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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: musclecenter on November 24, 2007, 02:10:26 AM
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A few pics from the day after Thanksgiving 2007 with the Champ
Kerry and Jay dancing. They were in a great mood.
(Photos courtesy of flexonline.com (http://flexonline.com),and Thanks to MADMAX6)
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more pics :) :)
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The bottom pic of Jay is dying to be photoshopped.
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The bottom pic of Jay is dying to be photoshopped.
Was just gonna say that. :)
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The bottom pic of Jay is dying to be photoshopped.
lol there are a number of things that can be done with it ;D
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offseason!
i like bob chick. he is a funny guy ;)
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Damn...I figured a Mr. Olympia would have a better look'n wife than that. :-\
Remember that she was a nurse, which makes her an old pro at injections. A match made in heaven.
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mr & ms cutler
(http://www.artfund.org/images/artwork/004898_012433_0.jpg)
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Tom Prince with Jay N Bob...............
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That is really pathetic and sad at the same time :-\
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Tom Prince with Jay N Bob...............
I feel so sorry for Tom.
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sweet jesus she is ugly
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jays arm is bigger than tom haha
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Tom Prince with Jay N Bob...............
Tom looks about 250 in that pic.
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Tom looks about 250 in that pic.
what, ounces?
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Tom Prince with Jay ...............
;D ;D
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tom prince, being the 120 lb bottom queen that he is now, still has the balls to wear those gay ass affliction shirts.
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Tom has been to this site:
http://www.drinkdeeplyanddream.com/realvampire/turned.html
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;D ;D
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;D ;D
brutal pale skin, monster receeding hairline, epic wearing of two layers of clothes to appear bigger
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;D ;D
Tom needs the Milos shakes, When are they coming out with a nubain flavor?
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According to Flex Jan,2004 by Greg Merritt http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_11_21/ai_111506233 (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_11_21/ai_111506233)
In 2003, Tom Prince's life nearly ended. This is his story - Personal Drama - Interview
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brutal pale skin, monster receeding hairline, epic wearing of two layers of clothes to appear bigger
He really looks perfectly healty...
Thanks guys for the images.
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Tom Prince in early 2000s
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;D ;D
Is it me or Does Prince and Chad Mower Look like twins??? Look to be about the same size too!!
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Is Tom Prince sick or something?
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Damn...I figured a Mr. Olympia would have a better look'n wife than that. :-\
Well, they were dating and/or married before he became Mr. O. Nonetheless, I agee with you.
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with these pictures of Tom P straight out of ethiopia, i surpsised chick isn't here backing his
claims that Tom is "a lean 250lbs and trying to lose muscle on purpose"
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Damn Tom is small nowadays.
Why couldn't he switch to natural training and still maintain some size
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wtf is wrong with you guys.
tom said he would retire and easily maintain a lean 250 naturally.
so there he is, 250lbs lean...
it's just that jay and bob are each over 450lbs that makes tom look on the small side.
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Tom looks about 250 in that pic.
That's a $10,000 bet I'd take. :D
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Well, they were dating and/or married before he became Mr. O. Nonetheless, I agee with you.
I think mrs. cuts looks hot in those pics...I wouldn't throw her out of bed
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Is that really Prince? I knew he had lost some size but he looks sickly (as my grandmother would say). Does he still do dialysis or does he just not care about what he looks like?
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prove he never built a natural base before going on the juice, all drugs case.
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Welcome to natural bodybuilding MR PRINCE 8)
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i'm sure tom doesnt give a shit about actually working out anymore...he is one of the best "gurus" around now, so dont hate on the guy jeez.
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i'm sure tom doesnt give a shit about actually working out anymore...he is one of the best "gurus" around now, so dont hate on the guy jeez.
I'm not hating, just really curious. For a guy that made his living by working out (and if he is a "guru" now), it seems a stretch that he "doesn't give a shit about actually working out anymore".
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yeah he could have looked still pretty good, the man had lots of muscle. damn shame he lost everything.
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I think mrs. cuts looks hot in those pics...I wouldn't throw her out of bed
I wouldnt throw her out of bed either, but I guess people think because hes Mr. O, he should be dating a hot piece of ass. Granted, his wife isnt bad looking by any means.
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most beautiful pieces have absolute nothing to say at all.
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What are you guys talking about?
Kerry is very pretty. She is probably one of the prettiest pro wives I have seen. I think they are cute. They really look happy together, and they are still cutesy together after so long together.
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wow a "guru" that screwed up his kidneys so badly that he weighs 150lbs and claims that the size reduction was "on purpose"
where do i sign up?
i'm sure tom doesnt give a shit about actually working out anymore...he is one of the best "gurus" around now, so dont hate on the guy jeez.
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Bob Chic,
In the past, you've consistently posted that Prince weighs 220 or 230, etc.
In your opinion, what does Tom Prince weigh today?
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To all the smart guys here making retarded comments:
Tom has been on dialisys for the last few years now....he can't train much (as it makes it worse for his health)...can't take in much protein (ditto)...and is focusing on their business and staying healthy...
He's always been ghostly white...nothing different there....isn't wearing a "affliction" shirt...it's a new "Max Muscle" shirt Dave had him throw on for a pic.
He doesn't care about being big anymore, doesn't come on the boards, and isn't going to see any of the ignorant comments being made by some of you....
And if anyone else thinks they'll be "looking large" sandwiched between me and Jay....by all means...come on down to MM next time Jay's in town and we'll be sure to post your pic right here on Getbig....
BTW...while you're there....BUY SOMETHING!!
One more thing...anymore degrading comments on Jay's wife, and I'll not only delete your post, but your entire account as well....maybe some of you vets of the board can explain to the rookies/ noobs...why that is.
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He really looks perfectly healty...
tell that to the poor guys kidneys ::)
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holy shit, Prince looks to be literally 138 pounds here. :o
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To all the smart guys here making retarded comments:
Tom has been on dialisys for the last few years now....he can't train much (as it makes it worse for his health)...can't take in much protein (ditto)...and is focusing on their business and staying healthy...
He's always been ghostly white...nothing different there....isn't wearing a "affliction" shirt...it's a new "Max Muscle" shirt Dave had him throw on for a pic.
He doesn't care about being big anymore, doesn't come on the boards, and isn't going to see any of the ignorant comments being made by some of you....
And if anyone else thinks they'll be "looking large" sandwiched between me and Jay....by all means...come on down to MM next time Jay's in town and we'll be sure to post your pic right here on Getbig....
BTW...while you're there....BUY SOMETHING!!
One more thing...anymore degrading comments on Jay's wife, and I'll not only delete your post, but your entire account as well....maybe some of you vets of the board can explain to the rookies/ noobs...why that is.
What does Tom Prince weigh these days, Bob?
TYou usd to constantly tell us he weighed 220+.
Now you won't answer? Your silence speaks volumes!
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To all the smart guys here making retarded comments:
Tom has been on dialisys for the last few years now....he can't train much (as it makes it worse for his health)...can't take in much protein (ditto)...and is focusing on their business and staying healthy...
He's always been ghostly white...nothing different there....isn't wearing a "affliction" shirt...it's a new "Max Muscle" shirt Dave had him throw on for a pic.
He doesn't care about being big anymore, doesn't come on the boards, and isn't going to see any of the ignorant comments being made by some of you....
And if anyone else thinks they'll be "looking large" sandwiched between me and Jay....by all means...come on down to MM next time Jay's in town and we'll be sure to post your pic right here on Getbig....
BTW...while you're there....BUY SOMETHING!!
One more thing...anymore degrading comments on Jay's wife, and I'll not only delete your post, but your entire account as well....maybe some of you vets of the board can explain to the rookies/ noobs...why that is.
I agree she supports her husband which is probably a lot more than many guys here can say about their women. Prince was a dick on these boards though and people won't forget that.
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What does Tom Prince weigh these days, Bob?
TYou usd to constantly tell us he weighed 220+.
Now you won't answer? Your silence speaks volumes!
I don't know...we didn't weigh him when he walked in.
When he was 220, I told you he was 220...now he's lighter.
Tom doesn't care what he weighs...WHY DO YOU??
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lol..Seriously, wth are they asking for, obviously he doesnt care and he is doing other stuff with his life..
FOlks dont comprehend on this board that when you dont workout and do other stuff, you wont look the same as you did prior..it is odd to see, but thats how it goes.
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I don't know...we didn't weigh him when he walked in.
When he was 220, I told you he was 220...now he's lighter.
Tom doesn't care what he weighs...WHY DO YOU??
Tom does care, or he wouldn't have made such a big deal about it when he supposedly weighed 230.
Tom does care, or he wouldn't be wering multiple and long sleeve shirts in these pics when it's 75 degrees out.
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I have to say that it's really sad that most people today only find pleasure in putting other people down, I know it's not just here on this board but it still applies. I took a pic of Tom because I had not seen him for a while and I was glad he showed up while Jay and Bob hapenned to be in the shop already. If i was him and I knew what you guys were saying, I'd say no next time. BTW Bob called it as he said that the Peanut Gallery would talk smack about TP's weight, boy does he know you guys. LOL!!
Goofs.
Max.
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I have to say that it's really sad that most people today only find pleasure in putting other people down, I know it's not just here on this board but it still applies. I took a pic of Tom because I had not seen him for a while and I was glad he showed up while Jay and Bob hapenned to be in the shop already. If i was him and I knew what you guys were saying, I'd say no next time. BTW Bob called it as he said that the Peanut Gallery would talk smack about TP's weight, boy does he know you guys. LOL!!
Goofs.
Max.
in all fairness Dave Tom brought a lot of that on himself with his attitude.
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in all fairness Dave Tom brought a lot of that on himself with his attitude.
I 100% agree with SF.
It's good to see Tom relatively healthy, but do you think the "peanut gallery" would act 1/2 this bad if Tom didn't act the way he did?
It's the Getbig Law of Reciprocation
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more pics :) :)
Nice pose, BOB. give us a double biceps instead
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I 100% agree with SF.
It's good to see Tom relatively healthy, but do you think the "peanut gallery" would act 1/2 this bad if Tom didn't act the way he did?
It's the Getbig Law of Reciprocation
i also want to say that i IN NO WAY AM SAYING that Tom deserved to run into health problems, i don't wish that on anyone except for people who harm children.
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Tom does care, or he wouldn't have made such a big deal about it when he supposedly weighed 230.
Tom does care, or he wouldn't be wering multiple and long sleeve shirts in these pics when it's 75 degrees out.
No...it's guys like YOU that cared...as you continue to bring it up. Tom said from day one that he would maintain what he could and hope to slim down as time progressed as it'snot healthy for him to weigh that much and carry that muscle....
You're obsessed, not him.
He also wasn't wearing "multiple layers"...he had ONE shirt on he wore to workout. DAVE asked him to put on one of the new shirts to take a pic...he put it on over the one he had on......
Don't you feel dumber than you already are, now?
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I don't know what Tom said in the past as I used to not come here that often. What I do know is that there is a lot of negative comments on this board but when called on it, people just say they are just goofing off and peeps should be able to take it. I don't know, seems like a pattern to me.
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I don't know what Tom said in the past as I used to not come here that often. What I do know is that there is a lot of negative comments on this board but when called on it, people just say they are just goofing off and peeps should be able to take it. I don't know, seems like a pattern to me.
Don't waste your time Dave....just a bunch of Marooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo ns!! ;D
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I feel so sorry for Tom.
why feel sorry for Tom? I'm sure he's enjoying his life past and beyond bodybuilding. thank God he's still alive. others were not as fortunate as him, and yes, several years ago, Tom would have looked like a freaking Barn door between those two guys. He's moved on long time ago. We all know what happened. Let's be glad for him instead
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I vividly recall TP accosting me for questioning his statement that he could not get under 250 lbs after he retired, those of us posting long enough to remember "The thing" know he blew up on multiple occasions,...but, seeing those pictures, I just feel bad for the guy and hope he's in good health;
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Cutler is living the good life. I am quite confident he'll win next year, but then I hope he retires and goes out on top. It was sad seeing Ronnie decline like that. Cutler is no Coleman in terms of longterm greatness and impact on the sport, and seeing another Mr O slide down would suck.
Max, when TP was here, he used to be one of the most cruel people you'd ever see. Ask him about those days.
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Cutler is living the good life. I am quite confident he'll win next year, but then I hope he retires and goes out on top. It was sad seeing Ronnie decline like that. Cutler is no Coleman in terms of longterm greatness and impact on the sport, and seeing another Mr O slide down would suck.
Max, when TP was here, he used to be one of the most cruel people you'd ever see. Ask him about those days.
So were you...
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Cutler must be thankful that he can have sex with his wife's nostrils.
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According to Flex Jan,2004 by Greg Merritt http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_11_21/ai_111506233 (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_11_21/ai_111506233)
In 2003, Tom Prince's life nearly ended. This is his story - Personal Drama - Interview
HE ALMOST DIED FOR US BITCHES!! :o
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So were you...
No he wasn't. He was only mean to pro bb'ers, not actual people. ::)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=182377.0;attach=214785;image)
"Hi, I'm IFBB Professional Bodybuilder Tom Prince, and I'm here to tell you that drugs are nothing more than a 'finishing touch' in building a pro's physique. Pro bodybuilding is 98% training, diet, and muscletech, and less than 2% drugs. The drugs really aren't that important."
-TP, 2003
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(http://www.impawards.com/1996/posters/stephen_kings_thinner.jpg)
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I have to say that it's really sad that most people today only find pleasure in putting other people down, I know it's not just here on this board but it still applies. I took a pic of Tom because I had not seen him for a while and I was glad he showed up while Jay and Bob hapenned to be in the shop already. If i was him and I knew what you guys were saying, I'd say no next time. BTW Bob called it as he said that the Peanut Gallery would talk smack about TP's weight, boy does he know you guys. LOL!!
Goofs.
Max.
Were you in any of the pics, or did you spend most of your time in the back whacking off to pics of your hero Jay?
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=182377.0;attach=214785;image)
"Hi, I'm IFBB Professional Bodybuilder Tom Prince, and I'm here to tell you that drugs are nothing more than a 'finishing touch' in building a pro's physique. Pro bodybuilding is 98% training, diet, and muscletech, and less than 2% drugs. The drugs really aren't that important."
-TP, 2003
Give him a break. He can't train as hard anymore because he no longer has access to advil.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=182377.0;attach=214785;image)
"Hi, I'm IFBB Professional Bodybuilder Tom Prince, and I'm here to tell you that drugs are nothing more than a 'finishing touch' in building a pro's physique. Pro bodybuilding is 98% training, diet, and muscletech, and less than 2% drugs. The drugs really aren't that important."
-TP, 2003
please tell me tom didn't really say that?
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I remember many many MANY posts about TP bragging how he could maintain 240-50lbs and have to TRY to lose muscle to maintain his health.
If it weren't for those types of comments that TP would consistently make on here, MM, and BB.com boards, I'm sure people would not be so quick to point out how small Tom is currently.
I don't think it really has anything to do with his health, or that they want him to die- but with this crowd I would not be surprised.
TP had a certain "charm" about his posts. Always degrading to many people on many boards.
Again, if TP didn't have his attitude, I'm sure people everywhere would treat him differently.
You reap what you sow. :-\
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please tell me tom didn't really say that?
He absolutely did. That's what makes this so funny. ;D
(I think I added the "muscletech" part, but the rest was pretty much a direct quote.)
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Advil is a hell of a drug.
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I don't know what Tom said in the past as I used to not come here that often. What I do know is that there is a lot of negative comments on this board but when called on it, people just say they are just goofing off and peeps should be able to take it. I don't know, seems like a pattern to me.
In Prince's particular case we're not "just goofing off", Max, we really don't like the guy.
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;D
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Cutler must be thankful that he can have sex with his wife's nostrils.
you're a fine one to talk about nostrils.
if your nose was upside down it would make twin toilet seats.
mrs Cutler is a fine woman and a good wife to jay.
good to see a loving quality relationship in a sport that isn't conducive to this end.
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;D
You forgot the one in Chick's hand, the one near his mouth. :D
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Methinks Tom Prince would make an excellent guest on BIG NATION. Can one of my expediters please help make this happen! Thanks!
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;D
Does that turn you on fatty? I noticed you like to do lots of photoshops with penis's all over the place.
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Methinks Tom Prince would make an excellent guest on BIG NATION. Can one of my expediters please help make this happen! Thanks!
Yep. Only problem is, it will take less than 5 minutes to get him to completely melt down and hang up, then what do you do with the other 55 minutes of the show? ;D
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You forgot the one in Chick's hand, the one near his mouth. :D
Actually I started to but took it off. I know how Leafy Bug saves these pics and jacks off with them and I just don't want my buddy Chic to be part of it. Leafy Slug is one of those openly gay guys and he scares me. Nothing like having a gay, skinny pussy following you around the internet. He is a half-wit with a computer, that makes him tough to beat.
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Actually I started to but took it off. I know how Leafy Bug saves these pics and jacks off with them and I just don't want my buddy Chic to be part of it. Leafy Slug is one of those openly gay guys and he scares me. Nothing like having a gay, skinny pussy following you around the internet. He is a half-wit with a computer, that makes him tough to beat.
Hahahah this coming from an obese guy going through a mid life crisis who photoshops pictures of penis's on muscle men. Hahahah man even the voice inside your head has a gay lisp. Listen to the way you talk man. Just admit you are gay and get over it already.
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I remember many many MANY posts about TP bragging how he could maintain 240-50lbs and have to TRY to lose muscle to maintain his health.
Tom said he thought it would be IMPOSSIBLE for him to get below 230lbs even if he stopped training completely and only ate 100 grams of protein per day. This was because he weighed that much as a natural.
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Damn! Prince looking small!
