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His stomach always seemed flat.
Discuss...
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His stomach always seemed flat.
Discuss...
same goes with shawn ray and many others yet today you see guys get it quick like cook and heath and evan centaponi (spelling?)
Now I cannot say for certain anything im no doctor or expert but you have to think what exactly changed
a) there is no doubt that the amounts taken today are greater, not just when it comes to GH and insulin but every test, deca etc, and they are not just greater amounts but many take way more compounds at a time
b) GH only became more affordable in the late 90's early 2000, for those who took GH back then they took 1-2iu's a day at max many didnt take GH simply because they couldnt afford it (remember GH is not slin you need to use it at least 4-6 months to see any changes)
c) there was no igf-1 lr3 back then, most who use this in these days really take way too much
d) Those taking GH or IGF will notice that when they stop training yes they will lose size but not as quick as back in the day when they only did test dbol etc cycles, in the 90's when these guys stopped training for a week they lost so much size quickly, again that means many where simply taking slin / test style cycles and did not include gh
GH alone at small doses will not give you a guy, remember all those guys doing HRT cycles dont have this problems and there are millions of men in america who are on HRT taking 1-2ius a day
I think abusing IGF and GF + SLIN is the cause of the guts
Dex says he put on 7 lbs of muscle leading up to the arnold and he plans on putting on 7 more lbs for the olympia and he can do it since "he and his trainer figured something out" or whatever he said.
Thats about 14lbs of muscle in 12-14 months, what new do you guys think hes taking, heath put on at least 25lbs in a year what do you think hes taking guys like evan put on 40lbs in a year hes not even 25 yrs old or maybe just hit 25, heath is 28, so its not years of training obviously.
Another note now most take humilin r, since you need a script for humalog in the USA what that means is that now you have a spike for 10-14 hours vs the 2 hours humalog gives you, meaning that you now have to be careful all day with your carb intake and we all knows thats impossible to do all the time.
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levrone never wanted it bad enough.
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His stomach always seemed flat.
Discuss...
He had one, check the 1998 BFTO and Shawn Ray's "Final Countdown". He's shaking hands with Ray backstage.
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He controlled it at all times.
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He had one, check the 1998 BFTO and Shawn Ray's "Final Countdown". He's shaking hands with Ray backstage.
link ?
I dont see any guy on any of these guys
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His stomach always seemed flat.
Discuss...
Hi Earl
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same goes with shawn ray and many others yet today you see guys get it quick like cook and heath and evan centaponi (spelling?)
Now I cannot say for certain anything im no doctor or expert but you have to think what exactly changed
a) there is no doubt that the amounts taken today are greater, not just when it comes to GH and insulin but every test, deca etc, and they are not just greater amounts but many take way more compounds at a time
b) GH only became more affordable in the late 90's early 2000, for those who took GH back then they took 1-2iu's a day at max many didnt take GH simply because they couldnt afford it (remember GH is not slin you need to use it at least 4-6 months to see any changes)
c) there was no igf-1 lr3 back then, most who use this in these days really take way too much
d) Those taking GH or IGF will notice that when they stop training yes they will lose size but not as quick as back in the day when they only did test dbol etc cycles, in the 90's when these guys stopped training for a week they lost so much size quickly, again that means many where simply taking slin / test style cycles and did not include gh
GH alone at small doses will not give you a guy, remember all those guys doing HRT cycles dont have this problems and there are millions of men in america who are on HRT taking 1-2ius a day
I think abusing IGF and GF + SLIN is the cause of the guts
Dex says he put on 7 lbs of muscle leading up to the arnold and he plans on putting on 7 more lbs for the olympia and he can do it since "he and his trainer figured something out" or whatever he said.
Thats about 14lbs of muscle in 12-14 months, what new do you guys think hes taking, heath put on at least 25lbs in a year what do you think hes taking guys like evan put on 40lbs in a year hes not even 25 yrs old or maybe just hit 25, heath is 28, so its not years of training obviously.
Another note now most take humilin r, since you need a script for humalog in the USA what that means is that now you have a spike for 10-14 hours vs the 2 hours humalog gives you, meaning that you now have to be careful all day with your carb intake and we all knows thats impossible to do all the time.
