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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Meso_z on December 28, 2010, 09:02:00 AM
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I heard so many times 1-2 grams per pound of LBM, which i follow... but i was wondering is we really need that much..
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Another endless discussion... Truth is that there is no "truth"
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There are many factors at play there ma man, for example amount and level of training, natural or enhananced, carb intake, etc.
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no imo this is too much!!..
"just a pilgrim" stated before that he was consuming about 300 gms of protein every day then decreased them to 150 or so and didnt lose any muscles!!..
sure protein is what we need to build muscles but eat it in a good healthy way or you will hate your life!!.. it's not logical to force yourself to eat more and more chickens or beefs thinking you are building your muscles!!.. this right thing must be reasonable and bearable!!..
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I heard so many times 1-2 grams per pound of LBM, which i follow... but i was wondering is we really need that much..
ask this guy.
hes read every study there is on the topic.
and only does he talk the talk, he walks the walk.
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ask this guy.
hes read every study there is on the topic.
and only does he talk the talk, he walks the walk.
Fagpanda looks less horrible than a few months ago, I'll give him that. Monster 45 inch waist and 14 inch arms.
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I've found that anything around 1.5 grams per LBM is good. The more important thing for me is calorie intake and overall number of meals.
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I've found that anything around 1.5 grams per LBM is good. The more important thing for me is calorie intake and overall number of meals.
For what? To get fat? No need for all that shit unless you want to look like Kai or Jay and I'm not talking about in a good way.
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I'm under the impression that protein "needs" are vastly over-stated and over-rated. For example, how did my friend who weighed about 275 and could bench press 700 pounds keep his size and strength by only eating 80 grams of protein daily for 2 months straight while "dieting down"? The thing that I obsess about is... Would it be a good plan to "protein load" when one is certain that a growth spurt is taking place?
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ask this guy.
hes read every study there is on the topic.
and only does he talk the talk, he walks the walk.
Fatpanda has a touch of the personal trainer syndrome.
He might actually want to apply his numerous theories on training and nutrition to real life before giving advice to others.
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when you are hungry, eat. don't force feed. eat till you are full again. get the required carbs and then any empty space left in your stomach can be filled with protein. you won't eat too much but don't over emphasize it.
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These are the protien requirements to be an IFBB pro.
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ask this guy.
hes read every study there is on the topic.
and not only does he overtalk the talk, he underwalks the walk.
Fixed!
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I definintely agree that the 1-1.5 grams/pound lbw is bullshit.
I've tried that for years, and was always at a higher bf, even when low carbing and dropping fat. I've since lowered the protein amount, and haven't lost any size or strength, but have dropped bf.
I'm natural btw.
My doc told me that the body just cannot use that amount of protein. .. and will be stored as bf.
My opinion is that its all just the supplement market trying to get sales.
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when you are hungry, eat. don't force feed. eat till you are full again. get the required carbs and then any empty space left in your stomach can be filled with protein. you won't eat too much but don't over emphasize it.
Required carbs? Carbs aren't required...Protein first as a bodybuilder...The only time carbs are really needed is in the morning and before and after training (and that's for energy purposes)...You don't need carbs to build muscle. It's just glycogen restoring...Protein first, last and always but you don't need a crazy amount....Remember in the mid to late 90s when everyone was trying ingest 400-500 grams weighing 200 - 250 lbs? They found out it wasn't needed....
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Bingo! Mr. Coltrane
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I just eat a nomral balanced diet. And I add a little extra protien in by drinking a little extra milk or nuts.
If yu are a natural lifter. There's no need to go overboard with protien or anything else in the diet. It'll just make you chubby and unhealthy after a while.
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The absolute most you need is 1 gram per pound of lean bodyweight.
If you get .5 - .75 grams per lb you'll be just fine.
Don't believe the supplement company's bullshit.
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For what? To get fat? No need for all that shit unless you want to look like Kai or Jay and I'm not talking about in a good way.
Getting fat isn't a problem for me. I've spent the last 6 1/2 years in the Marine Corps and do cardio no less than 3 days a week. Sometimes as much as 6.
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Getting fat isn't a problem for me. I've spent the last 6 1/2 years in the Marine Corps and do cardio no less than 3 days a week. Sometimes as much as 6.
Huah!...X-Air Force 10 years for me...Thanks for serving 8)
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Depend if you are natural or not and if your trying to gain muscle mass or mantain it.
Natural:1 gram per lb. could be too much unless you are in severe low carb/calorie diet.
Enhanced:1 gram per lb. might be not enough if you train 5 time a week and run 1gram of test+1gram of anabolics+hgh+insulin and you are trying to max out your muscle growt.
The truth is that the requirement of protein to sustain or gain muscle varies if you are Kay Greene on heavy cycle or a natural bb.
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Depend if you are natural or not and if your trying to gain muscle mass or mantain it.
Natural:1 gram per lb. could be too much unless you are in severe low carb/calorie diet.
Enhanced:1 gram per lb. might be not enough if you train 5 time a week and run 1gram of test+1gram of anabolics+hgh+insulin and you are trying to max out your muscle growt.
The truth is that the requirement of protein to sustain or gain muscle varies if you are Kay Greene on heavy cycle or a natural bb.
agreed.
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I definintely agree that the 1-1.5 grams/pound lbw is bullshit.
I've tried that for years, and was always at a higher bf, even when low carbing and dropping fat. I've since lowered the protein amount, and haven't lost any size or strength, but have dropped bf.
I'm natural btw.
My doc told me that the body just cannot use that amount of protein. .. and will be stored as bf.
My opinion is that its all just the supplement market trying to get sales.
I kind of experienced the same thing.
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by bodyweight, we actually mean lean pounds right? so if someone is 220 and 15% bf he would need x grams * 187 pounds. right?
(rocket science) ;D
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Protein itself is not going to make anyone fat, with the high cost of digestion protein carries it's the last macronutrient to ever be stored as body fat. You have to look at the totality of what you are eating thats making the protein to cause you to get fat. Too much protein will cause other macros to be stored as body fat if those macros are taken in excess. It's very easy, eat more protein burn less carbs and fat for energy, burn less carbs and energy = storing more adipose tissues. Learn to time your meals and macros and eat according to what you just did and what you are going to do and you will and you will be surprised at how fat you don't get!
Of course, hormones, training frequency, volume, metabolism, genetics, general lifestyle, all factors in. What works for one person and is true to one person can be completely wrong and false to another person. And at the end of the day they both will argue, however at the end of the day they will both be right!
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To be safe : for a natural bb. 1gram per lb. is the max for optimal muscle growt, for enhanced bb. 2gram per pound is the max for optimal muscle growt.
You just can not compare the ability of body to synthesize new muscle mass between a olimpya competitor on cycle and an average natural bb. and consequently you can not compare the requirement of protein between the two.
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If this 1 gram per pound of lean body weight is legit, then how can y'all explain THE FACT that this 275 pound beast with a 700 pound bp kept his size and strength at 80 grams daily? FYI, this fellas name is JM Blakely
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If this 1 gram per pound of lean body weight is legit, then how can y'all explain THE FACT that this 275 pound beast with a 700 pound bp kept his size and strength at 80 grams daily? FYI, this fellas name is JM Blakely
That fact that less is required to maintain than it is gain, sometimes far less depending on the person. It's called genetics.
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If this 1 gram per pound of lean body weight is legit, then how can y'all explain THE FACT that this 275 pound beast with a 700 pound bp kept his size and strength at 80 grams daily? FYI, this fellas name is JM Blakely
What's his diet like? It would be hard to eat enough non-protien food to maintain that size and strength.
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Well, at that time we was taking in roughly 2000 cals daily, I'm not sure about the ratio of carbs to fat intake, but I know that he wasn't going over 80 grams of pro daily. He always told me, that as long as one gets in 100 grams daily then they are ok. And as far as needing more protein for growth, what do y'all think about this idea to "protein load" when one is in the midst of a muscle growth spurt? In my humble opinion, muscle growth occurs in spurts, not gradually. And I'm talking about natural training here, coz I don't have any chemical experience.
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A 275 lb guy benching 700 lbs and eating 2000 calories a day, or each meal.? ;D If it was a day, must have been a brief period of time.
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I quote myself from another thread:
Let me summarize all the training and nutrition truths I've learnt at Getbig over the past years:
1. supplements, including protein powders worth nothing
2. eating "clean" foods worths nothing
3. eating every 2-3 hours, 6 times a day is unnecessary
4. eating tons of vitamins, minerals is unnecessary
5. "post workout window" is also a bullshit thing
6. cardio is not needed
7. lifting heavy ass weights is not needed
8. cable machnines are not that bad
9. workout programs, training splits are not important
10. drugs are not only the finishing touch
I only have ONE question! Why do I still look like shit when I follow all of them except the last??!! :D
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Not so brief, about 2 months straight actually. I think that he may have been some kind of mutant though, since he went for years without really training his legs, and kept some jacked 30 inchers on him ;D
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Hey Team, points 6 and 7 are COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT, and no comment on 10, since I'm a natural trainer. Remember this... HARD AND EFFICIENT TRAINING is the answer (speaking for natural trainers of course). The only thing that I can say about "diet" is that JUNK MEALS ARE ESSENTIAL ;D 8)
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That absolute most you need is 1 gram per pound of lean bodyweight.
If you get .5 - .75 grams per lb you'll be just fine.
Don't believe the supplement company's bullshit.
I agree...
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Well, from a macro nutrient perspective foods primary purpose is to provide energy, which might explain why 2 of the 3 macro nutrients can only be used of energy.
I guess we don't know for sure how protein we really need but if push comes to shove protein/amino acids can be converted to glucose -- energy. Carbohydrates/glucose and fats cannot be converted into amino acids.
Besides, I like protein foods. Carnivore. All the way carnivore.
I don't think I'll be taking Basile's recommendation of consuming 20-50 grams of protein a day.
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Force feeding protein is useless, mostly propaganda which is driven by supplement companies trying to make cash. You can get all the the protein you need through foods although the drinks are a easy and fast way to ingest protein it's your choice.
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I'm curious pellius, you are certainly lean and in good shape, but have you really changed much in recent years (lost fat, gained size and/or strength)? I'm not hating man, I'm just curious. Speaking from my own perspective I got a "little bit lost" so to speak, and in the meantime have become greatly deconditioned. Going from a peak of 167 sub-8 to about 180 20-22%, I fucking finally "remembered" what I did I the past to achieve a decent look, and I'm working on applying those principles now. Anyways, I'm excited about what I'm gonna achieve so that keeps the motivation high and focused "part of the process" of seeing visible results. But, for me at least, maintaining isn't nearly as fun and cool as changing and gaining
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I'm curious pellius, you are certainly lean and in good shape, but have you really changed much in recent years (lost fat, gained size and/or strength)? I'm not hating man, I'm just curious. Speaking from my own perspective I got a "little bit lost" so to speak, and in the meantime have become greatly deconditioned. Going from a peak of 167 sub-8 to about 180 20-22%, I fucking finally "remembered" what I did I the past to achieve a decent look, and I'm working on applying those principles now. Anyways, I'm excited about what I'm gonna achieve so that keeps the motivation high and focused "part of the process" of seeing visible results. But, for me at least, maintaining isn't nearly as fun and cool as changing and gaining
True. My weight has pretty much been the same for about the last 20-25 years. But I really stop serious body building in my mid twenties. Having said that I have been training consistently, and consistently hard and serious, for the last 38 years. The only breaks I would take is due to injuries or illness. Sometimes, I'd take a week off a few times a year if I'm feeling worn out. But usually I'd just lower the intensity and still train.
