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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: jaejonna on July 19, 2006, 06:32:15 AM
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I dont know what the hoopla was all about..
Maybe cause Draper looked so bad, that is why they idolized arnold so much...Outside of Sergio, Draper was the NEXT BIG THING...i think he was the one who brought the term...WATERY to its current defintion.
He looks better at 55 than he ever did!!
This one is for the Ironage :-*
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somebody needs to give you a disciplinary ass beating.
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somebody needs to give you a disciplinary ass beating.
Ok tuff guy, why dont you start it off then ???
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No...he's right. Plus, you are just posting the crappy pics...Considering he was one of the founding fathers and that you are completely wrong, I would say this thread is pointless.
Nuff said.
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Drapes is a great bodybuilder. That one shot is off season. I have seen pictures of him absolutely ripped. The guy had everything except great calves. How did you come up with a topic this dumb? Did you sit around for days pondering? Draper is 63 not 55. And I am sure he is in better condition today than you can ever dream of being in.
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Well besides his bicept and small waist...i thought that one of the reasons you dont see mandatories like Rear Double Bis or Abs and Thigh poses is because he only looks good doing "draper" poses...and I knpow how old he is , Im saying that when he was 55 , he looked his best.
Is it true that he was a junkie as well...and I mean heroin...yes no maybe so ??
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His legs were pathetic. Hair was ravishing!
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His legs were pathetic. Hair was ravishing!
I guess there was a time in bodybuilding where the champion possesed an 'attainable' physique
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I guess there was a time in bodybuilding where the champion possesed an 'attainable' physique
Thats why so many of these tiny twats love the "golden age."
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The guy from the "No Excuses" thread had better legs... ;D
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omffggggg You are dumb.
He is one of the all time greats.
(http://www.legendaryfitness.com/dave_d1.gif)
(http://members.aol.com/ArnoldTheLegend/KniebeugenmitDaveDraper.jpg)
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Adonis, do you believe that your physique is one that mirrors Dave Draper ?? From the pics you have provided I would say that you have similar a structure. This is not a knock on you , take it as a complement. But Being a Mr. GetBig contender vs. a Mr Olympia contender is like Nascar to Soapbox
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I think Adonis actually looks like Draper in the face. TA probably has better legs.
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The guy from the "No Excuses" thread had better legs... ;D
you're COLD, Dude
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Draper was awesome dude. If you want to pic on somebody pic of Robby Robinson. The guy can't weight more than 165 pounds.
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Draper was awesome dude. If you want to pic on somebody pic of Robby Robinson. The guy can't weight more than 165 pounds.
Post some pics.
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Draper ate box as a pre-workout snack
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draper wasn't anything special. next.
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and why post a picture of him squatting what's that suppose to show? that he trained legs, though it looks like he didnt from the other photos?
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He is a legend, dont forget when he was bodybuilding legs werent as important. I would rather look like him than a ronnie or jay
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so what does that say? you'd look like anyone from the 60-70's
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1963
Mr New Jersey - IFBB, Overall Winner
Mr New Jersey - IFBB, Tall, 1st
1965
Mr America - IFBB, Tall, 1st
Mr America - IFBB, Overall Winner
1966
Universe - IFBB, Tall, 1st
Universe - IFBB, Overall Winner
1967
Olympia - IFBB, 4th
1970
Universe - Pro - NABBA, Tall, 3rd
Mr World - AAU, Pro Tall, 3rd
Mr World - IFBB, Overall Winner
Mr World - IFBB, Tall, 1st
Magazines
Vol 1, Num 9 Peak Muscle Maker
Vol 2, Num 2 Peak Muscle Maker
Vol 2, Num 6 Peak Muscle Maker
Vol 1, Num 8 Peak Muscle Maker
1963 December Vol 13, Num 12 Muscle Builder
1964 July Vol 14, Num 6 Muscle Builder
1964 August Vol 6, Num 11 Mr America
1964 December Vol 7, Num 1 Mr America
1965 January Vol 7, Num 2 Mr America
1965 August Vol 15, Num 5 Muscle Builder
1966 April Vol 8, Num 3 Muscle Builder
1966 October Vol 8, Num 7 Mr America
1966 November Vol 8, Num 8 Mr America
1967 July Vol 9, Num 5 Mr America
1967 October Vol 8, Num 7 Mr America
1967 November Vol 9, Num 8 Mr America
1967 November Vol 9, Num 8 Muscle Builder
1968 August Vol 10, Num 3 Mr America
1968 September Vol 10, Num 1 Muscle Builder
1968 October Vol 10, Num 2 Muscle Builder
1969 March Vol 10, Num 10 Mr America
1969 September Vol 10, Num 11 Muscle Builder
1969 November Vol 10, Num 12 Muscle Builder
1970 March Vol 11, Num 5 Mr America
1970 March Vol 11, Num 3 Muscle Builder
1970 April Vol 11, Num 6 Mr America
1970 August Vol 12, Num 2 Mr America
1970 August Vol 11, Num 6 Muscle Builder
1970 December Vol 99, Num 12 Health and Strength
1971 January Vol 100, Num 1 Health and Strength
1971 September Vol 12, Num 12 Muscle Builder
1973 July Vol 14, Num 2 Muscle Builder
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he was in magazines?
