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Bush trying to work with the man and he leaks the private conversation for political advantage?
Seems kind of underhanded. Reminds me of when Bush first met Obama and tried to be nice to the guy only to get burned.
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashbol.htm
BUSH ANGER: OBAMA AIDES LEAK CHAT DETAILS
Tue Nov 11 2008 09:28:10 ET
Just hours after President Bush and President-elect Obama met in the Oval Office of the White House, details of their confidential conversation began leaking out to the press, igniting anger from the president, sources claim.
"Senator Obama would be wise to keep close counsel," a top Bush source warned.
"BUSH AND OBAMA AT ODDS OVER AID FOR AUTO INDUSTRY," splashed the NEW YORK TIMES in an exclusive Monday evening, quoting "people familiar with the discussion."
The two met at the White House in private, without staff.
"Bush indicated at the meeting that he might support some aid and a broader economic stimulus package if Obama and congressional Democrats dropped their opposition to a free-trade agreement with Colombia," claimed the TIMES.
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The ASSOCIATED PRESS quickly followed with details of the conversation, citing "aides who described the discussion on grounds of anonymity, citing the private nature of the meeting."
Bush advisers view the leaks as an effort to undermine the president's remaining days in office.
"Senator Obama may not be familiar with a long-standing tradition of presidents holding their private conversations, private," a senior adviser explained to the DRUDGE REPORT.
Developing...
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Thus far I must say I'm not impressed with the guy. Yeah, he's wildly popular. So are actors and rock stars but I don't want them leading the country. Unless it's Ted Nugent. But that's for another thread.
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I was/am willing to give him a chance, but petty shit like this is really making me nervous.
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Yeah I read this, Obama and his naive staff of dipshits need to realizer this is bigboy land now and all the happy horsehit about hope and change is gone. Its all about Intel briefings and keeping the wolf away from the door. Its not about Pallin or Hilary saying stupid things, or any of the rest of the campaign bs.
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Bush trying to work with the man and he leaks the private conversation for political advantage?
Seems kind of underhanded. Reminds me of when Bush first met Obama and tried to be nice to the guy only to get burned.
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashbol.htm
I hardly see leaking a private coversation wherein it is disclosed that the current POTUS wants to play scratch my back with the economy, in the same light as the leaking of a covert CIA oprative's identity. You've got a shitty economy on your hands and Bush is dragging his heels about assisting it, in order to push through another free trade agreement? I guess you guys are waiting until the anal lube runs out before you start screaming. Obama is looking out for the economy, while the other guy is trying to play politics in the few months he has remaining.
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He shouldn't have leaked the details.
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Not sure this guy can be trusted.
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It's been a week, people. Get over it!!
Are you homos really going to dissect every word/action of the guy for the next 8 years?
Fuck it's gonna get boring and old here!!
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Are you homos really going to dissect every word/action of the guy for the next 8 years?
yes. We did that against dubya as well.
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I hardly see leaking a private coversation wherein it is disclosed that the current POTUS wants to play scratch my back with the economy, in the same light as the leaking of a covert CIA oprative's identity. You've got a shitty economy on your hands and Bush is dragging his heels about assisting it, in order to push through another free trade agreement? I guess you guys are waiting until the anal lube runs out before you start screaming. Obama is looking out for the economy, while the other guy is trying to play politics in the few months he has remaining.
You are trying to undermine the current president, it just show a great lack of character and signs of what is to come. What is it with you liberals that you always have to justify bullshit behavior with a somewhat similar but completely irrelievant situation to justify moronic behavior?
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It's been a week, people. Get over it!!
Are you homos really going to dissect every word/action of the guy for the next 8 years?
Fuck it's gonna get boring and old here!!
He had a private meeting with the President of the United States. If he can not respect that position, maybe people will not respect him.
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I hardly see leaking a private coversation wherein it is disclosed that the current POTUS wants to play scratch my back with the economy, in the same light as the leaking of a covert CIA oprative's identity. You've got a shitty economy on your hands and Bush is dragging his heels about assisting it, in order to push through another free trade agreement? I guess you guys are waiting until the anal lube runs out before you start screaming. Obama is looking out for the economy, while the other guy is trying to play politics in the few months he has remaining.
Jag....Obama and his naive staff of isiots need to keep their fucking mouth shut. If they can't keep their mouths shut about this, god knows what else they will flap their gums about once the messiah is sworn in. All ir will take is some starry eyed 26 year old staffer to run her mouth about some op in the Middle East and alot of people will get killed. This is real, not some campaign with bs speeches and hope and dream mantra's.
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you know the part where you're about to reply but you realize the person and their point is FUBAR... yea....
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yes. We did that against dubya as well.
The man ain't even been sworn in yet and y'all are talking shit. :)
He had a private meeting with the President of the United States. If he can not respect that position, maybe people will not respect him.
Like it was really private, LOL! It's over and people are still grasping at straws.
Intellectually, I get that you guys aren't responsible to entertain me... but fuck, it doesn't even seem like you are making an effort to do anything but be boring and keep ragging on every minute detail. :)
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you know the part where you're about to reply but you realize the person and their point is FUBAR... yea....
Then why waste everyones time posting bs that doesnt contribute to the discussion.
Obviously its news that people care about as its a just sad that the guy has been greeted with hospitality from the president from the day he first came to congress, but cant show the slightest inkling of respect. I mean c'mon....
Talk to the man one on one. Why resort to name calling and underhanded behavior? Is Obama a man or a weasel?
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His people need to shut their mouths..the press and yes the American people don't have a right to know eveything that goes on.
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His people need to shut their mouths..the press and yes the American people don't have a right to know eveything that goes on.
Black folk like to gossip. Even in the movie theaters.
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The man ain't even been sworn in yet and y'all are talking shit. :)
Like it was really private, LOL! It's over and people are still grasping at straws.
Intellectually, I get that you guys aren't responsible to entertain me... but fuck, it doesn't even seem like you are making an effort to do anything but be boring and keep ragging on every minute detail. :)
This isnt a non event like you are playing it out to be. its not a meaning less detail like palins microphone in her ear or her wardrobe. the game is over and this is the real shit.
The conversation was between the two men. and Obama opens his big mouth in order to put pressure on bush because he didnt get what he wanted.
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The actual topic might not be a huge issue, unless u consider free trade with Columbia big, its what it implies. These kids who will be running arround the White House have no idea the pond they just jumped into.
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Seems in poor judgement to leak the details of a president to president private meeting.
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Why are some democrats opposed to free trade with Colombia?
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Seems in poor judgement to leak the details of a president to president private meeting.
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I think history will show that Obama's nothing but a punk with a slick, polished exterior. There, I said it and I feel so much better.
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Why are some democrats opposed to free trade with Colombia?
Part of that agreement will involve setting up US military installations on the border with Venezuela.
Many people think it'll be 5 minutes after we have bases and troops ready that there is another Gulf of Tonken incident to take down Hugo and his nation, which is 5th in the world in oil exports. He sells 1/2 of his oil to the USA, but the other 50% is sold to unfriendly nations at half the price.
Would it be good for us to control his oil? yep.
Can we afford another war at the moment? Um..
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Bush trying to work with the man and he leaks the private conversation for political advantage?
Seems kind of underhanded. Reminds me of when Bush first met Obama and tried to be nice to the guy only to get burned.
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashbol.htm
That is because Obama is a media creation and a farce.
If I were GWB, I would not even look at Obama at this point. I would hand him the keys an wish him good luck.
Obama got the white house solely blaming GWB for every problem on earth. For GWB to now be showing the guy around the white house like a tour guide is just humiliating.
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That is because Obama is a media creation and a farce.
If I were GWB, I would not even look at Obama at this point. I would hand him the keys an wish him good luck.
Obama got the white house solely blaming GWB for every problem on earth. For GWB to now be showing the guy around the white house like a tour guide is just humiliating.
Yeah, how the hell did Obama had the balls to come and talk to him face to face after all the BS he said about him?
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Yeah, how the hell did Obama had the balls to come and talk to him face to face after all the BS he said about him?
It really is embarassing all around.
Obama has ZERO class.
First the Nancy Reagan "joke", now this?
Congratulations everyone, we now have the Clown in Chief as president.
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Why should Obama respect anything from that piece of shit Bush?
Bush will be lucky if Obama doesn't spearhead an investigation into the multiple crimes Bush pulled on the american people.
I won't be happy till that mass murderer is behind bars for what he did to the Iraqi people.
