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Chargers linebacker Steve Foley was shot by an off-duty policeman in front of his suburban home Sunday, team and sheriff's department officials said.
His condition wasn't immediately known.
"We have confirmed that linebacker Steve Foley was shot early this morning," team spokesman Bill Johnston said in a statement. "We'll try to provide more information as it becomes available. Right now all of our thoughts are with Steve."
The shooting occurred after an off-duty policeman reported seeing a suspected drunken driver weaving in and out of traffic on an area highway, said sheriff's Lt. Dennis Brugos.
"My understanding is he was shot three times in front of his house by an off-duty officer and that he's in surgery," Foley's agent, David Levine, told The Associated Press.
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not on espn.com yet, but this is:
Big Ben Has Emergency Appendectomy
Ben Roethlisberger underwent emergency appendectomy on Sunday and is expected to spend the night in a Pittsburgh-area hospital. It is unknown exactly how long the Steelers QB might be out, but it is expected that he will miss Thursday's season opener against the Dolphins.
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same info on cnn.com
(CNN) -- The San Diego Chargers' Steve Foley was shot by an off-duty police officer early Sunday, a San Diego Sheriff's spokesman said.
The shooting came days after the linebacker had been cleared on charges stemming from a scuffle with police in April.
The 30-year-old, nine-year NFL veteran was taken to San Diego's Sharp Memorial Hospital.
Foley was shot at about 3:30 a.m. (6:30 a.m. ET) on a street in the upscale neighborhood where he lived.
The officer involved in the shooting was from the Coronado Police Department, an island town about 20 miles from the scene of the shooting, which took place in the town of Poway, San Diego Sheriff's Lt. Scott Rossall said.
It was not immediately clear why the Coronado officer was in Poway or why, while off duty, the officer would stop Foley's vehicle, Rossall said.
A statement from the Chargers confirmed that Foley was shot.
In a statement, the Coronado police chief confirmed one of his officers was involved in a shooting in Poway, but did not identify the officer.
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seems like we have an overzealous cop . . . what happens now?
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seems like we have an overzealous cop . . . what happens now?
hopefully the dashcam will tell the story.
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Not much on NFL.com, just a statment on the Chargers site saying the shooting was confirmed and it was Foley!
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seems like we have an overzealous cop . . . what happens now?
He'll miss the season :-\!
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seems like we have an overzealous cop . . . what happens now?
its always the cop like this guy coulnd not have brought it upon his own self...
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its always the cop like this guy coulnd not have brought it upon his own self...
dashcams are so good for eliminating the he said/she said stuff. Could be a trigger happy cop just as easil as it could have been an obnoxious drunk guy taking a swing. Hopefully the video will make it abundantly clear.
Now, if the dashcam mysteriously malfunctioned lol... then I might cry coverup :P
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if he was off-duty, he could a been driving anything. no dash cam
off-duty
three shots
way out of his own precinct
and I'm sure Foley wasn't driving a beater
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dashcams are so good for eliminating the he said/she said stuff. Could be a trigger happy cop just as easil as it could have been an obnoxious drunk guy taking a swing. Hopefully the video will make it abundantly clear.
Now, if the dashcam mysteriously malfunctioned lol... then I might cry coverup :P
240 you might have to change your avatar to V..lol
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if he was off-duty, he could a been driving anything. no dash cam
off-duty
three shots
way out of his own precinct
and I'm sure Foley wasn't driving a beater
ahh good point about the cam.
They're being very quiet about his condition even though he was shot 16 hours ago ... probably not a good sign?
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if he was off-duty, he could a been driving anything. no dash cam
off-duty
three shots
way out of his own precinct
and I'm sure Foley wasn't driving a beater
let me guess white cop..black guy weaving down the road in a BMW off duty figures he has a stole car or drug dealer, football guy is still jacked up from other incident and gets out ready to throw down cope is little guy gets scared and draws the gun and my foley keeps coming with the whole "what you gonna shoot me" attidude and bang bang bang a shooting happens...freaking sorry shit just like a bad tv movie.