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he was in magazines?
If someone wasn't in Bluto's subscriptions to Colt and Honcho, he doesn't recognize them.
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he was in magazines?
hahah You think bodybuilding started 10 years ago. Don`t you?
hahahahahha
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Is it true that he was a junkie as well...and I mean heroin...yes no maybe so ??
No thats not true. He had a well documented drinking problem which he beat.
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omffggggg You are dumb.
He is one of the all time greats.
(http://www.legendaryfitness.com/dave_d1.gif)
(http://members.aol.com/ArnoldTheLegend/KniebeugenmitDaveDraper.jpg)
Damn straight he was!
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If someone wasn't in Bluto's subscriptions to Colt and Honcho, he doesn't recognize them.
Priceless!
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hahah You think bodybuilding started 10 years ago. Don`t you?
hahahahahha
Unfortunately it started in the late 40's and died by 1990.
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I guess there was a time in bodybuilding where the champion possesed an 'attainable' physique
You try "obtaining" Drapers physique then!
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Draper's pecs were lacking, but other than that he had a very well-balanced physique. Look at how thick and wide his back was. His legs don't stand out because they're IN PROPORTION to the rest of his body. Not everyone can have Platz-like legs, especially taller guys with long thighs. He was still extremely strong on the basic exercises and could hang with any of today's pros in the gym.
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I disagree about the pecs, only against arnold. He holds his own with reg:
(http://z.about.com/d/bodybuilding/1/2/j/draper-reg-park.jpg)
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draper had considerably low lat insertions too
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You try "obtaining" Drapers physique then!
I had already when I was only 15
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Draper, Reg Park and Arnold
(http://musclememory.com/magCovers/hs/hs9912.jpg)
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I had already when I was only 15
hahhaah Classic Chick line.
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hahhaah Classic Chick line.
Don't waste your time on this debate.
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Draper's pecs were lacking, but other than that he had a very well-balanced physique. Look at how thick and wide his back was. His legs don't stand out because they're IN PROPORTION to the rest of his body. Not everyone can have Platz-like legs, especially taller guys with long thighs. He was still extremely strong on the basic exercises and could hang with any of today's pros in the gym.
you woudl defend a shitty bulid like his every guy back then with the exception of katz was better then draper why you think weider scratche dhim to hype arnold
people always pay to see some freakiness and arniold was a freak back then. drapers build was notimpressive his legs were horribly weak (not strength) maybe he shoudl teach THE BEAST how to squat
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did you start this thread because everyone on ironage.us thinks you're a schmuck?
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hahah You think bodybuilding started 10 years ago. Don`t you?
hahahahahha
No but I don't see him automatically turning great because of
a) you posting a picture where he squats.
b) someone post a list of magazines covers or whatever.
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hahhaah Classic Chick line.
Did you ever get around with a comeback to that picture where Chick showed how he looked at age 15 after you claimed he didn't look as good as you do now?
