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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40978517/ns/politics/
Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., was shot in the head and an unknown number of others were wounded Saturday when an assailant sprayed bullets into an area where the lawmaker was meeting with constituents, congressional officials said.
Officials said one of the victims died soon after the attack, and others were taken to a nearby hospital.
There were conflicting reports on whether the congresswoman had died.
The officials said the wounded included some of Gifford's aides who were with her at the time.
The officials who described the events did so on condition of anonymity, saying they were not permitted to comment publicly.
FBI officials and local law enforcement were investigating the attack, which took place while Giffords was greeting constituents outside a Safeway grocery store.
Giffords, who was re-elected to her third term in November, was hosting her first "Congress on Your Corner" event in northwest Tucson, NPR reported.
Giffords, 40, is married to U.S. astronaut Mark Kelly. She took office in January 2007, emphasizing issues such as immigration reform, embryonic stem-cell research, alternative energy sources and a higher minimum wage. In November, she edged a tea party favorite.
The Arizona politician's office had been vandalized last March just hours after the House vote overhauling the health care system, The New York Times reported.
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Saw this on my email. Did they get the shooter?
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Saw this on my email. Did they get the shooter?
don't know
I just heard on the radio that she's dead and as many as 6 others might be dead or injured
I've read the shooter is in custody but then the radio report just said no one was in custody
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Wow. Damn.
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what a horrible thing. :'(
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what a horrible thing. :'(
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That is just sad :(
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Very sad. Prayers.
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12 people shot, wonder if this guy had high cap mags or reloaded?
Also - it looks like they got the guy alive.
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it seems she may not have died afterall (though shot in the head)
apparently she'd received many threats, had her office vandalized etc..
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Giffords, 40, took her seat in Congress in 2007 and has advocated for immigration reform, among other Democratic-led issues. She was among 20 members of Congress who were on former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin's so-called "hit list," depicted in a graphic online with targeting crosshairs over their individual districts.
interesting.
-NT
not interesting
fucking sick
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Giffords, 40, took her seat in Congress in 2007 and has advocated for immigration reform, among other Democratic-led issues. She was among 20 members of Congress who were on former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin's so-called "hit list," depicted in a graphic online with targeting crosshairs over their individual districts.
interesting.
-NT
We gotta be careful not to jump to any conclusions. She also did a lot to send national guard forces to the Mexican border. So it could very well have been related to that, and not this 'hit list' which you mention that caused so much controversy. Or it could be something else.
from gawker:
A gunman shot U.S. congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords during an event outside a Safeway in Tuscon Arizona this morning. At least 12 others were wounded. Following is an eyewitness report from a man who helped hold the suspect down.
Update: Giffords has died, according to Reuters.
We spoke to an eyewitness, Steven Rayle, who was on the scene at the time of the shooting and helped to hold the suspect down while waiting for police. Here's what he said:
The event was very informal: Gifford had set up a table outside the Safeway and about 20-30 people were gathered to talk to her. The gunman, who may have come from inside the Safeway, walked up and shot Gifford in the head first, "point blank". According to Rayle, who is a former ER doctor, Gifford was able to move her hands after being shot.
After shooting Gifford, the gunman opened fire indiscriminately for a few seconds, firing 20-30 rounds and hitting a number of people, including a kid no older than 10 years old. Rayle hid behind a concrete pole and pretended to be dead. When the gunman apparently ran out of ammunition he attempted to flee, but a member of Gifford's staff tackled him. Rayle helped hold the gunman down while waiting for the sheriff to arrive, about 15-to-20 minutes later. The EMS came about 30 minutes later. Rayle said he was "stunned" by how long it took medical help to arrive.
The gunman was young, mid-to-late 20s, white, clean-shaven with short hair and wearing dark clothing and said nothing during the shooting or while being held down, although he struggled at first. He was "not particularly well-dressed"; he didn't look like a businessman, but more of a "fringe character," Rayle said. The sheriff's department arrived, arrested the gunman and cordoned off the parking lot.
CNN is reporting that at least 12 were wounded.
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not interesting
fucking sick
The list was a VERY bad idea. But we DO NOT know if it is related in any way whatsoever. We must not jump to any conclusions.
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We gotta be careful not to jump to any conclusions. She also did a lot to send national guard forces to the Mexican border. So it could very well have been related to that, and not this 'hit list' which you mention that caused so much controversy. Or it could be something else.
from gawker:
A gunman shot U.S. congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords during an event outside a Safeway in Tuscon Arizona this morning. At least 12 others were wounded. Following is an eyewitness report from a man who helped hold the suspect down.
Update: Giffords has died, according to Reuters.
We spoke to an eyewitness, Steven Rayle, who was on the scene at the time of the shooting and helped to hold the suspect down while waiting for police. Here's what he said:
The event was very informal: Gifford had set up a table outside the Safeway and about 20-30 people were gathered to talk to her. The gunman, who may have come from inside the Safeway, walked up and shot Gifford in the head first, "point blank". According to Rayle, who is a former ER doctor, Gifford was able to move her hands after being shot.
After shooting Gifford, the gunman opened fire indiscriminately for a few seconds, firing 20-30 rounds and hitting a number of people, including a kid no older than 10 years old. Rayle hid behind a concrete pole and pretended to be dead. When the gunman apparently ran out of ammunition he attempted to flee, but a member of Gifford's staff tackled him. Rayle helped hold the gunman down while waiting for the sheriff to arrive, about 15-to-20 minutes later. The EMS came about 30 minutes later. Rayle said he was "stunned" by how long it took medical help to arrive.
The gunman was young, mid-to-late 20s, white, clean-shaven with short hair and wearing dark clothing and said nothing during the shooting or while being held down, although he struggled at first. He was "not particularly well-dressed"; he didn't look like a businessman, but more of a "fringe character," Rayle said. The sheriff's department arrived, arrested the gunman and cordoned off the parking lot.
CNN is reporting that at least 12 were wounded.
the only person I blame is the NUT who pulled the trigger
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The list was a VERY bad idea. But we DO NOT know if it is related in any way whatsoever. We must not jump to any conclusions.
agreed but that type of rhetoric on either side is totally unacceptable and the people who create this should realize that there are nutbags out there who take this rhetoric very seriously.
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the only person I blame is the NUT who pulled the trigger
Agreed. Regardless of party, nationality.... this looks to be a horrible shooting scene. No time to place blame. Someone else posted this, and it seems to sum it up best:
Ya know, I read the comments on the Fox News article about this, and a lot of them claim that the gunman was an "Obama henchman" who did this to "cause confusion and stir up the progressive base." I thought that was a reactionary assumption.
But, um, assuming that the gunman was a Tea Party member motivated by right-wing-bred violence is also a reactionary assumption, isn't it?
And besides, even if the gunman is a conservative, claiming that this shooting shows that "conservatives in this country are violent crazy wingnuts" seems a little bit...broad.
I think the most plausible explanation for the gunman's motives is that the gunman is fucking insane, regardless of political affiliation
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what - now all of a sudden you can't speak?
since when have you been at a loss for words
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gunman was 21 y/o
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Sarah Palin Responds On Facebook To Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' Shooting
Glynnis MacNicol | Jan. 8, 2011, 3:06 PM | 163 |
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Just now from Sarah Palin's Facebook page:
My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today's tragic shooting in Arizona.
On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice.
- Sarah Palin
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Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-responds-on-facebook-to-rep-gabrielle-giffords-shooting-2011-1#ixzz1ATbGhEau
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Giffords, 40, took her seat in Congress in 2007 and has advocated for immigration reform, among other Democratic-led issues. She was among 20 members of Congress who were on former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin's so-called "hit list," depicted in a graphic online with targeting crosshairs over their individual districts.
interesting.
-NT
Palin's website is now down:
http://www.sarahpac.com/
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Sarah Palin Responds On Facebook To Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' Shooting
Glynnis MacNicol | Jan. 8, 2011, 3:06 PM | 163 |
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Just now from Sarah Palin's Facebook page:
My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today's tragic shooting in Arizona.
On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice.
- Sarah Palin
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Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-responds-on-facebook-to-rep-gabrielle-giffords-shooting-2011-1#ixzz1ATbGhEau
she'd better pray that this mofo is not some psycho totally infatuated with her that acted driven by desire to impress her or something totally retarded like that.
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BI is saying that the gunman is 21 y/o
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she'd better pray that this mofo is not some psycho totally infatuated with her that acted driven by desire to impress her or something totally retarded like that.
Yeah, it could still very well be completely unrelated to Palin's Hit List which contained the victim's name.
This *could* be her Huck moment - only much, much worse - and we are seeing her not scramble to scrub her site of the target lists.
What a horrible story all around. Hopefully this is completely unrelated to politics. Reports say she was talking before going into surgery, but other reports say much worse. Press conference in 12 minutes.
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US Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords shot in Arizona, multiple wounded
BY Larry Mcshane
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Saturday, January 8th 2011, 1:46 PM
HODemocratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot on Saturday, according to reports.
Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and six others were shot by a lone gunman Saturday morning during a scheduled public event outside a Tuscon grocery store, according to an NPR report.
Despite earlier reports that the Congresswoman was killed, Reuters and Politico reported that she is in surgery.
"She's alive," Giffords' spokesperson reportedly told Reuters.
The Pima County sheriff's office told NPR that six others at the event were killed.
Giffords, 40, was chatting with a couple in her district when the shooter opened fire from about four feet away.
The shooter, described as a man in his teens or early 20s, was tackled by a bystander as he ran from the scene, according to NPR.
The gunfire erupted around 10 a.m. during the "Congress at Your Corner" event outside a Safeway store. A witness told CNN that 15 to 20 gunshots were fired during the shooting spree.
Giffords was shot along with members of her staff, according to Peter Michaels, news director of Arizona Public Media.
The Congresswoman is known for cracking down on illegal immigration, urging deployment of the National Guard and new technology to protect the Arizona border.
Before her election to Congress in 2006, the Arizona native served in the state legislature.
Her husband, Capt. Mark Kelly, is a Navy pilot, a Desert Storm veteran and an astronaut.
She was one of 20 vulnerable Democrats singled out by ex-GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin for defeat in the 2010 elections.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/01/08/2011-01-08_us_congresswoman_gabrielle_giffords_shot_in_arizona_multiple_wounded.html
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110108/us_nm/us_usa_shooting_congresswoman
TUCSON, Arizona (Reuters) – Representative Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot point blank in the head by a man who opened fire indiscriminately at a constituency meeting in Tucson, U.S. media reported on Saturday.
Giffords, a 40-year-old Democrat in her third term in Congress, was airlifted to a hospital in Tucson shortly after the shooting at a Safeway supermarket in the Arizona city.
"She is currently in surgery. She's alive," University Medical Center spokeswoman Darci Slaten told Reuters. Slaten added that nine other shooting victims were being treated at the hospital.
NPR, citing the sheriff's office in Pima County, Arizona, initially reported that Giffords and six others had died in the shooting, though it later said there were conflicting reports.
Fox News reported that between 12 and 15 people were shot.
Giffords was hosting a "Congress on Your Corner" event -- public gatherings to give her constituents a chance to talk directly with her -- when attacked from about four feet away, NPR said.
The report said the suspect tried to run away but was tackled by a bystander and was in police custody.
Re-elected in the November 2 election, Giffords has focused on immigration reform, military issues, stem cell research and alternative energy while serving in Congress. She is married to U.S. astronaut Mark Kelly.
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19 shot.
I bet there is a good chance there is more than 1 shooter.
Dont be surprised if this turns out to be zetas.
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Her poor husband is an astronaut - he is stuck in space right now. Geez.
That was my first thought - she did a ton with pushing national guard into mexico and it could be nearing outright war with such an attack like this from a foreign gang. Hopefully it has nothing to do with domestic politics - it'll only make things uglier here.
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John Boehner issued the following statement
“I am horrified by the senseless attack on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and members of her staff. An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve. Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society. Our prayers are with Congresswoman Giffords, her staff, all who were injured, and their families. This is a sad day for our country."
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Horrible just plain horrible thoughts and prayers with the wounded and their families :-\
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Yeah, it could still very well be completely unrelated to Palin's Hit List which contained the victim's name.
This *could* be her Huck moment - only much, much worse - and we are seeing her not scramble to scrub her site of the target lists.
What a horrible story all around. Hopefully this is completely unrelated to politics. Reports say she was talking before going into surgery, but other reports say much worse. Press conference in 12 minutes.
as usual your bullshit is mounting, her website is up...
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Agreed. Regardless of party, nationality.... this looks to be a horrible shooting scene. No time to place blame. Someone else posted this, and it seems to sum it up best:
Ya know, I read the comments on the Fox News article about this, and a lot of them claim that the gunman was an "Obama henchman" who did this to "cause confusion and stir up the progressive base." I thought that was a reactionary assumption.
But, um, assuming that the gunman was a Tea Party member motivated by right-wing-bred violence is also a reactionary assumption, isn't it?
And besides, even if the gunman is a conservative, claiming that this shooting shows that "conservatives in this country are violent crazy wingnuts" seems a little bit...broad.
I think the most plausible explanation for the gunman's motives is that the gunman is fucking insane, regardless of political affiliation
an Obama "henchman" CT is just fucking stupid. Assuming that this is related to Palins hit list is a reactionary assumption. This person is mostly likely fucked in the head first and anything else afterward is just whatever he latched on to and twisted around in his own fucked up head.
She was in favor of increased federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research so maybe the shooter is some nutbag pro-lifer. Those people already have a history of killing people
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Breaking: Did a Radical Daily Kos Reader try to Assassinate Rep. Giffords?
Pundit Press ^ | 1/8/11 | Aurelius
Today, House Representative Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot in the head while holding a public event in Tucson, Arizona. Another eleven were also shot; Giffords was reportedly shot at "point blank range." Giffords and those shot were then rushed to the hospital.
In the short term, with few answers out there, the major question arises: who shot Representative Giffords and why? One startling possibility: an angry Daily Kos reader named "BoyBlue" may be behind the shooting.
In a diary written just two days ago, BoyBlue wrote a diary exclaiming that Rep. Giffords was "DEAD to me!" The headline was followed by a rambling diary that contained a passage in which BoyBlue stated that he "shot [himself] in the mouth in a serious suicide attempt" after his same-sex partner left him.
BoyBlue then went on a diatribe against Giffords, writing (with language cleaned up):
"Today, just a little while ago, I saw on Andrea Mitchell Reports (out of the one eye in can still see out of) that Giffords voted AGAINST Nancy Pelosi as our Minority Leader. Rhetorical question: I fought back from my condition and jumped in with both feet to help Gabrielle Giffords for THIS s**t???"
(Excerpt) Read more at punditpress.blogspot.com ...
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the only person I blame is the NUT who pulled the trigger
THIS!!!!
all the idiots chomping at the bit to blame the reps 240 included should realize that there are crazy bastards all over...
didnt here anyone of you complaining when obama was calling the reps the "enemy" and when they were being compared to terrorist and being called hostage takers
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THIS!!!!
all the idiots chomping at the bit to blame the reps 240 included should realize that there are crazy bastards all over...
didnt here anyone of you complaining when obama was calling the reps the "enemy" and when they were being compared to terrorist and being called hostage takers
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I haven't seen 240 blame anyone other than the shooter
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an Obama "henchman" CT is just fucking stupid. Assuming that this is related to Palins hit list is a reactionary assumption. This person is mostly likely fucked in the head first and anything else afterward is just whatever he latched on to and twisted around in his own fucked up head.
She was in favor of increased federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research so maybe the shooter is some nutbag pro-lifer. Those people already have a history of killing people
exactly
havent heard anything from her before this but from what i hear now she seems like one of the good ones :-\
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she'd better pray that this mofo is not some psycho totally infatuated with her that acted driven by desire to impress her or something totally retarded like that.
Why? John Hinckley, Jr. shot Reagan in an attempt to impress Jodie Foster. Didn't stop her career.
I'm guessing that you're probably frothing at the mouth hoping this can be linked to Palin in some way.
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tony, i did a screenshot. it's back up now and the Target image has been removed. Her first reaction to this news is "get that thing off the site!", which is odd.
however, it's being retweeted on every blog in america right now.
And re-read my posts, tony. Sounds like 20 people shot, and she was no friend to the other side of the border. It could very well be related to that. Gangs are getting more and more bold. We can't jump to conclusions.
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a lot of pages are vanishing right now. This one is gone, some guy talking about her being on his personal hit list. you can only see it via cache. removed today.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ebm0hQ95BBEJ:hubpages.com/hub/Sarah-Palin-Target-ID-Gabrielle-Giffords+age+21+tucson+giffords&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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I haven't seen 240 blame anyone
LOL you can see him setting it up, saying palin is scrubbing her site, bullshit its up and running...
anybody that knows 240 knows his style and sees this coming
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I haven't seen 240 blame anyone other than the shooter
I didn't blame anyone.
The list was a VERY bad idea. But we DO NOT know if it is related in any way whatsoever. We must not jump to any conclusions.
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tony, i did a screenshot. it's back up now and the Target image has been removed. Her first reaction to this news is "get that thing off the site!", which is odd.
however, it's being retweeted on every blog in america right now.
And re-read my posts, tony. Sounds like 20 people shot, and she was no friend to the other side of the border. It could very well be related to that. Gangs are getting more and more bold. We can't jump to conclusions.
http://www.sarahpac.com/
i got to it, do you think that maybe her site maybe experiencing heavy traffic right now?
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Amazing how the3 libs are frothing on all sites hoping this can be traced to palin. Truly sick.
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If you can't see what 240 is alluding to his posts in this thread then you are clearly a moron.
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Yeah, it could still very well be completely unrelated to Palin's Hit List which contained the victim's name.
This *could* be her Huck moment - only much, much worse - and we are seeing her not scramble to scrub her site of the target lists.
What a horrible story all around. Hopefully this is completely unrelated to politics. Reports say she was talking before going into surgery, but other reports say much worse. Press conference in 12 minutes.
again already setting it up ::)
dont try that walk the fence bull shit 240
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240 is very transparent in his trying to tie this to palin wihout any proof. Amazing, even in a tradgedy, he has to turn this into a palin thread.
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http://www.sarahpac.com/
i got to it, do you think that maybe her site maybe experiencing heavy traffic right now?
link works just fine, has the last 2 times i clicked on it... ::)
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240 is very transparent in his trying to tie this to palin wihout any proof. Amazing, even in a tradgedy, he has to turn this into a palin thread.
His obsession, even in a thread with a topic like this, is quite despicable and very, very creepy. :-\
Site works for me, too.
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So far the authorities have only released the sex and age of the shooter.
If he was white they would have released that as well, with the delay in releasing ethinicity/color etc they are probably letting things "cool down" a bit before releasing everything.
At least that is my opinion. I could be wrong, but in the back of my head, knowing the media...this may very well be true.
If he is an illegal or an illegal that is a member of a cartel.....I think this may be a sign that our Govt. needs to take the border a but more seriously.
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On Foxnews just said the state senator is told this guy might be a afghan war vet.
This night be McVeigh redux if it turns out to be true. Damn.
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On Foxnews just said the state senator is told this guy might be a afghan war vet.
This night be McVeigh redux if it turns out to be true. Damn.
If that is true than we should all get ready for a media feeding frenzy on our "Crazy, Insane, Out of Control, Murdering Veterans". I can't wait for all the demonization, sensationalist stories short on facts and such. Should be a good time.
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heard it reported earlier that a child has passed...
sad sad shit man
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has the target image been removed form her site?
Regardless, nobody is blaming her. She delivered a VERY tasteless image which is the ONLY known connection to this poor congresswoman and gun violence. But it may not be relevant.
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If that is true than we should all get ready for a media feeding frenzy on our "Crazy, Insane, Out of Control, Murdering Veterans". I can't wait for all the demonization, sensationalist stories short on facts and such. Should be a good time.
Don't know - Shep Smith just made a statement saying this guys name had to be run through the terror watch list.
Who the hell knows at this point.
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has the target image been removed form her site?
Regardless, nobody is blaming her. She delivered a VERY tasteless image which is the ONLY known connection to this poor congresswoman and gun violence. But it may not be relevant.
Just fucking stop already.
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If that is true than we should all get ready for a media feeding frenzy on our "Crazy, Insane, Out of Control, Murdering Veterans". I can't wait for all the demonization, sensationalist stories short on facts and such. Should be a good time.
not only that... but Gov brewer just loosened gun permit restrictions. Criminals don't follow gun laws anyway, but this sure won't help things.
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has the target image been removed form her site?
Regardless, nobody is blaming her. She delivered a VERY tasteless image which is the ONLY known connection to this poor congresswoman and gun violence. But it may not be relevant.
Give it a rest already. You're not slick enough with your words to cover up the blatant game you're playing here.
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Damn - a Federal Judge was also killed at this same event.
Get ready folks - its going to be mattresses time.
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not only that... but Gov brewer just loosened gun permit restrictions. Criminals don't follow gun laws anyway, but this sure won't help things.
Are you fucking serious? GMAFB with your nonsense already.
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Are you fucking serious? GMAFB with your nonsense already.
It's pretty tasteless that he's playing games with a tragedy like this. Talk about a lack of class. :-\
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Are you fucking serious? GMAFB with your nonsense already.
DUDE!! I'm looking at the political angle on this - you KNOW i sure as hell support permits and open carry for all. I'm saying democrats may try to exploit this for anti-carry legislation.
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DUDE!! I'm looking at the political angle on this - you KNOW i sure as hell support permits and open carry for all. I'm saying democrats may try to exploit this for anti-carry legislation.
why dont you start another thread for your politcal trolling 240
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why dont you start another thread for your politcal trolling 240
Read page 1. NEURO brought up palin, dude.
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I can picture 240 and the MSM right this moment sitting at their desks with raging hard-ons and shit-eating grins, rubbing their collective dicks raw with the prospect of hanging this around the neck of someone with right-wing ties.
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Read page 1. NEURO brought up palin, dude.
well i guess that makes you posts appropriate then...
this should not be a thread where you try to connect the dots to palin or some rep organization...
this should be a thread for news...
troll elsewhere
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Suspect 22 y/o white male, Fox News saying Afghan War Vet.
McVeigh redux all over again.
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tony, ask the mods to split it. There is a potential for TONS of political ramifications. Split the thread, mods. Turn this into a memorial thread and move Neuro's question and reponses to that, over to another thread.
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tony, ask the mods to split it. There is a potential for TONS of political ramifications. Split the thread, mods. Turn this into a memorial thread and move Neuro's question and reponses to that, over to another thread.
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tony, ask the mods to split it. There is a potential for TONS of political ramifications. Split the thread, mods. Turn this into a memorial thread and move Neuro's question and reponses to that, over to another thread.
dude just police your fuking self you jack ass ::)
Start your own thread
I swear dude
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From Twitter:
BreakingNews Breaking News
RT @RussertXM_NBC: Federal authorities identify the gunman as Jared Laughner of Arizona, born September 1988
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240 has become a bigger troll than I am.
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The person that died was a child...
just plain shitty man
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really dissappointed in 240 :'( :'(
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the shooter's youtube channel
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odd, a mind control video ???
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The person that died was a child...
just plain shitty man
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the shooter's youtube channel
Profile
Name:Jared Lee LoughnerChannel Views:271Joined:October 25, 2010Website:http://Myspace.com/fallenasleepAbout Me: My name is Jared Lee Loughner! Hometown:TucsonCountry:United StatesSchools:I attended school: Thornydale elementary,Tortolita Middle School, Mountain View Highschool, Northwest Aztec Middle College, and Pima Community College.Interests:My favorite interest was reading, and I studied grammar. Conscience dreams were a great study in college!Movies:(*My idiom: I could coin the moment!*)Music:Pass me the strings!
Books:I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.
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the shooter's youtube channel
supposed shooter right?
has it been confirmed?
wierd shit none the less
anyone confirm he is a vet?
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this guy sounds insane:
Fraud
If I'm not receiving the purchase from a payment then I'm a victim of fraud. I'm not receiving the purchase from a payment. Therefore, I'm a victim of fraud.
All purchases for an educational course in The United States as of now are unconstitutional in the United States of America because of Section 10 in the United States of America's Constitution. A student paying for a Pima Community College course is a purchase for an educational course in the United States as of now. Therefore, a student paying for a Pima Community College course is unconstitutional in the United States of America because of Section 10 in the United States of America's Constitution.
If you're receiving a grade from Pima Community College class then the grade you're receiving is unconstitutional because of the United States Bill of Rights. You're receiving a grade from Pima Community College class. Therefore, the grade you're receiving is unconstitutional because of the United States Bill of Rights. The grading you purchase from Pima Community College is unconstitutional at tuition.
The United States Department of Education is allowing unconstitutional education facility's to operate or the United States Department of Education is allowing free constitutional education facility's to operate. The United States Department of Education isn't allowing unconstitutional education facility's to operate. Thus, the United States Department of Education is allowing free constitutional education facility's to operate.
If the police remove you from the educational facility for talking then removing you from the educational facility for talking is unconstitutional in the United States. The police remove you from the educational facility for talking. Thus, removing you from the educational facility for talking is unconstitutional in the United States. This situation is fraud because the police are unconstitutional!
Every police officer in the United States as of now is unconstitutionally working. Pima Community College police are police in the United States. Therefore, Pima Community College police are unconstitutionally working. The police are unconstitutionally working!
All United States of America's college programs are unconstitutional colleges that's in accordance with the United States of America's Constitution. Pima Community College is a United States of America's college program. Hence, Pima Community College is an unconstitutional college that's in accordance with the United States of America's Constitution.
Every Pima Community College class is using free sources for education from the internet. Algebra is a Pima Community College class. Thus, Algebra is a free source for education from the internet. Every Pima Community College class is always a scam!
If you're literate in English grammar then you know English grammar. You don't know English grammar. Thus, you're not literate in English grammar. Most of the teachers and students at Pima Community College are illiterate.
If I'm thinking of adding the 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system then I'm thinking of creating 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system. I'm thinking of adding the 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system. Thus, I'm thinking of creating 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system. You control the grammar!
Don't be scared to know you can't find the location of a subject: Most students can't locate a subject! Most people know all the subjects are for mind control and brainwash! The students are unconstitutionally paying for free education! The students are attending a torture facility! You know the teachers are con artists?
You now know - every college's unconstitutional crime! You shouldn't pay unconstitutional money for free speech! Don't trust the current government, listener!
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supposed shooter right?
has it been confirmed?
wierd shit none the less
anyone confirm he is a vet?
I believe confirmed. what an oddball. It's hard to understand what he's trying to say in the shit he writes.
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yea that dude is odd
supposedly a 2nd shooter has been arrested.
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LOL, WTF?
"If you're editing of every belief and religion reaches the final century then the writer for every belief and religion is you.
You're editing of every belief and religion reaches the final century.
Thus, the writer for every belief and religion is you.
You control every -- thought, action, and lifestyle -- for the person or people as the mind controller.
I'm able to control every belief and religion by being the mind controller."
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yea that dude is odd
supposedly a 2nd shooter has been arrested.
and looking for a third person I guess.
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Sounds like Palin motivated him to go after her. ::) ::) ::)
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MSNBC already whining about high capacity magazines/clips.
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LOL, WTF?
"If you're editing of every belief and religion reaches the final century then the writer for every belief and religion is you.
You're editing of every belief and religion reaches the final century.
Thus, the writer for every belief and religion is you.
You control every -- thought, action, and lifestyle -- for the person or people as the mind controller.
I'm able to control every belief and religion by being the mind controller."
that is some weird as shit man
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MSNBC already whining about high capacity magazines/clips.
I have no doubt its going to be mattresses time for awhile now.
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the child was a 9 year old girl :'( :-\
that sick bastard >:(
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MSNBC already whining about high capacity magazines/clips.
I guess they are upset the Palin angle you were praying to be true didnt pan out as hoped for.
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OMG, look at the video that he has favorited:
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I have no doubt its going to be mattresses time for awhile now.
ths shooter was a terrorist, plain and simple. attempted political assassination, plain and simple.
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Yesh 240 - a real palin/tea party type right there.
::) ::)
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ths shooter was a terrorist, plain and simple. attempted political assassination, plain and simple.
Sounds more like a freak of nature seeking a name for himself more than anything.
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this dude seems like a straight up psycho hopefully if there is a 2nd gunman that they give us more of a clue to this event.
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Yesh 240 - a real palin/tea party type right there.
::) ::)
The guy is just a nut. someone was reporting that he posts on freerepublic but I haven't checked that out. Someone said shit is being taken down from him so it may be hard to find. If this is the guy burning the flag in the above video, I doubt he's a tea party member. Reading his stuff, I think he's just insane.
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The guy is just a nut. someone was reporting that he posts on freerepublic but I haven't checked that out. Someone said shit is being taken down from him so it may be hard to find. If this is the guy burning the flag in the above video, I doubt he's a tea party member. Reading his stuff, I think he's just insane.
That last video was truly bizarre.
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What is with the mind control crap always in the picture with these nuts?
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The Communist Manifesto in his reading list. Sounds like a far-lefty!
I mean, false flag, CIA, Illuminati, Free Masons, NWO, police state, blah, blah, blah.
What is with the mind control crap always in the picture with these nuts?
Stupid people tend to gravitate towards the same stupid topics. :)
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4688107
240 - what name do you post under at DU?
BTW - these people are disgusting.
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I guess they are upset the Palin angle you were praying to be true didnt pan out as hoped for.
no matter what you say you can't ignore the FACT she was on Palin's " hit list" and Bachmann told people to be armed and dangerous, or that Sharon Angle adviced people to "use those 2nd amendment remedies". :-\ until more info comes out any scenario is possible.
BTW this is what her father said when asked if she had any enemies. "Yeah," he told The Post. "The whole tea party."
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Communist Manifesto in his reading list. Sounds like he's a far-left nutjob who was dissatisfied with the government not being far enough to the left. :-\
Not surprising, actually. Most far-lefties have no regard for human life.
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no matter what you say you can't ignore the FACT she was on Palin's " hit list" and Bachmann told people to be armed and dangerous, or that Sharon Angle adviced people to "use those 2nd amendment remedies". :-\ until more info comes out any scenario is possible.
either way it was obvious that nobody was advocating violence and if you dont understand that youre as idiotic as the shooter himself ::)
anybody trying to connect the two is just plain stupid
we didnt hear you complain when obama called reps the enemy or terrorist/hostage takers...
fact is there are crazy ppl who do crazy shit
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reported that someone in the crowd exchanged fire with the shooter as well as security guards
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What's the likelihood the shooter was a racist hater of Mexicans, immigration reform and The Dream Act, who thought he was committing a patriotic act by shooting this woman and public servant in the head? ::) Fucking sick, cowardly bastard. >:(
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or a communist psycho?
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What's the likelihood the shooter was a racist hater of Mexicans, immigration reform and The Dream Act, who thought he was committing a patriotic act by shooting this woman and public servant in the head? ::) Fucking sick, cowardly bastard. >:(
Very little jackass. Check out his youtube page you stupid racist hack.
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Here is a pic of this loon
http://twitpic.com/3o8ajp
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Very little jackass. Check out his youtube page you stupid racist hack.
So the shooter has a YouTube page? Gee, very easy to trace back
I also find it odd that nobody on here has mentioned the mail bombs in Annapolis and Washington, DC.
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HE WAS A LEFT WING NUT
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Alleged Shooter Jared Loughner May Have Met Rep. Giffords Previously
Glynnis MacNicol | Jan. 8, 2011, 4:43 PM | 278 | 1
A woman named Caitie Parker has been tweeting that she went to school with Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' alleged shooter Jared Loughner and that he had met Giffords previously.
Also," he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class" and "As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/woman-who-says-she-went-to-school-with-alleged-shooter-says-he-met-giffords-in-2007-2011-1#ixzz1AU4AOQ33
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:o
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1
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Alleged Shooter Jared Loughner May Have Met Rep. Giffords Previously
Glynnis MacNicol | Jan. 8, 2011, 4:43 PM | 278 | 1
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A woman named Caitie Parker has been tweeting that she went to school with Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' alleged shooter Jared Loughner and that he had met Giffords previously.
Also," he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class" and "As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/woman-who-says-she-went-to-school-with-alleged-shooter-says-he-met-giffords-in-2007-2011-1#ixzz1AU4AOQ33
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Favorite books: The Communist Manifesto, Animal Farm
Sounds like a right-winger! ::)
HE WAS A LEFT WING NUT
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Alleged Shooter Jared Loughner May Have Met Rep. Giffords Previously
Glynnis MacNicol | Jan. 8, 2011, 4:43 PM | 278 | 1
A woman named Caitie Parker has been tweeting that she went to school with Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' alleged shooter Jared Loughner and that he had met Giffords previously.
Also," he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class" and "As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/woman-who-says-she-went-to-school-with-alleged-shooter-says-he-met-giffords-in-2007-2011-1#ixzz1AU4AOQ33
Ouch. Like I said above, it wouldn't surprise me if this guy was really far-left and disgruntled with his opinion that the lefties in power aren't lefty enough.
Cue 240 and Danny going onto suicide watch!
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Schizophrenic... Manic...
Is the shooter a getbiger?
"The shooter, Jared Laughner, is under police custody. He is described as a "young, mid-to-late 20s, white, clean-shaven"
"As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy."
http://www.businessinsider.com/woman-who-says-she-went-to-school-with-alleged-shooter-says-he-met-giffords-in-2007-2011-1
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240 & Danny - SSSSTTTFFFUUUU w your Palin nonsense,
BTW - there are more tweets at the link I provided. This loon harrassed her before and was likely pissed off she was not pursuing a communist freak show agenda.
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Schizophrenic... Manic...
Is the shooter a getbiger?
No probably more along the lines of this guy...
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Alleged Shooter Jared Loughner May Have Met Rep. Giffords Previously
Glynnis MacNicol | Jan. 8, 2011, 4:43 PM | 278 | 1
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A woman named Caitie Parker has been tweeting that she went to school with Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' alleged shooter Jared Loughner and that he had met Giffords previously.