Isn't Drudge the gay guy that likes to play with raw eggs in the sack with other men?
http://archive.salon.com/people/col/reit/2000/03/08/npwed/print.html
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Why should Obama respect anything from that piece of shit Bush?
Bush will be lucky if Obama doesn't spearhead an investigation into the multiple crimes Bush pulled on the american people.
I won't be happy till that mass murderer is behind bars for what he did to the Iraqi people.
Isn't Drudge the gay guy that likes to play with raw eggs in the sack with other men?
http://archive.salon.com/people/col/reit/2000/03/08/npwed/print.html
Did you feel the same way about Clinton and the serbians he killed?????
Obama has no class or respect. He is a clown and when off his teleprompter is awful.
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It's politics, People.
The sooner you realize they're all whores the better. Things will be far less stressful for you all after accepting this simple truth. :)
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It's politics, People.
The sooner you realize they're all whores the better. Things will be far less stressful for you all after accepting this simple truth. :)
Unfortunately, the whore who just won the election has plans in store for us that most if his supporters are ignorant about.
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Did you feel the same way about Clinton and the serbians he killed?????
Obama has no class or respect. He is a clown and when off his teleprompter is awful.
I hate Serbians.
Why don't you go back to Nam or Korea? I wasn't thrilled with either of those two ventures as well.
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It's politics, People.
The sooner you realize they're all whores the better. Things will be far less stressful for you all after accepting this simple truth. :)
I can't be that cynical at this moment in time.
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I hate Serbians.
Why don't you go back to Nam or Korea? I wasn't thrilled with either of those two ventures as well.
All i meant was that no president is innocent and the icon Clinton has his moments too like at Waco as well.
Obama will bomb people too. Count on it. As soon as he is tested as Biden said, he will have to flex US muscle and kick some butt. He will bomb people whether you like it or not.
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Why should Obama respect anything from that piece of shit Bush?
Bush will be lucky if Obama doesn't spearhead an investigation into the multiple crimes Bush pulled on the american people.
I won't be happy till that mass murderer is behind bars for what he did to the Iraqi people.
Isn't Drudge the gay guy that likes to play with raw eggs in the sack with other men?
http://archive.salon.com/people/col/reit/2000/03/08/npwed/print.html
He should respect the office and the man who holds the office the same as we should when Obama is president.
Who did he murder exactly?
He liberated the Iraqi people you freak.
So you have a thing against gays? Not very liberal of you.
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Unfortunately, the whore who just won the election has plans in store for us that most if his supporters are ignorant about.
You would honestly prefer invading Iran?
Republicans are growing Govt and just have essentially subsidized Wall Street with a loan from you. I'd love to see a true conservative movement but Obama is the lessor of two evils. Don't blame him, blame your party for putting us into debt and making abortion and gay marriage the only two issues it gives s crap about. The need for a change is driven by how messed up things are across the country. Once people see past their own noses and get over his being black, a few will see how republicans created this entire mess. The same whores arguing about tax breaks for middle class inherited a surplus assumed total control over the money and left a deficit.
Economy sucks and instead of accepting responsibility, you're all accusing people of being ignorant. I swear 'conservatives' are reading more and more like elitist liberals on a daily basis. Add in all the conspiracy theories and it seems like a few of you have aluminum foil lining your hats, LOL!
There are a lot of reasons repubs lost power. Calling people stupid and not working on the reasons won't change things one bit. :)
I can't be that cynical at this moment in time.
You know damn well I'm right, Decker.
Republicans would have 'felt' better if McCain/Palin won but very few people's lives would have actually changed. Much the same can be said about Obama. And ultimately, if the republican leadership wanted control they would have never gone with McCain. They knew damn well where the economy is heading over the next year or two and threw you all under the bus. The only person in America who could have prevented Hillary from becoming president was Barack Obama. McCain would have never beaten her, not with this economy and how desperately libs wanted to see a woman that was pro-choice and gay marriage friendly. The next president was going to be a democrat and he's the lessor of two evils.
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He should respect the office and the man who holds the office the same as we should when Obama is president.
Who did he murder exactly?
He liberated the Iraqi people you freak.
Yes, Bush liberated tens of thousands of Iraqis of their lives for what reason again?
Bush is a chickenshit cock sucker.
So you have a thing against gays? ....
Why? Are you getting turned on?
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Why should Obama respect anything from that piece of shit Bush?
Bush will be lucky if Obama doesn't spearhead an investigation into the multiple crimes Bush pulled on the american people.
I won't be happy till that mass murderer is behind bars for what he did to the Iraqi people.
Isn't Drudge the gay guy that likes to play with raw eggs in the sack with other men?
http://archive.salon.com/people/col/reit/2000/03/08/npwed/print.html
can you post a single thought without using an ad hominem argument? for the next 8 years whenever someone disagrees with a policy of obama's are you just going to call bush a piece of shit and walk away?
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can you post a single thought without using an ad hominem argument? for the next 8 years whenever someone disagrees with a policy of obama's are you just going to call bush a piece of shit and walk away?
Fuck you dick smoker.
I kid.
Bush is a mass murderer, there's no two ways about it.
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I hate Serbians.
Why don't you go back to Nam or Korea? I wasn't thrilled with either of those two ventures as well.
OMG talk about double standards.
So Bush is a mass murderer although Saddam was throwing Mustard gas on his villages and him and his sons personally tortured hundreds and thousands of Iraqis ::) ::) ::)
By your twisted logic you can say a police man is a murderer too since if he kills a felon that try to kill someone ::)
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2 things.
considering his status,the principle of what obama did was wrong,
in terms of transparency, this could be a good thing
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OMG talk about double standards.
So Bush is a mass murderer although Saddam was throwing Mustard gas on his villages and him and his sons personally tortured hundreds and thousands of Iraqis ::) ::) ::)
By your twisted logic you can say a police man is a murderer too since if he kills a felon that try to kill someone ::)
I don't live in the United States of Iraq...do you?
I speak for my country, not Iraq. Sure Hussein was Brutal...almost as bad as Bush.
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I don't live in the United States of Iraq...do you?
I speak for my country, not Iraq. Sure Hussein was Brutal...almost as bad as Bush.
decker you are one crazy SOB.
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2 things.
considering his status,the principle of what obama did was wrong,
in terms of transparency, this could be a good thing
U really don't want to know what we're doing, u don't deserve to know what we're doing and ur not cleared to know what we're doing. Transparency is not always a good thing.
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I don't live in the United States of Iraq...do you?
I speak for my country, not Iraq. Sure Hussein was Brutal...almost as bad as Bush.
Ahhh sure dude ::) ::)
I love it...one post you all talk about global public opinion and responsibilities and the other you're fuck it! We almost got a continent of our own lets forget about the rest of the globe ::)
Also, if the US won't intervene in other nations business other will step up to it and will take its superpower status.
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Not cool.
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U really don't want to know what we're doing, u don't deserve to know what we're doing and ur not cleared to know what we're doing. Transparency is not always a good thing.
Unless it's about some military operation, I disagree...
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Yes, Bush liberated tens of thousands of Iraqis of their lives for what reason again?
Bush is a chickenshit cock sucker.
Why? Are you getting turned on?
For mistaken intelligence, but as an upside they gained their freedom.
Bush is a badass who our enemies fear.
Not really, I just love the hypocracy of people like you.
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Not sure this guy can be trusted.
Is that you in your avatar?
Do you think people enjoying seeing those bitch tits?
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Is that you in your avatar?
Do you think people enjoying seeing those bitch tits?
No, that's Avesher in my Avatar. You got a problem with that?
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For mistaken intelligence, but as an upside they gained their freedom.
Bush is a badass who our enemies fear.
Not really, I just love the hypocracy of people like you.
I don't think people fear him because he's tough, ...I think people fear him because he's a myopic idiot with access to the launch codes.
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Unless it's about some military operation, I disagree...
Which was what i was getting at..but generally I don't want to know it would make me scream.
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I don't think people fear him because he's tough, ...I think people fear him because he's a myopic idiot with access to the launch codes.
or unlike the rest of our goverment he actually follows through with what he says he will do. There is action behind his words.
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The nuts were scared shit of Bush and were really worried about McCain because they felt he wanted to get even for being a POW. I can't find the link but it was from an article on some dirtbag they shitbeat at Gitmo...i mean some nice muslim man who got back rubs and steak dinners at a nice resort in Cuba.
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Is that you in your avatar?