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shoulda called uniforms. little guy w a napoleon complex more likely . . . following some guy on his own. and I'm sure when Foley got out, he realized it wasn't some little gangbanger, but probably an athlete. i'm not letting the cop off for this one.
oh well, Coronado PD is going to go broke over this guy's gung ho-ness. Although I'm not sure if you can argue that it was part of his job . . . so maybe not.
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shoulda called uniforms. little guy w a napoleon complex more likely . . . following some guy on his own. and I'm sure when Foley got out, he realized it wasn't some little gangbanger, but probably an athlete. i'm not letting the cop off for this one.
oh well, Coronado PD is going to go broke over this guy's gung ho-ness. Although I'm not sure if you can argue that it was part of his job . . . so maybe not.
what you think he had on his jersey and was caring a bible in one hand and a football in the other and was being peacfull when he got out...?
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hmm....haven't heard much on the news about it yet....
but the cops around here are a bunch of wanna-be cowboys
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hmm....haven't heard much on the news about it yet....
but the cops around here are a bunch of wanna-be cowboys
I thought you were in OC?
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what you think he had on his jersey and was caring a bible in one hand and a football in the other and was being peacfull when he got out...?
come on, get real here. this off-duty cop was way over the line . . .
I'm not a cop-hater like some on these boards, but this is just bs.
he shoulda just called uniforms instead of trying to handle it cowboy style.
Even if Foley had a gun, any trial lawyer worth his salt is going to have a field day with this one.
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come on, get real here. this off-duty cop was way over the line . . .
I'm not a cop-hater like some on these boards, but this is just bs.
he shoulda just called uniforms instead of trying to handle it cowboy style.
Even if Foley had a gun, any trial lawyer worth his salt is going to have a field day with this one.
I am not saying the cop was doing the right thing, some freaking cops can't jack it down after there shift and feel the need to be 24 hour cops, and I am sure this guy crossed a line but I highly doubt foley was innocent and did not help in causing the esclation and in fact get shot for being a badass.
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I thought you were in OC?
I never said that....thats what Geo said. I just went a long with it.
;D
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I am not saying the cop was doing the right thing, some freaking cops can't jack it down after there shift and feel the need to be 24 hour cops, and I am sure this guy crossed a line but I highly doubt foley was innocent and did not help in causing the esclation and in fact get shot for being a badass.
oh, i'm not saying that foley is an innocent . . . after all, for some reason, he attracts attention from cops. but he was cleared off charges the first time.
and now this cop has gone and fucked up his life and Coronado PD's rep . . . and it seems like he has no good reason.
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I'd be interested to see if the off-duty cop called in anything before bullets were fired.
A few years back, tupac shot two off duty cops who failed to identify themselves, and he was not charged.
Probably a case of rich athlete with a slight buzz getting tailed home, very quick misunderstanding/confrontation, and bullets fly.
Happening in Cali, this could get ugly fast is the guy dies or makes noise... his football career could very well be over if he does live. I know I'd be very pissed if some a-hole with a hero complex decides to F with me in his spare time in front of my own house, and I lost my football career over it.
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oh, there's going to be a huge civil suit w this one.
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A few years back, tupac shot two off duty cops who failed to identify themselves, and he was not charged.
question of fact . . . will go to jury. I'm sure FOley has a good trial lawyer (got off once already)
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oh, there's going to be a huge civil suit w this one.
i was thinking about the possibility of riots/unrest should the PD act like they're above explaining their actions.
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i was thinking about the possibility of riots/unrest should the PD act like they're above explaining their actions.
I don't know that the PD will have vicarious liability in this case . . . someone else probbly knows this stuff better than i do.
in other words, theymight not have to explain anything.
