Getbig Bodybuilding, Figure and Fitness Forums
Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: lockman on April 06, 2006, 06:46:49 PM
-
presently on my third cycle of test cyp. and d-bol...just had a quick question about a particular side affect of d-bol...taking 50mgs per day for 4 weeks but I feel really flush and I look like I'm red all over...( sorta like sunburn) had the same effect with my other cycles at smaller doses but not as severe...been drinking plenty of water also...should I cut out the d-bol and switch to a-bombs (never dealt with a-bombs before so don't know if I'll have same affect with them also) or lower my dose ? Or is this a common effect that happens to most.. ???
-
go as fast as you can and check your blood pressure before you have a heart attack
-
presently on my third cycle of test cyp. and d-bol...just had a quick question about a particular side affect of d-bol...taking 50mgs per day for 4 weeks but I feel really flush and I look like I'm red all over...( sorta like sunburn) had the same effect with my other cycles at smaller doses but not as severe...been drinking plenty of water also...should I cut out the d-bol and switch to a-bombs (never dealt with a-bombs before so don't know if I'll have same affect with them also) or lower my dose ? Or is this a common effect that happens to most.. ???
Dbol sucks IMO...the sides I have with it far outweigh the gains. If dbol affects you negatively, then a-bombs will be just as bad.
-
maybe your warm blooded
thats why your so red or your just irish?
take the d-bol and enjoy it.you people find so many excuses
not to do things the right way.
steroids is not a drug
your not going to feel stoned,your not going to see things.
why do you guys take gear if you guys are going to cry and bitch
if you dont like what its doing then stop taking the shit.
CRY ME A FUCKING RIVER!!!!
-
maybe your warm blooded
thats why your so red or your just irish?
take the d-bol and enjoy it.you people find so many excuses
not to do things the right way.
steroids is not a drug
your not going to feel stoned,your not going to see things.
why do you guys take gear if you guys are going to cry and bitch
if you dont like what its doing then stop taking the shit.
CRY ME A FUCKING RIVER!!!!
There not drugs ::) Then WTF are they?
-
The only side effect i got from dbol was alot of zits on my back, but i really dont know if it was the test or the dbol or a combination of the both. anyway i just try to shower twice a day and tan 3 times a week. that helps keeps the zits to a minimum.
-
they are not drugs and if you think so your just as screwed up as the rest of them.
are you high when you take them?
is it mind altering?
can you not controll yourself when on them?
are you going crazy pulling your hair out
robbing your family to get these?
if you answer no to any of these then they would not be considered DRUGS.
the goverment see's them as drugs.but they are not.
-
its mostly from the test
-
yeah zeek i think it is cause my first cycle was test alone and i got backnee then too, but now that im on dbol it seems to be a little worse, and this is only the first week.
-
im irish, and yes even with my only test [e] cycle it looks like i have a tan or sunburn. dont mind it.
-
lockman, your blood pressure has been raised. keep the water thing going and watch your sodium/ niacin intake......
....and tell everyone you just got back from the beach ;D
-
gettinswole
use some lava soap that acne will go away.
-
I get flush as well with any gear i take. People ask me have you been tanning? Im like yep. Which I do anyway to get rid of the acne i get on my shoulders sometimes. Definately stay away from a lot of niacin products which are found in the supplements that are supposed to "give you an incredible pump" . This will also raise your bp
-
maybe your warm blooded
thats why your so red or your just irish?
take the d-bol and enjoy it.you people find so many excuses
not to do things the right way.
steroids is not a drug
your not going to feel stoned,your not going to see things.
why do you guys take gear if you guys are going to cry and bitch
if you dont like what its doing then stop taking the shit.
CRY ME A FUCKING RIVER!!!!
i ain't crying you ass!! just asked a question, no need to start spouting off like a second round third grader...I got an idea..instead of posting, why don't you just go back to watching your broke back mountain video-- moron
-
oh man my bad!
thats funny I just watched that movie.
hey tell your DAD he was great in the movie,maybe you guys can play with
each other and give each other reach arounds.
and its third class to you.SON.