Do you think people enjoying seeing those bitch tits?
From urbandictionary.com:
1. garebear
1. someone who is very feminine outwardly and lacks "testicular fortitude"
2. an aggression-less loser who takes what hes dealt and doesnt fight back.
So I take it you're the "bottom" in your homosexual relationship?
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From urbandictionary.com:
1. garebear
1. someone who is very feminine outwardly and lacks "testicular fortitude"
2. an aggression-less loser who takes what hes dealt and doesnt fight back.
So I take it you're the "bottom" in your homosexual relationship?
hahaha, he is quite the little bitch.
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or unlike the rest of our goverment he actually follows through with what he says he will do. There is action behind his words.
You mean like when he said he was a uniter and not a divider?
...or when he said he didn't believe in deficit spending?
...perhaps it was the time he said he didn't believe in nation building?
...or maybe it was when he said he'd capture bin Laden dead or alive,
...only to turn around 6 months later saying he didn't give him much thought.
...or maybe it was when he said he was for less government?
Nah, I think it's more of what I said, ...not so much the action behind his words,
but the lies out of his mouth, and the short sightedness behind his actions.
A myopic madman who's darn near run your country into the ground.
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From urbandictionary.com:
1. garebear
1. someone who is very feminine outwardly and lacks "testicular fortitude"
2. an aggression-less loser who takes what hes dealt and doesnt fight back.
So I take it you're the "bottom" in your homosexual relationship?
Look, I know you and your buddies think sucking dick is fun. That's okay with me. I just don't want to see it. Just like I don't want to see some man's bitch tits. (I'm sure you enjoy it so just have him email it to you and you can masturbate to it PRIVATELY).
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Look, I know you and your buddies think sucking dick is fun. That's okay with me. I just don't want to see it. Just like I don't want to see some man's bitch tits. (I'm sure you enjoy it so just have him email it to you and you can masturbate to it PRIVATELY).
dang, that was about the lamest, sorriest attempt at a comeback I've ever seen. You can't be serious ???
BTW, you still didn't explain why you chose a screen name that means "dickless bitch/bottom in a homosexual relationship"
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Thank You
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/balance-scale-redone.jpg)
With balance, there is fairness. :)
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::) No, you will not be advertising your business on the board.
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::) No, you will not be advertising your business on the board.
It's not my intent to advertise my business, but it shouldn't be slandered or libelled from out of left field either.
If someone is going to post a false statement, I am within my right to set the record straight.
Deleting my statement while leaving the libel is hardly fair or balanced is it?
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You mean like when he said he was a uniter and not a divider?
...or when he said he didn't believe in deficit spending?
...perhaps it was the time he said he didn't believe in nation building?
...or maybe it was when he said he'd capture bin Laden dead or alive,
...only to turn around 6 months later saying he didn't give him much thought.
...or maybe it was when he said he was for less government?
Nah, I think it's more of what I said, ...not so much the action behind his words,
but the lies out of his mouth, and the short sightedness behind his actions.
A myopic madman who's darn near run your country into the ground.
Time will tell...
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It's not my intent to advertise my business, but it shouldn't be slandered or libelled from out of left field either.
If someone is going to post a false statement, I am within my right to set the record straight.
Deleting my statement while leaving the libel is hardly fair or balanced is it?
How many times have you claimed you have been "slandered or libeled? Why don't you just sue someone already. If someone thinks your products stink, then you should quit talking about your products. You've pretty much asked for criticism by trolling the board for customers.
You use every opportunity to advertise your business. If I'm around, I'll remove your advertising material, consistent with the rules you agreed to follow when you joined the board:
"The Getbig forums is for informative and entertainment. No advertisements, no spam, and solicitations are also inappropriate to this forum."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=164155.0
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How many times have you claimed you have been "slandered or libeled? Why don't you just sue someone already.
Maybe I should. I will take it into advisement.
If someone thinks your products stink, then you should quit talking about your products. You've pretty much asked for criticism by trolling the board for customers.
First of all, people who have actually used my product, DO NOT think it stinks, ...quite the contrary.
This is the fairness and balance I'm talking about. I didn't bring up my product, IFBWannabe did. We were discussing Bush, and he posted OFF-TOPIC, just as YOU are doing now. Nowhere in my response did I mention the product, you did. not only did you mention it, you stated a falsehood about it. If you're going to say something I believe to be innaccurate, it should be my right to call you on it, and to set the record straight.
You say my product stinks... though you've never tried it. I say it works and those who have tried it love it.
You offer no proof other than your assumption based on your personal bias. I offer proof based on actual customers.
You use every opportunity to advertise your business. If I'm around, I'll remove your advertising material, consistent with the rules you agreed to follow when you joined the board:
"The Getbig forums is for informative and entertainment. No advertisements, no spam, and solicitations are also inappropriate to this forum."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=164155.0
I use every opportunity to defend myself. It is not spam or advertisement, as it's only a recording of a conversation,
nowhere in the conversation is there a link or even mention of where or how to buy the stuff, and the website from which the conversation can be downloaded also does not contain a link to purchase the product. All it is is a bunch of truck drivers discussing their results that they've gotten using the product. It's a valid rebuttal to your allegations.
if you don't like me setting the record straight, standing up for myself or my products, ...don't post lies about them.
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Maybe I should. I will take it into advisement.
First of all, people who have actually used my product, DO NOT think it stinks, ...quite the contrary.
This is the fairness and balance I'm talking about. I didn't bring up my product, IFBWannabe did. We were discussing Bush, and he posted OFF-TOPIC, just as YOU are doing now. Nowhere in my response did I mention the product, you did. not only did you mention it, you stated a falsehood about it. If you're going to say something I believe to be innaccurate, it should be my right to call you on it, and to set the record straight.
You say my product stinks... though you've never tried it. I say it works and those who have tried it love it.
You offer no proof other than your assumption based on your personal bias. I offer proof based on actual customers.
I use every opportunity to defend myself. It is not spam or advertisement, as it is only a recording of a conversation,
nowhere in the conversation is there a link or even mention of where or how to buy the stuff, and the website from which the conversation can be downloaded also does not contain a link to purchase the product. All it is is a bunch of truck drivers discussing their results that they've gotten using the product. It's a valid rebuttal to your allegations.
if you don't like me setting the record straight, standing up for myself or my products, ...don't post lies about them.
The only reason anyone knows about your products and the only reason anyone says your products stink is you have talked about them. Stop talking about them. Stop advertising your business. Stop trolling the board for customers. Follow the rules.
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The only reason anyone knows about your products and the only reason anyone says your products stink is you have talked about them. Stop talking about them. Stop advertising your business. Stop trolling the board for customers. Follow the rules.
I was trying to have a conversation about Bush and the real reason he is feared.
If you have a problem with where the conversation went, ...take it up with IFBBwannabe.
I love how you went back and altered your post when you were called on your own BS.
If anybody is overstepping their authority as MOD, ...it is YOU and not Hugo.
You make a BS statement, and when someone calls you on it, and backs up their claim with proof, you delete it,
then delete the BS statement you made in the 1st place, rather than let it be seen how wrong you are.
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I was trying to have a conversation about Bush and the real reason he is feared.
If you have a problem with where the conversation went, ...take it up with IFBBwannabe.
I love how you went back and altered your post when you were called on your own BS.
If anybody is overstepping their authority as MOD, ...it is YOU and not Hugo.
You make a BS statement, and when someone calls you on it, and backs up their claim with proof, you delete it,
then delete the BS statement you made in the 1st place, rather than let it be seen how wrong you are.
I altered your post to delete your advertising spam. :-*
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I altered your post to delete your advertising spam. :-*
If you had listened to the recording, you would have heard it was NOT advertising spam,
...but a bunch of guys having a discussion about something they actually have knowledge about.
You make an allegation, and when someone calls you on your BS and provides valid proof,
you delete it, and call it advertising spam.
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If you had listened to the recording, you would have heard it was NOT advertising spam,
...but a bunch of guys having a discussion about something they actually have knowledge about.
You make an allegation, and when someone calls you on your BS and provides valid proof,
you delete it, and call it advertising spam.
::)
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Noob
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Bullshit, post the controlled scientific studies that show it works.
Hey... "The" top combustion engineer in the world said so and you should take his word for it! I mean the world's top combustion engineer is a highly coveted position with thousands, if not millions of combustion engineers worldwide vying for the honor. But there can be only one, and The One has spent a quarter million of his own money (and no doubt thousands of hours of his precious time) with the sole aim of disproving this product and in the process was proven wrong... so I'm just sayin you should probably respect his scientific findings because he's not just your average garden-variety combustion engineer, he's the TOP combustion engineer in the whole world!
