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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Dball on September 15, 2006, 12:26:33 PM
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hey shawn,
will the prize money go up this year? obviously with the success of last years show, you can get a few more sponsors. and maybe that posing award that i thought you were going to have this year. what are the plans for next year?
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I wonder what a failure would be considered if THAT was a success?
Local Little League games generate more revenue in hot dog sales than Shawn`s show.
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Here we go again. Where were you during the contest. I was a 5K sponsor and got more than my monies worth. The problem with most of you folks here is that you are jealous of other peoples success in this industry. How many of you have ever promoted a contest, competed on the national or pro level or every put up money to sponsor a contest? Well I have competed on the national level and put my money up...so I will take some liberties here as I have earned them.
Jeff and Shawn put on one hell of a well organized contest. Sponsors were treated well and received a great ROI (that is a return on investment for those hourly employees). Actually feedback from the fans in the stands was tremendous. Competitors am/pro loved the venue, trophies and prize money. So how again to you define success as I am sure none of you have seen the a p&l statement (profit and loss)? I think the definition of success at least profit wise is based on the bottom line not your opinion of an individual. ;)
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hahahahahahahaha An Ice salesman makes more money in Alaska then the Colorado Pro hahahaha
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Here we go again. Where were you during the contest. I was a 5K sponsor and got more than my monies worth. The problem with most of you folks here is that you are jealous of other peoples success in this industry. How many of you have ever promoted a contest, competed on the national or pro level or every put up money to sponsor a contest? Well I have competed on the national level and put my money up...so I will take some liberties here as I have earned them.
Jeff and Shawn put on one hell of a well organized contest. Sponsors were treated well and received a great ROI (that is a return on investment for those hourly employees). Actually feedback from the fans in the stands was tremendous. Competitors am/pro loved the venue, trophies and prize money. So how again to you define success as I am sure none of you have seen the a p&l statement (profit and loss)? I think the definition of success at least profit wise is based on the bottom line not your opinion of an individual. ;)
Yah im REAL jealous of the success generated by 223 people jam-packing an auditorium to watch grown boogie around in bananna hammocks. What a good idea for a moneymaker!
More people showed up for my high school talent show,where more revenue was generated selling DARE T-shirts and cupcakes.
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Thats a really beautiful speech man, brought a tear to my eye. But unless your a complete ignoramus, you know that the tickets were being given away, the show was of mediocre production quality, and the hummer giveaway was an inside job. Of course, since you are privy to the P&L, why don't you enlighten the rest of us as to the show's net profit?
I want to see proof of that, because I saw the P&L. Fabrication is a terrible thing.
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Grundle - How much money did you put into the contest? If it is more that a dollar you can call me and we can discuss otherwise you fabrications or meaningless. It is liers like yourself who keep this sport down at a time in which we need to be supporting every contest, competitor and promoter...whether we like them or not. The difference between you and I is I actually put money into these contest.
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Here we go again. Where were you during the contest. I was a 5K sponsor and got more than my monies worth. The problem with most of you folks here is that you are jealous of other peoples success in this industry. How many of you have ever promoted a contest, competed on the national or pro level or every put up money to sponsor a contest? Well I have competed on the national level and put my money up...so I will take some liberties here as I have earned them.
Jeff and Shawn put on one hell of a well organized contest. Sponsors were treated well and received a great ROI (that is a return on investment for those hourly employees). Actually feedback from the fans in the stands was tremendous. Competitors am/pro loved the venue, trophies and prize money. So how again to you define success as I am sure none of you have seen the a p&l statement (profit and loss)? I think the definition of success at least profit wise is based on the bottom line not your opinion of an individual. ;)
My favorite part of the show was when Bob was telling jokes.
That was funny. hahhahahah
What an embarrassment. Do you think any other sport would have such horrible transitioning periods and lull time?
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Can you even BLAME THE FANS, or lack thereof?
These shows are sponsored by SUPPLEMENT companies whose product are all BOGUS from the start.
The whole thing is built on lies and illegality(See IFBB Rulebook) for anyone to even begin to take seriously.
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My favorite part of the show was when Bob was telling jokes.
That was funny. hahhahahah
What an embarrassment. Do you think any other sport would have such horrible transitioning periods and lull time?
hahaha
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I think it served Shawn right. I have no problems with the guy but he finally learned the hard way that bodybuilding simply doesn't generate enough money to give any back to the bodybuilders. He put up way too much prize money and paid the price. Now maybe he will understand why the Ironman only had a 20K purse.