I wanted to reply to your comment on the other thread where you made such great gains using progressive over load. You put x inches on your quads in x amount of time. That's great but whenever I hear this, it was after a lay off. When you made these gains how long were you consistently training before and how long did you keep making gains? Why did you stop? As they all seem to do. Sure you can get bigger quads by squatting more weight but for how long will this continue?
Train consistently for at least two years straight and then come back and tell me how your progression is going. And also show me what kind of shape you are in. Mentzer use to brag about how much weight his clients put on but to me that's meaningless. A lot, if not the majority, of Americans put on a little bit of weight every year without ever touching a weigh. They just keep getting fatter. Much like the clients of Mentzer that I've seen.
And yes, making steady and continuous gains in terms of increasing muscle mass is much more fun, satisfying and cool as maintaining. Too bad nobody can or have ever done so after a certain number of years of consistent training.
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studies say 1g per pound of lean body mass.
that's my official word on the matter.
this thread can now be closed.
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Well, as far as the legs go, I gained 6 and a half lean pounds and 2 inches on my quads over a 5 week period training them once every 6 days. I only did the leg press doing 3 work sets per workout. My leg press strength increased from 3 plates per side to 5 plates per side over those 5 weeks. Before I was training legs once every 4 days, so I think the switch from every 4 days to every 6 days made a big difference. As far as Mentzer goes, you have a good point, and me thinks that it would have been much better if he also was able to give body comp changes with the weight gain changes as well. For example, I went from 160 @ 12.4% to 165 @ 11.2% during that 5 week "leg press experiment"
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studies say 1g per pound of lean body mass.
that's my official word on the matter.
this thread can now be closed.
LOL.... ;D Oh brother, you're a glutton for punishment.
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LOL.... ;D Oh brother, you're a glutton for punishment.
He's a "glutton" alright....
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Well, as far as the legs go, I gained 6 and a half lean pounds and 2 inches on my quads over a 5 week period training them once every 6 days. I only did the leg press doing 3 work sets per workout. My leg press strength increased from 3 plates per side to 5 plates per side over those 5 weeks. Before I was training legs once every 4 days, so I think the switch from every 4 days to every 6 days made a big difference. As far as Mentzer goes, you have a good point, and me thinks that it would have been much better if he also was able to give body comp changes with the weight gain changes as well. For example, I went from 160 @ 12.4% to 165 @ 11.2% during that 5 week "leg press experiment"
What happened after the fifth week? And how big did your quads actually get?
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Good question man. Well, actually they didn't get any bigger after that 5th week, coz I stopped progressively overloading them ;D You see, I was competing in bench press competitions and I didn't want to add any more "un-necessary weight" in places that wouldn't help my bp ;)
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Apparently Jason Ferrugia did studies with lots of his clients and came to the conclusion that .6 g/lb is enough.
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Apparently Jason Ferrugia did studies with lots of his clients and came to the conclusion that .6 g/lb is enough.
Lean body weight or overall? Natural or juiced?
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Horseshit has a lot of protein in it.
Read through this thread a couple of times to get a taste.
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studies say 1g per pound of lean body mass.
that's my official word on the matter.
this thread can now be closed.
I know I'm "feeding the troll" at this point but I don't care
anyway, you do realize that you (Fatpanda) are a fat guy who is giving out nutrition advice, right?
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friend,,i keep telling you over and over that hgh dictate EVERYTHING in bodybuilding,,all my posting abotu hgh should be a pre requiite before even reading the bible,,it should stand by its own as the abolit 10 comendements of the bodybuilder,,
no hgh = no need for all this calorie,,get it in your head once and for all
YOU WILL NEVER SEE ANYTHINNG OUT OF THE EXTRA CALORIE YOU EAT UNLESS GH IS IN BLOOD,,
YOU WILL NEVER SEE ANYTHING OUT OF THE ANADROL YOU TAKE BESIDE BLOOFY FAT DIGUSTING SLUGINESH UNLESSS THIS ANADROL INTAKE FOLLOWED CLOSELY BY GH INTAKE THAT GOES HAND IN HAND,,
people here and on many other board think oh we take anadrol and dbo few tablet and become monster,,yes you sure will become monster,,youll be come monster of BLOOFINESS,, you will have skin down under your tummy and midsection that youll be able to pinch and feel the disgusting water and fat under and wont see any visible anything btu one (big) bulk of mess,,UNLESS YOU ARE ON GROWTH HORMONE,,AND ENOUGH GROWTH HORMONE ,,
ye at 22 you may see omthign out of them but thats ONLY BECAUSE YOUR NATURAL GH IS AT PEAK ,,try it at over 28 and you will see how from good body you become disgusting body in a matter of weeks,,
NO GH = NO BODYBUILDDER
NO GH = NO BODYBUILDER
NO GH = NO BODYBUILDER
NO GH = NO BODYBUILDER
WE ARE ADDICTED TO GH ,,WE CHAE IT LIKE GOLD IN A MINE ,,A FELLA LIKE LIAR PRIEST I SWIMMMMMMMMMMMMING IN GH ABOVE HIS 5'4 HEAD,,
THE LIES TO YOU ARE SO BIG AND I HOPE YOU CAN FIGURE IT OUT SINCE I TRY MY BEST TO HELP YOU FIGURING IT OUT ,,
gh15 approved
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friend,,i keep telling you over and over that hgh dictate EVERYTHING in bodybuilding,,all my posting abotu hgh should be a pre requiite before even reading the bible,,it should stand by its own as the abolit 10 comendements of the bodybuilder,,
no hgh = no need for all this calorie,,get it in your head once and for all
YOU WILL NEVER SEE ANYTHINNG OUT OF THE EXTRA CALORIE YOU EAT UNLESS GH IS IN BLOOD,,
YOU WILL NEVER SEE ANYTHING OUT OF THE ANADROL YOU TAKE BESIDE BLOOFY FAT DIGUSTING SLUGINESH UNLESSS THIS ANADROL INTAKE FOLLOWED CLOSELY BY GH INTAKE THAT GOES HAND IN HAND,,
people here and on many other board think oh we take anadrol and dbo few tablet and become monster,,yes you sure will become monster,,youll be come monster of BLOOFINESS,, you will have skin down under your tummy and midsection that youll be able to pinch and feel the disgusting water and fat under and wont see any visible anything btu one (big) bulk of mess,,UNLESS YOU ARE ON GROWTH HORMONE,,AND ENOUGH GROWTH HORMONE ,,
ye at 22 you may see omthign out of them but thats ONLY BECAUSE YOUR NATURAL GH IS AT PEAK ,,try it at over 28 and you will see how from good body you become disgusting body in a matter of weeks,,
NO GH = NO BODYBUILDDER
NO GH = NO BODYBUILDER
NO GH = NO BODYBUILDER
NO GH = NO BODYBUILDER
WE ARE ADDICTED TO GH ,,WE CHAE IT LIKE GOLD IN A MINE ,,A FELLA LIKE LIAR PRIEST I SWIMMMMMMMMMMMMING IN GH ABOVE HIS 5'4 HEAD,,
THE LIES TO YOU ARE SO BIG AND I HOPE YOU CAN FIGURE IT OUT SINCE I TRY MY BEST TO HELP YOU FIGURING IT OUT ,,
gh15 approved
So do you think that GH is an important thing for a bodybuilder to take?
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I can only speak for myself but I gained more muscle when taking 300 grams of protein a day compared to when I was taking 150 grams a day. Obviously there comes a point of diminishing returns but you've got to figure out what works best for you.
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I can only speak for myself but I gained more muscle when taking 300 grams of protein a day compared to when I was taking 150 grams a day. Obviously there comes a point of diminishing returns but you've got to figure out what works best for you.
For me it's the opposite.
I don't even take protien powder. The last time I took it was years ago. It's over rated. If you're eating a high protien diet then that's all you need if you're natural.
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Good question man. Well, actually they didn't get any bigger after that 5th week, coz I stopped progressively overloading them ;D You see, I was competing in bench press competitions and I didn't want to add any more "un-necessary weight" in places that wouldn't help my bp ;)
OK. So what happened after your bench press competitions?
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Lean body weight or overall? Natural or juiced?
I'm not sure but I'd go with overall / natural. I think he still recommends 1 g/lb in most circumstances though.
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Honestly? Well, I just got "distracted" with other things in life ie. females, so I stopped regular and consistant training, and then of course ALL my gains went down the drain. Yeah, I trained very occasionaly, but NEVER enough to make any worthwhile progress.
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friend,,i keep telling you over and over that hgh dictate EVERYTHING in bodybuilding,,all my posting abotu hgh should be a pre requiite before even reading the bible,,it should stand by its own as the abolit 10 comendements of the bodybuilder,,
no hgh = no need for all this calorie,,get it in your head once and for all
YOU WILL NEVER SEE ANYTHINNG OUT OF THE EXTRA CALORIE YOU EAT UNLESS GH IS IN BLOOD,,
YOU WILL NEVER SEE ANYTHING OUT OF THE ANADROL YOU TAKE BESIDE BLOOFY FAT DIGUSTING SLUGINESH UNLESSS THIS ANADROL INTAKE FOLLOWED CLOSELY BY GH INTAKE THAT GOES HAND IN HAND,,
people here and on many other board think oh we take anadrol and dbo few tablet and become monster,,yes you sure will become monster,,youll be come monster of BLOOFINESS,, you will have skin down under your tummy and midsection that youll be able to pinch and feel the disgusting water and fat under and wont see any visible anything btu one (big) bulk of mess,,UNLESS YOU ARE ON GROWTH HORMONE,,AND ENOUGH GROWTH HORMONE ,,
ye at 22 you may see omthign out of them but thats ONLY BECAUSE YOUR NATURAL GH IS AT PEAK ,,try it at over 28 and you will see how from good body you become disgusting body in a matter of weeks,,
NO GH = NO BODYBUILDDER
NO GH = NO BODYBUILDER
NO GH = NO BODYBUILDER
NO GH = NO BODYBUILDER
WE ARE ADDICTED TO GH ,,WE CHAE IT LIKE GOLD IN A MINE ,,A FELLA LIKE LIAR PRIEST I SWIMMMMMMMMMMMMING IN GH ABOVE HIS 5'4 HEAD,,
THE LIES TO YOU ARE SO BIG AND I HOPE YOU CAN FIGURE IT OUT SINCE I TRY MY BEST TO HELP YOU FIGURING IT OUT ,,
gh15 approved
I don't think many here will disagree with you. HGH in high doses, say 6iu+/day can make a big difference. And I think you've convinced many, myself included, to seriously consider adding HGH at some level especially if you are over 40 years old. But I think many are wondering about this: you have been on this board for five years now. In fact, judging by your post history, this is your five year anniversary (congrats btw). But why are you telling us all this now? The magic that is legit gh? Why wasn't it championed five years ago? The whole theme with gh15, god of hormones, is now gh. It wasn't before. At various points it was just steroids in general. It was dianabola, which your described as one of the most important hormonas in a bodybuilders arsenal. There was the importance of hg testosterona and you gave us a very specific chart at what we can expect at a given dose. The "liquid gold" that is legit trenbolona. A big reason why Jason is still O. There was a lot of talk about equipona and legit paste was the holy grail of bodybuilders.