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Hey... "The" top combustion engineer in the world said so and you should take his word for it! I mean the world's top combustion engineer is a highly coveted position with thousands, if not millions of combustion engineers worldwide vying for the honor. But there can be only one, and The One has spent a quarter million of his own money (and no doubt thousands of hours of his precious time) with the sole aim of disproving this product and in the process was proven wrong... so I'm just sayin you should probably respect his scientific findings because he's not just your average garden-variety combustion engineer, he's the TOP combustion engineer in the whole world!
Pretty Much! :D
The man has a reputation to uphold, and would not be sticking his neck on the line for something that he had not personally proven himself.
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Ahhh sure dude ::) ::)
I love it...one post you all talk about global public opinion and responsibilities and the other you're fuck it! We almost got a continent of our own lets forget about the rest of the globe ::)
Also, if the US won't intervene in other nations business other will step up to it and will take its superpower status.
What?
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For mistaken intelligence, but as an upside they gained their freedom.
Bush is a badass who our enemies fear.
Not really, I just love the hypocracy of people like you.
No no. Bush actively lied dozens of times to the US people and the Congress Re the threat posed by Iraq, the WMDs and Iraq's ties to Al Qaeda.
Wouldn't it be a wonderful world if we could just chalk this shitstorm up to one big OOPSIE?
Bush is a moron whom our enemies profit from.
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If thats any reflection on how his staff handles private top level meetings, its not a good initial sign.
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Bush trying to work with the man and he leaks the private conversation for political advantage?
Seems kind of underhanded. Reminds me of when Bush first met Obama and tried to be nice to the guy only to get burned.
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashbol.htm
BUSH ANGER: OBAMA AIDES LEAK CHAT DETAILS
Tue Nov 11 2008 09:28:10 ET
Just hours after President Bush and President-elect Obama met in the Oval Office of the White House, details of their confidential conversation began leaking out to the press, igniting anger from the president, sources claim.
"Senator Obama would be wise to keep close counsel," a top Bush source warned.
"BUSH AND OBAMA AT ODDS OVER AID FOR AUTO INDUSTRY," splashed the NEW YORK TIMES in an exclusive Monday evening, quoting "people familiar with the discussion."
The two met at the White House in private, without staff.
"Bush indicated at the meeting that he might support some aid and a broader economic stimulus package if Obama and congressional Democrats dropped their opposition to a free-trade agreement with Colombia," claimed the TIMES.
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The ASSOCIATED PRESS quickly followed with details of the conversation, citing "aides who described the discussion on grounds of anonymity, citing the private nature of the meeting."
Bush advisers view the leaks as an effort to undermine the president's remaining days in office.
"Senator Obama may not be familiar with a long-standing tradition of presidents holding their private conversations, private," a senior adviser explained to the DRUDGE REPORT.
Developing...
This is such a stupid topic. Obama will take over the reigns in a few months. It's the people's right to know that Bush is planning more stupidity for the country.
Bush's M/O is to do shit behind the scenes until it's practically too late to fix his 'solution.'
Bravo for Obama.
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This is such a stupid topic. Obama will take over the reigns in a few months. It's the people's right to know that Bush is planning more stupidity for the country.
Bush's M/O is to do shit behind the scenes until it's practically too late to fix his 'solution.'
Bravo for Obama.
As you and your pal 240 say...you're having a meltdown.
Although Bush is leaving soon you still can't stop bitching about him, bravo.
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this guy is going to get himself killed...u cant do shit like that...lol..
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No no. Bush actively lied dozens of times to the US people and the Congress Re the threat posed by Iraq, the WMDs and Iraq's ties to Al Qaeda.
Wouldn't it be a wonderful world if we could just chalk this shitstorm up to one big OOPSIE?
Bush is a moron whom our enemies profit from.
let me ask you something. was bill clinton lying to the american people everytime he gave a state of the union address and talked about how dangerous sadaam hussein was and how he was trying to get WMD's and how if he did clinton GUARANTEED that he would use them. i bet you havent ever considered this information because it never suited your argument. and i bet that you'll completely ignore this post and never give it another thought. people like you dont watch the news to gain knowledge or find information. people like you only watch the news to gather ammo for your foregone conclusions.
however if you think that clinton was also lying and this war in iraq was a conspiracy of both the right and the left i disagree with you, but i have a little more respect for your opinion.
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let me ask you something. was bill clinton lying to the american people everytime he gave a state of the union address and talked about how dangerous sadaam hussein was and how he was trying to get WMD's and how if he did clinton GUARANTEED that he would use them. i bet you havent ever considered this information because it never suited your argument. and i bet that you'll completely ignore this post and never give it another thought. people like you dont watch the news to gain knowledge or find information. people like you only watch the news to gather ammo for your foregone conclusions.
however if you think that clinton was also lying and this war in iraq was a conspiracy of both the right and the left i disagree with you, but i have a little more respect for your opinion.
Dont bother these idiots with the facts.
The reality is that the entire world thought Saddam had WMD. Including the UN who issued many directives for him to come clean!
Saddam made no effort to dissuade the world of this either. He gambled with GWB and lost. He did not think GWB would invade and he was wrong.
Case closed.
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As you and your pal 240 say...you're having a meltdown.
Although Bush is leaving soon you still can't stop bitching about him, bravo.
Meltdown? World class cliche`.
Your boy Bush is a murderous criminal that can't stop screwing the country....and you seemingly support him wholeheartedly.
What does that say about you?
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let me ask you something. was bill clinton lying to the american people everytime he gave a state of the union address and talked about how dangerous sadaam hussein was and how he was trying to get WMD's and how if he did clinton GUARANTEED that he would use them. i bet you havent ever considered this information because it never suited your argument. and i bet that you'll completely ignore this post and never give it another thought. people like you dont watch the news to gain knowledge or find information. people like you only watch the news to gather ammo for your foregone conclusions.
however if you think that clinton was also lying and this war in iraq was a conspiracy of both the right and the left i disagree with you, but i have a little more respect for your opinion.
Let me tell you something (we Americans are always 'telling you something")
Clinton's lies were likely based on the best evidence available, no?
Weren't Bush's statements based on the best evidence available? Read and find out:
October 7, 2002 Bush addressed the nation and said that Hussein was “a great danger to our nation”, either by using “unmanned aerial vehicles” with “chemical or biological” payloads “for missions targeting the US” or by providing these weapons to a “terrorist groups or individual terrorists to attack us.”
The day after the speech, George Tenet declassified a letter, signed by John McLaughlin, (deputy director of the CIA) which stated that Iraq was not an imminent threat to the security of the country and would not be unless the US attacked Iraq. That letter predated Bush’s speech by a matter of hours. Since the CIA is an agency of the Executive Branch and the director reports only to the president, it is unthinkable that Bush did not know the contents of the letter stating Iraq was no imminent threat to the US.
Also, the letter simply corroborated the same finding in the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate issued by the CIA to Bush on 10-1-2002. The CIA did not consider Hussein an imminent threat.
Bush said, “I’ll be making up my mind (to invade Iraq) based on the latest intelligence.”
When Bush told the nation on 10-7 that Hussein was an imminent threat to the security of the country, he was telling millions of Americans the exact opposite of what his own CIA was telling him. Bush had his minions repeat lies like these in Congressional Briefings.
On 10-4-2002, Bush issued a White Paper RESTATING the information in the 10-01-2002 NIE changing the language to make mere opinions into rock solid facts and to add words showing the US homeland was a target. That’s big-time deception.
Now bears, if the best evidence availabe clearly stated that Iraq was no threat to the US and Bush told the nation that Iraq was tremendous imminent threat to the US, would you characterize Bush's statement as a lie?
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Dont bother these idiots with the facts.
The reality is that the entire world thought Saddam had WMD. Including the UN who issued many directives for him to come clean!
Saddam made no effort to dissuade the world of this either. He gambled with GWB and lost. He did not think GWB would invade and he was wrong.
Case closed.
This shallow analysis is fitting for a pre-teen, not a thinking adult.
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This shallow analysis is fitting for a pre-teen, not a thinking adult.
by thinking you mean an ideologue who doesnt want to look at the big picture and only wants to demonize people who dont subscribe to his ideology. we can go on like this for days. lets just agree to disagree.
