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i always kind of wondered about Ron's poundage claims when i read his articles in the magazines and when i saw his clips i understand why, half reps on incline db presses, Smith machine shoulder presses to the nose, standing almost completely straight barbell rows, swinging db curls, deadlifts above the knees, etc. if you want to check them out he goes under RonHarrisMuscle on you tube, check them out it's hilarious.
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Hahaha checked out the rack deads, dude doesn't even clear the knees!
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hahahaha, check out the way he poses his 15 inch arms after each set, what a clown.
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I'd like to know if Dante approves of his form, after all he is being trained by Dante now. The shoulder hammer presses were like one quarter reps.
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that's a rack dead? and that's alot of grunting for a 405 rackdead if that... >:(
but other than his weird ass deads..everything else looks pretty good to me! i mean he's a pretty big dude!
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I'd like to know if Dante approves of his form, after all he is being trained by Dante now. The shoulder hammer presses were like one quarter reps.
hahahaha, i guess it depends on how much True Protein and olive oil he buys from him.
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some of the comments under the clips are funny as shit, mostly guys ripping on his half reps.
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to be honest, what i see here is someone now off the gear (i hope he is for his sake) still trying to lift the same heavy weights, which he obviously cant.\
I doubt he could easily press the 100's going all the way down.
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to be honest, what i see here is someone now off the gear (i hope he is for his sake) still trying to lift the same heavy weights, which he obviously cant.\
I doubt he could easily press the 100's going all the way down.
exactly, the thing that still makes me laugh is the ridiculous posing after every set, his arms are barely 15 inches and he's smooth as the day is long yet he poses like he's Mr. Olympia after every set.
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His lifts look fine to me. Rack deadlifts are supposed to be partial movements.
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The hack squats were pretty impressive, but his other lifts are a joke. He would be a lot better off just doing bench presses and deadlifts for his upper body, because those half rep "incline dumbbell presses" and "bent-over rows" obviously aren't doing shit.
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he has decent form. as far as the "posing," can one only be 250 minimum and dieted down to 4% to pose?
i'd say he's doing alright, especially off the gas.
are your workout/posing vids on youtube?
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The hack squats were pretty impressive, but his other lifts are a joke. He would be a lot better off just doing bench presses and deadlifts for his upper body, because those half rep "incline dumbbell presses" and "bent-over rows" obviously aren't doing shit.
totally agreed, the leg movements were fine but the others were shit.
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Guys,
The proof is in the pudding and he looks ten times better than any of you. We all know training is 0% of the equation.
Special "Jello Puddin' Pops" Ed
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I thought Dante did rest pause sets?
That doesn't look like doggcrapp training.
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His lifts are decent...still why I tip my hat to him is because he is one of the very very few bodybuilding writers that actually digs through the ditches, and burns through the witches and slams in the back of his DRAGULA where the others either never seen the inside of a gym or haven't been to a gym for about 20yrs.
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Rack deadlifts are supposed to be partial movements.
Partial yes but not 2 inches ABOVE the knee.
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exactly, the thing that still makes me laugh is the ridiculous posing after every set, his arms are barely 15 inches and he's smooth as the day is long yet he poses like he's Mr. Olympia after every set.
ENOUGH already!!! lets see your monster 20 inch arms. you cannot make another dumb comment like this until you show your picture
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ENOUGH already!!! lets see your monster 20 inch arms. you cannot make another dumb comment like this until you show your picture
hahahaha, ok "luv2build". ::)
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Yuh....totally doesn't know what he's doing ::)
2002
New England Championships - NPC, HeavyWeight, 2nd
2003
Massachusetts Championships - NPC, HeavyWeight, 2nd
New England Championships - NPC, Light-HeavyWeight, 7th
Orange County (CA) Classic - NPC, Light-HeavyWeight, 2nd
2004
Massachusetts Championships - NPC, HeavyWeight, 3rd
2005
New England Championships - NPC, HeavyWeight, 2nd
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Yuh....totally doesn't know what he's doing ::)
2002
New England Championships - NPC, HeavyWeight, 2nd
2003
Massachusetts Championships - NPC, HeavyWeight, 2nd
New England Championships - NPC, Light-HeavyWeight, 7th
Orange County (CA) Classic - NPC, Light-HeavyWeight, 2nd
2004
Massachusetts Championships - NPC, HeavyWeight, 3rd
2005
New England Championships - NPC, HeavyWeight, 2nd
those "contests" must have been weak as hell because his body is nothing, 15 inch arms, no chest or back, soft as butter but his legs are pretty good.
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those "contests" must have been weak as hell because his body is nothing, 15 inch arms, no chest or back, soft as a butter but his legs are pretty good.
willing to put your new name on the line that his arms are only 15 inches? ;)
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Quit sippin' the haterade and show up at the new englands some year if you think its a lame show....plus you get to meet J....he guest poses almost every year.Badell also did the new englands when he was coming up.
Heres just one show....2005...check the guest posing list near the top....and every year its like that.
http://www.npcnewengland.com/2005ne.htm
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ok....'liberty' hahahah
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The quarter rack deads are fine if he was just doing lockouts. The rows are atrocious...he reminds me of the 20 year old kids in the gym on the t-bar that stand straight up because they don't want to accept the truth...they are weak. If he was bent over (as the exercise suggest), slightly above 90 degrees with a flat back he probably couldn't get 225 for 10. The incline DB half reps are just that...if that's what he was going after (1/2 reps) than he did fine. Ron looks good, but the lifts aren't done well.
Even still I would bet he's stronger than this squad father guy.
Squad dick head....instead of insulting people with your garbage why don't you put up your great pix and show us what a your physique looks like. Simple, put up or shut up. I will go on a limb here and say that you look like nothing and couldn't even place in the top 5 at a LOCAL show. Prove me wrong.
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hahahaha, ok "luv2build". ::)
AMAZING COMEBACK!!!! oh you got me so good. i might cry now.
"Squadfather" why dont you change that name to 13 year old moron. or better yet show your picture that gives you room to talk shit about every person you see.
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Squad dick head....instead of insulting people with your garbage why don't you put up your great pix and show us what a your physique looks like. Simple, put up or shut up. I will go on a limb here and say that you look like nothing and couldn't even place in the top 5 at a LOCAL show. Prove me wrong.
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Squad prove us all wrong.
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The quarter rack deads are fine if he was just doing lockouts. The rows are atrocious...he reminds me of the 20 year old kids in the gym on the t-bar that stand straight up because they don't want to accept the truth...they are weak. If he was bent over (as the exercise suggest), slightly above 90 degrees with a flat back he probably couldn't get 225 for 10. The incline DB half reps are just that...if that's what he was going after (1/2 reps) than he did fine.
Squad dick head....instead of insulting people with your garbage why don't you put up your great pix and show us what a your physique looks like. Simple, put up or shut up. I will go on a limb here and say that you look like nothing and couldn't even place in the top 5 at a LOCAL show. Prove me wrong.
translation= you train the same way he does and i struck a nerve and hurt your feelings.
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translation= you train the same way he does and i struck a nerve and hurt your feelings.
Um, No and No. and it takes WAY more than that to strike a nerve.
hahahahahahahaha "SQUADFATHER"
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Um, No and No. and it takes WAY more than that to strike a nerve.
hahahahahahahaha "SQUADFATHER"
no, i think he's write. you sound like you're really hurt. i can almost feel the bitter tears flowing down your face as you type. boy, he really cute you to the core. ::)
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no, i think he's write. you sound like you're really hurt. i can almost feel the bitter tears flowing down your face as you type. boy, he really cute you to the core. ::)
Oh thats right magoo. i am going to jump into traffic. some guy/girl i dont even know that is real tough on the internet has ruined my entire life. he really did CUTE me. didnt he. learn to spell idiot
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Oh thats right magoo. i am going to jump into traffic. some guy/girl i dont even know that is real tough on the internet has ruined my entire life. he really did CUTE me. didnt he. learn to spell idiot
psst, i was being facetious. i had hoped it would be obvious, but it's tough to get that kind of thing across in type. :-\
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translation= you train the same way he does and i struck a nerve and hurt your feelings.
Seriously, instead of critiquing people show me where i can see a posted pix of you or post one. It's easy to critique, BUT can you do better and HAVE you?
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psst, i was being facetious. i had hoped it would be obvious, but it's tough to get that kind of thing across in type. :-\
That it is. no big deal though
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bumpamania.
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i always kind of wondered about Ron's poundage claims when i read his articles in the magazines and when i saw his clips i understand why, half reps on incline db presses, Smith machine shoulder presses to the nose, standing almost completely straight barbell rows, swinging db curls, deadlifts above the knees, etc. if you want to check them out he goes under RonHarrisMuscle on you tube, check them out it's hilarious.
Sarcasm, why are you stalking Ron Harris?
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and slams in the back of his DRAGULA
He does get slammed in his Dracula on a frequent basis.
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Actually, a lot of the YouTube comments have forced me to really reconsider my form. With the barbell rows, for example, I realize that the form SUCKS and I am going back to dumbbell rows, where I don't have any tendency to start standing up. As for the partial reps on some things, I do agree I see it too. I confess that with DC Training, especially doing it clean (been off for 8 months now), it's very hard to keep using more weight and do more reps every single workout, especially since I've already been training for over 20 years.
Now, as for no chest, come on now!
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Okay, I f'd up there, that was a back shot. Here's the chest pose. All of these were taken months and months off gear. I won't even bother posting pics up from when I was on.
And my arms haven't been 15 inches since around 1988. They are nothing to brag about, I know, but the left is 18 1/4 cold and the right is 18.
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you've got a good build Ron but there's no way in hell that your arms are 18 inches and your body is nowhere near good enough to hit poses the way you do in those clips.
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One last thing - the NE is not a weak show. This is a shot from 2005. There were 13 Heavyweights, and I took second place at 210 pounds and 5-8 1/2.