What's the dealio-oh?
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I eat 30-40 g (each meal)
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I don't think many here will disagree with you. HGH in high doses, say 6iu+/day can make a big difference. And I think you've convinced many, myself included, to seriously consider adding HGH at some level especially if you are over 40 years old. But I think many are wondering about this: you have been on this board for five years now. In fact, judging by your post history, this is your five year anniversary (congrats btw). But why are you telling us all this now? The magic that is legit gh? Why wasn't it championed five years ago? The whole theme with gh15, god of hormones, is now gh. It wasn't before. At various points it was just steroids in general. It was dianabola, which your described as one of the most important hormonas in a bodybuilders arsenal. There was the importance of hg testosterona and you gave us a very specific chart at what we can expect at a given dose. The "liquid gold" that is legit trenbolona. A big reason why Jason is still O. There was a lot of talk about equipona and legit paste was the holy grail of bodybuilders.
What's the dealio-oh?
its not 6 iu its 5 iu but,,gh15 the name,,,read the name,,the name says gh15,,but you had to build it up,,you start with basic approach then build up into the more advanced approach ,,if you come and sayfrom get go ,,look it is all gh you take 15 iu then go fuck yoursel fup with steroid,,everyone wouldl sit and say eh this fella with one posting say use 500 iu gh and be bodybuilder,,not so ,,you have to start with basic and then build it up to the more interesting infrormation inorder to at the end build a picture of what bodybuilding truly is ,,
the name was always there
growth hormone 1 5
gh15 approved
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Honestly? Well, I just got "distracted" with other things in life ie. females, so I stopped regular and consistant training, and then of course ALL my gains went down the drain. Yeah, I trained very occasionaly, but NEVER enough to make any worthwhile progress.
That's my whole point when I have this type of discussion. Those correctly point out to me that I haven't progressed much at all in the last twenty years. In fact, despite my testoterona levels being higher now than it was in my early thirties, I was bigger and looked better when I was younger. What a surprise. Then I'm told at the great progress made using progressive over load. But there is always one catch. A big one. It never continues. Progress always stops within a few months. There's always some reason why they had to stop training. But they are sure if they have they would me monsters. Even more telling, most lecturing me on the magic of progressive over load rarely look good or in shape. In fact, I have never met one.
True, I have not progressed quantitatively or qualitatively in the last 20 years. But more often than not, I am in far better shape and have better body composition than my lecturer.
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its not 6 iu its 5 iu but,,gh15 the name,,,read the name,,the name says gh15,,but you had to build it up,,you start with basic approach then build up into the more advanced approach ,,if you come and sayfrom get go ,,look it is all gh you take 15 iu then go fuck yoursel fup with steroid,,everyone wouldl sit and say eh this fella with one posting say use 500 iu gh and be bodybuilder,,not so ,,you have to start with basic and then build it up to the more interesting infrormation inorder to at the end build a picture of what bodybuilding truly is ,,
the name was always there
growth hormone 1 5
gh15 approved
LOL! Right when I posted my message I just then remembered what gh15 meant. It was there since the beginning.
I never claimed to be a genius like suckymuscle.
Carry on.
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I'm a quite lean 200 lbs and I eat 100 g...
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dear god of hormones
if i could only afford either steroids or gh which should i take?
if i could only get access to one oral steroid what should it be - dbol or adrol or ?
if i could only get access to one injectable what should it be - test or tren or ?
if i only had access one fat burner what should it be ? eca, clen, t3 , dnp or ?
if you were a fat fuck and had to diet what would it look like and what would the simplest cycle be ?
if you were a skinny fuck and wanted a simple cycle with the most bang for the buck what would it be ?
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dear god of hormones
if i could only afford either steroids or gh which should i take?
if i could only get access to one oral steroid what should it be - dbol or adrol or ?
if i could only get access to one injectable what should it be - test or tren or ?
if i only had access one fat burner what should it be ? eca, clen, t3 , dnp or ?
if you were a fat fuck and had to diet what would it look like and what would the simplest cycle be ?
if you were a skinny fuck and wanted a simple cycle with the most bang for the buck what would it be ?
This is the ONLY thing you should be thinking about right now.
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Shit man! I NEVER claimed that I would be a huge and massive guy, and FYI, I don't want to be ;) I'm sticking with what God said is the ceiling for a natural trainer of my height of 5'11" which is 165-170 5-6% P.S. Take a look at my message board thread "Challange to flintstones1" if the tough guy is game, then you will see what hard and consistant training can do 8)
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Shit man! I NEVER claimed that I would be a huge and massive guy, and FYI, I don't want to be ;) I'm sticking with what God said is the ceiling for a natural trainer of my height of 5'11" which is 165-170 5-6% P.S. Take a look at my message board thread "Challange to flintstones1" if the tough guy is game, then you will see what hard and consistant training can do 8)
It's the claim that without drugs, or at a given dose of anabolics (stop increasing the dose), that you can progress indefinitely using progressive overload. That you can keep adding reps and weight slowly but surely. We don't disagree much in basic principles. I still walk around with my little notebook and keep track of where I am at. I do this because I don't trust my feelings. I think your body will do everything it can to make you think you are working hard and pushing yourself when you're not. I believe it's kind of a survival thing because your body will do everything it can to avoid pain. By keeping track I won't fool myself. If last week I did 8 reps on a given exercise using a given weight I better damn well do 8 this time though I strive for 9. It gives me an objective goal to shoot for. At this point it doesn't vary much. Sometimes I may get the 9th or even 10th rep. Sometimes I'll get 7. But if I am consistently going down. Getting weaker then I know something is terribly wrong.
I get into discussions like this often and as I said it is rightfully pointed out that I have not progress much at all over the years. But I'd like to know how much you have progressed in the last two years if you have been training hard and consistently for the last twenty. With no exceptions thus far, the person I am debating with is not in very good shape and has not trained consistently. There's always some excuse why. That's one of the few things I like about bodybuilding. The proof is in the pudding. People can claim over the net how tough they are and how they will kick everyone's ass. But they never have to prove it. With bodybuilding you can see it with your own eyes. You can simply post a pic.
True I have not progress in over 20 years. My weight has pretty much been the same since I was 25 years old. But even at 25 I had 13 years of consistent serious weight training under my belt. I'm 50 years old now. A bit past my prime I would think. I stay the same because I never let myself get out of shape. So I can just get up at any time and take a pic just like I just now did a few minutes ago and look the same. So this is me. My everyday walk around condition at 50 years of age. Don't get my tone wrong because I like you. You're a thinking person and we agree on most of the basic principles. But what kind of shape are you in? And are you willing to prove it? My guess is that you are not in that great of shape and won't post a pic. What is your excuse? I already know. It's the same list of the same excuses I hear time and time again. Sure, I don't progress and I'm sure you'll make great progress in the next few months. But will you keep it up and what will be the end result in six months.
Here I am at 50 years old without any preparation, pumping up or oiling up. No snapping countless shots trying to get that right position or shot. I should have clean my mirror though. LOL! But I just got up and snapped a couple of pics. I weighed in at 189 lbs this morning which is heavy for me. I've been sick for the last two days and tend to gain a few pounds. No doubt water retention. I eagerly await your offering or your excuse. We can talk about training methodology until the cows come home but the proof is in the pudding. Show what progressive overload has done for you.
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any hormones pellius, or natural?
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Well man, I will be showing what is possible if my challange is accepted. BTW, it won't be only about what progressive overload can do, it will be about the "total package" gaining muscle, while losing bodyfat and greatly improving my appearance. FYI, I was messing around with calorie restriction combined with double bouts of Anaerobic Threshold training on the stationary bike, and I lost over 2 inches off of my waist in less than a week.
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any hormones pellius, or natural?
I've been on HRT for the last ten years continuously. 200mg/wk watson/upjohn cyp. I am 6'1.5" as measured a month ago and generally weigh 183-186 first thing in the morning. As it has been for over 20 years. I plan on going on 2.5 iu gh in a couple of weeks and continue stay on that for life as well as the cyp. Wish I did gh ten years ago as well.
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It's the claim that without drugs, or at a given dose of anabolics (stop increasing the dose), that you can progress indefinitely using progressive overload. That you can keep adding reps and weight slowly but surely. We don't disagree much in basic principles. I still walk around with my little notebook and keep track of where I am at. I do this because I don't trust my feelings. I think your body will do everything it can to make you think you are working hard and pushing yourself when you're not. I believe it's kind of a survival thing because your body will do everything it can to avoid pain. By keeping track I won't fool myself. If last week I did 8 reps on a given exercise using a given weight I better damn well do 8 this time though I strive for 9. It gives me an objective goal to shoot for. At this point it doesn't vary much. Sometimes I may get the 9th or even 10th rep. Sometimes I'll get 7. But if I am consistently going down. Getting weaker then I know something is terribly wrong.
I get into discussions like this often and as I said it is rightfully pointed out that I have not progress much at all over the years. But I'd like to know how much you have progressed in the last two years if you have been training hard and consistently for the last twenty. With no exceptions thus far, the person I am debating with is not in very good shape and has not trained consistently. There's always some excuse why. That's one of the few things I like about bodybuilding. The proof is in the pudding. People can claim over the net how tough they are and how they will kick everyone's ass. But they never have to prove it. With bodybuilding you can see it with your own eyes. You can simply post a pic.
I have not progress in over 20 years. My weight has pretty much been the same since I was 25 years old. But even at 25 I had 13 years of consistent serious weight training under my belt. I'm 50 years old now. A bit past my prime I would think. I stay the same because I never let myself get out of shape. So I can just get up at any time and take a pic just like I just now did a few minutes ago and look the same. So this is me. My everyday walk around condition at 50 years of age. Don't get my tone wrong because I like you. You're a thinking person and we agree on most of the basic principles. But what kind of shape are you in? And are you willing to prove it? My guess is that you are not in that great of shape and won't post a pic. What is your excuse? I already know. It's the same list of the same excuses I hear time and time again. Sure, I don't progress and I'm sure you'll make great progress in the next few months. But will you keep it up and what will be the end result in six months.
