So this Septembers MD, Dorian explictly details his precontest and offseason cycles. Dorian wants to clear up all of the bullshit internet rumors regarding his cycles. Here it goes. Are you guys going to put him into Lee Priest territory now and say that he is a big fucking liar claiming such small doses?OLD NEWS 8)
pre olympia- weekly
Test Prop -300mg
tren -152 mg
primobolan -500mg
Daily- Anavar -50mg
GH 8 IU's
offseason cycle- weekly-
Test -750mg
Deca- 500mg
Daily Anavar- 50mg
So this Septembers MD, Dorian explictly details his precontest and offseason cycles. Dorian wants to clear up all of the bullshit internet rumors regarding his cycles. Here it goes. Are you guys going to put him into Lee Priest territory now and say that he is a big fucking liar claiming such small doses?All per day and theres lots missing ;D
pre olympia- weekly
Test Prop -300mg
tren -152 mg
primobolan -500mg
Daily- Anavar -50mg
GH 8 IU's
offseason cycle- weekly-
Test -750mg
Deca- 500mg
Daily Anavar- 50mg
Insulting phantom writing. This is what naturals use LOL!!!
So this Septembers MD, Dorian explictly details his precontest and offseason cycles. Dorian wants to clear up all of the bullshit internet rumors regarding his cycles. Here it goes. Are you guys going to put him into Lee Priest territory now and say that he is a big fucking liar claiming such small doses?That seems like a ton of drugs to me.
pre olympia- weekly
Test Prop -300mg
tren -152 mg
primobolan -500mg
Daily- Anavar -50mg
GH 8 IU's
offseason cycle- weekly-
Test -750mg
Deca- 500mg
Daily Anavar- 50mg
That seems like a ton of drugs to me.LOL Epic trying to project you know nothing about drugs when we all know that you have juiced in the past :D
LOL Epic trying to project you know nothing about drugs when we all know that you have juiced in the past :DEpic I don`t know a thing about any drugs because I have never had an interest in them ever.
Epic I don`t know a thing about any drugs because I have never had an interest in them ever.;)
That seems like a ton of drugs to me.Yeah to common folk, but not to these junkie pro bbs.
Gh15 is right even dorian's DICK would need more steroids.
So this Septembers MD, Dorian explictly details his precontest and offseason cycles. Dorian wants to clear up all of the bullshit internet rumors regarding his cycles. Here it goes. Are you guys going to put him into Lee Priest territory now and say that he is a big fucking liar claiming such small doses?
pre olympia- weekly
Test Prop -300mg
tren -152 mg
primobolan -500mg
Daily- Anavar -50mg
GH 8 IU's
offseason cycle- weekly-
Test -750mg
Deca- 500mg
Daily Anavar- 50mg
liar yates real pre contest cycle:
test prop: 4000mg/week
tren: 3 amps(228mg)/day
primobolan: 3 amps(300mg)/day
anavar: 300mg/day
gh: 20ius/day plus slin with each meal
liar yates real pre contest cycle:
test prop: 4000mg/week
tren: 3 amps(228mg)/day
primobolan: 3 amps(300mg)/day
anavar: 300mg/day
gh: 20ius/day plus slin with each meal
Dorian Yates first steroid cycles from his own mouth
MD printing more garbage to sell 300 page ads magazine
that's j rodriguez's pre contest cycle ;D
sadly ...it was more than that! that doesnt include the hypers,, and the aromataze inhibitors and the diuretics,,
gh15 approved
I was in Marbella with Yates over the weekend. Check him out - he is honestly a freak of nature....naturally, so any advancements in his "supplementation" would have a huge effect. He very rarely "bodybuilds" and eats half the amount that I do, yet he is a good 50lbs heavier than me. He does kettlebells and MMA training as the bulk of his weekly workouts. His son, Lewis, was also with us - he also rarely eats and doesn't train consistently, but the guy looks freaky - great genetic potential, which really pisses me off ;), as I haven't missed a workout or meal in close to 10 years.
We discussed the response from the forums. He said that people are quick to overlook that he didn't take anytime off after the Olympia like most of his competition, never competed frequently, would nap up to 3 hrs per day, calculate everything to the extreme and use visualization most hours of the day, etc. Either way, he couldn't control what his competition did, what people thought of his HIT system, and now what people think of his stack. BTW, the pre-olympia stack is what he used up to his 1st Olympia win.
some of my pupils,, bring here the picture of dorian yates serving some of his marvelous company dy aprove puddings on a tray back few years ago,, bring here this pic when he wear big shirt xxl that look like he stole from his bigger brother,,
i can not believe that mr getlin right now come here saying dorian is freak of nature,, he lost his mind,, dorian is maybe one of the most average genetic fellas around,, jason type ...same thing,, they blow up on hormones and decide just how much they want to blow up ,, the genetic with out hormones = 180 lb 10%
gh15 approved
some of my pupils,, bring here the picture of dorian yates serving some of his marvelous company dy aprove puddings on a tray back few years ago,, bring here this pic when he wear big shirt xxl that look like he stole from his bigger brother,,
i can not believe that mr getlin right now come here saying dorian is freak of nature,, he lost his mind,, dorian is maybe one of the most average genetic fellas around,, jason type ...same thing,, they blow up on hormones and decide just how much they want to blow up ,, the genetic with out hormones = 180 lb 10%
gh15 approved
+1
I love it when they claim they barely workout and eat very little food.
2 workouts a week, 100-150g protein a day, no drugs = 220 @ 10% ;D
I was in Marbella with Yates over the weekend. Check him out - he is honestly a freak of nature....naturally, so any advancements in his "supplementation" would have a huge effect. He very rarely "bodybuilds" and eats half the amount that I do, yet he is a good 50lbs heavier than me. He does kettlebells and MMA training as the bulk of his weekly workouts. His son, Lewis, was also with us - he also rarely eats and doesn't train consistently, but the guy looks freaky - great genetic potential, which really pisses me off ;), as I haven't missed a workout or meal in close to 10 years.Dude - dozer is clearly on there to, not comp cycles but more than just HRT- why are you calling him a "freak of nature" sure decent genetics but without all the stuff he was on those genetics were nothing - his son juices to are you going to deny that as well ? ffs open your eyes pull your head out the sand and stop swinging off his nuts - it's embarrasing - honestly. ::)
We discussed the response from the forums. He said that people are quick to overlook that he didn't take anytime off after the Olympia like most of his competition, never competed frequently, would nap up to 3 hrs per day, calculate everything to the extreme and use visualization most hours of the day, etc. Either way, he couldn't control what his competition did, what people thought of his HIT system, and now what people think of his stack. BTW, the pre-olympia stack is what he used up to his 1st Olympia win.
I was in Marbella with Yates over the weekend. Check him out - he is honestly a freak of nature....naturally, so any advancements in his "supplementation" would have a huge effect. He very rarely "bodybuilds" and eats half the amount that I do, yet he is a good 50lbs heavier than me. He does kettlebells and MMA training as the bulk of his weekly workouts. His son, Lewis, was also with us - he also rarely eats and doesn't train consistently, but the guy looks freaky - great genetic potential, which really pisses me off ;), as I haven't missed a workout or meal in close to 10 years.
We discussed the response from the forums. He said that people are quick to overlook that he didn't take anytime off after the Olympia like most of his competition, never competed frequently, would nap up to 3 hrs per day, calculate everything to the extreme and use visualization most hours of the day, etc. Either way, he couldn't control what his competition did, what people thought of his HIT system, and now what people think of his stack. BTW, the pre-olympia stack is what he used up to his 1st Olympia win.
(http://www.muscle-and-fitness-for-me.com/images/l5.jpg)It's not relevant to be a genetic freak to build natural muscle. They are freaks in responding to gear..
They are freaks at handling the side effects yes. There are no major differences in dose-response reactions to drugs used in medicine, otherwise there would be no "therapeutic window".Therapeutic windows are only for medicinal purposes. Look at Flex and Dillet: their response to gear is way beyond average, I'd say. But neither, well at least Flex, had the drive of Dorian. Still huge amounts of muscle.
Whether these guys get less side effects or are able to handle them better psychologically (or both) is up for debate.
How come your text is double so often, TID ?
I was in Marbella with Yates over the weekend. Check him out - he is honestly a freak of nature....naturally, so any advancements in his "supplementation" would have a huge effect. He very rarely "bodybuilds" and eats half the amount that I do, yet he is a good 50lbs heavier than me. He does kettlebells and MMA training as the bulk of his weekly workouts. His son, Lewis, was also with us - he also rarely eats and doesn't train consistently, but the guy looks freaky - great genetic potential, which really pisses me off ;), as I haven't missed a workout or meal in close to 10 years.These morons on this site will never believe what Dorian told you. They are muscle conspiracy lovers. Dorian is a filty liar they say. Good for you that you spent time with this great bodybuilder and had converation with him. Fuck these morons. They want to continue to live in GH15's stinky mexican wrestlers jock strap.
We discussed the response from the forums. He said that people are quick to overlook that he didn't take anytime off after the Olympia like most of his competition, never competed frequently, would nap up to 3 hrs per day, calculate everything to the extreme and use visualization most hours of the day, etc. Either way, he couldn't control what his competition did, what people thought of his HIT system, and now what people think of his stack. BTW, the pre-olympia stack is what he used up to his 1st Olympia win.
LMAO:D ;)
yeah Dorian won the O six times because he took 3 hours nap and used visualization
Gethin has entered the Ron Harris zone.
that's j rodriguez's pre contest cycle ;DJealousy will get you evry time. Jeff is natural and your presumption only proves how awful your own gentics are. You=Fail.
Mr Gethin calls himself lifetime natural (google search his name).
He is a liar obviously. How reliable are his stories about someone else then?
Mr Gethin calls himself lifetime natural (google search his name).QED + BOOOOOM
He is a liar obviously. How reliable are his stories about someone else then?
I lol'd really good on this one!Haha why would anyone want a machine that shakes children faster?
This should go to the religious thread where people believe basically anything without any proof.
Anyone, anyone who trains even remotely like a bodybuilder know the 'cycle' Dorian mentioned is a blatant lie. Nothing more and very insulting as it is.
No wonder Dorian is selling e complicated machine that makes a shake that any child can do faster, cheaper and in half the time.
The people buying that are also believing his 'cycle'.
It is so sad and obvious one must laugh.
