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Jay will win, but I would give it to Victor.
Ronnie was the best ever in his prime, but age and a pinched nerve got in the way. :( Hail Ronnie.
Dennis Wolf is a freak and should be in the top 3 or 4.
Gustavo is ripped, but they don't like his look apparently.
Tony Freeman is flat as a pancake.
Dexter is ripped, but no real improvments. Still good for a top 3 or 4 finish.
Will Harris looks pretty good.
Quincy lost his legs.
I still wanna throw up because of how Ronnie looks. FUCK!
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Jay will win, but I would give it to Victor.
Ronnie was the best ever in his prime, but age and a pinched nerve got in the way. :( Hail Ronnie.
Dennis Wolf is a freak and should be in the top 3 or 4.
Gustavo is ripped, but they don't like his look apparently.
Tony Freeman is flat as a pancake.
Dexter is ripped, but no real improvments. Still good for a top 3 or 4 finish.
Will Harris looks pretty good.
Quincy lost his legs.
I still wanna throw up because of how Ronnie looks. FUCK!
If it wasn't for politics, Jay shouldn't be in the top 5 or 5th at best. He's big but smooth.
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I still wanna throw up because of how Ronnie looks. FUCK!
He still looks better than Shari! :P
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He still looks better than Shari! :P
I see King is still on your mind huh? ;D
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If it wasn't for politics, Jay shouldn't be in the top 5 or 5th at best.
Now you're just being stupid.
He's no worse than second, and you could argue he's in first.
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WTH happened to Dugdale?
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the whole pack including jay and victor look worse then last yr, wolfe is the next dominant !
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i have to agree with you
too bad gustavo is being punished from trimming his waistline and being more symmetrical ???
Jay will win, but I would give it to Victor.
Ronnie was the best ever in his prime, but age and a pinched nerve got in the way. :( Hail Ronnie.
Dennis Wolf is a freak and should be in the top 3 or 4.
Gustavo is ripped, but they don't like his look apparently.
Tony Freeman is flat as a pancake.
Dexter is ripped, but no real improvments. Still good for a top 3 or 4 finish.
Will Harris looks pretty good.
Quincy lost his legs.
I still wanna throw up because of how Ronnie looks. FUCK!
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WTH happened to Dugdale?
look the same as he always does
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I would have Vic and Dex ahead of Jay. He's smooth.
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Ronnie still has some freaky mass. but like I said the pinched nerve (confirmed to me by someone in the know) is what really did him in, especially from the rear. We are not comparing Ronnie to anyone else, but Ronnie at his best.
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Yeah gustavo didnt get no good callouts, id put him before melvin
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I would have Vic and Dex ahead of Jay. He's smooth.
i would love to have a body like Dex but he is way too small compared to the big guys and he doesn't have calves
Vic or Jay
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Jay will win, but I would give it to Victor.
Ronnie was the best ever in his prime, but age and a pinched nerve got in the way. :( Hail Ronnie.
Dennis Wolf is a freak and should be in the top 3 or 4.
Gustavo is ripped, but they don't like his look apparently.
Tony Freeman is flat as a pancake.
Dexter is ripped, but no real improvments. Still good for a top 3 or 4 finish.
Will Harris looks pretty good.
Quincy lost his legs.
I still wanna throw up because of how Ronnie looks. FUCK!
Dennis Wolf should be Mr. Olympia.
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Now you're just being stupid.
He's no worse than second, and you could argue he's in first.
Give me one unpolitical good reason why he should be first or second....or even in the top 5 for that matter. And if I hear "because he's big" I'm gonna puke!!
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ew!
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IMO Dexter Amazing and should be top 3 if not higher :o, if Ronnie beats him its a crime. Looks like Ronnie is past it, too bad as I was hoping for him to go out with a bang :-[.