Here I am at 50 years old without any preparation, pumping up or oiling up. No snapping countless shots trying to get that right position or shot. I should have clean my mirror though. LOL! But I just got up and snapped a couple of pics. I weighed in at 189 lbs this morning which is heavy for me. I've been sick for the last two days and tend to gain a few pounds. No doubt water retention. I eagerly await your offering or your excuse. We can talk about training methodology until the cows come home but the proof is in the pudding. Show what progressive overload has done for you.
if you were not using progressive overload in 20 years or adding calories - why did you expect a change ???
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Well man, I will be showing what is possible if my challange is accepted. BTW, it won't be only about what progressive overload can do, it will be about the "total package" gaining muscle, while losing bodyfat and greatly improving my appearance. FYI, I was messing around with calorie restriction combined with double bouts of Anaerobic Threshold training on the stationary bike, and I lost over 2 inches off of my waist in less than a week.
OK, so you are not in shape now. I'm shocked. And what do you mean "only if my challenge is accepted"? Just do it and stick with it for life. You lost 2 inches off your waist? OK Lets see it. It's one thing to lose 2 inches on a waist spilling over with fat. Try doing it if you have a hint of abs showing.
Since you are out of shape now I'm sure you're make great progress. Especially if you've been in shape before. Then progress will slow down considerably and eventually stop and you will look the same for years and decades unless you decide to quit again.
Again, do get take my tone wrong. I've been through this so many times. Lets see how long you will keep progressing. The only ones I see progress quickly are the ones who don't train consistently and are coming off a lay off just like you are now.
Now lets see the trim down waist.
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if you were not using progressive overload in 20 years or adding calories - why did you expect a change ???
In my training, as mentioned numerous times and just like I did on this thread, I keep track of my reps and weights and always try to increase both in addition to intensity variable. This year after a rib injury when I couldn't roll on the mats I decided to go on a bulking program. I did gain weight. By the time I got up to 200lbs I was definitely getting fat and strength was not going up.
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I don't look like shit now, I just look rather average, but... If you compare how I look now to how I looked when I was at my all-time best, then yeah, I look like shit ;D BTW, I haven't trained hard and consistantly in over 7 years. Also, as far as a pic being "the proof in the pudding" that isn't necessarily true with regards to being outstandingly fit. My level of fitness has improved greatly since I started hard and regular training on my stationary bike, but I don't look much different though (basically coz I kept my calories up, and didn't cut them). Lastly, I'm still learning and "remembering" what I really did in the past, when I looked pretty good.
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Ok man, so are you saying that I should do a before and after contest with only myself? That's rather vain, ain't it ;D Plus, I need a challange/competition to really motivate me and fuel my fire, but maybe if you start saying what a bloated toad that I am it may be even to fuel my fire LOL! My waist is 32 and a half inches now, and just last year it was 38 inches. When I was sub-6 it was 29 and a quarter. And speaking of uploading pics I can't do that now, since my internet connect is through my mobile, but I can do it through my friends pc once he gets back from his holiday.
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yawn.
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/proprejudice.htm
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I don't look like shit now, I just look rather average, but... If you compare how I look now to how I looked when I was at my all-time best, then yeah, I look like shit ;D BTW, I haven't trained hard and consistantly in over 7 years. Also, as far as a pic being "the proof in the pudding" that isn't necessarily true with regards to being outstandingly fit. My level of fitness has improved greatly since I started hard and regular training on my stationary bike, but I don't look much different though (basically coz I kept my calories up, and didn't cut them). Lastly, I'm still learning and "remembering" what I really did in the past, when I looked pretty good.
I wholeheartedly agree with regard to fitness but we, rather you, were talking bodybuilding. You were the one that asked if I have progressed. Have I gotten stronger and more muscular? Not if I am fit. That's what I mean and what I thought you meant when I say proof is in the pudding. It's far, far easier to gauge a person's muscular development than their fitness level. At least over the net. And when you say you look average. Average by what standard? An average bodybuilder? Just an average guy on the street? If you take a pic right now in the very same position as I did would the average person, or even the trained eye of a GetBigger, conclude that you look like someone who works out with weights or have ever worked out with weights?
Step up. It's just a click away. I always here about how great someone use to look and how great they will look but there's always some excuse why they're out of shape today.
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Ok man, so are you saying that I should do a before and after contest with only myself? That's rather vain, ain't it ;D Plus, I need a challange/competition to really motivate me and fuel my fire, but maybe if you start saying what a bloated toad that I am it may be even to fuel my fire LOL! My waist is 32 and a half inches now, and just last year it was 38 inches. When I was sub-6 it was 29 and a quarter. And speaking of uploading pics I can't do that now, since my internet connect is through my mobile, but I can do it through my friends pc once he gets back from his holiday.
Are you a competitive athlete? When you look in the mirror and want to build and develop a better body isn't that vain. Isn't bodybuilding in it's purest form vain since it has nothing to do with functional ability or as Chick rightfully said, "It isn't how much you lift but how much you look like you can lift." And what's wrong with that? Anything can be taken too far but everyone wants to look better than they do. A fit body looks better than an out of shape body. The difference is that some actually do something about it.
I use to believe with all my heart what you and Fat believe about progressive over load and still follow the basic principles. It just made so much sense. Just constantly strive for progression. One more rep, five pounds more weight. Slowly but surely progress is inevitable. The difference between you, Fat and me is that I never quit. I never gave up. I just keep going year after year, decade after decade. It's only after practicing what I preached that I realized it wasn't that simple. And you would realize it to if you stuck with it. If it wasn't necessary to have some outside force to motivate you and challenge you. If you simply had just raw discipline. Even when I was putting myself through school working full time seven days a week I always made myself train. Only three days a week of an hour at most. Three hours a week out of my life.
I don't want to call you fat and insult you to motivate you but I want you to consider what kind of person you want to be in life. There's more than just vanity to getting up and heading to the gym year after year. You get something other than just fitness by putting yourself through this until the day you die. Don't think that indulging your body and living a soft and complacent life only effects your appearance. I was taught from an early age the saying, "Indulge the body, corrupt the soul."
We live in a very self-indulgent and complacent society. The concept of sucking it up seems to be fading or lost all together. You already know that it is much better to be fit and strong but do you have the guts, the discipline, the grim determination to just get up and do it no matter how you feel? Are you going to be guided in life by how you feel or by what you know is the right thing to do?
I don't care what size your waist is. I don't care what your measurements are. Few are honest about it. Lets just see it. Then we'll know what your body composition is.
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Well, you can find my all-time best look right on getbig, the thread is entitled "Me at my peak" and there is a recent pic of my left arm here also, but that one would be harder to find since I don't remember it's exact title, but I know that it had the word creatine in the title. And I look average, like the average non-obese fella, I would say that my bf is in the mid-teens.
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I heard so many times 1-2 grams per pound of LBM, which i follow... but i was wondering is we really need that much..
Bottom line is that everyone has different requirements when it comes to protein intake...some require more, some less...It takes a good amount of time to figure out whether you respond and build better with more or not.
People are always debating this, when in fact, much like training...there is no magic number or any one system that will be tried and true for everyone.
The only thing that matters in BB, is what the end result looks like...how anyone achieves it and with what methodology, is irrelevant
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In my training, as mentioned numerous times and just like I did on this thread, I keep track of my reps and weights and always try to increase both in addition to intensity variable. This year after a rib injury when I couldn't roll on the mats I decided to go on a bulking program. I did gain weight. By the time I got up to 200lbs I was definitely getting fat and strength was not going up.
how long were you bulking for ?
how much strength did you gain above your normal lifts ?
did ur injury limit your gains ?
strength comes from the core. any heavy lift involves tensing the midsection, i imagine a rib injury would have caused pain during this.
what did ur workouts look like ? sets reps exercises ? split ? etc
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Bottom line is that everyone has different requirements when it comes to protein intake...some require more, some less...It takes a good amount of time to figure out whether you respond and build better with more or not.
People are always debating this, when in fact, much like training...there is no magic number or any one system that will be tried and true for everyone.
The only thing that matters in BB, is what the end result looks like...how anyone achieves it and with what methodology, is irrelevant
no chick.
study after study has came to a conclusion - its 1g per pound.
genetics aren't involved, no tinkering is needed, everyone isn't unique or special.
unless we are talking about steroid users where the amount used can effect protein requirements.
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great posts pellius and chick.
i'm pretty sure no one is disagreeing here... everyone knows you have to push yourself to force your body to change. pellius is just saying that, realistically, this only goes on for so long before your body's adaptive mechanisms are fully exploited, and no more significant progress is possible.
one thing I would like to ask you, pellius, is how your workouts have felt in the past couple decades as compared to when you were still making steady progress. do they feel the same, same pump and soreness, or whatever, it's just that you don't grow?
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how long were you bulking for ?
how much strength did you gain above your normal lifts ?
did ur injury limit your gains ?
strength comes from the core. any heavy lift involves tensing the midsection, i imagine a rib injury would have caused pain during this.
what did ur workouts look like ? sets reps exercises ? split ? etc
This is very involved. Maybe later. Rib injury only effected over head pulling movements esp. negative portion. And that was for only the first 6 weeks.
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no chick.
study after study has came to a conclusion - its 1g per pound.
genetics aren't involved, no tinkering is needed, everyone isn't unique or special.
unless we are talking about steroid users where the amount used can effect protein requirements.
Ok....you would know ::)
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Ok....you would know ::)
you've seen his pic, right Bob?
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Ok....you would know ::)
yes i do.
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Ok....you would know ::)
lol all that needs to be said.
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since I started hard and regular training on my stationary bike, but I don't look much different though (basically coz I kept my calories up, and didn't cut them).
So diet is more important than hard training , I see ;D
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great posts pellius and chick.
i'm pretty sure no one is disagreeing here... everyone knows you have to push yourself to force your body to change. pellius is just saying that, realistically, this only goes on for so long before your body's adaptive mechanisms are fully exploited, and no more significant progress is possible.
one thing I would like to ask you, pellius, is how your workouts have felt in the past couple decades as compared to when you were still making steady progress. do they feel the same, same pump and soreness, or whatever, it's just that you don't grow?
As I'm still sick I'm too lazy to cook so I'm heading to the lunch wagon down the street so I have to be brief as I'm starting to go catabolic.
Progress has never been steady. Always comes in burst with agonizingly long levels of stagnation.
When it comes to your body, it sucks getting old. It really does. Things don't work and respond the way they use to. I first started feeling it at 38 yrs old. But I could still keep up with my training and competing in Jiu-Jitsu/MMA. Things started to go down hill really fast when I turned 46 years old.