Some great bb's to come out of MA include Jay Cutler, Paul DeMayo, Mike Matarazzo, Fred Bigot, Craig Licker, Tito and Jose Raymond, Derik Farnsworth, and Mike Quinn. I am well aware I am nowhere near their level!
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for a big guy he's not very strong..those are average lifts... :-\ I wish i could look that good moving that kinda weight! :(
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Squadfather, my arms are 18 inches, and the only person that would have a hard time believing that is someone with 14-inch arms that thinks 18 is some huge measurement. It's not at all.
If I post a video of the arm being measured, all I would hear is,
- the tape measure is fake
- he's on juice
- he has Synthol in his arms, no arm could possibly be over 15 inches without Synthol!
- ha ha your arms are only 18 inches, you loser!
There is no way to win. You can't win on YouTube anyway.
Good form: not enough weight, must be on gear, using a machine and those are easy, physique sucks
Bad form: make fun of bad form, physique sucks, if physique is good it's because you're on gear.
Now excuse me, I really have to get to work now.
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Squadfather, my arms are 18 inches, and the only person that would have a hard time believing that is someone with 14-inch arms that thinks 18 is some huge measurement. It's not at all.
If I post a video of the arm being measured, all I would hear is,
- the tape measure is fake
- he's on juice
- he has Synthol in his arms, no arm could possibly be over 15 inches without Synthol!
- ha ha your arms are only 18 inches, you loser!
There is no way to win. You can't win on YouTube anyway.
Good form: not enough weight, must be on gear, using a machine and those are easy, physique sucks
Bad form: make fun of bad form, physique sucks, if physique is good it's because you're on gear.
Now excuse me, I really have to get to work now.
even if i saw you measure them at 18 inches to me they don't LOOK 18 inches, i got into this same discussion with a guy i used to work with about Tampa Bay's running back Mike Alstott who used to claim he was 265 pounds and looked 215-220 i told him that even if he got on a scale in front of me and weighed 265 he doesn't LOOK 265.
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pazuzu what weight were you at in contest shape? that's looking good!
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Once again guys just ripping a guy who actually competes.Amazing.However,I will say this,partial deadlifts are the single biggest waste of time in the world.I see absolutely no point in doing them whatsover.
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At that show I was 210 and I am 5-8 and 1/2. Before I dropped my water the night before, I was about 214.
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Billy, if people want to see real power, you should post up vid clips. I know you have done some insane lifts in official powerlifting meets.
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Once again guys just ripping a guy who actually competes.Amazing.However,I will say this,partial deadlifts are the single biggest waste of time in the world.I see absolutely no point in doing them whatsover.
just because a person doesn't compete doesn't mean that they don't train hard.
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damn 214! :o makes dieting down from 242 to 225 not seem so bad! i think your lifts all looked good save your deads but hey! you look good for what you do! are those your heaviest lifts on those exercises? ???
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yeah Ron listen to Texas Rush he benches 380 on the Smith Machine. ::)
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ok "squadfather" ::) hahaha oh brother!! I bet you're the type of guy who........
You really are a nerd,you do know that,right?
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The hack squats were pretty impressive, but his other lifts are a joke. He would be a lot better off just doing bench presses and deadlifts for his upper body, because those half rep "incline dumbbell presses" and "bent-over rows" obviously aren't doing shit.
i think so his form on incline presses was alright though
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I agree, his upper arms looked to be parallel to the ground which is all that really matters anyway - and it saves the shoulders. Flys/crossovers are better for getting a good pec stretch. I think Ron's a good example of a guy without Mr. Olympia genetics doing a good job with what he has, very good physique overall.
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My arms don't 'look' 18 inches because they are, and always have been, weak in comparison to my shoulders and chest.
This whole strength thing is silly. I have seen many, many guys that are incredibly strong for their size, though you would never guess it by looking at them. There are only a few bodybuilders that are as strong or stronger than you would guess by looking at them, like Ronnie and Johnnie Jackson. Strength and size are not always so closely related. We have all seen those 130-pound Olympic lifters from Turkey and Bulgaria that can grab 400 pounds off the ground and jerk it overhead. How many 250-pound bodybuilders can do that? My guess would be none.
My lifts are nothing special and I never claimed they were. The only reason I started posting on YouTube was because it was an easy and free way to have links to video clips that I could use on my blog, The Daily Pump.
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Someone certainly can train hard without competing.However,for someone to come on a forum and rip on a guy who,not only trains hard,but has the nads to compete is the silliest thing Ive ever seen.Ron put his reputation on the line and goes on stage and competes.He does this knowing that some arm chair "bodybuilder" on a website will rip him.He writes magazine articles and knows ,that by competing,he will be the first one to get ripped for having any part of his body not measuring up,or not coming in shape or any other of a thousand other things.The guy could easily just train in seclusion,and never post a pic or video of himself,make a living writing like so many other bodybuilding writers do,but instead,he "mans up" and goes on stage and shows what he has.To rip a guy like that is assanine and sad,especially if you cant muster the same courage.
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Matt, my legs are 28 inches around the thickest part. The sweep makes them look bigger, and that's just thanks to genetics.
Billy, I figured out a long time ago that if you post up pics or video clips, you are going to get ripped on no matter what. The comments I get on YouTube are the worst, because it's 99% haters over there. But such is life. I am happy with who I am and what I do, and that's all that matters. I will never have the physique I wish I did, but I am grateful to have what I do have. I watched a special called 'The Boy Whose Skin Fell Off' last week about this guy in England named Jonny Kennedy who died at age 36 of this horrendous disease, never having gone through puberty or had any type of romantic relationship. He kept a sense of humor and stayed positive despite being covered in sores and living in agony 24/7 his whole life.
Things like that put it all into perspective. How can I cry over not having 21-inch arms when I see something like that? How can I worry about someone saying I didn't go all the way down on an incline press? I am alive, healthy, have a career, a wonderful wife and two kids. That's why I don't let it get to me when guys post insults and so on.
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Actually, a lot of the YouTube comments have forced me to really reconsider my form. With the barbell rows, for example, I realize that the form SUCKS and I am going back to dumbbell rows, where I don't have any tendency to start standing up. As for the partial reps on some things, I do agree I see it too. I confess that with DC Training, especially doing it clean (been off for 8 months now), it's very hard to keep using more weight and do more reps every single workout, especially since I've already been training for over 20 years.
Now, as for no chest, come on now!
That's good, but it's obviously gotten you the physique ou got now and your not a powerlifter so it's really not too important. Could you have built a better physique doing the exercises with better form? I'm not sure, I guess it's worth given it a go to see. The only reason I responded to the video is because they seem to be wanting to demonstrate strength and the technique in the video would totally negate that. The physique is good though, no doubt. I had no idea 1 element of DC training program was to constantly increase poundage or reps. NO WAY IT'S POSSIBLE and YES the physique CAN continue to progress without increasing poundages....If that is truely a element than it's one that could completely ruin credibility from the program. If it's not then forget the comment.
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Yeah Ron, I feel the same way, and I see the same kinds of comments on youtube on the clips I post. Most people could only wish to live a life as fulfilled as mine, and even though I may not have all the superficial luxuries people strive for, I can guarantee I am happier than lots of millionaires and billionaires. It doesn't matter what I have or don't have since I've found inner peace and self acceptance. Everyone should be so lucky, but it's safe to say that most are not. Somebody who went to my university and was my age died of pancreatic cancer eight days after being diagnosed terminal after going to the hospital because he had symptoms of a stomach flu. That was two years ago and he was only 22, but it left me thinking about it for a year. What is life if you are not happy or healthy? Nothing. All the other details are just that - details. I want to have your build while you want to strive for bigger. When it comes down to it, be pleased with the skin you're in, because no matter what you look like you can always dwell on your flaws. Trolls have always been around on the internet and always will be. They don't bother me much anymore.
Matt your a good dude but for someone who claims to have such a great life, you do feel the need to tell people how great you are and how great your life is in every other post. Maybe your trying to overcompensate for something? It makes you look a little insecure, to someone able to pick up on such things of course. Did you get picked on at school and it made you depressed? Is that the reason you started bodybuilding? Im not taking the piss btw its just something ive noticed.
Dr Yorkshire Terrier.
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Pazuzu/Ron Harris,
Just a quick question regarding the barbell rows...
Why do you do them so upright? Surely rowing in an upright position means the lats can't physically take much of the weight (consider the vectors), meaning you have to consciously flex the lats to achieve a contraction... if you're only flexing your lats why do you need to use 315 lbs? Especially seeing as Ronnie and Dorian both use approx 405 lbs at about 45 degrees (which would be 315 lbs at 90 degrees).
I do my rows at 90 degrees, and even 225 lbs is a massive weight (more than Ahnuld used)... only 135 lbs will build impressive lats if you row to the lower stomach/pubic bone.
This video in particular seems like ego lifting (no offence).
The Luke
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There are some reasonable points there, but there is more to it than that. It's that people attack me and THEN I will tell them about my achievements or my life. The most recent example was when TorontoRaptorsFan who can't even spell and has a lowly commerce degree attacked my intelligence. Then I WILL come back and explain point-by-point how wrong that is. Also, I never said how great I was, but how great my life was in terms of how happy and fulfilled I am, and the point I was trying to make is that it doesn't matter what you have, but your perception of what you have that makes your life great. I would rather be working for minimum wage and be happy than be a millionaire and be unhappy. That was my point. This is something that everyone will learn once they acquire enough wisdom to see it. Happiness, no matter how you get it, means more than anything else in your life (along with health of course).
As for why I started bodybuilding - I most definitely started bodybuilding for what some would consider to be the wrong reasons. I knew I would get chicks if I got big muscles, despite all of them denying it. Guess what? I was right. I honestly don't think I have changed at all as a person since before I started working out. I am the same guy now as I was when I was 18. It wasn't MY problem that the world treats more muscular men differently (and better).