So this Septembers MD, Dorian explictly details his precontest and offseason cycles. Dorian wants to clear up all of the bullshit internet rumors regarding his cycles. Here it goes. Are you guys going to put him into Lee Priest territory now and say that he is a big fucking liar claiming such small doses?
pre olympia- weekly
Test Prop -300mg
tren -152 mg
primobolan -500mg
Daily- Anavar -50mg
GH 8 Ius
hahahhahhaha guys plz is the tren dose that make all the diff..noticed eh say 152!!! mg no 150mg balonie..this 2 mg is the dif to mro phisique
yeah Dorian won the O six times because he took 3 hours nap and used visualization
Don't forget the power walking..
yeah Dorian won the O six times because he took 3 hours nap and used visualization
Kris,
You are full of it!
Some simple questions for you:
- Take a look at that claimed cycle of Dorian's; [sarcasm]lets assume its correct[/sarcasm] can you then tell us why Dorian was injecting short ester compounds weekly rather than the daily shots that would have been needed? Ya dickhead!
Not that you are a spastic, full of shit cunt at all.
Once you have done that, can you ask your girlfriend Dorian the following:
- Why did Dorian regularly consult with Paul Borresen from the early 90's onwards?
- Why did Dorian regularly consult with Paul Borresen for advice on cycles on the order of grams per week; cycles - the advice and consumption of which - Dorian repeatedly pursued, as those around at the time (including myself) can attest.
- Why did Dorian employ protocols involving all manner of novel compounds such as Insulin, systemically, infused IGF-1 and DNP. Indeed, it was Paul Borresen that introduced Dozy Dorian to Insulin, IGF and DNP, fact!
Maybe Dozy was simply sharing opiate addiction tips with Paul? Who fucking knows these days!
Note to Dorian: deny the veracity of the above, I fucking dare ya! After Kerry kicked you down the fucking road, you really don't want to go there, as you well know; talk about a rock and a hard place, eh Dozy? You know who has the proof on the matter, and it isn't you, nor your scabby son Lewis "off hit tits on GH, the gays love the hands" Yates. Nice to see the apple falling not too far from the tree though!
Stick to hawking overpriced protein to the mphags at expos!!
As said, Kris "not that you are a spastic at all, you understand?".
No, not a spastic... a vile, belly crawling c[color=black=un[/color]t who was not there at the time, and thus knows fuck all about it, however? quite possibly!
Wanker!
I dont know who Gethin is nor have I really been following this thread but hes clearly a homo;D
BBers are all sales men, dorian sold himself on just freakish size, if that what's your selling thats what your gonna lie about. He's most likely the biggest user ever since he was the first to get real fucking big.
If you wanna talk about people that might legit be on low doses you gotta look at guys who are selling there names on form/shape. People I'd guess to be on lower doses are people like heath.
Kris,
You are full of it!
Some simple questions for you:
- Take a look at that claimed cycle of Dorian's; [sarcasm]lets assume its correct[/sarcasm] can you then tell us why Dorian was injecting short ester compounds weekly rather than the daily shots that would have been needed? Ya dickhead!
Not that you are a spastic, full of shit cunt at all.
I have NO IDEA if ANYTHING W8 wrote above is true or not.
That is some deep deep blasting and I LOVE IT!!!!
Once you have done that, can you ask your girlfriend Dorian the following:
- Why did Dorian regularly consult with Paul Borresen from the early 90's onwards?
- Why did Dorian regularly consult with Paul Borresen for advice regarding cycles featuring drug protocols on the order of grams per week; cycles - the advice and consumption of which - Dorian repeatedly pursued, as those around at the time (including myself) can attest.
- Why did Dorian employ protocols involving all manner of novel compounds such as Insulin, DNP and systemically infused IGF-1. Indeed, it was Paul Borresen that introduced Dozy Dorian to Insulin, IGF and DNP, fact!
Maybe Dozy was simply sharing opiate addiction tips with Paul? Who fucking knows these days!
Note to Dorian: deny the veracity of the above, I fucking dare ya! After Kerry kicked you down the fucking road, you really don't want to go there, as you well know; talk about a rock and a hard place, eh Dozy? You know who has the proof on the matter, and it isn't you, nor your scabby son Lewis "off hit tits on GH, the gays love the hands" Yates. Nice to see the apple falling not too far from the tree though!
Stick to hawking overpriced protein to the mphags at expos!!
As said, Kris "not that you are a spastic at all, you understand?".
No, not a spastic... a vile, belly crawling cunt who was not there at the time, and thus knows fuck all about it, however? quite possibly!
Wanker!
Kris,
You are full of it!
Some simple questions for you:
- Take a look at that claimed cycle of Dorian's; [sarcasm]lets assume its correct[/sarcasm] can you then tell us why Dorian was injecting short ester compounds weekly rather than the daily shots that would have been needed? Ya dickhead!
Not that you are a spastic, full of shit cunt at all.
Once you have done that, can you ask your girlfriend Dorian the following:
- Why did Dorian regularly consult with Paul Borresen from the early 90's onwards?
- Why did Dorian regularly consult with Paul Borresen for advice regarding cycles featuring drug protocols on the order of grams per week; cycles - the advice and consumption of which - Dorian repeatedly pursued, as those around at the time (including myself) can attest.
- Why did Dorian employ protocols involving all manner of novel compounds such as Insulin, DNP and systemically infused IGF-1. Indeed, it was Paul Borresen that introduced Dozy Dorian to Insulin, IGF and DNP, fact!
Maybe Dozy was simply sharing opiate addiction tips with Paul? Who fucking knows these days!
Note to Dorian: deny the veracity of the above, I fucking dare ya! After Kerry kicked you down the fucking road, you really don't want to go there, as you well know; talk about a rock and a hard place, eh Dozy? You know who has the proof on the matter, and it isn't you, nor your scabby son Lewis "off hit tits on GH, the gays love the hands" Yates. Nice to see the apple falling not too far from the tree though!
Stick to hawking overpriced protein to the mphags at expos!!
As said, Kris "not that you are a spastic at all, you understand?".
No, not a spastic... a vile, belly crawling cunt who was not there at the time, and thus knows fuck all about it, however? quite possibly!
Wanker!
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z262/wincjw/1-2.jpg)
Already had gyno (that he didn't have 2y prior) even before he offcially started bodybuilding...
They are freaks at handling the side effects yes. There are no major differences in dose-response reactions to drugs used in medicine, otherwise there would be no "therapeutic window".
Whether these guys get less side effects or are able to handle them better psychologically (or both) is up for debate.
These morons on this site will never believe what Dorian told you. They are muscle conspiracy lovers. Dorian is a filty liar they say. Good for you that you spent time with this great bodybuilder and had converation with him. Fuck these morons. They want to continue to live in GH15's stinky mexican wrestlers jock strap.
offseason cycle- weekly-
Test -750mg
Deca- 500mg
Daily Anavar- 50mg
EQUALS
dorian yates wa the first serious freak of insulina and hgh both higher doses,, hgh super high mega dosing and insulina in high doses
gh15 approved
(http://www.nutritionstores.tk/wp-content/uploads/Dorian-yates-workouts-1.jpg)
becaus they know what the truth is,, you can wash them with filthy soap when the reality is 180 degrees from it,, dorian yates has the genetic of jason cutler,, AVERAGE AT BEST,, it is their respond to megsa dosing of hormones with out dropping dead and they use much more than hormones,,, they are invinsible ...they also wont get hiv most likley if having sex with hiv carying female,, those humans are invinsible to anything you put in them ,, not many liek that around ,, but many of them go into bodybuild...
gh15 approved
Age: 31 years old
Height: 5'7"
Off season weight: 220 Lbs.
Contest weight: 185-190 Lbs.
Natural, eh? ::)
BBers are all sales men, dorian sold himself on just freakish size, if that what's your selling thats what your gonna lie about. He's most likely the biggest user ever since he was the first to get real fucking big.
If you wanna talk about people that might legit be on low doses you gotta look at guys who are selling there names on form/shape. People I'd guess to be on lower doses are people like heath.
this is natural numbers listen here,,
180 offseason 185 at times 10%
competition weight 165 6% if very very lucky and on fat burners usualy lol
gh15 approved
Contest weight 190, offseason 220. For a 5'7". Naturally. Don't think so, Gethin.
post your pics
Firstly, since this question has been asked before, why would Dorian lie about his usage? Well his "legacy" is sold on his insane work ethic correct? If we knew he mega-doses that tarnishes his reputation as building his body from purely hard work doesn't it?
Dorian wants us to think he got to where he was by busting his ass with bad genetics. If one does believe he took tiny amounts of AAS then obviously his growth must be attributed to just awe inspiring workouts. Anyone who has watched blood and guts knows his training wasn't all that crazy...He was a hard worker true I will give him that but for sure drugs were also a huge part for him.
I suspect, as has been said by someone else, that pro's have a genetic advantage in handling side effects. Sure they respond better than most and also are put together in such a way as to support muscle tissue very easily but still, drugs are drugs. 200mgs of deca is still only 200mgs of deca, it's not like one guy will put on 1lb of lean body mass BUT DORIAN YATES WILL BUILT 75LBS FROM IT. I mean get fucking real.
More like an average responder gains 1lb while genetic elite gains 2.5lbs, that sounds about right.
So a geneticly average person will gain 30lbs of muscle with gear and gh usage while a pro can gain roughly 85lbs and if you look, Dorian Ronnie etc all gained roughly that amount over there careers. Ronnie a bit more than most but overall pro's typically add similar amounts of bodyweights over their careers. This is why you see guys typically competing within an average range of bodyweight. You don't have an army of dudes competing above 240lbs, there are only a few (given a height below 6ft of course). Most competitive pros are between 5ft9 and 5ft11 and compete between 220-260 with a rare few hitting 280 (Nasser and Ronnie are the only ones to do so successfully, even Dorian was only in the 260's at his peak).
So what did Dorian REALLY take? If you follow the man as I have for many many years, one thing that really stands out is his "leave no stone unturned" mentality. He searched for optimal training, optimal recovery, optimal diet etc. One would surmise, obviously, that he would seek out optimal drug usage as well. It is very clear linear logical thinking here. He would have sought out the best stacks and drug synergy and then maxed out the dosages. Combine the MOST AAS/GH he could take with the MOST intense training and a PERFECT diet (calculated to within 100 calories daily, his diet was very very well planned) and you have Dorian Yates the bodybuilder.
if you follow all of that, and still think the dosages he listed are believable then I cannot help you but you are pretty damn slow. He mega-dosed and I am sure took his AAS usage to extremes. I just cannot fathom how logically you can say bodybuilder x uses 200mgs of something and weighs 180lbs while bodybuilder B takes the exact same dosage but has over 70 or 80lbs more muscle? Really? Hard to believe, at the very least...Also Dorian did have a pretty bad gut near the end of his career, I am sure smidgens of primo and 8iu's of GH did not do that...
how did Dorian all of a sudden from a humble background working as a cleaner all of a sudden have the money for all this?
sadly ...it was more than that! that doesnt include the hypers,, and the aromataze inhibitors and the diuretics,,
gh15 approved
Oh brother....do me a favor and please inform your loyal naive followers of what Aromatase inhibitors Dorian Yates was using back in the early 90's....this should be really good. (You are getting really sloppy as a gimmick and showing a very young age Mr AstraZeneca.....should have checked with Nasser first before posting that...he wouldnt have made that mistake)
funny that period of his life is never talked about as far as what he did besides begin in a basement gym .. they talk up his childhood on a farm and his family raising horses .. wholesome sorts .. prolly the kind of place vets send cases of things to .. not just a horse or two out back in the pasture ;) .. but after his stint as a juvey it jumps to just his career then marriage .. maybe a benefactor like the guard at juvey who "noticed" his potential .. or he was an independant lad who found ways to get by 8)
interesting isn't it ..
working in a slaughterhouse after going off on his own when he was 16 and in a gang , he was raised around competitive show horses then became a bodybuilder and family man .. that's his story .. totally believable innit ?