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Dex has the best conditioning up there and although I see some glute striations in some of these guys you can't find a striation in most of these guys upper bodies to save their life? Most everyone has smooth delts and pecs. The days of hard ripped physiques are gone. Take a look at the guys from the 90's. Dorian, Levrone even Ronnie in the late 90's. All these guys were hard as stone. Most of them now look like over inflated hot air balloons? Ever since these guys went above 250 they all look like crap! >:( >:(
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Dex has the best conditioning up there and although I see some glute striations in some of these guys you can't find a striation in most of these guys upper bodies to save their life? Most everyone has smooth delts and pecs. The days of hard ripped physiques are gone. Take a look at the guys from the 90's. Dorian, Levrone even Ronnie in the late 90's. All these guys were hard as stone. Most of them now look like over inflated hot air balloons? Ever since these guys went above 250 they all look like crap! >:( >:(
do u think todays insulin use has a lot to do with it?
But its a good thing that dexter, melvin, dave henry, and dennis wolfe were in the top 10 (prejudging callouts) they all have tight waist and are symmetrical.
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Dex has the best conditioning up there and although I see some glute striations in some of these guys you can't find a striation in most of these guys upper bodies to save their life? Most everyone has smooth delts and pecs. The days of hard ripped physiques are gone. Take a look at the guys from the 90's. Dorian, Levrone even Ronnie in the late 90's. All these guys were hard as stone. Most of them now look like over inflated hot air balloons? Ever since these guys went above 250 they all look like crap! >:( >:(
what's the reason for this ?
and don't tell me insulin use !! I don't think all these guys use it to carb up ( but you are more "in the know" than us for sure)
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do u think todays insulin use has a lot to do with it?
But its a good thing that dexter, melvin, dave henry, and dennis wolfe were in the top 10 (prejudging callouts) they all have tight waist and are symmetrical.
Yes!!! Insulin is fucking ruining bodybuilding and after tonight I am convinced. Dennis Wolf just has to bring up his weak points just a tad and he will blow away all of them. Melvin is still a tad too soft and Henry although is very good just gets lost up there at this show anyway.
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Jay is also backsliding bigtime. This is what these guys used to look like a few years ago. Compare.
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how do you explain Dennis Wolf looking this good even if he uses insulin just like the other guys then ? ???
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how do you explain Dennis Wolf looking this good even if he uses insulin just like the other guys then ? ???
I knew someone would ask this and that's a good question. Dennis is young and years of insulin abuse is catching up to all the guys sooner or later.
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???
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lets all blame milos ;)
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lets all blame milos ;)
all his guys looked incredible tonight
true story
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lets all blame milos ;)
Most all of them are using it bro. All you have to do is look back year by year all the way back to the late 80's and you will see how all of them as a whole have gotten progressively smoother "within" their bodyparts.
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Most all of them are using it bro. All you have to do is look back year by year all the way back to the late 80's and you will see how all of them as a whole have gotten progressively smoother "within" their bodyparts.
I don't understand why would insulin do that
it already transports the nutriment to the cells.logically if you take insulin it will only help transport more nutriments to the cells, how can it make you look smoother
I am fat from being an expert on the subject, just trying to understand
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Ha....after reading all these posts, seems I've rubbed off on disgusted, it's what I've been preaching about in almost every post.
Insulin and Milos is ruining bodybuilding (Milos intoduced insulin to the industry).
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I don't understand why would insulin do that
it already transports the nutriment to the cells.logically if you take insulin it will only help transport more nutriments to the cells, how can it make you look smoother
I am fat from being an expert on the subject, just trying to understand
I explained it in detail a while ago but basically it's like looking at a steak. One that's very lean and one that is marbled with fat. Insulin promotes fat storage everywhere so you are always fighting against it even when you are dieting.
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everyone looks smooth, although looking at wolfe he looks somewhat ripped.
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very good analogy
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Ha....after reading all these posts, seems I've rubbed off on disgusted, it's what I've been preaching about in almost every post.
Insulin and Milos is ruining bodybuilding (Milos intoduced insulin to the industry).
I gotta be honest that I have been on the fence with it for a while and there is no deniying that slin will make you huge BUT I am not liking what I am seeing tonight. I think I'm going to get drunk now. :'(
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lets all blame milos ;)
I blame Snake OilTM.
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Ha....after reading all these posts, seems I've rubbed off on disgusted, it's what I've been preaching about in almost every post.
Insulin and Milos is ruining bodybuilding (Milos intoduced insulin to the industry).