Going on with this example - if a woman is 400 pounds and she is happy and smart and nice and confident, she is unlikely to ever find love. She can keep EXACTLY those qualities and lose 270 pounds and guess what? With NOTHING else having changed, she will get more dates. So who has the problem? The woman, or the rest of the world who is too shallow to see her for who she is because of what she looked like? I am still ultimately the same 135 pound geek I was when I started. I haven't honestly changed much as a person, but have changed drastically from a physical point of view. When I was 18 I literally had not kissed a girl - now getting dates is no problem. So even if I did start working out for the wrong reasons, I am not regretting anything because I got the result I wanted. Can you really hold it against me yorkshire terrier?
No mate i cant hold that against you, i guess ive got an inquisitive mind and i always try and figure people out by there posts, the people behind the text, just the wierd way this dog's mind works, i dont get it right every time though ;D
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;D
I love to train for my own personal goals, but I'm not going to deny it, I love the fact that girls are attracted to physically fit men. Is that unusual? ??? I honestly think that literally everything I do is motivated in some way that involves women. Freud actually said that everything we as humans do is essentially motivated by survival and reproduction instincts.
aye your probly right evryones got there own reasons for starting training, i cant pinpoint it with myself but i reckon its because when i was younger i was pretty tough, fighting a lot til my early 20's then i started partying all the time and i lost a LOT of weight, that much that people were commenting on how much weight id lost, i got really paranoid about it, and probably is why im trying to overcompensate now to be bigger than everyone else, the only reason i was thin in the first place is from the things i was doing though, my natural bodyweight for me is 13 stone at 5"10 so im not a small person anyway but i just feel like i need to be bigger all the time ???
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I think judging by his lifts they are decent. Definitely stronger than most internet message board types. The form on some of the lifts was a tad bit sketchy but I am yet to see anyone in the gym demonstrate perfect form 100% of the time. Just look at the vids of many IFBB pros. Do they have great form during all of their lifts? The thing I respect about Ron is that he isn't just some armchair quarterback. He writes about bodybuilding and he also participates. You have to give him props for his dedication.
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no clicky
This video has been removed by the user. >:(
I just wanted to see what all the fuss was about.
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those "contests" must have been weak as hell because his body is nothing, 15 inch arms, no chest or back, soft as butter but his legs are pretty good.
i compete with him, some of the best pros out there came from this show...the HW class had 13 people last time, few are in nationals now. Please stfu 14 year old cuntkabob
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Nice to see a few men with class discussing personal things...
It's funny how all the trash talkers can't back shit up...
8)
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My arms don't 'look' 18 inches because they are, and always have been, weak in comparison to my shoulders and chest.
This whole strength thing is silly. I have seen many, many guys that are incredibly strong for their size, though you would never guess it by looking at them. There are only a few bodybuilders that are as strong or stronger than you would guess by looking at them, like Ronnie and Johnnie Jackson. Strength and size are not always so closely related. We have all seen those 130-pound Olympic lifters from Turkey and Bulgaria that can grab 400 pounds off the ground and jerk it overhead. How many 250-pound bodybuilders can do that? My guess would be none.
My lifts are nothing special and I never claimed they were. The only reason I started posting on YouTube was because it was an easy and free way to have links to video clips that I could use on my blog, The Daily Pump.
ron dont bother man, i know what you look like and your a class act and a great BB'er
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i got into this same discussion with a guy i used to work with about Tampa Bay's running back Mike Alstott who used to claim he was 265 pounds and looked 215-220 i told him that even if he got on a scale in front of me and weighed 265 he doesn't LOOK 265.
Oh boy... Here comes more bullshit ::)
Dude, WE ALL KNOW YOU ARE 14 YEARS OLD!! and that you have no friends, that you emulate roided up lifters because, frankly, you are the exact opposite of that. Your gimmick is played out...why do you even try to keep up the charade anymore??
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Is he really 14? Shit, I have a daughter that will be 13 in April! I busted her saying she was 16 on her MySpace page. Funny how we all want to be older until we are about 30 or so, and then you do NOT want to get any older.
I can do barbell rows with up to 275 at a 45-degree angle. Heavier than that and it all goes to shit. I tend to get into ego lifting with bb rows because I have this idea that anything less than 315 is light. That's why I am abandoning the exercise and doing db rows from now on. I also deleted the clips of that and the rack deads on YouTube - they are embarrassing! I didn't know you could delete videos until today.
Thanks for the props, 2Large4U/Mike.
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Couple pics from when I was juicing - my arms used to be 19 pumped, but I don't really think it counts.
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I can do barbell rows with up to 275 at a 45-degree angle. Heavier than that and it all goes to shit. I tend to get into ego lifting with bb rows because I have this idea that anything less than 315 is light. That's why I am abandoning the exercise and doing db rows from now on. I also deleted the clips of that and the rack deads on YouTube - they are embarrassing! I didn't know you could delete videos until today.
Gotta respect that answer, more honest than I expected.
I'm thinking I might post a few of my own lifts... everyone seems to be very encouraging (Squadholes excluded), and my own training is strange enough to warrant people's interest (twice a week, 30 min workouts, one set per exercise HIT stuff). I think everyone should be doing 90 degree pull to lower stomach rows... they're brilliant! I do 100 lb rows, and no offence Ron, my back is thicker than yours.
My brother reckons I should diet down (from 25% bf) and record one workout per month making a Bob Chick type series (I have some experience in film-making), entering the Irish Narural Championships (a life-long dream) at the end of the series... something like "Blobbybuilder! The Luke Molloy Story"
The Luke
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Is he really 14?
I'm afraid so. For some reason known only to himself, the suicidal teenager still continues to post with a continuation of the Sarcasm gimmick, even though we all know the truth about him.
BTW, lookin' good man!
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Luke, I am sure your back is thicker than mine, but I still wanted to post up better pics. That lat spread was a bit blurry.
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That's a great back Ron, my thickness is mostly due to my proportions.
I'm only 5'4'' tall but proportioned more like a taller person, I have hyperextendable knees that allow me to tip my toes without even stretching and as a result I can do bent over rows at 90 degrees with an arched back without stretching my hamstrings... end result: thick, chunky lats and ridges of erector spinae muscles.
I can even do my deadlifts after doing squats without fatiguing my back... it's a great benefit to have lower back as your strongest bodypart.
I'd recommend you try the fully bent over row. Pulling to the lower stomach (instead of the chest) makes all the difference. If you are performing all the exercises properly then the ratios of your weights should be something along the following lines:
Bench 100 lbs (for example)
Row 80 lbs
Squat 150 lbs
Deadlift 200 lbs
...if you're much off these ratios you have lagging bodyparts.
Again, great pics Ron,
The Luke
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Ron,
Good videos. Glad to see you hitting it hard.
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I don't think you can necessarily say that you should have certain lifts in ratios to others - it's a lot more complicated than that. Certain exercises I am just way stronger than 99% of bodybuilders on, others I am not, and it doesn't always even have anything to do with the development of the muscles, either. For instance, I know a lot of guys that can bench press far more weight than I can, but my chest happens to be a lot thicker.
Trop, thanks, your clips on Mayhem lately have been kicking ass!
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Wassup, Ron.
You look sharp. You walk the line like I said...most writers for BB publications DO NOT. You're in the trenches day in and day out and live this shit like the rest of us. You see Texas Chainsaw/The Beginning? It sucked. See...'The Descent'. You like horror.
How's the story of 'I was a Teenage Ebony Mountain of Muscle' comming along? If you publish it...I want 10% royalty. ;)
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Ron,
Looking awesome my man!
*thumbs up*
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I don't think you can necessarily say that you should have certain lifts in ratios to others - it's a lot more complicated than that. Certain exercises I am just way stronger than 99% of bodybuilders on, others I am not, and it doesn't always even have anything to do with the development of the muscles, either. For instance, I know a lot of guys that can bench press far more weight than I can, but my chest happens to be a lot thicker.
Trop, thanks, your clips on Mayhem lately have been kicking ass!
What exercises do you consider yourself to be stronger than 99% of other bodybuilders?
Chris
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Has anyone ever noticed or has this ever happened to anyone? You ever LOOSE strength in certain exercises but GAIN strength in certain ones?
For example...a year ago I had a hard time with dumbbell pullovers using a 125lb dumbbell...lucky to get 8-10. Now I can do that for 12-15. Now I have a hard time barbell rowing more than 315 when I used to be able to use 345 or so. Weird, huh?
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Has anyone ever noticed or has this ever happened to anyone? You ever LOOSE strength in certain exercises but GAIN strength in certain ones?
For example...a year ago I had a hard time with dumbbell pullovers using a 125lb dumbbell...lucky to get 8-10. Now I can do that for 12-15. Now I have a hard time barbell rowing more than 315 when I used to be able to use 345 or so. Weird, huh?
That COULD be attributed (but not necssarily so) to neural acclimation to the movement. In other words, did you take a prolonged time off of the bent-over rows?
Chris
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I was thinking that...I think I have actually. Another example...
On legs...I now leg press more than ever. By at least 4 extra plates a side now for reps. Hacks to...on the Flex Equipment hack squat machine...I can now rep with 6 plates a side...up from 5 and two 10's from last yr. Last yr though...with leg extensions I used to be able to get 285-300lbs for 10-12. Now I'm lucky to get 255 for that much.
I think because I spent time not going over 180lbs on the leg extension and focusing more on higher reps and more squeeze over the summer.
Dumbbell flys...I can now get the 105's for 8-10. Last yr I wouldnt go over 90's for the same...100's were a bitch for me. I'm almost ready to attempt the 110's....probably won't though because that's crazy and looking for an injury. I'd rather keep them at 90lbs for the 12 rep range. On DB presses...last yr I was able to get the 145's for 6-8...now I can just get the 130's for that. Interesting, huh?
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Matt - even I can't look like that without drugs. Not that I was a mass monster at all, but that really full veiny look is something you get only with AAS.