2 things:
-I like your posts
-show us your tits
I picked up on that as well...Not to mention GH15 was saying not long ago AI's were worthless and EVERY bodybuilder should be taking Masteron instead...Weird to say the least.
Anyway Arimidex hit the market I believe in 1995. No clue when it was readily available to bodybuilders, or even considered to be effective and worthwhile. The cost was outrageous for a very long time, I think it was like $20 per 1mg pill.
Not to mention arimidex would probably have done little for a Dorian. If he was using large amounts of test it would simply displace the dex as arimidex is non-suicidal.
I am not a doctor, I am not an expert, just saying what I think is true, off my memory. I have no desire to research it, don't use it. Letrozole and Aromasin are the only 2 AI's I would ever touch. Arimidex is outdated IMHO.
Oh brother....do me a favor and please inform your loyal naive followers of what Aromatase inhibitors Dorian Yates was using back in the early 90's....this should be really good. (You are getting really sloppy as a gimmick and showing a very young age Mr AstraZeneca.....should have checked with Nasser first before posting that...he wouldnt have made that mistake)
Look at all the fucking lying cockroaches swarming this thread. Gethin, Beefy, Danta... you fellas should be slapped right in the fucking face for lying so badly.
Utterly disrespectful.
Oh brother....do me a favor and please inform your loyal naive followers of what Aromatase inhibitors Dorian Yates was using back in the early 90's....this should be really good. (You are getting really sloppy as a gimmick and showing a very young age Mr AstraZeneca.....should have checked with Nasser first before posting that...he wouldnt have made that mistake)
this is natural numbers listen here,,
180 offseason 185 at times 10%
competition weight 165 6% if very very lucky and on fat burners usualy lol
gh15 approved
Oh brother....do me a favor and please inform your loyal naive followers of what Aromatase inhibitors Dorian Yates was using back in the early 90's....this should be really good. (You are getting really sloppy as a gimmick and showing a very young age Mr AstraZeneca.....should have checked with Nasser first before posting that...he wouldnt have made that mistake)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z262/wincjw/1-2.jpg)
Already had gyno (that he didn't have 2y prior) even before he offcially started bodybuilding...
And we have the winner of the MFSSOTY* award.
*most fucking stupid statement of the year
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Gh15>dante
Ok, so as always no one uses COMMON SENSE. Human brain is powerful and you can sense bullshit even with little or no knowledge! That's why I had scholarship at my uni ffs, Im to lazy to learn but you can come up with things all by yourself.Hes telling lies
So now:
(1) Ok, let's assume Dorian used what he did. That's nowadays considered begginer's cycle. Did everyone use same amounts? Well no, at least Nasser el Sonbaty, his DIRECT competition used literally 10x more gear. So did his competition according to Nasser. Ok so we know some of direct Dorian's competitors used way more than fucking 300mg of tren precontest and 700mg of test off season, more like 5g of test offseason and 2g of tren precontest, right? Also they used way more gh and added insulin.
(2) Now drugs are DOSE dependent. If you add insulin you're bigger. If you add gh you're bigger. If you add androgens then not necessarily BUT 300mg of test prop is WAY under optimal amount which is never lower than 750mg for guys with worst reaction to drugs on earth. Same goes for tren basically.
Ok, so we know that drugs are dose dependent, Dorian used way less than what is considered even optimal and his competition used much more. Now, Olympia is a freak show. Dorian won not becouse he had most pretty physique - he won becouse of his size and razor sharp definition. So now from (2) we know that if Dorian used more he would be bigger. From (1) we know that his competition arleady used more. So question is:
WHY THE FUCK DIDNT HE USE MORE IF HE COULD BE BETTER AND HIS COMPETITION ARLEADY DID THAT AND THEY WERE SOMETIMES CATCHING HIM REALLY FUCKING CLOSE?
Hes telling lies
Hi Stupid, welcome to the thread.
Meltdown. ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
LOL! Everything is a meltdown now.
What's your IQ again?
Hi Stupid, welcome to the thread.
Oh brother....do me a favor and please inform your loyal naive followers of what Aromatase inhibitors Dorian Yates was using back in the early 90's....this should be really good. (You are getting really sloppy as a gimmick and showing a very young age Mr AstraZeneca.....should have checked with Nasser first before posting that...he wouldnt have made that mistake)
here is your hero fellas,, the once 6 time mr o of nothing but little kid cycles lol ,, at age 21! already look like a washed up druggie which he was....he just was good responder to high doses,, the end!
can you really tell me that this is marvelous genetic? look at it!! we have here on the boarding leaf bug with genetic that put this dorian to shame!! yet...dorian responded MUCH better to hormones,, look at dorian face....take a close look ...this is a face of hormones my friends
gh15 approved
Danta = fat liar
Just to add to the Arimidex thing, Duchaine mentioned sending a pretty famous large Bodybuilder to Walter Jekot to acquire some to experiment with back in the very early 80's, so it was known in BB circles as early as then.
;D
Damn, straight to the point ! LOLOLOL !! Must've upped the dose of Test, eh Stav ? :D
Dang, this thread has gone off the hook. I have never had so much attention, good or bad. While I have the wind behind me, please go to my Facebook fanpage and click "Like" :)
Yes liar Gethin, we will all click "like" on your facebook page.This 8)
We will do it so that before you go to sleep at night and you check in your little facebook fan page, and you see those 4324234 people "like" this, YOU WILL REALISE THAT YOU FUCKED THE HEAD UP OF THOSE 4324234 PERSONS BY TELLING THEM LIES.
4324234 kids that look at magazines and pray so hard to look like you or their idol Layne Nortons or their idol Skip Lacour because you guys were able to get that big and shredded naturally right.
So those 4324234 kids spend their hard earned money, money they gained by working at the grocerie store at minimum wage. All that work after school and on the week-ends to be able to buy your useless bullshit training programs, your useless bulshit diet plans, your useless bullshit supplement line.
YES LIAR GETHIN, YOU CAN BE SURE WE WILL CLICK "LIKE" ON YOUR FACEBOOK PAGE
We will click it so that when you go to hell for scamming all those, Satan will also see those 4324234 "likes" on your facebook and punish you for it.
FUCK YOU GETHIN
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and to all my pupils around the world...bring up here the info that armidex was available since the 70s,, i dont have time to look for internet balonie,, im sure all of you can find info ,,
gh15 approved
So Dorian Yates was using arimidex in the early 90's according to you? I really dont need to say anything else.Maybe you need to use an AI to you fat swollen mess :-X
So Dorian Yates was using arimidex in the early 90's according to you? I really dont need to say anything else.
Testolactone. First generation AI, available since 70s if I'm not mistaken.
It's even in the Chris Street supposed Yates Olympia cycle.
Liar Dante.
;)
Danta = Fat Bloated Big Boned bullshitting Liar
It just doesn't make sense logically for a pro bodybuilder to only use gymrat cycles. These guys are the top physiques in the world. They have everything invested in the sport of bodybuilding. It's how they make their money. Why wouldn't they be using mega doses. You do what you can to be the best! If Dorian could be that good only using a gram a week you don't think he's gonna try to push the envelope more? Come on these guys are fiercely competitive. You're getting paid to look as good as you possibly can!It might be true for everyone else, but Dorian didn't rely on steroids to build his muscle mass.
It just doesn't make sense logically for a pro bodybuilder to only use gymrat cycles. These guys are the top physiques in the world. They have everything invested in the sport of bodybuilding. It's how they make their money. Why wouldn't they be using mega doses. You do what you can to be the best! If Dorian could be that good only using a gram a week you don't think he's gonna try to push the envelope more? Come on these guys are fiercely competitive. You're getting paid to look as good as you possibly can!
It might be true for everyone else, but Dorian didn't rely on steroids to build his muscle mass.
He took a 3 hours nap everyday, and on top of that, you might not believe me because it seems hardcore and even a bit dangerous but Dorian used visualization techniques to help him attain the next level.
Dorian figured out that more was not better in terms of training. Maybe he took the same approach with drugs? He definitely didn't follow the crowd.
Absolutely, I was much bigger on 500 mg of gear than I am on 2g
if you sleep enough during the day, and you visualize yourself growing from within and pressing 500 lbs for reps, you can make wonder
Oh man dont stop there! The very guy whose agenda for the last decade is to go to every board online and argue every pro is lying and takes 5 grams of testosterone a week year round now believes in Chris Street's reported Yates cycle of 300-400mg of testosterone a week and roughly 775mg of androgens a week? (for most of the cycle....even less than the MD article)......is the sky falling?
Dang, this thread has gone off the hook. I have never had so much attention, good or bad. While I have the wind behind me, please go to my Facebook fanpage and click "Like" :)
LOL! Everything is a meltdown now.
What's your IQ again?
Lol, I think it is hilarious how angry you get just because I am more intelligent than you. I figure you wouldn't get so angry over this, since there are a lot of people more intelligent than you and you are probably pretty used to feeling like the least smart person everywhere you go.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You never read me carefully. I have never ever said every pro uses 5 grams of test year round. Don't get it twisted. I don't recommend/advocate megadoses and I don't think every pro is on 5G test year round, but from experience a certain dose range/choice of products correspond to a certain size range/look on average. There are some differences, but we are all human.
No amount of mental drive makes a pro transcend human genetics. Dorian was maybe the freakiest thing ever seen in 1993 and a considerable amount of drugs went into going where no one had gone before.
Someone posted the Chris Street cycle here recently and I said the products and timing looked legit perhaps. The doses not so much. Not quite realistic. Using some common sense and experience I'm confident Dorian did way more at times especially off season, even before winning the Olympia. I remember pics of him when he arrived at the scene with severe cystic acne and bloat that does not correspond to the doses mentioned. I've seen post contest photo shoots of Dorian where he is holding a layer of water that does not match the doses given... and IME is not simply the result of water rebound due to 3 days of aldactone.