Also," he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since
'07 in a sign language class" and "As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/woman-who-says-she-went-to-school-with-alleged-shooter-
says-he-met-giffords-in-2007-2011-1#ixzz1AU4AOQ33
that was then,about 3-4 yrs ago, he could have changed affiliations, or went off the deep end...when you go left enough, you start to go right (take your hand and turn to the left--you'll see what I mean)
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Only in america. This is what happens when you allow everyone to have a gun
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that was then,about 3-4 yrs ago, he could have changed affiliations, or went off the deep end...when you go left enough, you start to go right (take your hand and turn to the left--you'll see what I mean)
same thing with going to far right bro...
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The man is a criminal.
And it's an attack on our society, regardless of the political affiliation of the congress woman.
Lets point fingers later. Right now I just think the main thing is she survives, recovers and that our democracy remains intact.
The fear I have is that this will only lead to even bigger distances between the politicians and their voters.
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His favorite book is the communist manifesto and Mein Kamph which called for national socialism.
This guy is a typical communist pothead.
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His favorite book is the communist manifesto and Mein Kamph which called for national socialism.
This guy is a typical communist pothead.
All signs point to him being a far-left nutjob.
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Only in america. This is what happens when you allow everyone to have a gun
(http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/jq4lyahm/1294522905797.jpg)
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Being reported he was anti-God and pissed off that he was given a bible at the military recruit station.
Yeah 240 - a real tea party/palin/beck fan. ::) ::)
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The man is a criminal.
And it's an attack on our society, regardless of the political affiliation of the congress woman.
Lets point fingers later. Right now I just think the main thing is she survives, recovers and that our democracy remains intact.
The fear I have is that this will only lead to even bigger distances between the politicians and their voters.
I think this guy is a straight up psycho, i mean psychopath not sociopath
delusional, breaks with reality, delusions of granduer...this dude is whacked
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no matter what you say you can't ignore the FACT she was on Palin's " hit list" and Bachmann told people to be armed and dangerous, or that Sharon Angle adviced people to "use those 2nd amendment remedies". :-\ until more info comes out any scenario is possible.
BTW this is what her father said when asked if she had any enemies. "Yeah," he told The Post. "The whole tea party."
Loughner...... Confirmed Leftist by Friend on Twitter
Twitter ^ | 1-9-11 | Caitie Parker
Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:05:00 PM by blasater1960
caitieparker Caitie Parker @ @lakarune I haven't seen him since '07. Then, he was left wing.
caitieparker Caitie Parker @ @antderosa As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.
(Excerpt) Read more at twitter.com ...
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Pretty sure his reading list had Mein Kampf on it. Funny how communist manifesto is getting all the attention here.
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caitieparker
.This is a circus. Good Morning America just called me.
less than 5 seconds ago via Twitter for iPhone .@antderosa it's loughner just checked my year book.
less than 20 seconds ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to antderosa
.@lakarune I haven't seen him since '07. Then, he was left wing.
25 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to lakarune
.@noboa more left. I haven't seen him since '07 though. He became very reclusive.
27 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to noboa
.@antderosa he had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in '06, & dropped out of school. Mainly loner very philosophical.
29 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to antderosa
.@antderosa As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.
33 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to antderosa
.@antderosa he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class
35 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to antderosa
.@antderosa He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in '07, asked her a question & he told me she was "stupid & unintelligent"
37 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to antderosa
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Only in america. This is what happens when you allow everyone to have a gun
dumbest thing ive heard yet today
you think he would have been able to shoot so many people if the people in attendance were carrying?
you're the kind of idiot who cries out to outlaw guns after every school shooting in which the gunman was able to murder a dozen people when they could be stopped by a teacher who should have a gun in his desk. use your fucking brain.
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caitieparker.
This is a circus. Good Morning America just called me.
less than 5 seconds ago via Twitter for iPhone .@antderosa it's loughner just checked my year book.
less than 20 seconds ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to antderosa
.@lakarune I haven't seen him since '07. Then, he was left wing.
25 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to lakarune
.@noboa more left. I haven't seen him since '07 though. He became very reclusive.
27 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to noboa
.@antderosa he had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in '06, & dropped out of school. Mainly loner very philosophical.
29 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to antderosa
.@antderosa As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.
33 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to antderosa
.@antderosa he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class
35 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to antderosa
.@antderosa He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in '07, asked her a question & he told me she was "stupid & unintelligent"
37 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to antderosa
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Very little jackass. Check out his youtube page you stupid racist hack.
You are an ADMITTED racist, so you have NO credibility, you shit hole.
Arizona Rep. Giffords shot, at least 5 killed
By TERRY TANG, AMANDA LEE MYERS and DAVID ESPO, Associated Press Terry Tang, Amanda Lee Myers And David Espo, Associated Press –
Giffords was first elected to Congress amid a wave of Democratic victories in the 2006 election, and she won a narrow victory against a tea party favorite in the 2010 election.
She has been mentioned as a possible Democratic nominee in 2012 for the U.S. Senate seat held by Republican Jon Kyl, who has not said whether he'll run again, or for the governor's office in 2014.
The shooting comes amid a highly charged political environment that has seen several dangerous threats against lawmakers but nothing that reached the point of actual violence.
A San Francisco man upset with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's support of health care reform pleaded guilty to threatening the Democratic congresswoman and her family, calling her directly on March 25 and threatening to destroy her Northern California home if she voted for health care reform.
In July, a California man known for his anger over left-leaning politics engaged in a shootout with highway patrol officers after planning an attack on the ACLU and another nonprofit group. The man said he wanted to "start a revolution" by killing people at the ACLU and the Tides Foundation.
Giffords herself has drawn the ire of the right, especially for her support of the health care bill from politicians like Sarah Palin.
Her Tucson office was vandalized a few hours after the House vote to approve the health care law in March, with someone either kicking or shooting out a glass door and window. In an interview after the vandalism, Giffords referred to the animosity against her by conservatives. Palin listed Giffords' seat as one of the top "targets" in the midterm elections because of the lawmakers' support for the health care law.
"For example, we're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is, that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they have to realize that there are consequences to that action," Giffords said in an interview with MSNBC.
In the hours after the shooting, Palin issued a statement in which she expressed her "sincere condolences" to the family of Giffords and the other victims.
Capitol police responded to the shooting by advising lawmakers and their staff to "take reasonable and prudent precautions regarding their personal security."
Despite her clashes with the right, Giffords describes herself as a former Republican and current Blue Dog Democrat.
"You know, actually as a former Republican, you know, I consider myself someone who is pretty in the middle, I'm a blue dog Democrat, and one that is interested in making sure that our country maintains our prosperity and frankly, our superiority over other countries and that's where we look at these threat, obviously our defense budget, our level of education," she said in an interview with Fox News Channel this week.
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Only in america. This is what happens when you allow everyone to have a gun
The suicide vests they use in pakistan are pretty effective have to give you that. fucktard.
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I guess this loon being a left wing commie means nothing to you? Got it.
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Did you feel that same way when obama called reps the "enemy" and terrorists/hostage takers benny?
didnt hear you bitching then...
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I just don't think this is the time to start with finger pointing.
FFS.
For what it's worth, Jesus had a pretty good thing to say about things like this: "He who is without sin should throw the first rock"
Meaning, perhaps both political sides and the certain "media profiles" (Hi Keith and Glenn) needs to start looking at how they depict political opponents.
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This woman was a right leaning Demo. I'll bet this left wing commie piece of shit was pissed off that she was trying to shut down the border.
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I just don't think this is the time to start with finger pointing.
FFS.
For what it's worth, Jesus had a pretty good thing to say about things like this: "He who is without sin should throw the first rock"
Meaning, perhaps both political sides and the certain "media profiles" (Hi Keith and Glenn) needs to start looking at how they depict political opponents.
Why didnt you say that at the outset when 240 danny and other said it was palins fault?
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Communism is driving people to do desperate things...
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will you guys fucking stop with the quest to label this guy a rightwinger or leftwinger... good fucking god man, it takes about 3 seconds reading his words to see that he's extremely damaged mentally. his views are out in kookoo land. It's hard to even understand what the guy is trying to say, it's so strange. With someone so mentally ill, is there a point in labeling him left or right? His own understanding of left and right would probably leave us wondering, WTF like everything else the guy has wrote. This guy goes in the "completely nuts" category--the end.
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I just don't think this is the time to start with finger pointing.
FFS.
For what it's worth, Jesus had a pretty good thing to say about things like this: "He who is without sin should throw the first rock"
Meaning, perhaps both political sides and the certain "media profiles" (Hi Keith and Glenn) needs to start looking at how they depict political opponents.
I agree but at the same time no matter what someone else says, the individual takes it upon themselves to commit acts such as this...
a rational person would know that this isnt going to accomplish anything for their cause and would choose another path.
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Why didnt you say that at the outset when 240 danny and other said it was palins fault?
I just came off work, saw about this shit going down literally 20 minutes ago. I'm trying to get up to speed with both fox and cnns webcasts.
Terrible thing to happen.
It always makes me feel very bad when stuff like this happens. Because it really puts our democracy to the test.
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I like it how the Tea Party gets offended when they are stereotyped as a marginal group of racist crazies and stuff like this happens :D. If it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, then........
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I agree Hugo - but everywhere all over the polace they immediately tried to tie this to palin, health care, tea party, etc, when obviously it has nothing to do with that.
And people on thisd site like benny 240 and danny and other loons run with it.
I agree this guy is a lone nut and it should be left at that, but crap like we got from 240 benny and danny deserved tyo be refuted.
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LOL... This dude has some serious brain damage: Read this crap... WTF is he talking about?
"=|
If there's no flag in the constitution then the flag in the film is unknown.
There's no flag in the constitution.
Therefore, the flag in the film is unknown.
Burn every new and old flag that you see.
Burn your flag!
I bet you can imagine this in your mind with a faster speed.
Watch this protest in reverse!
Ask the local police; "What's your illegal activity on duty?".
If you protest the government then there's a new government from protesting.
There's not a new government from protesting.
Thus, you aren't protesting the government.
There's something important in this video: There's no communication to anyone in this location.
You shouldn't be afraid of the stars.
There's a new bird on my right shoulder. The beak is two feet and lime green. The rarest bird on earth, there's no feathers, but small grey scales all over the body. It's with one large red eye with a light blue iris. The bird feet are the same as a woodpecker. This new bird and there's only one, the gender is not female or male. The wings of this bird are beautiful; 3 feet wide with the shape of a bald eagle that you could die for. If you can see this bird then you will understand. You think this bird is able to chat about a government?
I want you to imagine a comet or meteoroid coming through the atmosphere.
On the other hand, welcome yourself to the desert: Maybe your ability to protest is from the brainwash of the current g"
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Why are you clowns so desperate to label this guy right or left wing? He killed innocent people, including a child. He wasn't left or right, he was a psychopath. Anyone sitting around watching FOX or MSNBC hoping that the shooter was a member of the tea party or a left wing loony tune, is a mental midget.
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same thing with going to far right bro...
Exactly, you end up in the same area---both extremes have the exact same thing in common...
This dude was so far into La-la land he didn't know good from bad, left from right, up from down...only what he thought matter..this should be cautionary to those who keep pushing certain agendas on here (ahem), you get too warped in a alternate reality, where only your view matters, no matter how narrow minded it maybe.
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Holy shit man
http://ronbosoldier.blogspot.com/
"Saturday, January 08, 2011
EARLY REPORTS SAY ARIZONA ASSASSIN WAS LEFTIST AND DRUG USER
•Old Schoolmate of Shooter Claims He was a Liberal Druggie (Twitter)
Here are some tweets from someone who allegedly knew the shooter.
Caitie Parker @catieparker
Saying Jared Laughner was the gunman. Really hoping that's not the same guy I went to HS with, really good friend. Freaking out right now!!!
Catie Parker
Official I went to high school & college, & was in a band w/ the gunman. I can't even fathom this right now.
Catie Parker
He was a poticial radical & met Giffords once before on '07, asked her a question & he told me she was "stupid & unintelligent"
Catie Parker
He was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix, The DOors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class
Catie Parker
As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.
Catie Parker
he had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in '06, & dropped out of school. Mainly loner very philosophical.
Catie Parker
more left. I haven't seen him since '07 though. He became very reclusive.
Catie Parker
it's loughner just checked my year book.
Catie Parker
This is a circus. Good Morning America just called me.
•MOTIVE: CONGRESSWOMAN VOTED AGAINST NANCY PELOSI.
SHOOTER SAID_
(This page has been scrubbed but here is the cache) My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me! by BoyBlue Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:07:17 AM PST I am from the Tucson area and live in Congresswoman, Gabrielle Giffords' district. I worked like a dog for her elections when she was in the Arizona House, surrounded by rightwing nutcases. When Arizona re-districted in 2002, a seat opened up and she was right smack in the middle of it. So was I because I live in Oro Valley, Arizona, which is at the heart of that..."
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She is also Jewish. Maybe this loon was anti-semtic like most far left freaks. He also burned the flag and reportedly got pissed off when he was handed a bible in military recruit office as well said he does not believe in God.
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I agree Hugo - but everywhere all over the polace they immediately tried to tie this to palin, health care, tea party, etc, when obviously it has nothing to do with that.
And people on thisd site like benny 240 and danny and other loons run with it.
I agree this guy is a lone nut and it should be left at that, but crap like we got from 240 benny and danny deserved tyo be refuted.
I'm just saying that to everyone who tried or is trying to link this guy to left or right. After reading a bunch of this guy's crap it's clear that anyone trying to do so is also a little nuts lol... The guy is an unstable loon, period. based on his odd comments, I don't think he comprehends left or right like we do.
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Why are you clowns so desperate to label this guy right or left wing? He killed innocent people, including a child. He wasn't left or right, he was a psychopath. Anyone sitting around watching FOX or MSNBC hoping that the shooter was a member of the tea party or a left wing loony tune, is a mental midget.
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Why are you clowns so desperate to label this guy right or left wing? He killed innocent people, including a child. He wasn't left or right, he was a psychopath. Anyone sitting around watching FOX or MSNBC hoping that the shooter was a member of the tea party or a left wing loony tune, is a mental midget.
QFT
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Why didnt you say that at the outset when 240 danny and other said it was palins fault?
Where did I say it was Palin's fault you fukin lunatic????? I said she'd better pray this guy's not one of her loony fans who was infatuated with her and POSSIBLY decided to act based on that. And in my second post I said she had targeted this woman among other politicians with her stupid don't retreat, reload camp. FACTS, you fukin imbecile, nothing else. :-\
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Exactly, you end up in the same area---both extremes have the exact same thing in common...
This dude was so far into La-la land he didn't know good from bad, left from right, up from down...only what he thought matter..this should be cautionary to those who keep pushing certain agendas on here (ahem), you get too warped in a alternate reality, where only your view matters, no matter how narrow minded it maybe.
I agree, like i said no matter what others say you take it upon yourself to act in such a way...there are plenty of instances from both left and right that could be seen as inciting violence but that doesnt justify this guys or anyone elses actions.
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Where did I say it was Palin's fault you fukin lunatic????? I said she'd better pray this guy's not one of her loony fans who was infatuated with her and POSSIBLY decided to act based on that. And in my second post I said she had targeted this woman among other politicians with her stupid don't retreat, reload camp. FACTS, you fukin imbecile, nothing else. :-\
what do you think this does for pelosi, if its shown that he was a supporter of hers and his motive was that she voted against her for minority speaker?
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Any word on the 2nd shooter? was there one? arrested? any info?
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Where did I say it was Palin's fault you fukin lunatic????? I said she'd better pray this guy's not one of her loony fans who was infatuated with her and POSSIBLY decided to act based on that. And in my second post I said she had targeted this woman among other politicians with her stupid don't retreat, reload camp. FACTS, you fukin imbecile, nothing else. :-\
Funny you didnt say the same thing about Daily Kos DOING THE SAME THING!
http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/screen-shot-2011-01-08-at-3-05-33-pm.png
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Why are you clowns so desperate to label this guy right or left wing? He killed innocent people, including a child. He wasn't left or right, he was a psychopath. Anyone sitting around watching FOX or MSNBC hoping that the shooter was a member of the tea party or a left wing loony tune, is a mental midget.
It was a politically motivated attack by the sound of the title however i couldn't find anything relating him to the tea party in the article.
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what do you think this does for pelosi, if its shown that he was a supporter of hers and his motive was that she voted against her for minority speaker?
I don't know. Regardless of your affiliation, left or right, when you resort to actions like this it is obvious you have some serious mental issues, here's my take in a situation like this if the shooting is the result of any politician left or right Pelosi/ Palin/ Beck or any democrat who are known for inflamming tempers or calling for violence even if it's rhetorical they should bear responsibility. plain and simple.
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Funny you didnt say the same thing about Daily Kos DOING THE SAME THING!
http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/screen-shot-2011-01-08-at-3-05-33-pm.png
remember fucker, not everybody lives every second of their life posting politics from their Blackberry while on the treadmill ;)
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CIA false flag. ::)
remember fucker, not everybody lives every second of their life posting politics from their Blackberry while on the treadmill ;)
You're right. Some are busy running from various communist countries secret police forces. ;)
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remember fucker, not everybody lives every second of their life posting politics from their Blackberry while on the treadmill ;)
::)
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Why are you clowns so desperate to label this guy right or left wing? He killed innocent people, including a child. He wasn't left or right, he was a psychopath. Anyone sitting around watching FOX or MSNBC hoping that the shooter was a member of the tea party or a left wing loony tune, is a mental midget.
President Clinton has been warning that these Tea Party folks are dangerous.
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Arizona Assassin Obsessed With Mind Control
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars
Saturday, January 8, 2011
Jared Loughner, the gunman who shot Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and numerous other victims including a Federal Judge and a nine-year-old girl during a political event in Tucson today, was a US military recruit who was obsessed with mind control, mirroring the circumstances of many other mass shooters in history.
Loughner’s You Tube channel contains several rambling text-based videos which discuss his fascination with mind control.
In one of his online rants, Loughner said that he was a “United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix”. Reports suggest that he also may have been deployed to Afghanistan at one point.
“The mission of USMEPCOM and the Phoenix MEPS is to process individuals for enlistment or induction into the armed services,” states the website of the United States Military Entrance Processing Command.
The fact that Loughner was part of the US military and yet is being characterized as an anti-government conspiracy nutcase by the establishment media is a complete contradiction. Loughner’s multitude of viewpoints seem to transcend political classification. Watching his You Tube videos, he is clearly a schizophrenic who is obsessed with mind control and other bizarre leftfield issues of minutia.
Loughner’s vulnerable and psychotic profile, combined with his interest in mind control, mirrors other famous assassins such as Mark David Chapman, John Hinckley, as well as Columbine killers Harris & Klebold.
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CIA false flag. ::)
You're right. Some are busy running from various communist countries secret police forces. ;)
quite funny . I gotta give it to you. ::)
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I don't know. Regardless of your affiliation, left or right, when you resort to actions like this it is obvious you have some serious mental issues, here's my take in a situation like this if the shooting is the result of any politician left or right Pelosi/ Palin/ Beck or any democrat who are known for inflamming tempers or calling for violence even if it's rhetorical they should bear responsibility. plain and simple.
I disagree but its funny that you pointed to palin, i didnt see you comment on obama calling the reps enemies or terrorist/hostage takers...
ppl should be careful with their words but again a RATIONAL person would know this wouldnt help their cause and choose another path
this dude sounds like a straight up pyscho
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Arizona Assassin Obsessed With Mind Control
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars
Saturday, January 8, 2011
Jared Loughner, the gunman who shot Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and numerous other victims including a Federal Judge and a nine-year-old girl during a political event in Tucson today, was a US military recruit who was obsessed with mind control, mirroring the circumstances of many other mass shooters in history.
Loughner’s You Tube channel contains several rambling text-based videos which discuss his fascination with mind control.
In one of his online rants, Loughner said that he was a “United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix”. Reports suggest that he also may have been deployed to Afghanistan at one point.
“The mission of USMEPCOM and the Phoenix MEPS is to process individuals for enlistment or induction into the armed services,” states the website of the United States Military Entrance Processing Command.
The fact that Loughner was part of the US military and yet is being characterized as an anti-government conspiracy nutcase by the establishment media is a complete contradiction. Loughner’s multitude of viewpoints seem to transcend political classification. Watching his You Tube videos, he is clearly a schizophrenic who is obsessed with mind control and other bizarre leftfield issues of minutia.
Loughner’s vulnerable and psychotic profile, combined with his interest in mind control, mirrors other famous assassins such as Mark David Chapman, John Hinckley, as well as Columbine killers Harris & Klebold.
Sounds a lot like SamsonEnterprises. Has "it" been online lately?
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CIA false flag. ::)
You're right. Some are busy running from various communist countries secret police forces. ;)
I'll see if I can come up with a theory to post on the CT board... Get some meltdowns going ;D
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It seems like a fake. But who knows. And the date is from a few weeks ago...
Also guy has a facebook site. But that's prolly totally fake.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Loughner/188450124499713
edit: it's definitely fake.
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President Clinton has been warning that these Tea Party folks are dangerous.
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haha you're a played out troll. Decided what MMA fighter, guido, or the like you want to pretend to be this week?
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I'll see if I can come up with a theory to post on the CT board... Get some meltdowns going ;D
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Not that this is important at the moment, this dude is obviously mentally derranged to some extent
Holy shit man
http://ronbosoldier.blogspot.com/
"Saturday, January 08, 2011
EARLY REPORTS SAY ARIZONA ASSASSIN WAS LEFTIST AND DRUG USER
•Old Schoolmate of Shooter Claims He was a Liberal Druggie (Twitter)
Here are some tweets from someone who allegedly knew the shooter.
Caitie Parker @catieparker
Saying Jared Laughner was the gunman. Really hoping that's not the same guy I went to HS with, really good friend. Freaking out right now!!!
Catie Parker
Official I went to high school & college, & was in a band w/ the gunman. I can't even fathom this right now.
Catie Parker
He was a poticial radical & met Giffords once before on '07, asked her a question & he told me she was "stupid & unintelligent"
Catie Parker
He was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix, The DOors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class
Catie Parker
As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.
Catie Parker
he had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in '06, & dropped out of school. Mainly loner very philosophical.
Catie Parker
more left. I haven't seen him since '07 though. He became very reclusive.
Catie Parker
it's loughner just checked my year book.
Catie Parker
This is a circus. Good Morning America just called me.
•MOTIVE: CONGRESSWOMAN VOTED AGAINST NANCY PELOSI.
SHOOTER SAID_
(This page has been scrubbed but here is the cache) My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me! by BoyBlue Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:07:17 AM PST I am from the Tucson area and live in Congresswoman, Gabrielle Giffords' district. I worked like a dog for her elections when she was in the Arizona House, surrounded by rightwing nutcases. When Arizona re-districted in 2002, a seat opened up and she was right smack in the middle of it. So was I because I live in Oro Valley, Arizona, which is at the heart of that..."
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Also had this one:
Sorry if it's a repost...
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again, read my post, he was liberal, but why are people so quick to make politics out of this?
He was a maniac, that's why he killed.
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Why are you clowns so desperate to label this guy right or left wing? He killed innocent people, including a child. He wasn't left or right, he was a psychopath. Anyone sitting around watching FOX or MSNBC hoping that the shooter was a member of the tea party or a left wing loony tune, is a mental midget.
its been reported that some ppl in the crowd and security guards exchanged fire with this fucktard.
I know its crappy but its possible that those bullets could have killed someone as well...
shitty shitty stuff man,
a 9 year old girl, if this fuck was the one who shot her there isnt a punishment suitable for him
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again, read my post, he was liberal, but why are people so quick to make politics out of this?
He was a maniac, that's why he killed.
agreed regardless of what ppl say this guy was a straight whack job...
doesnt that dumb ass falcon talk about conscience dreaming or something like that?
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its been reported that some ppl in the crowd and security guards exchanged fire with this fucktard.
I know its crappy but its possible that those bullets could have killed someone as well...
I was thinking that too.
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There will be many ct's on this.
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its in the sticky up top, iono man seems kinda wierd but who knows?
supposedly this guy shot a 9 year girl in the head, if a person is capable of walking up to a 9 year old little girl and putting a gun to their head and pulling the trigger id say they would have to be pretty fuked in the head.
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Also," he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class" and "As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/woman-who-says-she-went-to-school-with-alleged-shooter-says-he-met-giffords-in-2007-2011-1#ixzz1AUQqBfsZ
The Hammer = another lying liberal
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there was a fake facebook account put up but the youtube video is real. The myspace page was real too. The facebook was just created.
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Also," he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class" and "As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/woman-who-says-she-went-to-school-with-alleged-shooter-says-he-met-giffords-in-2007-2011-1#ixzz1AUQqBfsZ
The Hammer = another lying liberal
Whats funny is if he was conservative you would defend him and promote him as a hero :D
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shit, you know his lawyers are going to claim insanity or whatever. He might get to spend the rest of his life in a mental ward rather than getting the death penatly.
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oh brother...
now this thread is in the "Politics and Political Issues" board, when we agree this is not politics... :P clever moderators on this board for sure. ;D
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thanks for merging the threads Hugo.
Appreciate when a topic is kept in one thread... ;)
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Whats funny is if he was conservative you would defend him and promote him as a hero :D
Not a chance, no matter who it was that did this should be severely punished.
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oh brother...
now this thread is in the "Politics and Political Issues" board, when we agree this is not politics... :P clever moderators on this board for sure. ;D
It's not politics? You think this is just another random shooting ::)?
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This guy was a left wing doper and commie.
Nice try trashing tea party.
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This guy was a left wing doper and commie.
Nice try trashing tea party.
I wouldn't call him a Commie, even if his favorite book is The Communist Manifesto. That's like calling me a memeber of the NOI, when one of my favorite books is The Autobiography of Malcolm X. He clearly didn't ascribe to all the tenant of Communism, or was a card carrying member of the Communist Party, otherwise he wouldn't have involved himself in the Democratic process and worked for this Congresswoman.
He was a confused loco dude...and I'm afraid you are going to see more and more of these young people around, because gen X and Y are lost, disillusioned, and quite frankly, effed in the head...
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I've read the Communist Manifesto and the Koran. Doesn't make me either Commie or Muslim.
Just means I've studied what those ideologies/religions are based on.
As for something really interesting and disappointing is John McCain showing he's an aggressive hothead and trigger happy as always.
Setting a great example with this "well thought" statement: Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, said the attack was committed by a "wicked person who has no sense of justice or compassion."
"Whoever did this, whatever their reason, they are a disgrace to Arizona, this country and the human race, and they deserve and will receive the contempt of all decent people and the strongest punishment of the law," he said.
Nice to know that Old McGeezer has it all figured it out already. Why not let him handle the investigation, trial and sentencing. ::)
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This woman wasn't a fan of Pelosi or Obama. Looks like we've got motive!
Wouldn't be surprised if other Dems who have disagreed with Pelosi start dropping like flies.
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I've read the Communist Manifesto and the Koran. Doesn't make me either Commie or Muslim.
Just means I've studied what those ideologies/religions are based on.
As for something really interesting and disappointing is John McCain showing he's an aggressive hothead and trigger happy as always.
Setting a great example with this "well thought" statement: Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, said the attack was committed by a "wicked person who has no sense of justice or compassion."
"Whoever did this, whatever their reason, they are a disgrace to Arizona, this country and the human race, and they deserve and will receive the contempt of all decent people and the strongest punishment of the law," he said.
Nice to know that Old McGeezer has it all figured it out already. Why not let him handle the investigation, trial and sentencing. ::)
whats wrong with mccains statement hedge?
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whats wrong with mccains statement hedge?
Look.
I have no problems with the common guy feeling emotional and wanting to put a bullet in the assassin.
But as an elected official, I don't see the point of working people up even more.
I liked the Republican governor and how she handled it.
She showed compassion and focused on the pain.
Even Obama was ok.
Right now a lot of people are emotional. McCain should be trying to cool down that, be a rock to lean on so to speak.
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Look.
I have no problems with the common guy feeling emotional and wanting to put a bullet in the assassin.
But as an elected official, I don't see the point of working people up even more.
I liked the Republican governor and how she handled it.
She showed compassion and focused on the pain.
Even Obama was ok.
Right now a lot of people are emotional. McCain should be trying to cool down that, be a rock to lean on so to speak.
you mean kinda like this?
"I'm deeply saddened and shocked at the tragedy that has taken place in my home state of Arizona. The shooting of Congresswoman Giffords and the deaths of other individuals is a terrible tragedy and one that has shocked me and our nation.
The Republican says that his "prayers are with congresswoman's husband Mark and her entire family and the families of the other victims of this terrible, terrible tragedy."
http://www.seattlepi.com/national/1110ap_us_congresswoman_shot_mccain.html?source=rss
Either way I dont see anything wrong with what he said, he didnt condemn the young man in question only the person responsible, SO DID OBAMA AND THE GOV...
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Political Hacks Waste No Time In Shamelessly Exploiting Giffords Shooting To Demonize Political Oppositon
Political hacks have wasted little time in exploiting the tragic shooting of Democratic Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords to demonize their political opposition despite the gunman’s motivation being completely unknown at this time.
Huffington Post has already blamed the shooting on second amendment activists who held a meeting last year to discuss ways of politically defeating Giffords. They are also hyping speculation that a semi-automatic weapon was used.
Before it was even clear whether or not Giffords had survived, neo-lib statists were already shamelessly milking the shocking events for political gain. Our forum members also report that CNN’s David Fitsimmons is using the shooting to demonize “fringe” politics.
More updates to this story as it develops……
Giffords was a strong border control advocate and the gunman could have been someone with a grudge against her immigration policies. Hwoever, she also supported Obamacare and visited the Copenhagen global warming summit, so the murders could also be blamed on a “right-wing radical” and used to demonize the patriot movement.
The gunman was tackled by onlookers and arrested by police. He is described as a young man in his teens or early 20′s.
“The man was young, mid-to-late 20s, white clean-shaven with short hair and wearing dark clothing and said nothing during the shooting or while being held down. He didn’t look like a businessman, but more of a “fringe character,” reports Gawker.
Giffords is still alive and is now responding to commands, while other victims are in critical condition. Federal Judge John Roll has been confirmed dead.
Statement from Alex Jones: Whatever the motivation for this shooting, our hearts go out to the the Congresswoman’s family and supporters. It is important to note that, the anti-2nd Amendment, victim disarmament crowd will undoubtedly try to use this event to demonize gun owners and further restrictive legislation. Mexico has a total gun ban, and the worst record for killed and kidnapped politicians and other high-level figures in the world. With more than 28,000 dead in Mexico from the drug war, it is clear that leaving guns only in the hands of the cartels and criminals will only make us all vulnerable.
Eyewitness report from man who helped to apprehend shooter, “After shooting Giffords, the gunman opened fire indiscriminately for a few seconds, firing 20-30 rounds and hitting a number of people, including a kid no older than 10 years old. Rayle hid behind a concrete pole and pretended to be dead. When the gunman apparently ran out of ammunition he attempted to flee, but a member of Giffords’ staff tackled him. Rayle helped hold the gunman down while waiting for the sheriff to arrive, about 15-to-20 minutes later. The EMS came about 30 minutes later. Rayle said he was “stunned” by how long it took medical help to arrive.”
http://www.infowars.com/political-hacks-waste-no-time-in-shamelessly-exploiting-giffords-shooting-to-demonize-political-oppositon/
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Eyewitness report from man who helped to apprehend shooter, “After shooting Giffords, the gunman opened fire indiscriminately for a few seconds, firing 20-30 rounds and hitting a number of people, including a kid no older than 10 years old. Rayle hid behind a concrete pole and pretended to be dead. When the gunman apparently ran out of ammunition he attempted to flee, but a member of Giffords’ staff tackled him. Rayle helped hold the gunman down while waiting for the sheriff to arrive, about 15-to-20 minutes later. The EMS came about 30 minutes later. Rayle said he was “stunned” by how long it took medical help to arrive.”
http://www.infowars.com/political-hacks-waste-no-time-in-shamelessly-exploiting-giffords-shooting-to-demonize-political-oppositon/
that piece of fucking shit
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WTF w the ems?
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That is just sad :(
you likely praise the man that did it....
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Is coach a far left doper?
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Is coach a far left doper?
he is just another out of touch american thinking this dumbass political shit is a war....
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Such a tragedy. I wish the guy would have killed himself so the people of Arizona wouldn't have to waste tax dollars prosecuting him and victims' families wouldn't have to deal with him for years. It's going to be a circus.
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you likely praise the man that did it....
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You're a fucking idiot if that's what you really think.
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he is just another out of touch american thinking this dumbass political shit is a war....
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Sure I am ::)
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Wow, the guy was quite a d-bag, and sounds to be batshit crazy. he certainly wasn't representative of the mainstream views of either party. And while his motive isn't yet known, it appears to be only a coincidence that he targeted one of the people Palin asked people to target.
It doesn't look good for her in the 2012 arena. But I don't think it excludes her from taking the nod.
The list was a VERY bad idea. But we DO NOT know if it is related in any way whatsoever. We must not jump to any conclusions.
i wrote this very early on. Neuro mentioned the Palin hit list, and I responded to that. Maybe yall "know" my motives, and you think I'm trying to connect it because I think Palin is a crappy candidate that will give obama another 4 years.
But in this case, particaly the maddow take on the federal census worker who committed suicide, I actually went OUT OF MY WAY to repeatedly say we shouldn't jump to conclusions and it could have been foreign gangs, just as easily as anything else.
So, if you think you just KNOW my motive here, re-read the posts I made on the topic. Probably 5 times I repeated myself "don't jump to conclusions". If you think I'm playing reverse psychology, please, step back and stop overthinking shit. Palin's site DID go down briefly - I did a screenshot as did many on other forums. But it could have been from traffic spike... although is the Target thing off her site now?
Anyway, it's awesome to hear the Rep didn't die form her injuries, and I pray she makes a full recovery. may the shooter find solace from a well placed broomstick in prison from his cellmates one day soon. And really guys, while I think it was horribly irresponsible for Palin to use gun targets to aim at people - I don't think it was connected. She's a shitty choice for repubs in 2012, but she didn't cause this.