I thought Dorian was the first one to use it. ???
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I thought Dorian was the first one to use it. ???
From what I heard Dorian was introduced to slin by Dan Duchaine, but according to diabetes man I'm full of shit. ;D
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From what I heard Dorian was introduced to slin by Dan Duchaine, but according to diabetes man I'm full of shit. ;D
hahahahaha.
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I thought Dorian was the first one to use it. ???
Which would have been in the mid 90's when physiques started losing their quality and the first "gut's" started to appear.
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From what I heard Dorian was introduced to slin by Dan Duchaine, but according to diabetes man I'm full of shit. ;D
Hahah yes, Captain Diabetes gave you quite an owning. ::)
Seriously though, how much will they top softies tighten up by tonight? Are you expecting any suprises?
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Hahah yes, Captain Diabetes gave you quite an owning. ::)
Seriously though, how much will they top softies tighten up by tonight? Are you expecting any suprises?
I don't think that Jay can do much at all based on how soft he is. Maybe Ronnie can shed some water but all in all even if they do make some changes it will be nothing drastic. Plus, the show is over anyway.
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From what I heard Dorian was introduced to slin by Dan Duchaine, but according to diabetes man I'm full of shit. ;D
you are completely full of shit. this guy claims to be an expert and is prepping an ifbb pro but doesnt know simple shit like what glycogensis is.. where the fuck is hedgehog to exploit this bitch? you should be fucking shamed of yourself to be prepping someone but not know basic principles.
dorian learned from milos how insulin works and how to use it and it was pretty much when he was retirng. thats teh fucking truth, ask both milos and dorian.
this guy is claiming that he saw dorian talking to a judge about insulin AFTER A GUEST POSING way prior to 1997. what a fuckin liar. i cant believe the type of shit this guy is making up.
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you are completely full of shit. this guy claims to be an expert and is prepping an ifbb pro but doesnt know simple shit like what glycogensis is.. where the fuck is hedgehog to exploit this bitch? you should be fucking shamed of yourself to be prepping someone but not know basic principles.
dorian learned from milos how insulin works and how to use it and it was pretty much when he was retirng. thats teh fucking truth, ask both milos and dorian.
this guy is claiming that he saw dorian talking to a judge about insulin AFTER A GUEST POSING way prior to 1997. what a fuckin liar. i cant believe the type of shit this guy is making up.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=171464.0;attach=199011;image)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=171464.0;attach=199011;image)
That pretty much sums it up. ;D
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=171464.0;attach=199011;image)
you want to see my face?
go find this muscle and fitness and check out the biceps training.
2004 September Vol 65, Num 9 iit has sylvester stallone on the front.
if it was fake, anyone who has seen the pics and knows me ..or the person lol can figure out who it is dont be a fucking idiot. im not plastering my shit all over the boards and admitting to illegal activity like a fuckin moron.
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you want to see my face?
go find this muscle and fitness and check out the biceps training.
2004 September Vol 65, Num 9 iit has sylvester stallone on the front.
if it was fake, anyone who has seen the pics and knows me ..or the person lol can figure out who it is dont be a fucking idiot. im not plastering my shit all over the boards and admitting to illegal activity like a fuckin moron.
I think your mistaking me for someone who gives a shit. I personally don't give a rats ass what your face looks like or if this is you or not. Nothing special as far as physiques go.
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so how did dorian get the gut if it wasn't for insulin? it has to be the gh.
also if milos brought insulin to bbing why doesn't he have the gut? or hide etc
milos was reckless when chasing the dream - he would no doubt have pushed the envelope in regard to dosages of insulin - and he says himself he still uses insulin - thats about 10 years of use now - yet no belly.
i agree its either 1 or the other but not sure 100% which. the gh receptors in the stomach would make me think its the gh, but dusgusted you seem really sure its the insulin.
judgeing from the era's of bbing - the early 90's was a peak imho , so whatever was introduced after then should not be used.
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you want to see my face?
go find this muscle and fitness and check out the biceps training.
2004 September Vol 65, Num 9 iit has sylvester stallone on the front.
if it was fake, anyone who has seen the pics and knows me ..or the person lol can figure out who it is dont be a fucking idiot. im not plastering my shit all over the boards and admitting to illegal activity like a fuckin moron.