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I had already when I was only 15
Sure you did. Where are your Mr. Universe and Mr. America titles then? ::)
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you woudl defend a shitty bulid like his every guy back then with the exception of katz was better then draper why you think weider scratche dhim to hype arnold
people always pay to see some freakiness and arniold was a freak back then. drapers build was notimpressive his legs were horribly weak (not strength) maybe he shoudl teach THE BEAST how to squat
Serious question- Are you retarded?
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did you start this thread because everyone on ironage.us thinks you're a schmuck?
No i started the thread cause I was looking at the Boyer coe thread where there was a link to http://mrolympia/altervista.com or something like that and was browsing through the diffrent profiles and really never seen a good draper pic other than the draper 'pose' (where he is holding an imaginary gallon of milk). Then and only then did i think, he i know a bunch of old fuckers who would love to see a Dave Draper Tribute thread..so here it is !!
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you woudl defend a shitty bulid like his every guy back then with the exception of katz was better then draper why you think weider scratche dhim to hype arnold
regardless of what you may think, Draper was one of the top bodybuilders of his day. He was a contemporary of Larry Scott, before Arnold and well before Katz.
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He just doesn't strike me as that spectacular, maybe I've seen too few pictures.
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you woudl defend a shitty bulid like his every guy back then with the exception of katz was better then draper why you think weider scratche dhim to hype arnold
people always pay to see some freakiness and arniold was a freak back then. drapers build was notimpressive his legs were horribly weak (not strength) maybe he shoudl teach THE BEAST how to squat
What's funny is that Draper was probably just using a little dbol during his prime, and was still bigger than you.
You could only hope to have 1/10th the longevity and fame of Dave Draper. I bet you won't even be training in another few years. You steroid bums are all the same.
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def. not one of the all time greats. he didnt contribute or pioneer any new diet or training strategies to bbing and didnt have a great physique. looked ok for a 60's era bber, but nothing special.
also, i cant recall anyone being inspired by this guy vs. guys like arnold, franco, scott, etc. to take up bbing.
i once heard this remark about draper: "a guy from jersey who liked working out and found some dbol".
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He was still extremely strong on the basic exercises and could hang with any of today's pros in the gym.
one of the most dumbest comments i've heard in a while.
somebody is old.
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Draper, Reg Park and Arnold
(http://musclememory.com/magCovers/hs/hs9912.jpg)
I take it back. His chest looks very good in some photos.
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Draper, to me, isn't one of my all time favorites. And, yes, he did have some flaws bodypart wise. I never thought his triceps were all that, or his hamstrings or quad sweep. But, for the 60s and 70s had a pretty decent build. In those days you could win the universe at 6' tall and 220. So, it was a whole different game. In fact, I actually like his overall build- kind of the classic "heroic" lines. So, I definately see the value in what he offered. And, apparently so did many, many fans over the last 44 years. A lot changes in 44 years. You could say that the bench press record holder from 1962 wasn't all that great, and by todays numbers you'd be right.
Is Dave Draper overrated? Yes and no. Bodybuilding is a subjective sport. A lot of people think Dorian or even Ronnie, Lee Haney, Lee Labrada etc. are overrated. And, yes, he talked about his serious drug addiction on his "E True Hollywood Story" they did on him several years back. So, he has laid that out there and has moved on from that.
On kind of another note: I belonged to his yahoo group for awhile and had some problems with the way his wife and he handled certain situations- poor judgement calls. Quite a bit of sensorship for intelligent, well meaning people, while the pricks just about had free run to say what they liked as long as it didn't go against the Drapers' opinions or overall beliefs. That's not a personal attack, just narrow sighted leadership in my opinion. I think the staunch anti-steroid stance is a little bit ironic- especially when Dave used them to be at his best. But, that's his personal opinion now and I can respect that. Also, a lot of people like his writing style. I bought one of his books years ago and I can't make heads or tails of it. Kind of a lyrical melodic style that doesn't seem to really focus in one direction. Just not for me.