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240,
not even considering this psycho shooting, the "hit list" and some of the wording used by the tea party folks is simply stupid and easily taken as threating or inciting. Really, how fucking stupid is it to map out your political ambitions via scope sites on political opponents. At the very minimum it's extremely bad taste. And I sure in hell would think the same thing if some asshole on the left put scope sites on Palin or Ron Paul. Actually I'd be really pissed if they did it to Ron Paul ;D
This psycho shooter will not hurt Palin whatsoever. You have to be fucking braindead to blame Palin for what this guy did. There shouldn't be any affect on her from this. I think this guy's insanity is going to be hard to avoid and I don't think any of this bullshit trying to blame right or left is going to stick. In the end people are going to see this guy for the nut he is. I just got done reading a few threads over on freerepublic and most of them clearly identified the guy as insane. Several calling his ideology, "unique" That of course ends in a translation that can't blame anything but the shooter's insanity. This will and should be a null effect on both the right and left.
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240,
not even considering this psycho shooting, the "hit list" and some of the wording used by the tea party folks is simply stupid and easily taken as threating or inciting. Really, how fucking stupid is it to map out your political ambitions via scope sites on political opponents. At the very minimum it's extremely bad taste. And I sure in hell would think the same thing if some asshole on the left put scope sites on Palin or Ron Paul. Actually I'd be really pissed if they did it to Ron Paul ;D
This psycho shooter will not hurt Palin whatsoever. You have to be fucking braindead to blame Palin for what this guy did. There shouldn't be any affect on her from this. I think this guy's insanity is going to be hard to avoid and I don't think any of this bullshit trying to blame right or left is going to stick. In the end people are going to see this guy for the nut he is. I just got done reading a few threads over on freerepublic and most of them clearly identified the guy as insane. Several calling his ideology, "unique" That of course ends in a translation that can't blame anything but the shooter's insanity. This will and should be a null effect on both the right and left.
Of course it's the lone assassins LONE responsibility what he did.
But I think everyone needs to ask themselves what kind of rhetoric they use.
Like when Jaguar compares Bush to Hitler.
Or this:
240 - the thing is that i hate obama so much I can easily overlook Sarah's issues and easily vote for her.
Some of you guys like Obama only slightly more than Sarah and thus could not vote for her.
See the difference? I am not an objective voice on this issue by any stretch and make no pretense of this.
I honestly 10000% believe that Obama poses a clear and present danger to this nation on many levels and is at his base core a radical marxist who utterly despises this nation, its history, etc.
I dont feel the same about Palin.
240 - read this quote and think about it.
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.”
Marcus Tullius Cicero quotes (Ancient Roman Lawyer, Writer, Scholar, Orator and Statesman, 106 BC-43 BC)
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that's a dang good quote right there. I like it. :)
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.”
Marcus Tullius Cicero quotes (Ancient Roman Lawyer, Writer, Scholar, Orator and Statesman, 106 BC-43 BC)
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Why? John Hinckley, Jr. shot Reagan in an attempt to impress Jodie Foster. Didn't stop her career.
I'm guessing that you're probably frothing at the mouth hoping this can be linked to Palin in some way.
I understand why you would make such an analogy, but it doesn't quite apply here.
There are many factors that differ. For one, Jodie Foster had never uttered a word about Reagan.
Palin's PAC however, has intimated things towards Gifford and others. Secondly, Palin is a politician. Politicians are always vulnerable to repercussions, whether deserved or not.
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Alleged Shooter Jared Loughner May Have Met Rep. Giffords Previously
A woman named Caitie Parker has been tweeting that she went to school with Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' alleged shooter Jared Loughner and that he had met Giffords previously.
Also," he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class" and "As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.
The web page appears to be tracking her tweets about Jared Loughner. Hmmm. I wonder if she knows.
http://www.businessinsider.com/woman-who-says-she-went-to-school-with-alleged-shooter-says-he-met-giffords-in-2007-2011-1?sailthru_m=h2n
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Hey jerk off right wingers, "tea baggers", this fuck, Jerod Loughner, was a member of several Tea Party organizations. It was on his facebook acct. which was promptly taken down.
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This is exactly what I am talking about. Typical disgusting crap from the far left. I swear, these disgusting communists pieces of excrement never fail to dissappoint.
This is EXACTLY what I am talking about.
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Sarah Palin Criticized Over Gabrielle Giffords Presence on "Target List"
Edited on Sat Jan-08-11 08:16 PM by Turborama
Source: CBS
Updated 7:52 p.m. Eastern Time
We do not yet know what prompted 22-year-old accused gunman Jared Loughner to allegedly shoot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) and others, including a child and federal judge who died from their wounds.
But critics of Sarah Palin have already drawn a link between the shooting and the fact that the former Alaska governor put Giffords on a "target list" of lawmakers Palin wanted to see unseated in the midterm elections.
In March, Palin released a map featuring 20 House Democrats that used crosshairs images to show their districts. (You can see it here.) Critics suggested at the time that she was inciting violence by using the crosshairs imagery and for later writing on Twitter to her supporters, "'Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!'"
"We're paying particular attention to those House members who voted in favor of Obamacare and represent districts that Senator John McCain and I carried during the 2008 election," Palin wrote when she released the target list.
She specifically cited Giffords and then went to say: "We'll aim for these races and many others."
Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20027918-503544....
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Arizona Suspect’s Online Trail Offers Hints of Alienation
Edited on Sat Jan-08-11 10:24 PM Source: NY Times
WASHINGTON — His MySpace page included a photograph of a United States history textbook, on top of which he had placed a handgun. He prepared a series of Internet videos in which he posted odd statements about the gold standard, the community college he attended and SWAT teams.
Jared Lee Loughner, in these few public hints, offered a sense of his alienation from society, confusion, anger as well as foreboding that his life could soon come to an end. Friends talked of how he had become reclusive in recent years, and his public postings raised questions, in retrospect at least, about his mental state.
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There was evidence of recent trouble, though. Mr. Loughner, 22, was suspended in late September from Pima Community College, where he had been attending classes, because the school became aware of a disturbing YouTube video. Mr. Loughner voluntarily withdrew from the College on Oct. 4.
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Another former high school classmate said that Mr. Loughner’s politics were left of center, and that he may have met Representative Giffords, who was shot in the head outside the Safeway supermarket, sometime before the attack.
“As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy,” the former classmate, Caitie Parker, wrote in a series of Twitter feeds Saturday. “I haven’t seen him since ’07 though. He became very reclusive.”
Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/politics/09shooter...
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Hey jerk off right wingers, "tea baggers", this fuck, Jerod Loughfner, was a member of several Tea Party organizations. It was on his facebook acct. which was promptly taken down.
hey idiot, the facebook page was a fake. try to keep up with the news before shooting your mouth off. This was already covered in this thread.
The facebook page is fake. The myspace and youtube pages are real as far as we know now. The boyblue posts from daily kos are not from the shooter.
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Tucson shooting suspect Jared Loughner appears to have posted bizarre messages
By David A. Fahrenthold and Clarence Williams
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, January 9, 2011; 12:24 AM
The man identified by authorities as the gunman in Saturday's shooting rampage, which killed six and critically injured Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), appears to have left a trail of bizarre and anti-government messages on the Internet.
Law enforcement sources identified the gunman as Jared Lee Loughner, 22, of Tucson. Loughner -- or someone using his name -- left a series of postings and homemade videos that laid out a fervent, though largely incoherent, set of political views.
On YouTube, Loughner's profile listed Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels's "The Communist Manifesto" and Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf" among his favorite books. He also included high school English class classics such as "To Kill a Mockingbird" and "The Old Man and the Sea," plus children's works such as Aesop's fables and "The Phantom Tollbooth."
In one video, titled "America: Your last memory in a terrorist country!," a figure in dark clothing and a smiley-face mask burns an American flag in the desert. The soundtrack is a 2001 song by the band Drowning Pool, in which the singer repeatedly shrieks "Let the bodies hit the floor!"
Another, posted Dec. 15, begins with a line of text reading "My Final Thoughts: Jared Lee Loughner!" What follows on the screen are seemingly unconnected thoughts about currency and dreams, and the words "I can't trust the current government because of the ratifications: the government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar."
The videos also say that Loughner applied to join the U.S. Army. The Army issued a statement Saturday saying that he attempted to enlist but was rejected for reasons that officials would not disclose.
Another video attacks the police at Tucson's Pima Community College, where he had been a student.
School officials said in a statement late Saturday that Loughner attended the community college from 2005 until last fall, when he withdrew after disciplinary problems.
The statement said that between February and September last year, campus police were called five times to deal with disruptions Loughner caused in classrooms and libraries. On Sept. 29, the college said, it discovered that Loughner had posted a YouTube video he had made on the campus.
"In the video, he claims that the College is illegal according to the U.S. Constitution, and makes other claims," the college's statement said.
That day, two police officers delivered a letter of suspension to Loughner at his parents' house in a Tucson suburb.
On Oct. 4, during a meeting with Loughner, his parents and college administrators, he agreed to withdraw, the college said. School officials told him he could return only if he obtained a clearance certifying that "in the opinion of a mental health professional, his presence at the College does not present a danger to himself or others."
Loughner's troubled past also includes a drug arrest.
The videos do not mention Giffords by name. They do not describe any specific actions Loughner planned. And they do not seem to link Loughner explicitly to any mainstream political group or figures.
Federal law enforcement sources said Loughner used a Glock 19 semiautomatic pistol that was found with a fully loaded magazine that held about 30 bullets. He had another magazine that held about 30 bullets and two others that each held about 15 bullets. He also was carrying a knife.
The sources said he was standing about 15 feet from Giffords and started running, screaming something. Then he began firing rapidly, "pulling the trigger really fast."
An eyewitness to the shooting said a "shabby"-looking young man in dark sweats appeared as Giffords met constituents on the sidewalk.
Steven Rayle said the shooter raised a handgun and shot Giffords in the face from a few feet away. After that, Rayle said, the gunman shot repeatedly into a crowd of people who had been standing around Giffords.
"I don't think he was even aiming. He was just firing at whatever," Rayle said. After the shooting stopped, the gunman was tackled, and Rayle said he helped hold him down. Even then, Rayle said, Loughner said nothing to explain his actions.
"I think he did say something. But there was no, like, protest statement, or anything crazy," Rayle said. As people strained to hold him on the ground, "he might have just said, 'Stop.'"
Loughner's address is in a neighborhood of ranch houses and ramblers in a Tucson suburb lined with palm trees and cactus, just a few miles from the shopping center where Giffords was shot. By midafternoon, police had cordoned off an area of several blocks, as streams of reporters and other interested people rushed to the neighborhood.
In high school, Loughner played saxophone in the jazz band, and his clothes alternated between typical Arizona high school fashions - shorts and a T-shirt - and "Goth" clothes. Some days, said friend Timothy Cheves, Loughner would wear long, dark pants with chains on them, and T-shirts with the names of heavy-metal bands.
"He wasn't very outgoing, but he was personable. If you sat down to talk to him, he would talk to you back," Cheves, 22, said. "But he'd get frustrated with people easily. . . . He'd think that a lot of people were just idiots."
That included people in politics, Cheves said: "He was like a radical against both parties. . . . From what I got, it seemed like he didn't like anybody that was in power."
Cheves recalled one moment when they worked together at a restaurant, the Mandarin Grill, where Loughner was a dishwasher.
"I was trying to tell him, you know, you need to get your life on the right track," Cheves said. He believed Loughner was using marijuana. "I was telling him about God and all that. And he broke down crying, and he gave me a big ol' hug, and said, 'Thank you, you're one of the only ones that ever listened to me.' "
Loughner never talked of using violence, Cheves said, but "there was something there that wasn't quite right."
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Williams reported from Tucson.
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Democrats lash out at inflammatory rhetoric following shooting
The Hill ^ | Jan. 8, 2011 | Peter Schroeder
Following the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), some Democrats are targeting political rhetoric they say could encourage violent behavior.
Steve Israel, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said the event was "both a personal tragedy and a tragic reminder that we cannot remain silent when political rhetoric turns violent."
Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) said, "America must not tolerate violence or inflammatory rhetoric that incites political violence."
"Even though we do not have all the answers yet, we are all too familiar with the violent and polarizing climate in which we live," said Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.), the new chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus. "Those of us in leadership must be overly cautious of fanning the flames of extremism in hopes to prevent another horrendous tragedy such as this."
The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence called for a return to civil political discourse.
(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...
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That included people in politics, Cheves said: "He was like a radical against both parties. . . . From what I got, it seemed like he didn't like anybody that was in power."
I was kinda wondering this about him. From his book list to his comments to his actions, he seemed to be conflicted. He's more like the people who are disgruntled with the entire system, left and right, like I am right now and probably many others. The difference being sane vs. insane. This guy imo is clearly insane and would have been a danger to himself and others left, right or middle.
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This is exactly what I am talking about. Typical disgusting crap from the far left. I swear, these disgusting communists pieces of excrement never fail to dissappoint.
This is EXACTLY what I am talking about.
actully the obama buttlicker makes some good points.
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Again - its the double standards that get me. And send - we dont even know whether the "rhetoric" or anything else for that matter motivated this guy. Could just be a fame seeker.
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Again - its the double standards that get me. And send - we dont even know whether the "rhetoric" or anything else for that matter motivated this guy. Could just be a fame seeker.
personally I think this guy was so insane he would have been a loose cannon and danger to people no matter what. But totally aside from that, dipshit Olbermann makes some good points and even takes part of the blame himself and says that he was wrong. Obviously I don't agree with everything he said, but imo he does raise some really good points.
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America needs more guns.
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Suspect in rampage called 'very disturbed' (has made death threats before)
Arizona Daily Sun ^ | January 9 2011 | Tim Steller
The man arrested for opening fire at a community meeting held by U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Saturday -- killing six people and injuring 13 others -- disrupted classes at Pima Community College, tried to manipulate his dreams and posted rambling messages on the Internet.
The suspected shooter is Jared Lee Loughner, a 22-year-old who lives on the northwest side. He is mentally unstable and may have had an accomplice, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said Saturday evening.
A former classmate of Loughner at Pima, from which he was suspended Sept. 29 for code-of-conduct violations, said he was "obviously very disturbed."
"He disrupted class frequently with nonsensical outbursts," said Lynda Sorenson, who took a math class with Loughner last summer at Pima Community College's Northwest campus.
Dupnik said the suspected shooter has made death threats before and been contacted by law-enforcement officers. The threats weren't against Giffords, Dupnik said.
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As a middle school student, Loughner was "kind of an outcast," said Shannin Macey, who said via e-mail she attended Tortolita and Mountain View with him. In high school, Loughner was in jazz band and played the saxophone, but he dropped out in junior year, said Tommy Marriotti, who was a high-school friend of Loughner.
At the time he dropped out, Loughner was having drug problems, Marriotti said, but he seemed to do well once he started taking classes at Pima.
Loughner attended Pima courses from summer 2005 until he withdrew in October after his suspension, the college said.
He tried to enlist in the Army in 2008 but was rejected, said First Sgt. Brian Homme, who oversees Army recruiting in Tucson. Loughner was sent to Phoenix to take a test and physical, but "he was found to be unqualified," Homme said.
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Sorenson, Loughner's classmate at Pima, said he was asked to leave the pre-algebra class several times and eventually was barred from class.
Pima officials said in a news release that from February to September 2010, Loughner had five contacts with PCC police for classroom and library disruptions at Northwest and West campuses.
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shit, you know his lawyers are going to claim insanity or whatever. He might get to spend the rest of his life in a mental ward rather than getting the death penatly.
Isn't the mental ward where crazy people belong? ???
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that's a dang good quote right there. I like it. :)
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.”
Marcus Tullius Cicero quotes (Ancient Roman Lawyer, Writer, Scholar, Orator and Statesman, 106 BC-43 BC)
QFT!!!
Wow, nice quote.
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This is exactly what I am talking about. Typical disgusting crap from the far left. I swear, these disgusting communists pieces of excrement never fail to dissappoint.
This is EXACTLY what I am talking about.
Aside from the pompous self righteous holier than thou sanctimonious attitude, there's nothing wrong with what he said. I actually agree with the message put forth.
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We have no proof whatsoever what was the motive for this and he is tossing all sorts of labels and mamby pamby bs out there.
Again - where has hebeen when obama did the same thing for thew last year?
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Again - its the double standards that get me. And send - we dont even know whether the "rhetoric" or anything else for that matter motivated this guy. Could just be a fame seeker.
I don't think it really matters at this point, ...giving up the hateful rhetoric is the right thing to do.
I'm surprised it has lasted this long. It's really pretty disturbing when you think about it.
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Yes, there is definitely a lot of hateful rhetoric in the air lately. For example:
“Don’t you think we’re not keeping score, brother” – Chairman Obama
“Bring it on”- Obama Regime to The American People.
“Get ready for hand-to-hand combat with your fellow Americans” – Obama
“I want all Americans to get in each others faces! – Obama
“You bring a knife to a fight pal, we’ll bring a gun” – Obama
"Republicans are our enemies"--Obama
“I am going to strangle all Republicans who don’t agree with me politically”
– 5 Time Draft Dodger Biden
“the Cambridge Police acted Stupidly” ” – Beer Summit Gaffe Leader Obama
Last but not least the Democratic map with Republican targets on it. -- DNC
“God Damn America” – Barrack Hussein Obama’s Spiritual Advisor
“We should rip the heart right out of the chest of a former Vice President of The United States!”
– Left Wing Hate Hero And Agitator for Leftist Terrorism – Shultz
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Obama also said "reward your friends, and punish your enemies," (or something like that).
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Assassin Loughner Member of Conspiracy Site "Above Top Secret," Posts Show Hate for Christianity
Pundit Press ^ | 1/9/11 | Aurelius
As information about the assassin Jared Lee Loughner slowly comes out, new facts are slowly trickling in. One of the newest is that he was a member of the conspiracy website Above Top Secret, whose website's motto is "deny ignorance."
Under the username of "Erad3," a simple rearrangement of his first name, Loughner wrote perplexing and, quite frankly, insane posts several times on the website. Under his "More Stuff You Should Know" section, he wrote, "Eating a Chicken Pot Pie in a voting booth with the option for a Spanish vote..."
Loughner also rambled on about "infinite currency," which he also posted about on his YouTube page. In response to Loughner's ramblings, other members wrote that they were "struggling to see the point of [his] topic" and that they weren't sure what he was talking about.
Interestingly, out of all of Loughner's ramblings, one thing becomes crystal clear: his hatred for Christianity. Under his username, the assassin constantly bashed the religion; in a topic entitled, "Why does God allow the existance of people who go to hell," Loughner wrote, "God couldn't be a possible! It's being argued with unknown authors for dispute..."
In other posts, Loughner's hatred for Christianity becomes even more clear. In a topic entitled, "108 Year Old Rabbi Predicts Arrival of Messiah," Loughner wrote...
"Crap on anyone who is believing Christianity without evidence of a writer!"
(Excerpt) Read more at punditpress.blogspot.com ...
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Above Top Secret is pretty out there. But not out there enough to embrace Sorcha Faal, the writer of the majority of the articles SamsonEnterprises posts. Even they agreed that Faal is a hoax.
This guy doing a good job bringing to light just how insane most CTers are. And they wonder why they're not taken seriously. :)
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Assassin Loughner Member of Conspiracy Site "Above Top Secret," Posts Show Hate for Christianity
Pundit Press ^ | 1/9/11 | Aurelius
As information about the assassin Jared Lee Loughner slowly comes out, new facts are slowly trickling in. One of the newest is that he was a member of the conspiracy website Above Top Secret, whose website's motto is "deny ignorance."
Under the username of "Erad3," a simple rearrangement of his first name, Loughner wrote perplexing and, quite frankly, insane posts several times on the website. Under his "More Stuff You Should Know" section, he wrote, "Eating a Chicken Pot Pie in a voting booth with the option for a Spanish vote..."
Loughner also rambled on about "infinite currency," which he also posted about on his YouTube page. In response to Loughner's ramblings, other members wrote that they were "struggling to see the point of [his] topic" and that they weren't sure what he was talking about.
Interestingly, out of all of Loughner's ramblings, one thing becomes crystal clear: his hatred for Christianity. Under his username, the assassin constantly bashed the religion; in a topic entitled, "Why does God allow the existance of people who go to hell," Loughner wrote, "God couldn't be a possible! It's being argued with unknown authors for dispute..."
In other posts, Loughner's hatred for Christianity becomes even more clear. In a topic entitled, "108 Year Old Rabbi Predicts Arrival of Messiah," Loughner wrote...
"Crap on anyone who is believing Christianity without evidence of a writer!"
(Excerpt) Read more at punditpress.blogspot.com ...
Must be a blow to paranoid anti-religious extremists. ::)
Also, I am certain that if one of his former acquaintances had called him a conservative, rather a liberal, the media would have been all over it.
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The current atmosphere of hatred started in the MSM and the internet and began with George W Bush as the main target.
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The current atmosphere of hatred started in the MSM and the internet and began with George W Bush as the main target.
It actually started with Clinton. Some people really have trouble separating a person's political beliefs from the person.
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It actually started with Clinton. Some people really have trouble separating a person's political beliefs from the person.
Actually it started since the dawn of time. Many political races were far wqorse in the 1800's than even now.
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http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread648608/pg1
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This kid thought he was intelligent yet was taking pre-algebra in college. Come on, I think I had that in 6th or 7th grade. I guarantee he's got some fucked up parents at home. Maybe his parents tried to force religion on him, that never ends well.
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Actually it started since the dawn of time. Many political races were far wqorse in the 1800's than even now.
That's probably true. Politics has always been dirty. I guess in my lifetime I started to see a big change in political discourse during the Clinton years.
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This kid thought he was intelligent yet was taking pre-algebra in college. Come on, I think I had that in 6th or 7th grade. I guarantee he's got some fucked up parents at home. Maybe his parents tried to force religion on him, that never ends well.
His grammar is atrocious, too.
Has BlackenMonsAnus007 been online? ???
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I'm reading that thi9s may more have been motivatd by the NASA connection since the Copng. Lady has a lot of relatives connected with NASA and this guy is one of those "Moon Landing was faked" types.
Who knows - but lets blame Palin anyway.
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Grayson:"wasn't Gabby he was shooting, but...some cartoon version...by her political opposition"graysonforcongress.com ^ | 1/8/11 | Alan Grayson
Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2011 9:52:01 AM by Brilliant
Gabby Giffords: A Few Words
1/08/11
Alan Grayson
To Me
From: Alan Grayson (alangrayson@graysonforcongress.com)
Sent: Sat 1/08/11 6:55 PM
To: Me
A reporter called me a little while ago, and told me that Rep. Gabrielle Giffords had been shot at a public event. She is in critical condition.
I'm going to let others comment on what this means for America. I just want to say what it means to me.
Gabrielle Giffords and I served together on the House Committee on Science and Technology. She was the Chairman of the Subcommittee on Space and Aeronautics, and I was a member of that subcommittee. Her D.C. office was one floor above mine.
I saw Gabby dozens, if not hundreds of times, during our two years together. And nearly every time that I can remember, she was smiling.
Gabby is one of the most cheerful, charming and engaging people I have ever known. She's always looking on the bright side. She has something good to say about pretty much everyone. Bad news never lays a glove on her. She loves life, and all the people in it.
No matter what is going on in your life, after fifteen minutes with Gabby, you'll feel that you can touch the stars.
Everyone knew that Gabby would have a tough race in 2010. (She actually won with 49% of the vote.) But I always thought that if each of her constituents could spend that fifteen minutes with her, and see what she is really like, then she would win with 99.9% of the vote. (Same thing about Harry Teague of New Mexico, who lost, and a few others that I could name.) You would want her as your Congressman, because you would want her as your friend.
I know nothing about the man who shot Gabby, and what was going through his mind when he did this. But I will tell you this - if he shot Gabby out of hatred, then it wasn't Gabby he was shooting, but rather some cartoon version of her, drawn by her political opposition. Because there is no way - NO WAY - that anyone who really knows Gabby could hate her or hurt her. She is a kind, gentle soul.
My heart goes out to Mark Kelly, Gabby's husband, and the many, many people who love her. Gabby, we don't want to lose you. Please stay here with us.
Alan Grayson
Paid for and Authorized by the Committee to Elect Alan Grayson
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Is one of your favorite toys a remote control car?
If NASA creates a mars rover that communicates from mars then the signal reaches from the distance of mars.
The signal doesn’t reach from the distance of mars.
Nonetheless, NASA creates a mars rover that doesn’t communicate from mars.
If NASA communication signals reaches mars then NASA communication signal from the mars rover.
The NASA communication signals reaches mars
Therefore, NASA communication signals from the mars rover.
If the pictures are from mars then the mars rover is on mars.
The Mars rover is not on mars.
Therefore, the pictures are not from mars.
NASA creates a remote control rover that is impossible to reach mars.
NASA fakes the situation they plan with the mars rover.
Therefore, NASA creates a remote control rover that’s impossible to reach mars and fakes the situation they plan with the mars rover.
NASA sends the the Mars Rover to mars with communication or NASA fakes the situation.
NASA didn’t send the Mars Rover to mars with communication.
Therefore, NASA fakes the situation.
If the mars rover lands on mars with communication then NASA sent the Mars Rover to mars.
The mars rover lands on mars with communication.
Therefore, NASA sent the mars rover to mars with communication.
The distance from earth and mars is about 33,926,867.1 miles.
The distance from earth and mars changes.
Think about how NASA sends the mars rover
Think about how NASA is able to communicate from that distance.
I don't think I've ever come across a more infuriating writing style.
That's a good example of why Grayson isn't serving in congress anymore. :D
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Jared Loughner YouTube Videos, MySpace Suggest Alleged Shooter May Have Ties To Hate Group
First Posted: 01- 9-11 11:26 AM | Updated: 01- 9-11 11:34 AM
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WASHINGTON -- Jared Lee Loughner, the alleged shooter of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and others on Saturday, may have ties to anti-Semitic, anti-immigration hate group American Renaissance, according to a leaked memo from the Department of Homeland Security.
It's unclear whether Loughner maintains a direct connection to the group, however, "strong suspicion is being directed" at American Renaissance in the wake of the group being referenced in Loughner's Myspace and YouTube videos, according to the memo, which was obtained by Fox News.
American Renaissance is a white nationalist group that operates under a pseudo think tank called the New Century Foundation. The group runs a magazine and conferences based on eugenics and the superiority of whites, according to Southern Poverty Law Center.
The group considers its members to be "racial-realists," according to an "About Us" section on the American Renaissance magazine website. "Attempts to gloss over the significance of race or even to deny its reality only make problems worse," the group writes. "Progress requires the study of all aspects of race, whether historical, cultural, or biological. This approach is known as race realism."
The pseudo-science in the magazine refers to biological superiority of whites, with titles such as "Swine Flu: Is There a Racial Link?" and "Ignoring Biological Reality Means Social and Economic Catastrophe." After President Barack Obama was elected in 2008, the magazine ran a feature called "Transition to Black Rule?"
American Renaissance is opposed to the entry of non-whites into the United States and supports Arizona's SB 1070 immigration law, which was criticized as racist and challenged by the Obama Justice Department. In an introduction to readers when the magazine was started in 1990, the publication wrote that "blacks and Hispanics are, compared to whites, far more likely to be poor, illiterate, on welfare, or in jail; they are far more likely to have illegitimate children, be addicted to drugs, or have AIDS. By no definition of international competitiveness can the presence of these populations be anything but a disadvantage."
The group's connection to anti-Semitism is slightly more complicated. Although Holocaust deniers and neo-Nazis are often present at New Century Foundation conferences, group founder Jared Taylor cracked down on anti-Semitic speech in the magazine and at events, according to Southern Poverty Law Center. But after an anti-Semitic outburst at the 2006 conference, the group lost some of its Jewish supporters.
Although the motivations behind Saturday's actions remain unclear, Jewish media organizations pointed to possibly anti-Semitism after Hitler's Mein Kampf was listed as one of Loughner's favorite books. Giffords is the first Jewish U.S. representative to be elected in Arizona. Gabe Zimmerman, a Giffords aide who was killed in the shooting, was also Jewish.
On immigration, Giffords holds Blue Dog views: She supports comprehensive immigration reform, including increased border security and a path to legal status for some of the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants already in the United States. Giffords voted in December for the DREAM Act, a bill that would allow undocumented immigrants who entered the country as children, to exchange in return for military service or attending college.
Although she opposes Arizona law SB 1070, Giffords also opposed the Justice Department's lawsuit against the state to stop the law. "Congresswoman Giffords wants more federal agents on the Arizona border, not federal lawyers in court arguing with state lawyers about a law that will do nothing to increase public safety in the communities she represents," her spokesman told The Hill in June.
Giffords is mentioned several times on the American Renaissance website, but only in comments and articles from other news outlets on SB 1070 and the 2010 midterm elections.
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This group already came out and said he is not a member, never went to any of their meeting, and never connected with thewm in any way. Classic diversion by the Govt.
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Its not the first time... And definitely will no be the last.
Suddenly gun control sounds like a good idea.
Of course most people will not agree...you know they need to have " the right to bear arms" ::)
How many more kids needs to die? So you can carry your gun.
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Its not the first time... And definitely will no be the last.
Suddenly gun control sounds like a good idea.
Of course most people will not agree...you know they need to have " the right to bear arms" ::)
How many more kids needs to die? So you can carry your gun.
An uneducated Brazilian lecturing us on gun control. Hahahaha. Meanwhile, there are entire favelas that your police won't go anywhere near out of fear of getting gunned down. ::)
Gun control would have most likely had zero impact on whether the guy carried this out or not.
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This guy could have stabbed her to death with how close he got or even tossed a fire bomb into the crowd.
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Its not the first time... And definitely will no be the last.
Suddenly gun control sounds like a good idea.
Of course most people will not agree...you know they need to have " the right to bear arms" ::)
How many more kids needs to die? So you can carry your gun.
Dumb Post.
How many kids die because they were killed by a gun that was shot by a registered gun owner? Take all the guns away from the law abiding citizens and guess what, gun violence still happens. Did the Zeta's register their guns? How about organized crime? The gangs in Chicago? Yeah, I bet repealing the 2nd amendment would really curb their gun shootings.... But you probably didn't think that far enough top figure that out, did you?
Again, dumb post.
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An uneducated Brazilian lecturing us on gun control. Hahahaha. Meanwhile, there are entire favelas that your police won't go anywhere near out of fear of getting gunned down. ::)
Gun control would have most likely had zero impact on whether the guy carried this out or not.
Oh yeah!!! Gun control would not change anything.... Tell that to the mother.
And since you have no idea of what is going on in Brazil... Please stay on the subject.
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Oh yeah!!! Gun control would not change anything.... Tell that to the mother.
And since you have no idea of what is going on in Brazil... Please stay on the subject.
Does anyone even know the status of the gun the shooter used? You are using a lot of speculation and idiocy by saying what you are saying.
Would it make you feel better if he used a knife or a home made bomb to kill those people? Would you be railing against fertilizer and sharp objects?
Again, you're an idiot.
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In Wake of Arizona Massacre, Obama Went to Football Party
Sunday, January 9, 2011 | Kristinn
Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2011 12:06:51 PM by kristinn
As the federal government geared up to respond to the massacre in Arizona that targeted his "friend" Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed U.S. District Judge John Roll and five others, a distraught President Barack Obama spent five hours last night at a football party at the Georgetown condo of top aide Valerie Jarrett.
Obama and First Lady Michelle went to Jarrett's after the president made a photo-op televised statement in which he called Giffords his friend. For good measure, the White House also released a photo of Obama meeting with White House staff to give the impression Obama is on top of the situation.
While not able to explicitly state Obama attended a football party at Jarrett's, the White House press pool report from last night published by Politico notes the extreme coincidence in the timing of Obama's visit:
President Obama and his wife left Valerie Jarrett's house at 11:11 p.m., after spending five hours at his senior adviser's residence, the pool reports.
The Obamas left the White House for Jarrett's shortly after the president spoke about the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.
The pool adds: "The two stayed for nearly five hours tonight, coincidentally leaving minutes after the conclusion of two incredibly close NFL playoff games. The Seattle Seahawks upset the New Orleans Saints 41-36, and the New York Jets just eliminated the Indianapolis Colts 17-16 with a late field goal. No news on what POTUS was actually doing."
Obama attends White House meeting in wake of Arizona shooting Saturday afternoon. White House photo via Politico.
Obama's obsession with sports is well known. He has played nearly 60 rounds of golf totalling nearly 250 hours (or about a week) on the links since becoming president two years ago this month.
As president, Obama has also attended several pro and college basketball games, as well as spending untold hours shooting hoops.
Obama horns in on nationally televised sporting events with predictions and commentary. He will be interviewed as part of Fox's Super Bowl coverage next month.
While it is true the job travels with the president wherever he goes, Obama has made it clear that nothing, not a Christmas terror attack on the United States or a massacre and assassination attempt on a member of Congress will interfere with this self-indulgent president and his "me time" partying.
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Figures. FFFUUUBBBOOO
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Oh yeah!!! Gun control would not change anything.... Tell that to the mother.
And since you have no idea of what is going on in Brazil... Please stay on the subject.
Should we ban airplanes as well since terrorists use them to commit murder?
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This is exactly what I am talking about. Typical disgusting crap from the far left. I swear, these disgusting communists pieces of excrement never fail to dissappoint.
This is EXACTLY what I am talking about.
LOL notice how he like most in the liberal media dont say one word about pelosi saying that tea party members should wear swastikas?
doesnt mention alan gracen(spelling) saying reps want you do die and die quickly?
doenst mention PRESIDENT OBAMA saying reps are the enemy and are terrorist/hostage takers?
havent seen one not one mention of any one of those statements in articles condemning the political atmosphere right now...
but palin is mentioned in EVERY SINGLE ONE....
anybody who thinks there isnt a liberal bias in the main stream media....
TAKE A GOOD LONG HARD LOOK AT WHATS GOING ON RIGHT NOW
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Aside from the pompous self righteous holier than thou sanctimonious attitude, there's nothing wrong with what he said. I actually agree with the message put forth.
read my above post and how he left out any hate speech from the left, do you still agree if he would have added those in?
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Oh yeah!!! Gun control would not change anything.... Tell that to the mother.
And since you have no idea of what is going on in Brazil... Please stay on the subject.
ditto you dip shit...stay out of american affairs seeing as you have no idea whats going on here
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Does anyone even know the status of the gun the shooter used? You are using a lot of speculation and idiocy by saying what you are saying.