How available do you believe IGF-1 to be? I have heard the only ones who use it are the biochemists who made it; in other words, no one has access to it.
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How available do you believe IGF-1 to be? I have heard the only ones who use it are the biochemists who made it; in other words, no one has access to it.
IT'S VERY AVAILABLE DUMB ASS!
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i think is beacause levrone and ray didnt stay on the gear+gh+ins year round for 10 years plus only took gear show time ..
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link ?
I dont see any guy on any of these guys
Don't have the link. I have both vids, I'll check if they are youtube. But they are backstage, "Final Countdown", shows one clip of backstage at the 1998 O, and BFTO 98 shows another clip of backstage.
Hell, even Flex Wheeler had a gut on his 1997 video "Mass Construction"...this is the man whose waist was smaller than Shawn Ray's at the 1993 O.
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same goes with shawn ray and many others yet today you see guys get it quick like cook and heath and evan centaponi (spelling?)
Now I cannot say for certain anything im no doctor or expert but you have to think what exactly changed
a) there is no doubt that the amounts taken today are greater, not just when it comes to GH and insulin but every test, deca etc, and they are not just greater amounts but many take way more compounds at a time
b) GH only became more affordable in the late 90's early 2000, for those who took GH back then they took 1-2iu's a day at max many didnt take GH simply because they couldnt afford it (remember GH is not slin you need to use it at least 4-6 months to see any changes)
c) there was no igf-1 lr3 back then, most who use this in these days really take way too much
d) Those taking GH or IGF will notice that when they stop training yes they will lose size but not as quick as back in the day when they only did test dbol etc cycles, in the 90's when these guys stopped training for a week they lost so much size quickly, again that means many where simply taking slin / test style cycles and did not include gh
GH alone at small doses will not give you a guy, remember all those guys doing HRT cycles dont have this problems and there are millions of men in america who are on HRT taking 1-2ius a day
I think abusing IGF and GF + SLIN is the cause of the guts
Dex says he put on 7 lbs of muscle leading up to the arnold and he plans on putting on 7 more lbs for the olympia and he can do it since "he and his trainer figured something out" or whatever he said.
Thats about 14lbs of muscle in 12-14 months, what new do you guys think hes taking, heath put on at least 25lbs in a year what do you think hes taking guys like evan put on 40lbs in a year hes not even 25 yrs old or maybe just hit 25, heath is 28, so its not years of training obviously.
Another note now most take humilin r, since you need a script for humalog in the USA what that means is that now you have a spike for 10-14 hours vs the 2 hours humalog gives you, meaning that you now have to be careful all day with your carb intake and we all knows thats impossible to do all the time.
Muscularny
What will reverse this GH gut, from Nasser who is in his mid-40's? Is there hope for this BELLYBUILDER?
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Dex says he put on 7 lbs of muscle leading up to the arnold and he plans on putting on 7 more lbs for the olympia and he can do it since "he and his trainer figured something out" or whatever he said.
Dexter already has a bit of a gut, and has had it for years.
"On Swole" here has said Dex never used insulin.
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Muscularny
What will reverse this GH gut, from Nasser who is in his mid-40's? Is there hope for this BELLYBUILDER?
Shhhhh, you will trigger a rebuttle from the Guido Gang.
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IT'S VERY AVAILABLE DUMB ASS!
It is available. The problem is that it is not very stable. So, by the time you get the product, the molecular chains are broken and the product is not nearly as effective.
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It is available. The problem is that it is not very stable. So, by the time you get the product, the molecular chains are broken and the product is not nearly as effective.
unless you live on the northpole. 8)
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same goes with shawn ray and many others yet today you see guys get it quick like cook and heath and evan centaponi (spelling?)
Evan has a gut? haha find some pics I see him in the gym and that kid has no gut at all. ::)
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Muscularny
What will reverse this GH gut, from Nasser who is in his mid-40's? Is there hope for this BELLYBUILDER?
Legendary pic...300 with flabs!
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His stomach always seemed flat.
Discuss...
Because he didn't take GH?
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same goes with shawn ray and many others yet today you see guys get it quick like cook and heath and evan centaponi (spelling?)