-
steroids is not a drug[/quote] Websters definition of a drug is any substance that can be used to modify a chemical process or processes in the body, for example to treat an illness, relieve a symptom, enhance a performance or ability, or to alter states of mind. The word "drug" is etymologically derived from the Dutch/Low German word "droog", which means "dry", since in the past, most drugs were dried plant parts.
So I guess in your infinite wisdom you are far smarter than even a dictionary, which by the way you should use once in a while to improve your spelling and your use of grammar ... your petty remarks have no place on this board and it is obvious that you answer without regards to others...Do you think that people like DIV and Arnold got to be where they are by trash talking and bullying others that post on this board? No-- they honestly try and help people, not try to start a "play ground" fight...Grow up Zeek, I think that you have given some good advise in past posts but you need to cut out the bull, no body wants to put up with that crap..I'm just saying what I believe most board members are thinking...But if you still want to "bully" your way thru the posts, I want to let you know that I'm not going to bow down to your level...I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person ::)
-
maybe your warm blooded
thats why your so red or your just irish?
take the d-bol and enjoy it.you people find so many excuses
not to do things the right way.
steroids is not a drug
your not going to feel stoned,your not going to see things.
why do you guys take gear if you guys are going to cry and bitch
if you dont like what its doing then stop taking the shit.
CRY ME A FUCKING RIVER!!!!
Damn Zeek, lighten up on the dude. Its not like he asked a stupid question, or a pussified question either. I cant stand people who f**k with others because they think they hold some type of superiority over them. In your case maybe its over a rediculous post count??? You know not so long ago I recall you posting a real bitch like whiney ass question about how you couldnt eat and you couldnt sleep while you were on test(or whatever). Dont be such an ass to a person with a legit problem. High blood pressure is no joke; not being able to sleep or eat enough is a joke.
lockman --
Go to the doc, tell them what your situation is, tell them about the roids. They cant call the cops, the worst they can do is probably tell you to stop the juice.(and thats probably cause its illegal anyway)
Good luck
-
your right LEDD
i apolagise to everyone one on this topic
I forget I was once in this position.
I let my knowledge get over my head instead of helping.
but one point is steroids are not a drug!!!! they are chemicals
they are organic compounds: any of a large group of natural or synthetic
fatty substance containing four carbon rings including sex hormones.
I.E. testosterone runs threw your body naturaly so are you saying that testosterone is a drug that flows threw your body natural.
the only reason STEROIDS are looked at as drugs is cause that is how it is patrade.
as far as AAS it is a hormone that causes muscle and bone growth
-
as far as your high blood preasure it will balance out.
you have chemicals going threw your body,so your blood preasure will go up a little
nothing to feel worried about unless you feel faint or just sick or you have the shakes.
nothing a candy bar wont help,or a soda. if you get enough suger in your blood it will lower your blood preasure.
-
presently on my third cycle of test cyp. and d-bol...just had a quick question about a particular side affect of d-bol...taking 50mgs per day for 4 weeks but I feel really flush and I look like I'm red all over...( sorta like sunburn) had the same effect with my other cycles at smaller doses but not as severe...been drinking plenty of water also...should I cut out the d-bol and switch to a-bombs (never dealt with a-bombs before so don't know if I'll have same affect with them also) or lower my dose ? Or is this a common effect that happens to most.. ???
The redness is due to a combination of blood pressure and/or viscosity of the blood due to D-bol tendency to thicken the blood.
That's a common side.
Anadrol has the same effect. If you can't stand it, just stop running it.
50MG is the common dosage. Break up the dosage throughout the day, that might help.
DIV
-
Ban ZEEK As soon as possible. He is dispensing wong information that may cause someone who takes him seriously harm.
-
The dbols cause the same reaction in me: I can't take 2 let alone 4. blood pressure sky rockets, my head, face and neck turn beet red and it last all day. You can try spacing them out throughout the day but that still didn't help me much. I tried using the blood pressure machines at the pharmacies yet my arm hit 13 inches and no longer fit....
Oddly enough- i tried a few methyl test and it didn't cause anything remotely like what happened with the dbol. Methyl test may be worse in other areas though so it's a tough call.
I can do 1 dbol twice a day and not get overly high bp. spreading them out this way, my bp hit 140 / 108. Way too high for me. as without dbol- my bp is normally 110/70. I had low blood pressure . Not much point in doing 1 or 2 dbol per day for many people.