Would it make you feel better if he used a knife or a home made bomb to kill those people? Would you be railing against fertilizer and sharp objects?
Again, you're an idiot.
exactly these idiots are going to kill, doesnt matter how...
I heard it reported yesterday, it was a 9mm hand gun but who knows how accurate that is there is so much misinformation flying around
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Dumb Post.
How many kids die because they were killed by a gun that was shot by a registered gun owner? Take all the guns away from the law abiding citizens and guess what, gun violence still happens. Did the Zeta's register their guns? How about organized crime? The gangs in Chicago? Yeah, I bet repealing the 2nd amendment would really curb their gun shootings.... But you probably didn't think that far enough top figure that out, did you?
Again, dumb post.
You know what? I will not argue with you... you are 200% right.
That was a dumb post ::) ...I do apologize ::)
I'm dumb, very dumb, very very dumb.
And since I'm dumb... I will be here laughing and listening to this song.
Have a nice day.
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Oh yeah!!! Gun control would not change anything.... Tell that to the mother.
And since you have no idea of what is going on in Brazil... Please stay on the subject.
Nope, no idea. One of my buddies only grew up Brazil, most of his family still lives in Brazil, he worked in Brazil and now he only travels to Brazil a few times a year.
In his words Brazil is an embarrassing, ultra corrupt dump where gun violence is rampant and the police can't even control the favelas. Nice try. Civilized countries are subject to gangs setting up roadblocks on the highways and robbing all the people in cars at gunpoint. Just ask Pele. ::)
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You know what? I will not argue with you... you are 200% right.
That was a dumb post ::) ...I do apologize ::)
I'm dumb, very dumb, very very dumb.
And since I'm dumb... I will be here laughing and listening to this song.
Have a nice day.
have a fun ban troll ;)
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ditto you dip shit...stay out of american affairs seeing as you have no idea whats going on here
No idea of whats going on?
A bunch of...
A-lunatics
B-psychos
C-stupid people
D-fanatic religious people...with easy access to guns. ::)
By the way in witch category are you?
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Nope, no idea. One of my buddies only grew up Brazil, most of his family still lives in Brazil, he worked in Brazil and now he only travels to Brazil a few times a year.
In his words Brazil is an embarrassing, ultra corrupt dump where gun violence is rampant and the police can't even control the favelas. Nice try. Civilized countries are subject to gangs setting up roadblocks on the highways and robbing all the people in cars at gunpoint. Just ask Pele. ::)
So basically, you was not there right?
Ok. Lets stop here.
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So basically, you was not there right?
Ok. Lets stop here.
And you're not in America. Pot meet kettle, dipshit. ::)
Brazil is really progressed. That's why my buddy's parent's cars have bullet-proof windows and bomb-proof doors. Talk about first-world! ::)
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Does anyone even know the status of the gun the shooter used? You are using a lot of speculation and idiocy by saying what you are saying.
Would it make you feel better if he used a knife or a home made bomb to kill those people? Would you be railing against fertilizer and sharp objects?
Again, you're an idiot.
My point is... it does not matter if the gun was register or not.
The guy had an easy access to a gun. maybe the way i wrote was wrong.
But is so easy to get a gun in America. got it now?
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No idea of whats going on?
A bunch of...
A-lunatics
B-psychos
C-stupid people
D-fanatic religious people...with easy access to guns. ::)
By the way in witch category are you?
b/c none of this would happen without guns right?
b/c banning guns will take them away from criminals right?
google japan and gun control and educate yourself, they use knifes...yakuza has guns...hmmmmmmmm
::)
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And if he tossed a fire bomb at her?
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My point is... it does not matter if the gun was register or not.
The guy had an easy access to a gun. maybe the way i wrote was wrong.
But is so easy to get a gun in America. got it now?
HE WOULD STILL HAVE EASY ACCESS TO GUNS YOU DUMB BASTARD!!!
stfu and troll elsewhere
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More war, less taxes!
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What if he would have stabbed her? He was three feet away from her.
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More war, less taxes!
you too brain child, troll elsewhere
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My point is... it does not matter if the gun was register or not.
The guy had an easy access to a gun. maybe the way i wrote was wrong.
But is so easy to get a gun in America. got it now?
Oh man...........
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And you're not in America. Pot meet kettle, dipshit. ::)
Brazil is really progressed. That's why my buddy's parent's cars have bullet-proof windows and bomb-proof doors. Talk about first-world! ::)
Oh!!! and people in America don't use bullet/bomb-proof cars?
That type of violence we have in Brazil does not happen in America.. right?
Did you guys " first world" found the solution yet?
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Oh!!! and people in America don't use bullet/bomb-proof cars?
That type of violence we have in Brazil does not happen in America.. right?
Did you guys " first world" found the solution yet?
I've never heard of armed gangs setting up road blocks on highways and then proceeding to rob every car on it at gunpoint here. Yet it's all too common in Brazil. Funny how mad you're getting now that I've pointed out that you're a hypocritical fucktard who lives in a dump of country.
America also doesn't have gigantic favelas where gangs rule over millions of people. Those favelas are pretty much autonomous city-states operating under their own rules within Brazil. Good government you've got there. ::)
And the average American doesn't have bullet-proof and bomb-proof cars. Why? Because we're not as backwards as Brazil, land of the corrupt is. ;)
Stop embarrassing yourself.
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Remember what michael corleone said in godfather 2 about history?
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HE WOULD STILL HAVE EASY ACCESS TO GUNS YOU DUMB BASTARD!!!
stfu and troll elsewhere
Oh yeah!! and where most of people gets their guns from? from their homes.
You know stupid parents or stupid fucks like you.
And just because is easy... do you really need to make it easier?
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Your own country contradicts your stupid fucking statements, Gracie.
"Although Brazil has 100 million fewer citizens than the United States, and more restrictive gun laws, there are 50% more gun deaths;[6] other sources indicate that homicide rates due to guns are approximately four times higher than the rate in the United States."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Brazil
Nice work. So either restrictive gun laws are dumb or the average Brazilian is just stupider and more prone to gun violence than your average American.
Thanks for playing.
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Oh yeah!! and where most of people gets their guns from? from their homes.
You know stupid parents or stupid fucks like you.
And just because is easy... do you really need to make it easier?
LMAO, you really have no clue bro...just b/c something is illegal doesnt mean it isnt readily available ::)
drugs are illegal here in the US but I bet I could score some in less than 30 mins...
guns are illegal in japan but they have them
same with england...
educate yourself before you spout off
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Your own country contradicts your stupid fucking statements, Gracie.
"Although Brazil has 100 million fewer citizens than the United States, and more restrictive gun laws, there are 50% more gun deaths;[6] other sources indicate that homicide rates due to guns are approximately four times higher than the rate in the United States."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Brazil
Nice work. So either restrictive gun laws are dumb or the average Brazilian is just stupider and more prone to gun violence than your average American.
Thanks for playing.
lol
educate yourself before you spout off
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I've never heard of armed gangs setting up road blocks on highways and then proceeding to rob every car on it at gunpoint here. Yet it's all too common in Brazil. Funny how mad you're getting now that I've pointed out that you're a hypocritical fucktard who lives in a dump of country.
America also doesn't have gigantic favelas where gangs rule over millions of people. Those favelas are pretty much autonomous city-states operating under their own rules within Brazil. Good government you've got there. ::)
And the average American doesn't have bullet-proof and bomb-proof cars. Why? Because we're not as backwards as Brazil, land of the corrupt is. ;)
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Basically what im saying is ...poor people don't rob other people in America right? even the rich ones does. lol
Oh!! you don"t have favelas in America? oh! yeah they live in the projects and park trailers.
And who told you that the average Brazilian has a bullet-proof car?
Educate yourself dude.
By the way im not mad at all... you don't know me.
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Basically what im saying is ...poor people don't rob other people in America right? even the rich ones does. lol
Oh!! you don"t have favelas in America? oh! yeah they live in the projects and park trailers.
And who told you that the average Brazilian has a bullet-proof car?
Educate yourself dude.
By the way im not mad at all... you don't know me.
no what youre saying is that you think gun control would change that and it wouldnt ::)
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Your own country contradicts your stupid fucking statements, Gracie.
"Although Brazil has 100 million fewer citizens than the United States, and more restrictive gun laws, there are 50% more gun deaths;[6] other sources indicate that homicide rates due to guns are approximately four times higher than the rate in the United States."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Brazil
Nice work. So either restrictive gun laws are dumb or the average Brazilian is just stupider and more prone to gun violence than your average American.
Thanks for playing.
Please show me the number of deaths like the one in Arizona.
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Please show me the number of deaths like the one in Arizona.
Don't bother trying to change your argument now.
But since you asked.
"Pedro Alcantara de Souza (d. 1st April 2010) was a Brazilian land reform activist operating in the state of Pará.[1] He was shot dead on April 1st, 2010.[1] Souza was a farmers' union president, and city councilor of Redençăo. In 2008, 20 killings have been relate to land issues in the Amazon.[1]
De Souza was shot in the head five times by two men on motorcycles while he was riding his bicycle on the outskirts of the town of Belem.[2] The assassination occurred shortly after the trial of a man accused of masterminding the killing of another rain forest activist in 2005. The activist Dorothy Stang was an American nun was shot and killed in 2005.[3]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Alcantara_de_Souza
"Celso Augusto Daniel (April 16, 1951- January 2002) was the mayor in 2002 for the third time (72% of votes) of the city of Santo André in Săo Paulo, Brazil, as a representative of the Workers' Party (PT). He was kidnapped and assassinated in the same year.
Celso Daniel was kidnapped on January 18, 2002 while leaving a restaurant late at night in the neighborhood of Jardins, in Săo Paulo. He left the restaurant in an armoured Pajero driven by his former body-guard Sérgio Gomes da Silva, nicknamed Sombra ("Shadow"). The car was followed by kidnappers in other cars, and near the number 393 of Rua Antônio Bezerra, in the neighborhood of Sacomă, the cars managed to block their path. Shots were fired against the tires and the glasses; Da Silva, who was the driver, said that at that moment the brakes and the transmission didn't work. According to him, the armed criminals opened the door of the car, grabbed the mayor and took him away, while he stayed in the area and remained unscathed.[citation needed]
On the morning of Sunday January 20, the body of Celso Daniel, with 11 gunshot wounds, was found in the Estrada das Cachoeiras in the neighborhood of Carmo in the city of Juquitiba, along the Régis Bittencourt Highway (BR-116)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celso_Daniel
If I didn't know any better, I'd say Brazil sounds like a lot Mexico right now. :-X
I suggest you stop embarrassing yourself. You are looking pretty stupid right now.
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Don't bother trying to change your argument now.
But since you asked.
"Pedro Alcantara de Souza (d. 1st April 2010) was a Brazilian land reform activist operating in the state of Pará.[1] He was shot dead on April 1st, 2010.[1] Souza was a farmers' union president, and city councilor of Redençăo. In 2008, 20 killings have been relate to land issues in the Amazon.[1]
De Souza was shot in the head five times by two men on motorcycles while he was riding his bicycle on the outskirts of the town of Belem.[2] The assassination occurred shortly after the trial of a man accused of masterminding the killing of another rain forest activist in 2005. The activist Dorothy Stang was an American nun was shot and killed in 2005.[3]"
I suggest you stop embarrassing yourself. You are looking pretty stupid right now.
I'm not changing the argument.
But do you mind to answer the question.
Please show me the number of deaths like the one in Arizona?
That's it 2 cases? lol that shit happens everyday in America.
Be careful you are about to get raped dude.
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I'm not changing the argument.
But do you mind to answer the question.
Please show me the number of deaths like the one in Arizona?
That's it 2 cases? lol that shit happens everyday in America.
Be careful you are about to get raped dude.
Two? No. I stopped at two because I'm not going to waste time digging up the list of murdered Brazilian politicians. My point has already been proven in this thread and yours has already been refuted.
And major politicians are shot in the head every day in America? Shut up already, retard.
Fact is that Brazil has more restrictive gun laws in America, 100 million less people than American and yet they have more murders committed by gun than America. Again, thanks for playing.
Serious question, though. Do you ever get tired of embarrassing yourself on this board? Every topic you pop up in usually leads to you looking like an uneducated dipshit macaco.
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I'm not changing the argument.
But do you mind to answer the question.
Please show me the number of deaths like the one in Arizona?
That's it 2 cases? lol that shit happens everyday in America.
Be careful you are about to get raped dude.
from the wiki link
Some 39,000 people died in 2003 due to gun-related injuries nationwide.[2] In 2004, the number was 36,000.[1] Although Brazil has 100 million fewer citizens than the United States, and more restrictive gun laws, there are 50% more gun deaths;[6]
so you have 100 million less ppl than the US and have 50% more gun deaths with stricter laws...
::)
again educate yourself before you spout off
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from the wiki link
Some 39,000 people died in 2003 due to gun-related injuries nationwide.[2] In 2004, the number was 36,000.[1] Although Brazil has 100 million fewer citizens than the United States, and more restrictive gun laws, there are 50% more gun deaths;[6]
so you have 100 million less ppl than the US and have 50% more gun deaths with stricter laws...
::)
again educate yourself before you spout off
But apparently American politicians are shot in the head at point blank range every day now! Watch out tony, you might get raped (something else that's also much more common in Brazil than here ;) ).
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I think it's safe to say that the half-term half-wit's presidential hopes have been dashed.
Keep the Congresswoman and the other victims in your prayers, for those who are inclined.
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But apparently American politicians are shot in the head at point blank range every day now! Watch out tony, you might get raped (something else that's also much more common in Brazil than here ;) ).
Well!! since you like wiki... check this out.
By the way i knew about a couple... but i didn't know it was so many attempts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots
Lincoln and Kennedy shot in the head America's favorite way to do it i guess ;D... wow!! the irony. lmfao
Have a nice day... sorry i have more important things to do... i need to take a shit.
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Well!! since you like wiki... check this out.
By the way i knew about a couple... but i didn't know it was so many attempts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots
Lincoln and Kennedy shot in the head... wow!! the irony. lmfao
LMFAO so you cite 2 assasinations one from over a century ago and one from decades ago to back up your claim that this happens every day?
hahahaha
how about you address the fact that you have stricter gun laws, less ppl but more gun violence than the US?
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LMFAO so you cite 2 assasinations one from over a century ago and one from decades ago to back up your claim that this happens every day?
hahahaha
how about you address the fact that you have stricter gun laws, less ppl but more gun violence than the US?
dont try and argue with him...he comes from a sub par culture...
bench
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Or venezuela for that matter.
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Criminal complaint: http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/LoughnerComplaint.pdf
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Arizona massacre suspect: 'I planned ahead'
CNN ^ | January 9, 2011 | CNN Wire Staff
CNN) -- The suspect in the weekend massacre in Arizona scrawled "my assassination" and "I planned ahead" on an envelope found in his home, according to court documents released Sunday.
The details were part of criminal complaint filed against 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner, the Tucson man now charged in Saturday's bloodbath at a supermarket where U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was hosting an open house for constituents. Investigators found a letter from the congresswoman in a safe at the house where Loughner lived with his parents, thanking him for attending a similar 2007 event, a federal agent's affidavit states.
"Also recovered in the safe was an envelope with handwriting on the envelope stating 'I planned ahead,' and 'my assassination' and the name 'Giffords,' along with what appears to be Loughner's signature," the affidavit states.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
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The unseemly rush to blame Sarah Palin, the Tea Party and Republicans for murder in Arizona
Daily Telegraph ^ | January 9, 2011 | Toby Harnden
Paul Krugman of the “New York Times” suggests darkly that Giffords was shot because she was “a Democrat who survived what was otherwise a GOP sweep in Arizona” and “violent acts are what happen when you create a climate of hate” (those reponsible for such a climate being, of course, Republicans).
[snip]
Jane Fonda pins it on Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck and the Tea Party.
Even the local sheriff (a Democrat) has been getting in on the act. Sheriff Clarence Dupnik (a Democrat) said:
"When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous. And, unfortunately, Arizona I think has become sort of the capital. We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry."
[snip]
what are the facts we know so far? From what we know about Loughner, he was a deeply disturbed young man who railed about literacy rates, spoke of flag burning and creating a new currency.
Former classmates talk of “nonsensical outbursts” and a person “on his own planet”. ....My colleague Jon Swaine has a summary here of the raving of a person who most people would judge to be a complete nutcase even if he hadn’t gone out and shot people.
Oh, and another former classmate said he was “left wing, quite liberal”. .................
[snip]
This is highly inconvenient for certain people on the Left so they ignore it. They would much prefer the shooter to have been a white male in his 50s, the description the sheriff gave of a second person of interest (we’ll see if such a person materialises) but they’ll still try to make hay with a weirdo like Loughner.
(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.telegraph.co.uk ...
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386, I just think you should leave it alone.
David Gergen wrote a piece about this on CNN.com - stop with the fingerpointing that contributes to a toxic political climate.
I just know I ain't gonna be part of it for awhile at least.
Hopefully things will get back to normal as soon as possible.
And of course, Giffords recovers as well as she can.
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386, I just think you should leave it alone.
David Gergen wrote a piece about this on CNN.com - stop with the fingerpointing that contributes to a toxic political climate.
I just know I ain't gonna be part of it for awhile at least.
Hopefully things will get back to normal as soon as possible.
And of course, Giffords recovers as well as she can.
in that article did he mention examples?
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Hedge - honestly - I had to shut off the TV because of how bad the coverage has been - with all these outlets speaking in almost unison blaming palin and the tea party. Never have I seen such obvious brainwashing in as long as I can remember.
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386, I just think you should leave it alone.
David Gergen wrote a piece about this on CNN.com - stop with the fingerpointing that contributes to a toxic political climate.
I just know I ain't gonna be part of it for awhile at least.
Hopefully things will get back to normal as soon as possible.
And of course, Giffords recovers as well as she can.
I think i found it, thats the first article from a main stream media that didnt mention palin...
thats a good article
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Profile of suspect Jared Loughner: ‘I can't trust the current government’
MSNBC ^ | Jan. 8, 2011
"I can't trust the current government," and "I'm a sleepwalker," Jared Lee Loughner proclaimed in an Internet video before the shooting of a federal judge, congresswoman and others...
His rambling videos had already caused him trouble at school, scaring his community college into suspending him in September.
SNIP
Pima Community College...issued a statement identifying Loughner as the suspect. It said he was...suspended Sept. 29 for conduct violations. It said he agreed to withdrew from the college on Oct. 4.
...Loughner had five contacts with college police for disrupting classrooms and the library. It said he was prohibited from returning to the college.
SNIP
And The Republic reports that in mid-December, about the same time as the videos were posted, Loughner posted:
"WOW! I’m glad i didn’t kill myself. I’ll see you on National T.v.! This is foreshadow .... why doesn’t anyone talk to me?.."
and
"I don’t feel good: I’m ready to kill a police officer! I can say it."
In a profile online, he listed his favorite books: "Animal Farm," "Brave New World,"..."The Communist Manifesto," "Siddhartha," "The Old Man and the Sea," "Gulliver's Travels," "Mein Kampf,"...
A 22-year-old woman in Arizona, Caitie Parker, claimed on her Twitter feed that she went to high school and college with the gunman, and was in a band with him. She described his politics in the past as "left wing, quite liberal, & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy." She also described him as having a lot of friends "until he got alcohol poisoning in '06" and dropped out of school. "Mainly loner very philosophical."
Parker described the gunman meeting Rep. Gabrielle Giffords previously: "He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in '07, asked her a question & he told me she was 'stupid & unintelligent.'"
(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...
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Hedge - honestly - I had to shut off the TV because of how bad the coverage has been - with all these outlets speaking in almost unison blaming palin and the tea party. Never have I seen such obvious brainwashing in as long as I can remember.
I know you're not too crazy about his views on guns. ;D And whether he is right or not about that I can't say. I guess pro-gun activists wants gun control under certain circumstances.
But I guess his main issue is that there needs to be a little cooling down.
Gergen makes a point about how it used to be violent anti-Bush themes by lefties. And now it's anti-Obama by righties.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/01/09/gergen.pointing.fingers/index.html?hpt=C1
BTW, I saw Olbermann call for Beck and others to apologize. It may be true. They perhaps should apologize and do some soul searching.
But Olbermann showed that he didn't understand what this is all about since he didn't acknowledge his own part in whipping up a highly toxic political environment with his "Worst persons list" and shit like that.
It would've been kinda refreshing had Olbermann said "Hey, I'm gonna stop with my shit. That's what's in my power. What others do, what Beck, O'Reilly and those guys do, that's up to them. But I ain't doing this anymore"
But Olbermann didn't. Instead he pretended to be some kind of fucking saint. That's what's really bothering me.
JMO...
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Posted at 4:03 PM ET, 01/ 9/2011
Jared Loughner's behavior recorded by college classmate in e-mails
By David A. Fahrenthold
In early June, Lynda Sorenson, 52, had gone back to community college in Tucson in hopes of getting back on the job market. One of her classes was a basic algebra class--and one of her classmates was Jared Loughner, now identified by authorities as the man who killed six people and critically wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) in a shooting rampage Saturday. Sorenson's e-mails to friends from last summer, provided to the Washington Post, reveal her growing alarm at Loughner's strange and disruptive
behavior in class.
From June 1, the first day of class:
"One day down and nineteen to go. We do have one student in the class who was disruptive today, I'm not certain yet if he was on drugs (as one person surmised) or disturbed. He scares me a bit. The teacher tried to throw him out and he refused to go, so I talked to the teacher afterward. Hopefully he will be out of class very soon, and not come back with an automatic weapon."
From June 10:
"As for me, Thursday means the end to week two of algebra class. It seems to be going by quickly, but then I do have three weeks to go so we'll see how I feel by then. Class isn't dull as we have a seriously disturbed student in the class, and they are trying to figure out how to get rid of him before he does something bad, but on the other hand, until he does something bad, you can't do anything about him. Needless to say, I sit by
the door."
From June 14:
"We have a mentally unstable person in the class that scares the living crap out of me. He is one of those whose picture you see on the news, after he has come into class with an automatic weapon. Everyone interviewed would say, Yeah, he was in my math class and he was really weird. I sit by the door with my purse handy. If you see it on the news one night, know that I got out fast..."
The class's instructor, Ben McGahee, said in an interview Sunday that Loughner had been removed from class in its third or fourth week, because of repeated disruptions.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/01/jared-loughners-behavior-recor.html?hpid=topnews
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interesting reading those e-mails. :o
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Suspect Fixated on Giffords
WSJ ^ | January 9, 2011 | JOHN R. EMSHWILLER, DEVLIN BARRETT and CHARLES FORELLE
Accused gunman Jared Lee Loughner appeared to have been long obsessed with U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.
A safe at Mr. Loughner's home contained a form letter from Ms. Giffords' office thanking him for attending a 2007 "Congress on your Corner'' event in Tucson. The safe also held an envelope with handwritten notes, including the name of Ms. Giffords, as well as "I planned ahead," "My assassination," and what appeared to be Mr. Loughner's signature, according to an FBI affidavit.
Federal authorities charged Mr. Loughner on Sunday with two counts of murder, two counts of attempted murder and a count of attempting to assassinate a member of Congress, during a scheduled public appearance by Ms. Giffords here Saturday. More charges are expected, officials said, and Mr. Loughner, age 22, remains in federal custody.
Mr. Loughner had complained to a friend about how he was treated by the Arizona lawmaker during an event several years ago, which aggravated Mr. Loughner, according to the friend.
Authorities allege Mr. Loughner's anger exploded on Saturday. Shortly after 10 a.m., as U.S. District Court Judge John Roll greeted Ms. Giffords in front of a Safeway supermarket, authorities charged Mr. Loughner fired a Glock 9mm semiautomatic pistol into the back of her head. In the seconds that followed, say authorities, Mr. Loughner shot 19 others, six fatally, including the judge and a 9-year-old girl, before his gun jammed and he was wrestled to the ground.
(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...
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.Suspect Fixated on Giffords
Accused Gunman Went to Congresswoman's Event in 2007; 'I Planned Ahead'.
Article
By JOHN R. EMSHWILLER, DEVLIN BARRETT and CHARLES FORELLE
TUCSON, Ariz.—Accused gunman Jared Lee Loughner appeared to have been long obsessed with U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.
Arizona Daily Star/Associated Press
Witnesses and bystanders waited inside a police barrier in the parking lot of the Safeway grocery store where Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D., Ariz.) and others were shot Saturday.
.. Jared Lee Loughner, the man suspected of a shooting spree that killed a Federal Judge and critically wounded Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, had left a trail of online videos in which he railed against the government. WSJ's Neil Hickey reports.
.A safe at Mr. Loughner's home contained a form letter from Ms. Giffords' office thanking him for attending a 2007 "Congress on your Corner'' event in Tucson. The safe also held an envelope with handwritten notes, including the name of Ms. Giffords, as well as "I planned ahead," "My assassination," and what appeared to be Mr. Loughner's signature, according to an FBI affidavit.
Federal authorities charged Mr. Loughner on Sunday with two counts of murder, two counts of attempted murder and a count of attempting to assassinate a member of Congress, during a scheduled public appearance by Ms. Giffords here Saturday. More charges are expected, officials said, and Mr. Loughner, age 22, remains in federal custody.
Mr. Loughner had complained to a friend about how he was treated by the Arizona lawmaker during an event several years ago, which aggravated Mr. Loughner, according to the friend.
Authorities allege Mr. Loughner's anger exploded on Saturday. Shortly after 10 a.m., as U.S. District Court Judge John Roll greeted Ms. Giffords in front of a Safeway supermarket, authorities charged Mr. Loughner fired a Glock 9mm semiautomatic pistol into the back of her head. In the seconds that followed, say authorities, Mr. Loughner shot 19 others, six fatally, including the judge and a 9-year-old girl, before his gun jammed and he was wrestled to the ground.
Hospital officials said Sunday that Ms. Giffords had responded well to brain surgery, though she is still in critical condition. Four other patients who suffered critical wounds were moved out of intensive care.
Federal investigators are still gathering evidence to determine what prompted Mr. Loughner to carry out the attack. Investigators suspect Mr. Loughner acted alone, giving few signs of any violent intent.
Reuters
Man believed to be accused gunman Jared Loughner, top, from his MySpace page
.Interviews with people who knew Mr. Loughner suggest the shooting followed a slow unraveling in the life of a seemingly peaceful young man.
Mr. Loughner was a scrawny, average teenager with a mop of curly hair. He played saxophone at football games and jammed with a friend's garage band. In his freshman and sophomore years at Mountain View High School, Mr. Loughner flew under the radar.
"All he did was play video games and play music," said Tommy Marriotti, a high school friend. Mr. Marriotti said much of Mr. Loughner's free time was devoted to the school band. He wasn't especially political, Mr. Marriotti said, though he expressed frustration with the Bush Administration.
Christina Lunderberg, 21, a high school bandmate, said Mr. Loughner, as a saxophone player, "was really good and talented, and arrogant."
Alex Montanaro, who described himself as once having been one of "Jared's best friends" said his buddy was a good, smart kid who was close to his parents. "Throughout our time together all I saw was a normal, loving relationship," he said.
.But around the 10th grade, Mr. Loughner seemed to have "a mental downfall" following his break-up with a girlfriend, said Mr. Montanaro, who responded to questions via email.
Mr. Loughner started acting strangely, Mr. Montanaro said, and "his friends changed from people like us to more, drug oriented people I suppose." He quit playing saxophone and was eventually ignored by his old friends. "Jared really became an outcast," he said.
Friends say by his junior year Mr. Loughner used drugs, and his grades slumped. He didn't return for his senior year.
In 2007, the year he would have graduated from high school, Mr. Loughner was arrested in Pima County and charged with possession of drugs and drug paraphernalia, according to court records. His case was dismissed.
Mr. Loughner went "through a tagging phase" in 2009, said Mr. Montanaro, painting graffiti, using phrases from literature. He also would sit in unlocked cars, he said, until the night he was chased off by one car's apparent owner.
One of Mr. Loughner's ambitions was to be a writer, said Mr. Montanaro, and he shared his stories with friends. One short story was about a "reporter during the end of the world speaking with an angel," he recalled.
WSJ's White House Correspondent Jonathan Weisman explains the political context and ramifications of the shooting today of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords at a Tucson supermarket.
.Mr. Loughner later enrolled in classes at Pima Community College, where he became disruptive and unstable.
Math instructor Ben McGahee said Mr. Loughner's frequent off-topic outbursts during an algebra course last summer frightened other students. On his first test, Mr. Loughner wrote "Mayhem Fest!!!" in large letters, Mr. McGahee said.
Mr. McGahee said he tried to remove Mr. Loughner from class on several occasions, but college officials didn't agree.
.Pima College spokesman Paul Schwalbach said the school didn't notify law enforcement officials about Mr. Loughner because he didn't appear to be a threat.
"He said things that were strange and he was a handful in class but he didn't threaten any students," Mr. Schwalbach said. Mr. Loughner withdrew in October after the school decided to require him to take a mental health evaluation, he said.
In a series of videos posted on YouTube since the end of November, Mr. Loughner raged against the government and the Constitution and discussed "terrorism."
Mr. Montanaro said he last spoke to Mr. Loughner last May, when his friend talked about hunting for a job and getting in shape. Mr. Loughner "really wanted to join the military" to help obtain better work skills, said Mr. Montanaro. "He worked out for months getting fit" but was eventually turned down, Mr. Montanaro adds.
In one YouTube video Mr. Loughner posted online, he said he was an Army recruit at Military Entrance Processing Station in Phoenix. An Army spokesman confirmed that Mr. Loughner "attempted to enlist in the Army but was rejected for service."
A person familiar with the matter said he wasn't accepted because of a failed drug test.
Mr. Montanaro said his friend "was never really political," but "really tried to be philosophical." Mr. Loughner liked "contemplating the meaning of words and the origin of language," Mr. Montanaro said.
That interest might have triggered Mr. Loughner's first meeting with Ms. Giffords in 2007. Mr. Loughner said he asked the lawmaker, "How do you know words mean anything?" recalled Mr. Montanaro. He said Mr. Loughner was "aggravated" when Ms. Giffords, after pausing for a couple of seconds, "responded to him in Spanish and moved on with the meeting."
Officials said Saturday's shooting was captured on a surveillance video and showed Mr. Roll chatting with an aide to Ms. Giffords. Then Mr. Roll greeted Ms. Giffords as she was hit, according to people familiar with the matter.
The 9mm bullet went through the left side of her head, from back to front. The shooter then opened fire on the crowd.
..One woman who was wounded grabbed a magazine of bullets from the shooter as he tried to reload, authorities said. The attacker jammed a second magazine into the gun but it failed to fire and two men dragged him to the ground.
Mr. Montanaro recalled his friend developed "a hate for government and just how everything was systematic...He thought government controlled people too much."
"I really can't understand why Jared was so interested in Giffords," Mr. Montanaro said. "I imagine it was simply because she was the most accessible."
—Evan Pérez, Alexandra Berzon and Ann Zimmerman contributed to this article.
Write to Charles Forelle at charles.forelle@wsj.com, Ann Zimmerman at ann.zimmerman@wsj.com and Alexandra Berzon at alexandra.berzon@wsj.com
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kid was screwed up, no doubt.
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kid was screwed up, no doubt.
not according to tony. an bb thinks CTrs on this forum are just like this sick fuck. ::)
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not according to tony. an bb thinks CTrs on this forum are just like this sick fuck. ::)
post where i said he was sane hugo, youre a mod bro you should be above the idiocy of the likes of straw man...
what ive said is its a possibility that he is sane...
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post where i said he was sane hugo, youre a mod bro you should be above the idiocy of the likes of straw man...
what ive said is its a possibility that he is sane...
you seem to think he was just using logic. seemed to me you were suggesting his extremely irrational and quite delutional rambling is just as likely to be sane as insane. I can't see anything sane about this level of delutional thought. sorry. the dude is insane. I don't think you need to be a doctor or take college coarses to see that lol...
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you seem to think he was just using logic. seemed to me you were suggesting his extremely irrational and quite delutional rambling is just as likely to be sane as insane. I can't see anything sane about this level of delutional thought. sorry. the dude is insane. I don't think you need to be a doctor or take college coarses to see that lol...
goodness gracious dude you and straw man are two peas in a pod bro...
I never said that makes him sane, what i was trying to do was show that it wasnt necissarily an in coherent mess of shit...
its nothing to get upset over or become passive aggressive over
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goodness gracious dude you and straw man are two peas in a pod bro...
I never said that makes him sane, what i was trying to do was show that it wasnt necissarily an in coherent mess of shit...
its nothing to get upset over or become passive aggressive over
I'm not upset lol... I'm just busting your balls over this because I think you're wrong. I'm not going to meltdown, I promise ;D
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an bb thinks CTrs on this forum are just like this sick fuck. ::)
I think we all realized BB's ability to evaluate... based upon his 2008 presidential vote...
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It actually started with Clinton. Some people really have trouble separating a person's political beliefs from the person.
QFT!!!
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240 - you voted for bob barr, or at least claim to. You are in no position to talk about anyones' 2008 vote.
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Boehner made a key address. Very neutral, moderate and balanced. Exactly what was needed.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2011/01/09/arizona.shooting.boehner.WCPO
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QFT!!!
Aain, you and 240 need to take a history lesson.
This ad is fro 1964.
LBJ, who was a disaster as POTUS, ran this against Goldwater.
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::) ::)
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/01/10/2011-01-10_chilling_shrine_in_madmans_yard.html
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Neuro, two wrongs don't make one right.
What I'm saying is that liberals lashing out against Palin is creating a potentially dangerous situation as well.
Right now everyone needs to calm the fuck down IMO and not stir up shit that will inspire loons on both sides to do anything stupid.
Eg, I saw on Fox Nation how some blogger there made some comment on Jane Fonda. And instantly had several replies about her deserving the capitol punishment.
That's insane.
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Update on Olbermann.
Actually he did apologize for his own crap - at least a minimal part of it. And acknowledge that he's gotta cut it out.