When people say that age is all in the mind it just tells me that they've never taken their body to the limit. My mind still wants to go. Still wants to train and fight. I still have that fire in my belly. It's the body that doesn't keep up.
Only fine dining in the islands.
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As I'm still sick I'm too lazy to cook so I'm heading to the lunch wagon down the street so I have to be brief as I'm starting to go catabolic.
Progress has never been steady. Always comes in burst with agonizingly long levels of stagnation.
When it comes to your body, it sucks getting old. It really does. Things don't work and respond the way they use to. I first started feeling it at 38 yrs old. But I could still keep up with my training and competing in Jiu-Jitsu/MMA. Things started to go down hill really fast when I turned 46 years old.
When people say that age is all in the mind it just tells me that they've never taken their body to the limit. My mind still wants to go. Still wants to train and fight. I still have that fire in my belly. It's the body that doesn't keep up.
Only fine dining in the islands.
i feel as i get older i still have the ability and strength but i enjoy not bothering with workout and find myself working more and doing shit around the house but working out alot less if at all
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BTW, don't get me wrong. I'm very grateful that I have my health and at 50 years old I'm still ahead of the game. And I don't forget that all this training and talking about our bodies is a luxury that only wealthy countries like the US can even talk and care about.
Sure I'm way past my prime but things could be worse. Way worse.
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i feel as i get older i still have the ability and strength but i enjoy not bothering with workout and find myself working more and doing shit around the house but working out alot less if at all
Physically, you are the most gifted white boy I've ever seen.
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wow, great arms!
seriously I could see that being a pic of a guy in his early twenties...
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Physically, you are the most gifted white boy I've ever seen.
as in special ?
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Yeah you caught me che ;D And I have a confession to make, I don't really know as much as I say and I, I basically use this board to try and "refresh my memory" as to what I really did to look like I did when I was at my peak. And even with this PROGRESSIVE OVERLOAD mantra that I pushed, it was basically for my own benefit, and completely and utterly selfish, basically these discussions jarred my memory as to what is actually required for me to get my best results 8)
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Physically, you are the most gifted white boy I've ever seen.
yes mentally i am very strong it helps me make the right choices about eating in order to stand longer hours painting
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no imo this is too much!!..
"just a pilgrim" stated before that he was consuming about 300 gms of protein every day then decreased them to 150 or so and didnt lose any muscles!!..
sure protein is what we need to build muscles but eat it in a good healthy way or you will hate your life!!.. it's not logical to force yourself to eat more and more chickens or beefs thinking you are building your muscles!!.. this right thing must be reasonable and bearable!!..
bro I could drink 3 cartons of 32oz egg beater substitute in less than 5 minutes of my day(spread out). That gives me almost 300 grams of protein and I have 23 hours and 55 minutes left in the day to do whatever the fck I want.
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dear god of hormones
if i could only afford either steroids or gh which should i take?
if i could only get access to one oral steroid what should it be - dbol or adrol or ?
if i could only get access to one injectable what should it be - test or tren or ?
if i only had access one fat burner what should it be ? eca, clen, t3 , dnp or ?
if you were a fat fuck and had to diet what would it look like and what would the simplest cycle be ?
if you were a skinny fuck and wanted a simple cycle with the most bang for the buck what would it be ?
always gh,, ALWAYS GH ,,ALWAYS GH,,always always always,,you always want gh in system so you can eat whatever you want and be lean all the time,,you do not understand fellas how important it is to be lean to be LEAN ,,if you try to take anapolon and you have 12% and you think you have single digit but in reality you are 12% ,,you will look like compete and utter bloofy shit on anadrol ,,you got to understand it fellas,,anywhere over single digit....you will look very very bad on specific drugs,,hgh is a must must must inorder to be able to take any hormone you wish and eat alot
dianabol ,,always dianabol
testosterone,,trenbonlone is very good indeed but only when you have enough gh in system to create nasty mutation
hgh
hgh ,,test,,equipoise,, tren ace masteron mainly for anti estrogenic properties,,id be careful on the test doses keep them lower than average gym rat somwhere around 400-500mg for fellas that are really fat
skinny fucks are a dependent of what kind of skinny are they ,,skinny built as in low body fat and some muscle will grow into mutation with hgh test eq and masteron ,,mutation out of this world,,he will also be able to use dianabol because he is skinny and very low body fat,,
skinny fat....they have a problem
hgh test eq and tren ace ,,no orals what so ever ,,anavar is good but girly drug at low dose,,higher dose is too costly better buy gh
gh15 approved
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Just remember that you can only digest 25-30g at a time...
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So pellius, did you get a look of my pic in my "me at my peak" thread? I'm just asking bro, so you can see that I did indeed "walk the walk" at a certain time in my life, and that I'm not just talking out of my ass.
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you've seen his pic, right Bob?
Picture? Are you kidding me, his video with Swayze was fcking awesome
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You can eat a lot of protein, but can your body utilize it? All of it? Perhaps on dope it can use a great deal of it, but in all honesty (especially when you are a natural trainer) you are going to be pooping it away because the sad reality is that your body, unassisted, is unable to make use of a lot of what you take in. Dope helps, as I am certain gh15 will tell you but what if you prefer to train like a man, i.e., sans any chemical assistance?
Then you are going to have to accept the fact that you are only going to be so big and so strong. With the passage of time, you will get bigger and stronger but those gains will be hard fought and ultimately they will diminish with time. HRT is helpful, but it is nothing compared to youth. HGH is helpful, but it is not the same as being young. Youth, as fleeting as it may be is real while the effects of dope are nothing but a facade for the ego.
One of the attributes that steroids were intended to give to the world was the benefit of better protein and caloric utilization for those that had suffered debilitating illnesses or injuries. This is what several doctors I knew years ago told me and I saw the practical benefits of AAS on a few patients of theirs including weight trainers that had suffered serious injuries. In a few instances, the results were nothing short of incredible and the patients were also weaned from the juice over a period of time. It was a treatment, not a way of life.
Protein is but one element in a diet that should be balanced to match the life it is intended to support. Food, good food, comes first. Supplements are aptly named because they are there to supplement a well balanced diet, not supplant it. I know that unlike most of you I am old and far from being as well built as any of you and that my words lack authority because of that. Consider the truth of those words and not the hideousness of the cover that contains them. Age doesn't creep up on you, it walks beside you all your life. Sometimes, if you are lucky wisdom comes along for the ride.
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Picture? Are you kidding me, his video with Swayze was fcking awesome
;D
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You can eat a lot of protein, but can your body utilize it? All of it? Perhaps on dope it can use a great deal of it, but in all honesty (especially when you are a natural trainer) you are going to be pooping it away because the sad reality is that your body, unassisted, is unable to make use of a lot of what you take in. Dope helps, as I am certain gh15 will tell you but what if you prefer to train like a man, i.e., sans any chemical assistance?
Then you are going to have to accept the fact that you are only going to be so big and so strong. With the passage of time, you will get bigger and stronger but those gains will be hard fought and ultimately they will diminish with time. HRT is helpful, but it is nothing compared to youth. HGH is helpful, but it is not the same as being young. Youth, as fleeting as it may be is real while the effects of dope are nothing but a facade for the ego.
One of the attributes that steroids were intended to give to the world was the benefit of better protein and caloric utilization for those that had suffered debilitating illnesses or injuries. This is what several doctors I knew years ago told me and I saw the practical benefits of AAS on a few patients of theirs including weight trainers that had suffered serious injuries. In a few instances, the results were nothing short of incredible and the patients were also weaned from the juice over a period of time. It was a treatment, not a way of life.
Protein is but one element in a diet that should be balanced to match the life it is intended to support. Food, good food, comes first. Supplements are aptly named because they are there to supplement a well balanced diet, not supplant it. I know that unlike most of you I am old and far from being as well built as any of you and that my words lack authority because of that. Consider the truth of those words and not the hideousness of the cover that contains them. Age doesn't creep up on you, it walks beside you all your life. Sometimes, if you are lucky wisdom comes along for the ride.
very good post!!..
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i know it sounds stupid and kinda cliche and 'hippiesque'... buuut
the more protein i ate when my body didn't want any, the worse i looked
the less protein i ate when my body didn't want any, the better i looked
sometimes you're hungry and all you can think about is beef or chicken, or eggs... and you crave that shit... that's your body telling you you need protein
sometimes you're hungry and all you can think about is rice, cake, and fruits.... guess what your body needs?
anyway... don't listen to me... i'm just blabbering
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i know it sounds stupid and kinda cliche and 'hippiesque'... buuut
the more protein i ate when my body didn't want any, the worse i looked
the less protein i ate when my body didn't want any, the better i looked
sometimes you're hungry and all you can think about is beef or chicken, or eggs... and you crave that shit... that's your body telling you you need protein
sometimes you're hungry and all you can think about is rice, cake, and fruits.... guess what your body needs?
anyway... don't listen to me... i'm just blabbering
lol same with takin anapolon when you are double digit bodyfat and not on gh ,,you will look like shit SHIT ,,you will smoothen up ,,you will lose any definition ,,your abdominal become skin folded film of water and you will be slugish ,,who wants that? no one does it with out gh ,,so yes pretty much you can look like shit if you dont know your bodybuilding,,
anadrol only with gh ,,no gh no anadrol unless very very low body fat at the 6% zone
gh15 approved
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BTW, don't get me wrong. I'm very grateful that I have my health and at 50 years old I'm still ahead of the game. And I don't forget that all this training and talking about our bodies is a luxury that only wealthy countries like the US can even talk and care about.
Sure I'm way past my prime but things could be worse. Way worse.
you always inspire me pellius!!..
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i know it sounds stupid and kinda cliche and 'hippiesque'... buuut
the more protein i ate when my body didn't want any, the worse i looked
the less protein i ate when my body didn't want any, the better i looked
sometimes you're hungry and all you can think about is beef or chicken, or eggs... and you crave that shit... that's your body telling you you need protein
sometimes you're hungry and all you can think about is rice, cake, and fruits.... guess what your body needs?
anyway... don't listen to me... i'm just blabbering
Im thinking about cakes and stuff all the time, so that means that my body needs it. ;D ;D
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wow, great arms!
seriously I could see that being a pic of a guy in his early twenties...
LOL! Thanks but pics are deceiving when there's no standard of comparison. Those "guns" cant' even stretch the tape 15.5 inches.
Maybe 15.25 or 39 cm? There was a reason I was denied membership in the highly prestigious Groink arms Don club. We all have our cross to bear in life.
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Im thinking about cakes and stuff all the time, so that means that my body needs it. ;D ;D
thinking of this
(http://www.brandweek.com/bw/photos/stylus/74786-Nutella.jpg)
makes me
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So pellius, did you get a look of my pic in my "me at my peak" thread? I'm just asking bro, so you can see that I did indeed "walk the walk" at a certain time in my life, and that I'm not just talking out of my ass.