This may be true, but the bottom line is that Jeff and Shawn met the promised obligation unlike promoters during Wayne's tenior.
Let's face facts most show's don't make money the first year, the hopefully break even for the first 2-3 year and by the fourth they giving you a return.
Is everyone here suggesting that we should have no contest since it is your belief that they don't make money?
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This may be true, but the bottom line is that Jeff and Shawn met the promised obligation unlike promoters during Wayne's tenior.
Let's face facts most show's don't make money the first year, the hopefully break even for the first 2-3 year and by the fourth they giving you a return.
Is everyone here suggesting that we should have no contest since it is your belief that they don't make money?
How about a BETTER contest instead of the same shit, different location.
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Hahahaha, you're faulting me for not throwing money into the fireplace? Yes, you're right, everyone should show their devotion to this "sport" by throwing good money away. Dude, you absolutely need to reevaluate your investment strategy, especially if you have kids you want to send to college.
So how much have you ever invested into any contest? Have you ever promoted a contest? If so, when and what date?
As for my children's future...they have more money than their grandchildren can spend... dad is pretty smart at making the Benjies....
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How about a BETTER contest instead of the same shit, different location.
What changes do you suggest? Will you be promoting in the future?
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Can you even BLAME THE FANS, or lack thereof?
These shows are sponsored by SUPPLEMENT companies whose product are all BOGUS from the start.
The whole thing is built on lies and illegality(See IFBB Rulebook) for anyone to even begin to take seriously.
I think it served Shawn right. I have no problems with the guy but he finally learned the hard way that bodybuilding simply doesn't generate enough money to give any back to the bodybuilders. He put up way too much prize money and paid the price. Now maybe he will understand why the Ironman only had a 20K purse.
I think Lift Studios may have been spreading that around. I guess if "success" is defined as "complete failure" then yes, the show was a great success. ;D
More people show up to a grade seven girl's basketball game. :D
dude, dont worry about it, leave it to these guys to hijack a thread and tear it down in their self-appreciating way.
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What changes do you suggest? Will you be promoting in the future?
I don`t support drug use in sports. Furthermore I promote actually following the rules.
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Rocco, use your head man. The fact that they don't make money is the symptom, not the problem. Did you ever ask yourself, "hey, why is it that attendance at the shows these days is so pathetic?"
I am at the North American this weekend and it's packed! The USA's packed. The Arnold packed. Europa packed. How many seat have to be filled in your mind to turn a profit? Please explain you vision by the numbers of how a show is profitable...please use numerical values.
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I don`t support drug use in sports. Furthermore I promote actually following the rules.
So you don't like any sports, football, track, basketball, baseball, wrestling? Why are you on a bodybuilding board? Again, what contest do you promoter or what contest will you promote in the future?
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So you don't like any sports, football, track, basketball, baseball, wrestling? Why are you on a bodybuilding board? Again, what contest do you promoter or what contest will you promote in the future?
Durgs are NOT prevalent in most sports. That is a fucking fact! The majority of athletes are NATURAL!
I LOVE the OLYMPICS! I would never promote a contest for the simple fact there is NOTHING worth it to promote.
If there were something there to promote, that would be a different story. How can you expect to make any money off of all these seedy individuals?
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Rocco, you obviously work for a supplement company. How do you not recognize that people are tired of the transparently horseshit lies that you promote your products with. Having guys who use their bodies as chemistry sets endorse them and claim that they achieved their grotesque physiques by using branch chained amino acids! Rocco, I don't blame you for doing what you gotta do to keep your lady in the lap of luxury and new games for the kids on the X-Box, but don't blame the educated fans for reveling the failure of shows that promote this bullshit.
See Grundle there you go again with you fabrications. I am not employeed by anyone other than myself. I have owned and operated my own business' for more than 20 years. None of which have anything to do with the health and fitness industry. I support this sport because I work out and I believe in its athletes and the dedication they have.
So please stop dodging the question; what contest do you promote? How many contest do you attend per year? How much money have you put into this sport?
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Durgs are NOT prevalent in most sports. That is a fucking fact! The majority of athletes are NATURAL!
I LOVE the OLYMPICS! I would never promote a contest for the simple fact there is NOTHING worth it to promote.