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I don't know that the PD will have vicarious liability in this case . . . someone else probbly knows this stuff better than i do.
in other words, theymight not have to explain anything.
yeah, legally they can wait til trial or keep a lot of it in-house.
given the state of affairs in America, they'd be wise to put out the facts immediately and assume a public position of neutrality. A stance of "our guy is innocent" before an investigation, even if they feel that way secretly, would be PR suicide.
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I just love the way you guys are calling guilt or innocence, justification or provocation, predicting riots, etc., etc., without any solid information on this. wait for the info to come out why don'tcha?
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Well, this is terrible! >:(
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If you where wasted and being hassled at your own house by a off duty cop you would be acting like an asshole. Did he deserve to go to jail? most likley. But I HIGHLY doubt this joker had to shoot him. How many drunken drivers have to be SHOT a year?
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I just love the way you guys are calling guilt or innocence, justification or provocation, predicting riots, etc., etc., without any solid information on this. wait for the info to come out why don'tcha?
jaguar have you ever met james brooks?
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I just love the way you guys are calling guilt or innocence, justification or provocation, predicting riots, etc., etc., without any solid information on this. wait for the info to come out why don'tcha?
shut up and iron my shirt
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fucking cowardice. I hope the guy pulls through - he deservs better than to die by the hand of some over-zealous and likely racist prick of a cop.
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Chargers linebacker Steve Foley was shot near his upscale suburban house by an off-duty policeman early Sunday morning in his second brush with police in 4 1/2 months. Coach Marty Schottenheimer said the wounds were not life-threatening.
"All we're worried about is that he's OK," Schottenheimer told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.
Foley's agent, David Levine, told the AP that Foley was shot three times and had surgery for wounds to his leg, arm and chest.
"He's out of danger at this point," Levine said.
The Chargers will open the season at Oakland on Sept. 11, the day Foley turns 31.
Sheriff's officials said the early morning shooting occurred after the off-duty Coronado police officer followed a suspected drunken driver weaving in and out of freeway traffic at speeds up to 90 mph. Authorities said the driver nearly collided with several other vehicles.
Foley stopped three times, sheriff's officials said. During one of the stops, Lisa Maree Gaut, a passenger in the vehicle, yelled at the officer, authorities said.
The shooting occurred after Foley got out of the vehicle near his home and began walking toward the officer, sheriff's officials said. Gaut got behind the wheel and drove next to Foley in the direction of the officer, the officials said.
The officer identified himself, authorities said, and warned Foley he was armed. He fired a warning shot, at which point Gaut steered the car at the officer, sheriff's officials said.
"The officer fired two rounds at the vehicle," sheriff's Lt. Dennis Brugos said. "The male then came at the officer and put his right hand by his waistband and the officer fired at him."
Paramedics were called to the neighborhood in Poway, northeast of San Diego, at 3:47 a.m. and transferred a trauma victim to Sharp Memorial Hospital.
Sheriff's officials wouldn't say how many times Foley was shot or what, if any, charges will be filed against him.
Coronado police also declined to give any information about the off-duty officer. Coronado, a wealthy peninsular enclave, is across the bay from downtown San Diego. Sheriff's officials said the off-duty officer first encountered Foley on a freeway in northern San Diego.
Gaut, 25, was booked into Las Colinas Detention Facility on suspicion of DUI and assault with a deadly weapon. Bail was set at $17,500. She was scheduled to appear in court on Thursday.
San Diego Chargers linebacker Steve Foley raises his fist to fans while leaving the field after his team beat the Indianapolis Colts in Indianapolis, Sunday, Dec. 18, 2005 in this file photo. Foley was shot by an off-duty police officer in front of his suburban home on Sunday, Sept. 3.
Meanwhile, authorities towed a Cutlass Supreme with a purple interior late Sunday afternoon from the neighborhood of spacious ranch homes, large lots and towering eucalyptus trees.
Neighbor Kent Goodman said the car belonged to Foley. According to the Chargers' media guide, Foley and his father restored a 1971 Cutlass Supreme.