But seriously, he's lucky to be alive and people who think it's funny to slag off Jay's wife for not being "hot enough" are usually the ones who are single and are lucky if they've ever had any pussy in their lives....
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He absolutely did. That's what makes this so funny. ;D
(I think I added the "muscletech" part, but the rest was pretty much a direct quote.)
The way I read that post, on bb.com, was that EVERY bodybuilder was already on similar drug stacks so that wouldn't be a deciding factor in success. So the difference between pros and others' wouldn't be the drugs since everybody is already on them. Read that way he had a point.
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Tom said he thought it would be IMPOSSIBLE for him to get below 230lbs even if he stopped training completely and only ate 100 grams of protein per day. This was because he weighed that much as a natural.
I remember all those posts. However, when you go over to MM and look for them, they've all been deleted.
I also came across another post where he claims that he was 242 before gear, and at MM, he posted he was 246 when he turned pro. I guess using gear he only put on 4lbs of muscle? :D
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To all the smart guys here making retarded comments:
Tom has been on dialisys for the last few years now....he can't train much (as it makes it worse for his health)...can't take in much protein (ditto)...and is focusing on their business and staying healthy...
He's always been ghostly white...nothing different there....isn't wearing a "affliction" shirt...it's a new "Max Muscle" shirt Dave had him throw on for a pic.
He doesn't care about being big anymore, doesn't come on the boards, and isn't going to see any of the ignorant comments being made by some of you....
And if anyone else thinks they'll be "looking large" sandwiched between me and Jay....by all means...come on down to MM next time Jay's in town and we'll be sure to post your pic right here on Getbig....
BTW...while you're there....BUY SOMETHING!!
One more thing...anymore degrading comments on Jay's wife, and I'll not only delete your post, but your entire account as well....maybe some of you vets of the board can explain to the rookies/ noobs...why that is.
Tom Prince should be thanking my uncle for saving his life. He's the dude who co-invented the dialysis machine. I just had thanksgiving with him.
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I remember all those posts. However, when you go over to MM and look for them, they've all been deleted.
I also came across another post where he claims that he was 242 before gear, and at MM, he posted he was 246 when he turned pro. I guess using gear he only put on 4lbs of muscle? :D
He was most certainly on gear, IMO, in the locker room pic which he claimed was before gear.
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I remember all those posts. However, when you go over to MM and look for them, they've all been deleted.
I also came across another post where he claims that he was 242 before gear, and at MM, he posted he was 246 when he turned pro. I guess using gear he only put on 4lbs of muscle? :D
Might want to check your math skills....
TP was a whopping 315 lbs. at his heaviest (which I'm sure didn't help in the long run...) and over 260 on stage at his last few shows.
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Tom Prince should be thanking my uncle for saving his life. He's the dude who co-invented the dialysis machine. I just had thanksgiving with him.
Many have played a role in developing dialysis as a practical treatment for renal failure, starting with Thomas Graham of Glasgow, who first presented the principles of solute transport across a semipermeable membrane in 1854.[2] The artificial kidney was first developed by Abel, Rountree and Turner in 1913,[3] the first Peritoneal Dialysis was by Georg Ganter (1923),[4]the first hemodialysis in a human being was by Hass (February 28, 1924)[5] and the artificial kidney was developed into a clinically useful apparatus by Kolff in 1943 - 1945.[6] This research showed that life could be prolonged in patients dying of renal failure. Yet, the technical problems associated with blood access or access to the peritoneum made dialysis limited to patients with acute renal failure until 1960 (though a chronic renal failure patient was treated in 1956 with peritoneal dialysis[7]). In 1960 work on subcutaneous arteriovenous shunt (a plastic tube connected to an artery and a vein) by Scribner and Quinton made hemodialysis available as a treatment for people with chronic renal failure.[8].
Seems to me the first dialysis machine was invented betwen 1943-45. Your uncle must be OLD.
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I feel for Tom in these pics. He can say he doesn't care all he wants but I KNOW what this scenario does to you upstairs and it sucks to feel like you should let your time stay in the past. If he were to work out too much his Creatinine, BUN, CPK and liver enzymes would all severely elevate and he would lose MORE weight. As it is, I'm sure his body is in a CONSTANTLY catabolic state and weight gain is probably close to impossible for him. I was here when Tom was throwing his little 'higher than thou', tantrums, but the guy is walking wounded and he has enough to deal with without the taunts. Hope he can honestly enjoy the rest of his life like that. I know I have a hard time with it.
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Might want to check your math skills....
TP was a whopping 315 lbs. at his heaviest (which I'm sure didn't help in the long run...) and over 260 on stage at his last few shows.
Might want to check your reading skills! I don't have a problem with you Chick, but damn sometimes you get out of line.
Read again....TP said he was 242 when he started gear. When he turned pro a few years later, he was 246. Notice I did NOT say when he retired. ;)
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The way I read that post, on bb.com, was that EVERY bodybuilder was already on similar drug stacks so that wouldn't be a deciding factor in success. So the difference between pros and others' wouldn't be the drugs since everybody is already on them. Read that way he had a point.
The post I'm talking about was made here, not on bb.com, and as it was part of a long thread on the subject, he made clear that's not what he meant. He was clearly trying to say that 98% of his muscular develepment he would have had naturally anyway through his genetics, training, and food... gear only added a very little bit.
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I remember many many MANY posts about TP bragging how he could maintain 240-50lbs and have to TRY to lose muscle to maintain his health.
If it weren't for those types of comments that TP would consistently make on here, MM, and BB.com boards, I'm sure people would not be so quick to point out how small Tom is currently.
I don't think it really has anything to do with his health, or that they want him to die- but with this crowd I would not be surprised.
TP had a certain "charm" about his posts. Always degrading to many people on many boards.
Again, if TP didn't have his attitude, I'm sure people everywhere would treat him differently.
You reap what you sow. :-\
He did have to "try" and lose the muscle....it's called "not training". He attempted to maintain a 3-4 day regimine at first...then was advised that the amount of muscle he was maintaining was having a negative effect on his treatments....
The people acting like assholes that he responded to in-kind...reaped what they sowed.
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Seems to me the first dialysis machine was invented betwen 1943-45. Your uncle must be OLD.
His name is Eli Friedman and I think he invented the portable dialysis machine.
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Does Jay ever wear a shirt with sleeves?
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He's doing well...he and his wife run a property managment business which has taken off quite big over the last few years...keeps himself in shape with a few workouts a week...
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I have to say that it's really sad that most people today only find pleasure in putting other people down, I know it's not just here on this board but it still applies. I took a pic of Tom because I had not seen him for a while and I was glad he showed up while Jay and Bob hapenned to be in the shop already. If i was him and I knew what you guys were saying, I'd say no next time. BTW Bob called it as he said that the Peanut Gallery would talk smack about TP's weight, boy does he know you guys. LOL!!
Goofs.
Max.
Another reason why GETBIG.com is the most wildly popular bodybuilding chat forum on Earth.
I agree with BOB-O, though...the comments on Mrs. Cutler are even below Getbigs' standards of decency. I am all for Getbig being cut-throat and BRUTAL with an everything geos spirit but people's spouses should be against the little code of conduct we have on here.
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The people acting like assholes that he responded to in-kind...reaped what they sowed.
Tom shot all kinds of shit into his body for years in a quest to be "big", and it fried his kidneys. He reaped what he sowed.
He almost died for us bitches! :o
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http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7408&page=4&pp=20
Thread is still there
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Are you another one of those Jews? Damn board's being overrun with them. ::)
hahahaha my cousins are but I'm not. I'm a lifelong atheist recently turned spiritualist. No religion, just a different belief of life and the universe.
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Here's the quote... just goes to show you how delusional he was/is:
TLEILAXUTANK: Don't kid myself? OK.. let's just go with the facts.
1. I was 225 at the beginning of my senior year in HIGH SCHOOL.
2. I was 242 after one year of training, and I was NATURAL.
3. In June of 1998, after 6 months of not touching a weight (I had shoulder surgery that year), or eating more than 3 meals a day, I moved to Santa Monica, California, weighing 255 pounds.
So, MY evidence that getting down to 235 for me will be difficult, is based on past experienece, and what I know about myself.
I could almost guarantee, that even eating 100 grams of protein a day, it would take me 10 years to drop below 250 if I keep weight training. No QUESTION about it. The last time I weighed below 250 in the off-season.. I was 22 years old.
The ONLY way I could do it, is to stop doing EVERYTHING. No training, little food, and natural (of course). Sorry, that's not going to happen.
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BOOOOOOOOOM!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=182377.0;attach=214782;image)
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TP looks like a heroin junkie or an AIDS victim in the above pic. And to think he was worried it would take him 10 years to get down below 250. ::)
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Well, reading that old quote (above) from Tom Prince . . . in Tom's defense at least he didn't guarantee anything. He just said he could "almost guarantee."
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I feel for Tom in these pics. He can say he doesn't care all he wants but I KNOW what this scenario does to you upstairs and it sucks to feel like you should let your time stay in the past. If he were to work out too much his Creatinine, BUN, CPK and liver enzymes would all severely elevate and he would lose MORE weight. As it is, I'm sure his body is in a CONSTANTLY catabolic state and weight gain is probably close to impossible for him. I was here when Tom was throwing his little 'higher than thou', tantrums, but the guy is walking wounded and he has enough to deal with without the taunts. Hope he can honestly enjoy the rest of his life like that. I know I have a hard time with it.
You feeling better Chino? :-\
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hahahaha my cousins are but I'm not. I'm a lifelong atheist recently turned spiritualist. No religion, just a different belief of life and the universe.
If your uncle is full-on Joobie, you're at least 1/2.
Here... please affix this to you avatar. The nice men from State Security will be around to collect you shortly:
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at least tom looks younger,skin good and thin,how about if he was db chinned and fat ...and u now have seen the two extremes he has sported,some wish him well and others don't.i say at least he's healthy and not jeopardizing his life .
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Seems to me the first dialysis machine was invented betwen 1943-45. Your uncle must be OLD.
Goatboy, I thought Basile invented dialysis?
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Tom, what weight/bodyfat level would you like to settle at?
I'm thinking 235-240 at around 6% bodyfat.
It's going to be difficult to get DOWN to 235. I'm not sure if I can do it, and keep lifting weights at the same time. I may have to quit doing everything but cardio to get to that. Even being 100% clean, if I weight train 3 days a week, doing 3-4 sets per bodypart, I'm worried that I won't be able to drop below 255-260.
Should be a fun challange.
don't kid yourself, TP, if you don't consume as much protein and cals you will go catabolic and shrivel like a raisin if you so desire...
--I'm sure chad's wife can give you a few pointers too!
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Goatboy, I thought Basile invented dialysis?
Very true. Vince Basile did invent dialysis, but he is a modest man, so he used a pseudonym on the patent application.
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are you implying that "tleauxiltank" looks Iranian in that picture, Matt?
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are you implying that "tleauxiltank" looks Iranian in that picture, Matt?
I'm implying that tleilaxutank is goatboy's brother in law. ;D
nononono enough of this crap.
1) prince was never ever NEVER over 200lb naturally and i mean NEVER. you need to get it in your head once and for all.
2) prince was on hormones when he touched the number 220 anything. yes he was on hormones since highschool.
3) prince never had amazing genetics. he was short and still is and did have the ability to blow up real well on hormones. but that is it! his muscle was bulk. you see tons of those guys in your local gym with red swollen face, pale as the wall, and average physiqe. what he did have is the ABILITY not to be stuck at the 230lb mark and actually go up to the 250lb mark due to a marvelous response to hormones. that is also what gave him his pro card like many of us. but all of this was made with a lot A HELL OF A LOT of goodies.
4) after 6 months of eating 2-3 meals a day and not touching weight prince would be (even with the hormones) close to his natural limit which is 200lb
5) ofcourse the 200lb limit is now 180lb limit and with the years will be reduced to 170 and then 160 and will stop somewhere there considering his height 5'7" and a half.
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Very true. Vince Basile did invent dialysis, but he is a modest man, so he used a pseudonym on the patent application.
;D
Anyway, Tom was not a nice guy on here. Many of his posts centered around gossip about BBs he didn't like and challenging people to fist fights. He also seemed to think he was better than everyone here because he was an IFBB pro.
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This thread goes over some of TP's history very well:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=62361.0
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nononono enough of this crap.
1) prince is a space alien from the planet Geldor.
2) prince was on hormones when he touched the number 220 anything. yes he was on hormones since highschool. He also never brushed his teeth, which is a good think because animals never brush their teeth either. It was a space alien 10,000 years ago who taught us how to brush our teeth.
3) prince never had amazing genetics. he was short and still is and did have the ability to blow up real well on hormones. but that is it! As an aside, it was the space aliens using human slave laborwho built the pyramids!
4) after 6 months of eating 2-3 meals a day and not touching weight prince would be (even with the hormones) close to his natural limit which is 200lb, and if any of you knew about the government conspiracy to hide the aliens from you, you'd kill yourselves.
5) ofcourse I'm a complete fruitcake and ifbb pro, but I have inside information to all this due to my part-time job as a janitor at Area 51!
fixed!
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Be careful SF or I will pour acid on some of your nieces...
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Be careful SF or I will pour acid on some of your nieces...
epic wide black man's nose and dick sucking lips.
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Maybe you should have thought about your own retarded comments such as "Tom lost size because he trying to get small on purpose"
To all the smart guys here making retarded comments:
Tom has been on dialisys for the last few years now....he can't train much (as it makes it worse for his health)...can't take in much protein (ditto)...and is focusing on their business and staying healthy...
He's always been ghostly white...nothing different there....isn't wearing a "affliction" shirt...it's a new "Max Muscle" shirt Dave had him throw on for a pic.
He doesn't care about being big anymore, doesn't come on the boards, and isn't going to see any of the ignorant comments being made by some of you....
And if anyone else thinks they'll be "looking large" sandwiched between me and Jay....by all means...come on down to MM next time Jay's in town and we'll be sure to post your pic right here on Getbig....
BTW...while you're there....BUY SOMETHING!!
One more thing...anymore degrading comments on Jay's wife, and I'll not only delete your post, but your entire account as well....maybe some of you vets of the board can explain to the rookies/ noobs...why that is.
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actually,
You and tp, made ridiculous claims about his weight and your BS was called.
I suppose you could call that "caring about what tom weighs", if you wanted to.
I don't know...we didn't weigh him when he walked in.
When he was 220, I told you he was 220...now he's lighter.
Tom doesn't care what he weighs...WHY DO YOU??
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epic wide black man's nose and dick sucking lips.
Watch out. I'm gathering stones to bludgeon your female relatives with...
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then you are riding toms nuts without the facts.
if this was 2002, tom prince would probably be putting you down for being a schmoe that clings onto jay 24/7,
and that you're a loser for not being a juicehead
I don't know what Tom said in the past as I used to not come here that often.
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Watch out. I'm gathering stones to bludgeon your female relatives with...
they're terrified. ::)
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I don't know...we didn't weigh him when he walked in.
When he was 220, I told you he was 220...now he's lighter.
Tom doesn't care what he weighs...WHY DO YOU??
you cared when you were willing to wager $10k on his weight.
Suddenly now that he's 155 soaking wet, you don't care.
Face it, if he was 233 today, you'd be shouting it from the rooftops like you used to.
Tom's an everyday schlep now.
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One more thing...anymore degrading comments on Jay's wife, and I'll not only delete your post, but your entire account as well....maybe some of you vets of the board can explain to the rookies/ noobs...why that is.
Quit acting like you're Mr. Big-shot, Bob...you can't delete accounts, so quit pretending you can. This is reminiscent of your "I can see all your credit card info on bb.com" comment that got shot down real quick by DeLuca.
You are absolutely correct that Ron doesn't like people going after families, and HE very well might delete somebody's account for it, but YOU can't do shit.
Hope this helps. ::)
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actually chick,
your pathetic friend is reaping what he sowed.
hence your prensence on this thread, so deparately trying to play damge control
for the kidney abusing nubain addict.
He did have to "try" and lose the muscle....it's called "not training". He attempted to maintain a 3-4 day regimine at first...then was advised that the amount of muscle he was maintaining was having a negative effect on his treatments....
The people acting like assholes that he responded to in-kind...reaped what they sowed.
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you cared when you were willing to wager $10k on his weight.
Suddenly now that he's 155 soaking wet, you don't care.
Face it, if he was 233 today, you'd be shouting it from the rooftops like you used to.
Tom's an everyday schlep now.
in all seriousness, he is way smaller than 155 now, honestly look at that picture closely, look how thin and weak he looks, looks like a stiff wind would blow him over.
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Tom has seen the light! Yet another. Look how much filthy unnecessary body mass he has shedded!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=182377.0;attach=214782;image)
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epic wide black man's nose and dick sucking lips.
LOL...
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they're terrified. ::)
nah they're not...they are too busy facing mecca while I ruin their reproductive systems
8)
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I wonder if TP still mouths off to random people like he used to now that he's 5'-nothing 130 lbs soaking wet?
If so, he's probably taken quite a few beat-downs.
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tleilaxutank - are you a wop?
WOP = without papers.
I'm Italian, but I have mine. ;D
The moors raped and pillaged the original Sicilian women that produced the contemporary Sicilians.
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Here's the quote... just goes to show you how delusional he was/is:
Quote from: Tom Prince
TLEILAXUTANK: Don't kid myself? OK.. let's just go with the facts.
1. I was 225 at the beginning of my senior year in HIGH SCHOOL.
2. I was 242 after one year of training, and I was NATURAL.
3. In June of 1998, after 6 months of not touching a weight (I had shoulder surgery that year), or eating more than 3 meals a day, I moved to Santa Monica, California, weighing 255 pounds.
So, MY evidence that getting down to 235 for me will be difficult, is based on past experienece, and what I know about myself.
