou in his 20s had access to today’s drugs he’d smoke most of the BBs. IMO he was genetically superior to Arnold

Yes, I think Lou was one of most underrated bber. He just didn't have a strong and charismatic personality though he was genetically superior to Arnold. It was rare in those days for anybody over 6 feet to have decent quads. Arnold had the best overall leg development during that era but he had to work on it. His quads disappeared fast. Not with Lou, even at 6'5" his quads were never a weak spot. Can't say the same for his calves, but even Joe Weider told Arnold in PI that Lou was built just like him but taller. And he wasn't far off. Same type of build and structure with huge broad pecs and massive arms (though without Arnold's peak).

He was only 22 and 23 when he lost to Arnold at his very best. But I have no doubt that if he kept competing and improving he would have dominated bbing or many years to come.

Maybe not against Dorian but against Franco, Zane, Dickerson, Bannout -- forget about it.




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Re: Random Bodybuilding Pics
« Reply #18807 on: September 28, 2019, 09:25:49 PM »
wrong, todays drugs are shit compared to years ago


Exactly Right

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Re: Random Bodybuilding Pics
« Reply #18808 on: September 28, 2019, 09:36:49 PM »
wrong, todays drugs are shit compared to years ago


I hear this all the time. What do you base this on? How is 200 mg of Test Cypionate today worse or lower than 200 Test Cyp in the 70s? Has there been any lab analysis? BBers today are bigger and leaner than the bbers of the 70s. No one in the 70s could compete against the champs of the 1990s. While it's true that today's bbers in their quest for size have sacrificed aesthetics that's not because of low steroid quality. If anything, due to ease of testing and constant product evaluations on the various forums all over the net, black market gear is of much higher quality, in the sense that there are less fake and underdose products, than in the 90s and early 2000 when it was just a free for all fish market.

Although his physique would degrade as the years wore on, during his peak no one in the 70s came close to this. Forget about peak Ronnie.


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Re: Random Bodybuilding Pics
« Reply #18809 on: September 29, 2019, 04:08:59 AM »
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« Reply #18810 on: September 29, 2019, 05:10:01 AM »
I hear this all the time. What do you base this on? How is 200 mg of Test Cypionate today worse or lower than 200 Test Cyp in the 70s? Has there been any lab analysis? BBers today are bigger and leaner than the bbers of the 70s. No one in the 70s could compete against the champs of the 1990s. While it's true that today's bbers in their quest for size have sacrificed aesthetics that's not because of low steroid quality. If anything, due to ease of testing and constant product evaluations on the various forums all over the net, black market gear is of much higher quality, in the sense that there are less fake and underdose products, than in the 90s and early 2000 when it was just a free for all fish market.

Although his physique would degrade as the years wore on, during his peak no one in the 70s came close to this. Forget about peak Ronnie.



Bigger has nothing to do with the steroids, its teh growth and insulin
And bodybuilding condition peaked in the 90s, the only people to match that condition these days are the lighter guys

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Re: Random Bodybuilding Pics
« Reply #18811 on: September 29, 2019, 06:35:04 AM »
:)
Strydom
Dude had great genetics period from the front ,greatbber

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Re: Random Bodybuilding Pics
« Reply #18812 on: September 29, 2019, 06:46:51 AM »
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Re: Random Bodybuilding Pics
« Reply #18813 on: September 29, 2019, 08:32:10 AM »

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Re: Random Bodybuilding Pics
« Reply #18814 on: September 29, 2019, 08:38:48 AM »
Shame what happened to his physique

I think Haney was the last Olympia winner who got out unscathed

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Re: Random Bodybuilding Pics
« Reply #18815 on: September 29, 2019, 09:02:46 AM »
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Re: Random Bodybuilding Pics
« Reply #18816 on: September 29, 2019, 11:07:39 AM »
I hear this all the time. What do you base this on? How is 200 mg of Test Cypionate today worse or lower than 200 Test Cyp in the 70s? Has there been any lab analysis? BBers today are bigger and leaner than the bbers of the 70s. No one in the 70s could compete against the champs of the 1990s. While it's true that today's bbers in their quest for size have sacrificed aesthetics that's not because of low steroid quality. If anything, due to ease of testing and constant product evaluations on the various forums all over the net, black market gear is of much higher quality, in the sense that there are less fake and underdose products, than in the 90s and early 2000 when it was just a free for all fish market.

Although his physique would degrade as the years wore on, during his peak no one in the 70s came close to this. Forget about peak Ronnie.



That soft bloat would look like crap standing next to the bodybuilders of the 70's.