It's common sense that Dorian used lots of all the ingredients that allowed him, or anyone, to grow to the size he did, which was breaking new ground in 93. Those idiots on MD argued Yates never touched insulin. How realistic is that? Even you know it's not realistic. If I had to bet I'd bet DNP was included too in 1993... it can help quite a bit to be bigger in contest shape than before its use. But some things are just not put on paper. Insulin, DNP especially. "Ooooh some kid might get hurt and people will look down on me!"
You are so far mixed up with liars that you can't tell the truth anyore, lest you lose customers and goodwill in the community. You defend liars such as Ron Harris, Tim Martin, Skip Pancake/Phil Heath, Castleberry etc etc.
Now, Dante, care to comment on your jackass buddy Massive G's cycle prescriptions? This guy is preaching "600mg puts slabs of muscle on anyone and no one should ever use more". Yet he gives this cycle to a 180lb guy (I'm guessing on what he weighed in comp then), and the guy felt sick and had to stop.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=385567.75
So if you complain about gh15's "insane" dosage quotes maybe you should check the insanity in your own circle. Not even gh15 would recommend dosages like that. Not even close.
Pellius puts out consistent good intelligent posts. Every thread you start is a huge backfire and you end up getting made fun of and humiliated.
Now, Dante, care to comment on your jackass buddy Massive G's cycle prescriptions? This guy is preaching "600mg puts slabs of muscle on anyone and no one should ever use more". Yet he gives this cycle to a 180lb guy (I'm guessing on what he weighed in comp then), and the guy felt sick and had to stop.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=385567.75
So if you complain about gh15's "insane" dosage quotes maybe you should check the insanity in your own circle. Not even gh15 would recommend dosages like that. Not even close.
Now, Dante, care to comment on your jackass buddy Massive G's cycle prescriptions? This guy is preaching "600mg puts slabs of muscle on anyone and no one should ever use more". Yet he gives this cycle to a 180lb guy (I'm guessing on what he weighed in comp then), and the guy felt sick and had to stop.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=385567.75
So if you complain about gh15's "insane" dosage quotes maybe you should check the insanity in your own circle. Not even gh15 would recommend dosages like that. Not even close.[/b]
Now, Dante, care to comment on your jackass buddy Massive G's cycle prescriptions?This guy is preaching "600mg puts slabs of muscle on anyone and no one should ever use more". Yet he gives this cycle to a 180lb guy (I'm guessing on what he weighed in comp then), and the guy felt sick and had to stop.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=385567.75
So if you complain about gh15's "insane" dosage quotes maybe you should check the insanity in your own circle. Not even gh15 would recommend dosages like that. Not even close.[/color][/b]
No, I disagree. And you are just another idiot I have owned into oblivion a trillion times.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Maybe you need to use an AI to you fat swollen mess :-X
Lol, I think it is hilarious how angry you get just because I am more intelligent than you. I figure you wouldn't get so angry over this, since there are a lot of people more intelligent than you and you are probably pretty used to feeling like the least smart person everywhere you go.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
No, I disagree. And you are just another idiot I have owned into oblivion a trillion times.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
The truth is that many have wondered throughout the years about the identity of suckmymuscle, but have never got close. I elude all attempts to find out who I am. I am American, French, Brazilian, Canadian, Austrian...I am a law professor, international playboy who lives in the Riviera, math genius, Special Forces guy, A.I engineer...the truth is that I am all of those things in some way or another, although not at the same time...my computer traces to multiple IP addresses at the same time. Surprise, surprise, who am I?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
He must be. Chloe from 24..
we all fuckin used that shit ,,lol i just always though that masterona is better foro over all effect and still a steroid so i liked it more,,
many of us bodybuild really dont hold much fat ,, only water and skin ...and for that you need something in the form of antiaromataze,, diuretic,, masterona ,,ephedrine,, combo of all ,, it depends on the individual
gh15 approved
im really disappointed in yates if this is actually true, all the brit pros are usualy very honest upto a point, he was better off just not getting into the steroid conversation at all...Yes, as I said already in this thread, regarding gear pros should either tell the truth or keep their mouth shut, cos there's nothin worse than a liar
i mean all the competitive guys on here, and i mean every single one knows this to be utter rubbish, its not even worth discussing, i cant believe people are trying to argue this with a straight face!
ive never came across this gethin cun.t before, this shite wont wash on getbig tho...
You never read me carefully. I have never ever said every pro uses 5 grams of test year round. Don't get it twisted. I don't recommend/advocate megadoses and I don't think every pro is on 5G test year round, but from experience a certain dose range/choice of products correspond to a certain size range/look on average. There are some differences, but we are all human.
No amount of mental drive makes a pro transcend human genetics. Dorian was maybe the freakiest thing ever seen in 1993 and a considerable amount of drugs went into going where no one had gone before.
Someone posted the Chris Street cycle here recently and I said the products and timing looked legit perhaps. The doses not so much. Not quite realistic. Using some common sense and experience I'm confident Dorian did way more at times especially off season, even before winning the Olympia. I remember pics of him when he arrived at the scene with severe cystic acne and bloat that does not correspond to the doses mentioned. I've seen post contest photo shoots of Dorian where he is holding a layer of water that does not match the doses given... and IME is not simply the result of water rebound due to 3 days of aldactone.
It's common sense that Dorian used lots of all the ingredients that allowed him, or anyone, to grow to the size he did, which was breaking new ground in 93. Those idiots on MD argued Yates never touched insulin. How realistic is that? Even you know it's not realistic. If I had to bet I'd bet DNP was included too in 1993... it can help quite a bit to be bigger in contest shape than before its use. But some things are just not put on paper. Insulin, DNP especially. "Ooooh some kid might get hurt and people will look down on me!"
You are so far mixed up with liars that you can't tell the truth anyore, lest you lose customers and goodwill in the community. You defend liars such as Ron Harris, Tim Martin, Skip Pancake/Phil Heath, Castleberry etc etc.
Now, Dante, care to comment on your jackass buddy Massive G's cycle prescriptions? This guy is preaching "600mg puts slabs of muscle on anyone and no one should ever use more". Yet he gives this cycle to a 180lb guy (I'm guessing on what he weighed in comp then), and the guy felt sick and had to stop.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=385567.75
So if you complain about gh15's "insane" dosage quotes maybe you should check the insanity in your own circle. Not even gh15 would recommend dosages like that. Not even close.
You never read me carefully. I have never ever said every pro uses 5 grams of test year round. Don't get it twisted. I don't recommend/advocate megadoses and I don't think every pro is on 5G test year round, but from experience a certain dose range/choice of products correspond to a certain size range/look on average. There are some differences, but we are all human.
No amount of mental drive makes a pro transcend human genetics. Dorian was maybe the freakiest thing ever seen in 1993 and a considerable amount of drugs went into going where no one had gone before.
Someone posted the Chris Street cycle here recently and I said the products and timing looked legit perhaps. The doses not so much. Not quite realistic. Using some common sense and experience I'm confident Dorian did way more at times especially off season, even before winning the Olympia. I remember pics of him when he arrived at the scene with severe cystic acne and bloat that does not correspond to the doses mentioned. I've seen post contest photo shoots of Dorian where he is holding a layer of water that does not match the doses given... and IME is not simply the result of water rebound due to 3 days of aldactone.
It's common sense that Dorian used lots of all the ingredients that allowed him, or anyone, to grow to the size he did, which was breaking new ground in 93. Those idiots on MD argued Yates never touched insulin. How realistic is that? Even you know it's not realistic. If I had to bet I'd bet DNP was included too in 1993... it can help quite a bit to be bigger in contest shape than before its use. But some things are just not put on paper. Insulin, DNP especially. "Ooooh some kid might get hurt and people will look down on me!"
You are so far mixed up with liars that you can't tell the truth anyore, lest you lose customers and goodwill in the community. You defend liars such as Ron Harris, Tim Martin, Skip Pancake/Phil Heath, Castleberry etc etc.
Now, Dante, care to comment on your jackass buddy Massive G's cycle prescriptions? This guy is preaching "600mg puts slabs of muscle on anyone and no one should ever use more". Yet he gives this cycle to a 180lb guy (I'm guessing on what he weighed in comp then), and the guy felt sick and had to stop.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=385567.75
So if you complain about gh15's "insane" dosage quotes maybe you should check the insanity in your own circle. Not even gh15 would recommend dosages like that. Not even close.
It just doesn't make sense logically for a pro bodybuilder to only use gymrat cycles. These guys are the top physiques in the world. They have everything invested in the sport of bodybuilding. It's how they make their money. Why wouldn't they be using mega doses. You do what you can to be the best! If Dorian could be that good only using a gram a week you don't think he's gonna try to push the envelope more? Come on these guys are fiercely competitive. You're getting paid to look as good as you possibly can!You would think that your post is like....2+2=4...but for some strange reason some believe it equals 3
Dante, our main point is that it's not "logical"
senario: a guy takes 1g of gear and wins the O. He hears about everybody taking 4-5 g of gear and they are getting as big as him and he might lose his title. If he loses his title, he will make less money of course and lose momentum to make more money.
this guy would not try to see what he would look like taking the doses everybody is taking ? (ASSUMING he really takes only 1g of gear).
it's just not logical, EVERYBODY would do it.
Hell people do it at the local level and they don't even make money from this shit.
No bodybuilder ever said: "Yop, I am perfect the way I am I'll stop there and won't try to get better/bigger" or at least they know they won't place if they don't get better
Good post. Plus Dorian didn't seem like the type of guy who was afraid to push the limits!
Dante, our main point is that it's not "logical"
senario: a guy takes 1g of gear and wins the O. He hears about everybody taking 4-5 g of gear and they are getting as big as him and he might lose his title. If he loses his title, he will make less money of course and lose momentum to make more money.
this guy would not try to see what he would look like taking the doses everybody is taking ? (ASSUMING he really takes only 1g of gear).
it's just not logical, EVERYBODY would do it.
Hell people do it at the local level and they don't even make money from this shit.
No bodybuilder ever said: "Yop, I am perfect the way I am I'll stop there and won't try to get better/bigger" or at least they know they won't place if they don't get better
Ok and with that point being made did Dorian do anything logical? Look at the way he trained, nobody else trained like that. How come he didnt think on the same lines then and say "well everyone else is training 3 days on one day off with 12-20 sets per bodypart, I should to or I wont hold on to these bodybuilding titles"::)
In my book if there ever was a bodybuilder that went by what he thought was the right way and only what he thought.....its Dorian Yates.
