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I can think of several good candidates.
Jake The Snake
Mr. Perfect
Million Dollar Man
You could make the argument that these guys were over already and did not need to be champion, but Million Dollar Man especially would have been a good champ IMO.
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Great choices, how do you top them?! How about.......
Davey Boy (i thought vader would drop it to him in WCW but never happened)
Owen Hart - great talent
Arn Anderson - stuck in Flair's shadow
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this guy
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Great choices, how do you top them?! How about.......
Davey Boy (i thought vader would drop it to him in WCW but never happened)
Owen Hart - great talent
Arn Anderson - stuck in Flair's shadow
Davey was supposedly in line to get the WCW belt, but those plans were scrapped pending the bar incident in which he "attacked" a young guy who harassed Diana.
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I always would have liked to have seen Andre have a lengthy title reign. Maybe Vonce never saw the need since the WM III program was a huge success, and Andre was having bigger health problems by that time.
Still, I wonder how Andre would have done as champ in the 70's.
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Also - and I may catch some shit for this, but I'm being honest - I've always believed that Owen Hart was a bit overrated. Yes, he was talented, but he didn't exactly do anything that plenty of other guys could do and/or have done. He was a good hand in the ring, but don't forget that he also seriously botched a spot with Austin that almost cut short Steve's ring career, and caused him a lot of lingering health problems.
I suspect a part of of Owen's glorification comes from his unfortunate and untimely passing.
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I can think of several good candidates.
Jake The Snake
Mr. Perfect
Million Dollar Man
You could make the argument that these guys were over already and did not need to be champion, but Million Dollar Man especially would have been a good champ IMO.
It sounded as if Hennig was headed in that direction, but his back problems and eventual WWF departure shot those plans up the ass.
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I agree in that Owen wasnt anything out of the ordinary but he was placed in storylines with an incredible amount of heat on him and i thought a title reign would have capped them. Why have him beat Bret at WM X only for Bret to later win the title and Owen to disappear? It wouldnt have been 100% fitting but to me it would have made sense to let him run with it for a month or 2 at that time.
A healthy Hennig would have been champion no doubt, but still wears that IC title better than anyone in history.
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I agree in that Owen wasnt anything out of the ordinary but he was placed in storylines with an incredible amount of heat on him and i thought a title reign would have capped them. Why have him beat Bret at WM X only for Bret to later win the title and Owen to disappear? It wouldnt have been 100% fitting but to me it would have made sense to let him run with it for a month or 2 at that time.
A healthy Hennig would have been champion no doubt, but still wears that IC title better than anyone in history.
According to Bret, Pat Patterson was a major factor in holding Owen back. Supposedly, Pat never thought Owen could carry a bigger ball, and Bret found this out incidentally years later.
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Curt wore the I-C belt the same way Flair wore the NWA title in regards to the prestige they brought to the belts. Both men looked like champions, and looked like a gold belt should be worn around their waists.
Savage was similar.
I never cared for guys who carried the belt to the ring with them. I know that, for some guys like Austin, it was in accordance with the character, but it still never sat right with me - dragging a championship belt on the ground behind you.
How many of you remember that the original "Attitude Era" heavyweight title strap was blue? It didn't last long, though. Austin beat the hell out of that belt dragging it, throwing it, spilling beer on it. It soon stained to the point the leather appeared black. After changing the WWF logo from the block to scratch lettering, they modified the buckles and switched to a black strap.
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Curt wore the I-C belt the same way Flair wore the NWA title in regards to the prestige they brought to the belts. Both men looked like champions, and looked like a gold belt should be worn around their waists.
Savage was similar.
I never cared for guys who carried the belt to the ring with them. I know that, for some guys like Austin, it was in accordance with the character, but it still never sat right with me - dragging a championship belt on the ground behind you.
How many of you remember that the original "Attitude Era" heavyweight title strap was blue? It didn't last long, though. Austin beat the hell out of that belt dragging it, throwing it, spilling beer on it. It soon stained to the point the leather appeared black. After changing the WWF logo from the block to scratch lettering, they modified the buckles and switched to a black strap.
couldn't agree more guys should wear the belt as a belt, i've always said that. for some guys just add the extension in as big show did when he won a belt and actually wore it around his ample waist.
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couldn't agree more guys should wear the belt as a belt, i've always said that. for some guys just add the extension in as big show did when he won a belt and actually wore it around his ample waist.
The only time it seemed permissible to carry/hold the belt was when a guy came out to cut a promo in a suit as Flair often did, or if his manager held the title while the champ worked the mic.
I also liked when Flair would prop the belt up on the podium while Schiavone or Crockett interviewed him.
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1. Ricky steamboat
2. Arn Ànderson
3. Scott hall
4. Don muraco
5. Big John stud
6. Kevin vonerich
7. Michael hayes
8. Ron Simmons
9. Brian pillman
10. Rick rude
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Rude (NWA), Simmons & Steamboat (also NWA) were all world champions in WCW which could discard them from the list. Whilst Simmons' reign was a novelty, Steamboat was always putting over Flair and Rude was always second fiddle to Sting. When Ride was IC champ he was always putting over Warrior, could have been brilliant as he generated an intense amount of heat.