You're gonna be outed pretty soon, tool. :D
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so how did dorian get the gut if it wasn't for insulin? it has to be the gh.
also if milos brought insulin to bbing why doesn't he have the gut? or hide etc
milos was reckless when chasing the dream - he would no doubt have pushed the envelope in regard to dosages of insulin - and he says himself he still uses insulin - thats about 10 years of use now - yet no belly.
i agree its either 1 or the other but not sure 100% which. the gh receptors in the stomach would make me think its the gh, but dusgusted you seem really sure its the insulin.
judgeing from the era's of bbing - the early 90's was a peak imho , so whatever was introduced after then should not be used.
it has nothing to do with an introduction to something new. its long term abuse.
look at people that just start using gh. they look phenomenal. now adays this is the first time we are seeing what happens after long term abuse for over a decade. dorian didnt even us gh as long as ronnie has been thats clear. ronnie has to have been using since early 90s tille now, i would says 93-95.. thats over 10 fuckin years of high amoutns of gh. while dorian maybe used for 7- 8 years and u can see what started to happen.
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You're gonna be outed pretty soon, tool. :D
why dont you go post my pics all over every message board and then see if someone can legitimatley call me out as being a fake. someone has to know " taht guy" right? :oguess what, im for real bitch.
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so how did dorian get the gut if it wasn't for insulin? it has to be the gh.
also if milos brought insulin to bbing why doesn't he have the gut? or hide etc
milos was reckless when chasing the dream - he would no doubt have pushed the envelope in regard to dosages of insulin - and he says himself he still uses insulin - thats about 10 years of use now - yet no belly.
i agree its either 1 or the other but not sure 100% which. the gh receptors in the stomach would make me think its the gh, but dusgusted you seem really sure its the insulin.
judgeing from the era's of bbing - the early 90's was a peak imho , so whatever was introduced after then should not be used.
Never ending debate, but I agree that whatever it is it should stop. Seriously, these guys are looking really bad. Once these guys got up above 250 to 260 they all started losing striations and symmetry. Ronnie was the only one who could come in over 260 and beyond and still look great. All the others including Jay look terrible. Hell even Dorian only weighed 254 at his best.
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you want to see my face?
go find this muscle and fitness and check out the biceps training.
Well one thing for sure....it sure as hell wasn't for leg training!!
You're traveling down the wrong road junour, there are plenty of people on hear that can own your ass from here to kingdom come, myself and disgusted included, don't go down that road....trust me!
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why dont you go post my pics all over every message board and then see if someone can legitimatley call me out as being a fake. someone has to know " taht guy" right? :oguess what, im for real bitch.
Thanks for the idea. ;)
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Well one thing for sure....it sure as hell wasn't for leg training!!
You're traveling down the wrong road junour, there are plenty of people on hear that can own your ass from here to kingdom come, myself and disgusted included, don't go down that road....trust me!
i dont know you coach but ive seen you talk about insulin being the cause and thats not right. i know disgusted is making a lot of shit up though thats for sure.
I have NEVER seen someone do insulin only cycles and get a gh gut. i have seen people do only gh and get it though.
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i dont know you coach but ive seen you talk about insulin being the cause and thats not right. i know disgusted is making a lot of shit up though thats for sure.
I have NEVER seen someone do insulin only cycles and get a gh gut. i have seen people do only gh and get it though.
Use some commonsense, the "GH" gut as everyone puts it, is bullshit, it should be renamed "insulin" gut. When you see guys on stage with "GH" gut it isn't from what they have done from months prior....now think, the last few weeks or so more are low carbs but still taking insulin, the week or days before the show they start carb loading while still taking insulin, being on low carbs then suddenly introducing carbs (usually about 100grms or more and increasing the carbs each day up to the show) will cause and even more influx of insulin to be released and then loading with insulin will cause an even more, by increasing the carbs day by day along with the insulin along with stimulants WILL cause and OVER production of insulin, they will be bigger, fuller and harder but they will also lose straitions usually from spilling over, the OVER production of insulin will cause the distention in the gut.