So that's my take on Dave. He seems like an ok guy and a good old time bodybuilder, but far from perfect- as he'd tell you himself. And, basically, he's just one of those dudes that you either agree with and like or you don't- not real well rounded physique wise or politically.
Jacob
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omffggggg You are dumb.
He is one of the all time greats.
(http://www.legendaryfitness.com/dave_d1.gif)
(http://members.aol.com/ArnoldTheLegend/KniebeugenmitDaveDraper.jpg)
Fcuking right.
He looks good to this day.
Health freak with a good site.
YIP
Zack
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So he was on the Herion ?? Is that why he is so vascular ?
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dave was awesome
check him out on the beverly hillbillies
http://www.davedraper.com/photo-archive-waves.html
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Draper, to me, isn't one of my all time favorites. And, yes, he did have some flaws bodypart wise. I never thought his triceps were all that, or his hamstrings or quad sweep. But, for the 60s and 70s had a pretty decent build. In those days you could win the universe at 6' tall and 220. So, it was a whole different game. In fact, I actually like his overall build- kind of the classic "heroic" lines. So, I definately see the value in what he offered. And, apparently so did many, many fans over the last 44 years. A lot changes in 44 years. You could say that the bench press record holder from 1962 wasn't all that great, and by todays numbers you'd be right.
No, the bench press record holder from 1962 would still be stronger than almost everyone who ever lifted a weight. Only an idiot would deny the greatness of a past champion just because the current champions are bigger/stronger/faster. You can argue that so an so had a better physique than Dave Draper, but it is pure bullshit to say that he had a mediocre or shitty build. That's like saying Jesse Owens wasn't that great because today's runners are faster, or that Jim Braddock was a shitty boxer because Vladimir Klitchko would destroy him in the ring. These guys are still better than 99.999% of the population, including no-name losers like "dzulboy".
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Draper was one of the top guys in the late 60s in terms of both size & cuts, which is easy to forget now. To be smart you have to compare him with his peers of the time to understand how good he was.
-Most of the available pics aren't great.
-He's flawed ie legs - but this was typical of that era until it started changing just after him, in the late 60s/early 70s.
-Very comparable to Schwarzenegger as can be seen in this pic, but with more flaws. He had density, muscle-separation & leaness-a sinewy look Schwarzenegger never had.
Dave was also on one of the Monkees episodes.
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No, the bench press record holder from 1962 would still be stronger than almost everyone who ever lifted a weight. Only an idiot would deny the greatness of a past champion just because the current champions are bigger/stronger/faster. You can argue that so an so had a better physique than Dave Draper, but it is pure bullshit to say that he had a mediocre or shitty build. That's like saying Jesse Owens wasn't that great because today's runners are faster, or that Jim Braddock was a shitty boxer because Vladimir Klitchko would destroy him in the ring. These guys are still better than 99.999% of the population, including no-name losers like "dzulboy".
It's funny you know. He came at you quite respectfully with his opinion, and all you had to give back was a cromagnon, knee jerk, inbred, room temperature I.Q. response. Well done.
I agree wholeheartedly that past greats should be given respect for what they have contributed to the sport, but, insulting and using more profanities than actual english words makes you look stupid.
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Draper was one of the top guys in the late 60s, which is easy to forget now. He has to be compared to his peers at the time to understand how good he was for that time, because:
-Most of the available pics aren't great.
-He's flawed ie legs - but this was typical of that era of BBs until about just after him, in the early 70s when that started to change.
-Very comparable to Schwarzenegger in certain areas, but with more flaws. He had density & leaness Schwarzenegger rarely ever had.
Dave was also on one of the Monkees episodes.
You can't always judge a physique from magazine photographs. Guys like Reg Park and Dave Draper would've looked absolutely gigantic in real life. I wasn't very impressed with George Eiferman until I saw an old video of him posing, and was blown away by his thickness and density. Jaejonna thinks he has a better physique than all of these guys because he found a few shitty old photographs. What a clown.
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you are just posting the crappy pics...Considering he was one of the founding fathers and that you are completely wrong, I would say this thread is pointless.
Nuff said.