I could almost guarantee, that even eating 100 grams of protein a day, it would take me 10 years to drop below 250 if I keep weight training. No QUESTION about it. The last time I weighed below 250 in the off-season.. I was 22 years old.
The ONLY way I could do it, is to stop doing EVERYTHING. No training, little food, and natural (of course). Sorry, that's not going to happen.
Ok then... ;D ;D ;D
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tleilaxutank - are you a wop?
WOP = without papers.
I'm Italian, but I have mine. ;D
The moors raped and pillaged the original Sicilian women that produced the contemporary Sicilians.
haha, no I'm french, portuguese and italian...(only 25% italian)--my nose is not at all wide; must be the angle...
sorry to here about your women
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haha, no I'm french, portuguese and italian...(only 25% italian)--my nose is not at all wide; must be the angle...
sorry to here about your women
Yes it sucks...
I am 50% Italian (my mother is 100%). The big lips and big noses some Italians had apparently happened after the incidents I described above as the bloodline was forever changed.
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Yes it sucks...
I am 50% Italian (my mother is 100%). The big lips and big noses some Italians had apparently happened after the incidents I described above as the bloodline was forever changed.
ha ha, Bast is Sicilian too. European negroes. Do you hate jobs?
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ha ha, Bast is Sicilian too. European negroes. Do you hate jobs?
I don't know about Bast, but I do.
I'm Calabrese. ;D
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Here's the quote... just goes to show you how delusional he was/is:
Quote from: Tom Prince
TLEILAXUTANK: Don't kid myself? OK.. let's just go with the facts.
1. I was 225 at the beginning of my senior year in HIGH SCHOOL.
2. I was 242 after one year of training, and I was NATURAL.
3. In June of 1998, after 6 months of not touching a weight (I had shoulder surgery that year), or eating more than 3 meals a day, I moved to Santa Monica, California, weighing 255 pounds.
So, MY evidence that getting down to 235 for me will be difficult, is based on past experienece, and what I know about myself.
I could almost guarantee, that even eating 100 grams of protein a day, it would take me 10 years to drop below 250 if I keep weight training. No QUESTION about it. The last time I weighed below 250 in the off-season.. I was 22 years old.
The ONLY way I could do it, is to stop doing EVERYTHING. No training, little food, and natural (of course). Sorry, that's not going to happen.
Ok then... ;D ;D ;D
I wouldn't make fun of that. To me it looks like he was right. "The ONLY way I could do it, is to stop doing EVERYTHING. No training, little food, and natural (of course)." Just what he did. I would recommend others to follow but to add in some cardio (as much as you want) and maybe some light weight exercising but that is not needed.
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I wouldn't make fun of that. To me it looks like he was right. "The ONLY way I could do it, is to stop doing EVERYTHING. No training, little food, and natural (of course)." Just what he did. I would recommend others to follow but to add in some cardio (as much as you want) and maybe some light weight exercising but that is not needed.
He's doing well...he and his wife run a property managment business which has taken off quite big over the last few years...keeps himself in shape with a few workouts a week...
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Damn...I figured a Mr. Olympia would have a better look'n wife than that. :-\
More impressed that his wife looks like a normal person and not some plastic bimbo. I give props to Jay for having a semi-normal life and not trying to be some thugged out gangsta pimp. Save and invest that money while you can.
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More impressed that his wife looks like a normal person and not some plastic bimbo. I give props to Jay for having a semi-normal life and not trying to be some thugged out gangsta pimp. Save and invest that money while you can.
First off, I disagree that negative comments towards Kerry's appearance should be deleted from here. Her pictures have been posted and naturally people will make comments. Insulting her personally is another matter. My opinion is that she is very pretty, not to mention they were high school sweethearts. Contrast that with Dennis Newman's wife, who dumped him as soon as he came down with leukemia.
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That tp dares to come out of his house.
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That tp dares to come out of his house.
Props to Tom for letting them take his pictures and to whoever originally uploaded them.
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First off, I disagree that negative comments towards Kerry's appearance should be deleted from here. Her pictures have been posted and naturally people will make comments. Insulting her personally is another matter. My opinion is that she is very pretty, not to mention they were high school sweethearts. Contrast that with Dennis Newman's wife, who dumped him as soon as he came down with leukemia.
I agree and that's the point I was trying to make. She is not so pre-occupied with self. Just seems like Jay and his wife treat it like a business and don't appear to get caught up in the self centered and self love fest that can be bodybuilding.
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I wouldn't make fun of that. To me it looks like he was right. "The ONLY way I could do it, is to stop doing EVERYTHING. No training, little food, and natural (of course)." Just what he did. I would recommend others to follow but to add in some cardio (as much as you want) and maybe some light weight exercising but that is not needed.
He clearly said if would "take 10 years." Are we saying he stopped training, eating, etc in 1997? Of course not. He was totally absolutely wrong.
That said; if he wants to be normal aka skinny, more power to him.
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Props to Tom for letting them take his pictures and to whoever originally uploaded them.
jeah i dont think i could have.
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Cutler is living the good life. I am quite confident he'll win next year, but then I hope he retires and goes out on top. It was sad seeing Ronnie decline like that. Cutler is no Coleman in terms of longterm greatness and impact on the sport, and seeing another Mr O slide down would suck.
Max, when TP was here, he used to be one of the most cruel people you'd ever see. Ask him about those days.
240 i was here then and i dont remember that. were you here too?
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Cutler is living the good life. I am quite confident he'll win next year
Of course he'll win next year, even if he looks like dogshit. Weider promised him three, right? ::)
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To all the smart guys here making retarded comments:
Tom has been on dialisys for the last few years now....he can't train much (as it makes it worse for his health)...can't take in much protein (ditto
He doesn't care about being big anymore.......
Like he has a choice.
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I wouldn't make fun of that. To me it looks like he was right. "The ONLY way I could do it, is to stop doing EVERYTHING. No training, little food, and natural (of course)." Just what he did. I would recommend others to follow but to add in some cardio (as much as you want) and maybe some light weight exercising but that is not needed.
you forgot to reference this quote "Sorry, that's not going to happen."
was your boyfriend right about that one too?
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I wonder what they talk about. That has to be the most pathetic conversation amongst people ever regardless. "So jay... you really hit that side chest shot good man, are you going to train calves today?" "How many pounds of turkey do you eat jay?". I feel bad looking at these pictures. This man more then likely spent his thanks giving holiday on a calorie restricted diet of turkey and rice and fat free sugar free yogurt.
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To all the smart guys here making retarded comments:
if anyone else thinks they'll be "looking large" sandwiched between me and Jay....by all means...come on down to MM next time Jay's in town and we'll be sure to post your pic right here on Getbig....
Something Lee Haney Lou Ferrigno,Arnold or a real champ would never say.
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Does that turn you on fatty? I noticed you like to do lots of photoshops with penis's all over the place.
ha when you cant see your own you see them everywhere :o
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sweet jesus she is ugly
Putting down a bodybuilder on here - fine! That is part of the sport.
But leave the guy's wife alone!
If you can compete at a high level in this sport and find a girl to stand next to you and support you through it - Marry her! If she can put up with bodybuilding she can put up with just about anything!
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And if anyone else thinks they'll be "looking large" sandwiched between me and Jay....by all means...come on down to MM next time Jay's in town and we'll be sure to post your pic right here on Getbig....
BTW...while you're there....BUY SOMETHING!!
Robert, shoot me a PM next time Jay is in town. I wanna "look large". And for madmax6....I'll even buy something. 8)
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Cutler's arm is the size of Tom Prince's torso.
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ha when you cant see your own you see them everywhere :o
Hahaha yeah the guy must be sexually frustrated with having to hire hookers to "hep him out". Im sure they even refuse him service since he cant bathe himself that well.
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Tom has the longest Neck in the world. HOLLY SHIT!!!
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Tom has the longest Neck in the world. HOLLY SHIT!!!
maybe he intentionally downsized his traps in order to give the illusion of a longer neck?
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maybe he intentionally downsized his traps in order to give the illusion of a longer neck?
That would take at least 10 years.
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That would take at least 10 years.
at least.
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In all seriousness, it has to mess with your head sporadically when you look at yourself and realize you are literally half the man you used to be.
Tom didn't steal a kidney like Don Long or Flex did he?
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Quit acting like you're Mr. Big-shot, Bob...you can't delete accounts, so quit pretending you can. This is reminiscent of your "I can see all your credit card info on bb.com" comment that got shot down real quick by DeLuca.
You are absolutely correct that Ron doesn't like people going after families, and HE very well might delete somebody's account for it, but YOU can't do shit.
Hope this helps. ::)
Shut your pie-hole boy.....unless you want to be put back in time-out...just like last time.
BTW...get your facts straight...I never said I could see everyone's CC info...240 did.
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Shut your pie-hole boy.....unless you want to be put back in time-out...just like last time.
BTW...get your facts straight...I never said I could see everyone's CC info...240 did.
bob-o dookie arms
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Bob sure is riding his high horse today :-\
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Tom Prince...what a fucking mess ::)
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All genetics ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=182377.0;attach=214785;image)
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Think he wears those rings around his neck like those chicks in the african tribes?
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Quit acting like you're Mr. Big-shot, Bob...you can't delete accounts, so quit pretending you can. This is reminiscent of your "I can see all your credit card info on bb.com" comment that got shot down real quick by DeLuca.
You are absolutely correct that Ron doesn't like people going after families, and HE very well might delete somebody's account for it, but YOU can't do shit.
Hope this helps. ::)
hahahahah Bob OWNED
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Tom:
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Tom Prince looks like grim death in those pics. I was shocked looking at them to be honest and had to look twice to make sure it was him. Anyways I hope is is genuinely ok and is happy doing whatever he is doing at present.
Quick question though Don Long is also a dyalasis user too yet he has maintained a pretty good physique so how come his muscle hes carrying around is not detrimental to his health (or is it) as reading through these posts it would seem that Tom has been advised otherwise.
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BTW...get your facts straight...I never said I could see everyone's CC info...240 did.
Do you actually buy supplements? Certainly doesn't appear so...Do you buy from BB.com? I can Look it up very easily...
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OK, here's what I love about threads like this. First of all, Musclecenter's trying to be decent in his presentation... "Mr. & Mrs. Cutler in Thanksgiving Day." Ah...how sweet. Oh look, there's Jay, there's Kerry, Jay looks happy, Kerry looks great, sweet girl, standing by her man, aw, they're dancing...ah, yeah, the whole gang's there at Dave's store. Day after Thanksgiving, everyone's clowning around, wow, bodybuilding really is getting back some of it's comraderie, yeah, cool...continue to scroll down....
WHOA! WTF! LOOK AT TOM!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! ajhdgf;askdhg;asjdgh;asjfdgh;asljfgh;agh;aslfjgha;sljghasfljgkhas;fljgha;lfdjghas;dljghas;fdljghas;kfdljghas;lfdjghasfljghas;fdgjhas;lfgjhas;lgjhas;ljghas;fljhas;fdljhasfd;gljhas;fgljhasfd;gjhasf;gjhasf;gjahfdg;gh;
Oh so HERE'S the point of the thread!
Multiple pictures. Dave even takes some pictures after he has Tom make a wardrobe change, just to make sure we know how bad this is, just to make sure we know it wasn't the "shirt/shirts." LOL There's even one posted of Tom from the back/side, talking to the guys...no other relevance whatsoever, just "Tom from the side, he's haggard looking from any angle." Then Dave's like, "ha ha you guys never fail to disappoint, me and Bob "predicted" that the peanut gallery would have their say." ROFL Talk about epic foresight! ;D
But you do have to wonder why Tom would even agree to have his pics taken...yes, I'm sure he won't look at this thread. He's beyond gone; he knows he fucked up...but note that there are subtle subconscious forces in him that need to give us what he owes us...verification that he was no better than anyone else and was WRONG in many of his arrogant assumptions, as he must now KNOW he was.
"Tom knows," guys. Just leave it be.
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Oh so HERE'S the point of the thread!
Multiple pictures. Dave even takes some pictures after he has Tom make a wardrobe change, just to make sure we know how bad this is, just to make sure we know it wasn't the "shirt/shirts." LOL There's even one posted of Tom from the back/side, talking to the guys...no other relevance whatsoever, just "Tom from the side, he's haggard looking from any angle." Then Dave's like, "ha ha you guys never fail to disappoint, me and Bob "predicted" that the peanut gallery would have their say." ROFL Talk about epic foresight! ;D
Perhaps Max is just plain tired of Prince hanging out at the store looking like a 13 year old thug, and decided he'd feel better by posting pics of him at his worst.
Dave did the biggest job of punking Prince here. You're right.
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Perhaps Max is just plain tired of Prince hanging out at the store looking like a 13 year old thug, and decided he'd feel better by posting pics of him at his worst.
Dave did the biggest job of punking Prince here. You're right.
Well how else was he gonna spin it? Thanks for the pics, Dave. Somebody had to do it. The last time I saw Tom he looked a good 20-30 pounds heavier than that, doing sets of Hammer Strength deadlifts with 4 & 5 plates on each side...this was I'd say 6 months ago. I even told Matt C that I thought Tom was "getting braver with his dosages again." I'm guessing he started to push it and they told him it was fucking him up so he had to cut damn near everything back out completely again. He was actually looking pretty thick if you looked at him from the right angle; once you've been that big it doesn't take anything to balloon back up, and even when you're deflated your muscle has a sort of real dense look that pictures really don't do justice. He probably was 230 when Bob and Tom said he was; but he was probably still on his way down at that point it seems.
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Well how else was he gonna spin it? Thanks for the pics, Dave. Somebody had to do it. The last time I saw Tom he looked a good 20-30 pounds heavier than that, doing sets of Hammer Strength deadlifts with 4 & 5 plates on each side...this was I'd say 6 months ago. I even told Matt C that I thought Tom was "getting braver with his dosages again." I'm guessing he started to push it and they told him it was fucking him up so he had to cut damn near everything back out completely again. He was actually looking pretty thick if you looked at him from the right angle; once you've been that big it doesn't take anything to balloon back up, and even when you're deflated your muscle has a sort of real dense look that pictures really don't do justice. He probably was 230 when Bob and Tom said he was; but he was probably still on his way down at that point it seems.
So Dave does more to make Prince look terrible than anyone else does.
Some payback for Tom being a good counter guy all that time.
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So Dave does more to make Prince look terrible than anyone else does.
Some payback for Tom being a good counter guy all that time.
Dave isn't so deluded man. Dave knows what's up all the way around, whether he admits it or not. Get off his back bro, he does all of us a service here. He's even doing Tom a favor somehow, someway. Tom willingly set himself up for this; he knew what it was all about.
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Bob, why are you ripping goat and 240? You know damn well how Prince used to act on the boards. Anyone who has been posting here since back when Tom was healthy knows exactly how Tom used to treat people.
Not sure why you are so shocked with the board's response to these pictures.
I feel bad for Tom. But with the way he used to talk to people I am not surprised with the backlash. I hope he stays healthy for his child and his wife.
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Bob, why are you ripping goat and 240? You know damn well how Prince used to act on the boards. Anyone who has been posting here since back when Tom was healthy knows exactly how Tom used to treat people.
Not sure why you are so shocked with the response to these pictures.
It's loyalty to a friend on Bob's part; I can certainly overlook that. Tom originally helped Bob solidify his placing in the industry out here; together they established themselves as the industry's preeminent "scenesters;" they "ran shit" in Venice for a little while as a result; Tom then fell off and Bob stayed on and kept moving forward, so of course Bob's gonna have Tom's back for good. I think it's actually pretty cool; but with everything else, there's always limits as to what's conducive to maintaining your integrity; so Bob, don't let the trolls get the best of you. At any rate, Bob has a strangle hold on the top of the game out here; he's played his cards very well. Props to you, Bob, I told you a long time ago I dug what I knew you were doing.
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Thanks for backing me up.....nowhere does it say anything about CC info, does it....?
Classic idiots on the internet, thinking they know what goes on, what was said, and putting their own spin/ interpretation on it....
To the rest of the fools...Tom allows his pic to be taken because he really doesn't give a shit what anyone thinks....he's as healthy as he can be, has a great business, makes good money, and doesn't read the boards anyway...
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It's loyalty to a friend on Bob's part; I can certainly overlook that. Tom originally helped Bob solidify his placing in the industry out here; together they established themselves as the industry's preeminent "scenesters;" they "ran shit" in Venice for a little while as a result; Tom then fell off and Bob stayed on and kept moving forward, so of course Bob's gonna have Tom's back for good. I think it's actually pretty cool; but with everything else, there's always limits as to what's conducive to maintaining your integrity; so Bob, don't let the trolls get the best of you. At any rate, Bob has a strangle hold on the top of the game out here; he's played his cards very well. Props to you, Bob, I told you a long time ago I dug what I knew you were doing.
True.
I feel bad for the guy more then anything else. Thats said I can see why some people are unsympathetic at this point. We all know how fragile some pro bb's are. Considering how large Tom was before , it must be very hard for him to accept his current situation.
Compounded by the the fact he is surrounded by people who are in there bb prime.
I think Tom burned a lot of bridges with the attitude he had before. If anything Tom is a prime example of how unhealthy bb can be these days.
Shame really.
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Tom taught us all, the dangers of advil.
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"I have unlimted access to any bb.com account. I can view your records"
Bob Chick's "stern" threat to 240.
funny how deluca came onto getbig just to call BS on this. Maybe he was spinning as well?
Thanks for backing me up.....nowhere does it say anything about CC info, does it....?
Classic idiots on the internet, thinking they know what goes on, what was said, and putting their own spin/ interpretation on it....
To the rest of the fools...Tom allows his pic to be taken because he really doesn't give a shit what anyone thinks....he's as healthy as he can be, has a great business, makes good money, and doesn't read the boards anyway...