Zeek is of course, just another handle of one of the many goofs on the board who always post like this. useless shit meant to get a reaction. pay no attention.
-
and im wrong because of WHAT?
-
and im wrong because of WHAT?
If you don't know then you don't need to be giving out information kiddo.
-
maybe your the one that dosnt know,but you need to feel
like you know something. Im been dealing with this stuff while you were still
swimming in your fathers balls.
-
maybe your the one that dosnt know,but you need to feel
like you know something. Im been dealing with this stuff while you were still
swimming in your fathers balls.
Right...And you think Anabolic Steroids aren't classified as Drugs?
::)
-
they are classified as drugs because of the goverment.
go back in time like when steroids were dicovered and learn something.
when things are used for medical purpose thats when it is classified as drugs
so Ill say it again TESTOSTERONE is a drug from the goverments stand point.
but sisnce you produce this naturally how is it a drug.
i hate people like you you grauate from some SLD class's and you think you know something.
you were one of those dumb ass's that road home on the short bus with socks on your hands so you wouldnt chew on them.
-
they are classified as drugs because of the goverment.
go back in time like when steroids were dicovered and learn something.
when things are used for medical purpose thats when it is classified as drugs
so Ill say it again TESTOSTERONE is a drug from the goverments stand point.
but sisnce you produce this naturally how is it a drug.
i hate people like you you grauate from some SLD class's and you think you know something.
you were one of those dumb ass's that road home on the short bus with socks on your hands so you wouldnt chew on them.
Anabolic steroids are classified as "Performance enhancing drugs".
By definition..
Drug-A drug is any substance that can be used to modify a chemical process or processes in the body, for example to treat an illness, relieve a symptom, enhance a performance or ability, or to alter states of mind.
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
Anabolic steroids do just that. They modify the process of protein synthesis in the body thus they are "drugs".
"Testosterone" itself when used in anabolic steroids is a SYNTHETIC form of testosterone which IS often used to treat or cure illness. Used for cancer patients to help them gain weight for instance.
If you've been studying Anabolic Steroids for over 25 years(Which is how old I am) then you really must be a fucking moron not to know these basic things!
-
Anabolic steroids are classified as "Performance enhancing drugs".
By definition..
Drug-A drug is any substance that can be used to modify a chemical process or processes in the body, for example to treat an illness, relieve a symptom, enhance a performance or ability, or to alter states of mind.
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
Anabolic steroids do just that. They modify the process of protein synthesis in the body thus they are "drugs".
"Testosterone" itself when used in anabolic steroids is a SYNTHETIC form of testosterone which IS often used to treat or cure illness. Used for cancer patients to help them gain weight for instance.
If you've been studying Anabolic Steroids for over 25 years(Which is how old I am) then you really must be a fucking moron not to know these basic things!
Wow....i think that about sums it up! good post...
-
you need you go learn some more youngster
your just like all the other morons that dont go back to time and learn you take
what some one tells you now.here a example since you like to sit a home and jerk off to a poster of JESUS.
How many bibbles were written before your time and how many times has it been changed.
its the same with steroids go back in time and do some research. steroids started be conidered drugs when it could not be taxed and sold legal.
so you go look in a dictionary of the word drug WOW but you didnt look up steroids.
the dictionary is changed so many times,Your ingorance really makes me just want to stab you in the neck.
you might have taken one injection in your life and now your on here as a pro.
-
How about the ilegal pill ecstasy that people take to enhance their club experience. It raises a natural chemical in the brain. so its not a drug since it was legal at one time. confusing. I think steroids would be classified a drug. But I think the media over emphasize some negative aspects of it that a few people may have like the tempers, and medical problems. Sure if you do to much of anything your going to have consequences. Ive never had the tempers or punched walls yes I could but never have. These people have underlying isssues or are pre disposed to this anyway They should make liqour illegal it does a lot more harm than steroids
Just some thoughts
-
good point
MDMA was legal and all of a sudden its not. now its called a narcotic drug
it sure wasnt bad when the DR.'s wre perscibing the stuff
-
you guys need to channel this energy back into the gym and not the forum for Christ sake... if yall have time to argue whether or not steroids are classified as a drug, you must not be working your calves and forearms.