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by thinking you mean an ideologue who doesnt want to look at the big picture and only wants to demonize people who dont subscribe to his ideology. we can go on like this for days. lets just agree to disagree.
Was I referring to you? No? Then shut the fuck up and answer my questions from above.
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"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."
Former President Clinton
During an interview on CNN's "Larry King Live"
July 22, 2003
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"In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now -- a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.
If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton
Address to Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon staff
February 17, 1998
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"In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now -- a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.
If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton
Address to Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon staff
February 17, 1998
What the fuck do I care what Clinton said? Did Bush lie about the threat posed by Iraq?
The answer is fairly evident.
And for posterity's sake, Clinton did not order an illegal invasion of Iraq...that was all Bush.
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What the fuck do I care what Clinton said? Did Bush lie about the threat posed by Iraq?
The answer is fairly evident.
And for posterity's sake, Clinton did not order an illegal invasion of Iraq...that was all Bush.
ok.
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What the fuck do I care what Clinton said? Did Bush lie about the threat posed by Iraq?
The answer is fairly evident.
And for posterity's sake, Clinton did not order an illegal invasion of Iraq...that was all Bush.
No Just Kosovo and Haiti
With a few missile attacks on Afghanistan and Sudan
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No Just Kosovo and Haiti
With a few missile attacks on Afghanistan and Sudan
Kosovo - NATO and UN approval.
Haiti- UN approved
Afghanistan - retaliation against terrorists that attacked US embassies. Who did Iraq attack again? That's right, nobody.
Sudan - same thing.
That being said, I did not support any of those acts.
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What the fuck do I care what Clinton said? Did Bush lie about the threat posed by Iraq?
The answer is fairly evident.
And for posterity's sake, Clinton did not order an illegal invasion of Iraq...that was all Bush.
If Bush lied, so did Hillary, so did Kerry, so did Biden, and so did the Congress.
Everyone thought Saddam had WMD prior to GWB going into Iraq.
Did GWB get it wrong??? YES!!!!!!!!!!!
Did he lie ???? No.
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If Bush lied, so did Hillary, so did Kerry, so did Biden, and so did the Congress.
Everyone thought Saddam had WMD prior to GWB going into Iraq.
Did GWB get it wrong??? YES!!!!!!!!!!!
Did he lie ???? No.
When Bush told the nation on 10-7 that Hussein was an imminent threat to the security of the country, he was telling millions of Americans the exact opposite of what his own CIA was telling him. Bush had his minions repeat lies like these in Congressional Briefings.
Could you explain to me how Bush's statements to the nation were not lies?
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When Bush told the nation on 10-7 that Hussein was an imminent threat to the security of the country, he was telling millions of Americans the exact opposite of what his own CIA was telling him. Bush had his minions repeat lies like these in Congressional Briefings.
Could you explain to me how Bush's statements to the nation were not lies?
The CIA reports to the intelligence committee, which includes members of the senate and congress.
http://intelligence.senate.gov/members108thcongress.html
2003-2004
Republicans Democrats
Pat Roberts, Kansas
Chairman John D. Rockefeller IV, W.Virginia Vice Chairman
Orrin G. Hatch, Utah Carl Levin, Michigan
Mike DeWine, Ohio Dianne Feinstein, California
Christopher S. Bond, Missouri Ron Wyden, Oregon
Trent Lott, Mississippi Richard Durbin, Illinois
Olympia J. Snowe, Maine Evan Bayh, Indiana
Chuck Hagel, Nebraska John Edwards, North Carolina
Saxby Chambliss, Georgia Barbara Mikulski, Maryland
John Warner, Virginia
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In my mind it doesn't matter that he had WMD's or not.
When he used them gas the kurds we should have done something then not over 10 years later.
In 2003 wasn't doing anything with them and wasn't about to.
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When Bush told the nation on 10-7 that Hussein was an imminent threat to the security of the country, he was telling millions of Americans the exact opposite of what his own CIA was telling him. Bush had his minions repeat lies like these in Congressional Briefings.
Could you explain to me how Bush's statements to the nation were not lies?
If you accept the premise that Saddam had WMD then yes, he did pose an imminent threat since he did work with and harbor terrorists. Not the 9/11 terrorists, but islamic terrorists nonetheless.
Of course, it turned out to be wrong, but that does not make it a lie. One can be wrong and not intentionally lying at the same time.
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If you accept the premise that Saddam had WMD then yes, he did pose an imminent threat since he did work with and harbor terrorists. Not the 9/11 terrorists, but islamic terrorists nonetheless.
Of course, it turned out to be wrong, but that does not make it a lie. One can be wrong and not intentionally lying at the same time.
By that logic then we should probably invade every country int he middle east.
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By that logic then we should probably invade every country int he middle east.
which is why we should just accept that we cant beat terrorism and suck it up when 4,000 of us die by terrorist hands. we cant fight them all right? all that jibberish that all of our presidents talk about "fighting terrorism" is a joke. we cant hold any one country accountable. they are all accountable. they are all allowing terrorist sects to flourish and finance themselves.
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The CIA reports to the intelligence committee, which includes members of the senate and congress.
http://intelligence.senate.gov/members108thcongress.html
2003-2004
Republicans Democrats
Pat Roberts, Kansas
Chairman John D. Rockefeller IV, W.Virginia Vice Chairman
Orrin G. Hatch, Utah Carl Levin, Michigan
Mike DeWine, Ohio Dianne Feinstein, California
Christopher S. Bond, Missouri Ron Wyden, Oregon
Trent Lott, Mississippi Richard Durbin, Illinois
Olympia J. Snowe, Maine Evan Bayh, Indiana
Chuck Hagel, Nebraska John Edwards, North Carolina
Saxby Chambliss, Georgia Barbara Mikulski, Maryland
John Warner, Virginia
So why did Bush tell the country the exact opposite of the CIA's determination that IRaq presented no threat to the US?
And why did the Bush office rewrite the conclusions of the CIA in a white paper distributed to the Congress (It's a summary) that was packed full of exaggerations and lies?
See I think Bush's active fraud is enough to show that he took this country to war under false pretenses.
Did Congress have access to the CIA papers? Yes. Was Congress lazy in relying on the president's word/paper? Yes.
Does that somehow absolve Bush of his active fraud in going to war? No.
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If you accept the premise that Saddam had WMD then yes, he did pose an imminent threat since he did work with and harbor terrorists. Not the 9/11 terrorists, but islamic terrorists nonetheless.
Of course, it turned out to be wrong, but that does not make it a lie. One can be wrong and not intentionally lying at the same time.
Yes it does make his statements a lie. Bush said he would rely on the latest intelligence in deciding whether to go to war with Iraq.
The latest intelligence said Iraq was not threat.
Bush told the country that Iraq was an imminent threat to the US...a direct contradiction of the latest intelligence.
The WMD inspectors were finding no WMDs in IRaq.
Bush ordered the invasion regardless of that latest information putatively to disarm a country that was apparently disarmed already.
Those are acts of intention...they aren't mistakes.
How are they not lies based on the man's own criterion (latest intelligence) determining whether the US goes to war or not?
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which is why we should just accept that we cant beat terrorism and suck it up when 4,000 of us die by terrorist hands. we cant fight them all right? all that jibberish that all of our presidents talk about "fighting terrorism" is a joke. we cant hold any one country accountable. they are all accountable. they are all allowing terrorist sects to flourish and finance themselves.
How did attacking Iraq battle terrorism?
By all accounts, after the invasion, the ranks of Al Qaeda swelled.
Is it some sort of reverse psychology at work here?
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which is why we should just accept that we cant beat terrorism and suck it up when 4,000 of us die by terrorist hands. we cant fight them all right? all that jibberish that all of our presidents talk about "fighting terrorism" is a joke. we cant hold any one country accountable. they are all accountable. they are all allowing terrorist sects to flourish and finance themselves.
No, we should use good judgment and discretion.
Iraq was not an example of that.
I'll give you points for that playground style comeback though ;) ;D
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So why did Bush tell the country the exact opposite of the CIA's determination that IRaq presented no threat to the US?
And why did the Bush office rewrite the conclusions of the CIA in a white paper distributed to the Congress (It's a summary) that was packed full of exaggerations and lies?
See I think Bush's active fraud is enough to show that he took this country to war under false pretenses.
Did Congress have access to the CIA papers? Yes. Was Congress lazy in relying on the president's word/paper? Yes.
Does that somehow absolve Bush of his active fraud in going to war? No.