Another neighbor, Rick Jennings, said he was awake at 3:40 a.m. when he heard yelling outside. He went outside after hearing two loud pops he thought were firecrackers.
"I heard a female scream, 'Let it go! No, no, no!' And then four more shots. I heard more screaming and then two more shots and in seconds the first marked officer showed up."
Goodman, who lives three doors from Foley, said he awoke to what he thought was the revving of Foley's car.
"It sounded like his car backfired a couple times. A few seconds passed and I heard more revving and then rapid shots. They were in rapid succession," Goodman said.
Foley had lived at the Poway home for about 1 1/2 years.
Foley, who played at Northeast Louisiana from 1994-97, has played eight seasons in the NFL, for Cincinnati, Houston and San Diego. He signed with the Chargers in March 2004. That year he set career highs with 10 sacks and five forced fumbles.
Foley was arrested April 21 on charges of resisting arrest after police said he scuffled with officers. He also was booked on charges of battery on a police officer and public drunkenness.
The district attorney's office said recently it was not pursuing charges against Foley in that incident.
The Chargers did not practice on Sunday.
Associated Press Writers Christina Almeida in Los Angeles and Elliot Spagat in San Diego, and freelance writer Sandy Burgin in San Diego, contributed to this report
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/03/nfl.shooting/index.html
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I just love the way you guys are calling guilt or innocence, justification or provocation, predicting riots, etc., etc., without any solid information on this. wait for the info to come out why don'tcha?
Sweet mother of god....jag and I agree. You guys have no idea what happened. If it happend as laid out in the article then the cop had provocation. We have no idea what color the cop was. Further, cops usually don't fire warning shots...either u fire to kill or u don't. Lets see what happens before jumping to conclusions. This is exactly the stuff that causes riots and other stupidity.
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Sweet mother of god....jag and I agree. You guys have no idea what happened. If it happend as laid out in the article then the cop had provocation. We have no idea what color the cop was. Further, cops usually don't fire warning shots...either u fire to kill or u don't. Lets see what happens before jumping to conclusions. This is exactly the stuff that causes riots and other stupidity.
:o :o Believe me, I'm just as shocked as you over this. {lol} Whadya think it means? :-\ ???
REPENT: THE END IS NEAR!!!
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At that, the police officer pulled out his handgun and verbally identified himself, warning Foley to stop walking toward him, the investigator said.
"That's a BB gun," Brugos said Foley told him.
Foley then stopped his advance, returned to his car and pulled away, driving at least two more miles before stopping on Travertine Court, the upper-class street where he lives, Brugos said.
The officer said Foley again got out of his car and walked toward him, while his passenger -- Lisa Maree Gaut -- drove alongside him in the car.
"As the suspect approached, the officer again identified himself as a police officer and that his gun was real," the police statement said.
To prove it, the officer said he fired one warning shot into bushes and two shots toward the sky.
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To prove it, the officer said he fired one warning shot into bushes and two shots toward the sky.
Multiple confrontations and 3 warning shots... damn...
Did he ever call it in at all? I can't fathom a scenarion in which he doesn't hit 911 on his cell at least. 3 warning shots and multiple interactions eithout calling in backup sounds like a hreo complex.
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Multiple confrontations and 3 warning shots... damn...
Did he ever call it in at all? I can't fathom a scenarion in which he doesn't hit 911 on his cell at least. 3 warning shots and multiple interactions eithout calling in backup sounds like a hreo complex.
he's still fucked . . . if a jury decides against his version of events, all these stories will not matter. hope he has a good homeowner's or similar policy.
oh, and jaguar is a colossal dumbass.
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he's still fucked . . . if a jury decides against his version of events, all these stories will not matter. hope he has a good homeowner's or similar policy.
who is fcuked, the NFLer or the cop?
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who is fcuked, the NFLer or the cop?
the cop . . . unless he can somehow afford a better lawyer than a guy who's been in the NFL 9 yrs.