I haven't seen the pic. Post it here so I don't have to search for it.
The point is not that you've never been in shape but how long you can stay in shape and can you or could you have continued to progress. When you've been training consistently for years and decades progress stops.
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you always inspire me pellius!!..
And Team Nasser has always been a class act in my book (and I do have a book). I like the way you guys stick together and watch each other's back. And because I didn't follow body building at the time it was you guys who made me appreciate the beautiful man with glasses.
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Can your body utilize lots of protein? Say you consume 50 grams of fat a day, 400 calories. I include fat because you need some fat to survive. You can survive without carbohydrates and there are some cultures that do. Well, at least one that I know of because I saw it on National Geographic. Now say in addition to the fat you consume 600 grams of protein a day. 2,400 calories calories in protein. Say you need just 2,000 calories a day to maintain your weight. You are consuming 2,800 calories. Will you gain weight? Will you starve to death because your body can only utilize only so much protein. If you are not utilizing all the protein where does it go? If you eat 60 grams of protein in a meal but supposedly can only utilized 30-35 grams what happens to the rest of the protein?
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3 eggs in the morning, 1 can of chili post workout, glass of milk for dinner.
225lbs with abs at 5'10
save your money and just realize with hormones, cals and protein mean very little
i dont use gh either
just tstosterona, trenbonlonga
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3 cocks a day
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i always do something. i never counted protein intake. i think the ones that always try to figure out everything exactly text book form are little bitches in general.
the less you care about doing it right the better you look lol
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BLOOFINESS
BLOOGINESS
BLOOPINESS
BLOOTINESS
BLOOKINNESS
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I will have a chicken parm pizza tonight for dinner in honor of this thread.
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Ok pellius, I see your point man. So let me tell you my "weight training history" I 1st picked up a barbell when I was 13 years old, and I trained consistantly for nearly 15 years, when I say consistantly I mean at least 3x a week, every week, year after year, and I made dismal and piss-poor progress til I hit the age of 24. So I basically had nil progress for over 10 years, then when I was 24 I met a bright guy who set me on the right path, and then I finally made some decent gains over a 2 year period of time. My plan now is to get into get shape (sub-8) and then assess my physique, and then work on sculpting it from there. For example, maintain chest size while increasing arm size. So yeah, I suppose that I am a bit vain 8)
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I will have a chicken parm pizza tonight for dinner in honor of this thread.
I'm thinking of some fried chicken for dinner......mmmmmmm, mmmmmmmm...... ;D
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kyomu was taking 800grms of protein ???
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LOL! Thanks but pics are deceiving when there's no standard of comparison. Those "guns" cant' even stretch the tape 15.5 inches.
Maybe 15.25 or 39 cm? There was a reason I was denied membership in the highly prestigious Groink arms Don club. We all have our cross to bear in life.
you will be pleased to know the COUNCIL OF POWER is opening the books shortly to review applications for new memberships
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I'm thinking of some fried chicken for dinner......mmmmmmm, mmmmmmmm...... ;D
nom,nom,nom....thats not Wiggs ;D
you will be pleased to know the COUNCIL OF POWER is opening the books shortly to review applications for new memberships
Sweet,I might have to apply 8)
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what would happen if someone did something like 100 IU of GH per day :D ??
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(http://shechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/weird-fashion-12.jpg?w=500&h=374)
BBING MAN TO THE RESQUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Can your body utilize lots of protein? Say you consume 50 grams of fat a day, 400 calories. I include fat because you need some fat to survive. You can survive without carbohydrates and there are some cultures that do. Well, at least one that I know of because I saw it on National Geographic. Now say in addition to the fat you consume 600 grams of protein a day. 2,400 calories calories in protein. Say you need just 2,000 calories a day to maintain your weight. You are consuming 2,800 calories. Will you gain weight? Will you starve to death because your body can only utilize only so much protein. If you are not utilizing all the protein where does it go? If you eat 60 grams of protein in a meal but supposedly can only utilized 30-35 grams what happens to the rest of the protein?
your body converts the excess protein to glycogen via gluconeogenesis.
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Ok pellius, I see your point man. So let me tell you my "weight training history" I 1st picked up a barbell when I was 13 years old, and I trained consistantly for nearly 15 years, when I say consistantly I mean at least 3x a week, every week, year after year, and I made dismal and piss-poor progress til I hit the age of 24. So I basically had nil progress for over 10 years, then when I was 24 I met a bright guy who set me on the right path, and then I finally made some decent gains over a 2 year period of time. My plan now is to get into get shape (sub-8) and then assess my physique, and then work on sculpting it from there. For example, maintain chest size while increasing arm size. So yeah, I suppose that I am a bit vain 8)
What changes did you make to your routine?
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Someone should ask this Mass Monster ?
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thats pelius
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depends on hormone levels, size, how much you train.
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Well, before that change I basically used a whole body routine 3x a week, old-school HIT style, then this fella had me train on a 3-way split as follows: Push/Pull/Legs/off repeat cycle. Also I did 1 heavy compound exercise for each day Push-DB Inclines Pull-Wide grip Pulldowns Legs-Leg Press for 4 work sets of 6 reps per set. Later, I got even better results when I started training everything every 6 days.
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thats pelius
Why would you even say that? That's a guy from the Ironage site who is in his sixties. We don't even look related. BTW, have you ever posted a pic?
I wear MMA shirts. Don't fuk with me.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=359994.0;attach=395434;image)
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your body converts the excess protein to glycogen via gluconeogenesis.
Exactly. Or turn to fat. That's why I don't understand when people say your body can't use excess protein. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the point made but it seems to me your body is going to utilize in some way all maco nutrients.
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Ok pellius, I see your point man. So let me tell you my "weight training history" I 1st picked up a barbell when I was 13 years old, and I trained consistantly for nearly 15 years, when I say consistantly I mean at least 3x a week, every week, year after year, and I made dismal and piss-poor progress til I hit the age of 24. So I basically had nil progress for over 10 years, then when I was 24 I met a bright guy who set me on the right path, and then I finally made some decent gains over a 2 year period of time. My plan now is to get into get shape (sub-8) and then assess my physique, and then work on sculpting it from there. For example, maintain chest size while increasing arm size. So yeah, I suppose that I am a bit vain 8)
Sounds like a lot of guys who weight train. And we're all a bit vain. At least I hope so. Otherwise we'd all look like homeless people smelling like urine.
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kyomu was taking 800grms of protein ???
800 grams of protein a day is the minimun for a natural like kyomu! ;D
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"Sounds like alot of guys who weight train" Are you serious when you say this pellius? Actually, I think that it is a very great minority who say that man. Most guys just lift weights to get bigger and stronger, and they don't really try to create "a work of art" through thier training, like I plan on doing ;D
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Why would you even say that? That's a guy from the Ironage site who is in his sixties. We don't even look related. BTW, have you ever posted a pic?
I wear MMA shirts. Don't fuk with me.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=359994.0;attach=395434;image)
True, Pelius makes this guy look like hell. Pelius seems like a cool dude, this IronAge guy is a shit talker, believe it or not.
If I looked like that, I wouldn't be cutting down everyone else. Plus he's a pole smoker, who is infatuated with Steve Reeves, mentions his name in every thread. (Then cracks one off to Gladiator movies).
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"Sounds like alot of guys who weight train" Are you serious when you say this pellius? Actually, I think that it is a very great minority who say that man. Most guys just lift weights to get bigger and stronger, and they don't really try to create "a work of art" through thier training, like I plan on doing ;D
I must have quoted the wrong post or misread what you wrote. I was referring to the part where you said that you were training for so many years with little or no results. I was like that when I was doing the six day a week two hour/ day Arnold type work outs.
And everyone here are works of art. All in our own special way.
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True, Pelius makes this guy look like hell. Pelius seems like a cool dude, this IronAge guy is a shit talker, believe it or not.
If I looked like that, I wouldn't be cutting down everyone else. Plus he's a pole smoker, who is infatuated with Steve Reeves, mentions his name in every thread. (Then cracks one off to Gladiator movies).
Work of art. All the way work of art. But in all fairness to Tito, this is probably me 9 months off the HRT, training and muscle milk.
BTW, I thought it was only women who color their hair orange when they get old.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=360580.0;attach=395799;image)
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As you see, I didn't make hardly any progress training with the Jones/Darden 3x a week whole body protocol, and training each muscle group twice a week gave me some gains, but once I switched to training each muscle group roughly once a week (every 6 to 8 days) then the gains were MUCH better. So I'm curious pellius, what training schedule and protocol gave you your best results? Also I would like your opinion on a quote from Darden's most recent book, so here is the quote, "For muscular growth, you need heavy resistance. Then, you can improve the growth process by extending your sets."
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get in touch with your body and eat as much as you feel you need. satiety is a natural thing in healthy people. carb intake dependend of course. the more carbs, the less protein you need.
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Work of art. All the way work of art. But in all fairness to Tito, this is probably me 9 months off the HRT, training and muscle milk.
BTW, I thought it was only women who color their hair orange when they get old.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=360580.0;attach=395799;image)
you really use muscle milk ?
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As you see, I didn't make hardly any progress training with the Jones/Darden 3x a week whole body protocol, and training each muscle group twice a week gave me some gains, but once I switched to training each muscle group roughly once a week (every 6 to 8 days) then the gains were MUCH better. So I'm curious pellius, what training schedule and protocol gave you your best results? Also I would like your opinion on a quote from Darden's most recent book, so here is the quote, "For muscular growth, you need heavy resistance. Then, you can improve the growth process by extending your sets."
For any given number of reps, say between 6-20, after warming up and beginning your work sets you should always use as heavy a weight/resistance possible that you can handle with good form. You should continue to move this weight until you can't move it any longer. I'm not sure what you mean by extending your sets. Do you mean intensity variables after positive failure is reached? Force reps, drop sets, partials, negatives.... Sure. I agree with that. If by extended sets you mean adding more sets then that begs the question how many more sets. Two? Four? Twelve? Sixty? Like Arnold claimed he use to do for squats up in the mountains of Austria?
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you really use muscle milk ?
They had a bunch sale at the Vitamin Shopped on Muscle Milk for around $16 a tub around six months ago. It was about to expire in 3 months. I picked up a bunch. Tasty stuff. I'd buy it regularly for that price. But not worth it to me at regular price.
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They had a bunch sale at the Vitamin Shopped on Muscle Milk for around $16 a tub around six months ago. It was about to expire in 3 months. I picked up a bunch. Tasty stuff. I'd buy it regularly for that price. But not worth it to me at regular price.
dude, why are you chiming in about how to train and what not? your about 160lbs right?