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Haha I love how some of the twats in here make such a big fuss over Tom Prince's bad attitude ::). Give me a f*cking break - this place brings out the worst in a lot of people, esp. people like the pros who post under their own names and get ridiculed by nameless nobodies who talk big but won't post a picture because they are multi-gazillionaires with model girlfriends etc etc
TP may be down now in terms of size and all, but back in his prime, he was an absolute monster.
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you were pretty good in your prime too Arwin.
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To the rest of the fools...Tom allows his pic to be taken because he really doesn't give a shit what anyone thinks....he's as healthy as he can be, has a great business, makes good money, and doesn't read the boards anyway...
Yeah, I heard he just sent macFarland a text message to reassure him that he wasn't reading this thread.
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you were pretty good in your prime too Arwin.
It's Arvin, thank you very much. And I'm back to my normal shape Mars
I have however run out of Pot and am really down at the moment :-\. Can you ship me some from Amsterdam?
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haha, McFarland called it perfectly.
You know how much material I steal from this guy when helping others with their life problems? Sometimes I will steal full PMs from him only changing a few words, LOL. I'm not sure if it's IQ directly at work here or just good perception/observation skills (sort of "EQ", or emotional intelligence).
Don't you love how Dave will take pictures of Kerry at her worst or from an unfavourable angle just to milk the board for comments like "Jay can do better than that" and the like. Dave loves it. ;D
And what the fuck is this? ;D ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=182377.0;attach=214783;image)
The only purpose of this image is to make Tom look like the crypt keeper. "Breaking bodybuilding news: here's Tom trying on a new pair of sunglasses." I mean, come on now. ;D
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maybe he just takes pics?
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maybe he just takes pics?
True...and "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."
AND SOMETIMES IT'S A GREAT BIG DICK!!! ;D
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OK, here's what I love about threads like this. First of all, Musclecenter's trying to be decent in his presentation... "Mr. & Mrs. Cutler in Thanksgiving Day." Ah...how sweet. Oh look, there's Jay, there's Kerry, Jay looks happy, Kerry looks great, sweet girl, standing by her man, aw, they're dancing...ah, yeah, the whole gang's there at Dave's store. Day after Thanksgiving, everyone's clowning around, wow, bodybuilding really is getting back some of it's comraderie, yeah, cool...continue to scroll down....
WHOA! WTF! LOOK AT TOM!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! ajhdgf;askdhg;asjdgh;asjfdgh;asljfgh;agh;aslfjgha;sljghasfljgkhas;fljgha;lfdjghas;dljghas;fdljghas;kfdljghas;lfdjghasfljghas;fdgjhas;lfgjhas;lgjhas;ljghas;fljhas;fdljhasfd;gljhas;fgljhasfd;gjhasf;gjhasf;gjahfdg;gh;
Oh so HERE'S the point of the thread!
Multiple pictures. Dave even takes some pictures after he has Tom make a wardrobe change, just to make sure we know how bad this is, just to make sure we know it wasn't the "shirt/shirts." LOL There's even one posted of Tom from the back/side, talking to the guys...no other relevance whatsoever, just "Tom from the side, he's haggard looking from any angle." Then Dave's like, "ha ha you guys never fail to disappoint, me and Bob "predicted" that the peanut gallery would have their say." ROFL Talk about epic foresight! ;D
But you do have to wonder why Tom would even agree to have his pics taken...yes, I'm sure he won't look at this thread. He's beyond gone; he knows he fucked up...but note that there are subtle subconscious forces in him that need to give us what he owes us...verification that he was no better than anyone else and was WRONG in many of his arrogant assumptions, as he must now KNOW he was.
"Tom knows," guys. Just leave it be.
;D ;)
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Haha I love how some of the twats in here make such a big fuss over Tom Prince's bad attitude ::). Give me a f*cking break - this place brings out the worst in a lot of people, esp. people like the pros who post under their own names and get ridiculed by nameless nobodies who talk big but won't post a picture because they are multi-gazillionaires with model girlfriends etc etc
TP may be down now in terms of size and all, but back in his prime, he was an absolute monster.
Spot on Kiwi ;)
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Tom had his run. He could once say he was one of the biggest and most muscular men to walk the earth. No need to chase the past as far as I'm concerned.
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Tom had his run. He could once say he was one of the biggest and most muscular men to walk the earth. No need to chase the past as far as I'm concerned.
Matt I was the first to say that, just so you know.
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Matt I was the first to say that, just so you know.
HAHAHAHA!!!
I knew I stole it from somebody on the boards, I just didn't know who. ;D
Hilarious, most people would have forgotten even saying it. :)
My question to the board: how big would Tom be in relation to me for instance? While he looks small, he is also standing next to two very large people so is it possible he is still holding on to a lean 190 at 5'8?
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Who cares that Tom's... what....165lbs with shoes on??? THIS IS A SIIIICK PICTURE! :o :o :o Daaaaaaamn... :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=182377.0;attach=215150)
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HAHAHAHA!!!
I knew I stole it from somebody on the boards, I just didn't know who. ;D
Hilarious, most people would have forgotten even saying it. :)
My question to the board: how big would Tom be in relation to me for instance? While he looks small, he is also standing next to two very large people so is it possible he is still holding on to a lean 190 at 5'8?
No I'm just kidding, I don't think I was the first one to say it...all I know is that when I saw him walking around the gym at 310, that he was the most massive human I'd ever seen; he really did look like The Thing, or maybe Robocop. He was that fucking big; just stacked out as fuck.
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Tom Prince looks like grim death in those pics. I was shocked looking at them to be honest and had to look twice to make sure it was him. Anyways I hope is is genuinely ok and is happy doing whatever he is doing at present.
Quick question though Don Long is also a dyalasis user too yet he has maintained a pretty good physique so how come his muscle hes carrying around is not detrimental to his health (or is it) as reading through these posts it would seem that Tom has been advised otherwise.
I thought EXACTLY the same thing!!
I guess Tom got angry and fed up with bodybuilding because of the illness it brought upon him. Long looks 1000 light-years better than Tom.
Prince looks pathetic, what a shame! This sends a clear message for the upandcomers in the scene: don't go his route.
I think if was worth all the training, all the food, all the drugs if the end result is that poor, pitty-inducing, fragile and stupid image we can see at those pics of him. To make matters worse, it sems he intentionally wants to look like the weirdo we lay our eyes on those photos. Why not wear some normal-looking clothes? Get a soft tan, bite some food, ya know......try to look somewhat healthy. Geez.....he looks like a poor, unfertile and impotent man, whose dick can get up and the wife cheats on him. :-[
And to think I was a big fan of his as an athlete. What a disgrace. Looking at Prince nowadays makes me question my love for this sport and to put under scrutiny my whole bodybuilding lifestyle. I don't want that to myself. Tom should do community services, going to schools and doing lectures on students about what steroids advil can do to a person.
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No I'm just kidding, I don't think I was the first one to say it...all I know is that when I saw him walking around the gym at 310, that he was the most massive human I'd ever seen; he really did look like The Thing, or maybe Robocop. He was that fucking big; just stacked out as fuck.
Wow...and you had seen a lot of pros at that point?
The images I have of a couple of my friends from late high school / early university still stand out as being the images of the biggest human beings I've ever seen. I was more impressed with them at the time then I was seeing lots of pros at the expos. I got that impression again when I met with Joel Stubbs...but when you are naive to muscle, it all looks big. Believe me, somebody has thought that about you too. Same goes for others on the boards.
Here is my review of Don Long's DVD, and he was HUGE in it:
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/donlongtohellandbackdvd.html
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/donlongdvd/103.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/2007mrolympia/12.jpg)
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The images I have of a couple of my friends from late high school / early university still stand out as being the images of the biggest human beings I've ever seen. I was more impressed with them at the time then I was seeing lots of pros at the expos.
you talk about your friends/ roomies/ BFF so much that it really makes us all uncomfortable.
Most of us in our 20s don't boast about how impressed we are with our male buddies' muscles. It's just not something dudes talk about.
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you talk about your friends/ roomies/ BFF so much that it really makes us all uncomfortable.
Most of us in our 20s don't boast about how impressed we are with our male buddies' muscles. It's just not something dudes talk about.
Agreed; Matt, you're the biggest queer on this board.
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Agreed; Matt, you're the biggest queer on this board.
Are you guys saying you're uncomfortable that I'm gay for my school chums?
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MattC, why do you always dress like a queer?
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Are you guys saying you're uncomfortable that I'm gay for my school chums?
ROFL! ;D
God what a fag. Are you saying you don't know who you'd rather bang in this picture, Matt? ;D
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ROFL! ;D
God what a fag. Are you saying you don't know who you'd rather bang in this picture, Matt? ;D
Tom actually looks big in that picture. Do you guys think he may be 195?
Say what you will about Kerry, I happen to find her very attractive! Smart woman also - she has a Master's degree from what I've read, in nursing or public health or a related discipline.
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To all the smart guys here making retarded comments:
Tom has been on dialisys for the last few years now....he can't train much (as it makes it worse for his health)...can't take in much protein (ditto)...and is focusing on their business and staying healthy...
He's always been ghostly white...nothing different there....isn't wearing a "affliction" shirt...it's a new "Max Muscle" shirt Dave had him throw on for a pic.
He doesn't care about being big anymore, doesn't come on the boards, and isn't going to see any of the ignorant comments being made by some of you....
And if anyone else thinks they'll be "looking large" sandwiched between me and Jay....by all means...come on down to MM next time Jay's in town and we'll be sure to post your pic right here on Getbig....
BTW...while you're there....BUY SOMETHING!!
One more thing...anymore degrading comments on Jay's wife, and I'll not only delete your post, but your entire account as well....maybe some of you vets of the board can explain to the rookies/ noobs...why that is.
I second that Chic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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A heroin user will never get as high as they did the first time out...more or less (I'm sure there are exceptions). After having seen so many huge bodybuilders, I don't know who is left to knock my socks off at expos. Abbas Khatami once had Jim Manion critique his physique, but Jim was a guy who saw it all. I wonder if I will ever get that sense of awe again, the one McFarland described from when he saw Tom at the gym.
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Are you not suppose to workout as hard when you are on dialysis?
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Someone just posted over at MM that TP recommended that he take 500mcg of Clen, with another 100mg (I think) of ephedrine added in, per day!
I wonder if that had anything to do with his current situation too. :-\
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I don't think any more words about TP are necessary, he appears to have suffered a horrendous enough humbling.
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I agree with rocket.
Someone just posted over at MM that TP recommended that he take 500mcg of Clen, with another 100mg (I think) of ephedrine added in, per day!
I wonder if that had anything to do with his current situation too. :-\
Definitely. I'm pretty sure it was more dehydration and pain killers than it was gear. Tom has an extreme personality, and also a reckless one which is a bad combination. I mostly didn't like his rude attitude on the boards, but I admit, I was harsher on him than a lot of other people were and I apologize for that.
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Haha I love how some of the twats in here make such a big fuss over Tom Prince's bad attitude ::). Give me a f*cking break - this place brings out the worst in a lot of people, esp. people like the pros who post under their own names and get ridiculed by nameless nobodies who talk big but won't post a picture because they are multi-gazillionaires with model girlfriends etc etc
TP may be down now in terms of size and all, but back in his prime, he was an absolute monster.
TP was funny too. everyone was bad here.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=182377.0;attach=215220;image)
Tom actually looks big skinny-fat in that picture.
fixed
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All Tom needs is one good spider bite and he will be his old self.
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All Tom needs is one good spider bite and he will be his old self.
Keith could be his trainer and diet guru!
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Yeah, except in this case Kiwiol doesn't really know what he's talking about and has clearly made some incorrect assumptions. Tom's bad attitude days were mostly at mayhem and to dredge this up yet again, the negative attitude towards him is due to the fact that there were a lot of polite people who were truly fans of him that got served a plate of tom prince mood swing for no reason. Guys who got banned and whatnot because Tom was having a bad day.
Tom being a tosser here wouldn't surprise anybody.
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Yeah, except in this case Kiwiol doesn't really know what he's talking about and has clearly made some incorrect assumptions. Tom's bad attitude days were mostly at mayhem and to dredge this up yet again, the negative attitude towards him is due to the fact that there were a lot of polite people who were truly fans of him that got served a plate of tom prince mood swing for no reason. Guys who got banned and whatnot because Tom was having a bad day.
Tom being a tosser here wouldn't surprise anybody.
Kiwol is the Oracle. He knows all.
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Kiwol is the Oracle. He knows all.
He can't be expected to know what happened before him (if I was to go by what people are saying I would have assumed people were talking about his conduct here too).
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he was into his addiction and out of control yes. posters would blast the colt nudes 150 times a day and the dude couldn't control it.
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tom looks like a regular guy his age. we only say it's 'sad' cause of the size he used to carry. he's still in the same or better shape than the average getbigger.
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tom looks like a regular guy his age. we only say it's 'sad' cause of the size he used to carry. he's still in the same or better shape than the average getbigger.
I imagine so...
I assume he is still bigger and leaner than I am for instance. I don't think by very much, but I would think he has at least 10-20 pounds of lean muscle than me. I could see him being a lean 195 at 5'8 which is by no means skinny - a shadow of his former self, but not bad compared to the general public.
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Yeah, except in this case Kiwiol doesn't really know what he's talking about and has clearly made some incorrect assumptions. Tom's bad attitude days were mostly at mayhem and to dredge this up yet again, the negative attitude towards him is due to the fact that there were a lot of polite people who were truly fans of him that got served a plate of tom prince mood swing for no reason. Guys who got banned and whatnot because Tom was having a bad day.
Tom being a tosser here wouldn't surprise anybody.
Oh puhleease! I never said Tom's a Saint or anything - just pointing out the irony that the same fags here who do nothing but trash bodybuilding and bodybuilders are kicking up a stink over someone being a dick online. I love how if you are an anonymous poster, you can say whatever shit you want and it's all good because its fun / 'we are keeping it real'. But then a Pro shows an attitude to whoever and they are a jerk who deserve what they had coming ::). Hypocrisy at it's best
Kiwol is the Oracle. He knows all.
You got that right ;D. BTW,
There was a problem WJH?
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Oh puhleease! I never said Tom's a Saint or anything - just pointing out the irony that the same fags here who do nothing but trash bodybuilding and bodybuilders are kicking up a stink over someone being a dick online. I love how if you are an anonymous poster, you can say whatever shit you want and it's all good because its fun / 'we are keeping it real'. But then a Pro shows an attitude to whoever and they are a jerk who deserve what they had coming ::). Hypocrisy at it's best
Most of these fags we're talking about weren't around then anyway, they just get off on peoples misfortune. Some historical grievances make a convenient cause for them.
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I imagine so...
I assume he is still bigger and leaner than I am for instance. I don't think by very much, but I would think he has at least 10-20 pounds of lean muscle than me. I could see him being a lean 195 at 5'8 which is by no means skinny - a shadow of his former self, but not bad compared to the general public.
At 5,8 hed be lucky to be 150 pounds when i was that skinny in my teenage years i was 165 at 6ft.
Even if he was swallowing 30 advil a day he must have been on some other drugs to have that sort of effect on his Kidneys.
Don Long is on dialysis and must be 235, i think Prince has given up hope, im sure extra calories and some moderate workouts could get him to 220 if he cannot his health must really be in the shitter.
And yes HE NEARLY DIED FOR US BITCHES so i give him respect.
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:o :o :o
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2167/2052525771_b345214ba0_o.jpg)
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:o :o :o
Nice try rookie ::)
Mars, show him how its done.
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Nice try rookie ::)
Mars, show him how its done.
haha ron forbid me to post porn man.
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haha ron forbid me to post porn man.
He what?!
Ron, what the hell?!
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:o :o :o
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2167/2052525771_b345214ba0_o.jpg)
Shes to Chunky, though if i was a newborn id be in heaven.
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I would like Bob or Dave to address why Tom looks like this:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=182377.0;attach=214783;image)
And Don looks like this:
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/donlongdvd/23.jpg)
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Are you not suppose to workout as hard when you are on dialysis?
Bump for an answer. What is the danger of training while on dialysis? I have heard this before in regards to Flex Wheeler.
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Tom's apparently gone goth and has adopted a romantic interest in death and dying. Epic indoor Oakley E-Wire adornment. ::)
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Tom's apparently gone goth and has adopted a romantic interest in death and dying. Epic indoor Oakley E-Wire adornment. ::)
When I first saw that picture of Tom that I just posted the initial thoughts to pop through my head were "ghastly" or "macabre" or "cryptic". Maybe it is just because I am comparing Tom to former versions of himself, but it kind of freaks me out to see him go so far downhill like that. Also, Dave and Bob "predicted" we would reply like this. ;D
Honestly, despite whatever he may have said on here, I hope he has his health. Being an ass on a message board is forgivable in my opinion. I haven't heard any stories of Tom being a scumbag in person, so I wish him the best.
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Yep, she's about 10-15 lbs. away from being a sexy bitch with big titties and a juicy ass
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2167/2052525771_b345214ba0_o.jpg)
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When I first saw that picture of Tom that I just posted the initial thoughts to pop through my head were "ghastly" or "macabre" or "cryptic". Maybe it is just because I am comparing Tom to former versions of himself, but it kind of freaks me out to see him go so far downhill like that. Also, Dave and Bob "predicted" we would reply like this. ;D
Honestly, despite whatever he may have said on here, I hope he has his health. Being an ass on a message board is forgivable in my opinion. I haven't heard any stories of Tom being a scumbag in person, so I wish him the best.
My thirst thoughts are he looks just like Layne Stayley of AIC before he OD'ed
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My thirst thoughts are he looks just like Layne Stayley of AIC before he OD'ed
I think Layne Norton looks like Layne Staley in fact.