I am only very strong on a handful of exercises. Seated DB presses I have done 140's for 8 reps. Even now, clean, I can get 120's for 8-10 with no spotter's hands near me. I haven't done bb military presses for a long time, but I am thinking about trying them out tomorrow. Troponin's latest video using 225 got me all fired up.
Hacks - depends on the machine. Right now I am getting 10-12 reps with over 6 plates a side on the Icarian. Back in CA when I used the Flex model, I would handle 7 or 8 plates for sets of 8-10, and yes, all the way down. That's the only way I know how to do hacks, as my YouTube clips show.
Leg extensions - Pretty much any machine I ever found I could do the stack for 15-25 reps. I remember the very first leg exercise I ever did - the Nautilus leg extension machine in fall of 1987. I had never done a squat or leg press yet. Anyway, I went from using half the stack for about 10 reps to getting the full stack for 20 reps within three months. Legs have always been my thing.
Pretty much everything else, decent weights but nothing to write home about.
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As for exercises you lose strength on - I think squats and deads would fall into that category for most people. There is so much technique and balance involved that if you stop doing either for a while, your body 'forgets' how to do them right and you have to re-learn.
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Guys,
The proof is in the pudding and he looks ten times better than any of you. We all know training is 0% of the equation.
Special "Jello Puddin' Pops" Ed
"Training is 0% of the equation"...fucking moron. ::)
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Rons quads aren't just alright for a state level guy, they are insane...Pictures don't do him justice...and the guy comes in ripped to the bone come contest time....
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I was thinking that...I think I have actually. Another example...
On legs...I now leg press more than ever. By at least 4 extra plates a side now for reps. Hacks to...on the Flex Equipment hack squat machine...I can now rep with 6 plates a side...up from 5 and two 10's from last yr. Last yr though...with leg extensions I used to be able to get 285-300lbs for 10-12. Now I'm lucky to get 255 for that much.
I think because I spent time not going over 180lbs on the leg extension and focusing more on higher reps and more squeeze over the summer.
Dumbbell flys...I can now get the 105's for 8-10. Last yr I wouldnt go over 90's for the same...100's were a bitch for me. I'm almost ready to attempt the 110's....probably won't though because that's crazy and looking for an injury. I'd rather keep them at 90lbs for the 12 rep range. On DB presses...last yr I was able to get the 145's for 6-8...now I can just get the 130's for that. Interesting, huh?
I assume you are doing the leg extensions after the other movements? If so, then perhaps it is related to the fact that the specific muscles of the quads targeted with the leg extension are getting a more exhaustive workout from the heavier loads with the leg presses and or hacks. In other words, whatever has allowed for the heavier loads (better neural acclimation, increased force production capability in certain muscles etc.) on the compounds also causes the muscles targeted in the extensions to be worked to a greater degree than before thus causing them to be in a greater state of exhaustion when you get to them.
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It is ludicrous to say that training is 0% of the equation. That would mean you don't have to train at all! Even the guys with the worst form, and that don't use extremely heavy weights, do train regularly. The thing is, with excellent genetics and drugs combined, pretty much any type of consistent weight training will produce a very good physique. When you have great genetics, great drugs, and great training, you get an incredible physique.
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Here's an interesting before and after. Pic in the purple trunks was from July of 1995. I had been lifetime natural and would still be for about 18 months more. Weight on stage was about 183.
Second pic is from September of 2004. Weight was 204.
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ron,
are you being advised by Dante or are you doing your own DC stuff?
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Matt - even I can't look like that without drugs. Not that I was a mass monster at all, but that really full veiny look is something you get only with AAS.
I am only very strong on a handful of exercises. Seated DB presses I have done 140's for 8 reps. Even now, clean, I can get 120's for 8-10 with no spotter's hands near me. I haven't done bb military presses for a long time, but I am thinking about trying them out tomorrow. Troponin's latest video using 225 got me all fired up.
Hacks - depends on the machine. Right now I am getting 10-12 reps with over 6 plates a side on the Icarian. Back in CA when I used the Flex model, I would handle 7 or 8 plates for sets of 8-10, and yes, all the way down. That's the only way I know how to do hacks, as my YouTube clips show.
Leg extensions - Pretty much any machine I ever found I could do the stack for 15-25 reps. I remember the very first leg exercise I ever did - the Nautilus leg extension machine in fall of 1987. I had never done a squat or leg press yet. Anyway, I went from using half the stack for about 10 reps to getting the full stack for 20 reps within three months. Legs have always been my thing.
Pretty much everything else, decent weights but nothing to write home about.
hahahahahaha, this is the biggest bullshit post i've ever read.
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Everybody seems to be obseased with the size or your arms. I've seen guys 5'9" with 17" guns that look bigger than the 6'2" dude with 20's. It's all how the whole package is presented, as we all know bodybuilding is the great illusion. Keep it all as tight and lean as it gets and even a solid 16''er on a short dude looks better than someone who all they do are upperbody and mostly bis. Looks silly, even if they are over 20 if the rest doesn't match up.
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Al, Dante does advise me, though recently I've sort of been doing it on my own. I only contact him now to look over changes I am thinking about making.
Squadfather - hahahahahaha - aren't you going to get in trouble for staying home from middle school today? hahahahahahahahah
Tell us all how you bench press 2,000 pounds for 20 reps and squat 3,000 pounds for 50, and you're 400 pounds with 2% bodyfat and 34-inch arms. Oh yeah, and you've had sex with 20,000 hot chicks, too. I love the Internet - anybody can imagine to be anybody or anything they want.
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Al, Dante does advise me, though recently I've sort of been doing it on my own. I only contact him now to look over changes I am thinking about making.
Squadfather - hahahahahaha - aren't you going to get in trouble for staying home from middle school today? hahahahahahahahah
Tell us all how you bench press 2,000 pounds for 20 reps and squat 3,000 pounds for 50, and you're 400 pounds with 2% bodyfat and 34-inch arms. Oh yeah, and you've had sex with 20,000 hot chicks, too. I love the Internet - anybody can imagine to be anybody or anything they want.
hahahaha, that's all great Ron but i'm not the one making crazy claims like 19 inch arms and 140lb. db shoulder presses for reps.
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Pazuzu,
Check out the Squad bitches getting owned into oblivion over on my: "Time for the Gimmicks to panic" thread.
The Luke
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Pazuzu,
Check out the Squad bitches getting owned into oblivion over on my: "Time for the Gimmicks to panic" thread.
The Luke
when do you plan on moving out of your mom's basement and getting a job?
i mean you are over 30 years old.
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When GetBig posts ip addresses and assholes like you stop hiding behind gimmick accounts...
Meltdown,
The Luke
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When GetBig posts ip addresses and assholes like you stop hiding behind gimmick accounts...
Meltdown,
The Luke
hahahahaha, you're so angry, only pussies who have been brutally owned care about someones IP address and identity, i personally could give a shit less who anyone on here is, you take this stuff way too seriously.
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"sarcasm" account deleted....
Bogus "The Luke" account on MD forums hacked and reclaimed...
The Luke: 2 ; Gimmicks: nil
The Luke
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hahahahahaha, this is the biggest bullshit post i've ever read.
You mean toehr than any of your posts claiming to be anything but a suicidal 14 year old?
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i personally could give a shit less who anyone on here is, you take this stuff way too seriously.
coming from a guy/boy that lives on this board in attempt to "own" people he could not step to in real life...
8)
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When GetBig posts ip addresses and assholes like you stop hiding behind gimmick accounts...
Meltdown,
The Luke
if i post my ip address, do you promise to move out of your parents house and get a job?
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coming from a guy/boy that lives on this board in attempt to "own" people he could not step to in real life...
8)
hahahaha, ok "overload". ::)
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Ron--post on here some more..We definitely need to up the intelligence factor around her...when the lopez stops there is a lot of good commentary that comes from this board...
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It's fine if you want to be anonymous, but I give my real name, post real photos and video clips.
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most of these guys have a bad case of small dickitis...makes them want to drag everyone down to their level...they go away....eventually.
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hahahaha, that's all great Ron but i'm not the one making crazy claims like 19 inch arms and 140lb. db shoulder presses for reps.
yeah, that's just plain nutty. i mean it's not like there are any naturals out there who have 18-19" arms and can shoulder press the 100s or 110s for a few. certainly someone with above average genetics who's done some cycles in the past would NEVER be capable of the numbers he claims. ::)
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Is 140 db presses supposed to be some outrageous thing?Why couldnt Ron do that?We have ten guys in our gym who can easily do that.
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unless your gym is Westside , Iron Island or another well known powerlifting gym, I do not believe you have ten guys that could "EASILY" (means 12 reps at least) seated shoulder press 140's the right way.
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Okay, how's this? I haven't done seated bb presses in about 6 months, and wanted to see how I did on them today.
Got 225 for 12, no spotter in the area.
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Okay, how's this? I haven't done seated bb presses in about 6 months, and wanted to see how I did on them today.
Got 225 for 12, no spotter in the area.
You did not bring the bar all the way down. Cheating.
How does your wife smell?
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Okay, how's this? I haven't done seated bb presses in about 6 months, and wanted to see how I did on them today.
Got 225 for 12, no spotter in the area.
looked fine to me...90 at he elbow...any lower is rotator stress. Ron i dont know how you stay so open and level headed man. Props big time for that.
You clowns are bashing someone who truly loves the sport and gives back wtf...jackholes
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Ron.
no offense, but I am surprised to learn that your physique has had some "assistance".
your dosages/cycles are probably conservative (I hope)
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Okay, how's this? I haven't done seated bb presses in about 6 months, and wanted to see how I did on them today.
Got 225 for 12, no spotter in the area.
That's strong, Ron, but being that your leaning back a bit you can clearly get it down to your chin or just above the upper chest. Can you take video next pressing workout going all the way down and up? I'm just curious to see the difference. Good, none the less.