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They had a bunch sale at the Vitamin Shopped on Muscle Milk for around $16 a tub around six months ago. It was about to expire in 3 months. I picked up a bunch. Tasty stuff. I'd buy it regularly for that price. But not worth it to me at regular price.
you know theres no protien in muscle milk right ? its just fat and lead
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dude, why are you chiming in about how to train and what not? your about 160lbs right?
STFU dick. I'd beat your ass even with the fake cock you stuff in your thong.
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you know theres no protien in muscle milk right ? its just fat and lead
If you can prove that you'll have a sweet class action law suit going.
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If you can prove that you'll have a sweet class action law suit going.
i think there already is google muscle milk lead
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i think there already is google muscle milk lead
You said zero protein. Only fat and lead.
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Yeah man, when I said "extending the set" I meant doing breakdowns, negatives, forced reps, etc... I'm still not convinced about the "real value" of set extenders, but I am convinced about using HEAVY RESISTANCE. I base this idea of mine on my experience with the leg press, 6 and a half pounds gain of muscle in 5 weeks on this belief. My leg press protocol relied entirely on progressive overload and heavy resistance, and I didn't use any "set extenders". I actually had a phone consultation with Mike Mentzer shortly before he passed, and he told me that set extenders were not necessary, and were even counter-productive.
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Someone should ask this Mass Monster ?
Not without a fire suit on :-\
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Yeah man, when I said "extending the set" I meant doing breakdowns, negatives, forced reps, etc... I'm still not convinced about the "real value" of set extenders, but I am convinced about using HEAVY RESISTANCE. I base this idea of mine on my experience with the leg press, 6 and a half pounds gain of muscle in 5 weeks on this belief. My leg press protocol relied entirely on progressive overload and heavy resistance, and I didn't use any "set extenders". I actually had a phone consultation with Mike Mentzer shortly before he passed, and he told me that set extenders were not necessary, and were even counter-productive.
You mention a couple of things that Mentzer said. He got the most progress with Rest Pause. "Set extenders" a term I've never heard him use, is counter productive. As I mentioned before, I was a big fan of Mentzer and he and Jones were most influential in my thinking. I've never heard these things. I use to see him regularly in the late 1980s-early 90s at Golds in Venice where I was introduced to him by Don Ross. He live about two miles from where I did in Redondo Beach, CA. It was Mentzer that actually spelled it out to me explaining force reps and then when that can no longer be done to continue with negatives. Of course, intensity variables, as well as weight training in general, can be counter productive if abused. Maybe that is what he meant.
The whole point of even lifting weights is to put the body under an over load. A stress that it is not accustom to with the idea of stimulating an adaptive response. As long as you are doing things that are already easy how will it stimulate that response? Of course, as I mentioned before, unless one goes on a gh15 mutation cycle, you pretty much adapt to any training protocol and progress stops. In fact, progress will stop even under the gh15, or anybody elses, protocol.
I use these intensity variables not because I think I'm going to get bigger muscles. I use them because it forces you to train harder. It is my belief that training hard puts you in better shape and toughens you up. When I do a workout just going to positive failure, doing rep after rep until I can't possibly complete another one, is nothing for me. I don't work up a sweat. I don't breath hard. It's like a vacation for me. In fact, when I'm feeling worn down and need a break I'll take a week where I just go to positive failure. And even then I feel a bit guilty because I don't feel like I'm even working out and start getting that fire going again where I want to torture myself. That's why it's no surprise to me that the vast majority of the people you see in the gym never looked like they have ever picked up a weight in their life. They spend day after day, week after week, year after year, in the gym going through the motions but don't look any different than the average skinny fat slob you see on the street. When I get to the gym I spend a few minutes on the bike to warm up and watch how people train. Virtually without exception, at least in my gym, no one comes even remotely close to pushing themselves. They terminate a set when they could have gotten at least another 5 or 6 reps.
As Jones said, "Below a certain threshold of intensity exercise will do little or nothing toward increasing strength and functional ability."
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You said zero protein. Only fat and lead.
im pretty sure you could eat a broom stick and get some protein
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Someone should ask this Mass Monster ?
@ 60 he looks good....who are you ::)
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Yeah man, you are right about Mentzer using set extenders during his own training career, but later on he claimed that those techniques should be used very infrequently, coz he believed that they caused too great of an inroad... And yeah, you are right about the great majority of gym goers looking exactly the same day after day, week after week, and year after year. So, yeah man, HARD WORK is the answer for natural trainers, but could it be that there is such a thing as working too hard? And speaking of this I'm gonna do a little self-experimentation with some negative-only training for my bis and the push muscles (chest/delt/tris) so we will see how it goes.
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Forced reps, negatives, rest pause etc should be used on a limited basis a increase in intensity requires more recovery especially for a natural. Recovery is key hence when the intensity is increased more time should be allowed for growth. Again depends on genetics Woody Allen a pencil neck twink wont recover as fast as say a mesomorphic muscular dude so you got to find what is right for you and apply.
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Yeah man, you are right about Mentzer using set extenders during his own training career, but later on he claimed that those techniques should be used very infrequently, coz he believed that they caused too great of an inroad... And yeah, you are right about the great majority of gym goers looking exactly the same day after day, week after week, and year after year. So, yeah man, HARD WORK is the answer for natural trainers, but could it be that there is such a thing as working too hard? And speaking of this I'm gonna do a little self-experimentation with some negative-only training for my bis and the push muscles (chest/delt/tris) so we will see how it goes.
I think Mentzer went over board of the body's need for recovery. I mean his consolidation routine called for training, what? once a week and each body part every two weeks?
And, just to be very specific, my point is not that the majority of gym goers look the same year after year though that is certainly the case. I haven't changed much, and have in fact regressed since my late twenties/early thirties. What I mean is that the majority of gym goers look like they've never worked out a day in their lives.
And of course anything can be taken to the extreme. Anything can be abused. But my experience training in public commercial gyms is that it is hardly an issue or a problem with people training too hard. LOL. Not even close.
I just did a set yesterday of negative only curls on the curling machine. I did it one arm so I could assist with my other arm. My guns are huge -- NOT! Still, it was pretty intense and I had to really push myself and make a concerted effort in controlling a weight that was double what I usually do.
I think we high jacked this thread but good discussion anyway. It sometimes happens on GetBig. So far only just a couple of tools trying to start up shit. So many other threads where you can attack Fat Panda or call me skinny.
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weI think Mentzer went over board of the body's need for recovery. I mean his consolidation routine called for training, what? once a ek and each body part every two weeks?
And, just to be very specific, my point is not that the majority of gym goers look the same year after year though that is certainly the case. I haven't changed much, and have in fact regressed since my late twenties/early thirties. What I mean is that the majority of gym goers look like they've never worked out a day in their lives.
And of course anything can be taken to the extreme. Anything can be abused. But my experience training in public commercial gyms is that it is hardly an issue or a problem with people training too hard. LOL. Not even close.
I just did a set yesterday of negative only curls on the curling machine. I did it one arm so I could assist with my other arm. My guns are huge -- NOT! Still, it was pretty intense and I had to really push myself and make a concerted effort in controlling a weight that was double what I usually do.
I think we high jacked this thread but good discussion anyway. It sometimes happens on GetBig. So far only just a couple of tools trying to start up shit. So many other threads where you can attack Fat Panda or call me skinny.
yes , metzer let the drugs do all the work , his training style would never work for some one who is not mega dosing
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yes , metzer let the drugs do all the work , his training style would never work for some one who is not mega dosing
Couldn't the same be said for Branch or Coleman? They certainly train or trained, as intense as Mentzer did but they did/do a lot more sets.
BTW, when the term "all drugs" is used I thought it was meant for those that didn't train hard but "let the drugs do the work" like Dillet, Flex and Heath. Guys like Ray, Yates, Warren and Coleman were known to have a good work ethic and didn't just loaf and let the drugs do the work.
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Couldn't the same be said for Branch or Coleman? They certainly train or trained, as intense as Mentzer did but they did/do a lot more sets.
BTW, when the term "all drugs" is used I thought it was meant for those that didn't train hard but "let the drugs do the work" like Dillet, Flex and Heath. Guys like Ray, Yates, Warren and Coleman were known to have a good work ethic and didn't just loaf and let the drugs do the work.
coleman all drugs ? are you serious ? coleman bust his ass old school style 800 pound deads ect , not to mention his superior genetics
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Not to be a dickhead pellius, but... You keep doing those negative-only curls, and you keep using greater and greater training loads on your negative-only curls, then you WILL have bigger biceps ;D So the key isn't just doing the work, but getting the results (being able to use greater and greater training loads) from that hard work. And yeah, you are right about the majority of trainees looking like they never set foot in the gym.
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Hey Reeves, do you have any experience with negative-only training? And if yes, could you please share your experiences? Thanks man.
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coleman all drugs ? are you serious ? coleman bust his ass old school style 800 pound deads ect , not to mention his superior genetics
I thought the implications was that Mentzer trained too intensely and that only through the use of drugs was he able to make any gains. I think that Coleman put much more demands on his body than Mentzer did because he trained very intensely and did far more sets and trained more often than Mentzer did.
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Not to be a dickhead pellius, but... You keep doing those negative-only curls, and you keep using greater and greater training loads on your negative-only curls, then you WILL have bigger biceps ;D So the key isn't just doing the work, but getting the results (being able to use greater and greater training loads) from that hard work. And yeah, you are right about the majority of trainees looking like they never set foot in the gym.
Here we go again. Back to square one. I tell you what, my friend, trained hard and consistently for five years. Hell, just two years. None of this seven year break because of girls or work -- as if you can't have a girl friend or work while training at the same time. And then come back to me and tell me how you are continuing to make progress.
And I don't know how old you are now but just for fun post a picture of you when you reach 50 we'll see how much your continued progress you have made.
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Not so, as I have witnessed Mike, Ray and Casey training. It was intense. Mike admitted to taking steroids, but trained HARD. I have used his method(s) with varying degrees of satisfaction for over thirty years. Most of what passes for training today and even in the sixties, seventies and beyond, is in reality nothing more than over training.
But you do have a somewhat valid point regarding drugs in bodybuilding. Without it, Mentzer would not have been as built as he was.
The same holds true for Arnold, Zane, Viator, et al. It especially holds true for the current crop of mental eunuchs like Coleman, Cutler and the poster boy for faggotry in fruit, Kai Greene. Those idiots would be puny without their dope. They're nothing without it and not worth emulating because they're just turgid bags of liquid shit. Fuck 'em.
steeve? is that you?
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Ok pellius, you got me motivated man, and I am thinking to do an arm experiment in your honor ;) I will take before and after photos of my arms and post them here, along with the measurements of them. What do you think man, is it a deal? By the way, I'm 36.
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It's interesting that you say to use them sparingly. Jones said that he got great results practicing negatives 3x a week...