:o :o :o
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I would like Bob or Dave to address why Tom looks like this:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=182377.0;attach=214783;image)
And Don looks like this:
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/donlongdvd/23.jpg)
Well said matt
want to hear the answer too...
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Bodybuilding shouldn't come to an end like this for some people. :(, and some of these dudes still not learning their lessons
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I would like Bob or Dave to address why Tom looks like this:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=182377.0;attach=214783;image)
And Don looks like this:
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/donlongdvd/23.jpg)
Don does a different type of Dialysis which he does every night as he sleeps (8-10 hours)...Tom does the regular treatments which are every other day (4 hours) ...I'm certainly no expert on the subject, but i'm sure not everyone is a candidate for the overnight system...
TRaining and keeping muscle mass on makes it much more difficult to clean the blood through dialysis, as many more toxins are produced as well as waste from excess protein...beleive me, TP tried to keep a regular training program...it was making it worse....
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I don't know...we didn't weigh him when he walked in.
When he was 220, I told you he was 220...now he's lighter.
Tom doesn't care what he weighs...WHY DO YOU??
we don't care what he weighs, we just dislike lies and deceit. So admit that you were lying about his weight in the past and the comments will stop.
Tom's condition would be very sad, if not for the fact that he self-induced it and used to make fun of guys that were natural. Now he is reaping the consequences. It is a good lesson for those tempted to turn to the darkside
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don, looks unreal :-X
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To all the smart guys here making retarded comments:
Tom has been on dialisys for the last few years now....he can't train much (as it makes it worse for his health)...can't take in much protein (ditto)...and is focusing on their business and staying healthy...
He's always been ghostly white...nothing different there....isn't wearing a "affliction" shirt...it's a new "Max Muscle" shirt Dave had him throw on for a pic.
He doesn't care about being big anymore, doesn't come on the boards, and isn't going to see any of the ignorant comments being made by some of you....
And if anyone else thinks they'll be "looking large" sandwiched between me and Jay....by all means...come on down to MM next time Jay's in town and we'll be sure to post your pic right here on Getbig....
BTW...while you're there....BUY SOMETHING!!
One more thing...anymore degrading comments on Jay's wife, and I'll not only delete your post, but your entire account as well....maybe some of you vets of the board can explain to the rookies/ noobs...why that is.
Chick, usually do not agree with you or think you act pompous, but nice post, really, It's one thing to attack Jay, he is the pro, not his wife, so way uncool, also, I really used to like Prince when he competed, sorry to hear about the dialysis, hope he can stay as healthy as possible
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we don't care what he weighs, we just dislike lies and deceit. So admit that you were lying about his weight in the past and the comments will stop.
Tom's condition would be very sad, if not for the fact that he self-induced it and used to make fun of guys that were natural. Now he is reaping the consequences. It is a good lesson for those tempted to turn to the darkside
No one lying about his weight...certainly not me. What would have been the point?
It was Adonis that raised the question, made the challenge to bet, which I accepted...and he welched.
I knew what Toms weight was simply for the fact that he has to get weighed every time he goes to dialysis.....it was a slam dunk. You think I would have put up $10K if I was guessing??
You can keep making al the comments you want...Tom doesn't read the boards, so it's falling on deaf ears.....
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Bob, why even respond to this nonsense?
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Yep, she's about 10-15 lbs. away from being a sexy bitch with big titties and a juicy ass
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2167/2052525771_b345214ba0_o.jpg)
Awesome picture.. :o
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Bob, why even respond to this nonsense?
Because it shows everyone else how stupid they really are...
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Awesome picture.. :o
That's Sara Jay, if any of you pervs wanted to know....;D
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Is Tom bigger than me? Serious question. Hard to gauge his size next to Bob and Jay and also given how big Tom used to be creates a mental illusion of smallness to some degree I think.
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Is Tom bigger than me? Serious question. Hard to gauge his size next to Bob and Jay and also given how big Tom used to be creates a mental illusion of smallness to some degree I think.
Are you kidding? Tom looks like a cancer patient.... :-\
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Are you kidding? Tom looks like a cancer patient.... :-\
It's true he does...
With that pointed out, I am also curious if his health has taken a serious turn for the worse or if he is doing well given his condition.
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dont beat a dead horse.
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Tom kind of looks like Squeek from baseketball now.
(http://baseketball.spalliance.net/images/beersblackandwhite.jpg)
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noway that guy is way bigger than tom.
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Tom was a dick head to EVERYONE online for many years, he deserves all the trashing he gets!!
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is TP hebrew?
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TRaining and keeping muscle mass on makes it much more difficult to clean the blood through dialysis, as many more toxins are produced as well as waste from excess protein...beleive me, TP tried to keep a regular training program...it was making it worse....
You're absolutely right about this, which is why, you should have a "sit down" with Don and explain why he's spitting in his donor's face ;)
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;D ;D
never, i swear this cant be tom prince. :o
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Don does a different type of Dialysis which he does every night as he sleeps (8-10 hours)...Tom does the regular treatments which are every other day (4 hours) ...I'm certainly no expert on the subject, but i'm sure not everyone is a candidate for the overnight system...
TRaining and keeping muscle mass on makes it much more difficult to clean the blood through dialysis, as many more toxins are produced as well as waste from excess protein...beleive me, TP tried to keep a regular training program...it was making it worse....
I didn't know he was on conventional dialysis. No wonder he looks like that. I was on dialysis for about 4 months a few years ago. I can tell you that you feel like shit just before dialisys (because of the build up of toxins) and just after. It's also really hard to maintain any type of appetite because the renal diet is really bland and limited and because ALL FOOD tastes horrible. Damn, I wouldn't wish that on anyone, no matter how big a dick he was.
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Tom Prince with Jay N Bob...............
Looks a bit like Mower, but with shades.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=182377.0;attach=214782;image)
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You're absolutely right about this, which is why, you should have a "sit down" with Don and explain why he's spitting in his donor's face ;)
Don had a kidney donated a few years ago....it didn't take.
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It's true he does...
With that pointed out, I am also curious if his health has taken a serious turn for the worse or if he is doing well given his condition.
My guess is that a light body weight means less stress on his system.
So him looking like a long distance runner would probably be optimal.
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maybe tom wanted to experience both sides of the spectrum in his life?, real big and real skinny?
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It's prob true about a leaner body meaning less stress on the system. All the cultures known for extraordinary longevity consume far few calories than Americans. In fact, it's rare to see an elder Okinawan overweight, for instance.
It's a little shocking to see a former competitive bodybuilder lose mass like that but who cares? Bodybuilding is fun but it should promote health and well-being. Your family, health, and sound state of mind are far more important than how big you look. No one is going to be "Mr.Olympia" forever. Not even Ronnie Coleman.
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Looks a bit like Mower, but with shades.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=182377.0;attach=214782;image)
Facially, he resembles James Woods quite a bit
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Facially, he resembles James Woods quite a bit
more like a twink about to be gang banged by 2 top bears.
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more like a twink about to be gang banged by 2 top bears.
lol!
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more like a twink about to be gang banged by 2 top bears.
Amazing that as you look at that picture, that's the first thing that comes to your mind...
You may have some "issues" you need to address...
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I hate when getbiggers say that Tom prince is half the man he used to be..
That insults our intelligence, thats saying that he weighs at least 150 lbs!! ...My money is that he is 132lbs soaking wet :-*
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Amazing that as you look at that picture, that's the first thing that comes to your mind...
You may have some "issues" you need to address...
for your benefit almighty Chickster, i looked at it again...
yep, pretty much the same conclusion.
maybe it was something about the way he flamboyantly had his hand on your ass and a pout on his lips while you had that big fat ass rimming grin, and looking at the big ass grin on cut's face, it looks like he's gettin his 130lb twink service too. :-* ;D
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more like a twink about to be gang banged by 2 top bears.
another gay lingo expert ;D you guys should form a club around here.
monster over interest in subcultures because you have no culture of your own.
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another gay lingo expert ;D you guys should form a club around here.
monster over interest in subcultures because you have no culture of your own.
apologies your highness.
you queens and top bears sure get bitchy dontchya?
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Don does a different type of Dialysis which he does every night as he sleeps (8-10 hours)...Tom does the regular treatments which are every other day (4 hours) ...I'm certainly no expert on the subject, but i'm sure not everyone is a candidate for the overnight system...
TRaining and keeping muscle mass on makes it much more difficult to clean the blood through dialysis, as many more toxins are produced as well as waste from excess protein...beleive me, TP tried to keep a regular training program...it was making it worse....
Bob, thanks for the answer. So is Tom able to workout at all now? Will he have to be on dialysis the rest of his life (sorry I don't know much about it)?
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for your benefit almighty Chickster, i looked at it again...
yep, pretty much the same conclusion.
maybe it was something about the way he flamboyantly had his hand on your ass and a pout on his lips while you had that big fat ass rimming grin, and looking at the big ass grin on cut's face, it looks like he's gettin his 130lb twink service too. :-* ;D
Case and point
Guess people see what they want to see....
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apologies your highness.
you queens and top bears sure get bitchy dontchya?
apology accepted girl-friend, now go find your own life. Hey you and kiwiol can start a gay to straight dictionary, you both know so much. ::)
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;D ;D
hahahaa, brutal!
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tleilaxutank - are you a wop?
WOP = without papers.
I'm Italian, but I have mine. ;D
The moops raped and pillaged the original Sicilian women that produced the contemporary Sicilians.
Fixed ;D
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maybe tom wanted to experience both sides of the spectrum in his life?, real big and real skinny?
Yeah it's like those white bitches who go black and never go back.
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TP used to do X?
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chick,
what didn't you use your bullshit story about how tom "was trying to lose size on purpose" ??
funny how foolish you look because of your skinny friend.
Don does a different type of Dialysis which he does every night as he sleeps (8-10 hours)...Tom does the regular treatments which are every other day (4 hours) ...I'm certainly no expert on the subject, but i'm sure not everyone is a candidate for the overnight system...
TRaining and keeping muscle mass on makes it much more difficult to clean the blood through dialysis, as many more toxins are produced as well as waste from excess protein...beleive me, TP tried to keep a regular training program...it was making it worse....
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you're either extremely guillible, or you think people on this board are blind.
your aids patient friend was 175lb then, and more like 150lb now.
hope this helps..
No one lying about his weight...certainly not me. What would have been the point?
It was Adonis that raised the question, made the challenge to bet, which I accepted...and he welched.
I knew what Toms weight was simply for the fact that he has to get weighed every time he goes to dialysis.....it was a slam dunk. You think I would have put up $10K if I was guessing??
You can keep making al the comments you want...Tom doesn't read the boards, so it's falling on deaf ears.....
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chick,
what didn't you use your bullshit story about how tom "was trying to lose size on purpose" ??
funny how foolish you look because of your skinny friend.
The man nearly lost his life over some questionable bodybuilding regimes he endured to push the envelope like many others have in this crazy sport. Tom P is alive and doing ok now, give him a break.
Jay and is lovely wife make a wonderful couple and both are a class act.
Being funny and making cracks is part of the boards and bodybuilding, but some her are just way over the top.
Howard
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Here is Tom's story.
To hell and back...now what? In 2003, Tom Prince's life nearly ended. This is his story.
Flex, Jan, 2004 by Greg Merritt
SYMPTOMS
Something wasn't right. Tom Prince always suffered more than most guys when prepping for a show - sacrificing sleep, energy and his voice in some cosmic exchange for striations. Sometimes in the depths of a diet, he caught a cold or flu bug, as others do when their defenses are down. But this was different. The symptoms were odd - itchy skin, dry tongue, swollen ankles, labored breathing - and they lingered throughout the end of March and into April.
He tried to ignore the warning signs, confident he'd wake up one day and they'd be gone. In the midst of dieting and training for the 2003 Night Of Champions on May 31, Prince was determined that nothing would slow him down. Antibiotics quelled the problems for a few days, but soon the symptoms were back and worse than ever.
Prince was perpetually fatigued more than two months away from the NOC much more so than he should have been in even the final low-carb days. Training partner Bob Cicherillo had to drop him off at the front door of Gold's Gym Venice, because Prince lacked the energy to walk from the parking lot. He could always find the strength to push a weight for the 10 seconds of a set, and he remained nearly as strong as ever, but between sets it was all he could do to stay awake. One day, he couldn't do even one minute of cardio.
The gym ethos is to block out pain, to revel in it even, to push on through and grow stronger for having anguished. For better or worse, no bodybuilder embraced that ethos more than Tom Prince. One of the world's strongest trainers, capable of three reps of shoulder presses with 455 pounds and seven reps of 900-pound hack squats, he had suffered greatly for his physique. Possessing a rebuilt shoulder and knee and chronically sore joints, he downed painkillers by the fistful to make it through another workout. Still, his low-rep attack rarely wavered. It was that never-give-up mentality that kept him from the doctor too long. It was that, and it was the fear of what the doctor might say.
DIAGNOSIS
The nosebleeds were the worst. They sometimes wouldn't stop for hours, and his blood was as thick as syrup. On April 10, a little more than seven weeks before the Night Of Champions, Tom's wife, Rebecca, dragged him to a local hospital. After a doctor did a checkup and took his blood, Tom and Rebecca waited. Prince was anxious to get this behind him, confident he would reach the shape of his life and win the NOC.
When the doctor returned, she pulled Rebecca aside and said in a hushed voice, "I want you to be calm. There's nothing to be too scared or worried about, but you need to take Tom to the emergency room right now."
Prince overheard and asked, "You mean right now, right now? Or are you talking, like, tomorrow?"
The doctor answered firmly, "No, right now." She showed Prince his lab report, circling a number. "See that right there? That's your creatinine level. See that 6.9?"
Prince already knew what a normal creatinine level was. He knew it wasn't supposed to be any higher than 2.0 for a man of his musculature.
"What's failing?" he asked.
"5.9."
"So am I having kidney failure?"
"Yes."
Prince went numb. He sighed. He looked at his wife. Tears streamed down Rebecca's face. Prince held her hand and told her everything would be OK, but it was just something people say at times like that. The truth was he wasn't certain of anything anymore.
Tom and Rebecca drove to a nearby restaurant and ordered ice cream. Prince had been dieting, after all, and he knew then that the diet was done. What he didn't know was just how close he was to dying. If he had, he never would have stopped on his way to the ER. Meanwhile, Rebecca had already gone from devastated to dauntless. "You can only surprise her for a minute," Prince says. "She's tough as hell in tough times."
CRITICAL CONDITION
The waiting room of the hospital emergency ward was full of the sick and injured, staring morosely at the floor. When Prince showed the staff his lab report, he jumped to the front of the line and was whisked into the trauma area. After his chest was x-rayed, Prince was guided to a bed and a spray was squirted in his mouth. He asked what the x-ray showed.
"You're in heart failure, too," the doctor answered.
That was the lowest moment, the one where Prince truly wondered if he was facing his final hours. Heart failure! He didn't know then that heart failure could be a consequence of persisting acute kidney damage. Water starts to build up in the feet and ankles. The water had increased to such a degree in Prince's body that, at any moment, he could have literally drowned in his own fluids.
TREATMENT
The mouth spray contained nitroglycerin to relieve the heart problems. Immediately, the medical staff put Prince on a diuretic to purge his body of excess water. They also administered medicine to bring down his skyrocketing blood pressure and antibiotics for yet another problem: bleeding ulcers.
A few hours later, the diuretic was doing its job and Prince was feeling much better. By the time Cicherillo visited the hospital the next day, Prince felt nearly normal. Still, he looked close to death. The gregarious man known as "Angry Bob" saw his training partner lying in a bed, hooked up to electrodes and oxygen, with tubes taped to him and going every which way. Cicherillo didn't care if he ever traded sets of leg presses with Prince again. He just wanted to trade barbs with him until they were old and gray.
Prince lay in the hospital bed for days, contemplating his wife, his two children from his previous marriage, his friends, his bodybuilding career and his uncertain future. He asked how he could have done this to himself. Rebecca sneaked in fruit and Nutri-Grain bars to supplement his "kidney diet" of hot tea and lettuce. "If I was dying. I didn't want it to be of starvation." Prince jokes.
He went on kidney dialysis for five days in a row. After the third day, his creatinine level was down to 3.9 - still dangerously high, but it meant his kidneys were functioning at about 50%, compared to the 15% they were at previously. The doctors said it was rare for a patient to recover so dramatically, so quickly, but then it was also rare for a 34-year-old man to have kidney and heart failure. One week after he was admitted to the hospital, he was released, facing an uncertain future of thrice-weekly dialysis treatments.
CAUSES
When Prince heard the horrifying news of his kidney failure, he immediately thought it was from the bodybuilding drugs he had been ingesting and injecting for years. A doctor in the emergency ward asked if he was taking any recreational drugs.
"Well, I don't smoke or drink, but there are a few steroids and things I take," Prince answered.
"Tell me every steroid you've ever taken," the doctor said, her pen poised over a form.
"Ever? You're gonna need another pen."
When Prince recalled his every bodybuilding drug, the length of the list shocked even him. Despite his quip about pen ink, he hadn't truly realized how great the quantities had become. Still, it wasn't the anabolic steroids, growth hormone and similar substances that alarmed the doctors. Those, they said, were predominantly filtered out via his liver and shouldn't be affecting his kidneys so drastically. It was the eight Advil tablets he swallowed two or three times per day to cope with his joint pain that truly made alarm bells ring. Doctors explained that he could go into kidney failure simply from megadosing painkillers. (Advil recommends using no more than six tablets over 24 hours, to see a doctor if using other drugs and to discontinue use of the analgesic after 10 days.)