-
you guys need to channel this energy back into the gym and not the forum for Christ sake... if yall have time to argue whether or not steroids are classified as a drug, you must not be working your calves and forearms.
WORD!!!! you hit the nail right square on the head dude!!!!
--lock--
-
true true
i give you that, but i dont work out calves, i do enough walking up and down stairs for work.
-
true true
i give you that, but i dont work out calves, i do enough walking up and down stairs for work.
thats like saying i dont work abs because I fuck alot
-
who give a shite what you do.
you better hit the gym
-
you need you go learn some more youngster
your just like all the other morons that dont go back to time and learn you take
what some one tells you now.here a example since you like to sit a home and jerk off to a poster of JESUS.
How many bibbles were written before your time and how many times has it been changed.
its the same with steroids go back in time and do some research. steroids started be conidered drugs when it could not be taxed and sold legal.
so you go look in a dictionary of the word drug WOW but you didnt look up steroids.
the dictionary is changed so many times,Your ingorance really makes me just want to stab you in the neck.
you might have taken one injection in your life and now your on here as a pro.
Your post made absolutely no sense.
You're failing to realize that "Drug" has a specific definition in the english language. "Anabolic steroids" fit that definition by their nature.
A drug is any substance used to modify the chemical processes of the body. ANABOLIC STEROIDS DO JUST THAT! So "BY DEFINITION" they are drugs.
Anabolic steroids were considered drugs FAR prior to their being criminalized without a prescription in America.
-
How about the ilegal pill ecstasy that people take to enhance their club experience. It raises a natural chemical in the brain. so its not a drug since it was legal at one time. confusing. I think steroids would be classified a drug. But I think the media over emphasize some negative aspects of it that a few people may have like the tempers, and medical problems. Sure if you do to much of anything your going to have consequences. Ive never had the tempers or punched walls yes I could but never have. These people have underlying isssues or are pre disposed to this anyway They should make liqour illegal it does a lot more harm than steroids
Just some thoughts
Exstacy is a drug by definition. Methamphetamine has been a drug since it was created. It's legality makes NO DIFFERENCE to it being a "Drug" or not being a drug. That doesn't make a bit of sense.
-
zeek,
I understand you argument about drug versus steroid and the classifications involved. It's funny as I sort of agree with you in that when I say drug dealer- i am referring to people that sell coke, Heroin, E, special K , meth and whatever else. If I want to refer to a guy who deals in steroids- i simply say the steroid dealer. or something like that.
Unfortunately, for the people in charge, little distinction is made between the two and in all likelihood, the line separating these two events is becoming blurred: In order to meet the demand of their customers- steroid dealers are jumping into the other areas. And usually with disastrous results as the rec/street drug dealers are almost always more ruthless than the steroid dealers.
Anyway, my comment was specifically directed to your post where you sort of said to ignore the side effects, that your body would get used to it. This could be true yet it seemed a bit premature. I wouldn't have told him to keep going with it.
ciao!
-
zeek,
I understand you argument about drug versus steroid and the classifications involved. It's funny as I sort of agree with you in that when I say drug dealer- i am referring to people that sell coke, Heroin, E, special K , meth and whatever else. If I want to refer to a guy who deals in steroids- i simply say the steroid dealer. or something like that.
Unfortunately, for the people in charge, little distinction is made between the two and in all likelihood, the line separating these two events is becoming blurred: In order to meet the demand of their customers- steroid dealers are jumping into the other areas. And usually with disastrous results as the rec/street drug dealers are almost always more ruthless than the steroid dealers.
Anyway, my comment was specifically directed to your post where you sort of said to ignore the side effects, that your body would get used to it. This could be true yet it seemed a bit premature. I wouldn't have told him to keep going with it.
ciao!
You aren't educated enough to know the vast definition of the word "Drug".
Steroids are drugs.
Tylenol is a drugs.
Cough Syrups are drugs.
Caffeene is a Drug.
Nicotine is a Drug.
They all fit the definition of "Drug" that I posted.