And apparently IS expected to drop Worst Person List. :o
http://www.allyourtv.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2408:keith-olbermann-expected-to-announce-he-is-dropping-worst-person-segment-on-mondays-countdown&catid=1:latest-news
At 4:40 (so you won't have to listen through the whole thing to Olby's horrible voice ;D)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40981503/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann/
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And I thought Gracie Jiu-jitsu was the stupidest poster on this board. You are a winner, nitwit.
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not according to tony. an bb thinks CTrs on this forum are just like this sick fuck. ::)
No, the CT nuts on this forum are not mass murderers. ::)
My comments related to the use of this kid's ramblings to conclude he is crazy. His ramblings are no more "crazy" than the faked moon landing conspiracy, the 911 conspiracy, etc. If someone were to actually write out specifically how, for example, the faked moon and 911 conspiracy theories actually happened (including how we fooled the Smithsonian re the moon landing, how we faked plane crashes and disposed of bodies, shot a missile into the Pentagon, used holograms to fake the twin towers crashes, etc.), it would sound no more loony than this disturbed kid's musings.
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And I thought Gracie Jiu-jitsu was the stupidest poster on this board. You are a winner, nitwit.
Skip thinks NT is Mons Venus. I think I agree.
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No, the CT nuts on this forum are not mass murderers. ::)
My comments related to the use of this kid's ramblings to conclude he is crazy. His ramblings are no more "crazy" than the faked moon landing conspiracy, the 911 conspiracy, etc. If someone were to actually write out specifically how, for example, the faked moon and 911 conspiracy theories actually happened (including how we fooled the Smithsonian re the moon landing, how we faked plane crashes and disposed of bodies, shot a missile into the Pentagon, used holograms to fake the twin towers crashes, etc.), it would sound no more loony than this disturbed kid's musings.
::) yes they are. I don't believe in the moon landing CT and have argued here against those who think we didn't land on the moon. But at least those people here were looking at things they didn't understand or looked wrong to them to question the moon landing. They did provide things to look at and refute. In none of Jared's delusions has he ever done that. If you read through Jared's garbage, he uses completely disjointed logic making things up as he goes along. There is nothing to refute and even everyone at ATS were left with nothing to say but "you're crazy." He creates a complete delusion that is so removed from reality that it's pure delusional, not just misunderstanding or misuse of facts, but completely self created notions. His ramblings are a thousand times more delusional than anyone here. Those who believe we didn't land on the moon have a list of items they question. Jared just pulled shit out of his assbrain that were pure WTF.
What is probably happening here is that you are using this nutsandwich in your own personal bias against anyone here who utters a CT.
Yea yea, I know, this is where you call me nuts, tell me to hide out in a cave, call me chicken little yea yea yea, I got it... ::)
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Skip thinks NT is Mons Venus. I think I agree.
i can see that...he is a troll just the same and never backs up his statements
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::) yes they are. I don't believe in the moon landing CT and have argued here against those who think we didn't land on the moon. But at least those people here were looking at things they didn't understand or looked wrong to them to question the moon landing. They did provide things to look at and refute. In none of Jared's delusions has he ever done that. If you read through Jared's garbage, he uses completely disjointed logic making things up as he goes along. There is nothing to refute and even everyone at ATS were left with nothing to say but "you're crazy." He creates a complete delusion that is so removed from reality that it's pure delusional, not just misunderstanding or misuse of facts, but completely self created notions. His ramblings are a thousand times more delusional than anyone here. Those who believe we didn't land on the moon have a list of items they question. Jared just pulled shit out of his assbrain that were pure WTF.
What is probably happening here is that you are using this nutsandwich in your own personal bias against anyone here who utters a CT.
Yea yea, I know, this is where you call me nuts, tell me to hide out in a cave, call me chicken little yea yea yea, I got it... ::)
I think you're missing my point. When has anyone ever given a detailed explanation of how we faked the moon landing and how all of the governments and individuals participated? I'm not talking about raising questions. I mean detailing exactly how it happened. Same with the 911 stuff. If those theories are given a blow-by-blow explanation, they would sound completely nuts.
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I think you're missing my point. When has anyone ever given a detailed explanation of how we faked the moon landing and how all of the governments and individuals participated? I'm not talking about raising questions. I mean detailing exactly how it happened. Same with the 911 stuff. If those theories are given a blow-by-blow explanation, they would sound completely nuts.
When lol? several times... There's complete documentaries and many programs that have been posted with detailed explanation of how they think the moon landing was faked. Just because you don't look at anything they write or post doesn't mean they didn't do it lololol... I actually did watch and read everything they provided and there was a complete list of material one could actually look at and provide a real reply to on real things. Nowhere does Jared do that. All his proofs were just made up and he used his false logic to back it up.
I mean when all of the CTrs over at ATS are telling the guy he's nuts or retarded, it's pretty clear that Jared went way lower than their standards. Yet here you are saying they're all equally nuts in their ideas--WOW...
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Another thing.... Much of what Jared believed is completely unique to Jared. There is nodody else who believes some of the shit he said. Like that it's impossible for a person to survive in space. He believes all shuttle's are unmanned and they use a green screens to fake astronaughts in space. I'm pretty sure he's the only person in the world who thinks that's true, so don't tell me the CT stuff from others is just as crazy.
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Another thing.... Much of what Jared believed is completely unique to Jared. There is nodody else who believes some of the shit he said. Like that it's impossible for a person to survive in space. He believes all shuttle's are unmanned and they use a green screens to fake astronaughts in space. I'm pretty sure he's the only person in the world who thinks that's true, so don't tell me the CT stuff from others is just as crazy.
lol brosky im sure there are actually plenty of ppl who believe shit very similar if not the same...
look at some of the shit jagson posts on the CT board
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lol brosky im sure there are actually plenty of ppl who believe shit very similar if not the same...
look at some of the shit jagson posts on the CT board
can you find one other person who believes nobody can survive in orbit? Just one? If you think there are plenty of people, it shouldn't be hard to google one.
Hey tony, on a different point that is kinda interesting. I can't believe I didn't wonder about this yesterday but isn't it kinda odd that he creates all these posts that essentially say NASA is a fraud and astronauts don't really go into space. With Gifford's husband being an astronaut and other accounts coming out yesterday that Jared felt rejected or hurt by Giffords. I'm kinda wondering if Jared had a crush on Giffords and was jealous of her astronaut husband.
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can you find one other person who believes nobody can survive in orbit? Just one? If you think there are plenty of people, it shouldn't be hard to google one.
Hey tony, on a different point that is kinda interesting. I can't believe I didn't wonder about this yesterday but isn't it kinda odd that he creates all these posts that essentially say NASA is a fraud and astronauts don't really go into space. With Gifford's husband being an astronaut and other accounts coming out yesterday that Jared felt rejected or hurt by Giffords. I'm kinda wondering if Jared had a crush on Giffords and was jealous of her astronaut husband.
I think the whole scorned lover/jilted lefty angle is a lot more plausible than some list driving him to do it.
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also I'm reading that orange is used in love spells and sex magic. With that alter of his found today using oranges, hmmm... could be he had a crush and felt rejected. Also worth note is that the people who knew him in high school noted that he started retreating and acting crazy after a girl broke up with him.
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can you find one other person who believes nobody can survive in orbit? Just one? If you think there are plenty of people, it shouldn't be hard to google one.
Hey tony, on a different point that is kinda interesting. I can't believe I didn't wonder about this yesterday but isn't it kinda odd that he creates all these posts that essentially say NASA is a fraud and astronauts don't really go into space. With Gifford's husband being an astronaut and other accounts coming out yesterday that Jared felt rejected or hurt by Giffords. I'm kinda wondering if Jared had a crush on Giffords and was jealous of her astronaut husband.
yea i can actualy ask toxic avenger b/c he says something about van allen ray belts or something or other...
so there you go...again plenty of crazy shit has been said on these boards...
Interesting indeed I didnt think of that either, he definitely seems like he had a infatuation with her
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yea i can actualy ask toxic avenger b/c he says something about van allen ray belts or something or other...
so there you go...again plenty of crazy shit has been said on these boards...
Interesting indeed I didnt think of that either, he definitely seems like he had a infatuation with her
the van allen belts are only issue for moon landing hoax believers. They believe you can't survive the radiation passing the belt. That doesn't mean they don't believe Nasa sends people into orbit lol... It's only for the moon landing. I think even toxic believes we put people in orbit.
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can you find one other person who believes nobody can survive in orbit? Just one? If you think there are plenty of people, it shouldn't be hard to google one.
Hey tony, on a different point that is kinda interesting. I can't believe I didn't wonder about this yesterday but isn't it kinda odd that he creates all these posts that essentially say NASA is a fraud and astronauts don't really go into space. With Gifford's husband being an astronaut and other accounts coming out yesterday that Jared felt rejected or hurt by Giffords. I'm kinda wondering if Jared had a crush on Giffords and was jealous of her astronaut husband.
I mentioned that yesterday, it got lost in the midst of the Palin trashing by the goons on this board.
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the van allen belts are only issue for moon landing hoax believers. They believe you can't survive the radiation passing the belt. That doesn't mean they don't believe Nasa sends people into orbit lol... It's only for the moon landing. I think even toxic believes we put people in orbit.
lol bro there are billions of ppl in this world trust he isnt the only one with that thought
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http://img171.imageshack.us/i/jllrsc.jpg/
Thats already been proven a fake many times over.
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it could very well be this........... After further thought....
Palin makes her living by being the party attack dog - naming names, toting rifles, beating fish - and cultivating an image as the most violent mofo around.
Well, the media is using that image (that she purposefully created) against her now (to make $ in ad revenue of course, as she is good for ratings and put herself in this jackpot).
She put herself out there as a violent force to be recokend with - posing with guns she later showed she couldn't even handle. Now, violence is present and everyone is shocked she is associated with it.
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it could very well be this........... After further thought....
Palin makes her living by being the party attack dog - naming names, toting rifles, beating fish - and cultivating an image as the most violent mofo around.
Well, the media is using that image (that she purposefully created) against her now. She put herself out there as a violent force to be recokend with - posing with guns she later showed she couldn't even handle. Now, violence is present and everyone is shocked she is associated with it.
Hahaha, you're trying so hard.
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Hahaha, you're trying so hard.
it's more clear to me now.... but it makes sense now.
she's good for rating$. Whether you love or hate her, you watch when she's on the news.
She sold herself - marketed herself - as a trigger pulling, fish beating, name namin' attack dog.
Now, she's all shocked that a violent act against an individual she named by name with gun shooting imagery - is being connected to her.
Nobody with a brain is surprised. She did everything but hand the 'left' a case against her to make herself look shitty. and she's gonna drop with independent voters as a result.
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Palin's "Cross Hairs" even more blatantly irresponsible in the context of time
Back on March 19, 2010, during the Health Care debates, the former leader of the Alabama Constitutional Milita, Mike Vanderboegh called for modern "Sons of Liberty" to break the windows of Democratic Party offices in opposition to health care bill.
After several incidents doing exactly that between March 20th and 22nd - throwing bricks through the windows of Democratic party and candidate offices, and severing the gas line at the home of the brother of a Democratic congressman, a few "adults" within the Republican party sensibly denounced this violence.
But what does Sarah Palin do? Does she refudiate the violence? No, March 23rd, the day after the gas line incident, is when she chose to launch her "Take Back the 20" Cross-Hairs campaign, on on that same day tweeted "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!"
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it's more clear to me now.... but it makes sense now.
she's good for rating$. Whether you love or hate her, you watch when she's on the news.
She sold herself - marketed herself - as a trigger pulling, fish beating, name namin' attack dog.
Now, she's all shocked that a violent act against an individual she named by name with gun shooting imagery - is being connected to her.
Nobody with a brain is surprised. She did everything but hand the 'left' a case against her to make herself look shitty. and she's gonna drop with independent voters as a result.
Hahaha, you're trying so hard.
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it could very well be this........... After further thought....
Palin makes her living by being the party attack dog - naming names, toting rifles, beating fish - and cultivating an image as the most violent mofo around.
Well, the media is using that image (that she purposefully created) against her now (to make $ in ad revenue of course, as she is good for ratings and put herself in this jackpot).
She put herself out there as a violent force to be recokend with - posing with guns she later showed she couldn't even handle. Now, violence is present and everyone is shocked she is associated with it.
please show us how she is associated with it...
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it's more clear to me now.... but it makes sense now.
she's good for rating$. Whether you love or hate her, you watch when she's on the news.
She sold herself - marketed herself - as a trigger pulling, fish beating, name namin' attack dog.
Now, she's all shocked that a violent act against an individual she named by name with gun shooting imagery - is being connected to her.
Nobody with a brain is surprised. She did everything but hand the 'left' a case against her to make herself look shitty. and she's gonna drop with independent voters as a result.
again proof of this please
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again proof of this please
Hahaha, 240 "I'm just throwing it out there, never mind that I'm ASSERTING that they're connected" is back really looking like the dipshit he is here.
He's such a horrible troll.
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Hahaha, 240 "I'm just throwing it out there, never mind that I'm ASSERTING that they're connected" is back really looking like the dipshit he is here.
He's such a horrible troll.
I agree, i honestly think we could see 240 banned in the near future if he keeps trolling like he does
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See what I mean? Of course, the shooter was a nutbag moron who probably never even saw the palin list.
But from a POLITICAL sense...... she fucked herself on this one.
She sold herself as the violent party voice. Then, when there's violence against the other party, she acts all surprised. It's politics, it's theater, and it's ratings.
She's being connected by the media, bloggers, and people at the water cooler. There is no court case against her, nor any proof. But she fuct the duck by putting this woman's name out there with crosshairs.
it just wasn't smart. Another example of why the left fears her, and much of the right fears her. Emotional, angry acts like posting that poster ONE DAY AFTER ONE OF THE PPL ON THE LISTS HAD A GAS LINE CUT? Wtf?
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I agree, i honestly think we could see 240 banned in the near future if he keeps trolling like he does
dude, many here "know my intentions".... okay, you see the worst, but actually I don't think the guy used her paper as the reason he did it. Sounds like he already had a histroy with the rep.
I don't like palin cause I think she's just not that bright and will keep doing boneheaded shit like this as president. So I'd rather thune, newt, or someone else run.
I never said her literature caused this - I just said it's irresponsible to post anything like that.,
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It's pretty disgusting that 240 is using this incident to push his agenda. A 9-year-old girl's life was taken by this gunman and it took you less than an hour for you to start your rhetoric. Not only are you disrespecting the dead by playing your political games but you're also lying through your teeth to exploit their tragic deaths even more. Vile.
Pretty low, even for a classless guy like yourself, 240. For shame. :-\
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See what I mean? Of course, the shooter was a nutbag moron who probably never even saw the palin list.
But from a POLITICAL sense...... she fucked herself on this one.
She sold herself as the violent party voice. Then, when there's violence against the other party, she acts all surprised. It's politics, it's theater, and it's ratings.
She's being connected by the media, bloggers, and people at the water cooler. There is no court case against her, nor any proof. But she fuct the duck by putting this woman's name out there with crosshairs.
it just wasn't smart. Another example of why the left fears her, and much of the right fears her. Emotional, angry acts like posting that poster ONE DAY AFTER ONE OF THE PPL ON THE LISTS HAD A GAS LINE CUT? Wtf?
NO SIR she is being connected by weak minded morons such as yourself...you could also draw a connection to obama and pelosis comments as well...
idiot
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dude, many here "know my intentions".... okay, you see the worst, but actually I don't think the guy used her paper as the reason he did it. Sounds like he already had a histroy with the rep.
I don't like palin cause I think she's just not that bright and will keep doing boneheaded shit like this as president. So I'd rather thune, newt, or someone else run.
I never said her literature caused this - I just said it's irresponsible to post anything like that.,
LOL at the same time down playing, side stepping and over looking comments from your messiah and his ilk...
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doesn't matter what we think anyway, fellahs.
if the roles were exactly reversed, and hilary clinton made a list and some congressman from the right was shot in the head, fox news would be LIVID and palin would be screaming the loudest.
It's what media (pieces of shit) and pundits (POS) and politicians (also POS) do.
And we, the peons that we are, argue about it for hours.
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240, you're exploiting the death of a 9-year-old child for political game. It's disgusting shit, man.
Hope you're proud. :-\
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doesn't matter what we think anyway, fellahs.
if the roles were exactly reversed, and hilary clinton made a list and some congressman from the right was shot in the head, fox news would be LIVID and palin would be screaming the loudest.
It's what media (pieces of shit) and pundits (POS) and politicians (also POS) do.
And we, the peons that we are, argue about it for hours.
no, its what morons do which is why youre right in the middle of it...especially when there is no connection
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240, you're exploiting the death of a 9-year-old child for political game. It's disgusting shit, man.
Hope you're proud. :-\
Nope. not even close dude.
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Nope. not even close dude.
You're a vile individual. You're exploiting the murder of 6 individuals, including a 9-year-old child, for political gain. The most revolting part is that you didn't even wait 60 minutes to start, either.
Makes me sick, to be honest. :-\
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lol bro there are billions of ppl in this world trust he isnt the only one with that thought
couldn't find one example huh :D yea I couldn't either. So I guess you just have faith that there are others that think space shuttles are launched empty. No proof whatsoever. Tony, sometimes you crack me up ;D
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Not counting the strange tabloids on the newstand that intentionally come up with the strangest headlines possible for entertainment and shock value. Those ideas are just as crazy but we both know the people writing them don't believe what they're writing. The ones that photoshop monkey heads on babies and pose aliens shaking hands with presidents lol...
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(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/01/10/0110-jared-lee-loughner-bn-credit.jpg)
He looks stable.
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He looks stable.
I was kinda wishing he would be beaten beyond recognition, but there he is with a fucking smile? >:(
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He looks possessed by the devil.
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couldn't find one example huh :D yea I couldn't either. So I guess you just have faith that there are others that think space shuttles are launched empty. No proof whatsoever. Tony, sometimes you crack me up ;D
LOL ill find one tonight after the game and when i do i want your sig to read
"tebow, the most overrated draft pick since david carr" ;D
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LOL ill find one tonight after the game and when i do i want your sig to read
"tebow, the most overrated draft pick since david carr" ;D
What's yours going to read if you can't find someone? maybe "240 is Back is #1 awesome" :D Or maybe, "I love liberals: Socialism rocks" lol...
For how long?
What are the rules? I don't want you going out and posting it somewhere then saying you found it lol...
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He looks like that guy from the goonies.
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He looks possessed by the devil.
no such thing...
bench
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Don't know bench. Somethings like ythis make you wonderr sometimes.
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lol!!!!!!
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Tucson Shootings: Jared Lee Loughner's Parents Alone With Their Anguish
The Los Angeles Times ^ | Monday, January 10, 2011 | Sam Quinones
Reporting from Tucson — The parents of Jared Lee Loughner, accused of shooting Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and 19 other people, were huddled in seclusion in their Tucson home Monday night, his father crying and his mother so shaken she could not get out of bed, a neighbor told The Times.
As the sun was beginning to set Monday, Randy Loughner called his neighbor, retired gasoline truck driver Wayne Smith, 70, to ask him to get their mail. Smith, who is not particularly close to the Loughners, grabbed the mail and was invited inside.
"They're in there now," Smith said in a subsequent interview with The Times. "They're both in there crying. He's crying and hanging on to me and she's not even out of bed."
Smith described the Loughners as very private and said they knew few people on their street, although they had lived in the neighborhood since before Jared, 22, was born. He said Jared was their only child. Smith said Loughner's mother, Amy, had a good job with good retirement and pay, and Randy was a stay-at-home dad who liked to work on cars.
"He worshipped the boy," Smith said.
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All three wept together outside on Saturday. "We stood right out there and cried for an hour. I'm a softie," Smith said. "A man needs compassion. He's broken up about his son, but also about all those people who died."
Smith said the family is intensely private. "The best way I can describe it, they're like a mountain man," he said. "They want to be alone."
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no such thing...
bench
grown men should never believe in fairy tales....
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What's yours going to read if you can't find someone? maybe "240 is Back is #1 awesome" :D Or maybe, "I love liberals: Socialism rocks" lol...
For how long?
What are the rules? I don't want you going out and posting it somewhere then saying you found it lol...
tomorrow, drank to much...bet on oregon(the bastards) b/c i dont watch college football for this very sucky reason...
yours will be "tebow owns the Texans"...
and no, no, you know me well enough it will be on the level, from a 3rd party who thinks that astronauts cannot survive in orbit...
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tomorrow, drank to much...bet on oregon(the bastards) b/c i dont watch college football for this very sucky reason...
yours will be "tebow owns the Texans"...
and no, no, you know me well enough it will be on the level, from a 3rd party who thinks that astronauts cannot survive in orbit...
ok, if I lose I'll put, "tebow, the most overrated draft pick since david carr" If you lose, you have to put "I love liberals: Socialism rocks"
whoever loses has to put it in their sig for one week :)
The source has to be dated. You might not cheat but maybe someone else here might and feel like helping out lol. Just some way to confirm that it wasn't created since this bet is fine.
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Interesting read
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/10/cleaver-toxic-rhetoric-is-celebrated-in-washington/
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LMAO, you really have no clue bro...just b/c something is illegal doesnt mean it isnt readily available ::)
drugs are illegal here in the US but I bet I could score some in less than 30 mins...
guns are illegal in japan but they have them
same with england...
educate yourself before you spout off
I'm not trying to argue with you or anybody else in here.
Maybe i was not clear enough... Sorry English is my second language.
I will try to explain my point again.
For example the guy in Arizona... He was suspended from school, and could not return till he bring/show. Some type of mental test/exams. And plus most of he's friend was saying that it was something wrong with him. And even like that he went to store and bought a gun.
Now just because you have the right to own/buy a gun.... Don't you think they should do a better background check? or some other type of checking?
And I know that people can buy stuf in a black market/ streets or whatever.
It looks to me that all those. shootings situations could be stop or at least decrease if you guys could be more restricted of who can have a gun ... Or who can not have a gun.
Did I make myself clear this time?
If I'm wrong please educate me.
Thanks.
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I'm not trying to argue with you or anybody else in here.
Maybe i was not clear enough... Sorry English is my second language.
I will try to explain my point again.
For example the guy in Arizona... He was suspended from school, and could not return till he bring/show. Some type of mental test/exams. And plus most of he's friend was saying that it was something wrong with him. And even like that he went to store and bought a gun.
Now just because you have the right to own/buy a gun.... Don't you think they should do a better background check? or some other type of checking?
And I know that people can buy stuf in a black market/ streets or whatever.
It looks to me that all those. shootings situations could be stop or at least decrease if you guys could be more restricted of who can have a gun ... Or who can not have a gun.
Did I make myself clear this time?
If I'm wrong please educate me.
Thanks.
are you guys in brazil not strict on who can and cannot own guns? serious question, im not trying to instigate or change the subject...
I see your point and it is valid, the problem is that ppl simply saying that someone is not right in the head doesnt make it so...I think straw man is a straight up moron the majority of the time same as 240 but that doesnt mean they shouldnt be able to own a gun
The problem isnt that they can get guns, its that they want or have the desire to carry out insane acts such as this...
even without guns they would still kill ppl
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ok, if I lose I'll put, "tebow, the most overrated draft pick since david carr" If you lose, you have to put "I love liberals: Socialism rocks"
whoever loses has to put it in their sig for one week :)
The source has to be dated. You might not cheat but maybe someone else here might and feel like helping out lol. Just some way to confirm that it wasn't created since this bet is fine.
deal, ill get to it find it tonight
and revel in sweet victory ;D
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The list was a VERY bad idea. But we DO NOT know if it is related in any way whatsoever. We must not jump to any conclusions.
SEE - THIS IS EXACTLY THE GAMES YOU PLAY.
Not 60 inutes in to this thng.
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are you guys in brazil not strict on who can and cannot own guns? serious question, im not trying to instigate or change the subject...
I see your point and it is valid, the problem is that ppl simply saying that someone is not right in the head doesnt make it so...I think straw man is a straight up moron the majority of the time same as 240 but that doesnt mean they shouldnt be able to own a gun
The problem isnt that they can get guns, its that they want or have the desire to carry out insane acts such as this...
even without guns they would still kill ppl
A little bit ... we can have guns (not automatic pistols/rifles-semi automatic long guns are illegal.)
Brazilians without a criminal record may apply to the Police for a gun license (Registro) In fact, Brazilians are entitled to keep up to SIX firearms at home and business premises (up to two pistols, two rifles and two shotguns ) . However, although it is relatively straightforward for Brazilians to keep guns at home and at their business premises, this DOES NOT mean that they are entitled to carry guns in public places. In order to do that an extended license is required which IS difficult to acquire (Porte).
Acquisition of firearms in Brazil
INDIVIDUAL
To purchase a firearm for use allowed people should go to a unit of federal police armed with completed application , and submit the following documents and conditions:
(A) Minimum age of 25 years, except for the positions set out in Article 28 of Law 10.826/03 ;
(B) copies or original and copy of ID Card, and proof of residence;
(C) written statement of actual necessity, stating facts and circumstances justifying the request;
(D) Proof of good standing with the presentation of negative certificates of criminal records provided by the Federal Court, State, Military and Electoral and not responding to police investigation or criminal proceeding, which may be provided by electronic media;
(E) presentation of a document proving lawful occupation;
(F) Proof of technical capacity and psychological ability to handle a firearm;
(G) 1 (a) recent 3x4 photo.
POLICE
1.For purchase a firearm from the police permitted use shall apply to a unit of federal police armed with completed application , and submit the following documents and conditions:
(A) copies of the identification functional;
(B) written statement of actual necessity, stating facts and circumstances justifying the request;
(C) 1 (a) recent 3x4 photo.
: 2.For purchase a firearm from a restricted police must observe the regulations issued by the Army Command, as follows:
FEDERAL POLICE - Ordinance No. 020 - D LOG from November 23, 2005
POLICE ROAD FEDERAL POLICE CIVILIAN, MILITARY AND FIRE STATE AND FEDERAL DISTRICT - Ordinance No. 021 - D LOG from November 23, 2005
JUDGES AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
For purchase a firearm from the Magistrate permitted use / member of the prosecutor must apply to a unit of federal police armed with completed application , and submit the following documents and conditions:
(A) certified copy or original and copy of identification document functional and *CPF; ( SSN )
(B) written statement of actual necessity, stating facts and circumstances justifying the request;
(C) Proof of technical capacity for handling a firearm;
(D) 1 (a) recent 3x4 photo.
2.For purchase a firearm from the Magistrate restricted / member of the public prosecutor shall observe the regulations issued by the Army Command, as follows:
ORDINANCE No. 535 OF 1 OCTOBER 2002 - Ministry of Defense - Authorizes members of the Public Ministry, the Union and the states, and members of the Judiciary to acquire the domestic industry, for its own use, restricted weapon.
D LOG OF 23 DECEMBER 2002 - Approves the rules governing the acquisition, sale, registration, Registration and Transfer of Ownership of .40 caliber pistol, members of the Judiciary and Public Prosecution Service, the Federal and State and other matters.
AGENTS AND MUNICIPAL GUARD
To purchase a firearm for use permitted the AGPEN / GCM should go to a unit of federal police armed with completed application , and submit the following documents and conditions:
(A) certified copies or original and copy of ID Card, Functional identification and proof of residence;
(B) written statement of actual necessity, stating facts and circumstances justifying the request;
(C) Proof of good standing with the presentation of negative certificates of criminal records provided by the Federal Court, State, Military and Electoral and not responding to police investigation or criminal proceeding, which may be provided by electronic media;
(D) Proof of technical capacity and psychological ability to handle a firearm, according to article 36 of Decree 5.123/04, as amended by Decree 6.146/2007;
(E) 1 (a) recent 3x4 photo.
AUDITORS OF THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE, TAX AUDITOR-WORK, AUDITOR-TAX AND TAX ANALYSTS
1.For purchase a firearm from use permitted members of the careers above shall apply to a unit of federal police armed with completed application , and submit the following documents and conditions:
(A) certified copies or original and copy of ID Card, Functional identification and proof of residence;
(B) written statement of actual necessity, stating facts and circumstances justifying the request;
(C) Proof of good standing with the presentation of negative certificates of criminal records provided by the Federal Court, State, Military and Electoral and not responding to police investigation or criminal proceeding, which may be provided by electronic media;
(D) Proof of technical capacity and psychological ability to handle a firearm, according to article 36 of Decree 5.123/04, as amended by Decree 6.146/2007;
(E) 1 (a) recent 3x4 photo.
2.For acquire a firearm may be privileged members of the careers above should observe the regulations issued by the Army Command, as follows:
Approves the rules governing the acquisition, registration, Registration and Transfer of Ownership of .40 pistol, by career members of the Audit, Tax Auditors and Technical Revenue Service, Di Involved in Anti-righteously and Punishment Crimes of Smuggling and Embezzlement.
ORDINANCE No. 447 OF 26 JUNE 2008 - Ministry of Defense - Authorizes the acquisition of weapons of restricted use, for their own use by career members of the audit, tax and Technical Revenue Service, Di-righteously Involved in Combating and Crackdown on Crimes of Smuggling and Embezzlement.
Gun Possession -Porte-
This is the document valid for up to five years, allowing citizens to possess, carry and carry a firearm discreetly, outside the premises of your home or workplace.
For possession of a firearm citizen should go to a federal police unit armed with completed application , and submit the following documents and conditions:
(A) Minimum age of 25 years;
(B) copies or original and copy of ID Card, and proof of residence;
(C) written statement of actual necessity, stating facts and circumstances justifying the request, particularly with regard to the exercise of professional activity of risk or threat to physical integrity;
(D) Proof of good standing with the presentation of negative certificates of criminal records provided by the Federal Court, State, Military and Electoral and not responding to police investigation or criminal proceeding, which may be provided by electronic media;
(E) presentation of a document proving lawful occupation and residence;
(F) Proof of technical capacity and psychological ability to handle a firearm;
(G) copy of certificate of registration of firearms;
(H) 1 (a) recent 3x4 photo.
IMPORTANT
1.The proof of technical capacity ( Instructors Armaments and Tyre ) and psychological fitness ( Psychologists ) for the handling of a firearm must be provided by professional licensed by the Federal Police.
2.The rate shipping Porte Federal Gun should only be paid after the grant of authorization by the Federal Police.
3.The authorized to carry firearms will automatically lose its effectiveness if the holder is arrested or approached her while intoxicated or under the influence of hallucinogenic substances or chemicals.
4.The holder to carry a firearm for self defense can not lead her to her conspicuously or enter or remain in public places such as churches, schools, sports stadiums, clubs,bars, banks or other places where there is overcrowding due to events of any kind.
5.The Gun Possession is a personal, nontransferable, revocable at any time and is valid only with the weapon specified therein and the presentation of the identification carrier.
But most Brazilians don't care to own a gun.
But in the black market you can get whatever you want. you know like drugs.
And one of the biggest problem is the corruption... because all the weapons that the criminals/drug dealers in Brazil use, are sold to them by the pigs (military police).
So its hard to fight/fix the system.
Have you seen the movie Elite Squad? 1 and 2.
If you haven't seen it yet check it out. I don't know if the Elite Squad 2.Was showing in America if not... see if you can rent/download a copy.
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Badly wounded Arizona lawmaker is 'holding her own'
By the CNN Wire Staff
January 11, 2011
Tucson, Arizona (CNN) -- U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords remained in critical condition Tuesday after she was shot in the head on Saturday at the rampage at her meet-and-greet event, but she is breathing on her own and doctors have backed off on some sedation.
"I'm happy to say she's holding her own," said Dr. Michael Lemole Jr., chief of neurosurgery at University Medical Center. "Her status is the same as it was yesterday. She's still following simple commands."
Lemole said she's generating her own breaths.
"The only reason we keep that breathing tube in is to protect her airway so that she doesn't have complications like pneumonia," he told reporters.
How Giffords survived brain shot Senator urges ban on large gun clips Hart: 'Tone it down!' How do you defend a shooting suspect?
Lemole said he's encouraged by the fact that she's "done so well" with an injury where survival and recovery are "abysmal."
"This is where we constantly say it's week to week, month to month. I know everyone wants new results every day but as long as we don't backslide and as long as she holds her own, that's good. That keeps us hopeful."
"We have to play this according to her timeline, not ours," he said.
Lemole said "she has no right to look this good and she does."
"We're hopeful, but I do want to underscore the seriousness of this injury and the fact that we all have to be extremely patient."
Six of the victims in the Saturday shooting remain at University Medical Center, Chief of Emergency Medicine Peter Rhee said. Along with Giffords, three people are in serious condition and two are in fair condition.
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/11/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1
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gracie it seems as you guys have stricter gun laws than we do yet you also have higher death rates from guns.
I think this shows that simply cracking down on who gets guns isnt the answer its addressing the individuals themselves who would use the guns to do things such as this because its obvious that the gun is just the tool used to carry out this attack and that the attack would still have happend in another form without a gun.
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This guy has serial killer all over him. If it wasn't a gun he would have bombed the place.
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Tony, any luck yet on finding someone else who believes shuttles aren't capable of supporting life in orbit?
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Tony, any luck yet on finding someone else who believes shuttles aren't capable of supporting life in orbit?
havent looked yet but ill will tonight, just got home and am about to eat and head to the gym...but after that ill have you bad mouthing tebow everytime you post ;D
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I really think this guy had the whole romantic obsession thing with her going on. Can't prove it, but I think this had nothing to do w politics.
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havent looked yet but ill will tonight, just got home and am about to eat and head to the gym...but after that ill have you bad mouthing tebow everytime you post ;D
If you win, yea, I'll be badmouthing tebow for a week, if you lose, you'll be glorifying libs and socialism for a week. Which by the way I did not pick because I agree with, just as a suitable price to pay for the lol factor...
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I really think this guy had the whole romantic obsession thing with her going on. Can't prove it, but I think this had nothing to do w politics.
Maybe we should report 240's account to Palin's security staff?
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I think 240 brainwashed the shooter into his rampage. I don't have any evidence or proof whatsoever. However, they are both white rednecks that suffer from mental illness. Therefore, I have no problem in announcing to anyone who will listen that 240 or bust is responsible for the carnage. His "vitriol" and "negativity" toward Sarah Palin led to this unfortunate incident.