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Rude (NWA), Simmons & Steamboat (also NWA) were all world champions in WCW which could discard them from the list. Whilst Simmons' reign was a novelty, Steamboat was always putting over Flair and Rude was always second fiddle to Sting. When Ride was IC champ he was always putting over Warrior, could have been brilliant as he generated an intense amount of heat.
Oh, I thought the topic was limited to guys who should have been WWF champion. Regardless, did anyone wonder how they never put the big belt on Harley Race, with his storied history in the NWA especially?
Of course, we know now why the old man probably never gave Harley that spot, but even back then, you knew it wasn't in the cards as soon as they gave him that cheesy "King" gimmick" and put him in a Mania program with Junk Yard Dog.
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Curt wore the I-C belt the same way Flair wore the NWA title in regards to the prestige they brought to the belts. Both men looked like champions, and looked like a gold belt should be worn around their waists.
Savage was similar.
I never cared for guys who carried the belt to the ring with them. I know that, for some guys like Austin, it was in accordance with the character, but it still never sat right with me - dragging a championship belt on the ground behind you.
How many of you remember that the original "Attitude Era" heavyweight title strap was blue? It didn't last long, though. Austin beat the hell out of that belt dragging it, throwing it, spilling beer on it. It soon stained to the point the leather appeared black. After changing the WWF logo from the block to scratch lettering, they modified the buckles and switched to a black strap.
I could not agree more.
It also bothers me when I see guys carry the belt through the ring ropes. That it not proper wrestling etiquette. The belt should always be put on the ring apron when going through the ropes.
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I could not agree more.
It also bothers me when I see guys carry the belt through the ring ropes. That it not proper wrestling etiquette. The belt should always be put on the ring apron when going through the ropes.
I liked when Graham would carry the belt like he was to cool to wear it
lol
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Lance Storm.
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Lance Storm.
Many here know that I'm a big Lance Storm mark, but I don't think he deserved the WWF title. He was a great ring worker, but didn't have the total package. I honestly don't believe his mic skills were strong enough, and he simply wasn't marketable enough, IMO.
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Many here know that I'm a big Lance Storm mark, but I don't think he deserved the WWF title. He was a great ring worker, but didn't have the total package. I honestly don't believe his mic skills were strong enough, and he simply wasn't marketable enough, IMO.
Totally agree. Have to disagree with previous post...PS Hayes...cmon now..Owen didn't have the total it factor. His promos were decent but somewhat felt forced and not organic.
I think Rude would be a great champion and would be phenomenal in todays product. Arn is a good choice but not sure he would truly be able to outshine Ric.
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Also not saying he shouldn't have been champ, but I felt Goldberg got the title way too soon.
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Also not saying he shouldn't have been champ, but I felt Goldberg got the title way too soon.
I have always been very vocal about Goldberg just getting shit handed to him and not having to work for it. It bothers me when hard working guys get looked over and somebody like Goldberg who wasn't passionate about wrestling gets stuff handed to him.
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Totally agree. Have to disagree with previous post...PS Hayes...cmon now..Owen didn't have the total it factor. His promos were decent but somewhat felt forced and not organic.
I think Rude would be a great champion and would be phenomenal in todays product. Arn is a good choice but not sure he would truly be able to outshine Ric.
I LOVED Rude's ECW work towards the end of his life. I think that was poising him for one last great run. The climate at that time was perfect for what he was doing!
R.I.P., Rick...
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Superfly Jimmy Snuka
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Superfly Jimmy Snuka
I honestly believe Snuka was heir to the throne before the old man brought Hogan back to the Fed. Muracco was in a similar boat, IMO.
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I honestly believe Snuka was heir to the throne before the old man brought Hogan back to the Fed. Muracco was in a similar boat, IMO.
I agree. It seem Hogan coming back knocked Snuka down a peg.
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I agree. It seem Hogan coming back knocked Snuka down a peg.
Had the territory continued on as it was, Superfly would have been the logical choice. Once the old man decided to go the "MTV route," Hogan became the logical choice.
No matter what anyone thinks of Hogan, the champ must be marketable. And, I don't mean transitional champions, but the guy who essentially carries the company. In the mid through late-80's, that guy was Hogan.
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Scott Hall.
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Scott Hall.
Hall would have been fantastic. He was way over as a face and heel, and he was a major part of the nWo's success. I think New World Order t-shirt sales were the only merchandise to rival Austin 3:16. That was such a fun and entertaining time in wrestling. My buddies and I used to laugh our asses off over the shows!
As for Hall, he may have gotten the push had he been able to keep his shit together.
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Hall would have been fantastic. He was way over as a face and heel, and he was a major part of the nWo's success. I think New World Order t-shirt sales were the only merchandise to rival Austin 3:16. That was such a fun and entertaining time in wrestling. My buddies and I used to laugh our asses off over the shows!
As for Hall, he may have gotten the push had he been able to keep his shit together.
With all the politics and BS that Hall and Nash had in WCW, I am surprised they never thru the world title on Hall.....