Carbs are a stimulant and with any stimulant you will have an increase in insulin. I know when I take a stimulant (eca) along with just a little carbs (150grs) my stomach comes right out and bloats, imagine if insulin was added. IMO, insulin is the worst thing that has ever happend to BBing.
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Use some commonsense, the "GH" gut as everyone puts it, is bullshit, it should be renamed "insulin" gut. When you see guys on stage with "GH" gut it isn't from what they have done from months prior....now think, the last few weeks or so more are low carbs but still taking insulin, the week or days before the show they start carb loading while still taking insulin, being on low carbs then suddenly introducing carbs (usually about 100grms or more and increasing the carbs each day up to the show) will cause and even more influx of insulin to be released and then loading with insulin will cause an even more, by increasing the carbs day by day along with the insulin along with stimulants WILL cause and OVER production of insulin, they will be bigger, fuller and harder but they will also lose straitions usually from spilling over, the OVER production of insulin will cause the distention in the gut.
Carbs are a stimulant and with any stimulant you will have an increase in insulin. I know when I take a stimulant (eca) along with just a little carbs (150grs) my stomach comes right out and bloats, imagine if insulin was added. IMO, insulin is the worst thing that has ever happend to BBing.
so your belief is the distetion is fromlast minute prep and the growth in the stomach comes out from the last few days before the show????
now come on coach, does that make sense? honestly. you think someones stomach is going to grow that much from carb loading with insulin prior to a show? rather than long term use that causes growth of the intestines, abdominal wall, bones and all organs?
INSULIN is what is saving these bodybuilders from becoming diabetic. GH causes insulin resistance and hyperglycemia and that is a scientific fact. go look up side effects of GH and those are them along with others.
Insulin only cycles are not very popular, in fact I only know of maybe 2 other people that have done this. GH cycles are though and distention is almost immediately seen at the end of a good sized cycle for every single person I have ever known or seen.
Type 1 diabetics and type 2 diabetics ( yes there are type 2 diabetics that also use insulin althought they are not dependant on it) DO NOT have distentended mid section. Nor do they have thick skin and less visiblity of muscle defintiion.
It does not matter that type 1 diabetics do not have a fully functioning pancreas, most type 1 diabetics take more insulin than their body would normally produce after eating and before bed with the long acting insulin. In fact drs have actually UPPED the dosage on diabetics for regulation of their blood sugars. The body would clearly show signs of what we see with top bodybuilders, but it doesnt.
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so your belief is the distetion is fromlast minute prep and the growth in the stomach comes out from the last few days before the show????
now come on coach, does that make sense? honestly. you think someones stomach is going to grow that much from carb loading with insulin prior to a show? rather than long term use that causes growth of the intestines, abdominal wall, bones and all organs?
INSULIN is what is saving these bodybuilders from becoming diabetic. GH causes insulin resistance and hyperglycemia and that is a scientific fact. go look up side effects of GH and those are them along with others.
Insulin only cycles are not very popular, in fact I only know of maybe 2 other people that have done this. GH cycles are though and distention is almost immediately seen at the end of a good sized cycle for every single person I have ever known or seen.
Type 1 diabetics and type 2 diabetics ( yes there are type 2 diabetics that also use insulin althought they are not dependant on it) DO NOT have distentended mid section. Nor do they have thick skin and less visiblity of muscle defintiion.
It does not matter that type 1 diabetics do not have a fully functioning pancreas, most type 1 diabetics take more insulin than their body would normally produce after eating and before bed with the long acting insulin. In fact drs have actually UPPED the dosage on diabetics for regulation of their blood sugars. The body would clearly show signs of what we see with top bodybuilders, but it doesnt.
It absoluley makes sense for the reasons I've stated, GH has been around since the days of Arnold, Insulin has been around fo about 10 or so years. True GH will cause an influx of insulin, but so do many, many other things, not only do I feel that insulin is the cause of distention it's also the reason for these guys coming in with lack of conditioning and striations, look at the soft backs, lack of detail, Glass made reference to muscles "not moving", lack of detail in the arm/delt tie in from the rear.....soft, soft, soft and I don't think it's from lack or dieting. It's very, VERY difficult to hit a peak with insulin, the only one that I can see that did it correctly was Wolf, but he even lacks the detail the competiors once had.