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I think 240 brainwashed the shooter into his rampage. I don't have any evidence or proof whatsoever. However, they are both white rednecks that suffer from mental illness. Therefore, I have no problem in announcing to anyone who will listen that 240 or bust is responsible for the carnage. His "vitriol" and "negativity" toward Sarah Palin led to this unfortunate incident.
welcome back George ;D ;) :-*
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Thank you darlin' ;)
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LOL!
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This is the most blaming I've ever seen in politics. Just about everyone is pointing fingers at the other person. wow...
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This is the most blaming I've ever seen in politics. Just about everyone is pointing fingers at the other person. wow...
Hugo wake the fuck up. Everybody is blaming the right. The right is defending itself. As usual, people are attempting to gloss over the obvious and intellectually bankrupt efforts of the left to use this tragedy as an excuse to muzzle free speech, demonize conservatives, discredit the Tea Party and enact wildly unpopular legislation in the process- (Gun control and the fairness doctrine among other things).
Nobody on the right has blamed anyone for the massacre except the gunman who pulled the trigger.
Hope this helps.
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240, a tactless individual, wasted less than an hour before trying to exploit the murder of a child for political gain. It nauseates me just thinking about it.
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Hugo wake the fuck up. Everybody is blaming the right. The right is defending itself. As usual, people are attempting to gloss over the obvious and intellectually bankrupt efforts of the left to use this tragedy as an excuse to muzzle free speech, demonize conservatives, discredit the Tea Party and enact wildly unpopular legislation in the process- (Gun control and the fairness doctrine among other things).
Nobody on the right has blamed anyone for the massacre except the gunman who pulled the trigger.
Hope this helps.
whoa... you're telling me to wake up? WHAT THE FUCK MAN... I guess you missed my posts denouncing the left blaming the right for this bullshit? All I said was that I haven't seen this much blaming in politics before. Which is fucking true... There's a freaking massive amount of finger pointing going on. I did not blame the left or right in my statement so I think I'm due an appology of sorts...
oh and it's totally untrue that nobody on the right has blamed the left... That's pure bullshit.... Yes they have and there are plenty of examples. The left blamed the right first, then the right responded by blaming the left... that's also a fact.
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I'm telling you, this is not political at all. Check out the note they just found.
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He wrote "die bitch" on a note they found at the house.
This was personal and had nothing to do with palin.
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He wrote "die bitch" on a note they found at the house.
This was personal and had nothing to do with palin.
Palin's a woman, Gifford's a woman. I don't know man, that's just too similar to be coincidental.
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this is all getting so freaking insane I'm not sure I can even comment more...
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APNewsBreak: More warning signs on day of shooting
Yahoo News ^ | January 11, 2011 | Amanda Lee Myers and Justin Pritchard, Associated Press
Edited on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 8:59:55 PM by Admin Moderator. [history]
TUCSON, Ariz. – The 22-year-old man accused of trying to assassinate Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in a deadly shooting rampage wrote "Die, bitch" in a note found at his home, a sheriff's official told The Associated Press on Tuesday.
Investigators believe Jared Loughner's handwritten message was a reference to Giffords, Pima County Chief Rick Kastigar said. It was found in a safe alongside other ones, including "I planned ahead," "My assassination" and the name "Giffords."
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Those still carrying on with the palin smears are vile and and now knowing engaging in blood libel.
Guys, lets say some freak targets Palin and tries to shoot her. Do we blame the 24/7 left hatefest for it regardless of the motive?
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APNewsBreak: More warning signs on day of shooting
Yahoo News ^ | January 11, 2011 | Amanda Lee Myers and Justin Pritchard, Associated Press
Edited on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 8:59:55 PM by Admin Moderator. [history]
TUCSON, Ariz. – The 22-year-old man accused of trying to assassinate Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in a deadly shooting rampage wrote "Die, bitch" in a note found at his home, a sheriff's official told The Associated Press on Tuesday.
Investigators believe Jared Loughner's handwritten message was a reference to Giffords, Pima County Chief Rick Kastigar said. It was found in a safe alongside other ones, including "I planned ahead," "My assassination" and the name "Giffords."
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Those still carrying on with the palin smears are vile and and now knowing engaging in blood libel.
Guys, lets say some freak targets Palin and tries to shoot her. Do we blame the 24/7 left hatefest for it regardless of the motive?
The leftist MSM would say that her rhetoric brought it on herself.
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fox8.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-us-congresswoman-shot,0,2116127.story
WJW
APNewsBreak: Authorities say disturbing note found in possession of Arizona gunman
AMANDA LEE MYERS, JUSTIN PRITCHARD
Associated Press
8:49 PM EST, January 11, 2011
TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) — Investigators on Tuesday revealed more disturbing details about the events leading up to the assassination attempt against U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, including a menacing handwritten note in the suspect's home with the words "Die, bitch."
And on the day of the shooting, a mumbling Jared Loughner ran into the desert near his home after his father asked him why he was removing a black bag from the trunk of a family car, sheriff's officials said. Loughner resurfaced later Saturday when authorities say he showed up at a grocery store in a taxi and carried out the rampage that injured 14 people and killed six, including a federal judge and a 9-year-old girl.
Investigators provided the new details to The Associated Press and said they're still searching for the bag. They suspect it could contain clues into Loughner's motives.
"The bag is very important to us," said Capt. Chris Nanos, head of the Pima County Sheriff's Department's criminal investigations division. "What was in that bag and is there any relevance?"
"What if he wrote a note that says, 'Hey, I'm going to go do these things and I know it's wrong but I'm still going to do them,'" Nanos said. "That'd be a pretty good piece of evidence."
Authorities previously said they found handwritten notes in Loughner's safe reading "I planned ahead," ''My assassination" and the name "Giffords." Pima County Chief Rick Kastigar and Nanos told the AP they also found notes with the words "Die, bitch", which they believe referenced Giffords, and "Die, cops."
All the writings were either in an envelope or on an actual form letter Giffords' office sent him in 2007 after he attended one of her political events, Nanos said.
For all of it, Loughner's parents, silent and holed up in their home since the shooting spree, apologized Tuesday.
"There are no words that can possibly express how we feel," Randy and Amy Loughner wrote in a statement handed to reporters waiting outside their house. "We wish that there were, so we could make you feel better. We don't understand why this happened.
"We care very deeply about the victims and their families. We are so very sorry for their loss."
The apparent target of the attack, Giffords, 40, was able to breathe on her own Tuesday at an intensive care unit here, another hopeful sign of her progress, doctors said.
Meanwhile, the Arizona city shattered by the rampage prepared for an evening memorial service and a visit from President Barack Obama on Wednesday.
In addition the new details about the hours before the shooting, interviews with those who knew Loughner or his family painted a picture of a young loner who did try to fit in.
Before everything fell apart, he went through the motions as many young men do nowadays: Living at home with his parents, working low-wage jobs at big brand stores and volunteering time doing things he liked.
None of it worked. His relationship with his parents was strained. He clashed with co-workers and police. And he couldn't follow the rules at an animal shelter where he spent some time.
One close high school friend who requested anonymity to avoid the publicity surrounding the case said he would wait outside 10 minutes for Jared to leave the house when they were going out.
When Jared would get into the car, he'd say that it took so long because his parents were hassling him.
The parents of another close friend recalled how Loughner's parents showed up at their doorstep in 2008 looking for their son, who had left home about a week before and broken off contact.
While the friend, Zach Osler, didn't want to talk with the AP, his parents Roxanne and George Osler IV did.
With the Loughners at their house, Zach Osler told them the name of the local hotel where their only child was staying, Zach's father said. Jared moved back in, he said.
After that, Osler's dad sometimes would see Mrs. Loughner at the local supermarket, though they didn't chat much. He recalled that every time he saw her she had at least one 30-pack of beer in her cart.
Loughner, now 22, would come over several times a week from 2007 to 2008, the Oslers said.
The boys listened to the heavy metal band Slipknot and progressive rockers The Mars Volta, studied the form of meditative movement called tai chi, and watched and discussed movies.
Loughner's favorites included little-known conspiracy theory documentaries such as "Zeitgeist" and "Loose Change" as well as bigger studio productions with cult followings and themes of brainwashing, science fiction and altered states of consciousness, including "Donnie Darko" and "A Scanner Darkly."
Even in small talk, he struck the Oslers as unusual.
"He always said, 'Hi, Mrs. Osler. How are you today?' When he left he made a point of coming over and saying, 'Thank you for having me over,'" said Roxanne Osler, noting that was not typical for Zach's friends. "Jared struck me as a young man who craved attention and acceptance."
Once he shared with the Oslers a short story he had written about a reporter meeting an angel during the apocalypse.
George Osler IV read it, thought it was well written, but couldn't identify the point.
"He seemed like he was kind of offended that I didn't get the message," George Osler said.
Meanwhile, the unfailingly polite kid they knew was getting into trouble.
Loughner was arrested in October 2008 on a vandalism charge near Tucson after admitting that he vandalized a road sign with a magic marker, scrawling the letters "C'' and "X'' in a reference to what he said was Christianity.
The case was ultimately dismissed after he paid a $500 fine and completed a diversion program.
Even when Loughner tried to do good, it didn't work out.
A year ago, he volunteered walking adoptable dogs at the county animal shelter, said Kim Janes, manager of the Pima Animal Care Center. He liked dogs; neighbors remember him as the kid they would see walking his own.
At the shelter, staff became concerned: He was allowing dogs to play in an area that was being disinfected after one had contracted a potentially deadly disease, the parvovirus.
"He didn't think the disease was that threatening and when we tried to explain how dangerous some of the diseases are. He didn't get it," Janes said.
He wouldn't agree to keep dogs from the restricted area, and was asked to come back when he would. He never returned.
Loughner also jumped from paid job to job because he couldn't get along with co-workers, according to the close high school friend who requested anonymity. Employers included a Quiznos sandwich shop and Banana Republic, the friend said.
On his application at the animal shelter, he listed customer service work at Eddie Bauer.
Loughner grew up on an unremarkable Tucson block of low-slung homes with palm trees and cactus gardens out front. Fittingly, it's called Soledad Avenue — Spanish for solitude.
Solitude found Loughner, even when he tried to escape it. He had buddies but always fell out of touch, typically severing the friendship with a text message. Zach Osler was one such friend.
Loughner's father moved into the house as a bachelor, and eventually got married, longtime next-door neighbor George Gayan said. Property records show Randy Loughner has lived there since 1977.
Gayan said he and Randy Loughner had "differences of opinion but nothing where it was radical or violent." He declined to provide specifics. "As time went on, they indicated they wanted privacy," Gayan said.
Unlike other homes on the block, the Loughners' is obscured by plants. It was assessed in 2010 at $137,842.
Randy Loughner apparently has not worked for years — at least outside his home. He did fix up cars. Gayan said he had three "show cars" and two of Jared Loughner's friends said he bought a junker 1969 orange Chevrolet Nova and made it pristine.
Amy Loughner got a job with the county parks and recreation department just before Jared was born, and since at least 2002 has been the supervisor for Roy P. Drachman Agua Caliente Park on the outskirts of the city. She earns $25.70 an hour, according to Gwyn Hatcher, Pima County's human resources director.
"She's worked hard, done a good job of keeping it looking good," said Charles Ford, a former Tucson City Council member who is a board member of Friends of Agua Caliente Park.
Linda McKinley, 62, has lived down the street from the Loughner family for decades and said the parents could not be nicer — but that she had misgivings about Jared as he got older.
"As a parent, my heart aches for them," she said.
She added that when she was outside watering her plants she would see Jared riding down the street on his bike, often talking to himself or yelling out randomly to no one.
Once he yelled to some children on the street: "I'm coming to get you!" McKinley said.
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Associated Press writers Alicia Chang and Gillian Flaccus in Tucson, Jacques Billeaud in Phoenix, Christy Lemire in Los Angeles and news researcher Julie Reed in Charlotte, N.C., contributed to this report.
Copyright 2011 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
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Prof. Called 911 on Loughner after Class "Rant" (Had 5 Run-ins with College Police)
CBS News ^ | 1/10/11
Prof. Called 911 on Loughner after Class "Rant"
Says She Called Police in September after Tucson Shooting Suspect Raved about Constitution, Freedom of Speech
Jan. 10, 2011
(CBS) TUSCON -- Debbie Scheidemantel got to know Jared Loughner when he was a student in her biology class at Tucson's Pima Community College last summer.
The adjunct professor says she once had to call police and have Loughner removed from her class.
**SNIP**
She explained, "I was collecting papers that were due at the beginning of class. A different student had realized he forgot his paper and asked if he could turn it in late, and I said he could, but it would be half-credit. Then Jared realized that he didn't have his assignment. He raised his hand, and asked if he could turn it in late. And I said, yes, but for half-credit. At that point, he was upset, he said, 'No, I want full credit.' And I said, 'No, it's half-credit, it's part of the policy, it's spelled out in the syllabus.'
"Students understand this," Scheidemantel said. "But he didn't seem to, and he pointed at the flag, and the Constitution up at the front of the room and said that I was taking away his freedom of speech, I was taking away his individual rights, that it was unconstitutional. He was saying that, you know, he's paying me, and therefore I'm taking away his freedom of speech if I don't give him full credit. Well, I did calm him down. And I told him, you know, at that point, we couldn't resolve it real quick, so I said, you know, talk to me at the break. And he seemed to calm down. And class started."
But Loughner's disruptive behavior, Scheidemantel said, didn't end there.
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Loughner, now 22, would come over several times a week from 2007 to 2008, the Oslers said.
The boys listened to the heavy metal band Slipknot and progressive rockers The Mars Volta, studied the form of meditative movement called tai chi, and watched and discussed movies.
Loughner's favorites included little-known conspiracy theory documentaries such as "Zeitgeist" and "Loose Change" as well as bigger studio productions with cult followings and themes of brainwashing, science fiction and altered states of consciousness, including "Donnie Darko" and "A Scanner Darkly."
Do tell . . . .
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Do tell . . . .
like you would understand... ::)
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The left wing media establishment have really out done themselves with this.
Shit - people could learn more about what happened on this thread alone than if they read the msn newspapers and cable tv all day.
Just horrible what they have done.
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like you would understand... ::)
I understand he watched Loose Change. :)
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I understand he watched Loose Change. :)
He was a delusional freak show obssessed with this woman since 2007.
Politics had nothing to do with this.
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He was a delusional freak show obssessed with this woman since 2007.
Politics had nothing to do with this.
Certainly not in the way some in the media and Congress have tried to paint it.
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I understand he watched Loose Change. :)
I understand you're the biggest dipshit ever and I should have never suggested you as mod.
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I understand you're the biggest dipshit ever and I should have never suggested you as mod.
My goodness. You just might be the biggest baby on this board. ::)
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My goodness. You just might be the biggest baby on this board. ::)
my goodness, you might talk like the biggest pussy ever... "my goodness?" haha, you fairy...
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my goodness, oh dear, me my... lol... ::) freaking queef.
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Certainly not in the way some in the media and Congress have tried to paint it.
That is why I am not even watching the TV much, there is nothing to be learned or gained from it. The coverage is not worthy of a third grader.
They are completely missing this story just to push a political agenda, not to report the real story, which is the fact that this kid was a ticking timb bomb and obssessessed with this woman for three years.
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That is why I am not even watching the TV much, there is nothing to be learned or gained from it. The coverage is not worthy of a third grader.
They are completely missing this story just to push a political agenda, not to report the real story, which is the fact that this kid was a ticking timb bomb and obssessessed with this woman for three years.
It's shameful.
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Based on the "inflamatory rhetoric" used by right wingers in this thread, I can only reach one conclusion; Watching loose change will turn you into a serial killer and cause schizophrenia. Everyone who comes to this board should contact the FCC and their local law enforcement agencies so that 240, Hugo, et. al are all committed before they go on shooting rampages against their elected officials.
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Police Say They Visited Tucson Suspect’s Home Even Before Rampage
NY Times ^ | 1/11/11 | Jo Becker
TUCSON — The police were sent to the home where Jared L. Loughner lived with his family on more than one occasion before the attack here on Saturday that left a congresswoman fighting for her life and six others dead, the Pima County Sheriff’s Department said on Tuesday.
A spokesman, Jason Ogan, said the details of the calls were being reviewed by legal counsel and would be released as soon as the review was complete. He said he did not know what the calls were about — they could possibly have been minor, even trivial matters — or whether they involved Jared Loughner or another member of the household.
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Based on the "inflamatory rhetoric" used by right wingers in this thread, I can only reach one conclusion; Watching loose change will turn you into a serial killer and cause schizophrenia. Everyone who comes to this board should contact the FCC and their local law enforcement agencies so that 240, Hugo, et. al are all committed before they go on shooting rampages against their elected officials.
be nice
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If you win, yea, I'll be badmouthing tebow for a week, if you lose, you'll be glorifying libs and socialism for a week. Which by the way I did not pick because I agree with, just as a suitable price to pay for the lol factor...
"Humans Cannot Survive In Orbit"
http://www.scribd.com/doc/20157693/Kalpana-One-a-New-Orbital-Space-Colony-Design
scroll down to the second topic...
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there is alot of stuff out there talking about supposed weightlessness, radiation from the sun etc...about not being able to survive long times in orbit...
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"Humans Cannot Survive In Orbit"
http://www.scribd.com/doc/20157693/Kalpana-One-a-New-Orbital-Space-Colony-Design
scroll down to the second topic...
dude ::) I have to read the rest of it but it's clear that's dealing with the survivability of actual colonies in orbit. There is no CT here. They're addressing real problems of long term survival in orbit. Jared's CT was that all shuttles were launched unmanned and that the shuttle was not even capable of sustaining life in orbit. I'll read the rest but this is not going to cut it bro...
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dude ::) I have to read the rest of it but it's clear that's dealing with the survivability of actual colonies in orbit. There is no CT here. They're addressing real problems of long term survival in orbit. Jared's CT was that all shuttles were launched unmanned and that the shuttle was not even capable of sustaining life in orbit. I'll read the rest but this is not going to cut it bro...
sorry youll have to post the guys quotes so i can read those too, from what i understood i was just trying to find other ppl that say you cannot survive in orbit...
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yea, ok, tony, that's dealing with the long term COLONIZATION OF SPACE and proposals to fix known problems with long term living in space. That's not remotely close to Jared's idea that space shuttles are launched empty because they are not able to sustain live in orbit.
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sorry youll have to post the guys quotes so i can read those too, from what i understood i was just trying to find other ppl that say you cannot survive in orbit...
I posted the quotes several times, you want me to post them again? I even posted them asking you to read the whole thing?
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sorry youll have to post the guys quotes so i can read those too, from what i understood i was just trying to find other ppl that say you cannot survive in orbit...
yea, he doesn't think the space shuttle can sustain life in orbit at all. The article you quoted is talking about long term colonization in orbit which is an actual real problem everyone knows about.
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I posted the quotes several times, you want me to post them again? I even posted them asking you to read the whole thing?
yes please, im sure i did at the time...i remember one about -452, living space etc....
I was under the impression that i was just proving that others thought that humans couldnt survive in orbit...
please post the quote and ill see what i can find
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yes please, im sure i did at the time...i remember one about -452, living space etc....
I was under the impression that i was just proving that others thought that humans couldnt survive in orbit...
please post the quote and ill see what i can find
you could not have been under that impression. I stated clearly several times that he though the space shuttle was not able to support life in orbit. The article you quoted is talking about long term colonization in orbit which is not a conspiracy theory at all but a real problem scientists deal with solving even today.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=361789.msg5122488#msg5122488
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=361789.msg5122407#msg5122407
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?board=51.0
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=361789.msg5122276#msg5122276
"This thread is to deny the crew in the space shuttle. As a result, you'll make a significant wish at a beautiful falling star!"--Jared
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hey, I tried my best to tell you what the guy was saying and how extremely nuts it is.
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also, quoting the original post that you challenged:
Another thing.... Much of what Jared believed is completely unique to Jared. There is nodody else who believes some of the shit he said. Like that it's impossible for a person to survive in space. He believes all shuttle's are unmanned and they use a green screens to fake astronauts in space. I'm pretty sure he's the only person in the world who thinks that's true, so don't tell me the CT stuff from others is just as crazy.
yes, he actually said astronauts are faked via green sceen:
'If the crew of the NASA mission uses a green screen then they are able to fake the mission.
The crew of the NASA mission uses a green screen.
Therefore, they are able to fake the mission.
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hey, I tried my best to tell you what the guy was saying and how extremely nuts it is.
LOL i never said what the guy saying wasnt nuts, again my point was to show that he was trying to organize it in a specific format...
in a logical philosophical argument, you can say crazy ass things and make a valid philosphical argument...
for all we know this is what this moron was trying to do...
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also, quoting the original post that you challenged:
yes, he actually said astronauts are faked via green sceen:
'If the crew of the NASA mission uses a green screen then they are able to fake the mission.
The crew of the NASA mission uses a green screen.
Therefore, they are able to fake the mission.
LOL bro...do you not know the moon landing ct?
they think they moon landing was done in a hollywood set...
alot of ct'ers think that humans have never been to the moon...
again toxic does here citing the van allen ray belt or something or other...
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LOL bro...do you not know the moon landing ct?
they think they moon landing was done in a hollywood set...
alot of ct'ers think that humans have never been to the moon...
again toxic does here citing the van allen ray belt or something or other...
we already addressed the moon landing CT. This has nothing to do with the moon landing CT, even they all believe we put people in orbit.. I made it quite clear that this was about Jared's belief that the shuttles are launched unmanned because he believes the shuttle cannot sustain a livable space for humans in orbit. I posted all the info showing that.
Hey, I made all this clear. Are you trying to back out of the bet?
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lets see that new sig Tony ;D
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we already addressed the moon landind CT. This has nothing to do with the moon landing CT, even they all believe we put people in orbit.. I made it quite clear that this was about Jared's belief that the shuttles are launched unmanned because he believes the shuttle cannot sustain a livable space for humans in orbit. I posted all the info showing that.
Hey, I made all this clear. Are you trying to back out of the bet?
ok so why bring the green screen one up?
LOL which one im I trying to prove others believe? specifically? i already proved that there are ppl who believe that humans cant survive in orbit...
dont impune my word sir... ;D
i dont welch on my bets
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couldn't find one example huh :D yea I couldn't either. So I guess you just have faith that there are others that think space shuttles are launched empty. No proof whatsoever. Tony, sometimes you crack me up ;D
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lol ok just to be clear im proving that other believe that space shuttles are launched empty?
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ok so why bring the green screen one up?
LOL which one im I trying to prove others believe? specifically? i already proved that there are ppl who believe that humans cant survive in orbit...
dont impune my word sir... ;D
i dont welch on my bets
why bring the green screen up? duh...
1. He thinks space shuttle cannot support life in orbit
2. He that when we see a shuttle crew in orbit it's faked via green screen.
3. He thinks all shuttles are launched unmanned.
All this is clear in what he said if you read the quotes I posted and the quotes I emplored you to read entirely.
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lol ok just to be clear im proving that other believe that space shuttles are launched empty?
You're trying to prove that there is someone else who believes that the space shuttle cannot support life in orbit and that all shuttle missions are launched unmanned and that when we see the space shuttle crew it is faked via green screen. I made that clear as hell imo... I posted all this info from him a few times.
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to give you an example, there are some people that think we launch shuttles unmanned to a base on the moon. That is not the same as thinking the shuttle cannot support life in orbit at all. Those people just believe we got something going on with a base on the moon, not that man can't survive in orbit.
AT A MINIMUM, YOU KNEW THIS WAS ABOUT BELIEVING THE SHUTTLE WAS NOT ABLE TO SUPPORT LIFE IN ORBIT.
I'll see you tomorrow with your new sig ;D
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You're trying to prove that there is someone else who believes that the space shuttle cannot support life in orbit and that all shuttle missions are launched unmanned and that when we see the space shuttle crew it is faked via green screen. I made that clear as hell imo... I posted all this info from him a few times.
lol i do not believe you made that clear...
I dont think the green screen is a big deal what he is saying is that the missions are faked the modality isnt that big of a deal imho...
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to give you an example, there are some people that think we launch shuttles unmanned to a base on the moon. That is not the same as thinking the shuttle cannot support life in orbit at all. Those people just believe we got something going on with a base on the moon, not that man can't survive in orbit.
AT A MINIMUM, YOU KNEW THIS WAS ABOUT BELIEVING THE SHUTTLE WAS NOT ABLE TO SUPPORT LIFE IN ORBIT.
I'll see you tomorrow with your new sig ;D
and ive shown that there are ppl out there that believe that life cannot be supported in orbit...
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lol i do not believe you made that clear...
I dont think the green screen is a big deal what he is saying is that the missions are faked the modality isnt that big of a deal imho...
yes it is, he clearly makes an argument that the shuttle cannot support life. You're right, the green screen is not important past that. It's just a side note explaining how we see astronauts in orbit. He thinks they are green screened in. You don't have to show another person who says that. Just show me another person who thinks that shuttles are unmanned BECAUSE the shuttle cannot support life in orbit. THAT PART IS CLEAR AS HELL...
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and ive shown that there are ppl out there that believe that life cannot be supported in orbit...
NO, you showed that there are people that believe there are problems with LONG TERM COLONIZATION in orbit. That's not even a CT dude, that's a fact that they've been working on for decades. As it is now, if you tried to live life in orbit and raise a family, your ass is grass and your kids are going to come out with 8 legs lol...
Jared doesn't even believe a crew can survive any length of time in orbit, that's why shuttles are unmanned and astronauts are faked according to him..
You're going to worm out of this bet huh? :-\
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NO, you showed that there are people that believe there are problems with LONG TERM COLONIZATION in orbit. That's not even a CT dude, that's a fact that they've been working on for decades. As it is now, if you tried to live life in orbit and raise a family, your ass is grass and your kids are going to come out with 8 legs lol...
Jared doesn't even believe a crew can survive any length of time in orbit, that's why shuttles are unmanned and astronauts are faked according to him..
You're going to worm out of this bet huh? :-\
im not worming out, just trying to clarify...
he didnt specify for what length of time did he?
only that manned missions are fake b/c we cant survive in orbit correct?
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Postings of a Troubled Mind
Accused Shooter Wrote on Gaming Site of His Job Woes, Rejection by Women
By ALEXANDRA BERZON, JOHN R. EMSHWILLER And ROBERT A. GUTH
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703791904576075851892478080.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories#printMode
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Last May 9, at two in the morning, Jared Lee Loughner typed a question to a group of about 50 online gamers located around the world: "Does anyone have aggression 24/7?"
He was back at his keyboard the following night. "If you went to prison right now...What would you be thinking?" he asked.
Online postings last year by accused gunman Jared Lee Loughner.
A trove of 131 online-forum postings written between April and June 2010, which were viewed by The Wall Street Journal, provides insight into Mr. Loughner's mind-set in the year leading up to Saturday's shootings in Tucson, Ariz. He stands accused of killing six people, gravely wounding Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D., Ariz.) and injuring 13 others.
The online postings paint a picture of a disturbed young man trying to impress his peers and struggling to find a purpose to his life. They range from prosaic chatter about weight lifting to nonsensical philosophical ramblings that left some of the gamers who read them wondering whether he was using drugs or had a mental disability.
On Tuesday, after a search of the Loughners' home, federal investigators found a letter from Rep. Giffords's office in which Mr. Loughner had scribbled the words "Die Cops" and "Die Bitch," said Capt. Chris Nanos of the Pima County Sheriff's Department. Capt. Nanos, who was briefed on the findings, said Mr. Loughner had also referenced an assassination in handwritten notes on the letter.
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..The letter, dated 2007, was a form document sent by the staff of Rep. Giffords to thank Mr. Loughner for attending one of her events.
Capt. Nanos confirmed that Tucson local authorities had visited the Loughners' house in the past for minor incidents unrelated to the suspect, except for once: Around 2006 or 2007, the suspect called the authorities to report a case of identity theft. "Someone had used his name on MySpace or Facebook," Capt. Nanos said.
The online-forum messages exhibit a growing frustration that, at 22 years of age, Mr. Loughner couldn't land a minimum-wage job and was spurned by women. By May 15, he wrote, he hadn't had a paycheck in six months. A month later, he wrote that he had submitted 65 applications, yet "no interview."
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.At times, Mr. Loughner seemed to be reaching out to fellow gamers for help and advice, albeit in a disturbing way. Sometimes they offered it, such as giving him pointers about job hunting. At other times, his postings seemed so outrageous that the gamers mocked or ignored him.
The online postings, written using pseudonyms, were shared with the Journal by a person who had access to them. Two fellow gamers who participated in the online forums say the author was the accused gunman, and some of the postings discuss incidents from Mr. Loughner's life that others have corroborated.
Judy Clarke and Mark Fleming, two defense lawyers assigned to represent Mr. Loughner, didn't respond to phone messages left at their San Diego offices. Federal authorities have said they have seized Mr. Loughner's computer and are trying to examine all of the online places where he spent time. A Justice Department spokeswoman declined to comment.
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Jared Loughner's family made their first public comments Tuesday.
.Mr. Loughner's family on Tuesday made its first comments since the shootings. In a written statement, Randy and Amy Loughner said they couldn't understand what motivated their son and expressed condolences for the victims and their families. "There are no words that can possibly express how we feel," they said. "We are so very sorry for their loss."
Mr. Loughner had a history of asking provocative questions. In early high school, he asked unusual questions that were innocent, such as one time when he asked a friend about the purpose of human toes, recalls Joseph Headlee, a former high-school classmate.
His recent online postings are more disturbing. On April 24, he asked: "Would you hit a Handy Cap Child/ Adult?" On May 20 at 12:03 a.m., he remarked: "I bet your hungry....Because i know how to cut a body open and eat you for more then a week. ;-)"
The postings exhibit fixations on grammar, the education system, government and currency, which some friends and acquaintances have described separately in the days since the attack. They are peppered with displays of misogyny.
Mr. Loughner's posts don't mention Rep. Giffords, who is believed to have been the target of the attack, nor do they give any indication that Mr. Loughner was plotting a shooting. But several mention mental breakdowns and violent thoughts. One post alluded to the Fifth Amendment, which aims to protect citizens against the government abusing its power in legal proceedings.
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.Mr. Loughner posted the messages in a private forum associated with the online game Earth Empires. On Tuesday, the site's administrator in a public forum admonished members for sharing information with the media.
In a separate forum, the administrator wrote that he would cooperate with federal authorities if asked. "I want this information to get to the right hands, but I want to make sure it's done through the proper legal means," he wrote.
Gaming appears to have been an important part of Mr. Loughner's life. In the 7th grade, he and a friend, Alex Montanaro, began playing the multiplayer online games Starcraft and Diablo, which featured complex virtual worlds where players assume roles and play against other people around the globe, Mr. Montanaro said in emails over the weekend and Monday.
Around the 9th grade, recalls Mr. Montanaro, Mr. Loughner abandoned the old games and started playing Earth: 2025, now called Earth Empires, a text-based game in which players assume the form of a country and develop its economy. Players form clans and battle other clans.
The game includes social networks built around the clan alliances—private online forums in which players conversed. In those forums at that time, Mr. Loughner often spouted conspiracy theories and got into heated debates with others, according to a forum participant who has been reading Mr. Loughner's posts for years. Mr. Loughner originally played under the pseudonyms Cries and Cry. At various times he also used the aliases Heroin, XTC and Erad, according to two people familiar with the matter, and played for various clans.
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A high-school classmate shows reporters his yearbook.
.Around 10th grade, Mr. Loughner began acting more strangely and separating from his friends, according to Mr. Montanaro. Mr. Loughner took a break from the gaming world in 2008 but resumed a year later, says Mr. Montanaro. Mr. Loughner joined an online alliance called SancTuarY/Collab. He wrote under the pseudonym Dare. After last June, he stopped playing, says the games administrator.
Mr. Loughner seemed consumed with the outlet the private-posting world provided, says Mr. Montanaro, who was also part of SancT/Collab. Compared with the debates he had engaged in as a young teen, his postings were often nonsensical, say people who knew him in both settings. Mr. Montanaro described them as "weird poems coupled with 'logic' statements."
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Witnesses and bystanders waited inside a police barrier in the parking lot of the Safeway grocery store where Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D., Ariz.) and others were shot Saturday.
..Even in a setting that includes the raw and often raunchy thoughts of young men, Mr. Loughner's postings were startling. They show an obsession with language, a hatred of the educational system and aggression—all of which later became themes of videos posted by Mr. Loughner on YouTube in the months before the shooting. In the forum posts, Mr. Loughner never mentions any political views explicitly, nor does he name any political figures.
On April 24, Mr. Loughner titled a new online thread: "Would you hit a Handy Cap Child/ Adult?" He wrote: "This is a very interesting question….There are mental retarded children. They're possessing teachers that are typing for money. This will never stop….The drug addicts need to be weeded out to be more intelligent. The Principle of this is that them c— educators need to stop being pigs."
Later that day, he posted a rant titled "Why Rape," which said women in college enjoyed being raped. "There are Rape victims that are under the influence of a substance. The drinking is leading them to rape. The loneliness will bring you to depression. Being alone for a very long time will inevitably lead you to rape."
Some participants in the forum suggested that he must be on drugs, while others said he may be mentally impaired. One forum participant who has read his postings says it was only in retrospect, after the shootings, that he realized that Mr. Loughner appeared mentally unstable in his messages.
On April 28, Mr. Loughner wrote: "How many stars are in the universe?" Other posters responded with mathematical calculations. Later in the thread, Mr. Loughner shifted gears: "What do Chocolate cookies taste like?"
On May 2, Mr. Loughner wrote: "This forum made me feel better....," followed by the emoticon for a smiling face.
.The same day, he started a thread called "Weight Lifting," and asked whether anyone else lifted. He described himself as 5 feet 10 inches tall and 155 pounds, and said he could do 65 push-ups, bench press 165 pounds, and do 25 pull-ups and 100 sit-ups, "(thanks to the ab machine)." He said he could run a mile in between 6 minutes, 30 seconds, and 6 minutes, 50 seconds. "I'm flexible" after "years of stretches," he wrote. "Diet is key."