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Ron.
no offense, but I am surprised to learn that your physique has had some "assistance".
your dosages/cycles are probably conservative (I hope)
You use a lot more.
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See, you can't win. If I had gone all the way down and put my rotators at risk, someone would just come on and say "HAHAHHAHAHAH - I do 405 for 20 reps, you weakling!" What the f ever.
And Dearth, I DID use steroids on and off for several years. I finished up my final cycle, a very moderate one, in February of this year and have been clean since. Sorry if I let you down - I could very well have just denied ever using like a lot of guys do.
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See, you can't win. If I had gone all the way down and put my rotators at risk, someone would just come on and say "HAHAHHAHAHAH - I do 405 for 20 reps, you weakling!" What the f ever.
And Dearth, I DID use steroids on and off for several years. I finished up my final cycle, a very moderate one, in February of this year and have been clean since. Sorry if I let you down - I could very well have just denied ever using like a lot of guys do.
Why have you stopped steroids alltogether? Health problems?
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yeah, that's just plain nutty. i mean it's not like there are any naturals out there who have 18-19" arms and can shoulder press the 100s or 110s for a few. certainly someone with above average genetics who's done some cycles in the past would NEVER be capable of the numbers he claims. ::)
Good point, Magoo. The 14 year old does not realize that, on a regular basis, he proves that he is not some roided up "big guy" as he used to claim he was...just because he still has not broken the 120 pound mark doesn't mean no one else can...
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See, you can't win. If I had gone all the way down and put my rotators at risk, someone would just come on and say "HAHAHHAHAHAH - I do 405 for 20 reps, you weakling!" What the f ever.
Ron, you asked for an honest evaluation. The strength shown is good, but the lift was not done correctly. Also, c'mon with the rotator talk...it's nonsense....the humorous does not rotate too much in that lift. The press does cause impingment at the ac joint though. Unlike the bench press there is no subluxation of the humerous when you go past 90 degrees. Anyone that will tell you that that is a legit lift is wrong. That does not mean the lift is not benificial to your musculature.
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I stopped taking steroids for a few reasons. I don't have any health problems, but I see a lot of guys that do, and I have two young kids. I would really like to see them grow up and have kids of their own. My own dad died when I was 16 and it sucked. Also, I couldn't justify using them anymore. I have no desire to be a pro or even a top national guy, so what was the point? Just to be a little bigger and stronger for my own amusement and ego? It was costing money, too, money that could have been used better for the house, the kids, etc.
If you have been training heavy for over 20 years as I have, you would know about all the nagging little aches and pains you accumulate in the shoulders, lower back, elbows, and knees. Going into a deep stretch position might be what you consider the right way to do a lift, but it's not as perfectly safe as you think it is. You are entitled to your opinion and can say I don't do the lift right because I don't lower all the way down. That's fine. I have gotten a sense of what's safe for me to do and what isn't with a heavy weight, and I have no interest in getting hurt again. Been there, done that, many times.
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If you have been training heavy for over 20 years as I have, you would know about all the nagging little aches and pains you accumulate in the shoulders, lower back, elbows, and knees. Going into a deep stretch position might be what you consider the right way to do a lift, but it's not as perfectly safe as you think it is. You are entitled to your opinion and can say I don't do the lift right because I don't lower all the way down. That's fine. I have gotten a sense of what's safe for me to do and what isn't with a heavy weight, and I have no interest in getting hurt again. Been there, done that, many times.
Ron, ain't that the truth! I stopped doing low reps about a year ago, after a back injury and a hernia (over a 3 year period). I now stick to 15-20 rep sets. Doesn't sound like much, but if you use as heavy a weight as you can control, it still feels good. You just breath a whole lot deeper after the set, lol. Best part is I no longer have joint pains or sore tendons. I want to keep lifting until I'm old and gray and this works for me.
BTW, you look solid man! The Youtube clips were cool.
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Ron, I agree that you should do what you can get away with and be safe. Just to let you know my knowledge comes from 25 years training and 22 years competing...I won my first show at 14 years old, competed and won mens open shows as a teen, came off stuff and trained natural for the next 11 years when I won NABF pro qualifiers, then decvided to go back to NPC and won my first qualiyer there and was at 03 nats weigh in at 264 and pulled out because I wasn't my best, now I pro wrestle and train in jui jitsu and mma. So basically when it comes to injuries and making adjustments to train around them I don't think many able body trainers can possibly know it better than I do...as much, sure but more, no way. Anyway, the lifts are strong and I was just given my honest opinion. These pix age 16, 19, 30, 36.
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Can't believe you started to juice after looking like that natural. You could've been pretty awesome IMO.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=104323.0;attach=115141;image)
YIP
Zack
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Is 140 db presses supposed to be some outrageous thing?Why couldnt Ron do that?We have ten guys in our gym who can easily do that.
of course you do. ::)
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That's strong, Ron, but being that your leaning back a bit you can clearly get it down to your chin or just above the upper chest. Can you take video next pressing workout going all the way down and up? I'm just curious to see the difference. Good, none the less.
Ron would never do that, it would mean that he would have to swallow his pride and accept the fact that he doesn't have the development or strength to handle that weight for full reps, if he did them the right way he'd be using 185.
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You know when True Adonis is using the "Squadfather" account because he denies any evidence that someone is stronger than him.
Oh, sorry... my mistake... I forgot that Squadfather is very much a real person and weighs 230 lbs with 48'' arms.
Adam, get a life....
The Luke
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Legbreaker, very cool progress pics over the years and I thank you for sharing. Glad to see there are other guys out there crazy enough to be doing as long as I have or longer!
I started out competing in the ANBC (lifetime natural) and the ABCC, which I believe was 5 or 7 years clean. Not sure - I think almost all their shows were in CA and I haven't even heard of the organization in years - probably long gone. In 94 and 95 I started doing the NPC Ironman Naturally shows, which were one-year clean. I was getting second place over and over again to guys that had juiced - or, as I later found out from first-hand confession, were STILL juicing. I just said, f*ck it. I'll just use them for a year, build a ton of size, go off a year, and go back to the tested NPC shows and kick ass. But it didn't work out that way. I juiced on and off starting from the very end of 1996 (day after Thanksgiving I think), on and off all of 97, didn't use at all in 98 but started up again in Sept of 98 and was pretty consistently on and off from then on until Feb of this year. I would always take off at least as much time between cycles as I had been on, sometimes about 1.5 times. So if I was on stuff for 10 weeks, I would wait another 10-15 weeks before starting up again.
No health problems and luckily never got gyno or lost any hair - just got bacne, mood swings and a shorter temper when I was on, and depression when I was off. I was definitely psychologically addicted to the juice, though. When I was off, all I thought about was when I could go on again. When I was on, about halfway through the cycle I would start dreading the day it would end. Eventually I said to myself, this is just ridiculous and needs to end. I probably said that at least 5-6 times before I finally went off and stayed off.
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Ron, Just like you said, if your not gonna try to become professional what's the sense. Pro sports being the only exception. I think you made the right move and it will probably pay off at the team u in 07. I didn't want to offend you with my critique of the lifts, they are all very strong and if they work for ya at the range you fall into then who could argue.
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i always kind of wondered about Ron's poundage claims when i read his articles in the magazines and when i saw his clips i understand why, half reps on incline db presses, Smith machine shoulder presses to the nose, standing almost completely straight barbell rows, swinging db curls, deadlifts above the knees, etc. if you want to check them out he goes under RonHarrisMuscle on you tube, check them out it's hilarious.
Most clowns think the bench press is on a smith machine.
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"Ron Harris" sounds like a porn actor.
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Nothing wrong with running the odd course of gear or some HRT, Ron. Use, don't abuse.
Potential problem = Future heart problems.
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Potential problem = Future heart problems.
Interesting. But I don't imagine this is true in moderation. Same as how alcohol, dope, coke, or whatever else, can be used in moderation.
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Nothing wrong with running the odd course of gear or some HRT, Ron. Use, don't abuse.
Rationalization
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See, you can't win. If I had gone all the way down and put my rotators at risk, someone would just come on and say "HAHAHHAHAHAH - I do 405 for 20 reps, you weakling!" What the f ever.
And Dearth, I DID use steroids on and off for several years. I finished up my final cycle, a very moderate one, in February of this year and have been clean since. Sorry if I let you down - I could very well have just denied ever using like a lot of guys do.
Listen, Ron, I know a lot of guys here will agree with me when I say we need your insight, honesty, and positive attitude on here more often. Don't let the trolls (like the suicidal 14 year old "Squadfather") drive you away like they have others. Unlike them, you actually walk the walk.
BTW, I am too lazy to log back into my main account, but this is Mentis. How's the family been these days?
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I don't use drugs.
So why are you pushing them?...
Nothing wrong with running the odd course of gear or some HRT, Ron. Use, don't abuse.
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Ya the guy looks like shit.
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Everybody seems to be obseased with the size or your arms. I've seen guys 5'9" with 17" guns that look bigger than the 6'2" dude with 20's. It's all how the whole package is presented, as we all know bodybuilding is the great illusion. Keep it all as tight and lean as it gets and even a solid 16''er on a short dude looks better than someone who all they do are upperbody and mostly bis. Looks silly, even if they are over 20 if the rest doesn't match up.
that is correct sir, it's all an optical illusion...what.s the deal with all the measurements and weights?...ron..you are doing a great job...congrats....been reading you since way back... :)
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Okay, how's this? I haven't done seated bb presses in about 6 months, and wanted to see how I did on them today.
Got 225 for 12, no spotter in the area.
Fake plates, ALL DRUGS!!! , HAHAHAHA BRUTAL STRENGTH ::) , I can do that with 315 easily,ect ect..
;) jk
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Because I want to be clear and state that there are no dangers with using any drug in moderation. The conservative type might want to deny this, but that doesn't make it untrue.
What AAS dosages are moderation usage?