Very interesting podcast recently Austin interviewed Hall, seems to be coming along but for how long?
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Hall was by far the best all around worker in the nWo.
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Hall was by far the best all around worker in the nWo.
I agree - if not the best, then certainly one of the best. Of course, the nWo Sting was some hefty competition in that category.
;D
Seriously, had Hall been more reliable, I suspect he'd have gotten the belt. Unfortunately, by the time he was white hot, the results of his problems were in full swing with Scott missing some shows, showing up late and/or intoxicated to others...the incidents outside the ring, etc.
A very similar thing happened with Davey Boy Smith in WCW.
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Hall would have been fantastic. He was way over as a face and heel, and he was a major part of the nWo's success. I think New World Order t-shirt sales were the only merchandise to rival Austin 3:16. That was such a fun and entertaining time in wrestling. My buddies and I used to laugh our asses off over the shows!
As for Hall, he may have gotten the push had he been able to keep his shit together.
Hall as WCW champion wouldn't have done much, in my view.
Hall as Razor Ramon would have made a GREAT WWF champion. He was an integral part of the "New WWF Generation". Plus, with Michaels and Diesel (Nash) getting title runs, Razor would have fit the mold just fine. And BOY, was he over back then.
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Had the territory continued on as it was, Superfly would have been the logical choice. Once the old man decided to go the "MTV route," Hogan became the logical choice.
No matter what anyone thinks of Hogan, the champ must be marketable. And, I don't mean transitional champions, but the guy who essentially carries the company. In the mid through late-80's, that guy was Hogan.
Exactly!! Back in the day, Hogan's first name was "The World Wrestling Federation (Heavyweight) Champion". If anybody but him had the belt, it just looked awkward.
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Hall as WCW champion wouldn't have done much, in my view.
Why not?
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Hall as WCW champion wouldn't have done much, in my view.
Hall as Razor Ramon would have made a GREAT WWF champion. He was an integral part of the "New WWF Generation". Plus, with Michaels and Diesel (Nash) getting title runs, Razor would have fit the mold just fine. And BOY, was he over back then.
Not sure which was over more, Hall or Razor...I encourage you to listen his podcast with Austin (2 shows) very interesting. He could cut promos, great look/body and could wrestle for a big guy but willing to bump and put people over.....123 kid anyone.
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Not sure which was over more, Hall or Razor...I encourage you to listen his podcast with Austin (2 shows) very interesting. He could cut promos, great look/body and could wrestle for a big guy but willing to bump and put people over.....123 kid anyone.
Hall's biggest detriment, IMO, was his unreliability. His work was good - both on the mic and in the ring. He supposedly fed Nash a lot of his lines during their WCW run.
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Superfly Jimmy Snuka
this was awesome to watch live at the garden.. still feels like I am there again
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Speaking of Muraco, I'll add him to the list. What didn't he have that Vince was looking for in his champions at that time? Don had the body, charisma, mic skills, etc. And, he had a hell of a lot more talent than Hellwig. I mean, Don knew how to work; just look at some of his matches against Steamboat!
(http://www.allwrestlingsuperstars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Don-Muraco-Showing-Body.jpg)
(http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2011/03/Classic_Photos_02_28.jpg)
(http://wrestler.wrestling123.com/pic/61/27/don-muraco-picture-19.jpg)
(http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Don_Muraco.jpg)
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Muraco was awesome. I liked him better before Vince had him blow up too big. Just like Dino Bravo.
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Muraco was awesome. I liked him better before Vince had him blow up too big. Just like Dino Bravo.
WWF was always a "big man's" territory - even when Vince Sr. ran it. Talent and skill were second-fiddle; if you were big, you were in.
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WWF was always a "big man's" territory - even when Vince Sr. ran it. Talent and skill were second-fiddle; if you were big, you were in.
But too big in Muracos case. And Backland wasnt a very big guy. Nor your boy HBK. ;D
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But too big in Muracos case. And Backland wasnt a very big guy. Nor your boy HBK. ;D
Yeah, I guess I meant more "up to that point."
Backlund was certainly an exception.
Shawn came up post-steroid scandal when Vince was trying to change the company's image by moving away from musclebound stars, which was cool since it gave smaller but better workers a shot.
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Yeah, I guess I meant more "up to that point."
Backlund was certainly an exception.
Shawn came up post-steroid scandal when Vince was trying to change the company's image by moving away from musclebound stars, which was cool since it gave smaller but better workers a shot.
Just had throw HBK in there to rile you up. ;D
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Just had throw HBK in there to rile you up. ;D
I'm over it...until Timmy shows up during his bi-annual visit to bump his "Shrine of Shawn" thread.
Then I simply remind him of the countless stories of Vince ramming it up Shawn's asshole.
Good times!
:D
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By the way where is cheftim??
Hasn't posted in a couple of months...
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By the way where is cheftim??
Hasn't posted in a couple of months...
Tim's job takes up a lot of his time throughout the year. He'll be back.
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Tim's job takes up a lot of his time throughout the year. He'll be back.
Yeah his job and chair sniffing.
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Yeah his job and chair sniffing.
he also claims to have sniffed beyonce's panties