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Re: Random Bodybuilding Pics
« Reply #18817 on: September 29, 2019, 11:17:08 AM »
Looks like Oliva in 69

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Re: Random Bodybuilding Pics
« Reply #18818 on: September 29, 2019, 11:47:38 AM »
:)

looks happy there

(playing get big arm chair therapist) phil always looks miserable in his pics  - gotta enjoy it a bit more  ;D

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Re: Random Bodybuilding Pics
« Reply #18819 on: September 29, 2019, 05:56:22 PM »
Bigger has nothing to do with the steroids, its teh growth and insulin
And bodybuilding condition peaked in the 90s, the only people to match that condition these days are the lighter guys

Bigger has "nothing to do with steroids."

OK, now that we've established that you don't know what you are talking about is there anything else?

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Re: Random Bodybuilding Pics
« Reply #18820 on: September 30, 2019, 06:57:22 AM »
Perhaps the undergound labs use cruder techniques of manufacture compared to pharmaceutical companies. It might be the case that underground labs ,while producing drugs that contain the active ingredient,  often don't take the time and expense to remove undesirable or potentially harmful contaminants, impurities or by-products.


For instance, here is in an extract from CIBA's patent for an improvement the manufactue of  1-dehydro-17 oz-methyl-testosterone (dianabol) authored by Alfred Hunger and John Ziegler, from 1959.
The authors talk the presence of selenium impurities in the standard manufacture of the drug,highly undesirable in a pharmaceutical steroid, and how they have created a more efficient method, than the previous ones, for removing it.


"It has been found that 17a-methyl-testosterone can be converted in high yield to 1-dehydro-17 oz-methyl-testosterone, a highly active anabolic agent known under the generic name "methandrostenolone,'(dianabol) by treating the former with selenium oxide (or selenious acid) in the presence of a solvent or solvent mixture, such as, for example, a tertiary lower alkanol, e.g. tertiary amyl alcohol and the like, a lower alkane carboxylic acid, e.g. acetic acid and the like, or any other suitable solvent. Despite all the advantages of the dehydrogenation method of 17a methyl-testosterone with selenium oxide (or selenious acid), the residual amounts of selenium, particularly of organically bound selenium, contaminating the resulting crude 1-dehydro-17 Cz-methyl testosterone, represent a serious drawback of this dehydrogenation method.

In view of its use as a therapeutical agent, the final product has to be virtually free from impurities, such as organically bound selenium, in order to comply with the required degree of purity. Although a major part of the selenium impurities in the crude product may be removed, for example, by filtration, adsorption and elution, recrystallization methods and the like, a certain amount of these undesired by-products still remain as contaminants and cannot be eliminated by the above-mentioned conventional methods. This amount is invariably in excess of the quantity of selenium tolerated in pharmaceutical com positions by health authorities.

We have now found a simple and economical process for the removal of selenium impurities contaminating 1 dehydro-17 oz-methyl-testosterone obtained by dehydrogenating 17c-methyl-testosterone with selenium oxide or selenious acid, which comprises treating the crude 1 dehydro-17 cc-methyl-testosterone with hydrogen peroxide, separating the resulting acidic fraction from the neutral fraction, treating the neutral fraction with an adsorbent, and recovering the purified 1-dehydro-17a-methyl-testosterone. This procedure yields the desired 1-dehydro-17 oz methyl-testosterone virtually free from contaminating selenium impurities.

Surprisingly, the double bonds in the A-ring and/or the substituents attached to the 17-position of the 1-dehydro-17 oz-methyl-testosterone are not affected by the treatment with hydrogen peroxide, which is a strong oxidizing reagent; no degradation products are observed and the yields of pure material are excellent.

The crude 1-dehydro-17c-methyl-testosterone, which is obtained from the dehydrogenation of 17a-methyl-testosterone and is used as the starting material in the process of this invention, contains from about 1,000 to about 15,000 parts per million of organically bound selenium. Although a portion of this impurity may be removed by conventional methods, such as filtration of a solution of the crude product, adsorption on an adsorbent and subsequent elution, recrystallization and the like, such purification steps are not necessary prior to the process of the invention, and the crude material obtained from the de hydrogenation procedure can be used directly in the first step of the procedure of this invention."


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Re: Random Bodybuilding Pics
« Reply #18821 on: September 30, 2019, 07:16:06 AM »
Bigger has "nothing to do with steroids."

OK, now that we've established that you don't know what you are talking about is there anything else?
context dear boy...

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Re: Random Bodybuilding Pics
« Reply #18822 on: September 30, 2019, 10:27:43 AM »
6ft and 85k

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Re: Random Bodybuilding Pics
« Reply #18823 on: September 30, 2019, 11:40:22 AM »

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Re: Random Bodybuilding Pics
« Reply #18824 on: September 30, 2019, 12:08:32 PM »
what does 85k refer to?
85 kilos
187 pounds