Drug-A drug is any substance that can be used to modify a chemical process or processes in the body, for example to treat an illness, relieve a symptom, enhance a performance or ability, or to alter states of mind.
This includes ANY substance that fits this definition.
Illegal narcotics aren't the only type of drugs contrary to popular belief.
-
You aren't educated enough to know the vast definition of the word "Drug".
Steroids are drugs.
Tylenol is a drugs.
Cough Syrups are drugs.
Caffeene is a Drug.
Nicotine is a Drug.
They all fit the definition of "Drug" that I posted.
This includes ANY substance that fits this definition.
Illegal narcotics aren't the only type of drugs contrary to popular belief.
thanks for your concern over my educational status. I'll keep mine as it is but once again, thanks for your input.
The comment was more about how people wish to separate these two things - in their minds- not according to legal or medical definitions.
You are correct in that everything is essentially a 'chemical" and there really is no difference between the hard/street drugs versus steroids and the stuff you buy in the pharmacy at your local Walgreens.
Everything we put into our body is a chemical or some sort since it is made of elements. So it is a fool's argument to keep rehashing that old saw.
Zeek/ JA, or whoever,
the advice to have the guy "stay the course" could have been ill-advised. That is the extent of my post. I think you meant well but didn't consider that the guy may not enjoy these side effects or be able to tolerate them without having some sort of incident. The high blood pressure thing is not enjoyable. I don't know how these obese red-faced purple-skinned people walk around in that condition.
The drug versus chemical argument is entirely beside the point of my post.
-
Chemically there is a HUGE difference between anabolic steroids and say...Cocaine or Heroin. But they are still both "Drugs".
-
Chemically there is a HUGE difference between anabolic steroids and say...Cocaine or Heroin. But they are still both "Drugs".
yes, agreed. and I have said as much in my posts. They have a pharmacological effect on the human body. They are indeed chemicals that induce drug effects: alterations in the normal physiological response.
What is interesting is that some research is going in the other direction: since all drugs are chemicals, are all chemicals drugs? Looking at the specific extracts of potato or beet; some show positive or negative effects on people. So can the mere fact of eating these things confer a drug like effect on people?
or
Since Carbohydrates alter serotonin levels which then modulate other drug levels/responses; can Carbohydrates be labelled a drug?
It is fascinating stuff.
it is a good topic of conversation.
again, the advice to 'stay the course' may not have been prudent.
-
yes, agreed. and I have said as much in my posts. They have a pharmacological effect on the human body. They are indeed chemicals that induce drug effects: alterations in the normal physiological response.
What is interesting is that some research is going in the other direction: since all drugs are chemicals, are all chemicals drugs? Looking at the specific extracts of potato or beet; some show positive or negative effects on people. So can the mere fact of eating these things confer a drug like effect on people?
or
Since Carbohydrates alter serotonin levels which then modulate other drug levels/responses; can Carbohydrates be labelled a drug?
It is fascinating stuff.
it is a good topic of conversation.
again, the advice to 'stay the course' may not have been prudent.
Why can't eating beets be considered a drug?
Smoking a "weed" is after all!
-
Why can't eating beets be considered a drug?
Smoking a "weed" is after all!
good point.
so eating is actually ingesting a drug. okay. now all we have to do is convince everyone else. I think it is such an important subject that it is worth devoting your entire life's work to it!
Let me know how it turns out.
-
think what ya want.
Im done youll learn something some day JOHNNY.
go back to the 1950's and find your info,other then that
take it how ever you want.
-
think what ya want.
Im done youll learn something some day JOHNNY.
go back to the 1950's and find your info,other then that
take it how ever you want.
"Zeet" I've refuted your false claims and proven what I have stated. Anabolic steroids ARE drugs. Drugs aren't confined to illegal nartcotics. Point simple blank.
Now stop reading shit from the 1950's and read modern day science.
-
I think tomatoes could be classified as a drug....... Lycopene is found in that and Lycopene is used in vitamin formulas and this can help alter your chemical process just like zinc, vitamin e and. So supplements and vitamins would fit that list as well right??
Ok everyone lets get the **** off this topic now. hahah
-
yes lets get off the topic
since people like Johnny dont know there ass from a whole in the wall
and thinks all of a sudden steroids just came in to the picture in 1990's
instead of looking at the whole picture,you beleave in what you want in your
lazy mind.