How did you come up with a topic this dumb? Did you sit around for days pondering?
did you start this thread because everyone on ironage.us thinks you're a schmuck?
No i started the thread cause I was..................... .............
in the first post.......
This one is for the Ironage
::)
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def. not one of the all time greats. he didnt contribute or pioneer any new diet or training strategies to bbing and didnt have a great physique. looked ok for a 60's era bber, but nothing special.
also, i cant recall anyone being inspired by this guy vs. guys like arnold, franco, scott, etc. to take up bbing.
i once heard this remark about draper: "a guy from jersey who liked working out and found some dbol".
That is a brain dead post. How many bodybuilders have "pioneered" anything.
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one of the most dumbest comments i've heard in a while.
somebody is old.
Why was that post dumb? Your posts border on moronic.
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i met Dave Draper in the gym one Saturday a few years ago, he was in town signing autographs for his book which came out around 4 years ago or so, really nice guy, borrowed some of my chalk, i've never seen so many veins on someones arms and he was like 62 at the time, he was training arms and was doing very moderately weighted bicep/tricep supersets.
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draper is overrated....
he has stated himself that he loved lifting but hated bodybuilding, so that probably explains why he wasnt the most aesthetic guy. he had a great back, good arms and chest, but his legs were nothing and his midsection was probably the worst of any ironager. he looks good in his signature twisting back shot but thats about it.
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he has stated himself that he loved lifting but hated bodybuilding, so that probably explains why he wasnt the most aesthetic guy. he had a great back, good arms and chest, but his legs were nothing and his midsection was probably the worst of any ironager. he looks good in his signature twisting back shot but thats about it.
He did love working out but what's disliking BB got to do with aesthetics?
Besides which, his aesthetics were fine. As far as legs, list the BBs from that era with both great thighs & calves..? Scott's legs were no better. Draper was one of the top guys of the mid-late 60s.
One of the nicest guys, unlike some other BBs. His site's worth visiting for the articles on training, on the golden era of BB in Venice, the gyms and equipment used, etc. I like the line of workout equipment he sells.
http://www.davedraper.com/
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IMO the quintessential Draper shot of the late 60s/early 70s. The best biceps shot of that era, just before Schwarzenegger's prominence. Still comparable to Schwarzenegger because Arnold never had Draper's density, separation or leaness.
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IMO the quintessential Draper shot of the late 60s/early 70s. The best biceps shot of that era, just before Schwarzenegger's prominence.
Neither Schwarzenegger, Scott or Oliva had anywhere near that kind of density or separation, which is still exceptional even today.
;)
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Very comparable-Draper's way ahead of him in terms of an unusually sinewy look including separation, density, leaness and detail that's still exceptional even today-he looks like an anatomy chart. Schwarzenegger never had those particular attributes. Draper's peak is under-rated/forgotten-at the time, it was the biceps shot, prior to Schwarzenegger. Also has the advantage re: forearms.
Those two were always neck-and-neck in some areas.
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1966 - 8 or 9 years before the Arnold arm shot
(http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5089.0;id=3000;image)
I dont know what the hoopla was all about..Maybe cause Draper looked so bad, that............
somebody needs to give you a disciplinary ass beating.
..........that's too obvious to even have to say and I don't waste my life disciplining other people's parenting failures
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He did love working out but what's disliking BB got to do with aesthetics?
does it really need explaining? for example-powerlifters.
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Quote from: pumpster on Today at 08:32:52 PM
He did love working out but what's disliking BB got to do with aesthetics?
does it really need explaining? for example-powerlifters.
Yes i think you need to articulate-powerlifters have nothing to do with Draper.
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educating
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it was the 60's......20 years before most of you wannbe detractors were even spanked on your azz to take a breath ::)
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'Maybe cause Draper looked so bad, that is why they idolized arnold so much'
Jaejonna needs his head examined....
I hope when Mr.Getbig comes along we all get to see his pics...they better be REALLY REALLY good....
Didn't he post some once???? Anyone???
And some people are surprised why bodybuilders get a bad rap ::)
If Dave draper was sugar he'd be hershey pennsylvania and Jaejonna would be a twinkie.