On May 14, at 10:50 p.m., Mr. Loughner begins an online thread he called, "How many applications....is a lot?" It contained what appears to be a list of 21 retail outlets he had applied to or failed to get a job at, including Crate & Barrel, Wendy's and Domino's Pizza.
Some posters expressed surprise. One noted he hasn't applied for that many jobs in his life.
Mr. Loughner had been arrested in Pima County in 2007 and charged with possession of drugs and drug paraphernalia, according to court records. His case was dismissed. In October 2008, he was arrested for scrawling graffiti on a street sign. He paid restitution and attended a diversion program, a court administrator said.
In the online forum, Mr. Loughner wrote that he was having trouble landing a job because of his work history and criminal record. He explained that he had had five "terminations," listing Peter Piper Pizza, "Chineese" fast food, Red Robin, Quiznos and Eddie Bauer. He wrote that the list of firings "will be updated." He wrote: "I'm thinking....2 misdemeanors hurt. Don't do Graffiti."
He hinted at a different problem at the Red Robin. "I had to walk out of red robin," he wrote. "Terrible situation. Mental breakdown." Mr. Montanaro, who also worked at the restaurant, says Mr. Loughner "just hated his job" and one night said "he couldn't take it anymore" and quit.
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..One poster joked that the group can give him a leadership role on the video game. Mr. Loughner responded: "...Ha.....ha....ha.....A nd waste more time of my life...this is like my social life...I know everything is made fun of.."
One gamer advised him that in order to get a job, he needed to provide potential employers such things as references and a list of jobs he had held previously. Mr. Loughner replied in a profanity-laced message that he knew that. "CANT HOLD TERMINATION AGAINST FUTURE EMPLOYEE !" He repeated that line 117 times.
Anger increasingly permeated his postings.
On May 5, he started a thread titled "Talk, Talk, Talking about Rejection." He solicited stories of rejection by the opposite sex. The next day he wrote, "Its funny...when..they say lets go on a date about 3 times..and they dont....go..." Three days later, he wrote, "Its funny when your 60 wondering......what happen at 21."
On May 9 at 2:00 a.m., he asked: "Does anyone have aggression 24/7?" By noon, when others suggested he try smoking marijuana, he said: "No weed. No drugs. It's not like I can't see my brain."
The following night, he titled a thread: "If you went to prison right now.....What would you be thinking?" He added, "Just curious?" After others responded that they would do everything they could to avoid going to prison, including commit suicide, Mr. Loughner said, "Let's say you are in the cell for life...For nothing." A few minutes later he added, "21...going to college...no workplace."
In his online postings, he comments on problems he had at Pima Community College, which have been reported previously. His math instructor, Ben McGahee, said recently that Mr. Loughner's off-topic outbursts during class scared students and disrupted the class. Mr. Loughner was suspended from the school and withdrew last October.
On June 3 at 12:14 a.m. Mr. Loughner described one confrontation with Mr. McGahee, writing to his fellow gamers that he had asked the teacher: "Are you just getting a pay check for brainwashing?" as well as questioning if the class was a "scam" and asking, "can you tell me how to Deny math?" He wrote that the teacher told him it was a stupid question and he should "GET OUT OF MY CLASS!"
The next day, after he had to see a school counselor, he wrote: "Told her about brainwashing a child and how that can change the view of mathematics."
Since the news of Mr. Loughner's alleged role in the shootings broke, members in the public forums of Earth Empires expressed shock that one of their own would take such action, and worried that people would point fingers at the game or the community.
"This is an immeasurable tragedy, and it pains me that someone from our close-knit community could be involved in such a heinous act," the administrator wrote on Sunday. Later that day he wrote, "I reviewed some of the posts he made and they're....disturbing."
One member wrote, "I can't stand that I know him."
—James Oberman contributed to this article.
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im not worming out, just trying to clarify...
he didnt specify for what length of time did he?
only that manned missions are fake b/c we cant survive in orbit correct?
well according to him no length of time. He doesn't believe the shuttle is able to maintain a livable space. He later goes on to suggest that even if it could we wouldn't risk putting people in space because of and I quote, "space debris" So he believes all shuttles are launched unmanned.
Nevermind on the bet, we could be playing "just trying to clarify" for weeks ::)
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well according to him no length of time. He doesn't believe the shuttle is able to maintain a livable space. He later goes on to suggest that even if it could we wouldn't risk putting people in space because of and I quote, "space debris" So he believes all shuttles are launched unmanned.
Nevermind on the bet, we could be playing "just trying to clarify" for weeks ::)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt
The inner Van Allen Belt extends from an altitude of 100–10,000 km [7] (0.01 to 1.5 Earth radii) above the Earth's surface,
minimum sub-orbital spaceflight altitude abovethe Earth's surface 100 km
Low Earth orbit altitude above the Earth's surface 200 to 2,000 km
that means at even low earth orbit youre in the van allen ray belt....
so those that believe in the van allen ray belt also believe that you cannot survive in orbit
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt
The inner Van Allen Belt extends from an altitude of 100–10,000 km [7] (0.01 to 1.5 Earth radii) above the Earth's surface,
minimum sub-orbital spaceflight altitude abovethe Earth's surface 100 km
Low Earth orbit altitude above the Earth's surface 200 to 2,000 km
that means at even low earth orbit youre in the van allen ray belt....
so those that believe in the van allen ray belt also believe that you cannot survive in orbit
::) Just because you say so right? god, you might as well be using Jared's logic to make your case.
The only thing I've heard CTrs say about the Van Allen Belt is that they don't think humans can survive going through the belts, that includes the outer and inner twice. I've never seen any of them ever say that a shuttle in orbit would fry everyone on board and therefor all shuttles are launched unmanned and astronauts don't even go into orbit. Never seen it and I'm not going to sit here and watch you try to custom fit something to win the bet. It's over. Forget about the bet dude.
Hell, I knew fully about the theory Moon hoax believers thought of the van allen belts. I've researched everything on the moon landing hoax CT. If I knew about that before and thought that it applied to this bet, why the hell did I take the bet? LOL, that would be about as dumb as me betting somone I can get a tighter grouping on a target and instead walking up to the firing line and shooting myself in the face haha...
Proof I was already aware of what moon hoax believers thought:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=301074.msg4324048#msg4324048
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Sarah Palins Facebook post in March last year - three days after the map was published - clarifying its message for anyone left in doubt.
"The crossfire is intense, so penetrate through enemy territory by bombing through the press, and use your strong weapons - your Big Guns - to drive to the hole," Ms Palin wrote.
"Shoot with accuracy; aim high and remember it takes blood, sweat and tears to win."
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Palin is done. Period.
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The Democrats weren't done after coming up with this thrash in 2004:
We took screenshots in case Markos tries to hurriedly scrub his site if incriminating posts like he did yesterday (we have this saved page, too):
Also check out Kos’s “target” list (on which Giffords was listed). If we’re going to play the asinine game of metaphorical maps, we can go tit-for-tat all day.
Also check out the Democrat Leadership Committee target list, again, on which Giffords was listed.
(http://bigjournalism.com/files/2011/01/Picture-25.png)
So much for Palin being the only one with "targets" on her maps.
This online article was back in March of 2010. Showing how stupid Democrats were for criticizing Palin when they themselves did the following back in 2004:
http://www.verumserum.com/?p=13647
Democratic Leadership Committe TARGET list:
(http://www.verumserum.com/media/2010/03/DCCC-target-map.jpg)
Each one of those red targets represents a “Targeted Republican” like this one:
(http://www.verumserum.com/media/2010/03/DCCC-targeted-republican.jpg)
There’s even a helpful legend that makes it clear that’s precisely what the little red targets represent:
(http://www.verumserum.com/media/2010/03/DCCC-map-legend.jpg)
TARGETING strategy? BEHIND ENEMY LINES?? What the hell?
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::) Just because you say so right? god, you might as well be using Jared's logic to make your case.
The only thing I've heard CTrs say about the Van Allen Belt is that they don't think humans can survive going through the belts, that includes the outer and inner twice. I've never seen any of them ever say that a shuttle in orbit would fry everyone on board and therefor all shuttles are launched unmanned and astronauts don't even go into orbit. Never seen it and I'm not going to sit here and watch you try to custom fit something to win the bet. It's over. Forget about the bet dude.
Hell, I knew fully about the theory Moon hoax believers thought of the van allen belts. I've researched everything on the moon landing hoax CT. If I knew about that before and thought that it applied to this bet, why the hell did I take the bet? LOL, that would be about as dumb as me betting somone I can get a tighter grouping on a target and instead walking up to the firing line and shooting myself in the face haha...
Proof I was already aware of what moon hoax believers thought:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=301074.msg4324048#msg4324048
from what i understand about the van allen belts its the radiation that stops ppl from going through without dying...so orbiting within the van allen ray belt you think would be possible for someone who thinks that?
i tell you what we will ask toxic avenger as he is a ct nut and i have heard him talk about the van allen ray belts numerous times...if he thinks you can survive in orbit while in the van allen ray belt ill concede...
if not you concede
deal?
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The Democrats weren't done after coming up with this thrash in 2004:
TARGETING strategy? BEHIND ENEMY LINES?? What the hell?
Sorry, but according to 240, crosshairs are much worse than bullseyes. ::)
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from what i understand about the van allen belts its the radiation that stops ppl from going through without dying...so orbiting within the van allen ray belt you think would be possible for someone who thinks that?
i tell you what we will ask toxic avenger as he is a ct nut and i have heard him talk about the van allen ray belts numerous times...if he thinks you can survive in orbit while in the van allen ray belt ill concede...
if not you concede
deal?
fine, you lose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here's Toxic posting a video about Buzz Aldrin seeing a UFO
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=113822.0
Toxic talking about the issue being with astronauts one they're past the belts:
"Now the equiptment NASA used ..for example the space suits..upon contacting the manufacturer aren't even adequate enough to protect against radiation in cheronybl ...nor ws the space capsule thick enough to protect against radiation right outside the protective magnetic field (van allen belt ..google it)..i mean..the astronauts shoulda gotton sick at least.."
"we went to the moon long long before we officially went ...the DOD has a shuttle..."--toxicavenger
Lastly, Toxic has posted several "UFO Videos" taken by Nasa astronauts in space. Why would he post those vids if he didn't believe they were there to film them lol....
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I think we did land on the moon...ws it buzz and niel?...dont think so...it makes more sense that it ws a military operation...BEFORE
theory :put a missile on the moon and fire it and it cant be tracked by the atmpsohere till its only 5ish miles away...too late to respond!..thats just a theory...
however NASAs first trip "around the moon" when the astronauts returned after circling the dark side of the moon..the first thing they said ws " be advised Houston, THERE IS A SANTA CLAUS" google those words...something is up...check this short video below taken from the longer video " Secret space" available on video.google..secret space goes into how the landings might have been faked
the object seen at the start is glowing IN SPACE man...meteors glow because they encounter friction when entering the atmosphere...PLUS IT CHANGES DIRECTION..EXPLAIN..and if you say another smaller meteor happened to hit it just then...it should give off a burst of light...some of the energy should be changed to light energy! here is the vid
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if this interests you also video.google " the greatest story ever denied"
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Tony, don't worry about the bet, just forget about it. Overall, I think my statements that Jared's CT and wacky ideas are unique to Jared is for the most part true. And I'm right, Jared didn't give much of anything for one to debate. He just created a bizare line of thinking via his false logic that didn't leave room for debate other than just saying he's nuts. Opposed to the moon landing hoax CTrs who will provide a list of things to talk about like the shadows cast on the moon, no dust crater, what looks like cords in the pictures, the radiation, the film not being able to survive the radiation, the time lapse between houston and the moon communication etc etc. All things that one can refute. Jared just pulled shit out of his ass based on wrong logic. Again, even the people over at Above Top Secret forums didn't know what to make of the guy. His ideas were to out there even for them.
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Tony, don't worry about the bet, just forget about it. Overall, I think my statements that Jared's CT and wacky ideas are unique to Jared is for the most part true. And I'm right, Jared didn't give much of anything for one to debate. He just created a bizare line of thinking via his false logic that didn't leave room for debate other than just saying he's nuts. Opposed to the moon landing hoax CTrs who will provide a list of things to talk about like the shadows cast on the moon, no dust crater, what looks like cords in the pictures, the radiation, the film not being able to survive the radiation, the time lapse between houston and the moon communication etc etc. All things that one can refute. Jared just pulled shit out of his ass based on wrong logic. Again, even the people over at Above Top Secret forums didn't know what to make of the guy. His ideas were to out there even for them.
no no ill keep my word but i get till the end of tonight to find corraberaters ;)
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no no ill keep my word but i get till the end of tonight to find corraberaters ;)
well if you really want to keep your word, you already lost. You changed the bet above to hinge on what Toxic thinks and I posted quotes from him above showing that he obviously thinks astronauts can survive in orbit.
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well if you really want to keep your word, you already lost. You changed the bet above to hinge on what Toxic thinks and I posted quotes from him above showing that he obviously thinks astronauts can survive in orbit.
hahahah ok fine :-[
ive heard toxic talk about the van allen belt too though maybe he is presenting both sides of arguments
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what does my sig say?
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hahahah ok fine :-[
ive heard toxic talk about the van allen belt too though maybe he is presenting both sides of arguments
don't worry about the bet, we both botched it by not being exactly specific on the bet. Next time we'll be very precise in what the bet is about.
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Giffords' progress a source of jubilation
By the CNN Wire Staff
January 13, 2011
Shot in the head less than a week ago, U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords opened her eyes briefly for the first time Wednesday, with her husband, her parents and other members of Congress in the room.
"It was extraordinary," said Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-New York, who was holding Giffords' hand at the time. "It was a miracle to witness."
The incident occurred shortly after President Barack Obama had visited Giffords in her hospital room. Less than an hour later, given permission to disclose the information by Mark Kelly, Giffords' husband, Obama electrified a memorial-service crowd and a national television audience by revealing one of the most promising pieces of news about Gifford's condition to emerge since an assassination attempt against her on Saturday.
Giffords was squeezing and stroking Gillibrand's hand, as doctors previously said she had been able to do.
Giffords "absolutely could hear everything we were saying," Gillibrand said. "And Debbie (Wasserman Schultz, D-Florida) and I were telling her how much she was inspiring the nation with her courage, her strength, and we were talking about the things we wanted to do as soon as she was better."
Gillibrand mentioned having another night out with Giffords and her husband for beer and pizza. And Wasserman Schultz recounted telling her, "Come on, you've got to get better, because we expect you up in New Hampshire this summer" at Wasserman Schultz's vacation home.
"And just as I said that, that's when she suddenly was struggling to open ... her eyes," Wasserman Schultz said. "First just a little bit. And the doctors couldn't believe it. They said, 'This is such a good time.' "
Kelly saw her struggling, Gillibrand said, and he and the others began to encourage her, saying, "Open your eyes, Gabby. Open your eyes."
And Giffords did -- actually opening only one eye, as the other remains bandaged, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters.
"She took a moment to focus, you could see she was focusing," Gillibrand said. "And then Mark said ... 'Gabby, if you can see me, if you can see me, give us a thumbs-up ... She didn't only give a thumbs-up, she literally raised her entire hand. We were just -- we couldn't stop crying ... It was just one of those moments that life brings you so rarely."
But Giffords didn't stop there, Gillibrand said. She reached out and grabbed her husband "and is touching him and starts to really choke him like she was really trying to hug him." He asked her to touch his wedding ring, "and she touches his ring, then she grabs his whole watch and wrist and then the doctor was just so excited, he said, 'You don't understand ... this is amazing what she is doing right now and beyond our greatest hopes.' "
Of the six patients the hospital is still treating from Saturday's shooting, Giffords is the only one in critical condition. Two others are in serious condition and the other three are in fair condition, the hospital has said.
A 9-year-old girl, Christina Green, and Arizona's chief federal judge, John Roll, are among the dead, along with Gabe Zimmerman, a Giffords staffer. Green will be laid to rest on Thursday.
Authorities say Giffords was the target of the shooting. Thirteen other people suffered gunshot wounds, the Pima County Sheriff has said, while others were injured trying to flee the scene.
Tucson resident Jared Lee Loughner, 22, is facing federal charges in the attack.
The milestone is only the latest for the Arizona congresswoman, who doctors said could respond to commands even upon arrival at a hospital trauma unit -- she squeezed a doctor's hand when asked to do so -- less than an hour after the shooting. Even when her prognosis was grim, she has consistently defied the odds and met or exceeded expectations.
Safeway, which owns the grocery store where the shooting took place, took out a full-page ad in Tucson's Arizona Daily Star newspaper Thursday, saying it is proud to be part of a community that cares so deeply about one another. Since Saturday, Safeway employees have been praying for the victims and their families, and the company is working to reopen the store, it said. Supermarkets pride themselves on reopening quickly following disasters, it noted, but Saturday's events were not a tornado or hurricane.
Doctors have cautiously described her recovery as going according to plan, so far absent of any complications or issues, and have said throughout that she has been able to communicate when they lessen her sedation and allow her to awaken.
"Other than the birth of my kids, this was the most incredible feeling, to see literally one of your closest friends struggle to come to you, her family, her friends," said Wasserman Schultz, who spoke to CNN's "AC360" along with Gillibrand. "We know how strong Gabby is ... You could see all the strength pouring out of her to touch her husband."
"She wanted to tell us, 'I'm with you,' " Gillibrand said.
Dr. Michael Lemole Jr., chief of neurosurgery at University Medical Center, told the women he previously had discounted what emotion, friendship and family can do as far as inspiring a person to recover. "I just witnessed the impact of friendship," Lemole said, according to Gillibrand.
"It was, as you can imagine, a glorious moment," said House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, who was also in the room.
The road ahead for Giffords may be long. Her recovery may last a lifetime, like that of Jim Brady, a former White House press secretary under President Ronald Reagan who was shot in the head in 1981. Several parallels have been drawn between the two. Now 70 and blind, Brady told CNN's Jim Acosta this week he routinely goes to physical therapy near his Delaware home.
"Life will always be good again," Brady said. "It may be different. But that doesn't mean it's bad."
Still, Giffords has been described by many as tenacious and fearless.
"Our boss is a fighter, and she's fighting," C.J. Karamargin, Giffords' spokesman, told "AC360." "And we saw that today."
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/13/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1
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the return of screaming drunk guy in front of concrete wall ::) ::) ::)
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the return of screaming drunk guy in front of concrete wall ::) ::) ::)
says the guy who thinks cites words have consequences when they had nothing to do with the incident he is citing... ::) moron
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There is zero way I'm going to listen to that guy scream his ass off about this. This whole thing already has me worked up and pissed off beyond belief. Cliff notes 3333?
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There is zero way I'm going to listen to that guy scream his ass off about this. This whole thing already has me worked up and pissed off beyond belief. Cliff notes 3333?
Palin had nothing to do with this and people politicizing this are really pathetic.
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Palin had nothing to do with this and people politicizing this are really pathetic.
I agree with that. This Jared was nuts beyond repair and palin had nothing to do with that. Now they're trying to say that the blame still counts because the next guy to go nuts might be inspired by palin or the tea party... bla bla bla...
I just can't listen to that guy especially if I'm already pissed lol... He'll just get me worked up worse than I am already.
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Police Describe Photos of Loughner (NAKED AND WEARING A BRIGHT RED G-STRING) Posing With Gun
New York Times ^ | 01/14/2011 | By MARC LACEY, JO BECKER and TIMOTHY WILLIAMS
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TUCSON — Law enforcement officials said Friday they have multiple photos of Jared L. Loughner posing with a Glock 9mm gun next to his naked buttocks and dressed in a bright red g-string.
The photos were turned over to the police by Walgreens, where Mr. Loughner had taken them to be developed. In some of the photos he is holding the gun by his crotch and in others, presumably shot in a mirror, he is holding the gun next to his buttocks, the police said. It was not yet clear when the photos were taken or whether Mr. Loughner had ordered any prints
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Palns' fault.
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Police: Loughner up all night at Walmarts, Circle Ks before shootingFrom Ross Levitt and Susan Candiotti, CNNJanuary 14, 2011 -- Updated 2128 GMT (0528 HKT)
Tucson, Arizona (CNN) -- Jared Lee Loughner was up all night prior to gunning down 19 people -- six fatally -- outside an Arizona supermarket, taking several trips to the supermarket's shopping plaza in between checking in at an area hotel and visiting two Walmarts to buy ammunition, according to a timeline released Friday by the Pima County Sheriff's Office.
Loughner, 22, got a room at a nearby Motel 6, but did not spend much time there late the night of January 7 and early January 8, the sheriff's office timeline indicates.
At 11:35 p.m., he dropped off a roll of 35 mm film at a Walgreen's next door to the Safeway supermarket where the shooting occurred.
After buying something about an hour later at a nearby Circle K convenience store and checking into the Motel 6 one mile to the west on Ina Road, he returned at 2:19 a.m. to pick up the photos and make other purchases.
Then, at 4:12 a.m., Loughner posted a photo of the Walgreens on his MySpace page, with a caption "Goodbye friends."
The shooting suspect headed out from his hotel room again, buying items at Walmart at the Foothills Mall, about three miles away -- once at 6:12 a.m. and again at 7:04 a.m., sandwiched around another trip to another Circle K store -- according to the timeline.
He unsuccessfully tried to buy ammunition at that Walmart. He then headed to a different Walmart store -- this one nearly 6 miles away, in the Tucson suburb of Marana -- where, at 7:27 a.m., he bought the ammunition and a black backpack-style diaper bag.
Three minutes later, an officer with the Arizona Game and Fish Department pulled Loughner over for running a red light. He was given a verbal warning and released. He then headed home.
He remained there until being confronted by his father sometime before 9:40 a.m., the timeline says. He ran away with the black bag in hand.
A taxi driver picked him up around 9:41 a.m. from one of the Circle K stores he had visited and drove him to the Safeway, in the same plaza as the Walgreens. Both Loughner and the cab driver went inside the store, at 9:54 a.m., apparently so he could get change to pay his fare.
What was Loughner's state of mind?
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Then, at 10:10 a.m., Loughner began shooting. The first 911 call went out a minute later, and by 10:15 a.m. Loughner had been detained -- but not before 19 people had been shot, including his alleged main target, Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. She is now in critical condition after being shot in the head, but her doctors have been pleased with her progress.
Earlier Friday, Pima County Sheriff's Department Capt. Chris Nanos said that it could take 10 days to get DNA test results on the black bag, which contained seven boxes of 9 mm ammunition -- the same type Loughner allegedly used in the Tucson massacre.
The bag, which is is now in the FBI's possession, also had a receipt for its purchase, according to Nanos.
A teenager walking his dog spotted the bag on Thursday in a dry riverbed near Loughner's family home, officials said. The teen gave it to a Qwest Communications worker, who called police.
"We certainly believe this is the bag" Loughner was carrying, Nanos said.
"We got ammunition in there and it matches the type used in the incident," added Richard Kastigar, the department's bureau chief, on CNN's "John King USA."
Police say Loughner's father, Randy, told them his son was carrying a black bag on Saturday morning, just hours before the attack.
"The father asked him questions similar to 'What are you doing? What is that?' and Jared mumbled something back to his dad, and his dad said he didn't understand what was said," Kastigar said. "It was unintelligible, and then Jared left."
The elder Loughner got in his vehicle and tried to follow his son, but could not find him, he said.
Motel 6 declined to provide additional details regarding Jared Loughner's stay at the motel, saying it "is fully cooperating with authorities on their ongoing investigation into the suspect's activities prior to the tragic shooting," according to a statement from company spokeswoman Laura Rojo-Eddy.
Police say they believe Loughner drove to the riverbed after being pulled over for running the red light and tossed the ammunition-filled bag.
After Loughner's his arrest Saturday, police discovered in his pockets two 15-round gun magazines, a four-inch buck knife, a plastic bag containing currency, Loughner's Arizona driver's license and a Visa credit card, said Jason Ogan, spokesman for the Pima County Sheriff's Department.
Loughner appeared in a Phoenix federal courtroom Monday to formally hear the charges against him -- including two counts of murder, two counts of attempted murder and one count of attempting to kill a member of Congress. He is now in federal custody.
Pima County on Thursday released records saying that Loughner visited the Rio Nuevo One-Stop Career Center in September, but was asked to leave because he was using a video camera and refused to turn it off despite being asked repeatedly. "He pulled a crumpled copy of the Constitution out of his pocket and waved it at me, saying it was his right," a staffer's report on the incident said.
Loughner's former community college also released records showing that he frightened fellow students and acted oddly in incidents throughout 2010. Pima Community College ultimately suspended him.
His history at the college included an incident in February in which he reacted strangely to a poem read in one of his classes and made comments about abortion, wars and killing people. Two months later, a library staffer reported he was making loud noises at a computer. Also, a teacher reported Loughner became "very hostile" after being told his grade in a pilates class would be a B.
The incidents and disruptions continued into autumn, the records said, and college officials became concerned about Loughner's mental health. After an incident in September, a police officer delivered a suspension letter to him and recounted the events that had taken place. When the officer was finished, according to the report, Loughner responded, "I realize now that this is all a scam."
On Wednesday, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals designated a district judge in California to hear Loughner's federal case. Judge Larry Burns is a 2003 Bush appointee serving in the U.S. District Court for Southern California, based in San Diego. The next scheduled federal hearing in the case is January 24 in Phoenix.
All federal judges in Arizona have recused themselves from hearing the case. The chief federal judge in Arizona -- Judge John Roll of Tucson -- was among those killed in the Saturday shooting.
Kastigar added that investigators are now certain that Loughner acted alone. A "person of interest" they sought immediately after the shooting turned out to be the taxi driver who dropped off the suspect at the shopping center, Kastigar said.
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Sharron Angle Defends Herself Against Ties to Arizona Shooting
Washington Post ^ | 1/13/11 | Steve Tetreault - Stephens Washington Bureau
Sharron Angle on Wednesday rejected criticism that she shares responsibility for creating a charged political atmosphere that might have contributed to the mass shooting in Arizona.
"The despicable act in Tucson is a horrifying and senseless tragedy and should be condemned as a single act of violence by a single unstable individual," Angle said in a statement that laid blame solely on the man authorities said attempted to assassinate Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., on Saturday.
Six people were killed; Giffords was among the wounded.
Angle said efforts to blame her or other Tea Party figures in the attack were "irresponsible." She said suspect Jared Loughner "was obsessed with his twisted plans long before the Tea Party movement began."
(Excerpt) Read more at foxreno.com ...
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Loughner video with 'genocide' and 'torture' ramblings is released
LA Times ^ | 1/14/2011 | Maeve Reston and Rong-Gong Lin II
YouTube video that prompted the suspension of Tucson shooting suspect Jared Lee Loughner in September was released Friday by officials at Pima Community College and included rambling statements such as "We are examining the torture of students" and "This is genocide in America."
The video, no longer on the website, was released to The Times following a public records request and offers the extended example of Loughner's voice.
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
VIDEO HERE
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-jared-loughner-video-20110115,0,7041106.story
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Jared Loughner 'frightened' Motel 6 clerk on eve of Tucson shooting
By Philip Rucker and David Nakamura
Saturday, January 15, 2011; 2:47 PM
TUCSON - Room 411, a king-bed single in a dark and grimy Motel 6 near the railroad tracks on the western edge of Tucson, served as the staging ground for Jared Loughner's series of pre-dawn errands before last Saturday's shooting spree outside a suburban supermarket here.
Loughner checked into the motel at 12:29 a.m. on Jan. 8, police said, before criss-crossing the city buying ammunition, developing pictures and stopping at gas station convenience stores. Loughner, wearing a baseball hat, approached the hotel's check-in window, made of bullet-proof glass, and used a credit card to rent the room, paying $43.71, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation.
The 22-year-old struck the hotel's overnight front-desk clerk as strange. The clerk told authorities he did not appear to be under the influence of drugs but "was just messed up," according to the source, who spoke only under the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the investigation.
A few hours after checking in, Loughner was seen pacing along the motel's first-floor hallway - long and straight, with blue swirl carpeting and a white popcorn ceiling. The desk attendant asked him what he was doing, but he did not reply. The clerk told investigators about being "scared" and that "he gave off an aura that frightened me," the source said.
Loughner was alone and was not carrying any bags when he checked into the motel, the source said, and it was not immediately known whether he left anything behind in the room.
The FBI obtained video surveillance from the motel showing Loughner checking into the property and interviewed motel employees and other potential witnesses as they piece together his final movements before allegedly opening fire at a civic gathering at a strip mall some five miles away. Authorities say Loughner killed six people and injured 13 others, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.).
After checking into the Motel 6, Loughner went to a nearby Walgreens to retrieve the film he had developed. The photos showed Loughner wearing a red G-string and holding a gun near his buttocks, according to law enforcement sources.
A few minutes later, at 2:34 a.m., Loughner made a purchase at a Chevron store, and later posted a bulletin on his Myspace page titled "Goodbye friends," according to a detailed timeline of events released Friday by the Pima County Sheriff's Department.
Before dawn on Saturday, Loughner approached the Motel 6 front desk attendant to check out. The clerk told him he had the room until check-out time at noon, but he left anyway, the source said. The clerk old investigators: "Nothing was right with him."
This clerk's reaction to Loughner is significant, the source said, because the hotel regularly attracts some abnormal guests. Several days prior to Loughner's visit, a guest used the bed to barricade himself in his room - Room 415, a few doors down from Loughner's room - and committed suicide by shooting himself in his head, according to the source.
Soon after Loughner checked out of the Motel 6, he tried to buy ammunition at a Wal-Mart store nearby. After those efforts failed, he drove two miles to a Super Wal-Mart store and bought the ammunition.
ruckerp@washpost.com nakamurad@washpost.com
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Palins' fault.
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Reports: Giffords can converse, mouth simple songs
Posted: Feb 13, 2011 7:07 PM
Updated: Feb 14, 2011 12:48 PM
PHOENIX (AP) - Rep. Gabrielle Giffords can walk while holding onto a cart, mouth the lyrics to easy songs and have simple conversations, according to family, staff and her doctors.
Mark Kelly said in an interview broadcast Monday on NBC that he can ask his wife questions and she can respond.
"The communication is coming back very quickly," he said.
Kelly said she is trying so hard that her speech therapist, who only a few days ago was trying to get her to talk more, is now asking Giffords to slow down and make sure she hears the question before giving an answer.
As an example, Kelly spoke of a time when the therapist had three cards on a table, one with a picture of George W. Bush, one with a picture of President Barack Obama and another with an image of George Washington.
"Before she was asked a question, she'd picked up the card and held it up and said 'George Bush,'" Kelly told NBC's Brian Williams. "She's a hard worker and she's trying. She's speaking a lot and at some level they are asking her to slow down a little bit."
The New York Times, citing doctors and her staff, reported on its website late Sunday that Giffords' efforts to relearn how to speak have included mouthing song lyrics, such as "Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star" and "Happy Birthday to You," as friends and family sang along.
Giffords also briefly spoke with her brother-in-law Scott Kelly by telephone Sunday afternoon as he orbited aboard the International Space Station.
"She said, hi, I'm good," her chief of staff, Pia Carusone, told the paper. He is the brother of Giffords' husband, who is also an astronaut.
She has also been receiving bedside briefings from aides on the recent uprising in Egypt and on last week's decision by Republican Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona not to seek re-election,
"We tell her everything that's going on," Carusone said. "Don't get the idea she's speaking in paragraphs, but she definitely understands what we're saying and she's verbalizing."
Giffords was shot in the head Jan. 8 while meeting with constituents outside a Tucson grocery store. Six people, including a 9-year-old girl and a federal judge, were killed in the attack, and 13 others, including Giffords, were wounded.
The congresswoman began intensive rehabilitation at TIRR Memorial Hermann in Houston late last month. The Times reported that an e-mail sent to friends about a week ago by Giffords' mother said that Giffords has been doing squats and repetitive motions to build her muscles and walking through the hospital's halls while holding onto a cart.
The 40-year-old Giffords has beaten one of her nurses at tic-tac-toe and has changed from "kind of a limp noodle" to someone who is "alert, sits up straight with good posture," the e-mail from Gloria Giffords said.
Doctors said in late January that they planned to insert a speaking valve into her tracheostomy - a tube inserted into Giffords' throat to assist her breathing immediately after the shooting. Her doctors have not said whether that procedure took place or whether the tube was removed since she no longer needs it.
Rehabilitation specialists say brain injury patients who regain speech typically begin to do so about four to six weeks after the incident. Several news organizations reported last week that Giffords asked for toast with her breakfast one recent morning.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=14022846
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Dems are already talking about throwimg her on the 2012 ballot.
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Giffords doing 'remarkably well,' astronaut husband says
By the CNN Wire Staff
March 24, 2011
(CNN) -- The commander of the upcoming space shuttle mission began a prelaunch news conference Thursday by addressing the condition of his wife, U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.
Astronaut Mark Kelly said Giffords, who was shot in the head January 8, is doing "remarkably well."
"She's improving every day, and in the realm of brain injuries," he said, "that is very significant and pretty rare."
Kelly, who will command the Shuttle Endeavour on an April mission to the international space station, said he hopes Giffords will be able to attend Endeavour's liftoff and he thinks there is a "pretty good chance" that will happen.
Kelly said he sees Giffords every morning and evening and that she receives occasional briefings from her staff. Most of her time is spent in therapy.
"She's starting to walk, talk more -- more every day -- and she's starting to process some of the tragedy that we all went through in January," Kelly said. "She's going through that as we speak."
At the end of the news conference, Kelly was asked whether training for this mission was more challenging given the obvious distractions of his wife's recovery.
"I think it would have been really challenging if this was my first shuttle flight or if it was even my first flight as a commander of the space shuttle," said Kelly, who has flown three times before -- twice as pilot and once as a commander.
Kelly said it's been very manageable handling what's going on in his personal life while focusing on the mission.
"I've given this mission everything I would have if the events of January 8th did not happen," he said. "So I'm very focused (and) we're very prepared as a crew."
The 14-day mission, set to take off April 19 at Kennedy Space Center in Florida, will be the 36th shuttle mission to the international space station.
Kelly will be commanding a crew of four other Americans and one astronaut from the European Space Agency.