With that said....I allready told the people at pro muscle my thoughts on the whole thing as it pertains to information I got back in 95 or 96....I personally dont know Dorian Yates. My opinion is this and only this regarding this ongoing argumentative subject......where are the pro cards? Everyone and their brother keep saying that if you take enough drugs you can be a pro. There are so MANY people in this sport that want this stuff so darn badly their whole lives are encompassed by the mirror. They live breath and sleep pro bodybuilding and their ultimate goal stupidly is an IFBB pro card over a degree in college. Hundreds upon thousands of guys like that especially on these boards. The information supposedly is right there in front of everyone. Take enough sauce and listen to these guys on message boards who continually tell you that if you blast enough of this and that and that over there you too will find bodybuilding glory. Where are the pro cards? Because I keep seeing these genetically elite black guys come out of nowhere and get pro cards instead of these muscle message board members who have been on the boards the last 10 years who know the "secret" and want bodybuilding glory.
Ok and with that point being made did Dorian do anything logical? Look at the way he trained, nobody else trained like that. How come he didnt think on the same lines then and say "well everyone else is training 3 days on one day off with 12-20 sets per bodypart, I should to or I wont hold on to these bodybuilding titles"
In my book if there ever was a bodybuilder that went by what he thought was the right way and only what he thought.....its Dorian Yates.
With that said....I allready told the people at pro muscle my thoughts on the whole thing as it pertains to information I got back in 95 or 96....I personally dont know Dorian Yates. My opinion is this and only this regarding this ongoing argumentative subject......where are the pro cards? Everyone and their brother keep saying that if you take enough drugs you can be a pro. There are so MANY people in this sport that want this stuff so darn badly their whole lives are encompassed by the mirror. They live breath and sleep pro bodybuilding and their ultimate goal stupidly is an IFBB pro card over a degree in college. Hundreds upon thousands of guys like that especially on these boards. The information supposedly is right there in front of everyone. Take enough sauce and listen to these guys on message boards who continually tell you that if you blast enough of this and that and that over there you too will find bodybuilding glory. Where are the pro cards? Because I keep seeing these genetically elite black guys come out of nowhere and get pro cards instead of these muscle message board members who have been on the boards the last 10 years who know the "secret" and want bodybuilding glory.
Ok and with that point being made did Dorian do anything logical? Look at the way he trained, nobody else trained like that. How come he didnt think on the same lines then and say "well everyone else is training 3 days on one day off with 12-20 sets per bodypart, I should to or I wont hold on to these bodybuilding titles"
In my book if there ever was a bodybuilder that went by what he thought was the right way and only what he thought.....its Dorian Yates.
With that said....I allready told the people at pro muscle my thoughts on the whole thing as it pertains to information I got back in 95 or 96....I personally dont know Dorian Yates. My opinion is this and only this regarding this ongoing argumentative subject......where are the pro cards? Everyone and their brother keep saying that if you take enough drugs you can be a pro. There are so MANY people in this sport that want this stuff so darn badly their whole lives are encompassed by the mirror. They live breath and sleep pro bodybuilding and their ultimate goal stupidly is an IFBB pro card over a degree in college. Hundreds upon thousands of guys like that especially on these boards. The information supposedly is right there in front of everyone. Take enough sauce and listen to these guys on message boards who continually tell you that if you blast enough of this and that and that over there you too will find bodybuilding glory. Where are the pro cards? Because I keep seeing these genetically elite black guys come out of nowhere and get pro cards instead of these muscle message board members who have been on the boards the last 10 years who know the "secret" and want bodybuilding glory.
Dante is right to a point for sure. I know this first hand. Had three friends, one was Arab, one was black and the other an Italian guy. All worked out for years and had that swimmers look, all decided to take steroids at the same time. Just basic test, winny and deca. All took the same dose and all worked out together the same time everyday. The Italian guy blew the fuck up. His muscles swole like no tomorrow. The black guy got bigger but reall just got deeper cuts and looked like a tank and the arab guy barely grew. The fact is genetic response to drugs was the key. I don't even think if the Arab guy took three times as much that he would have matched the other two guys in size. The Italian guy responsed amazingly. it is what it is. The "elite" bodybuilders are genetic drug response freaks.
As for Dante, TRT is steroids. Calling it TRT doesn't pull this magical cloak over the fact that you are still injecting steroids and pharma quality steroids to boot. Calling it TRT but taking two needles a week of Pfizer 200mg test cyp is better than 1 gram of any UG shit out there.
Yup Stupid, you have me furious. Your 260 IQ is too much for me. It's hilarious how angry I get, Stupid. I don't know what I'm going to do. Maybe I'll start typing in all caps.
yes but your 3 friends were not over 300 lbs off-season like Dorian
tell me Labrada didn't use a lot of drugs at 180 lbs onstage and I won't argue for shit.
tell me the european who place 18th in a pro show and weights 250 onstage don'T use a lot of drugs and I'll call bullshit on that
I know a lot of guys like to point out that if all it took to be a pro is lots of drugs then where are all the freaks. Has anyone noticed that in the last 8 to 10 years that most of the competitors in the nationals show have shit genetics? Where are the Levrones and the Dilletts and the Colemans and the Wheelers? Where are the teenage competitors? Most show don't even have a teenage division anymore. When I was competing there were 12 to 20 sometimes more in that class. Hell I still see some of those same guys competing in the masters. So maybe God is not creating anymore genetic freaks? or maybe the 16 year old boys who come into the gym are not interested in taking a $1000 a month worth of drugs to get a trophy? Look at some of the top teens today compared to 25 years ago! Back in the day 40 mgs of Dbol and 400 deca was common. Now you have guys running GH slin and 1500 mgs of AAS while competing as a teen! No wonder most of these kids are interested in MMA and such instead of BBing. Who can blame them? BBing will be dead in ten years and will be flooded with genetically inferior guys mega dosing for a trophy. Hell it's already happening, just look at these shows today. The top guys of today wouldn't have placed in the top ten back in the 80's and 90's!!!!!true jim,remember ray,eddie robinson,santoriello,looked like pros almost at 18 to 20 ,late eighties all on basics i bet,,,,
I know a lot of guys like to point out that if all it took to be a pro is lots of drugs then where are all the freaks. Has anyone noticed that in the last 8 to 10 years that most of the competitors in the nationals show have shit genetics? Where are the Levrones and the Dilletts and the Colemans and the Wheelers? Where are the teenage competitors? Most show don't even have a teenage division anymore. When I was competing there were 12 to 20 sometimes more in that class. Hell I still see some of those same guys competing in the masters. So maybe God is not creating anymore genetic freaks? or maybe the 16 year old boys who come into the gym are not interested in taking a $1000 a month worth of drugs to get a trophy? Look at some of the top teens today compared to 25 years ago! Back in the day 40 mgs of Dbol and 400 deca was common. Now you have guys running GH slin and 1500 mgs of AAS while competing as a teen! No wonder most of these kids are interested in MMA and such instead of BBing. Who can blame them? BBing will be dead in ten years and will be flooded with genetically inferior guys mega dosing for a trophy. Hell it's already happening, just look at these shows today. The top guys of today wouldn't have placed in the top ten back in the 80's and 90's!!!!!
true jim,remember ray,eddie robinson,santoriello,looked like pros almost at 18 to 20 ,late eighties all on basics i bet,,,,
So why doesn't dorian still weigh 300 solid? What's so hard about taking 800 mgs a week of something? Regardless of what Dorian weighs at the moment he is a lot smaller than in his hey day. Maybe he doesn't eat anymore ::) maybe he does 3 hours of cardio a day ::) maybe he only does pilates ::);D
Dorian does not weigh 300 pounds because he does not eat 600 grams of Protein like fat ass Dante` does. ::)
He used to claim that he was training Lifetime Natural bodybuilders that were over 200 lbs and under 6 feet, ripped. When questioned further, he would say it was because of their protein intake. HAHAHAAH
Sure Ill comment. Thats Massive G. What does that have to do with me? I got no idea what that is about. Im a totally different individual. You would have to ask Massive G about that. You and Buselmo and Mr BMJ seem to be online friends....should I assume anything they say or recommend you do also? I wouldnt because I see you all as individuals. Now look above. You make all these assumptions of drugs used based on how Dorian Yates looked. I saw you do the same with me one time saying "obvious synthol use" in shoulders. I saw GH15 do the same with me one time stating 1500mg of testosterone a week and a bunch of tren. Im on TRT and have been for a few years. Synthol? You already know how wrong you were on that one. So if I see two individuals so very wrong regarding someone such as myself.....just imagine how wrong they are regarding someone like Yates. See I have no clue whatsoever what a certain pro bodybuilder does especially if I dont know them at all. You have no clue what a certain pro bodybuilder does and GH15 especially has no clue of what a certain pro bodybuilder does by just looking at him.
Do you know what every member does at Getbig does juicewise to the milligram by looking at their pictures? Does GH15? He has been so incredibly wrong on the few people I do know personally that its laughable. Ever train about 1000 people? I have. I have seen some rare super responders to gear that make your head spin. Most people dont respond like that but Ive seen a very rare few that its unbelievable. When you see certain individuals (usually black) who go from 188 pounds to 263 pounds hard as a rock in 2.5 years and you know exactly what they are doing (ahem because you know the guy who got them their stuff and they have no hook otherwise)....you have a mental door that stays open to the rare possibility that there are certain individuals that explode in training, eating and in response to drugs.
Again I think its very foolhardy to think "that guy is ripped so he must do DNP"....that guy is big so he is on insulin (most overrated compound ever in bodybuilding). Christ I got a guy now I help to put on size and he doesnt touch the stuff and everyone is commenting online about insulin with him (provides a good laugh but we dont argue the point...people will believe what they want to believe.... whats the use)
What does Ron Harris opinion have to do with my opinion? Tim Martin? I dont know Tim Martin in the least but please explain to me (and IM saying that respectively) please explain to me how a guy passes 30 blood, urine and lie detector tests over the years and doesnt get caught? I find that very hard to do. Could you pass 5 lie detector tests saying that you have never looked at online porn? Skip? Good friends with Phil, as much as I would love to broach that subject and provide some clear cut clarity, obviously it cannot be talked about (You and GH15 win! See how easy it is when the other guys cant talk about it due to friendships, no matter how very wrong he has been regarding him). Castleberry....much bigger now than as a teen, obviously took the step up (but Ive said that before haven't I?)
This is what I think you should personally do....as Ive seen you argue these points for years. I think you should go to a place (expo/seminar) where Dorian is or whatever guy you think is a liar is at and sit down with them and tell them personally your thoughts on what they are saying and let them have a chance to respond. See I have done that with alot of guys that you two have said wrong information about....when you talk to someone in person you get a good feel about who is lying and who isnt. Do you think I talk openly about anyone that I personally felt was lying to me? No i dont, thats why you dont hear about those individuals from me........ Then if you came online and said "I talked to Dorian, he told me his side of things, I stated mine....I still feel he isnt being truthful"....I would respect your opinion much more and give credence to it.