If there were something there to promote, that would be a different story. How can you expect to make any money off of all these seedy individuals?
which sports are you refering to where steroids are not prevalent? little league, right? what are the incomes from a team in such a sport? i know the yankees are worth over a billion, and new york shows some love for giambi.
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Durgs are NOT prevalent in most sports. That is a fucking fact! The majority of athletes are NATURAL!
I LOVE the OLYMPICS! I would never promote a contest for the simple fact there is NOTHING worth it to promote.
If there were something there to promote, that would be a different story. How can you expect to make any money off of all these seedy individuals?
Show me the studies where drugs such as GH are not prevalent? I am curious since ESPN just did a story on GH maybe you didn't catch it.
What percentage of these folks are seedy and where is this information published? Let's talk factually. No need to curse.
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Who are you kidding bro, 90% of the attendance now is either 1) friends and family of the competitors 2) People working for the promoters and sponsors 3) Paid event staff.
Grundle enough with the fabrications...where did you find this stat? Please so us a link otherwise stop lying it is not very becoming.
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I know, opinions are like chiccerillos, everybody owns one and they all are full of shit.
But that being said, I think they should make the Colo Pro a FREE show (except for the very sweet VIP deal), and charge the advertisers more. Everyone who went loved it, but not enough people went.
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glad you could chime in, Rob. was it the olympia? no, but it was a good show.
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I told you, I don't invest in this promoting this "sport", because in its current incarnation, it is a laughing stock. Now you stop dodging the question and tell us how much Shawn Ray's awful schmofest made?
Since you don't put your money where your mouth is we will leave at it made more than $1 less than $100K. Why do you follow the sport if its a laughing stock?
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Show me the studies where drugs such as GH are not prevalent? I am curious since ESPN just did a story on GH maybe you didn't catch it.
What percentage of these folks are seedy and where is this information published? Let's talk factually. No need to curse.
As part of its investigation, the committee asked the NFL on March 31 for a number of documents on drug testing - including how it is conducted, the notice provided to players, and the procedures for disclosing the identities of those who test positive.
The NFL does not specify what substance triggered a player's suspension. But the number of those suspended for steroid use appears to be relatively low.
According to The New York Times, three players violated the league's drug policy in 2001 and eight in 2002. There were six violations in 2003, the newspaper said, and at least one in 2004.
Sun staff writer Ken Murray contributed to this article.
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Rocco has an insatiable hunger for cock
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Its like a car wreck right now Rocco, I can't turn away. Like most of the people on here, I've been lifting for years and enjoy the board for its entertainment value. How do you not get that people are laughing at these shows and "pros"?
I guess the difference between us Grundle is that I actually attend the contest because I see many friend from around the country, its entertaining and I respect the hard work that these pro's put into getting ready for a contest. How many contest have you competed in? If you have how did you place?
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Yeah, I'm increasingly inclined to believe that Rocco might be the kind of guy who steals posing trunks from the pump up room and spends his quiet time inhaling the bouquet.
hahahaha Yeah I bet. hahaha What he calls "sponsoring" we call gay for pay.
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As part of its investigation, the committee asked the NFL on March 31 for a number of documents on drug testing - including how it is conducted, the notice provided to players, and the procedures for disclosing the identities of those who test positive.
The NFL does not specify what substance triggered a player's suspension. But the number of those suspended for steroid use appears to be relatively low.
According to The New York Times, three players violated the league's drug policy in 2001 and eight in 2002. There were six violations in 2003, the newspaper said, and at least one in 2004.
Sun staff writer Ken Murray contributed to this article.
How about GH as discussed on ESPN?
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hahahaha Yeah I bet. hahaha What he calls "sponsoring" we call gay for pay.
Let's try to act like adults. There are board for children in which you can type...
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I love how you bodybuilder types try to rationalize steroid use, by saying, Well everyone else is doing it........
The thing is, the majority of athletes are not doing steroids. Sure there are some, but they don`t make up the majority. To believe otherwise is ignorant.
Why not set a standard and follow it? If no rules apply, then why have a rule? Where is the validity of the accomplishments when no rules are followed? Why should anyone want to attend or even compete in a sport that does not even have guidelines or rules?
I love how you rationalize. You clearly see things one sided. You don`t support bodybuilding because you don`t support the rule book. Plain and simple.