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the cop . . . unless he can somehow afford a better lawyer than a guy who's been in the NFL 9 yrs.
yeah i agree. Credibility goes up so much for the cop when he calls in backup. Firing warning shots and playing tag... that's someone an off duty cop doesn't do. Dumb of him.
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yeah i agree. Credibility goes up so much for the cop when he calls in backup. Firing warning shots and playing tag... that's someone an off duty cop doesn't do. Dumb of him.
does anyone know how old the cop is? sounds like might be on the younger side . . . immature and full of beans.
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I don't know what the rules of engagement are in San Diego, but in Hawaii cops do NOT fire warning shots. They are trained to fire their weapon until the threat is stopped and they aim for center mass. I would imagine this is standard operating procedure for cops in other jurisdictions.
I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't pull over for a guy in plain clothes waiving a gun. I don't care if he identified himself as Jesus Christ. I'd drive straight to the nearest police station.
We obviously don't know all of the facts, but an off duty cop outside his jurisdiction shooting an unarmed man on the street where the man lives sounds pretty bad for the cop.
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Cops are too much. What right does a cop have outside of his juristiction, especially OFF duty? He should have called the police and followed the guy if he thought he was drunk...that's it. Any cops here? Do you have any arresting ability OUTSIDE of your juristiction and off duty?
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I don't know what the rules of engagement are in San Diego, but in Hawaii cops do NOT fire warning shots. They are trained to fire their weapon until the threat is stopped and they aim for center mass. I would imagine this is standard operating procedure for cops in other jurisdictions.
I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't pull over for a guy in plain clothes waiving a gun. I don't care if he identified himself as Jesus Christ. I'd drive straight to the nearest police station.
We obviously don't know all of the facts, but an off duty cop outside his jurisdiction shooting an unarmed man on the street where the man lives sounds pretty bad for the cop.
Exactly, Beach Bum!!! In this day with everyone having guns..especially in one of the gang capitol areas of the country like Southern Cali I wouldn't have trusted he was a cop also. I think the guy should not have made contact until police were there.
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I don't know what the rules of engagement are in San Diego, but in Hawaii cops do NOT fire warning shots. They are trained to fire their weapon until the threat is stopped and they aim for center mass. I would imagine this is standard operating procedure for cops in other jurisdictions.
I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't pull over for a guy in plain clothes waiving a gun. I don't care if he identified himself as Jesus Christ. I'd drive straight to the nearest police station.
We obviously don't know all of the facts, but an off duty cop outside his jurisdiction shooting an unarmed man on the street where the man lives sounds pretty bad for the cop.
I agree 100%
Sounds like this was a pretty dangerous damn chase around town from what I'm reading, and Why didn't the plain clothes officer call in for an uniform? I didn't read anywhere that the cop had no comms. I guess they'll add that little part in later. ;)
Heck no I wouldn't pull over for a mofo "saying" he is an officer.
This entire story sounds way too out of the ordinary man.
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cops do NOT fire warning shots. They are trained to fire their weapon until the threat is stopped
No one's explained here why warning shots would in any way be a negative given the context, regardless of whether it's part of procedure.
We obviously don't know all of the facts, but an off duty cop outside his jurisdiction shooting an unarmed man on the street where the man lives sounds pretty bad for the cop.
OF COURSE the off-duty copy had to pursue and eventually fire-what else was he to do faced with an immediate threat of a maniac weaving through traffic at 90 barely missing cars, then later very threatening at 6'4" and over 260 walking towards him. Same thing with his out of control girlfriend, screaming then aiming her car at the guy. Hello? ::) ??? This one's a no-brainer.
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the cop fired warning shots into the bushes? WTF? In a heavily populated residential area he fires shots at that height/level. This whole thing stinks bigtime.
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the cop fired warning shots into the bushes? WTF? In a heavily populated residential area he fires shots at that height/level. This whole thing stinks bigtime.