YIP
Zack
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Because I want to be clear and state that there are no dangers with using any drug in moderation. The conservative type might want to deny this, but that doesn't make it untrue.
ghb
rohipnol
dnp
heroin
crack
how do you define moderation that is the question
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Actually, a lot of the YouTube comments have forced me to really reconsider my form. With the barbell rows, for example, I realize that the form SUCKS and I am going back to dumbbell rows, where I don't have any tendency to start standing up. As for the partial reps on some things, I do agree I see it too. I confess that with DC Training, especially doing it clean (been off for 8 months now), it's very hard to keep using more weight and do more reps every single workout, especially since I've already been training for over 20 years.
Now, as for no chest, come on now!
I dont get this. If anyone told me someone had this profile
Training for 20 years
Competed numerous times
Pumps gear
Ron Harris doesnt train properly nor does it sounds like he's going anywhere "its very Hard" "especially since I've been training for 20 years" sounds like a sob story. This game is so easy, thats why women do so well, they dont have ego's and they're realistic
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Farkenil, how long have you been training? When you've only been at it for a couple years, it seems like you will be making fast progress forever. But look at a very simple math scenario. Say that in your first five years of training, you manage to gain 15 pounds of muscle every year and add 50 pounds to your bench. Let's assume a starting bodyweight of 150 and a bench press of 100 pounds to make it simple.
Year 1: 165 - BP 150
Year 2: 180 - BP 200
Year 3: 195 - BP 250
Year 4: 210 - BP 300
Year 5: 225 - BP 350
Those are great gains in 5 years. But if you assume you can keep gaining at that rate, here's how the next 10 years would look:
Year 6: 240 - BP 400
Year 7: 255 - BP 450
Year 8: 270 - BP 500
Year 9: 285 - BP 550
Year 10: 300 - BP 600
Year 11: 315 - BP 650
Year 12: 330 - BP 700
Year 13: 345 - BP 750
Year 14: 360 - BP 800
Year 15: 385 - BP 850
Year 20: 460 - BP 1,100
But guess what? It doesn't work that way. I am putting this in caps because you need to realize how true this is - THE LONGER YOU HAVE BEEN TRAINING, THE HARDER IT BECOMES TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL SIZE AND STRENGTH. Otherwise, why don't we have tens of thousands of guys over 400 pounds lean that can bench press over 1,000 pounds? There are at least that many guys that have been training hard for 20 years or more, and many have used AAS,
Jimmy, the family is great, thanks for asking.
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Farkenil, how long have you been training? When you've only been at it for a couple years, it seems like you will be making fast progress forever. But look at a very simple math scenario. Say that in your first five years of training, you manage to gain 15 pounds of muscle every year and add 50 pounds to your bench. Let's assume a starting bodyweight of 150 and a bench press of 100 pounds to make it simple.
Year 1: 165 - BP 150
Year 2: 180 - BP 200
Year 3: 195 - BP 250
Year 4: 210 - BP 300
Year 5: 225 - BP 350
Those are great gains in 5 years. But if you assume you can keep gaining at that rate, here's how the next 10 years would look:
Year 6: 240 - BP 400
Year 7: 255 - BP 450
Year 8: 270 - BP 500
Year 9: 285 - BP 550
Year 10: 300 - BP 600
Year 11: 315 - BP 650
Year 12: 330 - BP 700
Year 13: 345 - BP 750
Year 14: 360 - BP 800
Year 15: 385 - BP 850
Year 20: 460 - BP 1,100
But guess what? It doesn't work that way. I am putting this in caps because you need to realize how true this is - THE LONGER YOU HAVE BEEN TRAINING, THE HARDER IT BECOMES TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL SIZE AND STRENGTH. Otherwise, why don't we have tens of thousands of guys over 400 pounds lean that can bench press over 1,000 pounds? There are at least that many guys that have been training hard for 20 years or more, and many have used AAS,
Jimmy, the family is great, thanks for asking.
THE LONGER YOU HAVE BEEN TRAINING, THE HARDER IT BECOMES TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL SIZE AND STRENGTH
GOD DAMN!! Do you really treat everyone as though they know jack shit Ron!! I really needed you to write the above in CRAYON for me.
Simple math scenario huh, well, your barbell row form is a great example of of simple mathematics, can you comprehend this?
BAD FORM + TOO MUCH WEIGHT = NO MUSCLE STIMULATION
however, after twenty you seem to not understand the simplicity of this calculation.
I've been lifting for 3 years and have naturally progressed from a weight of 65kg to 103kg and I perfom all my lifts to stimulate my muscle fibers, not my ego. What Im trying to say is I'd expect more from someone that had been training for 20 years.
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Just as I thought - only 3 years of training. I have done plenty of sets with perfect form over the years, trust me on that.
Talk to me again in 10 years. Right now you have very little experience to base any conclusions on.
If bad form and heavy weight indeed equals no muscle stimulation, how do you explain the gigantic size of the pro's that sling weights around like Ronnie and Jay? Even if you want to say it's all genetics and drugs, they still have to be stimulating the muscles in some way for them to respond.
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Studies with around 600mg of test E show no health hazards. That sounds like enough for a simple bulking cycle to me. Not sure what Ron was on, but he was big so he could have been on a fair bit more.
Don't kid yourself, lots of drugs can be used in moderation. Yep, you can even do lines of blow, hits of E, etc, in moderation. Conservatives might not agree with this, but it's not open to debate because it is scientific fact, not opinion.
sultanofdoom - for some drugs, "moderation" means not doing them at all.
AAS usage coupled with strength training increases the size of the heart more than strength training alone will.
YIP
Zack
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To clarify why I made a point of noting that you have only been training for 3 years, it's because you are still in the 'honeymoon' phase, as in a marriage. A lot of marriages seem as if they will be a happy eternal union after 3 years, but 10-20 years later, half of them are divorced and at least another half are miserable with each other.
In the first few years of training, you seem to have found all the answers because everything works for you at that stage. Years later, that won't be the case. Perfect form got me to a certain point, and then this year I decided to try loosening my form up here and there to see if it made a difference - and it did. Don't judge me by that one shitty set of barbell rows. Why not look at the Hammer row I did with 5 plates? You will see far better form and contraction of the lats there.
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Just as I thought - only 3 years of training. I have done plenty of sets with perfect form over the years, trust me on that.
Talk to me again in 10 years. Right now you have very little experience to base any conclusions on.
If bad form and heavy weight indeed equals no muscle stimulation, how do you explain the gigantic size of the pro's that sling weights around like Ronnie and Jay? Even if you want to say it's all genetics and drugs, they still have to be stimulating the muscles in some way for them to respond.
So you do half reps with too much weight for the camera and use correct form and sufficient weight when you're not in front of the camera, is that what you're trying to say.
Haha, my conclusion is you have nothing much to show after 20 years. After 20 years you can even row properly. Actually, its worse, you know you row improperly and still do it.
You cannot deem me inexperienced, you dont even know me.
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Honeymoon phase?
I work offshore in the oil and gas industry. I sacrificed 6 months of training to get to where I wanted within the industry, which happens to be an installation that incorporates a gym.
When I first started working offshore, I worked 84 twelve hours days STRAIGHT out at sea, thats nearly 3 months without one day off, with no women, no alcohol, no GYM. And we work fucken hard! When we crew changed all 11 of us flew home, and arrived about lunch time.. the first thing I did was I went home, cooked up a meal, and when to the gym... whilst all the others when drinking the pubs dry.
So 2 hours after arriving home, I was in the gym. I've trained in the heat and humidity of the Timor Sea on an oil rig, doing lunges across the helideck in the rain.
So, dont try and tell me that I'll lose interest and wont be bodybuilding in 10 years
You dont know me. When it comes to you, its clear that you have discrepancies somewhere in your bodybuilding regime.
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3 Years is a joke...you make the easiest gains the first 5 years or so naturally...
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3 Years is a joke...you make the easiest gains the first 5 years or so naturally...
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Can you elaborate a bit more on how 3 years is a joke?
So, everyones first 3 years is a joke then? Yours must've been, Dorians mustve been. Seems as though you believe 3 years justifies nothing, is it so?
I can front squat over 3 plates for reps, I mustve gained nothing and know nothing after 3 years!!!!
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Can you elaborate a bit more on how 3 years is a joke?
So, everyones first 3 years is a joke then? Yours must've been, Dorians mustve been. Seems as though you believe 3 years justifies nothing, is it so?
I can front squat over 3 plates for reps, I mustve gained nothing and know nothing after 3 years!!!!
you are acting like you know everything after 3 years, i'm telling you that EVERYONE makes easy gains the first 3 years. you aren't special.
i'm not going to debate it, save your breath. i trained natural for 7 years and still learned something every workout.
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you are acting like you know everything after 3 years, i'm telling you that EVERYONE makes easy gains the first 3 years. you aren't special.
i'm not going to debate it, save your breath. i trained natural for 7 years and still learned something every workout.
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I dont think Im special, nor do I think I know everything. But yeah, I wont waste my breathe anymore
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All we are saying is that EVERYONE makes excellent gains the first few years if they train hard and eat a lot of food. Training is still new to the body and it's 'easier' to stimulate new gains. I didn't say you don't train hard or aren't dedicated. Clearly you do and you are.
As for not having much to show after 20 years, I started lifting weights weighing 90 pounds, and reached a natural high of 230 pounds about 8-9 years later. Granted, I had a lot more bodyfat at 230 then than I do now, as I have a lot more muscle. But more than doubling your bodyweight - I am proud of that.
I hope you do look like Dorian or Ronnie in their primes in 17 more years, if that's your goal. But if not, that doesn't mean you 'accomplished nothing.' Improving is what it's all about, and not everyone can look like those guys. In fact, very, very few can look like them. Otherwise we would see a LOT more of those 270-300 pound ripped physiques than we do.
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I work offshore in the oil and gas industry. I sacrificed 6 months of training to get to where I wanted within the industry, which happens to be an installion that incorporates a gym.