Now I cannot say for certain anything im no doctor or expert but you have to think what exactly changed
a) there is no doubt that the amounts taken today are greater, not just when it comes to GH and insulin but every test, deca etc, and they are not just greater amounts but many take way more compounds at a time
b) GH only became more affordable in the late 90's early 2000, for those who took GH back then they took 1-2iu's a day at max many didnt take GH simply because they couldnt afford it (remember GH is not slin you need to use it at least 4-6 months to see any changes)
c) there was no igf-1 lr3 back then, most who use this in these days really take way too much
d) Those taking GH or IGF will notice that when they stop training yes they will lose size but not as quick as back in the day when they only did test dbol etc cycles, in the 90's when these guys stopped training for a week they lost so much size quickly, again that means many where simply taking slin / test style cycles and did not include gh
GH alone at small doses will not give you a guy, remember all those guys doing HRT cycles dont have this problems and there are millions of men in america who are on HRT taking 1-2ius a day
I think abusing IGF and GF + SLIN is the cause of the guts
Dex says he put on 7 lbs of muscle leading up to the arnold and he plans on putting on 7 more lbs for the olympia and he can do it since "he and his trainer figured something out" or whatever he said.
Thats about 14lbs of muscle in 12-14 months, what new do you guys think hes taking, heath put on at least 25lbs in a year what do you think hes taking guys like evan put on 40lbs in a year hes not even 25 yrs old or maybe just hit 25, heath is 28, so its not years of training obviously.
Another note now most take humilin r, since you need a script for humalog in the USA what that means is that now you have a spike for 10-14 hours vs the 2 hours humalog gives you, meaning that you now have to be careful all day with your carb intake and we all knows thats impossible to do all the time.
Good Answer!
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i really have no clew about this phenonemon but, from what i recall disgusted mentioning on the subject, the gut is largely attributable to staying on insulin and growth year round combined with bulking which causes intra abdominal or intra muscular fat (not sure which).
considering that levrone only geared up a few months out would indicate that he mustn't have gained much fat, if at all, because he was cutting for the contest ie he didn't bulk on insulin.
ray gained perhaps 20lbs max over his contest weight in the offseason which would also indicate that he wasn't a fan of the massive weight gain bulk up thing.
conversely, those that did (gain massive amounts of bulk offseason), while certainly being the most massive on stage, also had the largest gut ie yates, sonbaty etc.
what drugs combined with excess calories actually caused this i don't know (ask disgusted) but i am quite sure the bulk up, with juice only, was not the cause as many pro bbers 60s - 80s were very fond of the offseason bulk up and would actually have eating (pig out) competitions on a regular basis, but with no gut come comp time.
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because he was only on it for show prep and not along time. Remember he didnt even train 5-7 months a year.
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levrone never wanted it bad enough.
lol
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what drugs combined with excess calories actually caused this i don't know (ask disgusted) but i am quite sure the bulk up, with juice only, was not the cause as many pro bbers 60s - 80s were very fond of the offseason bulk up and would actually have eating (pig out) competitions on a regular basis, but with no gut come comp time.
Before GH and insulin it was called 'roid gut'. I'm sure some here would agree that steroids can make the belly stand out a bit more, compared to being off.
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Before GH and insulin it was called 'roid gut'. I'm sure some here would agree that steroids can make the belly stand out a bit more, compared to being off.
perhaps, but i can't recall ever seeing a an archive pic of a contest ready top flight 60s or 70s bber with a gut. certainly not of any significance.
anyone got any pics?
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perhaps, but i can't recall ever seeing a an archive pic of a contest ready top flight 60s or 70s bber with a gut. certainly not of any significance.
anyone got any pics?
never such a thing back then
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Why did Levrone never get the GH gut?
Hi Earl.
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Arnold said it was the reason Mentzer lost in 79
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg199/csuponcic/mike.jpg)
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IT'S VERY AVAILABLE DUMB ASS!
Just because vials labeled with "IGF1" are sold to dumasses like you by U-Labs doesn't mean that it's indeed IGF1 what you're injecting.... :D
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Just because vials labeled with "IGF1" are sold to dumasses like you by U-Labs doesn't mean that it's indeed IGF1 what you're injecting.... :D
What is it then? It lowers your blood sugar, makes you tired, seems to lower bodyfat, etc. It's not insulin or GH.