B-boy is a perfect example of all this. He let people know what he was doing prior to this year and none of you guys believed him. You all called him a liar saying there is no way he could be that big on just that small amount competing nationally. Well this year he stepped things up and went in about 8 or so pounds heavier and also was truthful with everyone again like he has been in the past and now you all believe him because it fits in with your agenda....but didnt previously.
Ok and with that point being made did Dorian do anything logical? Look at the way he trained, nobody else trained like that. How come he didnt think on the same lines then and say "well everyone else is training 3 days on one day off with 12-20 sets per bodypart, I should to or I wont hold on to these bodybuilding titles"
In my book if there ever was a bodybuilder that went by what he thought was the right way and only what he thought.....its Dorian Yates.
With that said....I allready told the people at pro muscle my thoughts on the whole thing as it pertains to information I got back in 95 or 96....I personally dont know Dorian Yates. My opinion is this and only this regarding this ongoing argumentative subject......where are the pro cards? Everyone and their brother keep saying that if you take enough drugs you can be a pro. There are so MANY people in this sport that want this stuff so darn badly their whole lives are encompassed by the mirror. They live breath and sleep pro bodybuilding and their ultimate goal stupidly is an IFBB pro card over a degree in college. Hundreds upon thousands of guys like that especially on these boards. The information supposedly is right there in front of everyone. Take enough sauce and listen to these guys on message boards who continually tell you that if you blast enough of this and that and that over there you too will find bodybuilding glory. Where are the pro cards? Because I keep seeing these genetically elite black guys come out of nowhere and get pro cards instead of these muscle message board members who have been on the boards the last 10 years who know the "secret" and want bodybuilding glory.
since we are all guessing at the exact cycles of the pros...
the average pro cycle is about 3cc's per day of aas
it just makes the most sense to me.. if i had the funds to run whatever i wanted as much as i wanted.. id do one full syringe per day.. i know this thought process is going to occur in these pros..
so about 3-4 grams.
This thread is Dorian approved. :D
Dante is right to a point for sure. I know this first hand. Had three friends, one was Arab, one was black and the other an Italian guy. All worked out for years and had that swimmers look, all decided to take steroids at the same time. Just basic test, winny and deca. All took the same dose and all worked out together the same time everyday. The Italian guy blew the fuck up. His muscles swole like no tomorrow. The black guy got bigger but reall just got deeper cuts and looked like a tank and the arab guy barely grew. The fact is genetic response to drugs was the key. I don't even think if the Arab guy took three times as much that he would have matched the other two guys in size. The Italian guy responsed amazingly. it is what it is. The "elite" bodybuilders are genetic drug response freaks.
As for Dante, TRT is steroids. Calling it TRT doesn't pull this magical cloak over the fact that you are still injecting steroids and pharma quality steroids to boot. Calling it TRT but taking two needles a week of Pfizer 200mg test cyp is better than 1 gram of any UG shit out there.
Dante is the biggest bullshitter on the planet.
Nevermind this nonsense, I laugh when he gets all "folksy" about his business...which is selling as much protein as humanly possible
It's always....."yeah sorry, but i gotta raise the price on you guys.....I've been trying to keep costs down but I gotta do it guys, got no choice".....Like we're all fucking best buddies and he would give away his protein for free if he could ::) ::).
Does this guy think he's fooling anyone ?...he's trying to make a buck. Nothing wrong with that AT ALL...i just don't like the piss on my leg and tell me it's raining bullshit
Funny how a guy that sells protein fools people into believing they would need 600g of that shit each day.... ::) ::)
That's S.O.P. for BBing mags since day one, he's just following the Weider playbook, with a little grassroots DIY thrown in for some street cred ;)
Funny how a guy that sells protein fools people into believing they would need 600g of that shit each day.... ::) ::)haha..so that naive guys finish their sweetened flour in white tubes faster and come back for more.
Sure Ill comment. Thats Massive G. What does that have to do with me? I got no idea what that is about. Im a totally different individual. You would have to ask Massive G about that. You and Buselmo and Mr BMJ seem to be online friends....should I assume anything they say or recommend you do also? I wouldnt because I see you all as individuals. Now look above. You make all these assumptions of drugs used based on how Dorian Yates looked. I saw you do the same with me one time saying "obvious synthol use" in shoulders. I saw GH15 do the same with me one time stating 1500mg of testosterone a week and a bunch of tren. Im on TRT and have been for a few years. Synthol? You already know how wrong you were on that one. So if I see two individuals so very wrong regarding someone such as myself.....just imagine how wrong they are regarding someone like Yates. See I have no clue whatsoever what a certain pro bodybuilder does especially if I dont know them at all. You have no clue what a certain pro bodybuilder does and GH15 especially has no clue of what a certain pro bodybuilder does by just looking at him.A 21yo guy contacts ifbb pro guru (you will always put him in the same list with hany and such he just charges slightly less)
Do you know what every member does at Getbig does juicewise to the milligram by looking at their pictures? Does GH15? He has been so incredibly wrong on the few people I do know personally that its laughable. Ever train about 1000 people? I have. I have seen some rare super responders to gear that make your head spin. Most people dont respond like that but Ive seen a very rare few that its unbelievable. When you see certain individuals (usually black) who go from 188 pounds to 263 pounds hard as a rock in 2.5 years and you know exactly what they are doing (ahem because you know the guy who got them their stuff and they have no hook otherwise)....you have a mental door that stays open to the rare possibility that there are certain individuals that explode in training, eating and in response to drugs.
Again I think its very foolhardy to think "that guy is ripped so he must do DNP"....that guy is big so he is on insulin (most overrated compound ever in bodybuilding). Christ I got a guy now I help to put on size and he doesnt touch the stuff and everyone is commenting online about insulin with him (provides a good laugh but we dont argue the point...people will believe what they want to believe.... whats the use)
What does Ron Harris opinion have to do with my opinion? Tim Martin? I dont know Tim Martin in the least but please explain to me (and IM saying that respectively) please explain to me how a guy passes 30 blood, urine and lie detector tests over the years and doesnt get caught? I find that very hard to do. Could you pass 5 lie detector tests saying that you have never looked at online porn? Skip? Good friends with Phil, as much as I would love to broach that subject and provide some clear cut clarity, obviously it cannot be talked about (You and GH15 win! See how easy it is when the other guys cant talk about it due to friendships, no matter how very wrong he has been regarding him). Castleberry....much bigger now than as a teen, obviously took the step up (but Ive said that before haven't I?)
This is what I think you should personally do....as Ive seen you argue these points for years. I think you should go to a place (expo/seminar) where Dorian is or whatever guy you think is a liar is at and sit down with them and tell them personally your thoughts on what they are saying and let them have a chance to respond. See I have done that with alot of guys that you two have said wrong information about....when you talk to someone in person you get a good feel about who is lying and who isnt. Do you think I talk openly about anyone that I personally felt was lying to me? No i dont, thats why you dont hear about those individuals from me........ Then if you came online and said "I talked to Dorian, he told me his side of things, I stated mine....I still feel he isnt being truthful"....I would respect your opinion much more and give credence to it.
B-boy is a perfect example of all this. He let people know what he was doing prior to this year and none of you guys believed him. You all called him a liar saying there is no way he could be that big on just that small amount competing nationally. Well this year he stepped things up and went in about 8 or so pounds heavier and also was truthful with everyone again like he has been in the past and now you all believe him because it fits in with your agenda....but didnt previously.
A 21yo guy contacts ifbb pro guru (you will always put him in the same list with hany and such he just charges slightly less)
the guy pay him very well (few thousands), the guy show him his pics and write him a novel about his lifestyle and training, the ifbb pro guru send him a diet protocol containing around 6k+ cals of expensive food, high volume and high intensity training and a gear protocol containing slin, 10iu's of hgh and 2g of gear.
again the guy is only 21yo 6' at 210@6% training for just few years and taking AAS for 3 months at very low dose while he never touched orals, pretty much a baby in the bodybuilding field.
So in your opinion this kid that paid few thousands just to know what it takes suppose to run around ifbb pros at expos and ask them how much drugs they use?
Now don't get me wrong im not implying that you use the same approach, maybe because you are not an ifbb pro and most likely wont be and not much of your clients either, in other hand this ifbb pro won top pro shows, and you will most likely charm his clients at the upcoming Olympia, and when one of them will get into top 5 or even win the show, you will think to yourself that this guy is genetically elite in terms of respond to hormones and take the least drugs, but the 21yo kid will know on his own skin that it's not the reality.
So Dorian Yates was using arimidex in the early 90's according to you? I really dont need to say anything else.
Dont say anything at all...
Dont say anything at all...
interesting info as a nattie italian-heritage guy
others would be franco, lou ferrigno, gaspari, evan centopani & mike mentzer(both half), danny padilla (think), seth feroce, mark alvisi and liberatore
Now that's a real sexy bodybuilder's back. ::) ::) ::) ::)
Awesome acne development
If he could cut his bodyfat down to 30%, he might look better. :-\
its always that last 30% bf that's hardest to lose ::)
best thread on get big for a while.... hope all the newbys are soaking all this info up...8)
id love to see the look of disbelief on the faces of the likes of eddy elwood, gary taylor, ian harrison or clairmonte or any of the big brit guys from the late 80's/early 90's.
I know at least 1 of these fellows would put you on excess of 2ml per day, even upto 4ml to get you upto speed
true jim,remember ray,eddie robinson,santoriello,looked like pros almost at 18 to 20 ,late eighties all on basics i bet,,,,steroids weren illegal till november 1990. all the guys competing from in the 70's, 80's, 90's were able to easily obtain legit human grade roids cheaply and at a young age.
steroids weren illegal till november 1990. all the guys competing from in the 70's, 80's, 90's were able to easily obtain legit human grade roids cheaply and at a young age.
Haha......you know it's serious business when Dante shows up on Getbig......wasn't the last time he was here when he was making the rounds of the boards scaring everyone with the "whey apocalypse" that was coming and how everyone better stock up on all the whey they can afford before the Gatorade company buys every single ounce on the planet and the price skyrockets.
Thanks Dante, what would we ever do without you looking out for us.
Dont say anything at all...
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Dante is a typical permabulker, dude has never seen his abs in his life, i bet my ass he wears 3 layers of clothes and extra padded jackets to look "bigger". ::) ::) ::) ::)
Dont say anything at all...