In my opinion congress is culpable for what happened. Both Republican and Democrat.
They are supposed to be the ones keeping checks on these organizations.
I feel the same about FEMA.
It wasn't the president cutting out the levees to build a bridge to nowhere.
It has been far too long that the president has been accountable for things that congress and the senate does or doesn't do.
This includes pork barreling, spending mismanagement, tax increases/decreases, security, intelligence, etc.
In the end congress has every right and duty to legislate and the President has every right and responsibility to over see it.
But the president can't make law only veto it.
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In my opinion congress is culpable for what happened. Both Republican and Democrat.
They are supposed to be the ones keeping checks on these organizations.
I feel the same about FEMA.
It wasn't the president cutting out the levees to build a bridge to nowhere.
It has been far too long that the president has been accountable for things that congress and the senate does or doesn't do.
This includes pork barreling, spending mismanagement, tax increases/decreases, security, intelligence, etc.
In the end congress has every right and duty to legislate and the President has every right and responsibility to over see it.
But the president can't make law only veto it.
Congress was cowed by the times. Bush is very clever. He knew he had the Congress in his back pocket. Recall that he pushed for the invasion of Iraq on the heels of the 9/11 attacks. He exploited Congressional goodwill/fears with his lies.
He started the Push for a ground war and all the democratic quotes talking about disarming Hussein do not change that.
Only the president of the USA could have ordered that attack, not the Congress, not democrats, not the republicans, only the president.
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How did attacking Iraq battle terrorism?
By all accounts, after the invasion, the ranks of Al Qaeda swelled.
Is it some sort of reverse psychology at work here?
The idea was that Iraq would draw terrorists lies flies to dung, and that is what happened.
We have no been attacked since 9/11 and Osama himself said Iraq was the central front in the war against the US.
We were able to kill many known terrorists and it is better to kill them there than over here.
Am I happy about the way the war was waged? No.
However, the fact of the matter is that there have been no terrorist attacks against the U.S. since 2001, unlike during when Clinton was president and the Cole, WTC, and the Kobar Towers were all bombed.
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The idea was that Iraq would draw terrorists lies flies to dung, and that is what happened.
If you call less than 15% of the Iraqi resistance some sort of terrorist magnet, then you might have something.
We have no been attacked since 9/11 and Osama himself said Iraq was the central front in the war against the US.
How is this relevant? Wasn't once enough?
We were able to kill many known terrorists and it is better to kill them there than over here.
That's a talking point.
Am I happy about the way the war was waged? No.
However, the fact of the matter is that there have been no terrorist attacks against the U.S. since 2001, unlike during when Clinton was president and the Cole, WTC, and the Kobar Towers were all bombed.
How many people died in those attacks on Clinton's watch?
Now McVeigh, the disgruntled rightwinger who bombed the Murrah Building, there's one terrorist Clinton did catch.
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Congress was cowed by the times. Bush is very clever. He knew he had the Congress in his back pocket. Recall that he pushed for the invasion of Iraq on the heels of the 9/11 attacks. He exploited Congressional goodwill/fears with his lies.
He started the Push for a ground war and all the democratic quotes talking about disarming Hussein do not change that.
Only the president of the USA could have ordered that attack, not the Congress, not democrats, not the republicans, only the president.
I thought he was dumbest president ever???
Its amazing someone so dumb was able to fool the brilliant MENSA members in the RAT party.
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The islamic fanatic barbarians will never stop. We have been fighting them since day one when Thomas Jefferson had to send the navy to take care of the Barbary Pirates. Pershing had to deal with these savages too as had the rest of the world since islam became a major religion. It is a religion of war and agression and will always be till the end of time.
The islamic fanatics will never stop, that is the point. Only liberals and fools believe that the terrorists were done once they pulled off 9/11.
If we do not keep vigilent at all times, we will have far worse than 9/11 sooner than you think.
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The islamic fanatic barbarians will never stop. We have been fighting them since day one when Thomas Jefferson had to send the navy to take care of the Barbary Pirates. Pershing had to deal with these savages too as had the rest of the world since islam became a major religion. It is a religion of war and agression and will always be till the end of time.
The islamic fanatics will never stop, that is the point. Only liberals and fools believe that the terrorists were done once they pulled off 9/11.
If we do not keep vigilent at all times, we will have far worse than 9/11 sooner than you think.
Exactly , and I find it hilarious that people try to make Saddam sound like an angel, the man had and used chem/bio weapons and almost achieved nuclear capabilities and his support of terror was public , combine all of that together and he's is a valid target.
Furthermore....I'm still trying to understand what Decker claims that Bush wanted to achieve in Iraq...the "genocide" he think that happens there? ::)
He got all those conspiracy theories with out a goal...just for the sake of theory ::)
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I thought he was dumbest president ever???
Its amazing someone so dumb was able to fool the brilliant MENSA members in the RAT party.
Let me guess, you're a freeper.
Even George Dumbya Bush could have figured that one out.
When the president of the US makes assertions about something as grave as war, it is almost beyond the pale to think that he would lie. Bush lied. Bush lied dozens of times. It's documented.
Bush is stupid when he discusses anything not death or torture or theft related. On those matters, he's quite adept.
He's a fucking parasitic predator.
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Exactly , and I find it hilarious that people try to make Saddam sound like an angel, the man had and used chem/bio weapons and almost achieved nuclear capabilities and his support of terror was public , combine all of that together and he's is a valid target.
Furthermore....I'm still trying to understand what Decker claims that Bush wanted to achieve in Iraq...the "genocide" he think that happens there? ::)
He got all those conspiracy theories with out a goal...just for the sake of theory ::)
What?
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Let me guess, you're a freeper.
Even George Dumbya Bush could have figured that one out.
When the president of the US makes assertions about something as grave as war, it is almost beyond the pale to think that he would lie. Bush lied. Bush lied dozens of times. It's documented.
Bush is stupid when he discusses anything not death or torture or theft related. On those matters, he's quite adept.
He's a fucking parasitic predator.
1. I like Freerepublic.com. Some of the posters are silly, but it is far more sane and rational than DU or Daily Kos.
2. I dont like GWB. From spending, to amensty for illegals, to dubai ports, to Harriet Meirs, to Prescription Drug bill, to CFR, to No Child Left Behind, to Katrina, he has been a disaster. He is not a conservative, but a big govt. statist.
3. GWB is so dumb that he was able to not only fool the RAT party over the Iraq war, but was able to fool the RAT party in two elections in both 2000 and 2004. Really amazing for the dumbest president ever to beat the genius Al Gore and John Kerry.
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No, we should use good judgment and discretion.
Iraq was not an example of that.
I'll give you points for that playground style comeback though ;) ;D
it wasnt a comeback. just an observation. but that is your plan to combat terrorism? use judgement and discretion? wow. that sounds like a real great plan. just admit the fact that you have NO idea how to fight terrorism. why? because there isnt one. simple as that.
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How did attacking Iraq battle terrorism?
By all accounts, after the invasion, the ranks of Al Qaeda swelled.
Is it some sort of reverse psychology at work here?
what do you think bush should have done after 9/11? honestly not trying to fight here. just curious as to what you think bush should have done.
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it wasnt a comeback. just an observation. but that is your plan to combat terrorism? use judgement and discretion? wow. that sounds like a real great plan. just admit the fact that you have NO idea how to fight terrorism. why? because there isnt one. simple as that.
The history of mankind shows that war is a reality. War will be with us forever. If Cain and Able could not live with each other, how are countries going to do it????
GWB had to go to war after 9/11 and Al gore would have done the same thing.
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The history of mankind shows that war is a reality. War will be with us forever. If Cain and Able could not live with each other, how are countries going to do it????
GWB had to go to war after 9/11 and Al gore would have done the same thing.
now that is one of the few honest statements ive read on this board. you my friend are a realist. that i can respect.
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what do you think bush should have done after 9/11? honestly not trying to fight here. just curious as to what you think bush should have done.
I think he should have worked with countries around the world to track down and bring to justice OBL and his Al Qaeda operatives.
Bush did not do that simple task.
It's simple in its clarity yet complex in its execution. Bush doesn't do complex obviously.
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The history of mankind shows that war is a reality. War will be with us forever. If Cain and Able could not live with each other, how are countries going to do it????
GWB had to go to war after 9/11 and Al gore would have done the same thing.
Homer opined that war is part of the human condition. We are a warlike people.
I am not such a fatalist.