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Yeah, I'm increasingly inclined to believe that Rocco might be the kind of guy who steals posing trunks from the pump up room and spends his quiet time inhaling the bouquet.
Grundle, you dissapoint me again. First fabrication then when loosing the argument turning to childish tactics. You should have watched 20/20 last night there is help for folks like yourself. But lets not loose sight of our discussion...try to stay on message here.
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I love how you bodybuilder types try to rationalize steroid use, by saying, Well everyone else is doing it........
The thing is, the majority of athletes are not doing steroids. Sure there are some, but they don`t make them majority. To believe otherwise is ignorant.
Why not set a standard and follow it? If no rules apply, then why have a rule? Where is the validity of the accomplishments when no rules are followed? Why should anyone want to attend or even compete in a sport that does not even have guidelines or rules?
I love how you rationalize. You clearly see things one sided. You don`t support bodybuilding because you don`t support the rule book. Plain and simple.
Quote my rational, I simply stated that steriods are found in every sport. I am sure you didn't think these guys packed on this much muscle by eating lean beef.
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Ok hooked-on-phonics, i'll try not loose my sense of humor, even if I'm disappointed about the Cowboys loosing last weekend.
Grundle...we do have something in common. As you can see I don't post here often, but I felt inclined to join this post because I believe in this sport and I believe that change is possible if done in a constructive manner...no differnt than operating a business.
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[quote author=The True Adonis link=topic=94563.msg1365107#msg1365107 date=1158353627
I love how you rationalize. You clearly see things one sided. You don`t support bodybuilding because you don`t support the rule book. Plain and simple.
[/quote] WE only see things one sided? wtf? you have this picture in your head where its all puppy dogs and rainbows about how YOU think sports SHOULD be, and no one elses opinion matters. steroids and their results was the biggest thing to happen to MLB ticket sales and ratings and you would be hard pressed to find that at least half of pro athletes have used steroids. reality means nothing to you.
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Grundle...we do have something in common. As you can see I don't post here often, but I felt inclined to join this post because I believe in this sport and I believe that change is possible if done in a constructive manner...no differnt than operating a business.
hell yes... this is the greatest sport on earth, when you realize that the sport happens in the gym, not on the stage. what happens on the stage is a produst of the sport. take away the stage, you would still have bodybuilding.
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hell yes... this is the greatest sport on earth, when you realize that the sport happens in the gym, not on the stage. what happens on the stage is a produst of the sport. take away the stage, you would still have bodybuilding.
Well stated. My point exactly. BB's have more discipline and sheer determination than most athletes bar none. I have competed, didn't fair well but I learned a whole new level of respect for these individuals. Thus, I began putting my personal money up to help competitors and promoters improve. Which is why I get frustrated when I see post by individual who like to bitch and moan, but won't work or put money forward to make change.
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Quote my rational, I simply stated that steriods are found in every sport. I am sure you didn't think these guys packed on this much muscle by eating lean beef.
You are making blanket statements. Lets take the Olympics for example. You mean to tell me of the over 10,000 athletes competeing Over 5000 have used steroids?
You are an idiot if you think that...Clearly the MAJORITY FOLLOW THE RULES! Its like that in all legitimate sports.
Athens 2004 13 Aug 29 Aug men- 6296 athletes 4329-women athletes
So according to your logic 5,313 athletes at the 2004 Olympics are using or have used steroids.
your logic is basesless and it sucks.
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You are making blanket statements. Lets take the Olympics for example. You mean to tell me of the over 10,000 athletes competeing Over 5000 have used steroids?
You are an idiot if you think that...Clearly the MAJORITY FOLLOW THE RULES! Its like that in all legitimate sports.
Athens 2004 13 Aug 29 Aug men- 6296 athletes 4329-women athletes
So according to your logic 5,313 athletes at the 2004 Olympics are using or have used steroids.
your logic is basesless and it sucks.
Where did I quote 50%? Quit making things up...honesty and facts are the best policy to follow. They go hand-in-hand with personal credibility.
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Where did I quote 50%? Quit making things up...honesty and facts are the best policy to follow. They go hand-in-hand with personal credibility.
So good.. We have established a premise that the MAJORITY of athletes follow the rules in regards to steroid use. You agree since you don`t say 50-51 percent use steroids.
Therefore the majority of athletes in sports want to follow the rules and think the rules should be enforced.
So where is the logic and justification in saying,"Steroids are found in every sport"? It makes no sense.