When I first started working offshore, I worked 84 twelve hours days STRAIGHT out at sea, thats nearly 3 months without one day off, with no women, no alcohol, no GYM.
So mate in otherwords you are saying here that you took it up the ass like a champ and was passed around like a cheap dimestore hussy among the crew for 3 months? Did the screen name come from 'Farkinghell! This newbie bloke is as tight as an oil drum!'
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To clarify why I made a point of noting that you have only been training for 3 years, it's because you are still in the 'honeymoon' phase, as in a marriage. A lot of marriages seem as if they will be a happy eternal union after 3 years, but 10-20 years later, half of them are divorced and at least another half are miserable with each other.
In the first few years of training, you seem to have found all the answers because everything works for you at that stage. Years later, that won't be the case. Perfect form got me to a certain point, and then this year I decided to try loosening my form up here and there to see if it made a difference - and it did. Don't judge me by that one shitty set of barbell rows. Why not look at the Hammer row I did with 5 plates? You will see far better form and contraction of the lats there.
hahahahahaha, any jackass can do 5 plates on the Hammer Row, that's about the equivalent of a 225lb. barbell row.
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hahahahahaha, any jackass can do 5 plates on the Hammer Row, that's about the equivalent of a 225lb. barbell row.
lol i do 5 plates strict when i go "light".
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are you serious matt c, you think there are no health dangers to 600mgs of test e. you have to be kidding, post the articles and the conclusions and i bet these morons arent in the drug industry anymore, we dont even know the long term effects yet you proclaim its fact ahah come on i thought you were suppose to be smart. heres one off the top of my head, you have an unknown congenital anyeurism and water retention increase from test e increases blood pressure exponetially thus killing you. test e raises blood pressure and thickens the blood, thus increasing the risk of cardiac events, not to mention potential immunosuppresant effects ala metastatsis of tumor cells ect. i think you have to reconsider your stance, nothing is fact in the drug world my friend, not many studies have been conducted, what are the long term effects, we simply dont know, synthetic hormones may have many. another health risk is hpta suppression, resulting in low test production which has many ramifications, androgenic effects are definite at 600mg a week.
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what definition of risk are you using. ive seen people have epileptic seizures from one tab of e, blanket statements like the one you made show ignorance, there is risk at any dose of a drug and possible health outcomes which will be negative in nature.
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what definition of risk are you using. ive seen people have epileptic seizures from one tab of e, blanket statements like the one you made show ignorance, there is risk at any dose of a drug and possible health outcomes which will be negative in nature.
you sound like a little bitch.
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hhaha, i just hate ignorant fucks that think they know everything and havent taken time to read shit. your mother had to write a note requesting people stop raging on your bitch ass. i guess intelligence is gay, haha more evidence your a little tit sucking fag, you live your life on the internet.
http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/picrender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez&blobtype=pdf&artid=164360
ok i have more articles dis proving your claim, show some proof of what you speak.
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hhaha, i just hate ignorant fucks that think they know everything and havent taken time to read shit. your mother had to write a note requesting people stop raging on your bitch ass. i guess intelligence is gay, haha more evidence your a little tit sucking fag, you live your life on the internet.
http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/picrender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez&blobtype=pdf&artid=164360
ok i have more articles dis proving your claim, show some proof of what you speak.
m.e.l.t.d.o.w.n
I bet your someone who does sexy training.
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this site is too fucking funny, davidpaul sounds like the type of guy that gives head for bus fare and walks home.
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this site is too fucking funny, davidpaul sounds like the type of guy that gives head for bus fare and walks home.
LOL!!!!
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All we are saying is that EVERYONE makes excellent gains the first few years if they train hard and eat a lot of food. Training is still new to the body and it's 'easier' to stimulate new gains. I didn't say you don't train hard or aren't dedicated. Clearly you do and you are.
As for not having much to show after 20 years, I started lifting weights weighing 90 pounds, and reached a natural high of 230 pounds about 8-9 years later. Granted, I had a lot more bodyfat at 230 then than I do now, as I have a lot more muscle. But more than doubling your bodyweight - I am proud of that.
I hope you do look like Dorian or Ronnie in their primes in 17 more years, if that's your goal. But if not, that doesn't mean you 'accomplished nothing.' Improving is what it's all about, and not everyone can look like those guys. In fact, very, very few can look like them. Otherwise we would see a LOT more of those 270-300 pound ripped physiques than we do.
Ok, well, if you know your form sucks, then why not change. Its only for the best.
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this site is too fucking funny, davidpaul sounds like the type of guy that gives head for bus fare and walks home.
this ni**a is represantin' you limey mutherfucker.
In the real world, I'm just a person with idea's, rollin' pimpin', playin', flexin'
if you check - 1 2 ,my word of advice is for you to relax.
WITH ME I DON'T PLAYA H8 I STAY AWAKE.
DP'S GOT THAT CRAZY SHIT BABY,WE KEEP IT COMPTON. 8)
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Word! Crippin and ballin like a mofo...youknowwhatImsayi n? It all aint nothin but a G thang, baby...all about makin that GTA!
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Word! Crippin and ballin like a mofo...youknowwhatImsayi n? It all aint nothin but a G thang, baby...all about makin that GTA!
That ni**a Jaiquan was lookin' for you, you know part of the 23rdGangstaCrips. Ni**a was jus' released last week dawg, we were kickin' in old skool.
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LOL!!!!
Fuck you and your mutherfuckin' moma. :-*
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hey farken, do you predict you will weigh 119 kilograms by the end of year 4 then, by staying just as "lean"?
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What the hell are you people talking about?? I can't make any sense of this thread!
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What the hell are you people talking about?? I can't make any sense of this thread!
ni**a please.
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That ni**a Jaiquan was lookin' for you, you know part of the 23rdGangstaCrips. Ni**a was jus' released last week dawg, we were kickin' in old skool.
My n***a Jaiqwon be out of lock? Oh, SNAP! That rite..he went got a dime for pluggin those koreans for be all up in his grills at that liquor sto'. I remember that shit to...he all be tryin to buy a couple 40's of St Ives and they be all talkin about his mama and n***a tripped and popped off a clip. He got a dime cuz they aint got no tape...just fingerprints on the glass on the floor.
Me and him used to KICK IT! I used to go shoot dice with that crazy foo' up over on Crenshaw at the park with that n***a Trigg.
Tell him I be crippin it up in the Chi and I aint gonna stop till I drop...shut em down and open up shop!
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My n***a Jaiqwon be out of lock? Oh, SNAP! That rite..he went got a dime for pluggin those koreans for be all up in his grills at that liquor sto'. I remember that shit to...he all be tryin to buy a couple 40's of St Ives and they be all talkin about his mama and n***a tripped and popped off a clip. He got a dime cuz they aint got no tape...just fingerprints on the glass on the floor.
Me and him used to KICK IT! I used to go shoot dice with that crazy foo' up over on Crenshaw at the park with that n***a Trigg.
Tell him I be crippin it up in the Chi and I aint gonna stop till I drop...shut em down and open up shop!
fo' sure homes.
hes been askin' about his favourite essai'.
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Sorry to interrupt the Ebonics battle -
I posted this on my blog The Daily Pump that goes out to a little less than 5,000 subscribers in their email, explaining various exercises I am dropping and which ones I will replace them with:
"Barbell row - I simply cannot maintain a 45-degree angle with my torso when I go heavy. Watching the video clip I had on YouTube (I finally deleted it once I figured out how) made me cringe. My form with 315 sucked! I am replacing those with one-arm dumbbell rows. It's much easier for me to maintain proper form and not cheat with these."
And I hope that was a joke about 5 plates on a Hammer row being light or a warm-up.
On page 99 of "A Warrior's Story - A Portrait of Dorian Yates" he lists his full back workout.
For one-arm Hammer rows, he has down 245 for 8-10 reps.
Assuming he is only counting the weight of plates, that would be five 45's and two 10's. I kinda doubt anyone here has a much stronger back than Dorian in his prime.
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Sorry to interrupt the Ebonics battle -
I posted this on my blog The Daily Pump that goes out to a little less than 5,000 subscribers in their email, explaining various exercises I am dropping and which ones I will replace them with:
"Barbell row - I simply cannot maintain a 45-degree angle with my torso when I go heavy. Watching the video clip I had on YouTube (I finally deleted it once I figured out how) made me cringe. My form with 315 sucked! I am replacing those with one-arm dumbbell rows. It's much easier for me to maintain proper form and not cheat with these."
And I hope that was a joke about 5 plates on a Hammer row being light or a warm-up.
On page 99 of "A Warrior's Story - A Portrait of Dorian Yates" he lists his full back workout.
For one-arm Hammer rows, he has down 245 for 8-10 reps.
Assuming he is only counting the weight of plates, that would be five 45's and two 10's. I kinda doubt anyone here has a much stronger back than Dorian in his prime.
Dorian wasn't that strong on back, on Blood and Guts he did a set of 5 on the partial deadlift with 455, a set of standing completely straight barbell rows with 405 which would equal 305 if he did them right and some pullovers and Hammer Pulldowns, nothing special at all.
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Dang, Ron...why u all gotta be gettin in our way? Our main dawg, Jaiqwon just got out of lock and you wanna talk about weights on a Hammer Machine? Snap! You must be rollin' w/ those slobs...youknowwhatImsay in?
5 plates a side on a Hammer Row for 8-10 is pretty strong if the user isn't jerking wildly and letting momentum do it but if it's controlled and pulled by the lats not arms.
How's that book comming, Ron? You sending me a free copy? What do you say about 10% 'royalties' on every copy sold?
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For a guy that wasn't very strong on back, he somehow managed to set a new standard in back development that stood for years until Ronnie came along in '98.
I watched Dorian train back once in 1992. He used 405 for bent rows and I agree, he didn't 'bend' much at all. But his back was incredibly thick.