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conversely, those that did (gain massive amounts of bulk offseason), while certainly being the most massive on stage, also had the largest gut ie yates, sonbaty etc.
But Lee Priest didn't
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But Lee Priest didn't
maybe he didn't use much insulin during his bulk. dunno... :-\
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Hi Earl
Hi Earl.
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Hi Earl.
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Arnold said it was the reason Mentzer lost in 79
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg199/csuponcic/mike.jpg)
yep, he would.
mentzer's midsection owned arnold's.
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that shawn ray clip was awesome, he looks amazing in that..
And that nasser photo, hahahahahaha, what a worthless pile of shit, his gut looks about 78 inches or so
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yep, he would.
mentzer's midsection owned arnold's.
Got to disagree with you there beast Mentzers waist was to thick next to Arnolds
Front
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg199/csuponcic/arnoldzane.jpg)(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg199/csuponcic/mike2.jpg)
Side(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg199/csuponcic/arnold3.jpg)(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg199/csuponcic/mike-1.jpg)
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Mr. Levrone was just superior, it is that simple 8)
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!
8) 8) 8)
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Arnold said it was the reason Mentzer lost in 79
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg199/csuponcic/mike.jpg)
Wow they had SHITTY delts!! Never noticed that before.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=179471.0;attach=209133)
gh gut and not much else.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=179471.0;attach=209133)
gh gut and not much else.
Not much else? LMAO!!! I guess those "tiny" arms,delts,traps and pecs are nothing.
The shitty lighting and being not in top conditon make you think he got "not much else" but he is packing quite alot of muscle in that pic.
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Not much else? LMAO!!! I guess those "tiny" arms,delts,traps and pecs are nothing.
The shitty lighting and being not in top conditon make you think he got "not much else" but he is packing quite alot of muscle in that pic.
calm down, tiger. It's not that serious.
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Just because vials labeled with "IGF1" are sold to dumasses like you by U-Labs doesn't mean that it's indeed IGF1 what you're injecting.... :D
Ich hatte die Information dem beruehmten Schwarzen Buch entnommen. Darin stand beim Thema IGF-1, dass es hoechst unwahrscheinlich ist, dass Profis es einfahren, erstens weil es nahezu unerhaeltlich sei und zweitens weil es keinen Sinn hat, Insulin sowie HGH einzufahren und NOCH dazu IGF-1, weil IGF-1 bessere Ergebnisse als beide andere bringe und weitere Vorteile gegenueber HGH/Insulin biete. Fazit: wenn Profis wirklich Zugang zu IGF-1 haetten, braeuchten sie HGH/Insulin nicht. Zumindest laut des Schwarzen Buches. Das war allerdings die 2005 Auflage, wenn ich mich recht entsinne.
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Levrone never pushed the issue with what size he genetically could handle. Thats why he doesn't have a gut.
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also, levrone never competed that much over 250.
had he come in at 260, then there'd be a difference.
most people close to 260 will have a gut or some distension.
cutler does not, however, he has an extremely wide waist, where as yates, nasser, etc. did not.
i think it more has to do with the weight on the bbers frame.
for instance, i bet flex used as much insulin as anyone, especially with his shitty training, but never really had a gut - at 5'10 and 230 lbs. at his best.
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He had one, check the 1998 BFTO and Shawn Ray's "Final Countdown". He's shaking hands with Ray backstage.
levrone totally dwrafed the shit out of shawn backstage.
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Ich hatte die Information dem beruehmten Schwarzen Buch entnommen. Darin stand beim Thema IGF-1, dass es hoechst unwahrscheinlich ist, dass Profis es einfahren, erstens weil es nahezu unerhaeltlich sei und zweitens weil es keinen Sinn hat, Insulin sowie HGH einzufahren und NOCH dazu IGF-1, weil IGF-1 bessere Ergebnisse als beide andere bringe und weitere Vorteile gegenueber HGH/Insulin biete. Fazit: wenn Profis wirklich Zugang zu IGF-1 haetten, braeuchten sie HGH/Insulin nicht. Zumindest laut des Schwarzen Buches. Das war allerdings die 2005 Auflage, wenn ich mich recht entsinne.