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Yes i think you need to articulate-powerlifters have nothing to do with Draper.
the point is, is that you can love to lift AND not strive for a 'pretty' physique.
bbers have to focus on not just lifting but sculpting the overall appearance.
powerlifters love lifting (like draper) but dont give a rat's ass about being asthetic.
i figure draper did the 'bbing thing' for a while because it was easily available to him, but didnt really have his heart into bodybuilding so he didnt care to put in the effort required to attain great aesthetics needed for bbing the way, say, zane, robby or even arnold did, which is why he got left in the dust by the rest of the guys.
he was probably just a guy who liked lifting, had decent genetics and kinda got by on that for a while, but then when lots of more serious competition came about and the requirements and sacrifices necessary to compete at a high level came about, he decided he wasnt really into all that so he checked himself out of the game.
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i figure draper did the 'bbing thing' for a while because it was easily available to him, but didnt really have his heart into bodybuilding so he didnt care to put in the effort required to attain great aesthetics needed for bbing the way,
you figure, do ya? well, that's enlightening
I figure you're a fk'n moron with a bad member name - how's that for enlightnement? about the same level huh?
fact is Draper loved sculpting the body - it was the stage he wasn't into
he was probably just a guy who liked lifting, had decent genetics and kinda got by on that for a while, but then when lots of more serious competition came about and the requirements and sacrifices necessary to compete at a high level came about, he decided he wasnt really into all
this don't happen "easy" in the late 60's Jethro
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/draper/dd21.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/draper/dd16.jpg)
the guy was the Arnold the decade before Arnold and that ain't half bad, wake the F up
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/draper/dd6.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/draper/dd218.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/draper/dd212.jpg)
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bbers have to focus on not just lifting but sculpting the overall appearance.
powerlifters love lifting (like draper) but dont give a rat's ass about being asthetic.
i figure draper did the 'bbing thing' for a while because it was easily available to him, but didnt really have his heart into bodybuilding so he didnt care to put in the effort required to attain great aesthetics
You've completely & negatively misinterpreted because you don't have the depth to know the context of those times. Learn from this and don't jump to insane assumptions with little evidence:
-He was like powerlifters in being very much into training in the Dungeon and then Gold's, but that didn't mean he didn't care about aesthetics! If you did a poll, Draper would be one of the most desirable physiques of the golden era of BB in fact-so much for lack of aesthetics.
-As mentioned, he was Arnold before Arnold.
he was probably just a guy who liked lifting, had decent genetics and kinda got by on that for a while, but then when lots of more serious competition came about and the requirements and sacrifices necessary to compete at a high level came about, he decided he wasnt really into all that so he checked himself out of the game.
I don't know how you can say he was into training (true) and then say he didn't train hard enough to be good enough-insane jump in logic.
The reality was in fact quite different:
-Weider wanted a real salesman to elevate BB & move product. Neither Oliva or Draper had that quality, and were brushed aside in lieu of Schwarzenegger.
-Draper slipped into heavy alcohol dependance. IF he had been healthy, the film crew that was turned away at his house during the filming of Pumping Iron would've included him and perhaps your distorted perceptions of him would be quite different had he maintained some degree of exposure into the 70s and beyond, which he didn't.
-Draper sued Weider successfully in the early 70s, after being paid peanuts working in Weider's warehouse while Schwarzenegger got preferred treatment. The acrimony eliminated his commercial exposure in Weider magazines.
The lack of media exposure at a critical time in the early-mid 70s is why guys like you and ND the confused neophyte don't have a clue about him-nothing to do with the physique! ;D
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you figure, do ya? well, that's enlightening
I figure you're a fk'n moron with a bad member name - how's that for enlightnement? about the same level huh?
fact is Draper loved sculpting the body - it was the stage he wasn't into
this don't happen "easy" in the late 60's Jethro
choke on a boner cock sucker :)
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No, the bench press record holder from 1962 would still be stronger than almost everyone who ever lifted a weight. Only an idiot would deny the greatness of a past champion just because the current champions are bigger/stronger/faster. You can argue that so an so had a better physique than Dave Draper, but it is pure bullshit to say that he had a mediocre or shitty build. That's like saying Jesse Owens wasn't that great because today's runners are faster, or that Jim Braddock was a shitty boxer because Vladimir Klitchko would destroy him in the ring. These guys are still better than 99.999% of the population, including no-name losers like "dzulboy".