Prince was stunned. How could he, a 300-pound bodybuilder who regularly self-injected steroids, be felled by over-the-counter ibuprofen? In addition to the excessive amounts of painkillers, the doctors blamed his kidney troubles on his off-the-chart blood pressure, and they theorized that his high-protein diet might also have contributed - although, if his kidneys were otherwise normal, protein would rarely cause complications on its own. Prince believes the steroids and similar drugs contributed to his high blood pressure. "It wasn't one thing. It was everything together," he says.
PREVENTION
Prince realizes now that his kidneys may have started to falter nearly two years prior when, while prepping for the 2001 Mr. Olympia, he had the peculiar problem of water "pocketing" in odd areas of his body. Kidneys work to filter waste products from blood and maintain the body's water and electrolyte balance. Unusual water retention can be an early sign of problems.
Prince's biggest regret now is that he didn't have a blood test performed sooner. "If I had to do it over, I would've gone to a doctor a couple of times per year," he states. "They could have caught it much, much earlier. I can think back to when I used to have headaches a couple times per week, and that was as early as '99. I think that's when I first started having high blood pressure and didn't do anything about it. My first blood test on April 10 cost only $80, and it took an hour to do. That seems like a paltry sum of money and time for your health. One of the biggest messages I want to get across to all bodybuilders doing drugs is to get regular blood tests. I'm afraid most guys won't do it, because, like I didn't want to know, they don't want to know. But maybe my story will scare them enough. Maybe my story will save someone's life."
For those who fear medical professionals will condemn them or fail to comprehend the unique aspects of a bodybuilding lifestyle, Prince says that all the doctors and nurses always treated him with the utmost respect and concern. In addition to the need for semiannual blood tests, he also wants to caution bodybuilders against abusing any drug, from over-the-counter painkillers to steroids. He knows all too well the fallacy of the bodybuilding mentality that if two is good, four must be twice as good.
Prince was 23 when he did his first steroid cycle. His dosages were low at first, but through the years, he gradually raised the quantities when he felt his body had become accustomed to the previous amount. By 2002, he was spending more than $4,000 on a range of 13 drugs (not all anabolic steroids) for a 16-week contest cycle. He now knows it was overkill, and it almost killed him. What's worse, he knows of bodybuilders at the local novice level who are using and spending twice as much.
"It's crazy," he says. "There's no advantage. It's fear that kept me doing it, and fear that keeps a lot of guys doing even more - fear that you'll lose and you could've done more. The thing is you can fill up a cup only so much. Once it's full, that's it. It's like eating 3,000 grams of protein a day or training legs 10 hours straight. It doesn't do any more good, so it can only be bad."
Prince hasn't been reborn as a disciple of "Just Say No," but he does point out that bodybuilding drugs are vastly overrated. When he did his first steroid cycle at age 23, Prince already weighed a muscular 242 pounds (at 5'8"), thus highlighting that the three most important factors for muscle growth are genetics, hard work and a proper diet, generally in that order. As Cicherillo puts it: "All the drugs in the world won't make a pit bull out of a Chihuahua."
RECOVERY
Throughout the spring and summer of 2003, Prince continued dialysis three days per week; he should be off dialysis by the time you read this. His kidneys are working at approximately 80%, good enough to function on their own but probably not good enough to make it through a normal lifespan. In all likelihood, Prince will need a kidney transplant. During a highly emotional phone conversation, Tom's younger brother, Scott (his only sibling), offered to be his donor.
One week after he returned home from the hospital, Prince was back in the gym training with Cicherillo. Sitting at home made him feel like a sick slug. Slowly, his energy returned. The doctors upped his daily protein intake from 100 grams per day to 250. His weight went back up to more than 300. In August, drug-free for four months and having purposely shed a few pounds, he weighed 285 with as much muscle as ever.
The hardest part is training without painkillers. His elbow and shoulder joints ache, but he still labors through the workouts. All the while, Cicherillo encourages him to use lighter weights and higher reps. "The biggest challenge for Tom won't be physical," Cicherillo says. "It's mental. Now it's a whole different agenda. The mentality has to change from being the biggest, strongest, toughest guy in the gym and throwing around ridiculous amounts of weight. It's a whole different career now. And, in my opinion, accepting that is going to be the biggest obstacle - being able to say, 'You know what? That was a chapter that's now gone. I'm not going to be able to do 700-pound squats and 90-pound dumbbell curls anymore.'
Lying in the hospital bed, Prince first thought he would never compete again. Then he briefly flirted with the idea of competing natural, perhaps I even giving up his pro card and entering the 2004 NPC Team Universe Championships. By July - with his blood pressure under control, his kidneys out of the danger zone and his blood getting tested regularly - he had settled on a new strategy: competing again but with only a minimum amount of bodybuilding drugs (less than one-third of what he used before for a precontest cycle). If his health is still strong, he will begin preparations for the 2004 Night Of Champions in late January.
"I look at it as a challenge to see how good I can get on a reduced contest cycle," he says. Prince aims to prove to everyone that the drug intake is out of control and unnecessary, if not counterproductive. He'll also be extremely careful. "As my blood data comes in every two weeks, if there's any sign that something's going wrong, I'll stop my preparation instantly. I'm trying to be optimistic, but not so much that I'll just ignore whatever comes my way or whatever I see."
Prince plans to compete at a lighter bodyweight than in his previous pro shows, where he was around 260. He'll probably be less than 250, maybe even less than 240. "I saw Victor [Martinez] win the NOC at around 235," he says, "and he's an inch taller than me. That kind of gives me hope. I can't be as ridiculously big as possible anymore." Perhaps that's a good thing, as some say Prince displayed his best shape as a sub-240-pound amateur.
One of the invaluable lessons Prince's ordeal taught him was to cherish each moment. That includes every workout, every meal, every joke with Cicherillo. It also includes the challenge of preparing for a contest again - the same show he was striving for one year before when his life was altered forever. "If my next show is my last one, I'd like it to be the NOC," he says. "And wouldn't it be a great ending if I won it and then retired?"
At the end of the interview for this article, Prince is nearly doubled over, laughing the loudest at one of Peter McGough's typical (and potentially libelous) bodybuilding tales from way back. The best ending to Prince's story won't come at the Night Of Champions. It has nothing to do with sets or reps or bodybuilding awards. The best ending will be Tom Prince laughing that same hearty guffaw 50 years from now.
KIDNEY DAMAGE WARNING SIGNS
* Fatigue, weakness
* Nausea/vomiting
* Lack of appetite
* Difficulty concentrating
* Insomnia
* Dry and itchy skin
* Swollen feet, hands or ankles; leg cramps
* Foamy and/or darkened urine
* High blood pressure
If you experience several of these symptoms, consult your doctor immediately.
COPYRIGHT 2004 Weider Publications
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When Tom used to say it was so difficult for him to lose muscle despite slacking off in the gym and not eating properly, it now makes me realize just how much of a hyper-responder he was to using gas. For example, when Tom said he went six months never eating more than three meals a day and not training and still maintained his size, what he failed to point out was that he was still on cycle during that time.
Steroids + push-ups/chin-ups + decent diet > Natural hard training + excellent diet.
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you're either extremely guillible, or you think people on this board are blind.
your aids patient friend was 175lb then, and more like 150lb now.
hope this helps..
Chick will defend his bottom twink until the end.
don't underestimate the loyalty these guys have for each other. they alternate cycles of gear so they can all take turns being on top/bottom. it's the way things are done in the ifbb.
The man nearly lost his life over some questionable bodybuilding regimes he endured to push the envelope like many others have in this crazy sport. Tom P is alive and doing ok now, give him a break.
Jay and is lovely wife make a wonderful couple and both are a class act.
Being funny and making cracks is part of the boards and bodybuilding, but some her are just way over the top.
Howard
exactly. ;)
WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU HORRIBLE PEOPLE, TOMMY NEARLY DIED FOR YOU BITCHES!!!
>:(
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By the time Cicherillo visited the hospital the next day,
"Angry Bob" saw his training partner lying in a bed, hooked up to electrodes and oxygen, with tubes taped to him and going every which way. ending will be Tom Prince laughing that same hearty guffaw 50 years from now.
Your boy went down with kidney failure and was near death, and you waited til THE NEXT DAY to visit?
Come on, dude...
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Here is Tom's story.
To hell and back...now what? In 2003, Tom Prince's life nearly ended. This is his story.
Flex, Jan, 2004 by Greg Merritt
SYMPTOMS
Something wasn't right. Tom Prince always suffered more than most guys when prepping for a show - sacrificing sleep, energy and his voice in some cosmic exchange for striations. Sometimes in the depths of a diet, he caught a cold or flu bug, as others do when their defenses are down. But this was different. The symptoms were odd - itchy skin, dry tongue, swollen ankles, labored breathing - and they lingered throughout the end of March and into April.
He tried to ignore the warning signs, confident he'd wake up one day and they'd be gone. In the midst of dieting and training for the 2003 Night Of Champions on May 31, Prince was determined that nothing would slow him down. Antibiotics quelled the problems for a few days, but soon the symptoms were back and worse than ever.
Prince was perpetually fatigued more than two months away from the NOC much more so than he should have been in even the final low-carb days. Training partner Bob Cicherillo had to drop him off at the front door of Gold's Gym Venice, because Prince lacked the energy to walk from the parking lot. He could always find the strength to push a weight for the 10 seconds of a set, and he remained nearly as strong as ever, but between sets it was all he could do to stay awake. One day, he couldn't do even one minute of cardio.
The gym ethos is to block out pain, to revel in it even, to push on through and grow stronger for having anguished. For better or worse, no bodybuilder embraced that ethos more than Tom Prince. One of the world's strongest trainers, capable of three reps of shoulder presses with 455 pounds and seven reps of 900-pound hack squats, he had suffered greatly for his physique. Possessing a rebuilt shoulder and knee and chronically sore joints, he downed painkillers by the fistful to make it through another workout. Still, his low-rep attack rarely wavered. It was that never-give-up mentality that kept him from the doctor too long. It was that, and it was the fear of what the doctor might say.
DIAGNOSIS
The nosebleeds were the worst. They sometimes wouldn't stop for hours, and his blood was as thick as syrup. On April 10, a little more than seven weeks before the Night Of Champions, Tom's wife, Rebecca, dragged him to a local hospital. After a doctor did a checkup and took his blood, Tom and Rebecca waited. Prince was anxious to get this behind him, confident he would reach the shape of his life and win the NOC.
When the doctor returned, she pulled Rebecca aside and said in a hushed voice, "I want you to be calm. There's nothing to be too scared or worried about, but you need to take Tom to the emergency room right now."
Prince overheard and asked, "You mean right now, right now? Or are you talking, like, tomorrow?"
The doctor answered firmly, "No, right now." She showed Prince his lab report, circling a number. "See that right there? That's your creatinine level. See that 6.9?"
Prince already knew what a normal creatinine level was. He knew it wasn't supposed to be any higher than 2.0 for a man of his musculature.
"What's failing?" he asked.
"5.9."
"So am I having kidney failure?"
"Yes."
Prince went numb. He sighed. He looked at his wife. Tears streamed down Rebecca's face. Prince held her hand and told her everything would be OK, but it was just something people say at times like that. The truth was he wasn't certain of anything anymore.
Tom and Rebecca drove to a nearby restaurant and ordered ice cream. Prince had been dieting, after all, and he knew then that the diet was done. What he didn't know was just how close he was to dying. If he had, he never would have stopped on his way to the ER. Meanwhile, Rebecca had already gone from devastated to dauntless. "You can only surprise her for a minute," Prince says. "She's tough as hell in tough times."
CRITICAL CONDITION
The waiting room of the hospital emergency ward was full of the sick and injured, staring morosely at the floor. When Prince showed the staff his lab report, he jumped to the front of the line and was whisked into the trauma area. After his chest was x-rayed, Prince was guided to a bed and a spray was squirted in his mouth. He asked what the x-ray showed.
"You're in heart failure, too," the doctor answered.
That was the lowest moment, the one where Prince truly wondered if he was facing his final hours. Heart failure! He didn't know then that heart failure could be a consequence of persisting acute kidney damage. Water starts to build up in the feet and ankles. The water had increased to such a degree in Prince's body that, at any moment, he could have literally drowned in his own fluids.
TREATMENT
The mouth spray contained nitroglycerin to relieve the heart problems. Immediately, the medical staff put Prince on a diuretic to purge his body of excess water. They also administered medicine to bring down his skyrocketing blood pressure and antibiotics for yet another problem: bleeding ulcers.
A few hours later, the diuretic was doing its job and Prince was feeling much better. By the time Cicherillo visited the hospital the next day, Prince felt nearly normal. Still, he looked close to death. The gregarious man known as "Angry Bob" saw his training partner lying in a bed, hooked up to electrodes and oxygen, with tubes taped to him and going every which way. Cicherillo didn't care if he ever traded sets of leg presses with Prince again. He just wanted to trade barbs with him until they were old and gray.
Prince lay in the hospital bed for days, contemplating his wife, his two children from his previous marriage, his friends, his bodybuilding career and his uncertain future. He asked how he could have done this to himself. Rebecca sneaked in fruit and Nutri-Grain bars to supplement his "kidney diet" of hot tea and lettuce. "If I was dying. I didn't want it to be of starvation." Prince jokes.
He went on kidney dialysis for five days in a row. After the third day, his creatinine level was down to 3.9 - still dangerously high, but it meant his kidneys were functioning at about 50%, compared to the 15% they were at previously. The doctors said it was rare for a patient to recover so dramatically, so quickly, but then it was also rare for a 34-year-old man to have kidney and heart failure. One week after he was admitted to the hospital, he was released, facing an uncertain future of thrice-weekly dialysis treatments.
CAUSES
When Prince heard the horrifying news of his kidney failure, he immediately thought it was from the bodybuilding drugs he had been ingesting and injecting for years. A doctor in the emergency ward asked if he was taking any recreational drugs.
"Well, I don't smoke or drink, but there are a few steroids and things I take," Prince answered.
"Tell me every steroid you've ever taken," the doctor said, her pen poised over a form.
"Ever? You're gonna need another pen."
When Prince recalled his every bodybuilding drug, the length of the list shocked even him. Despite his quip about pen ink, he hadn't truly realized how great the quantities had become. Still, it wasn't the anabolic steroids, growth hormone and similar substances that alarmed the doctors. Those, they said, were predominantly filtered out via his liver and shouldn't be affecting his kidneys so drastically. It was the eight Advil tablets he swallowed two or three times per day to cope with his joint pain that truly made alarm bells ring. Doctors explained that he could go into kidney failure simply from megadosing painkillers. (Advil recommends using no more than six tablets over 24 hours, to see a doctor if using other drugs and to discontinue use of the analgesic after 10 days.)
Prince was stunned. How could he, a 300-pound bodybuilder who regularly self-injected steroids, be felled by over-the-counter ibuprofen? In addition to the excessive amounts of painkillers, the doctors blamed his kidney troubles on his off-the-chart blood pressure, and they theorized that his high-protein diet might also have contributed - although, if his kidneys were otherwise normal, protein would rarely cause complications on its own. Prince believes the steroids and similar drugs contributed to his high blood pressure. "It wasn't one thing. It was everything together," he says.
PREVENTION
Prince realizes now that his kidneys may have started to falter nearly two years prior when, while prepping for the 2001 Mr. Olympia, he had the peculiar problem of water "pocketing" in odd areas of his body. Kidneys work to filter waste products from blood and maintain the body's water and electrolyte balance. Unusual water retention can be an early sign of problems.
Prince's biggest regret now is that he didn't have a blood test performed sooner. "If I had to do it over, I would've gone to a doctor a couple of times per year," he states. "They could have caught it much, much earlier. I can think back to when I used to have headaches a couple times per week, and that was as early as '99. I think that's when I first started having high blood pressure and didn't do anything about it. My first blood test on April 10 cost only $80, and it took an hour to do. That seems like a paltry sum of money and time for your health. One of the biggest messages I want to get across to all bodybuilders doing drugs is to get regular blood tests. I'm afraid most guys won't do it, because, like I didn't want to know, they don't want to know. But maybe my story will scare them enough. Maybe my story will save someone's life."
For those who fear medical professionals will condemn them or fail to comprehend the unique aspects of a bodybuilding lifestyle, Prince says that all the doctors and nurses always treated him with the utmost respect and concern. In addition to the need for semiannual blood tests, he also wants to caution bodybuilders against abusing any drug, from over-the-counter painkillers to steroids. He knows all too well the fallacy of the bodybuilding mentality that if two is good, four must be twice as good.
Prince was 23 when he did his first steroid cycle. His dosages were low at first, but through the years, he gradually raised the quantities when he felt his body had become accustomed to the previous amount. By 2002, he was spending more than $4,000 on a range of 13 drugs (not all anabolic steroids) for a 16-week contest cycle. He now knows it was overkill, and it almost killed him. What's worse, he knows of bodybuilders at the local novice level who are using and spending twice as much.
"It's crazy," he says. "There's no advantage. It's fear that kept me doing it, and fear that keeps a lot of guys doing even more - fear that you'll lose and you could've done more. The thing is you can fill up a cup only so much. Once it's full, that's it. It's like eating 3,000 grams of protein a day or training legs 10 hours straight. It doesn't do any more good, so it can only be bad."
Prince hasn't been reborn as a disciple of "Just Say No," but he does point out that bodybuilding drugs are vastly overrated. When he did his first steroid cycle at age 23, Prince already weighed a muscular 242 pounds (at 5'8"), thus highlighting that the three most important factors for muscle growth are genetics, hard work and a proper diet, generally in that order. As Cicherillo puts it: "All the drugs in the world won't make a pit bull out of a Chihuahua."
RECOVERY
Throughout the spring and summer of 2003, Prince continued dialysis three days per week; he should be off dialysis by the time you read this. His kidneys are working at approximately 80%, good enough to function on their own but probably not good enough to make it through a normal lifespan. In all likelihood, Prince will need a kidney transplant. During a highly emotional phone conversation, Tom's younger brother, Scott (his only sibling), offered to be his donor.