LOLOLOLOL....yup...."us guys" are so lucky Dante has our protein consumption interests covered. making sure we get that 'crucial" 600 grams a day. ::) ::)
I don't eat 600 grams of protein in 4 days, and weigh 230 pounds
Haha......you know it's serious business when Dante shows up on Getbig......wasn't the last time he was here when he was making the rounds of the boards scaring everyone with the "whey apocalypse" that was coming and how everyone better stock up on all the whey they can afford before the Gatorade company buys every single ounce on the planet and the price skyrockets.ROFLMAO!!!!!
Thanks Dante, what would we ever do without you looking out for us.
ROFLMAO!!!!!
And the hits keep coming.
I have sliced up that delusional Mountebank I don`t know how many times now. Every single time he tucks tail runs and whimpers back into that shitty little corner of his he calls Intense Muscle or whatever its name is.
LOL, he seriously get his ass handed to him every time he shows up here.Hahah I have been owning him for years. Here is a post Circa 2006 from yours truly:
HAHAHAHAH According to fat, lying, Beef Rinser, Internet Hoaxer, Cult Leader, Rack Chin Queer Dante` 230 lb natural is obtainable, even 250.
hahahhahaa I hate that dude with a passion for spreading lies,making people think they can achieve an impossibility. I have asked him time and time again to find me ONE GODDAMNED PERSON that meets that criteria. 6 ft and under 220 lbs completely ripped. He can`t. Nobody can.
The sad thing is he believes its possible. And I hate the fact that you guys have given this lying clown even a sentence of press time. Pathetic.
lol doggcrapp training. What a bunch of shit. Will get you injured too. Looks like a coat hanger with a few slabs of fat hanging off it.
Hehe - one of the best threads on Getbig in a long time. ;D
x2, someone get Dorian to post here. ;D ;D ;D
dorian used exacly what i use and what any fellas over 240lb on stage 5'10 to 6'1 use...
lots of aas
lots of hgh
moderate doses of insulina that increased with time to larger doses of insulina...still not what the morons use today
diuretics to bring it all to final finish
whatever you see thee in initial stack as weekly doses...make it a daily dose and you will be closer to true bodybuild of this size doses,,
gh15 approved
Dude - you wouldn't believe - ten pages in and the amount of times I've had to stop my trigger finger from hammering away at the keyboard with my opinions on this one - I trained for over 12 years at Temple Gym and I've heard a fair few drug stories about Dorian (and others) in my time there but I'm keeping quiet on this one - most of what I've heard is just hearsay and I'm still friends with a lot of guys from there and do go back to visit every now and again so I wouldn't want to start talking shit on here with a bunch of mostly anonymous internet posters whom I don't know personally which is understandable really.
I'm as clueless about Dorian's real stack as anyone else is, but lets just say that him and Lewis are ripping the piss out of Gethin big time on this. I don't care if they all go on holiday together - Dorian ain't revealing shit about drugs to anyone and we'll never know what he really took or experimented with - he'll take that to the grave with him.
gh15 is right about insulin use anyway
I, as usual, will tell the truth, I used 120iu insulin a day (lantus and novorapid) for a month and the stomach distention I noticed was crazy
Not good, not good at all
:o :o :ogh15 is right, im blocky enough and another month of that wouldve finished me, insulin makes people blocky
gh15 is right, im blocky enough and another month of that wouldve finished me, insulin makes people blocky
I appreciate that you would die for us.... ;D ;D ;DMy blood tests always come back perfect though, fuck it ;D
gh15 is right, im blocky enough and another month of that wouldve finished me, insulin makes people blocky
how full did you get tho ?Was crazy, even bodyparts I didnt train that day were pumped
8)
Haha, I remember back in the days kids used to follow his program like slaves when it was the "new big thing"............... Thank God I never falled for those overhyped bullshit programs and just followed my own road, experimenting a LOT in the gym to find out what works the best.
Was crazy, even bodyparts I didnt train that day were pumped
I'll try :D
I don'T give a shit about getting blocky ;D
gh15 is right about insulin use anyway
I, as usual, will tell the truth, I used 120iu insulin a day (lantus and novorapid) for a month and the stomach distention I noticed was crazy
Not good, not good at all
Dorian Yates- Steroids Setting the Record Straight article about steroid use
Well I am not sure if any of you guys were able to read the new Muscular Development magazine for Oct. 2011 yet but there was a great article in there that I wanted to post a thread about. Dorian Yates writes a section in the magazine called Blood & Guts and this month the article was called Steroids- Setting the Record Straight . In this article Dorian talks openly about what he thinks of steroids and really just made me an even bigger fan of him. The guy is Smart and knows more than most would think. The article was very long so I will just put in some of the highlights for you guys. I guess he wrote this because he was tired of guys making up supposed cycles of what he used in his career and wanted to set it straight.
First Steroid Cycle
Dorian said that his first cycle was used as a tool to maintain muscle mass while dieting. This is what he used
wks 1-4 Daily 20mg of Dianabol
wks 5-8 Daily 15lmgs of Anavar and
Weekly 100mgs of Primobolan
He started at 8 wks out weighing 205. He competed at 210-212lbs. Since he lost BF% it is safe to say that he added a decent amount of Muscle mass.
Dorian also touched on these subjects
Steroids do not create Champions
What are Steroids
Who uses Steroids
How Dangerous are Steroids, and Can they be used Safely ( here he made the comment that nobody has ever died from swallowing a whole bottle of Dianabol but I guarantee you that if you swallow an entire bottle of Aspirin, you wont live to see tomorrow.)
The Mr. Olympia Cycle
Weekly
Test prop 300mgs
Parabolan 152mgs
Primobolan 500mgs
Daily
Anavar 50mgs
Growth Hormone 8iu
Off Season Stack (was usually 3 8wk cycles)
Weekly
Testosterone 750mgs
Deca-Durabolin 500mgs
Daily
Dianabol 50mgs
From the age of 21-35 Dorian didn't have more than 10 glasses of wine or alcohol. Only was up after 11:30 a few times and never was more than 5-10 minutes late for a meal. There is much more to being a champion than how much steroids or other drugs you use. Some will never get there no matter how many AAS they use.
Well this was just a summary of the article written by Dorian. If you guys want to read more pick up the latest MD magazine OCT. 2011. What does everyone think of these doses? I think it is possible with the proper dedication and great genetics.
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Dude - you wouldn't believe - ten pages in and the amount of times I've had to stop my trigger finger from hammering away at the keyboard with my opinions on this one - I trained for over 12 years at Temple Gym and I've heard a fair few drug stories about Dorian (and others) in my time there but I'm keeping quiet on this one...
You forgot his visualization techniques and "hardcore" training too.............. ::) ::) ::)
What a bunch of bullshit, so now not being "late for meals" and sleeping early made Dorian break the mass barrier? LMAO, I'm sorry but I have to just laugh my ass off.
You must believe that santa and the tooth fairy are real too. :-X
ROFLMAO!!!!!
And the hits keep coming.
I have sliced up that delusional Mountebank I don`t know how many times now. Every single time he tucks tail runs and whimpers back into that shitty little corner of his he calls Intense Muscle or whatever its name is.
Sure Ill comment. Thats Massive G. What does that have to do with me? I got no idea what that is about. Im a totally different individual. You would have to ask Massive G about that. You and Buselmo and Mr BMJ seem to be online friends....should I assume anything they say or recommend you do also? I wouldnt because I see you all as individuals. Now look above. You make all these assumptions of drugs used based on how Dorian Yates looked. I saw you do the same with me one time saying "obvious synthol use" in shoulders. I saw GH15 do the same with me one time stating 1500mg of testosterone a week and a bunch of tren. Im on TRT and have been for a few years. Synthol? You already know how wrong you were on that one. So if I see two individuals so very wrong regarding someone such as myself.....just imagine how wrong they are regarding someone like Yates. See I have no clue whatsoever what a certain pro bodybuilder does especially if I dont know them at all. You have no clue what a certain pro bodybuilder does and GH15 especially has no clue of what a certain pro bodybuilder does by just looking at him.One of the best posts I've seen on here in a while. There are definitely people who have an amazing response to gear and have superior genetics. I remember back in 86...and I hadn't done any roids in over a year..I got my hands on some sublingual 50 mg Primobolin tabs from France. I took 1 tab a day for 2 months and put on close to 15 pounds of ripped muscle. No one on this board would have believed it was possible. I got real big the next cycle doing less than 500 mg a week of juice... so I know some people can respond better than others. When I read the cycles some of the guys on here take and then they post a pic (won't mention any names)..my only two conclusions are: Either they got bunk gear or they have shit genetics.
Do you know what every member does at Getbig does juicewise to the milligram by looking at their pictures? Does GH15? He has been so incredibly wrong on the few people I do know personally that its laughable. Ever train about 1000 people? I have. I have seen some rare super responders to gear that make your head spin. Most people dont respond like that but Ive seen a very rare few that its unbelievable. When you see certain individuals (usually black) who go from 188 pounds to 263 pounds hard as a rock in 2.5 years and you know exactly what they are doing (ahem because you know the guy who got them their stuff and they have no hook otherwise)....you have a mental door that stays open to the rare possibility that there are certain individuals that explode in training, eating and in response to drugs. Again I think its very foolhardy to think "that guy is ripped so he must do DNP"....that guy is big so he is on insulin (most overrated compound ever in bodybuilding). Christ I got a guy now I help to put on size and he doesnt touch the stuff and everyone is commenting online about insulin with him (provides a good laugh but we dont argue the point...people will believe what they want to believe.... whats the use)
What does Ron Harris opinion have to do with my opinion? Tim Martin? I dont know Tim Martin in the least but please explain to me (and IM saying that respectively) please explain to me how a guy passes 30 blood, urine and lie detector tests over the years and doesnt get caught? I find that very hard to do. Could you pass 5 lie detector tests saying that you have never looked at online porn? Skip? Good friends with Phil, as much as I would love to broach that subject and provide some clear cut clarity, obviously it cannot be talked about (You and GH15 win! See how easy it is when the other guys cant talk about it due to friendships, no matter how very wrong he has been regarding him). Castleberry....much bigger now than as a teen, obviously took the step up (but Ive said that before haven't I?)
This is what I think you should personally do....as Ive seen you argue these points for years. I think you should go to a place (expo/seminar) where Dorian is or whatever guy you think is a liar is at and sit down with them and tell them personally your thoughts on what they are saying and let them have a chance to respond. See I have done that with alot of guys that you two have said wrong information about....when you talk to someone in person you get a good feel about who is lying and who isnt. Do you think I talk openly about anyone that I personally felt was lying to me? No i dont, thats why you dont hear about those individuals from me........ Then if you came online and said "I talked to Dorian, he told me his side of things, I stated mine....I still feel he isnt being truthful"....I would respect your opinion much more and give credence to it.