Take a deep breath... Of course Dave is more muscular than most will ever be and the record holder from 62 is stronger than most people alive. Read my post again and you'll see that I'm just trying to give a well rounded, objective perspective that brought up different viewpoints.
Let me just state, again, that I actually like Dave's physique overall. As I said before, it has that "classic/heroic" quality that I find inspirational. I would LOVE to have his build and I look up to what he accomplished. But, that wasn't the question. The question is: "was he overrated?" I think in some ways yes, in that he had some noticeable deficiencies in his build while some others didn't have so much and got less press. And, in some ways, no he wasn't overrated- he still had a pretty good physique, especially for his time. What really put Dave over in the 60s was his wholesome good looks. What puts him over today is his dedication and humble attitude.
I've already stated what I didn't like about him, so there are some things that I do appreciate. Nobody is perfect. Thank goodness or we'd all be the same and that would be boring as hell.
Jacob
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choke on a boner cock sucker :)
Your incredibly clever reply tells me I made my point down on your level
.................next 8)
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He didn't have genetics like Arnold but he still managed to build a body that a lot of people couldn't dream of even in this scientific era.
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Draper was awesome dude. If you want to pic on somebody pic of Robby Robinson. The guy can't weight more than 165 pounds.
????????? Robby competed at 200 to 215 pounds.
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Whats really funny bout this thread is that I am actually a Dave Draper fan!!! ;D
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Whats really funny bout this thread is that I am actually a Dave Draper fan!!!
Is that why the heading to this thread was changed radically to something more favorable or was there backpeddling involved? ;D
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Is that why the heading to this thread was changed radically to something more favorable or was there backpeddling involved? ;D
I dont know who changed the title, probably someone with Mod powers...my last statment was sarcastic, I guess the only way to save face is by changing the title then so be it.
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Draper says in his book he hated competing. He was just a dude who lifted and won some contests.
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Whats really funny bout this thread is that I am actually a Dave Draper fan!!! ;D
I knew you'd come to your senses
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Your incredibly clever reply tells me I made my point down on your level
.................next 8)
i know, your incredibly thorough, in-depth rebuttal of my statements left me in such a state of emotional shock that all i could muster was a standard 'cock' related insult. clearly you are far too clever for me!
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I know when I need to lower the level to reach someone - glad it worked out for you. ;)
hey and you actually learned something, now John, hasn't someone kidnapped your daughter ::)
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regardless of what you may think, Draper was one of the top bodybuilders of his day. He was a contemporary of Larry Scott, before Arnold and well before Katz.
Drapper is the man. Sometimes it suprises me that people can talk shit about the legends but then i remeber im on Getbig where and 13 year old fat azz can insult a legend...
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It's harder to pay respect and honor a heritage than it is to talk chit from behind a keyboard.
Some guys can't get the job done.
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im sorry to offend Draper Fans, he is the bomb.
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i beginning to think 'slummin' is dave draper. either that or he has a major crush on him
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Draper was one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time. Take a look at his 1967 movie, "Don't Make Waves." If you consider that small, then you'll have to take my word that in the late 60's - early 70's, that was HUGE.
In my opinion, Draper was better than Arnold overall. Draper was as if etched in stone, Arnold was "puffy."
But in physique, to each his own. That would explain the large number of Palumbo fans on this site! ;D
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i beginning to think 'slummin' is dave draper. either that or he has a major crush on him
is that really the best you got? ::)
bitchslap to you
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im sorry to offend Draper Fans, he is the bomb.
JayJackoff is still here? Thought this was his typical hit and run MO. ::)
remember everyone - don't be JayJackoffed!
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hey! it's been fun kiddies - no charge for the lessons. ;)