One week after he returned home from the hospital, Prince was back in the gym training with Cicherillo. Sitting at home made him feel like a sick slug. Slowly, his energy returned. The doctors upped his daily protein intake from 100 grams per day to 250. His weight went back up to more than 300. In August, drug-free for four months and having purposely shed a few pounds, he weighed 285 with as much muscle as ever.
The hardest part is training without painkillers. His elbow and shoulder joints ache, but he still labors through the workouts. All the while, Cicherillo encourages him to use lighter weights and higher reps. "The biggest challenge for Tom won't be physical," Cicherillo says. "It's mental. Now it's a whole different agenda. The mentality has to change from being the biggest, strongest, toughest guy in the gym and throwing around ridiculous amounts of weight. It's a whole different career now. And, in my opinion, accepting that is going to be the biggest obstacle - being able to say, 'You know what? That was a chapter that's now gone. I'm not going to be able to do 700-pound squats and 90-pound dumbbell curls anymore.'
Lying in the hospital bed, Prince first thought he would never compete again. Then he briefly flirted with the idea of competing natural, perhaps I even giving up his pro card and entering the 2004 NPC Team Universe Championships. By July - with his blood pressure under control, his kidneys out of the danger zone and his blood getting tested regularly - he had settled on a new strategy: competing again but with only a minimum amount of bodybuilding drugs (less than one-third of what he used before for a precontest cycle). If his health is still strong, he will begin preparations for the 2004 Night Of Champions in late January.
"I look at it as a challenge to see how good I can get on a reduced contest cycle," he says. Prince aims to prove to everyone that the drug intake is out of control and unnecessary, if not counterproductive. He'll also be extremely careful. "As my blood data comes in every two weeks, if there's any sign that something's going wrong, I'll stop my preparation instantly. I'm trying to be optimistic, but not so much that I'll just ignore whatever comes my way or whatever I see."
Prince plans to compete at a lighter bodyweight than in his previous pro shows, where he was around 260. He'll probably be less than 250, maybe even less than 240. "I saw Victor [Martinez] win the NOC at around 235," he says, "and he's an inch taller than me. That kind of gives me hope. I can't be as ridiculously big as possible anymore." Perhaps that's a good thing, as some say Prince displayed his best shape as a sub-240-pound amateur.
One of the invaluable lessons Prince's ordeal taught him was to cherish each moment. That includes every workout, every meal, every joke with Cicherillo. It also includes the challenge of preparing for a contest again - the same show he was striving for one year before when his life was altered forever. "If my next show is my last one, I'd like it to be the NOC," he says. "And wouldn't it be a great ending if I won it and then retired?"
At the end of the interview for this article, Prince is nearly doubled over, laughing the loudest at one of Peter McGough's typical (and potentially libelous) bodybuilding tales from way back. The best ending to Prince's story won't come at the Night Of Champions. It has nothing to do with sets or reps or bodybuilding awards. The best ending will be Tom Prince laughing that same hearty guffaw 50 years from now.
KIDNEY DAMAGE WARNING SIGNS
* Fatigue, weakness
* Nausea/vomiting
* Lack of appetite
* Difficulty concentrating
* Insomnia
* Dry and itchy skin
* Swollen feet, hands or ankles; leg cramps
* Foamy and/or darkened urine
* High blood pressure
If you experience several of these symptoms, consult your doctor immediately.
COPYRIGHT 2004 Weider Publications
Advils a helluva frug.
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Advils a helluva frug.
Moltrin is a hellva drug to, i have to use it after a long night of cocoa use... ;D
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Moltrin is a hellva drug to, i have to use it after a long night of cocoa use... ;D
;D
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apology accepted girl-friend, now go find your own life. Hey you and kiwiol can start a gay to straight dictionary, you both know so much. ::)
I thought we were mates :'(
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Your boy went down with kidney failure and was near death, and you waited til THE NEXT DAY to visit?
Come on, dude...
Actually...it was later that day, as I got the call from Tom's wife, I immediately got down there as it "wasn't looking to good"....very scary
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Tom:
There is no way that is the same guy as the skinny guy in affletciton gear. His belly button weighs more hear then he does now!
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As Cicherillo puts it: "All the drugs in the world won't make a pit bull out of a Chihuahua."
I guess we know better now
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Tom came across very intelligently in the Battle for the Olympia 2001 DVD. He came across like an inconsiderate jerk in the 2002 DVD, giving Gunter the Hitler salute in Gunter's scene. That was the first video footage I ever saw of Tom and I originally thought that he had just not adequately developed social skills growing up. Now I am led to believe he was just in a nubain haze during most of his time spent working out. As I said, the 2001 footage is indicative of Tom being pretty intelligent.
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Tom came across very intelligently in the Battle for the Olympia 2001 DVD. He came across like an inconsiderate jerk in the 2002 DVD, giving Gunter the Hitler salute in Gunter's scene. That was the first video footage I ever saw of Tom and I originally thought that he had just not adequately developed social skills growing up. Now I am led to believe he was just in a nubain haze during most of his time spent working out. As I said, the 2001 footage is indicative of Tom being pretty intelligent.
yeah, intelligent enough to juice himself into being a skinny bitch.
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Actually...it was later that day, as I got the call from Tom's wife, I immediately got down there as it "wasn't looking to good"....very scary
Why did the writer call you "Angry Bob"?
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Actually...it was later that day, as I got the call from Tom's wife, I immediately got down there as it "wasn't looking to good"....very scary
Interesting story. It must be terrible to hear a doctor tell you your body isn't working anymore.
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Moltrin is a hellva drug to, i have to use it after a long night of cocoa use... ;D
Ibuprofen is a helluva drug too.
I'm going to walk on a thin limb here and say that none of you turd droplets have taken pharmacology?
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Ibuprofen is a helluva drug too.
I'm going to walk on a thin limb here and say that none of you turd droplets have taken pharmacology?
I doubt anyone here has taken pharmacology or even researched pain killers on the net? Sounds like you may have.
Serious question: Are Advil , Motrin, and Ibuprofen very hard on the kidneys/liver? In what doses? And how do they compare to heavy cycles of anabolics ... or diuretics?
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I doubt anyone here has taken pharmacology or even researched pain killers on the net? Sounds like you may have.
Serious question: Are Advil , Motrin, and Ibuprofen very hard on the kidneys/liver? In what doses? And how do they compare to heavy cycles of anabolics ... or diuretics?
Advil, Motrin, and Ibuprofen are all Ibuprofen.
Advil and Motrin are both name brands of the drug Ibuprofen. Remember that and laugh the next time some idiot tells you that they have to take Advil, because Motrin "does nothing for them."
Ibuprofen is an NSAID (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug).
They can cause kidney failure, most typically in those with pre-existing mild kidney disease.
The recommended dose is about 1-3g per day max, depending if there is physician monitoring.
It is actually metabolized by the liver in both phases, but isn't largely liver toxic. I believe the kidney problems come from the metabolites (been a while since school....long while), but this is the primary concern as far as organ damage.
Ulcers are also common.
I would guess that the advil sped up the kidney degeneration in Tom. The Advil is a very likely culprit in the ulcers as well.
I would surmise that the chronic IV usage of cocaine and nubain were both more harmful in the grand scheme of things however.
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Why did the writer call you "Angry Bob"?
That was a nickname that was given to Bob. If I remember the story right, Bob was standing in line a grocery store and a little kid asked why Bob was so big or something like that. Bob told the kid and somehow the kid replied to the effect of "Why aren't you called 'Angry Bob' or something like that?" And the name stuck.
Pretty vague, but something along those lines. :-[
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Ibuprofen is an NSAID (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug).
They can cause kidney failure, most typically in those with pre-existing mild kidney disease. The recommended dose is about 1-3g per day max, depending if there is physician monitoring.
Pre-existing? Meaning genetic predisposition? 1-3mg sounds like a lot! I never take more than two 400mg tabs if I have pain.
Would Vicodin be a better option for bodybuilders?
Ulcers are also common. I would guess that the advil sped up the kidney degeneration in Tom. The Advil is a very likely culprit in the ulcers as well.
Are the ulcers related to the Colitis that we see commonly in bodybuilders?
I would surmise that the chronic IV usage of cocaine and nubain were both more harmful in the grand scheme of things however.
Nubain use (sadly) seems common too. But aren't injectables easier on the liver/kidneys than orals?
Thanks for your info!
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Would Vicodin be a better option for bodybuilders?
vicoden has Tylenol in it, and that stuff is liver toxic in high dosages..Also it's addicting as hell..
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Pre-existing? Meaning genetic predisposition? 1-3mg sounds like a lot! I never take more than two 400mg tabs if I have pain.
Would Vicodin be a better option for bodybuilders?
Are the ulcers related to the Colitis that we see commonly in bodybuilders?
Nubain use (sadly) seems common too. But aren't injectables easier on the liver/kidneys than orals?
Thanks for your info!
Pre-existing genetic factors (FSGS) would definitely make a difference.
Even taking 4 200mg tablets twice a day won't cause any real damage. You have to be mega dosing NSAIDs for a long time for major repercussions.
Vicodin is so high in acetominophen that the acetominophen becomes the danger. You can take a good amount of hydrocodone for longer periods of time and be fine.
But, as your body adapts to that drug, you'll need higher doses to feel good (which is why most people take vicodin. Hydrocodone isn't that great of a pain med. The acetominophen is doing most of the work) and the 'legal' portion of the vicodin is what does people in.
I would think the colitis is at least somewhat related to the diet. All the high fibre foods like brown rice, with the surrounding husk, and the like that can damage the intestinal lining is probably a factor in the colitis.
Nubain is just a way to get stoned without calories. That is all it is.
A bbing diet is boring as shit. Eat all day, train, don't do anything. It goes by better when you're stoned. Give an uneducated bloke the chance to think that his drug (nubain) can someone "help" him (train harder), and the abuse will soon folllow.
The Cocaine has many effects. Cocaine causes various forms of cellular necrosis across the board.
There is a type of heart dysfunction of reduced ejection fraction that is a Cocaine induced cardiomyopathy. Reduced heart function is closely related to poor kidney function.
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I would think the colitis is at least somewhat related to the diet. All the high fibre foods like brown rice, with the surrounding husk, and the like that can damage the intestinal lining is probably a factor in the colitis.
The ulcerative colitis is an autoimmune disease, right? And I think the etiology is unknown (?) - I haven't seen anything about diet being the cause. Being that steroids affect immunity could they trigger the disease, or make it blossom earlier than had you not used steroids?
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The ulcerative colitis is an autoimmune disease, right? And I think the etiology is unknown (?) - I haven't seen anything about diet being the cause. Being that steroids affect immunity could they trigger the disease, or make it blossom earlier than had you not used steroids?
That's because diet isn't the cause. ::)
You're right, UC has an unknown etiology, but the concept behind the disease is simple...with an inflamed colon a patient will suffer from malabsorption/malnutrition. Any blood thinner would've complicated colitis more than anabolic steroid use, in someone who already has UC.
Grant:
Please be careful of the "advise" you pick up on this board. Even now, I believe tpm's posts are wikipedia/pubmed driven and are comical at best! Just look at your initial question about ibuprofen compared to AAS/diuretics on the kidneys....all he did was spit out blind facts about said drugs and missed your question entirely. ::)
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That's because diet isn't the cause. ::)
You're right, UC has an unknown etiology, but the concept behind the disease is simple...with an inflamed colon a patient will suffer from malabsorption/malnutrition. Any blood thinner would've complicated colitis more than anabolic steroid use, in someone who already has UC.
Someone told me this:
"androgens promote the secretion of Th2 type cytokines that are found in association with ulcerative colitis"
And referred to this abstract:
Acta Physiol Hung 2000;87(4):355-72
Immunology of inflammatory bowel diseases.
Lakatos L.
Gastroenterology Unit, Cholnoky Ferenc Hospital, Veszprem, Hungary.
The pathogenesis of inflammatory diseases involves complex interactions among genetic, environmental and immunologic factors, where the immune system plays a crucial role. The initiating factor may be a commonly present environmental antigen, but the defective mucosal immune response can't downregulate the inflammatory process, the resulting in chronic inflammation and tissue damage. The abnormal amplification of the immune system seems more likely to be a secondary and not a primary factor in the disease. IBD patients exhibit abnormalities in epithelial antigen presentation, and in the cellular and humoral immune system. The role of autoimmunity is unclear in IBD. The inflammatory mediator production and balance is also altered in IBD. Crohn's disease is characterised by a Th1 cytokine profile, while ulcerative colitis is characterised rather by a Th2 cytokine profile Recent advances in the understanding of the pathogenesis of IBD led to major changes in the treatment of the disease. The newer agents target the key mediators involved in the inflammatory process.
And this:
(http://www.sciencemag.org/content/vol283/issue5406/images/medium/1277-1-med.gif)
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/283/5406/1277?ijkey=JsdA5F3s0DHFo
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Pre-existing genetic factors (FSGS) would definitely make a difference.
Even taking 4 200mg tablets twice a day won't cause any real damage. You have to be mega dosing NSAIDs for a long time for major repercussions.
Vicodin is so high in acetominophen that the acetominophen becomes the danger. You can take a good amount of hydrocodone for longer periods of time and be fine.
But, as your body adapts to that drug, you'll need higher doses to feel good (which is why most people take vicodin. Hydrocodone isn't that great of a pain med. The acetominophen is doing most of the work) and the 'legal' portion of the vicodin is what does people in.
I would think the colitis is at least somewhat related to the diet. All the high fibre foods like brown rice, with the surrounding husk, and the like that can damage the intestinal lining is probably a factor in the colitis.
Nubain is just a way to get stoned without calories. That is all it is.
A bbing diet is boring as shit. Eat all day, train, don't do anything. It goes by better when you're stoned. Give an uneducated bloke the chance to think that his drug (nubain) can someone "help" him (train harder), and the abuse will soon folllow.
The Cocaine has many effects. Cocaine causes various forms of cellular necrosis across the board.
There is a type of heart dysfunction of reduced ejection fraction that is a Cocaine induced cardiomyopathy. Reduced heart function is closely related to poor kidney function.
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To all the smart guys here making retarded comments:
Tom has been on dialisys for the last few years now....he can't train much (as it makes it worse for his health)...can't take in much protein (ditto)...and is focusing on their business and staying healthy...
He's always been ghostly white...nothing different there....isn't wearing a "affliction" shirt...it's a new "Max Muscle" shirt Dave had him throw on for a pic.
He doesn't care about being big anymore, doesn't come on the boards, and isn't going to see any of the ignorant comments being made by some of you....
And if anyone else thinks they'll be "looking large" sandwiched between me and Jay....by all means...come on down to MM next time Jay's in town and we'll be sure to post your pic right here on Getbig....
BTW...while you're there....BUY SOMETHING!!
One more thing...anymore degrading comments on Jay's wife, and I'll not only delete your post, but your entire account as well....maybe some of you vets of the board can explain to the rookies/ noobs...why that is.
It sounds like he has been through a lot in the last couple of years. It would be nice to hear him on your Bodybuilding talk show someday....
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Someone told me this:
"androgens promote the secretion of Th2 type cytokines that are found in association with ulcerative colitis"
And referred to this abstract:
And this:
(http://www.sciencemag.org/content/vol283/issue5406/images/medium/1277-1-med.gif)
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/283/5406/1277?ijkey=JsdA5F3s0DHFo
I've never heard that...hmmm
If this is true then androgens would in fact promote the "inflammatory" response induced by Th2, IgM and IgE antibodies, leading to a greater amount of differentiation of mast cells i.e. INFLAMMATION :o
So yeah, they would in fact excacerbate the problem, rather than help it. Again, this would be in a pre existing case though, as a rise in Th2 would not cause UC. But once UC has developed, AAS would cause a greater inflammatory response.
Good to know for anyone diagnosed with IBD or UC...stay off the juice!
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That's because diet isn't the cause. ::)
You're right, UC has an unknown etiology, but the concept behind the disease is simple...with an inflamed colon a patient will suffer from malabsorption/malnutrition. Any blood thinner would've complicated colitis more than anabolic steroid use, in someone who already has UC.
Grant:
Please be careful of the "advise" you pick up on this board. Even now, I believe tpm's posts are wikipedia/pubmed driven and are comical at best! Just look at your initial question about ibuprofen compared to AAS/diuretics on the kidneys....all he did was spit out blind facts about said drugs and missed your question entirely. ::)
You are quite the Brutal one, aren't ya!
I have never studied colitis, so I made the guess that there could be some dietary impact to the progression of the disease. If you're a top researcher in the field of intestinal disease, you probably have better information than me.
As for facts being "blind," that is an interesting point of view.
You're welcome to cross-reference anything I say with any website. You'll find no plagiarism in my posts.
Either way, it seems Van_Bilderass has already shown your ignorance on UC, so anything I would say is a moot point by now.
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Tom was very rude when he used to post on musclemayhem.
Once a very good amateur bodybuilder posted his pictures and Tom replied:
"Swimmers on your mark...one...two...three ...*tweet*"
Discuss.
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Once a very good amateur bodybuilder posted his pictures and Tom replied:
"Swimmers on your mark...one...two...three ...*tweet*"
Discuss.
That was directed at McFarland. :(
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That was directed at McFarland. :(
haha, you remember that?
Remember when TP lied and said he didn't post his shit talking about an MMA champion of the time? I exposed him in a thread where he called out Guy Grundy for publishing those comments in Musclemag under my "lucerne" account.
Bob of course lied for Tom and put the heat on getbig stating that somebody posted those comments under Tom's name back when Ron used to allow guests to post on here. It's funny how there were multiple members who had read those comments by Tom before he deleted them who had not even HEARD OF getbig before. ;D
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haha, you remember that?