B-boy is a perfect example of all this. He let people know what he was doing prior to this year and none of you guys believed him. You all called him a liar saying there is no way he could be that big on just that small amount competing nationally. Well this year he stepped things up and went in about 8 or so pounds heavier and also was truthful with everyone again like he has been in the past and now you all believe him because it fits in with your agenda....but didnt previously.
One of the best posts I've seen on here in a while. There are definitely people who have an amazing response to gear and have superior genetics. I remember back in 86...and I hadn't done any roids in over a year..I got my hands on some sublingual 50 mg Primobolin tabs from France. I took 1 tab a day for 2 months and put on close to 15 pounds of ripped muscle. No one on this board would have believed it was possible. I got real big the next cycle doing less than 500 mg a week of juice... so I know some people can respond better than others. When I read the cycles some of the guys on here take and then they post a pic (won't mention any names)..my only two conclusions are: Either they got bunk gear or they have shit genetics.
If you are nasser, I get it
What is this bullshit. You already said you knew exactly who gh15 is. It was Disgusted andI was thinking the same thing
some 180lb kids, running a gimmick.
You do not know. What a surprise. ::)
I took 300mgs per week 150 eq + 150 test e and went from a bloated 235 to a hard 210 in 4 months. 300 mgs PER WEEK.
If you are nasser, I get it...I totally get it. You were known as one of the most abusive drug using bodybuilders in history. Does this sound familiar? "If all the syringes I used were thrown into this restraurant, I would be standing knee high"
...because your reputation in San Diego is awful....
What's your point? The most test I've ran is 300mg prop /week and had similar results to yours above. It's still 3 X what the average guy makes, so obviously the results will be great vs natural. I don't see how it pertains to a discussion about what high level Pro BBs use, really.
Pal- Read what THE BLUE QUOTE above my post said.
Most on this board scream that 300 mgs doesn't do shit and is a waste of time. That's THEIR TRUTH, NOT MINE.
Its relevant because the discussion is about DOSAGES. How an elite gentic freak responds to a "low level of hormones" (a gram per week) is different than how a mortal responds. Is it POSSIBLE that Yates used those dosages? Possible. Is it likely? Probably not.
Fair enough and I agree.
I took 300mgs per week 150 eq + 150 test e and went from a bloated 235 to a hard 210 in 4 months. 300 mgs PER WEEK.
I also send free products by the boatload to people in need, cancer patients and people who need my business partner and my help.
you just have burned so many bridges with various individuals that you are hated. When one guy says another guy is a jerk my notion is there are two sides to the story. When 35 people tell you that guy is a jackass, no doubt that guy is a jackass.
lol dante "sold computer software" for several years and then goes on to draw a line in the sand between he and his friends and those who "just aren't good people"
you stupid fuck, you can't even figure out the difference between "your" and "you're," what business does a "good person" like yourself have selling fucking computer software?
LOL! can you imagine taking computing advice from this bloofy shithead?
Oh, and this part is even better:
HAHAHAH who NEEDS SUPPLEMENTS?! i can see it now: scores of cancer patients sitting on their deathbeds, staring out the window with forlorn looks, wondering when father dante is finally going to come through with the synthetic goat's milk extract that had henceforth somehow evaded the clutches of their healthcare provider!
give me a fucking break LOLOL!
so how many people crying "fraud" does it take to convince you? i'm pretty sure this thread will have your quota covered...
What is this bullshit. You already said you knew exactly who gh15 is. It was Disgusted and
some 180lb kids, running a gimmick.
You do not know. What a surprise. ::)
Actually to be honest, I dont read this drivel over here on a regular basis. I like to deal with REAL PEOPLE not gimmicks. Who do I even start with?
Flinstones Let me get your facts straight for you because you have your dates mixed up badly.
1) Cycles for pennies = 1999. I was working in building materials and selling software in 1999 and for the next 4-5 years. Again, can you please track down a bunch of posts I have made were I have ever told people that they must buy protein from Trueprotein? Oh there isnt any? Oh thats right because I have never pushed people to buy protein powder....if you paid any kind of attention I believe i recommended Optimum Nutritions whey isolate in cycles for pennies....does recommending Optimum Nutritions Whey Isolate make me money? Please explain how? Capsulized products that you make for 5 dollars and sell for 39.95 to 69.95 with fancy marketing and glittery labels make you a millionaire, not a heavy powder that costs a few bucks less per pound than what you sell it for.
2) I make money by manufacturing capsulized/liquid/and powder products for other supplement companies, some of them arent even in the genre of bodybuilding. (Health, geriactric, digestion). So be mad at their advertising .....because of the posts Ive put online over the last decade I would say 1% (and that might be high)....have anything to do with supplements, and I do that for a reason...because I know there is a conflict of interest and I avoid it.
3) What do i do for my fellow man in bodybuilding? I pay them money. There isnt a supplement owner on this globe that writes out more checks to his customers than I do. Research it. I do it every single month. I also send free products by the boatload to people in need, cancer patients and people who need my business partner and my help. I personally send/give 1000 dollar checks anonymously to various GOOD people in bodybuilding who are going thru tough times. I think Ive done that now about 12 times in the last few years. So since I know I would never recommend to a 16 year old 160 pound kid to take in 600 grams of protein.....I fault you for not using deductive reasoning and instead being OCD and taking in 600 grams of protein when it was never recommended that you should....just like I fault a young 20 something kid who has one cycle under his belt and doesnt even know how to aspirate giving steroid advice on this board (which is also you isnt it? Seems to me you have a pattern of doing pretty dumb things on your own valition)
Okami Oh gee whiz....a picture is put up of me from 2002 all bulked up with no place to go...Oh no what shall I do? Unlike most of you guys who hide under gimmicks....I could really give a crap at taking a pic at various times over the last 20 something years. (Below) Sometimes I was big, sometimes I was fat, sometimes I was lean, sometimes skinny, hell pre 2003 I even had hair.....When you go from 137 to 303 and dont use the drugs like you guys recommend, there is alot of experimentation with food and training along the way. But you guys wouldnt know about that way of doing things would you?
Adonis, I cant even comment on your stuff....your act is so played out. I refused to train you way back on mayhem and its bothered you ever since. Ive always told you I help good people in the sport...your not one of them. Ever notice that my friends are always the guys that are noted as being quality people in the sport (Hanshaw, Harris, etc...) There is a reason for that and your the opposite of that equation.
GH15 you wish me harm? LOL Because I disagree with your opinion? Lets see....you tell people to do all these drugs and insulin in a way with no regard for their health that a few years down the road a great many of them could have dire problems. While I give them the option of well if you want to play russian roullette with your health thats your choice to do so....but if you care greatly about your health, here are some healthier options to try. What do you think that huge dosage equipoise amount you recommend to people might do to the wrong guys hematocrit? Thats a blood clot waiting to happen. If you are nasser, I get it...I totally get it. You were known as one of the most abusive drug using bodybuilders in history. Does this sound familiar? "If all the syringes I used were thrown into this restraurant, I would be standing knee high"....your former buddy (what was his name Pappas/white truck?)....So no doubt human nature is if you used more drugs than virtually anyone outside of Titus in the modern bodybuilding era, you have an axe to grind. I dont know you personally, I have never wanted to from what Ive heard from way too many sources to count...because your reputation in San Diego is awful....one of the most disliked individuals around with a trail of burnt friends and associates a mile long. What happened to all your friends (that arent fans of yours?) From various trainers at Frogs in Solana beach and Cardiff to general managers at various gyms around....you have to be one of the most despised (forget pro bodybuilder I can just use the word) people around....and its not a jealousy thing with people towards a pro bodybuilder....you just have burned so many bridges with various individuals that you are hated. When one guy says another guy is a jerk my notion is there are two sides to the story. When 35 people tell you that guy is a jackass, no doubt that guy is a jackass. I went into a gym the other day and the general manager of it asks "Do you know Nasser?"...I reply "I know of him"....he then politely tells me yet another Nasser story of a bridge you burned (and this guy isnt a bodybuilder in the least).....From Dave, John and Brian Killion (who almost beat your ass at Frogs back a few years ago), and too numerous to count people around San Diego, I get it....it is what it is...some people just arent "good people".....your actions toward various people in the sport and around San Diego precede you...if thats the legacy you want so be it....your doing a great job of being the bitter drug abusing ex pro bodybuilder who has a very clouded sense of self importance. Clarity: your just a guy who got up onstage in posing trunks and was very good at it...in the grand scheme of things its about as important as the guy who unclogs the toilet. (This is where you do that 5 paragraph thing again of how you are this and that and top of the food chain, scrambling off into trenbolona and whatever else) ..... when you get done typing that up for the 2000th time remember to turn to the mirror and think "wow Im a 46 year old man writing this"
I just went from a fairly solid...(so i thought), 248 ......to 230 at 7% bf in less than a month. on 250 mg test and 200 mg tren e. i look like a different person.
as a matter of fact, a good buddy of mine said those EXACT words to me last week, as i haven't see him in three months, he was in Seattle for the summer...he said "you used to be this big, massive bruiser with the thick neck....ugh...now you're all shredded and your face is chiseled...you look like a different person"
Can someone scan and post the article ?
I live in a third world country and there is now MD here.
So Dorian Yates was using arimidex in the early 90's according to you? I really dont need to say anything else.
HAHAHAH who NEEDS SUPPLEMENTS?! i can see it now: scores of cancer patients sitting on their deathbeds, staring out the window with forlorn looks, wondering when father dante is finally going to come through with the synthetic goat's milk extract that had henceforth somehow evaded the clutches of their healthcare provider!
it was patented in 1989
so it was around in early 90s easily
ultimate combo to get dead dry back then was
aminogluthemid+anastrozol+roacutan+long and short term diuretics (+ drosta, tren, prop, fluxy+ stop drinking one day out, carbing up until 2 days out then stop + just maintain to stage)
thats what andy did too
not dificult but obviously not healthy too
highdef of dorian and andy was never reached again
He's also sent whey protein to aids victims, what a hero.
Careful bro Danta doesn't like reality and truth
sorry ;)
btw. who is Denta? is he a getbig mod?
DoggCrapp = danta, dente, dirty lying bastard ;D
ok, thanksAgree - to many of them in this industry >:(
but i dont care about him if he s a liar
nobody should listn to liars
Markus Johannes "Mischa" Wolf (19 January 1923 – 9 November 2006) was head of the General Intelligence Administration (Hauptverwaltung Aufklärung), the foreign intelligence division of East Germany's Ministry for State Security (MfS, commonly known as the Stasi). He was the MfS's number two for 34 years, which spanned most of the Cold War. Many intelligence experts regard him as one of the greatest spy masters of all time.
He's dead bra