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For a guy that wasn't very strong on back, he somehow managed to set a new standard in back development that stood for years until Ronnie came along in '98.
I watched Dorian train back once in 1992. He used 405 for bent rows and I agree, he didn't 'bend' much at all. But his back was incredibly thick.
did you comment on his massive 17 inch arms "pazuzu"?
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did you comment on his massive 17 inch arms "pazuzu"?
How's your mommy doing? How are you dealing with your parents' divorce? Better, I hope?
I hope you are not contemplating suicide anymore because of your parents' divorce, Mr. 14 year old who does curls with his vinyl barbell set... :P
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Hold on - are you actually suggesting Dorian's arms were 17 inches? Maybe a few weeks after he started training! They were not his best bodypart, but I would bet they were at least 20 inches.
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Couple pics -
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FIRST pic is morphed ron
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So we've determined that steroids in moderation cause side effects.
I am more concerned about a substance which is more subtle in its seldom mentioned side effects in that it is clear and odourless. But when ingested it has been known to cause perspiration and urination - in fact, painful urination for those with urinary tract disorders. If too much is ingested, it can cause bloatedness and vomiting. People who overdose become drowsy, lightheaded, and weak. They have trouble coordinating bodily movements and thinking straight, looking and feeling as if they were under the influence of alcohol. But they cannot just go home and sleep it off. They must get treatment or risk going into convulsions, a coma, or even death.
Oh yeah - I should point out that I'm talking about WATER.
So as you can see, anything can be made to sound dangerous if you want to be manipulative about it. My point is that steroids can be used in moderation for your entire life with no ill effects. You disagree? ok fine - show me the bodies.
I'll wait. :)
Well said! Great post.
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Great post Matt.
I don't think that rear lat spread shot of Dorian is morphed. I stood near him a few times while he was Mr. O and his back really was that wide. It looks that way because his insertions are crazy low - down to the waist. Only other guys I ever saw like that were Franco Columbu and Tony Pearson.
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Great post Matt.
I don't think that rear lat spread shot of Dorian is morphed. I stood near him a few times while he was Mr. O and his back really was that wide. It looks that way because his insertions are crazy low - down to the waist. Only other guys I ever saw like that were Franco Columbu and Tony Pearson.
it IS morphed, for one the right lat is a different size tothe left, and you can clearly see the image is distorted (it is a bad morph).
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The biggest side effect of steroid use is that overall (on average) steroid users have normal health; normal life expectancy; normal functional capacity into old age and realtively normal organ health.
Why is that a side effect?
Because a healthy-eating, weight-training natural bodybuilder has much better than average health; increased life expectancy; vastly increased functional capacity into old age (and further into old age) and exceptional organ health.
That, and premature balding, are the best reasons not to take steroids.
The Luke
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The biggest side effect of steroid use is that overall (on average) steroid users have normal health; normal life expectancy; normal functional capacity into old age and realtively normal organ health.
Why is that a side effect?
Because a healthy-eating, weight-training natural bodybuilder has much better than average health; increased life expectancy; vastly increased functional capacity into old age (and further into old age) and exceptional organ health.
That, and premature balding, are the best reasons not to take steroids.
The Luke
Yep. ;)
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you said
"Studies with around 600mg of test E show no health hazards" and state it as fact, any dose of a drug has health hazards
steriods used in moderation have many health risks as outlined by the article. i agree with you somewhat, moderate use done with proper percaution isnt all that bad but there are some health risks and like ive said we only know one long term effect, muscle growth. small cycles have been shown to increase heart hypertrophy which can have morbid outcomes. but anyway my argument was that you said it has NO health hazards which is utterly false. water has some side effects, but are revesible(hypoatremia, being one of the more lethal) but drugs use ALWAYS carries negative side, hpta downregulation, blood pressure, clotting factors etc. you comparing a life sustaining medium to steriods is a little far fetched. however, i do agree that moderate use can have minimal impact on health, so no point in arguing that, it has health risks, not none like you said.
yes davidpaul is a quality controller at the sperm bank, he checks to see if the sperm taste sour, and doubles at night as the poll at the local firehouse.
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I don't think that rear lat spread shot of Dorian is morphed. I stood near him a few times while he was Mr. O and his back really was that wide. It looks that way because his insertions are crazy low - down to the waist. Only other guys I ever saw like that were Franco Columbu and Tony Pearson.
You lost a lot of credibility here in my eyes! You write for mags for a living and I assume you look at physique pics a lot and you can't tell that was morphed??!! Damn!
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Testosterone replacement therapy has been shown to have far more positive health benefits than side effects.
You can't make such a blanket statement. We do NOT know whether hormone replacement shortens or lengthens lifespan on average!
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FIRST pic is morphed ron
I agree. The 2nd pic is legit.
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True, but what we can say is that the studies have shown more positive results than negative.
It depends on what you mean. If we are talking about subjective feelings of improvement in the quality of life, then yes. But actual physical health benefits is another matter. We are lacking long term studies on male HRT but we could compare it to female HRT where the recommendations from the medical establishment have changed back and forth over the years. I believe currently female HRT is viewed as potentially more hazardous than beneficial. Remember that testosterone could increase the rates of prostate cancer and stuff like that.
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The association with prostate cancer and testosterone is obviously widely known, however, newer studies suggest that the cause and advancement of the disease may be linked more to high estrogen levels in men and not so much DHT. I'll see if I can find any respectable studies on it.
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hey farken, do you predict you will weigh 119 kilograms by the end of year 4 then, by staying just as "lean"?
Hell no, not even next year. Thats crazy
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Dorian wasn't that strong on back, on Blood and Guts he did a set of 5 on the partial deadlift with 455, a set of standing completely straight barbell rows with 405 which would equal 305 if he did them right and some pullovers and Hammer Pulldowns, nothing special at all.
Dorian did his Rows and Deads last in B&G. Dorian had CONTROL of the weight at all times, look at Jay Cutler rowing at the end of New Improved and Beyond which is 8 or 9 years later.
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As for the partial reps on some things, I do agree I see it too. I confess that with DC Training, especially doing it clean (been off for 8 months now), it's very hard to keep using more weight and do more reps every single workout, especially since I've already been training for over 20 years.
Are you saying that DC training is bullshit Ron?
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Not saying DC is bullshit at all - I have seen a real improvement in my physique since I started it in late June. It's just very, very hard to keep moving up in the weights and reps, again and again and again.
It would be much easier to say, well, you don't have to get stronger, you can just superset and drop set, get a great pump and get sore. That's just as good! But it's not. I had been doing that for years and years and my body was not changing anymore.
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Not saying DC is bullshit at all - I have seen a real improvement in my physique since I started it in late June. It's just very, very hard to keep moving up in the weights and reps, again and again and again.
It would be much easier to say, well, you don't have to get stronger, you can just superset and drop set, get a great pump and get sore. That's just as good! But it's not. I had been doing that for years and years and my body was not changing anymore.
You didn't give it a reason to change. To see results you must see constant changes through progression. Arnold knew that very well and took that to used that to his advantage
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You didn't give it a reason to change. To see results you must see constant changes through progression. Arnold knew that very well and took that to used that to his advantage
ron should try out sexy training.
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ron should try out sexy training.
I bet he has tried "every training routine" out there..... ::)
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Not saying DC is bullshit at all - I have seen a real improvement in my physique since I started it in late June. It's just very, very hard to keep moving up in the weights and reps, again and again and again.
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instead of very, very hard I would use the word IMPOSSIBLE! I didn't know this was a fundemental in DC training, but it makes absolutely no sense and is simple physiologicaly immpossible. Also, increase weight or strength does not always correlate increase or improvement in musculature. Not knocking the guys that do the program, just pointing out that if this is a basic fundemental of the program then it is extremely flawed. I guess, though, that everything can be flawed or questioned so whatever, to each his own.
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The association with prostate cancer and testosterone is obviously widely known, however, newer studies suggest that the cause and advancement of the disease may be linked more to high estrogen levels in men and not so much DHT. I'll see if I can find any respectable studies on it.
True, that was just an example of where questions still remain. Also, getting on HRT without estrogen control will increase estrogen levels (since estrogen follows testosterone levels in males ie high test = high est. and vice versa).
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One of the better threads on here in a while and no mention of Derek Anthony yet.
Ron, you smoke these losers.
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DA is all over this board, MD, and Mayhem. I could never challenge his online popularity and wouldn't want to try.
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It always makes me laugh when people say they do partial reps to prevent injury. Using less weight and a full range of motion will never make you more susceptible to injury. The main reason people get injured is because they get impatient and try to lift weights that they aren't capable of lifting. Range of motion has fuck all to do with it. If anything, partial reps will create strength imbalances that make you MORE susceptible to injury. Ron is totally clueless.
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It always makes me laugh when people say they do partial reps to prevent injury. Using less weight and a full range of motion will never make you more susceptible to injury. The main reason people get injured is because they get impatient and try to lift weights that they aren't capable of lifting. Range of motion has fuck all to do with it. If anything, partial reps will create strength imbalances that make you MORE susceptible to injury. Ron is totally clueless.
exactly right.
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It always makes me laugh when people say they do partial reps to prevent injury. Using less weight and a full range of motion will never make you more susceptible to injury. The main reason people get injured is because they get impatient and try to lift weights that they aren't capable of lifting. Range of motion has fuck all to do with it. If anything, partial reps will create strength imbalances that make you MORE susceptible to injury. Ron is totally clueless.
Oh yes, Ron is clueless. Post some pics of yourself, mass monster. Otherwise, STFU.
It's douche fucks/trolls like you that keep the REAL good bb'ers from posting here.
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Oh yes, Ron is clueless. Post some pics of yourself, mass monster. Otherwise, STFU.
It's douche fucks/trolls like you that keep the REAL good bb'ers from posting here.
BrianX is right you fool. His arguments are based on SCIENCE. He's also educated in physics.
Get a clue loser. Go away. ::)