Remember when TP lied and said he didn't post his shit talking about an MMA champion of the time? I exposed him in a thread where he called out Guy Grundy for publishing those comments in Musclemag under my "lucerne" account.
Bob of course lied for Tom and put the heat on getbig stating that somebody posted those comments under Tom's name back when Ron used to allow guests to post on here. It's funny how there were multiple members who had read those comments by Tom before he deleted them who had not even HEARD OF getbig before. ;D
Oh they did alot of crooked shit like that. All the deletions and such. Tom told me today at the gym that I'm "still the biggest douchebag he's ever met" so he does indeed still read the boards.
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haha, you remember that?
Remember when TP lied and said he didn't post his shit talking about an MMA champion of the time? I exposed him in a thread where he called out Guy Grundy for publishing those comments in Musclemag under my "lucerne" account.
Bob of course lied for Tom and put the heat on getbig stating that somebody posted those comments under Tom's name back when Ron used to allow guests to post on here. It's funny how there were multiple members who had read those comments by Tom before he deleted them who had not even HEARD OF getbig before. ;D
don't be so naive my friend....
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Oh they did alot of crooked shit like that. All the deletions and such. Tom told me today at the gym that I'm "still the biggest douchebag he's ever met" so he does indeed still read the boards.
LMAO! Man...
I guess some people will forever remain the same. I would think being so close to death would have humbled Tom. My piece of shit grandfather beat his wife and kids for years and when he had a massive heart attack in 1990, he remained to this day...a piece of shit...some things never change.
don't be so niave my friend....
I saw the thread on mayhem too. I am intelligent enough to consciously note something like someone using "Tom Prince" as a handle here on getbig. Craig Titus had posted as a guest on here numerous times, but not Tom.
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doesn't come on the boards, and isn't going to see any of the ignorant comments being made by some of you....
and doesn't read the boards anyway...
Haha calm down 'bob'
We get it.
He doesn't read the board.
Just like Cutler doesn't? ;D
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"hi thomas,,," :D
;D
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LMAO! Man...
I guess some people will forever remain the same. I would think being so close to death would have humbled Tom. My piece of shit grandfather beat his wife and kids for years and when he had a massive heart attack in 1990, he remained to this day...a piece of shit...some things never change.
I saw the thread on mayhem too. I am intelligent enough to consciously note something like someone using "Tom Prince" as a handle here on getbig. Craig Titus had posted as a guest on here numerous times, but not Tom.
I'm not going to rehash the entire thing...again. JUst like 10 people at an accident all seem to see different things...
The post wasn't from Tom, it was from someone using the same handle with a period (.) at the ...
Doesn't take a genius to figure this one out...Tom hated Craigs guts.
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I'm not going to rehash the entire thing...again. JUst like 10 people at an accident all seem to see different things...
The post wasn't from Tom, it was from someone using the same handle with a period (.) at the ...
Doesn't take a genius to figure this one out...Tom hated Craigs guts.
Worse than mine?
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Haha calm down 'bob'
We get it.
He doesn't read the board.
Just like Cutler doesn't? ;D
you dont have to put "Bob" in quotes...it actually is my name.
Jay doesnt read the boards...he knew nothing of the thread, knew nothing of any feletions, and has never mentioned it before or after
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Haha calm down 'bob'
We get it.
He doesn't read the board.
Just like Cutler doesn't? ;D
Jay posted as "Victorious Jay" in 2003 after his series of grand prix victories as a guest for a brief period but had a meltdown and left when IFBBWannaB ("U don't BB for life, BB is your life !!") started a thread saying that Jay had too much oil in his delts. In Jay's final post here in 2003, he posted a picture of himself doing front raises with dumbbells for shoulders clearly showing the striations in his delts. I'm not sure if that was actually Jay though, but he posted under his real name for a brief period, before leaving again citing that he did not have enough time for the boards:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=profile;u=15998
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Worse than mine?
Oh yeah......not even close.
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Dude was huge.
(http://www.builtreport.com/prince/005.jpg)
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Jay doesnt read the boards...he knew nothing of the thread, knew nothing of any feletions, and has never mentioned it before or after
hahahhaha ok 'bob' ::)
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Jay posted as "Victorious Jay" in 2003 after his series of grand prix victories as a guest for a brief period but had a meltdown and left when IFBBWannaB ("U don't BB for life, BB is your life !!") started a thread saying that Jay had too much oil in his delts. In Jay's final post here in 2003, he posted a picture of him doing front raises with dumbbells for shoulders clearly showing the striations in his delts. I'm not sure if that was actually Jay though, but he posted under his real name for a brief period, before leaving again citing that he did not have enough time for the boards:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=profile;u=15998
Jay came here for 2 seconds earlier in the year...then promptly left when the morons started coming out in droves.
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Jay came here for 2 seconds earlier in the year...then promptly left when the morons started coming out in droves.
LMAO!! ;D As if there is ever a great "coming out of the woodwork" of morons here on getbig. It's a steady flow Bob. :) Jay left because he doesn't have time for this kind of thing. I get the sense that Jay is all business (sort of like you), and truly doesn't like being distracted from his goals at all.
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He didn't mind some people, it's the peanut gallery he could do without.....
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I'm not going to rehash the entire thing...again. JUst like 10 people at an accident all seem to see different things...
The post wasn't from Tom, it was from someone using the same handle with a period (.) at the ...
Doesn't take a genius to figure this one out...Tom hated Craigs guts.
I've read all of those studies too, Bob. People often remember different things during accidents when firstly given false information in the form of leading questions - for example "Was there a little bit of blood or a lot of blood at the scene of the accident?" The way that type of question is worded implies that there was blood, period. Meanwhile, there was no blood at all, but the individuals have already been swayed to answer in a certain way which results in the formation of false memories at times.
Cognitively it's not really the same thing in this case. What I'm saying is that people who did not go to getbig had read the comments that Tom had previously written. Some not only didn't read getbig, but didn't even know it had a message board or knew nothing about it at all. Where then did the false memory originate?
Also, I seldom forget these kinds of things. May I be wrong here? Possibly, but as I said, I very rarely am. I remember details like this very well, it's just how my brain operates. Also, I have spoken with Guy Grundy and he is a very credible person and I don't think he would put his own credibility and the credibility of Musclemag on the line by quoting from a guest under Tom's name. That would just be silly.
Speaking of which, I am backlogged in DVDs to review and did not review Guy's latest DVD yet. :-\ So I will plug his first DVD which was very well done:
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/guygrundybbdvdv1.html
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Dude was huge.
(http://www.builtreport.com/prince/005.jpg)
this is the extact proof to what i keep saying to you ,,,we are all the same and when we are sick we are even smaller ,,if you got good frame and good symetry and you have good responde to the syntetic hormone testosterone and dianabol etc you too my friend can become professional bodybuilder
prince was never a freak to begin with,,,his response to hormones and a lot of them inadditon to other drugs created a freak,,powerful freak ,,,but yet hormone freak and nothing more
we are all the pretty much the same with the couple of people that truely are natural freaks before hormones but they are no tom prince and no kevin and no dorian,,the natural freaks are from eastern europe,,south america and africa,,also very small %
sergio,,arnold,,ron,,those would be big guys even with no hormones,,,all the today guys would be skinny pffs with no hormones for couple years
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this is the extact proof to what i keep saying to you ,,,we are all the same and when we are sick we are even smaller ,,if you got good frame and good symetry and you have good responde to the syntetic hormone testosterone and dianabol etc you too my friend can become professional bodybuilder
prince was never a freak to begin with,,,his response to hormones and a lot of them inadditon to other drugs created a freak,,powerful freak ,,,but yet hormone freak and nothing more
we are all the pretty much the same with the couple of people that truely are natural freaks before hormones but they are no tom prince and no kevin and no dorian,,the natural freaks are from eastern europe,,south america and africa,,also very small %
sergio,,arnold,,ron,,those would be big guys even with no hormones,,,all the today guys would be skinny pffs with no hormones for couple years
So what do you think about Padilla, Columbo, Ferrigno w/o AAS?
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Jeff, do you remember when TP came on here and called Craig out? The thread was deleted after a while and I had copied it for posterity but lost it since...it was some wild no holds barred shit...he calls him out for intentionally selling fake drugs, stealing money from people, fucking other people's wives and numerous other things I can't remember...I loved it...
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padila ,,short and chubby or skinny
columbo ,,short thin and sickly looking
ferigno,,,tall with about same musculairty of wady with out hormones
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padila ,,short and chubby or skinny
columbo ,,short thin and sickly looking
ferigno,,,tall with about same musculairty of wady with out hormones
gh15, what about Bob Chick off AAS?
I thought you said Italians were good BBers...like Levrone who was a mix of Black and Italian?
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Jeff, do you remember when TP came on here and called Craig out? The thread was deleted after a while and I had copied it for posterity but lost it since...it was some wild no holds barred shit...he calls him out for intentionally selling fake drugs, stealing money from people, fucking other people's wives and numerous other things I can't remember...I loved it...
When Matt T came on here and exposed 240 or Bust (subsequently leading to 240's 15 minute meltdown and account deletion/renewal) I saved the thread and unlike you, I did not since lose it. ;D
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Jeff, do you remember when TP came on here and called Craig out? The thread was deleted after a while and I had copied it for posterity but lost it since...it was some wild no holds barred shit...he calls him out for intentionally selling fake drugs, stealing money from people, fucking other people's wives and numerous other things I can't remember...I loved it...
Tom would accuse anybody, of anything on the boards.
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Tom would accuse anybody, of anything on the boards.
In craig's case I think it was all true. ;D
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gh15, what about Bob Chick off AAS?
I thought you said Italians were good BBers...like Levrone who was a mix of Black and Italian?
bob would be big guy but nothing like what he became on hormones,,bob would be like the leaf kid but bigger taller thicker version of it if was natural at single digit,,he is not good example because he actually trained for dozens of years with little time off so his foundation is to take to the grave
levrone would look avrage with out hormones
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I wonder if Bob could hold a lean 220 at his height. And by lean, I do mean a true 6%. Since he is taller, that would be quite a build. I know guys around his height that are 200 but very lean and look huge.
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In craig's case I think it was all true. ;D
Pretty much and there's alot more he didn't mention.
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I wonder if Bob could hold a lean 220 at his height. And by lean, I do mean a true 6%. Since he is taller, that would be quite a build. I know guys around his height that are 200 but very lean and look huge.
If you mean natural , I say nope
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If you mean natural , I say nope
Your wifes hot.
Where did you meet?
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If you mean natural , I say nope
hmm...maybe 210. He is tall for a bodybuilder so who knows.
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Your wifes hot.
Where did you meet?
1st warning NOC , stop talking shit about my wife, if you don't want to get banned , >:(
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1st warning NOC , stop talking shit about my wife, if you don't want to get banned , >:(
ROFL! ;D
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hmm...maybe 210. He is tall for a bodybuilder so who knows.
I say 215 natural at 10%bf
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Guys, my wife is off limits! >:( >:( >:(
(http://www.collegelaughs.ca/college-girls/white_wet_tshirt.jpg)
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me and my buddy want to have your wife, ok?
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I say 215 natural at 10%bf
that would be about right.....I was 198 lbs natural in contest condition waaaay back in 1990 still managing to take a 5th at the Nats...I would imagine another 18 years of training since then has put on a few lbs. of muscle....215 -220 would be close
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that would be about right.....I was 198 lbs natural in contest condition waaaay back in 1990 still managing to take a 5th at the Nats...I would imagine another 18 years of training since then has put on a few lbs. of muscle....215 -220 would be close
So Bob, for guys not on HRT or any other gear, would you say just keep plugging it away with moderate reps and good diet like you? What do you recommend in terms of nutrition to grow (not fat)?
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So Bob, for guys not on HRT or any other gear, would you say just keep plugging it away with moderate reps and good diet like you? What do you recommend in terms of nutrition to grow (not fat)?
CONSISTANCY is the key...always has been.
Consistancy in eating clean foods, training...
Training SMARTER not HARDER.
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CONSISTANCY is the key...always has been.
Consistancy in eating clean foods, training...
Training SMARTER not HARDER.
Well said
When you get older ,you train more smarter ;D ;D
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I think a lot of retired pros just give it up completely...not just drugs but the whole works. Maybe they just see no pleasure in being smaller and muscular, and it's all or nothing with them. I don't see why a retired pro couldn't still hold decent size even clean or just on HRT.
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I think a lot of retired pros just give it up completely...not just drugs but the whole works. Maybe they just see no pleasure in being smaller and muscular, and it's all or nothing with them. I don't see why a retired pro couldn't still hold decent size even clean or just on HRT.
Many do...Gaspari, Labrada, Yates, Haney, Padilla, Bannout...all retain god conditioning and decent size. Others simply walk away as "retired"means just that...DONE!
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Many do...Gaspari, Labrada, Yates, Haney, Padilla, Bannout...all retain god conditioning and decent size. Others simply walk away as "retired"means just that...DONE!
good point...
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ha ha,
10 people read the same thread and see different things?
monster analogy there chick.
I remember tom kidney's classic post
"I'd like to seem him try something in front of 800 lbs of muscle"
despite your attempts to do damage control (basically by lying),
too many people read that gay thread to deny it.
I'm not going to rehash the entire thing...again. JUst like 10 people at an accident all seem to see different things...
The post wasn't from Tom, it was from someone using the same handle with a period (.) at the ...
Doesn't take a genius to figure this one out...Tom hated Craigs guts.
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ha ha,
10 people read the same thread and see different things?
monster analogy there chick.
I remember tom kidney's classic post
"I'd like to seem him try something in front of 800 lbs of muscle"
despite your attempts to do damage control (basically by lying),
too many people read that gay thread to deny it.
don't push it dearth
keep slandering chick's twink bottom and you'll get your ass banned.
you've been warned.
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;D ;D
A short sleeved shirt over a long sleeved shirt..... wow.
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I remember tom kidney's classic post
"I'd like to seem him try something in front of 800 lbs of muscle"
I remember that vividly!
The bottom line, is that the post was NOT a figment of anyones imagination. Here, at GetBig, or Mayhem.
Why can't he just own up to saying he wrote the post? ::)
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ha ha,
10 people read the same thread and see different things?
monster analogy there chick.
I remember tom kidney's classic post
"I'd like to seem him try something in front of 800 lbs of muscle"
despite your attempts to do damage control (basically by lying),
too many people read that gay thread to deny it.
I don't forget something like that...I just don't. It should be obvious from my posts here that I can remember past threads dating back years with extreme accuracy. Should you research them and happen to find them at www.archive.org you will see that I am indeed accurate. The main proof that Tom did post that at mayhem is that people read the thread who NEVER read getbig. Then how did they read it if not on mayhem?
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Please....it was MADE to look like TP posted it. I'm not saying it never exsisted....I'm sayimg that TP never made the post.
Why not ask yourselves the easiest and most basic of questions? why on Gods green earth would Tom come to Craigs defense when they absolutely hated each other. Tom despised Craig as his later posts would indicate...
It wasn't posted on Mayhem, it was posted HERE as if it was over there....strangly, no one seems to be able to find it now...Hmmmmm.
God you guys are easily duped........
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Why not ask yourselves the easiest and most basic of questions? why on Gods green earth would Tom come to Craigs defense when they absolutely hated each other. Tom despised Craig as his later posts would indicate...
I'm an ectomorph...Tom is an EGOmorph. ;D
If you're seeking Tom's motivation, he was just bigging himself up as being able to beat an MMA fighter.
For the record Bob, the thread WAS here:
http://www.chadnicholls.net/forums/showthread.php?p=401425
Of course somebody on mayhem had it either deleted or moved which is why it cannot be viewed. It has since been deleted from the google cache archives and is not available at archive.org.
As I said, people saw the thread who had never even heard of getbig. I could possibly buy that someone else posted under Tom Prince's account (although even that is far out there), but I will not accept that it was not ever posted on mayhem.
PS - I'm pretty sure I have a copy of it on my old computer which was stolen but later recovered but now needs a lot of work to retrieve all the past data. I was in the habit of saving screen caps at the time to prove my case in instances like these.
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and doesn't read the boards anyway...
Tom told me today at the gym that I'm "still the biggest douchebag he's ever met" so he does indeed still read the boards.
Monster proof that Tom still reads the boards.
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you're assuming that Tom Kidney's applied some sort of logical thinking in his posts?
he probably made that post on one of his nubain "maintenance" days.
btw - all ifbb pro/drug users have a tendency to tell little lies,
including covering up for their disgraced friends.
Please....it was MADE to look like TP posted it. I'm not saying it never exsisted....I'm sayimg that TP never made the post.
Why not ask yourselves the easiest and most basic of questions? why on Gods green earth would Tom come to Craigs defense when they absolutely hated each other. Tom despised Craig as his later posts would indicate...
It wasn't posted on Mayhem, it was posted HERE as if it was over there....strangly, no one seems to be able to find it now...Hmmmmm.
God you guys are easily duped........
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Monster proof that Tom still reads the boards.
of course he still reads the boards, he wouldn't be human if he didn't, EVERYONE wants to know what people are saying about them regardless of what they claim.
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God you guys are easily duped........
Explain that one to us Bob. How were we duped?
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PLEASE STOP POSTING NASSAR PICTURES IN EVERY F U C KING THREAD
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Tom [...] doesn't read the boards anyway...
Tom told me today [...] he does indeed still read the boards.
HAHAHA.
Tom obviously still spends several hours a day on here.
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of course he does.
he checks it out while he's working at the counter... whatelse is there to do?
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ha ha, Bast is Sicilian too. European negroes. Do you hate jobs?
Yes. ;D
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Tom told me today [...] he does indeed still read the boards.
Interesting...
Is there any doubt that Tom still reads the boards? He's reading them as we speak in fact.
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