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It absoluley makes sense for the reasons I've stated, GH has been around since the days of Arnold, Insulin has been around fo about 10 or so years. True GH will cause an influx of insulin, but so do many, many other things, not only do I feel that insulin is the cause of distention it's also the reason for these guys coming in with lack of conditioning and striations, look at the soft backs, lack of detail, Glass made reference to muscles "not moving", lack of detail in the arm/delt tie in from the rear.....soft, soft, soft and I don't think it's from lack or dieting. It's very, VERY difficult to hit a peak with insulin, the only one that I can see that did it correctly was Wolf, but he even lacks the detail the competiors once had.
Show me one of Milos competitors at the O that was out of hsape. They were all shredded.
Muscles arent moving because oil doesnt move ;)
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Show me one of Milos competitors at the O that was out of hsape. They were all shredded.
Muscles arent moving because oil doesnt move ;)
LOL....last part was funny. Hide looked great (can't believe he was 176) Wolf looked great, but I'm referring to actual detail. Think of how much sharper they would be with out slin. You can't possibly disagree with that.
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LOL....last part was funny. Hide looked great (can't believe he was 176) Wolf looked great, but I'm referring to actual detail. Think of how much sharper they would be with out slin. You can't possibly disagree with that.
i do disagree.
you and disgusted have got t make a choice here.
i think you guys are making the claim that gh is not responsible for this look right? ok.
then disgusted is telling me that insulin was being used by dorian prior to 1997 and he was informed by dan duchaine about its use. even though milos said himself he faxed over the information to dorian.
ok so some how dorian peaked with insulin somwhere between 93-95.. then fell off the face of the planet because of its use? thats the idea vs long term gh use right?
ok.. so coleman then wasnt using insulin in 98? 99? 2001? 2003? 2005? these are his best showins ever. surely he just didnt start using insulin for 06 and 07.
cutler didnt use it in 2001?or 2006? 2003 arnold?
levrone wasnt using it in 99? 2000?
wheeler wasnt using it 98 and 99?
dennis wolf wasnt using 07?
johnnie jackson 07?
hide 07?
Gustavo at the Ironman I forget which year I think 05?
What about Toney Freeman at the Iron Man?
Some of these bodybuilders are the best bodybuilders WHO HAVE EVER LIVED. AND AFTER THE INTRODUCTION OF INSULIN, they peaked or some people would say they made the best appearences of their life. These guys were ripped to shreds the years i mentioned.
If insulin were the cause of the current look from last minute prep as you say coach, there is no way they would have been able to peak in conditioning like this.
And the GH that was using way back when is COMPLETLEY different than GH today.That gh was extracted from cadevers and could cause serious immediate health issues. Many bodybuilders did not use it as it was also fairly new in the 80s. Synthetic GH was created in the late 80s early 90s and that is when the guts started coming out. It was new, that is why everyone was so ripped. After long term use, conditioning will fade.
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Captain Slin getting shitcanned in this thread. We've never seen that happen before ::)
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i thought one of gh's side effects was thicker skin? wouldn't that explain the lack of conditioning in some?
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well it seems its a yr to year progression of great to bad and if insulin usage and overusage makes badell a bottomfeeder and then 1 to 2 yrs he's hanging top 4 and then saying he is on same protocal or more is better then he starts finishing back out of top 5 what gives?it is like the magic pill with a short shelf life return.
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jay looks like he belongs in the wwf. not an olympia stage.
i know it's old knews about ronnie's lat and tri, but does anyone know exactly how/what he did to cause this. his entire left side is fucked up, including his left leg.
ronnie might have still been in the race if he had a much tighter midsection (impossible now) and the old sweep in his quads.
victor looks pretty good from the front but he looks bottom heavy from the back. he needs to put some serious work into his back density. so does wolf (as long as he doesn't blow his waist out in the process ala yates).
wolf might not be the hardest guy up there but he has too many good points to be denied. he is the direction that pro bbing NEEDS to go and this is why he is the crowd favourite.