I believe in free will to the extent that it was not written in stone that a war had to happen as a result of the attacks of 9/11.
That's too easy. Too simple and it justifies too much evil.
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Blah, blah, blah. This is a broing as thread.
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I think he should have worked with countries around the world to track down and bring to justice OBL and his Al Qaeda operatives.
Bush did not do that simple task.
It's simple in its clarity yet complex in its execution. Bush doesn't do complex obviously.
Going into Afghan had nothing to do with tracking Al Qaeda?
Other countries won't help without a major action like going into war and threatening them with sanctions, everybody prefer to sit on the sides and let other do the job, although the wave of terrorism in Europe helped the European union wake up a little.
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Going into Afghan had nothing to do with tracking Al Qaeda?
Other countries won't help without a major action like going into war and threatening them with sanctions, everybody prefer to sit on the sides and let other do the job, although the wave of terrorism in Europe helped the European union wake up a little.
Have you ever considered switching to decaf?
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Have you ever considered switching to decaf?
I stopped drinking caffeine based drinks a week ago :P
Thanks for asking ;)
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I stopped drinking caffeine based drinks a week ago :P
Thanks for asking ;)
You know how worried I get.
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I think he should have worked with countries around the world to track down and bring to justice OBL and his Al Qaeda operatives.
Bush did not do that simple task.
It's simple in its clarity yet complex in its execution. Bush doesn't do complex obviously.
That is pure 100% nonsense. GWB for weeks told the taliban that he would not invade if they turned over Bin Laden and the people responsible. They refused to do it.
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Homer opined that war is part of the human condition. We are a warlike people.
I am not such a fatalist.
I believe in free will to the extent that it was not written in stone that a war had to happen as a result of the attacks of 9/11.
That's too easy. Too simple and it justifies too much evil.
I am not a fatalist, I am a reality based person who realizes that things are the way they are and you are not going to change them.
Wars have and will be fought forever, whether you like it or not.
Even as recently as pre-WW2, Nevllle Chamberline tried desperately to avoid war with Hitler, look how that worked out???
The best way to avoid war is through projecting strength to your enemies. Have you ever read Sun Tzu are of war????
Bin Laden himself stated that after not responding to the attacks of the Cole, WTC 1993, Kobar Towers, running scared in Somalia, that America is a paper tiger afraid to use its strength.
By projecting weakness in the 1990's, the terrorists became bold enough to pull off 9/11.
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That is pure 100% nonsense. GWB for weeks told the taliban that he would not invade if they turned over Bin Laden and the people responsible. They refused to do it.
Before they would hand him over, the Afghani government asked Bush for a mere scintilla of proof that OBL was behind the 9/11 attacks.
What an unreasonable demand!
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Decker, question bro..
Can a conservative do anything right by you?
If a G. Bush walked up to you and handed you a hundred dollar bill, would you hate him and flame him for being 'fiscally irresponsible'?
:)
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I am not a fatalist, I am a reality based person who realizes that things are the way they are and you are not going to change them.
Wars have and will be fought forever, whether you like it or not.
Even as recently as pre-WW2, Nevllle Chamberline tried desperately to avoid war with Hitler, look how that worked out???
The best way to avoid war is through projecting strength to your enemies. Have you ever read Sun Tzu are of war????
Bin Laden himself stated that after not responding to the attacks of the Cole, WTC 1993, Kobar Towers, running scared in Somalia, that America is a paper tiger afraid to use its strength.
By projecting weakness in the 1990's, the terrorists became bold enough to pull off 9/11.
I am not a fatalist. . .Wars have and will be fought forever, whether you like it or not.
You'd better reassess your statements for accuracy.
But there you go again with your rightwing talking points.
What the hell is OBL supposed to say? The truth? "American a singular ubeatable force that runs the world as it sees fit. It uses any country it wants for its own purposes and has no respect for others's life, liberty or property"...
Of course he won't admit that. He'll feed you BS and just like Bush, you bite like it's an all-you-can-eat buffet.
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Decker, question bro..
Can a conservative do anything right by you?
If a G. Bush walked up to you and handed you a hundred dollar bill, would you hate him and flame him for being 'fiscally irresponsible'?
:)
Show me a Bill Buckley/Berkeley conservative and then we'll talk.
Conservatism in its present hypocritical form is cancer to this country.
If Bush were to hand me a $100 it's only b/c he had something else up his sleeve.
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Before they would hand him over, the Afghani government asked Bush for a mere scintilla of proof that OBL was behind the 9/11 attacks.
What an unreasonable demand!
Oh are you one of those now????? Bin Laden didn't do it??????
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No, George Bush did it.
Don't you know anything?
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Oh are you one of those now????? Bin Laden didn't do it??????
Now?
I'm just telling you the facts and you go into attack mode.
I bet that propeller on your hat is spinning so fast it's smokin'.
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Now?
I'm just telling you the facts and you go into attack mode.
I bet that propeller on your hat is spinning so fast it's smokin'.
Arn't you the one who keeps saying that GWB ignored the CIA memo about "Bin Laden determined to attack the US"?
Which is it?????
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Arn't you the one who keeps saying that GWB ignored the CIA memo about "Bin Laden determined to attack the US"?
Which is it?????
Are you saying that Bush never saw the CIA report entiteld "OBL determined to strike in US"?
That would put you at odds with Rice and Bush then.
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That is pure 100% nonsense. GWB for weeks told the taliban that he would not invade if they turned over Bin Laden and the people responsible. They refused to do it.
they offered.
to turn him over to a world trial.
or to us, if we provided evidence of his guilt.
to this day, he's not even wanted by the FBI for the crime, so it's safe to say that evidence never materialized :(
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they offered.
to turn him over to a world trial.
or to us, if we provided evidence of his guilt.
to this day, he's not even wanted by the FBI for the crime, so it's safe to say that evidence never materialized :(
So the tape of Bin Laden admitting to being behind it is a fake too?
You conspiracy nuts are amazing. You blame GWB for ignoring a memo that said Bin Laden was determined to attack the US with planes, and then when it happens, you claim Bin Laden did not do it?
So was that memo a fake too?
You guys are so tangled in all the contradictions of all your crazy theories.
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So the tape of Bin Laden admitting to being behind it is a fake too?
You conspiracy nuts are amazing. You blame GWB for ignoring a memo that said Bin Laden was determined to attack the US with planes, and then when it happens, you claim Bin Laden did not do it?
So was that memo a fake too?
You guys are so tangled in all the contradictions of all your crazy theories.
oh brother... colin powell slipped and said we'd find that tape a few days before it was discovered.
believe what you want. the rest of the world, and the majority of america, knows it's a load of shit. There are still grown-ups who believe in santa claus, too, I suppose.
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Show me a Bill Buckley/Berkeley conservative and then we'll talk.
Conservatism in its present hypocritical form is cancer to this country.
If Bush were to hand me a $100 it's only b/c he had something else up his sleeve.
Soooo;..... how come you don't question the motives of the Liberal democrats social redistribution schemes?
Do you think the libs want to dump all those trillions into the 'social welfare' rathole because they really care about the bottom-feeders of society?
Perhaps they just want to buy the votes or something? And there is a lot more scumbags needing welfare than decent hard-working people coming up and voting in the relative near future?
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I am not a fatalist. . .Wars have and will be fought forever, whether you like it or not.
You'd better reassess your statements for accuracy.
But there you go again with your rightwing talking points.
What the hell is OBL supposed to say? The truth? "American a singular ubeatable force that runs the world as it sees fit. It uses any country it wants for its own purposes and has no respect for others's life, liberty or property"...
Of course he won't admit that. He'll feed you BS and just like Bush, you bite like it's an all-you-can-eat buffet.
you have really been sucked in man. you do make some really good posts and i respect your opinion on a lot of things but do you hear what you're saying? you think america "runs the world as it sees fit. It uses any country it wants for its own purposes and has no respect for others's life, liberty or property"? you think 9/11 was americas fault? seriously?
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Soooo;..... how come you don't question the motives of the Liberal democrats social redistribution schemes?
Do you think the libs want to dump all those trillions into the 'social welfare' rathole because they really care about the bottom-feeders of society?
Perhaps they just want to buy the votes or something? And there is a lot more scumbags needing welfare than decent hard-working people coming up and voting in the relative near future?
Some of the dark motives you attribute to democrats may apply. Maybe they don't. I don't really care what motivates them as long as the least among us are given a hand up through the democratic policies implemented.