That would be like saying gays are found in every military. Racist people are found in every police department...
Just what IS your point?
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So good.. We have established a premise that the MAJORITY of athletes follow the rules in regards to steroid use. You agree since you don`t say 50-51 percent use steroids.
Therefore the majority of athletes in sports want to follow the rules and think the rules should be enforced.
So where is the logic and justification in saying,"Steroids are found in every sport"? It makes no sense.
That would be like saying gays are found in every military. Racist people are found in every police department...
Just what IS your point?
My point is that steriods are used in every sport. Do you believe that these guys can pack on this much muslce without help. Secondly, we the fans have pushed for bigger and crazier physiques throughout the ages...no we want to return to the days of old. We didn't get here overnight and we won't go back overnight.
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My point is that steriods are used in every sport. Do you believe that these guys can pack on this much muslce without help. Secondly, we the fans have pushed for bigger and crazier physiques throughout the ages...no we want to return to the days of old. We didn't get here overnight and we won't go back overnight.
Who is WE?
Clearly the MAJORITY do want the rules to be enforced as there is no push for rules to change or pressure on lawmakers by anyone to rescind the prohibition on steroids and the MAJORITY of those participating in sports ARE NOT USING DRUGS.
The fans haven`t pushed for shit. The athletes that do use drugs have taken it upon themeselves to do so. The fans just watch the story unfold....you are clueless if you think otherwise.
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Who is WE?
Clearly the MAJORITY do want the rules to be enforced as there is no push for rules to change or pressure on lawmakers by anyone to rescind the prohibition on steroids and the MAJORITY of those participating in sports ARE NOT USING DRUGS.
The fans haven`t pushed for shit. The athletes that do use drugs have taken it upon themeselves to do so. The fans just watch the story unfold....you are clueless if you think otherwise.
We = the fan's. So we can agree to disagree. I attend 5-8 pro shows a year and more than 10 NPC contest. How many do you attend? I ask because I wonder where your perspective that the fan's haven't wanted to see bigger and bigger bodies on stage.
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Here we go again. Where were you during the contest. I was a 5K sponsor and got more than my monies worth. The problem with most of you folks here is that you are jealous of other peoples success in this industry. How many of you have ever promoted a contest, competed on the national or pro level or every put up money to sponsor a contest? Well I have competed on the national level and put my money up...so I will take some liberties here as I have earned them.
Jeff and Shawn put on one hell of a well organized contest. Sponsors were treated well and received a great ROI (that is a return on investment for those hourly employees). Actually feedback from the fans in the stands was tremendous. Competitors am/pro loved the venue, trophies and prize money. So how again to you define success as I am sure none of you have seen the a p&l statement (profit and loss)? I think the definition of success at least profit wise is based on the bottom line not your opinion of an individual. ;)
Good speech Sean. Gave me goose bumps. The expo was free. And even with it being free there was not many people. It might have been for you as a sponsor. But, since you are talking P&L's and bottom lines, then you would know the show spent more than it made. For you that means a loss. See you will learn this stuff. Your investment of $5,000 is allot easier to cover that an investment of $100,000+. So it might have been good for you and your company but that doesn't help the shows bottom line. You will learn that when you put on a show.
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Good speech Sean. Gave me goose bumps. The expo was free. And even with it being free there was not many people. It might have been for you as a sponsor. But, since you are talking P&L's and bottom lines, then you would know the show spent more than it made. For you that means a loss. See you will learn this stuff. Your investment of $5,000 is allot easier to cover that an investment of $100,000+. So it might have been good for you and your company but that doesn't help the shows bottom line. You will learn that when you put on a show.
Here you go again with more unfounded lies. Don't you folks have any selfworth or intergrity? Let's here you understanding of the P&L, please provide support for you numbers.
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Here you go again with more unfounded lies. Don't you folks have any selfworth or intergrity? Let's here you understanding of the P&L, please provide support for you numbers.
What numbers are you talking about. The cost of the show or the $5,000 you put in.
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Why did only thirteen people go to the show?
Montser experience in promotions
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Thanks for the Pre Contest Promo thread for 2007!
Slated for June 1st & 2nd at the Colorado Convention Center!
Stay tuned formore more Updates followning the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
It was such a failure last year, we decided to do it again!
When you have money to blow, then why not!
See you all there next year! :-*
Mahalo ;D