NASA has said the shuttle will be delivering equipment and spare parts for the station including two communications antennas; a high-pressure gas tank; parts for Dextre, a robot attached to the outside of the space station; and micrometeoroid debris shields.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/03/24/space.shuttle.giffords/index.html
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Giffords Able to Stand on Own, Working to Improve Movement in Rehab
Published April 24, 2011
FoxNews.com
Rep. Gabrielle Giffords can stand and is using a bowling ball and grocery cart to assist her rehabilitation. She struggles to form long sentences. But, she told her nurse, she wants to return home and "walk a mountain."
These were among the glimpses into Giffords' recovery detailed in a lengthy article Sunday in The Arizona Republic. Based on interviews with friends, family and doctors, the Republic described the slow-but-steady progress Giffords has made since she was shot, along with 18 others, in early January in Tucson.
The Republic reported that Giffords is able to stand without assistance and can walk a bit. However, the bullet wound on the left side of her brain has limited movement in her right arm and leg. She is working on those muscles in therapy at Houston's TIRR Memorial Hermann, pushing a grocery cart and performing other simple tasks. The injuries have forced her to become left-handed, at least for now.
Though the article described a gradual recovery, the doctor in charge said she ranked in the top 5 percent of patients dealing with these kinds of injuries. According to the Republic, Giffords can speak in sentences once she first forms them in her mind, but most often uses brief phrases to communicate.
Her chief of staff told the newspaper that, save for a thin scar on her forehead and shorter hair, she looks almost the same as she did before the shooting.
Giffords also has not yet learned the full scope of the shooting Jan. 8. She grieved for weeks after learning six were killed in the massacre, according to the article. But Giffords' husband, Mark Kelly, has not told his wife that a federal judge, one of her aides and a 9-year-old girl were among the dead.
Click here to read the full story in The Arizona Republic.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/24/giffords-able-stand-working-improve-movement-rehab/#ixzz1KToLu9OY
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im telling you guys... she'd be the perfect 'october surprise' for obama... 5 days before the election, early thursday, she appears with him at a Penn or FL event... whew... talk about feelgood news that'll spill over thru election tuesday.
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Yeah ok 240. Let's not forget you were the first to blame palin along w your bf blacken and benny.
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Yeah ok 240. Let's not forget you were the first to blame palin along w your bf blacken and benny.
i didn't say it would be anything except a political stunt on obama's part. but he did the same thing with a sick teddy kennedy, didn't he? rolled him out for campaign/political gain?
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Gabrielle Giffords Cleared To Attend Shuttle Launch, Husband Mark Kelly Says
04/24/11 07:22 PM ET
HOUSTON — Rep. Gabrielle Giffords will attend husband Mark Kelly's space shuttle launch in Florida on Friday, Kelly said, allowing the Arizona congresswoman to travel for the first time since she was flown from Tucson to Houston more than three months ago to recover from a gunshot wound to the head.
In an interview with CBS' Katie Couric, Kelly said Giffords' doctors had given her permission to travel to Cape Canaveral, Fla., for the launch of Endeavor, which is scheduled for 3:47 p.m. Friday. Kelly is the commander of the shuttle mission.
CBS released excerpts of the interview Sunday, and it was scheduled to air Monday on "CBS Evening News with Katie Couric," according to a network statement.
"I've met with her doctors, her neurosurgeon and her doctors, and ... they've given us permission to take her down to the launch," Kelly said in the interview in Houston. The network statement did not specify when the interview occurred.
James Harsfield, spokesman for NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston, referred all questions about Giffords to the congresswoman's office, where there was no immediate comment.
President Barack Obama and the first family also are scheduled to watch the launch, although it's unclear if they will watch it with Giffords.
Families view launches at Kennedy Space Center from a restricted area, and there are no plans for Giffords to make a public appearance.
It will be the first time Giffords has traveled since she was flown from Tucson, Ariz., to Houston on Jan. 21 for rehab. The Democrat was shot in the head Jan. 8 in a shooting in Tucson that killed six people and injured 12 others.
Giffords' spokesman, C.J. Karamargin, and her chief of staff, Pia Carusone, plan to hold a news conference after the launch to discuss the congresswoman's reaction, but Giffords will not go to the news conference because it could be an emotional moment for her, Karamargin said.
Giffords went to Kelly's last launch in 2008, when he commanded the space shuttle Discovery. The two married in 2007.
Obama last saw Giffords on Jan. 12, just four days after the shooting, when he visited her intensive care hospital room in Tucson and reported that she opened her eyes for the first time a few minutes after he left.
More recently, he wrote a tribute about the congresswoman in Time magazine's list of 100 most influential people in the world, saying that she wasn't known before the shooting, but now "she's got the prayers of a nation rooting for her."
He also wrote that Giffords is "a needed voice that cannot return soon enough."
The shooting happened as Giffords was holding a community outreach event in the parking lot of a Tucson shopping center. A gunman shot her in the head and worked his way down the line of her staff members and people waiting to talk with her. Jared Lee Loughner, 22, has pleaded not guilty to charges stemming from the attack and is in custody.
Giffords has not been seen publicly since the shooting and has spent the last three months relearning how to speak, walk and take care of herself. She has been singing – as part of musical therapy – asking for her favorite foods and visiting with family, friends, and her rabbi.
Kelly returned to training for the shuttle launch in February after taking time off to be at his wife's hospital bedside.
Endeavor's two-week trip will be the last for that shuttle and the next-to-last shuttle mission. Shuttle Atlantis will close out the 30-year shuttle program this summer. Kelly and five crewmates will deliver a $2 billion physics experiment to the International Space Station, as well as critical spare parts to keep the orbiting outpost running for another decade.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/24/gabrielle-giffords-shuttle-launch_n_853065.html
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The crazies at HP are claiming racism that the intern lost the studet election. Ha ha ha ha - cant wait for HP to go down in flames.
What a freaking joke 99.99999% of far leftist commies are.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/23/daniel-hernandez-loses-student-election_n_852945.html
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Which far left commies do you think are not jokes?
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Which far left commies do you think are not jokes?
Obama is not a joke at all. He should be taken quite seriously.
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Giffords celebrates Endeavour's final voyage
By: CNN Wire Staff
Kennedy Space Center, Florida (CNN) - The Arizona congresswoman who was shot in the head just four months ago sat comfortably Monday morning, watching and cheering as the space shuttle Endeavour, with her husband aboard, took off on its final voyage.
Mark Kelly commands the shuttle's 16-day mission to the International Space Station. His wife, U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, watched as Endeavour launched from the Kennedy Space Center just a few months after an assassination attempt at a public event in Tucson, Arizona.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/16/giffords-celebrates-endeavours-final-voyage/
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Judge rules Loughner is not competent to stand trial
By Ted Rowlands and Michael Martinez, CNN
May 25, 2011
Tucson, Arizona (CNN) -- Jared Lee Loughner, accused in January's mass shooting in which he allegedly tried to assassinate a congresswoman, isn't competent to stand trial, a federal judge ruled Wednesday.
The judge said he based his decision on a mental evaluation of Loughner.
During his hearing, Loughner was removed by marshals from the courtroom after an outburst, in which one reporter heard him say, "Thank you for the freak show. She died right in front of me," and "You're changing."
After the recess, U.S. District Judge Larry Burns asked Loughner if he wanted to watch the remainder of the proceedings on a television monitor, Loughner said yes, and he was removed from courtroom.
The hearing was held on whether Loughner is mentally competent to stand trial on charges of trying to assassinate a congresswoman.
Loughner, 22, of Tucson, Arizona, faces multiple charges -- including murder and attempted murder -- related to the January 8 mass shooting in a grocery store parking lot in Tucson.
He entered the courtroom Wednesday no longer bald and clean-shaven, as he was depicted in his mug shot shortly after the shootings. Loughner now has a full head of hair, along with facial hair.
Burns is expected to consider the results of a mental evaluation that Loughner underwent in Springfield, Missouri.
Loughner is charged with killing six people and wounding 13 more, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Arizona, who was holding a meet-and-greet with constituents at the time. Authorities say Giffords was the target of the attack.
Loughner was indicted in March on 49 counts, including murder and attempted murder. He has been ordered to undergo a mental evaluation to help a judge determine if he is competent to stand trial in the case.
Loughner is accused of killing John M. Roll, a federal district judge; Gabriel M. Zimmerman, a staff member for Giffords; Dorothy J. Morris; Phyllis C. Schneck; Dorwan C. Stoddard; and 9-year-old Christina Taylor Green.
Loughner has pleaded not guilty to the charges.
Shot through the head and brain, Giffords is recovering from surgery that implanted a synthetic bone and a shunt in her skull, her doctors said last week.
She was in attendance last week when the space shuttle Endeavour took off with her husband, astronaut Mark Kelly, in command.
Among those attending Wednesday's hearing was Susan Hileman, 58, who was wounded in the shooting, and her husband, Bill. Susan Hileman was the neighbor who brought 9-year-old Christina to the supermarket meet-and-greet with Giffords.
Christina has often been remembered as the child shooting victim who was born on September 11, 2001.
Also attending were friends and co-workers of Judge Roll, whose courtroom was in the same courthouse as Wednesday's hearing.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/05/25/arizona.loughner.competency/index.html?hpt=C1
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Obviously motivated by Palin.
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Obviously motivated by Palin.
Undoubtedly. Had to be the website with the targets. ::)
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na... obama did it...
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Giffords released from hospital, will begin outpatient treatment
June 15th, 2011
U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords has been released from a Texas hospital where she has been recovering from a January gunshot wound to the head, and she soon will start outpatient treatment at the same facility, the hospital said Wednesday.
Giffords, D-Arizona, will move into the home of her husband, NASA astronaut and Navy Capt. Mark Kelly, in League City, Texas, according to TIRR Memorial Hermann Hospital in Houston.
"Congresswoman Giffords has shown clear, continuous improvement from the moment she arrived at TIRR five months ago," Dr. Gerard Francisco, the hospital’s chief medical officer, said in a news release. "We are very excited that she has reached the next phase of her rehabilitation and can begin outpatient treatment. We have no doubt that she will continue to make significant strides in her recovery."
Six people were killed and 13 others, including Giffords, were wounded when a gunman opened fire in front of a Safeway grocery store in Tucson, Arizona, on January 8.
Jared Lee Loughner, 22, is charged in the shooting. A federal judge ruled last month that he is not competent to stand trial, based on the results of court-ordered medical evaluations of Loughner. The U.S. attorney general will take custody of Loughner for a period not to exceed four months, during which he will be taken to a hospital for further evaluation to determine if he will become competent to stand trial.
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/15/giffords-released-from-hospital-will-begin-outpatient-treatement/
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Jared Lee Loughner, 22, is charged in the shooting. A federal judge ruled last month that he is not competent to stand trial, based on the results of court-ordered medical evaluations of Loughner. The U.S. attorney general will take custody of Loughner for a period not to exceed four months, during which he will be taken to a hospital for further evaluation to determine if he will become competent to stand trial.
They need to cut the bullshit on this one. This guy needs to pay the price for what he did. I really don't give a rats ass if he's nuts or not. He seems nuts to me, I still want to see his ass put down for what he did.
Good to see Giffords is doing well.
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They need to cut the bullshit on this one. This guy needs to pay the price for what he did. I really don't give a rats ass if he's nuts or not. He seems nuts to me, I still want to see his ass put down for what he did.
Good to see Giffords is doing well.
Agree.
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Appeals court temporarily halts forced medication of Jared Loughner
By the CNN Wire Staff
July 5, 2011
(CNN) -- A federal appeals court in San Francisco has temporarily halted the forced medication of Tucson shooting defendant Jared Loughner until a three-judge panel can hear competing arguments from his lawyers and prosecutors by mid-week.
Loughner is charged with seriously wounding U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in a January rampage that also left six others dead.
The brief order from a three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals set a tight deadline for lawyers from both sides to file more detailed legal briefs. The federal government has until 5 p.m. PT Wednesday to argue the involuntary medication should continue.
Loughner's lawyers had appealed Friday an earlier ruling allowing prison doctors to forcibly medicate him with strong drugs.
The appeals judges will decide whether to issue a permanent order that could extend the ban on forced medication, or allow the procedure to resume. There was no indication how soon the panel would rule.
Last week, a federal judge in San Diego rejected a motion by lawyers for Loughner to prevent prison doctors from forcibly medicating the Arizona shooting suspect.
"I defer to medical judgment," U.S. District Judge Larry Alan Burns said in ruling that prison doctors were within their rights to force Loughner to take mind-altering psychotropic drugs against his will. "I have no reason to disagree with the doctors here."
Burns also ordered that sensitive medical and legal documents relating to Loughner's treatment for mental illness remain sealed.
Loughner has already started receiving the powerful drugs, and lawyers representing Loughner contend that forcing him to take the drugs against his will violates his rights.
Authorities at the U.S. Medical Center for Federal Prisoners in Springfield, Missouri, where Loughner is being held, should have tried lesser restraints such as milder tranquilizers, argued Reuben Camper Cahn, one of Loughner's lawyers.
Prosecutors responded in last week's hearing that prison officials acted properly in ordering the medication, which they said was necessary for Loughner to control his mental illness.
"This is a person who is a ticking time bomb," prosecutor Wallace Kleindienst said. "He's lunged at his defense counsel and spits at her."
Loughner, 22, is charged in the January mass shooting in which six people were killed and 13 wounded, including Giffords, in front of a Safeway grocery story in Tucson, Arizona.
A federal judge ruled last month that Loughner was not competent to stand trial, and he was sent to the federal facility in Springfield.
Loughner's lawyers said prison officials held a deficient hearing process and used faulty reasoning in deciding to drug Loughner against his will.
For example, Loughner had no attorney present at the June 14 hearing, the lawyers said in their motion, and officials failed to state the drug and dosage he should receive.
According to the emergency motion filed last month, authorities had earlier assessed Loughner as dangerous because of incidents before his transfer to the Springfield prison: He threw a chair against a door and spat at an attorney.
However, the reasoning by prison officials in Springfield for deciding to administer the drugs was to treat Loughner's mental illness, rather than to subdue any dangerous behavior, the motion said.
Prosecutors had argued in their response that Loughner received a proper administrative hearing on the matter, and the medication prescribed was necessary to prevent him from being a danger to himself and others.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/05/loughner.forced.medication/index.html?hpt=ju_c2
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Lawyers Seek to Stop Loughner's Forced Medication
Published September 24, 2011
Associated Press
PHOENIX-- Lawyers for the Tucson shooting rampage suspect asked a federal court again Friday to stop his forced medication at a medical facility in a Missouri prison.
Jared Lee Loughner's lead attorney, Judy Clarke, wrote in an emergency motion that the ongoing forced medication of her client is unlawful. She said Loughner will suffer "irreparable harm" unless the prison is ordered to cease giving him a daily "four-drug cocktail," or at least start tapering him off it.
Loughner, 23, has been at the Springfield, Mo., facility since May 27 after he was found to be mentally unfit to stand trial. Experts have concluded he suffers from schizophrenia and are trying to restore his competency.
Loughner has pleaded not guilty to 49 charges stemming from the Jan. 8 shooting at a political event outside a northwest Tucson supermarket. The rampage left six people dead and 13 wounded, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who is still recovering.
Prison officials have forcibly medicated Loughner with psychotropic drugs after concluding he posed a danger at the facility. Federal prosecutors have previously argued Loughner should remain medicated because his mental and physical condition has been rapidly deteriorating.
Clarke said Loughner "has an exceptionally strong interest in not being executed." But she noted it is "no secret" that the government may seek the death penalty if the case is eventually tried.
Clarke said the prosecution's position of seeking to forcibly medicate Loughner so he can be found mentally fit to stand trial "raises the specter of medicating him to execute him."
"The forced-medication road taken by the government here is one that potentially leads to Mr. Loughner's death," she wrote.
An after-hours call to the U.S. Attorney's Office in Tucson for comment on Clarke's filing wasn't immediately returned Friday night.
U.S. District Court Judge Larry Burns ruled Aug. 26 that prison doctors may continue to forcibly medicate Loughner, noting the suspect kept himself awake for 50 hours straight after an appeals court stopped the forced medication July 1.
Clarke wrote in her Friday motion to Burns that "psychotropic drugs alter the chemical balance in a patient's brain and can have serious, even fatal, side effects."
She said there is no legal basis to forcibly medicate Loughner, and the Missouri prison has no authority to do so for competency restoration.
That decision can only be made by a court after an adversarial hearing, Clarke said.
Loughner is expected to attend a hearing Wednesday in Tucson where Burns will consider whether it's probable Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial and whether to extend his nearly four-month stay at the Missouri facility by another eight months.
Loughner was forcibly medicated between June 21 and July 1 after prison officials determined his outbursts there posed a danger to others. He was given twice daily doses of Risperidone, a drug used for people with schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and severe behavior problems.
Prison officials stopped doing that on July 2 after the 9th Circuit granted his lawyers' request for a temporary stay of involuntary medication. But prosecutors said Loughner was put on a 24-hour suicide watch in mid-July after he asked a prison psychologist to kill him.
Prosecutors also said Missouri prison staff reported Loughner had been pacing in circles near his cell door, screaming loudly, crying for hours at a time and claiming to hear messages from a radio.
Records show the prison's medical and psychology staff feared Loughner's condition could worsen without immediate care and resumed medicating him July 18.
Loughner's lawyers haven't said whether they intend to present an insanity defense, but they have noted in court filings that his mental condition will likely be a central issue at trial.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/24/lawyers-seek-to-stop-loughners-forced-medication/
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Mark Kelly, husband of Rep. Giffords, retires from Navy
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 9:51 AM EST, Sat October 1, 2011
(CNN) -- Mark Kelly, the astronaut and husband of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, formally retired from the Navy on Saturday.
Kelly, 47, is a former Navy combat and test pilot who went on to command Space Shuttle flights in 2008 and again in May, several months after his wife, U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, was wounded in a shooting at a constituent event in Tucson, Arizona. He also flew as part of Shuttle crews in 2001 and 2006.
He announced his retirement in June and it became effective on Saturday.
In a posting on his Facebook page at the time, he said he wanted to devote more time to helping Giffords recover from her injuries, and also to spend more time with his daughters from a previous marriage.
"This was not an easy decision. Public service has been more than a job for me and for my family," Kelly wrote on his Facebook page at the time.
Kelly joined the Navy in 1987 after graduating from the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy in 1986.
Kelly and Giffords have a book coming out on November 15.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/01/us/nasa-mark-kelly/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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Tweet of the day: Giffords returning to Washington
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(CNN) - Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona will make her second trip to Washington since being gravely wounded in a mass shooting in January.
The Democratic congresswoman will attend a military retirement service for her husband, astronaut and Navy captain Mark Kelly, at the White House on Thursday, with no plans to stop by Capitol Hill.
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Ceremony marks Navy retirement of Gabrielle Giffords' husband
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 5:20 PM EST, Thu October 6, 2011
Washington (CNN) -- Rep. Gabrielle Giffords joined about 50 dignitaries and family members Thursday in Washington to mark the retirement of her husband, Mark Kelly, from the U.S. Navy.
Kelly, 47,enlisted the military in 1987 and served as a combat and test pilot before joining the U.S. space program. He was part of space shuttle flights in 2001 and 2006, and then commanded ones in 2008 and again in May.
The last one took place several months after Giffords was among 13 people wounded in a shooting at a constituent event outside a Tucson, Arizona, supermarket. Six others -- including a federal judge and child -- were killed.
Since then, the Arizona Democrat has been mostly out of the public eye and in intense rehabilitation in Arizona and Texas. One exception, prior to Thursday, was her August 1 return to the Capitol to cast a vote to raise the nation's debt ceiling.
She attended Thursday's event inside the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, located next to the West Wing of the White House, along with her congressional chief of staff, Pia Carusone, plus her and Kelly's mothers and his two teenage daughters from a previous marriage.
Sporting glasses, black pants, running shoes and a brace on her right hand, Giffords smiled as she entered to prolonged applause and sat in the front row.
Kelly officially retired from the Navy on Saturday. Thursday's event to commemorate the occasion was attended by NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand and several other members of Congress.
At one point, Giffords helped present her husband with the Distinguishing Flying Cross medal, in honor of his fourth space shuttle mission.
Vice President Joe Biden presided over the ceremony, attaching a Legion of Merit pin to Kelly's jacket and later offering remarks.
"It's not every day you encounter examples of sheer, sheer courage and selflessness and dedication like you see in this couple," he said of Giffords and Kelly.
Kelly also spoke, extending thanks to those who have offered their "boundless friendship and optimism" over the past eight, trying months. And he made a plea for NASA to "remain a permanent part of the fabric of this great country."
The former astronaut gave flowers to his daughters and wife, then addressed her in front of the crowd.
"Gabby, you remind me every day to deny the acceptance of failure," he said. "I look forward to the next phase of our life together and watching all of your future achievements."
Kelly announced his retirement in June, writing then on his Facebook page that he wanted to devote more time to helping Giffords recover from her injuries and spend more time with his daughters.
"This was not an easy decision. Public service has been more than a job for me and for my family," he wrote.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/06/politics/kelly-retirement/index.html
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Gabrielle Giffords gives first TV interview since shooting
By Richard Allen Greene, CNN
updated 11:09 AM EST, Tue November 15, 2011
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Gabrielle Giffords, left, who was shot in January, is pictured with her mother Gloria after months in recovery.
(CNN) -- Gabrielle Giffords, the Arizona congresswoman who was shot in the head during a gun rampage in January, appeared in her first television interview late Monday night, clearly understanding the questions put to her but able to respond only in simple words.
"I cried," she told ABC's Diane Sawyer in response to a question about how she felt when her husband told her what had happened.
"Died," she said.
"Sad," said her husband, retired astronaut Mark Kelly.
Giffords hopes for Congress return
"Sad," Giffords agreed. "I cried. A lot of people died."
But she said she never got angry about it.
"No," she said. "No. No. No."
She paused.
"Life," she said, then shrugged. "Life."
Jared Loughner, 23, is accused of wounding Giffords and 12 others and killing six people in the shooting at a meet-and-greet event for the congresswoman outside a Tucson, Arizona, shopping center.
Giffords, a Democrat, posted a video address to her constituents on the Arizona Daily Star website, saying she missed them and Tuscon: "The mountains, the blue skies, even the heat.
"I'm getting stronger, I'm getting better," she says, adding that she wants to go back to work.
She sat with her husband on a couch for the ABC interview, wearing a lime green jacket.
She wore her hair short and smiled often.
Giffords said: "Pretty good," when Sawyer asked how she felt.
Sawyer asked Giffords if it was painful to move her right arm, and Giffords said it was not.
"Difficult," she said twice, then grinned and swung her left arm.
"Strong!" she said, getting a laugh from Sawyer. "Strong, strong!"
Giffords was shot in the head, with the bullet passing through the left side of her brain, which controls the right half of the body.
Her right arm lay unused on her lap during the interview.
But before the interview began, she leaned over to fix Sawyer's hair with her left hand.
Giffords has made what doctors call a miraculous recovery since the shooting.
She was shown in therapy, struggling to come up with a word when asked what she would use to tell time.
"W....," the therapist prompts.
"Wwwwwwatch!" Giffords says, to the delight of the therapist.
She and Kelly told Sawyer she did two hours of therapy a day in their home.
Giffords has clearly retained a sense of humor; her husband teases her when Sawyer asks what she loves by interjecting: "Football! Gabby loves the NFL."
"No, no, no," she giggles. "Stinks!"
Loughner is in mental health treatment and will be re-evaluated early next year to determine his competency to stand trial.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/15/politics/gabrielle-giffords-interview/index.html
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msnbc using it to whine about the fact the kid had a mental condition, but was stil able to buy the gun.
in this case, it wasn't a matter of the law not being right - it was shitty arizona law enforcement that didn't enforce the law.
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Husband: Giffords will come back 'stronger than ever'
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 10:45 PM EST, Wed November 23, 2011
(CNN) -- U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords works hard every day to overcome the devastating effects of a gunshot wound in the brain that would have killed most people.
The grueling physical, occupational and speech therapy is helping the Arizona congresswoman get to a point where she can make a decision about returning to office, said her husband, retired astronaut Mark Kelly.
Thursday, the couple will spend an emotional Thanksgiving in Tucson.
There's "a lot to be thankful for," Kelly told CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight" in an interview broadcast Wednesday.
Mark Kelly on Sarah Palin's target Loughner's mental state improving Gabby Giffords' road to recovery
"Gabby's alive, first of all, and ... she's been able to recover," Kelly said. "She'd remind people to be thankful for your health, your family and for being alive. "
Giffords is generally in an "upbeat mood," Kelly said, and is not angry about what happened to her. "She'll come back stronger than ever, I'm convinced."
The couple have chronicled their experience in a new book, "Gabby: A Story of Courage and Hope."
Jared Loughner, 23, is accused of wounding Giffords and 12 others, and killing six people, in the shooting at a meet-and-greet event for the congresswoman outside a Tucson shopping center in January.
Early on, Kelly said, Giffords said she would like to see Loughner' "rot" if convicted.
"I think she feels differently now," Kelly said. "She understands he's very sick and needs to be treated."
Last week, Giffords told ABC's Diane Sawyer that she was sad about the six people who died in the shooting.
"I cried. A lot of people died," Giffords said, telling Sawyer she doesn't remember the next 13 days at a hospital in Tucson before she was flown to a rehabilitation hospital in Houston.
Kelly told Morgan he initially did not tell Giffords about the people who died that day. Eventually, the congresswoman saw newspaper articles about the incident.
Giffords caught him when he skipped over the deaths when reading one article, Kelly said.
"She was reading over my shoulder and pointed out that I'd left that out," Kelly said. "I read the paragraph where it talked about six people being killed."
Giffords appeared "shocked." A few minutes later, she broke down in the middle of her speech therapy class. "It was tough," said Kelly, who retired last month as a Navy captain.
The nature of her brain injury allowed Giffords during therapy to sing an entire song, even when she couldn't speak a sentence, Kelly said.
"So she would sing a song. And the therapists kind of used that to help rebuild connections," Kelly said. "They talk about the plasticity of the brain and that it's able to form new connections."
A therapist would play songs by U2, a favorite band of Giffords.
The former astronaut, 47, recalled the 30 minutes that transpired after a couple of news networks reported that Giffords had died.
"It was a tough situation. My mother screamed; kids started crying," Kelly said. "I just got up, walked into the airplane's bathroom and, you know, just broke down. And it was a difficult period of time. But, in hindsight, looking at it, that was the low point. And it's all been pretty positive since then."
Giffords has made what doctors call a miraculous recovery since the shooting.
Her neurosurgeon, Dr. Dong Kim, recently told CNN that Giffords' thought process is normal -- a remarkable feat for someone with the kind of injuries she suffered. She is currently able to answer questions with a few words or a short phrase.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/23/politics/giffords-kelly/index.html
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Giffords to return to Tucson for shooting anniversary
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CNN's Kevin Liptak
(CNN) - Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, still recovering from head wounds incurred at a shooting in Tucson last year, will attend a vigil marking the anniversary of the massacre that left six people dead, her office announced Wednesday.
The ceremony will take place on the campus of the University of Arizona in Tucson on Sunday, and is one of several events taking place over the weekend to mark the anniversary of the shooting.
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Giffords will attend the event with her husband, retired Navy captain Mark Kelly.
"Congresswoman Giffords wanted to be back in Tucson for this very emotional weekend," Pia Carusone, Giffords' chief of staff, said in a statement. "She felt it was important to be in her hometown with her family, staff members and a few close friends."
Giffords, a Democrat, was shot January 8, 2011 in a parking lot outside a grocery store in Tucson as she was holding a constituent meet-and-greet. Jared Loughner, 23, is accused of wounding Giffords and 12 others and killing six people. Loughner has since been diagnosed with mental illness.
Giffords has been undergoing therapy in Houston, but has returned to Tucson four times since the shooting, according to her office.
Tucson Mayor Jonathan Rothschild, Rabbi Stephanie Aaron and Dr. Peter Rhee, one of Giffords doctors, will also participate in Sunday's event. The emcee will be Ron Barber, Giffords' district director who was shot and wounded in last year's incident.
Giffords' office said the congresswoman would not give interviews during the anniversary weekend.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/05/giffords-to-return-to-tucson-for-shooting-anniversary/
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Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords to resign from Congress
Published January 22, 2012
FoxNews.com
Rep. Gabrielle Giffords announced Sunday that she has "more work to do" on her recovery after an assassination attempt and will resign from her congressional seat this week.
In a video release posted on her website and tweeted from her Twitter handle, the congresswoman said that she is getting better but wants to do what's right for her constituents.
Nov. 14, 2011: In this undated photo provided by ABC, U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and husband Mark Kelly are interviewed.
"Arizona is my home, always will be. A lot has happened over the past year. We cannot change that, but I know that on the issues we fought for we can change things for the better: Jobs, border security, veterans. We can do so much more by working together," she says in the two-minute video.
"I don't remember much from that horrible day, but I will never forget the trust you placed in me to be your voice. Thank you for your prayers and for giving me time to recover. I have more work to do on my recovery so to do what is best for Arizona, I will step down this week," she says.
Giffords, D-Ariz, was shot in the head on Jan. 8, 2011, while holding a town hall meeting in Tucson outside a grocery store. She was one of 13 people injured. Six others, including her aide, Gabe Zimmerman, were killed in the assault. The alleged gunman, Jared Loughner, is being treated with anti-psychotic drugs in a prison hospital to determine whether he will become fit to stand trial.
The attack on Giffords led to calls for more civility in Congress, including from President Obama who attended a memorial service in Tucson for the fallen. Giffords returned to Congress just once during the last year -- to vote on a debt ceiling deal that had bitterly split the Congress and White House.
Giffords and her husband, astronaut Mark Kelly, had announced recently that Giffords would decide soon whether to run for reelection. In a note to Giffords' staff and obtained by Fox News on Sunday, Kelly said, "While Gabby was hopeful that she would return to work this year, she has recently determined that it will take more time."
"We wish things were different," he added. "We wish the tragedy of January 8th hadn't happened. We wish that six innocent lives weren't lost. ... But it is our mission to remain positive and reflect on just how lucky our family is better. Gabby is getting better and her can-do spirit will lead her towards a life of success and happiness."
News of Giffords' decision spread quickly. House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi issued a statement saying that Giffords "has been a true bright star."
"Gabby's message of bipartisanship and civility is one that all in Washington and the nation should honor and emulate," said Pelosi, who was informed of the decision ahead of the announcement.
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., one of the congresswoman's close friends on Capitol Hill, issued a statement noting that Giffords demonstrated to the world that she is "an extraordinary woman of fierce drive, determination and courage."
"Gabby made the right decision for her and her family, but this is just the beginning of the next chapter of her story," Gillibrand said. "I know that Gabby will find other ways to fulfill her calling of public service and continue to lead and inspire the nation."
Republicans also expressed their appreciation for Giffords.
"We salute Rep. Giffords for her service, & for the courage & perseverance she has shown in the face of tragedy. She will be missed," tweeted House Speaker John Boehner.
In the video, Giffords is seated, wearing red. Interspersed in the video of her addressing the camera are shots of Arizona and her talking to constituents as well as pictures of her walking with Kelly.
"I'm getting better. Every day my spirit is high. I will return and we will work together for Arizona and this great country. Thank you very much," she says.
In a formal statement released by her office, Giffords, who was elected in November 2006, said she was proud that her district included Tombstone, the "town too tough to die."
Giffords will submit her letter of resignation later this week to Boehner and Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer. Brewer will set the date for a special primary and general elections within 72 hours of Giffords' resignation. Both votes will likely be held by the end of June. Another regularly scheduled general election will be held in November.
As one of her last acts as a member of Congress, Giffords will attend the State of the Union speech Tuesday evening at the Capitol.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/22/giffords-to-resign-from-congress/
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Palin's website is now down:
http://www.sarahpac.com/
BUMP
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BUMP
SO??????????????????????
She got a shitload of traffic and/or removed that target map that had giffords on it?
SHOW ME where I blamed palin. Show me, motherrrrfcccker.
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show me where I blamed palin for the giffords shooting, 333386.
Show me. You called me out for it. back that shit up or say "okay, maybe you didn't blame her, have a beer and relax 240..."
Show m.
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not only that... but Gov brewer just loosened gun permit restrictions. Criminals don't follow gun laws anyway, but this sure won't help things.
Brewers' fault
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Were you a bag of shit for blaming palin for giffords?
I did NOT. Here ya go...
We gotta be careful not to jump to any conclusions. She also did a lot to send national guard forces to the Mexican border. So it could very well have been related to that, and not this 'hit list' which you mention that caused so much controversy. Or it could be something else.
Her poor husband is an astronaut - he is stuck in space right now. Geez.
That was my first thought - she did a ton with pushing national guard into mexico and it could be nearing outright war with such an attack like this from a foreign gang. Hopefully it has nothing to do with domestic politics - it'll only make things uglier here.
Straw agreed back there that I blamed nobody but the shooter:
I haven't seen 240 blame anyone other than the shooter
Here I actually defended Palin
Regardless, nobody is blaming her. She delivered a VERY tasteless image which is the ONLY known connection to this poor congresswoman and gun violence. But it may not be relevant.
I never actually even brought up palin:
Read page 1. NEURO brought up palin, dude.
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Good.
Loughner sentenced to life in prison without parole
Editor's note: Jared Loughner, the Arizona man who pleaded guilty to the January 2011 attempted assassination of then-U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, was sentenced Thursday to life in prison without parole. The shooting at a meet-and-greet in Tuscon killed six people and wounded 13 others, including Giffords. We'll provide you with the latest details from inside and outside the courthouse as well as reaction when it comes in.
[Updated at 2:16 p.m.] Judge Larry Burns has sentenced Loughner to seven consecutive life terms in prison, plus 140 years, without the possibility of parole.
Burns said six of the life sentences represent the six slain victims, and one represents the attempted assassination of Giffords.
"Each of those victims was important," Burns said. "It reflects each of those individual lives. There is a symbolic nature in this."
"He should never get out of prison. I find this is just punishment. He will never have the opportunity to pick up a gun and do this again," Burns said.
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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/08/victims-enter-court-for-giffords-shooter-sentencing/?hpt=hp_t1