For the most part, critics that play the 'analyzation of motives' game have fallen for the process over substance bullshit of national punditry. Who gives a shit what a politician is thinking at the time he voted for X? That's for nattering old ladies to discuss.
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you have really been sucked in man. you do make some really good posts and i respect your opinion on a lot of things but do you hear what you're saying? you think america "runs the world as it sees fit. It uses any country it wants for its own purposes and has no respect for others's life, liberty or property"? you think 9/11 was americas fault? seriously?
The attacks of 9/11 were the fault of Al Qaeda. Not Iraq. Not the Taliban. Seriously.
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Soooo;..... how come you don't question the motives of the Liberal democrats social redistribution schemes?
Do you think the libs want to dump all those trillions into the 'social welfare' rathole because they really care about the bottom-feeders of society?
Perhaps they just want to buy the votes or something? And there is a lot more scumbags needing welfare than decent hard-working people coming up and voting in the relative near future?
I guess I look at it from a hypocrisy stand point.
The GOP is supposed to be against all of that spending and what not, but they still got down with giving 850 billion dollar bailout bill.
At least the Dems being for it is in line with their rhetoric, but it's completely against the Repubs tag line.
I think McCain may have put up a much better chance at winning this past year had he only done two things.
1. Not approve the bailout
and
2. Not picked Palin.
I might have voted for him to be honest.
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I guess I look at it from a hypocrisy stand point.
The GOP is supposed to be against all of that spending and what not, but they still got down with giving 850 billion dollar bailout bill.
At least the Dems being for it is in line with their rhetoric, but it's completely against the Repubs tag line.
I think McCain may have put up a much better chance at winning this past year had he only done two things.
1. Not approve the bailout
and
2. Not picked Palin.
I might have voted for him to be honest.
Palin helped McCain. If Palin were not picked, Obama would have won by over ten million votes.
McCain lost because:
1. Supported the bailout thus making him not "maverick" but a washington insider.
2. Refusing to go after Rev. Wright as an issue.
3. Bringing up Ayers but at the same time saying "we have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency." WTF??? What nonsense, it makes no sense.
4. Being tied to Bush.
5. Amnesty and CFR. Hispanics were not going to vote for him anyway, and CFR hindered his ability to raise enough money.
6. McCain is not a republican, but a Dem-lite.
McCain lost because of McCain, plain and simple.
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I'm not a prayin' man but I do pray to god that Palin is the 2012 republican presidential nominee.
Fish in a barrel my friends.
Let's round that ticket out with the QuayleMonster as VP again.
Incoherent English....it's not just for the insane any more.
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Palin helped McCain. If Palin were not picked, Obama would have won by over ten million votes.
McCain lost because:
1. Supported the bailout thus making him not "maverick" but a washington insider.
2. Refusing to go after Rev. Wright as an issue.
3. Bringing up Ayers but at the same time saying "we have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency." WTF??? What nonsense, it makes no sense.
4. Being tied to Bush.
5. Amnesty and CFR. Hispanics were not going to vote for him anyway, and CFR hindered his ability to raise enough money.
6. McCain is not a republican, but a Dem-lite.
McCain lost because of McCain, plain and simple.
We will have to disagree... I believe Palin only helped with the Religious right... And they were going to vote for him anyway, so she really did nothing.
As I said, and I think I'm far more "average" American than many, and if he had not done those two things, I very well might have voted for him.
The Wright thing was a lost cause... Seriously.
Do you not think that America knew about that? They just didn't care.
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We will have to disagree... I believe Palin only helped with the Religious right... And they were going to vote for him anyway, so she really did nothing.
As I said, and I think I'm far more "average" American than many, and if he had not done those two things, I very well might have voted for him.
The Wright thing was a lost cause... Seriously.
Do you not think that America knew about that? They just didn't care.
Did you hear the Howard Stern tape????? Most 0 voters didnt have any clue about what 0 stood for, let alone that he is tied to the hip of a racist church.
BTW - the independents were never going to vote for McCain anyway. McCain was only popular with the media because he always attacked Republicans. As soon as he ran against one of their own, they turned on him like Rush said they would.
Why is that GWB and RR both won two terms as president???? They ran as conservatives. not "moderates" What GWB did as a president is another matter altogether, but the point is that running as a "moderate" is a sure fire way to lose an election.
Democrats are never going to vote for a republican and it is a waste of time watering down your "brand" to try to get votes from people who are never going to vote for you anyway.
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The attacks of 9/11 were the fault of Al Qaeda. Not Iraq. Not the Taliban. Seriously.
thats not what you said.
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thats not what you said.
Oh?
What did I say? You can quote me, go ahead.
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I am not a fatalist. . .Wars have and will be fought forever, whether you like it or not.
You'd better reassess your statements for accuracy.
But there you go again with your rightwing talking points.
What the hell is OBL supposed to say? The truth? "American a singular ubeatable force that runs the world as it sees fit. It uses any country it wants for its own purposes and has no respect for others's life, liberty or property"...
Of course he won't admit that. He'll feed you BS and just like Bush, you bite like it's an all-you-can-eat buffet.
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maybe i misunderstood. but that sure sounds like you are trying to rationalize OBL's behavior.
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maybe i misunderstood. but that sure sounds like you are trying to rationalize OBL's behavior.
You misunderstood.
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You misunderstood.
ok. i accept your apology. jk. :)
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ok. i accept your apology. jk. :)
Why I oughtta....hahaha
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Black folk like to gossip. Even in the movie theaters.
x100 if it's a comedy or horror movie LMAO!
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Arn't you the one who keeps saying that GWB ignored the CIA memo about "Bin Laden determined to attack the US"?
Which is it?????
If someone WANTS to fly a plane into a building, there isnt much anyone can do about it..
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Palin helped McCain. If Palin were not picked, Obama would have won by over ten million votes.
McCain lost because:
1. Supported the bailout thus making him not "maverick" but a washington insider.
2. Refusing to go after Rev. Wright as an issue.
3. Bringing up Ayers but at the same time saying "we have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency." WTF??? What nonsense, it makes no sense.
4. Being tied to Bush.
5. Amnesty and CFR. Hispanics were not going to vote for him anyway, and CFR hindered his ability to raise enough money.
6. McCain is not a republican, but a Dem-lite.
McCain lost because of McCain, plain and simple.
Good points. I would have voted Republican Ron paul in a minute.
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If someone WANTS to fly a plane into a building, there isnt much anyone can do about it..
They can turn off NORAD for the day ;)
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They can turn off NORAD for the day ;)
Since when NORAD are in charge of regular flights ? Especially ones that fly near a city that have several airports ::)
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Good points. I would have voted Republican Ron paul in a minute.
I think most people would have.
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Good points. I would have voted Republican Ron paul in a minute.
Ron Paul represents an unacceptable threat to both parties. The country club GOP types hates him and the liberals are probably horrified of him as well.
The media does a great job marginalizing a guy like him because they rely on the two party cartel for Ad buys every campaign season.
Seriously, can you imagine Zero in a debate alone with Ron Paul???? Would it even be fair???
How about McLame??? Ron Paul would embarass McCain as well.
The problem with Ron Paul is that he preaches tough medicine for people who want to believe in fairy tales.
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The problem with Ron Paul is that he preaches tough medicine for people who want to believe in fairy tales.
Very well put. The problem is--we live in a democracy and if the majority of the people want to believe in fairy tales, then they'll vote for the candidate who offers them pie in the sky. Pretty pathetic, but apparently that's where we're at today.
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Very well put. The problem is--we live in a democracy and if the majority of the people want to believe in fairy tales, then they'll vote for the candidate who offers them pie in the sky. Pretty pathetic, but apparently that's where we're at today.
Ron Paul was by far the most honest of the entire bunch and look where it got him. The sad reality is that promising people free stuff always wins out.
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Ron Paul represents an unacceptable threat to both parties. The country club GOP types hates him and the liberals are probably horrified of him as well.
The media does a great job marginalizing a guy like him because they rely on the two party cartel for Ad buys every campaign season.
Seriously, can you imagine Zero in a debate alone with Ron Paul???? Would it even be fair???
How about McLame??? Ron Paul would embarass McCain as well.
The problem with Ron Paul is that he preaches tough medicine for people who want to believe in fairy tales.
Yes but Paul could use a refresher on public speaking. I think his mind works a lot faster than his mouth unfortunately. He was pretty pathetic sounding in some of the debates as far as his articulation not his ideas. Politics is all about image unfortunately.