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Allright man, so I will give it a go with my arm experiment ;D I plan on doing 1 set of negative only push-ups and 1 set of negative only concentration curls every 48 hours, and if I don't make progress with every 48 hours I will keep adding more rest days until I do make progress 8)
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I one trained my arms twice a day for one week and gained 3/4 of an inch
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Allright man, so I will give it a go with my arm experiment ;D I plan on doing 1 set of negative only push-ups and 1 set of negative only concentration curls every 48 hours, and if I don't make progress with every 48 hours I will keep adding more rest days until I do make progress 8)
;D
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Are you serious Master Blaster? And if yes, what were your strength gains like during that 1 week period?
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I hear ya Reeves, but remember that AJ taught to do the minimum exercise required to get the desired result. So, my plan is to keep the training VERY BRIEF, and see if I can get the desired result. I did this workout yesterday, and I did 4 negative only reps with 35 pounds, so if I can get 4 negative only reps with 70 pounds then my bis should be MUCH bigger.
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Are you serious Master Blaster? And if yes, what were your strength gains like during that 1 week period?
I was a practically a kid and my arms were like 11.5 inches ;D ;D
I just curled what must have been like maybe a 15 or 20 pound dumbell and did a bunch of elevated close grip push ups off the side of a tub. did this for 2 sets each, for about twenty reps TWICE a day for one week, followed by very intense stretching (had just read about Parillo and muscle fascia stretching) after every set. Lots of protein shakes and vanadyl sulfate ;D
I think my arms measure about 12 1/4 inches at the end of my experiment. ::)
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I was a practically a kid and my arms were like 11.5 inches ;D ;D
I just curled what must have been like maybe a 15 or 20 pound dumbell and did a bunch of elevated close grip push ups off the side of a tub. did this for 2 sets each, for about twenty reps TWICE a day for one week, followed by very intense stretching (had just read about Parillo and muscle fascia stretching) after every set. Lots of protein shakes and vanadyl sulfate ;D
I think my arms measure about 12 1/4 inches at the end of my experiment. ::)
:o so what are you going to try to get them up to 13"?
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:o so what are you going to try to get them up to 13"?
I was going to cock thrust your "mom" in a descending set
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I was a practically a kid and my arms were like 11.5 inches ;D ;D
I just curled what must have been like maybe a 15 or 20 pound dumbell and did a bunch of elevated close grip push ups off the side of a tub. did this for 2 sets each, for about twenty reps TWICE a day for one week, followed by very intense stretching (had just read about Parillo and muscle fascia stretching) after every set. Lots of protein shakes and vanadyl sulfate ;D
I think my arms measure about 12 1/4 inches at the end of my experiment. ::)
My best friend from senior school when i was about fourteen, used to curl his bed from the bottom every other day, high reps, tons of sets. He built a good peak on his arms doing that. :)
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I was going to cock thrust your "mom" in a descending set
i think you need to read up on ur bio mechanics man.
bicep curls gets you gurls !
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Allright man, so I will give it a go with my arm experiment ;D I plan on doing 1 set of negative only push-ups and 1 set of negative only concentration curls every 48 hours, and if I don't make progress with every 48 hours I will keep adding more rest days until I do make progress 8)
Negative only push ups? The whole point of doing negatives is to use a weight/resistance heavy enough that you are unable to do the positive portion at all.
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Well, I have a backpack that I put on my back when I train these push-ups, and this enables me to add up to 150 pounds upon my back for these push-ups. Also, I do 10 second negatives, not 4 or 6 second ones. I train at home with a minimal amount of equipement, so I have to be creative ;D As of now, I'm only able to use 25 pounds for there push-ups, so I have plenty of room to apply the gospel of PROGRESSIVE OVERLOAD, in this regard 8) As of now, my arms are just under 16 inches, and I'd like to break the 17 inch barrier, which wouldn't be so bad for a 160 pound NATURAL twink ;D
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True I have not progress in over 20 years. My weight has pretty much been the same since I was 25 years old. But even at 25 I had 13 years of consistent serious weight training under my belt. I'm 50 years old now. A bit past my prime I would think. I stay the same because I never let myself get out of shape. So I can just get up at any time and take a pic just like I just now did a few minutes ago and look the same. So this is me. My everyday walk around condition at 50 years of age. Don't get my tone wrong because I like you. You're a thinking person and we agree on most of the basic principles. But what kind of shape are you in? And are you willing to prove it? My guess is that you are not in that great of shape and won't post a pic. What is your excuse? I already know. It's the same list of the same excuses I hear time and time again. Sure, I don't progress and I'm sure you'll make great progress in the next few months. But will you keep it up and what will be the end result in six months.
Here I am at 50 years old without any preparation, pumping up or oiling up. No snapping countless shots trying to get that right position or shot. I should have clean my mirror though. LOL! But I just got up and snapped a couple of pics. I weighed in at 189 lbs this morning which is heavy for me. I've been sick for the last two days and tend to gain a few pounds. No doubt water retention. I eagerly await your offering or your excuse. We can talk about training methodology until the cows come home but the proof is in the pudding. Show what progressive overload has done for you.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=360580.0;attach=395711;image)
Liar! you probaby took tons of shots trying for the perfect angle, position and lighting. This is getbig afterall. Youre not fooling anybody.
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can we get back to the protein requirements discussion we had? ;D no training here. :)
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Allright meso, fair enough ma man :) I will start up a "negative only" thread, so those of us who are/were discussing training theories can do so there ;D
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Allright meso, fair enough ma man :) I will start up a "negative only" thread, so those of us who are/were discussing training theories can do so there ;D
I lowered my protein intake....300 to 220.....nothing changed so far. lol ;D
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How much do you weigh?
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I lowered my protein intake....300 to 220.....nothing changed so far. lol ;D
seems low for some one on steroids.
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im 8-10 weeks off....
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As of now, my arms are just under 16 inches, and I'd like to break the 17 inch barrier, which wouldn't be so bad for a 160 pound NATURAL twink ;D
That's hard to believe, if this was you at your "peak".
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=332391.0;attach=373136;image)
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Well, I weighed a buck 54 there in that photo, and my arms were only about 14.5 inches, but as of now I weigh bout a buck 70 and my arms are 15.75 inches, so I guess that it may be possible to have 17 inchers if I'm at God's limit: 165 to 170 at sub-6. Now my bodyfat is probably around 14 to 15% in the high 160s, so if I can "transform myself" and stay at my same weight, but lose nearly 10 percentage points of bodyfat, then yeah, I think that 17 inch arms are possible. FYI, the ONLY bodypart that I trained hard and consistantly at that time was my chest.
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looking great dj181 :)
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Thanks man, but that was "me at my peak", but now I'm just a fat and bloated toad :( But, I am finally "remembering" what I really had to do to look like that, and it was training very hard and very consistantly. I've been trying to get back into condition by following an "easier method" but it just didn't work for me, so I've finally realize that I can't take the easy way out, and that I MUST TRAIN CONSISTANTLY HARD, no ifs, ands, or buts about it...
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Thanks man, but that was "me at my peak", but now I'm just a fat and bloated toad :( But, I am finally "remembering" what I really had to do to look like that, and it was training very hard and very consistantly. I've been trying to get back into condition by following an "easier method" but it just didn't work for me, so I've finally realize that I can't take the easy way out, and that I MUST TRAIN CONSISTANTLY HARD, no ifs, ands, or buts about it...
Maybe you should use some low dose test, it will aid your training and diet. its no big deal...
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I thought about, but it just seems like quite the pain in the ass (no pun intended) with the pct among other things, plus I'm not to fond of needles lol
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I thought about, but it just seems like quite the pain in the ass (no pun intended) with the pct among other things, plus I'm not to fond of needles lol
well its your choice.. :)
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Liar! you probaby took tons of shots trying for the perfect angle, position and lighting. This is getbig afterall. Youre not fooling anybody.
Oh brother. Only on GetBig. But, OK, you're right. I did take more than one pic. When you post your pic on the internet it's pretty much there forever so I do want to portray myself in a positive light. When I took the first pic, the one I posted, I noticed that I left on the bright overhead light off to the side in the bathroom which coupled with the bathroom mirror light "washes" me out. Too much light and too bright. So I turned off the over head light and took another pic. Though the lighting was better I notice that my free arm was not hanging naturally to the side but held up like I was doing a curl or something. Looked lame. Also, I didn't tense my stomach a bit so I could give the illusion of epic leans. So now I had to reposition myself to give that oh so perfect "natural" pose. Then my battery went dead. The whole point was that if you are training consistently and stay in shape then at some point progress stops no matter what you do. But at least by training consistently you can maintain some level of conditioning. That there is no "off season." So I can at anytime snap a pic and prove that I can maintain a pretty good condition for a 50 yr old. Or any age for that matter. But when my battery died I realized that at the rate I'm going I'm going to be in front of that mirror forever angling for that perfect shot. Kind of defeated the purpose. So I just posted the first one where I didn't like the lighting and was not standing straight on but twisted somewhat to the side distracting from my incredible Tony Freeman-like shoulder width. Just make believe it was a candid shot. But, yes, your right. I did take more than one pic. You got me there.
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Now that I've been exposed, in the spirit of full disclosure, here is the rejected pic -- fag!
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Why does your belly look so bloated in all of your pics Pellius?
Looks like you've just eaten at a buffet and drank a gallon of water
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Why does your belly look so bloated in all of your pics Pellius?
Looks like you've just eaten at a buffet and drank a gallon of water
I had an umbilical hernia some years ago. At the time I didn't know what it was and just let it go. After about nine months my belly button looked like a thumb was coming out and my belly was noticeably distended. When I went to the doctor he said it looked like my guts were about to bust out. The abdominal muscles were permanently stretched out, kind of like what happens to a person that drinks a lot of beer and gets a beer belly. Sucks because I use to have a 32 inch waist. Now it's 34. But I don't obsess over it. Most people at 50, or actually most after 25 yrs nowadays, have a distended gut due to fat.
Also, I forgot to suck it in for the pic -- which is why I didn't post it. ;D
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That's hard to believe, if this was you at your "peak".
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=332391.0;attach=373136;image)
Not bad alot of guys in the world would be appreciative of looking like this this type of build gets the hoes. 8)
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Why does your belly look so bloated in all of your pics Pellius?
Looks like you've just eaten at a buffet and drank a gallon of water
Also, I always keep in mind the incredibly high standards people here at GetBig have when it comes to other people's bodies. Any weekend spent at the beach will show how out of shape most people are. Even elite athletes in top condition and fighting weight are not sporting flat wash board abs. I'd be curious to see what yours look like.
(http://www.highstakesnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/mma-chuck-liddell.jpg)
(http://www.spankmenews.com/images/pictures/707L.jpg)
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on hgh up to 60 grams protien a meal
on steroid up to 40
natural 25-30
gh15 approved
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Update...
I feel like I have lost some mass lowering my protein intake.
owned.
lmfao!! ;D
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Bump. :D
Is it rocket science or what? ;D
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I can't get over how fucking lean Pellius is