Es ist sehr unwahrscheinlich dass "echtes" IGF-1 im Umlauf ist. Und wenn man sich Erfahrungsberichte zu gemüte führt hat auch Niemand der sich das "vermeintliche" Schwarzmarkt-IGF-1 eingefahren hat (frag mich überhaupt wie man so blöd/lebensmüde sein kann sich Zeug reinzuhauen von dem man nichtmal weiß was wirklich drin ist) dramatische Erfolge damit erzielt.
Die nächste Fake-Schwemme auf die 1000e von Idioten reinfallen werden dann wohl angebliche Myostatin-Blocker sein.... :D
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Es ist sehr unwahrscheinlich dass "echtes" IGF-1 im Umlauf ist. Und wenn man sich Erfahrungsberichte zu gemüte führt hat auch Niemand der sich das "vermeintliche" Schwarzmarkt-IGF-1 eingefahren hat (frag mich überhaupt wie man so blöd/lebensmüde sein kann sich Zeug reinzuhauen von dem man nichtmal weiß was wirklich drin ist) dramatische Erfolge damit erzielt.
Die nächste Fake-Schwemme auf die 1000e von Idioten reinfallen werden dann wohl angebliche Myostatin-Blocker sein.... :D
Hitler joined the board?
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Hitler joined the board?
::) ::)
Oh boy, american midwest ignorance at its finest.
How's the air in the trailer park?
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Es ist sehr unwahrscheinlich dass "echtes" IGF-1 im Umlauf ist. Und wenn man sich Erfahrungsberichte zu gemüte führt hat auch Niemand der sich das "vermeintliche" Schwarzmarkt-IGF-1 eingefahren hat (frag mich überhaupt wie man so blöd/lebensmüde sein kann sich Zeug reinzuhauen von dem man nichtmal weiß was wirklich drin ist) dramatische Erfolge damit erzielt.
Die nächste Fake-Schwemme auf die 1000e von Idioten reinfallen werden dann wohl angebliche Myostatin-Blocker sein.... :D
Das ist die Sache. Warum soll jemand HGH/Insulin zu sich nehmen, wenn IGF-1 (echtes) noch bessere Ergebnisse hervorbringen kann, ohne dass man die anderen Substanzen nehmen muss.
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He controlled it at all times.
yes, specially in his later years.
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::) ::)
Oh boy, american midwest ignorance at its finest.
How's the air in the trailer park?
Did I accidentally stepped on your pussy...sorry... ::)
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Did I accidentally stepped on your pussy...sorry... ::)
Epic Get Big English! ::)
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Yep. Levrone had one too towards the end.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=179471.0;attach=209133)
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Yep. Levrone had one too towards the end.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=179471.0;attach=209133)
It's not too bad considering he's offseason and completely relaxed on this picture.
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Epic Get Big English! ::)
Said the man who used "epic" ::)
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who cares about levrone, did you see how vascular shawn ray was in the most muscular? Looking sick!
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Not much else? LMAO!!! I guess those "tiny" arms,delts,traps and pecs are nothing.
The shitty lighting and being not in top conditon make you think he got "not much else" but he is packing quite alot of muscle in that pic.
don't take anything that "calmus" says seriously
Mr. Levrone owned him in real life which scarred "calmus" feelings 8)
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who cares about levrone, did you see how vascular shawn ray was in the most muscular? Looking sick!
since when does vascularity make a difference in a contest?
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It's simple.. Kevin obviously used less GH/Insulin.
And it's not only his gut, but forehead, elbows, which seem perfectly normal even after retirement. Kevin actually looks good for a 40 year old considering what he had to put his body through. On the other hand, guys like Ronnie, Dorian and Nasser will look oddly distorted unless they stay on HRT for the rest of their lives. Imagine them off gear.. They'd have huge heads and stomachs in proportion to the rest of their bodies.
Say what you want about Kevin. But atleast he can look like a normal, healthy and decent looking individual out in public. Can't say this about any of the other greats. :-\
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damn right 8)
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I very highly doubt Shawn used insulin gh maybe but insulin no his changes were to gradual and calculated
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I very highly doubt Shawn used insulin gh maybe but insulin no his changes were to gradual and calculated
Considering how weak he was I might even belive Shawn was natural :P
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Instead of putting ON 50 pounds in the "off-season" like most of these fatasses do, he LOST 50 pounds...