-
yes lets get off the topic
since people like Johnny dont know there ass from a whole in the wall
and thinks all of a sudden steroids just came in to the picture in 1990's
instead of looking at the whole picture,you beleave in what you want in your
lazy mind.
You aren't making any goddamn sense. This isn't about WHEN steroids came into the scene it's about WHAT they do and HOW "drugs" are defined.
-
ok!!!!
please tell me you went to school.
you think what you need to think to help ease your pit of a mind.
your the one not wanting to listen and understand,you just want to stick with
the basic knowledge of what you learned in the 5th grade.
so I guess the next thing you say is steroids is the same as anobolic steroids.
-
ok!!!!
please tell me you went to school.
you think what you need to think to help ease your pit of a mind.
your the one not wanting to listen and understand,you just want to stick with
the basic knowledge of what you learned in the 5th grade.
so I guess the next thing you say is steroids is the same as anobolic steroids.
Who the fuck are you to ask if I "went to school"?
You can't even fucking spell or form a proper english sentence.
Do you know what "Capitilization" is? In english you CAPITALIZE your letters at the first of a sentence.
Steroids ARE Anabolic steroids. Anabolic steroids are a "form" of Steroids. One of the other being Cortico Steroids.
They're all lipids with carbon skeletons and four fused rings.
Anabolic steroids are synthetic hormones that PROMOTE CELL GROWTH AND DIVISION. By this factor alone they would be considered "drugs" by the common medical definition.
-
im writing, so I can write and spell anyway I want,
as long as it catches your attention,weather it be scribble scrabble which your use to cause most drop outs like yourself cant read period.
or weather its in perfect english which you dont have as I can go back and waist my time to show you that you cant spell eather.
as far as your dictionary grammer i saw the same heading Im glad you were able to look it up.
im proud of you now go take a nap.... you wore yourself out with your findings
can we get this guy a gold star?
yeah for JOHNNY......... now if we can just get him to wipe his ass..... and stop picking his nose.
-
im writing, so I can write and spell anyway I want,
as long as it catches your attention,weather it be scribble scrabble which your use to cause most drop outs like yourself cant read period.
or weather its in perfect english which you dont have as I can go back and waist my time to show you that you cant spell eather.
as far as your dictionary grammer i saw the same heading Im glad you were able to look it up.
im proud of you now go take a nap.... you wore yourself out with your findings
can we get this guy a gold star?
yeah for JOHNNY......... now if we can just get him to wipe his ass..... and stop picking his nose.
How old are you?
-
Im a old man.older then 25 and younger then 60
-
im writing, so I can write and spell anyway I want,
as long as it catches your attention,weather it be scribble scrabble which your use to cause most drop outs like yourself cant read period.
or weather its in perfect english which you dont have as I can go back and waist my time to show you that you cant spell eather.
as far as your dictionary grammer i saw the same heading Im glad you were able to look it up.
im proud of you now go take a nap.... you wore yourself out with your findings
can we get this guy a gold star?
yeah for JOHNNY......... now if we can just get him to wipe his ass..... and stop picking his nose.
Dude.. not trying to nit-pick but when you try and give advice, at least use the spell check button...no one will take a post seriously when it looks like it was written by a 6 year old ,be it good advice or not!!
-
I dont think Jesus would waste his time watching people masturbate.
-
ill keep that in mind
even though you took the time to look and clear that up
-
haha. Just thought id add some more humor to it.
-
Dude.. not trying to nit-pick but when you try and give advise, at least use the spell check button...no one will take a post seriously when it looks like it was written by a 6 year old ,be it good advise or not!!
you spelled advice wrong dipshit
-
Anyway, back to the topic of this post. Lockman, get your BP checked ASAP. If D-bol gives you these sides, Drol will give 'em to you too. Personally I don't like D-bol because of the back pumps it gives me. Overall, your health is the priority here!
-
D-bol and anadrol definately spiked my bp. And its funny those machines at the pharmacy were obbiously built for guys that are not on the above average muscular side. The redness will subside when you are off in about 1-2 weeks