Like a lot of the other posts here, you are clueless as to context; you have NO idea whether firing into bushes there was at all dangerous. That's in addition to the fact that since you weren't there you really can't appreciate the threat posed by two out of control maniacs-one trying to ram you with a car while screaming, the other the size of Frankenstein walking towards you.
You guys are hillarious.
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You guys are hillarious.
and you can't even spell it.
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No one's explained here why warning shots would in any way be a negative given the context, regardless of whether it's part of procedure.
OF COURSE the off-duty copy had to pursue and eventually fire-what else was he to do faced with an immediate threat of a maniac weaving through traffic at 90 barely missing cars, then later very threatening at 6'4" and over 260 walking towards him. Same thing with his out of control girlfriend, screaming then aiming her car at the guy. Hello? ::) ??? This one's a no-brainer.
obviously ;D
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what else was he to do faced with an immediate threat of a maniac weaving through traffic at 90 barely missing cars, then later very threatening at 6'4" and over 260 walking towards him.
What else was he to do? How about call the police just like any other ordinary citizen can do. He had NO...ZERO rights to do what he did. Him being a cop in another completely separate juristiction makes him nothing. Him being off duty adds to it.
Even if your a legit on duty cop there are many other alternatives. Mace him is the most common...oh so the guy carries a gun but not his mace....tough guy cops are pathetic wanna be tough guys that were picked on when they were younger and allow the badge to make them feel like super heros. If he was not in his juristiction and was off duty there will be and should be a price to pay. The guy was apparently UNARMED!!!!!!!! It aint like he had his own weapon and wouldn't drop it.
One more thing, for this reason alone cops should be required to at least be capable of holding their own against most of the population. These weak, fat out of shape cops are ridiculous and the women are worse.
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Did you know that if an off duty cop tries pulling you over (not in a police car) it is perfectly within your legal right to call 911 on your cell and get directions to the nearest police station, oor location where a marked squad car will be present. This is a safeguard to prevent people form buying lights for their car and stopping anyone.
Granted, a drunk NFLer wasn't about to use that option.
I think a lot of the situation will depend on at what point the offduty called it in. If he called 911 or radioed in, the moment he saw the drunk driver, and they just took a while to arrive, it looks like a police operation gone bad. If he didn't call anything in until after there was a man bleeding on the ground, following multiple confrontations and warning shots, then his ass needs to be off the job. It takes about 1 second to hit 911 on your cell, if for nothing else than to put a recording of the events on public record.
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No one's explained here why warning shots would in any way be a negative given the context, regardless of whether it's part of procedure.
OF COURSE the off-duty copy had to pursue and eventually fire-what else was he to do faced with an immediate threat of a maniac weaving through traffic at 90 barely missing cars, then later very threatening at 6'4" and over 260 walking towards him. Same thing with his out of control girlfriend, screaming then aiming her car at the guy. Hello? ::) ??? This one's a no-brainer.
If firing warning shots into the bushes in a residential neighborhood violates the use of force guidelines (which I suspect it does), then the Coronado PD and the officer should just bring their checkbook.
I don't think this is a no-brainer at all. Don't have enough information, but unless the guy was packing and pointing a weapon at the officer, I see a big problem for the officer. IMO, it would be a no-brainer if the officer was in a marked car, in uniform, identified himself, followed police procedure, and believed he faced an imminent threat to his (or others') safety.
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What else was he to do? How about call the police just like any other ordinary citizen can do. He had NO...ZERO rights to do what he did. Him being a cop in another completely separate juristiction makes him nothing. Him being off duty adds to it.
They were dangerous, and proved it with their actions; waiting for police in that context would've been more dangerous than waiting.
Don't have enough information, but unless the guy was packing and pointing a weapon at the officer, I see a big problem for the officer.
Weaving through traffic at 90, her attacking him with the car, a 6'4" nut walks towards him like a nut aren't serious enough? hahaahahahah
If firing warning shots into the bushes in a residential neighborhood violates the use of force guidelines (which I suspect it does), then the Coronado PD and the officer should just bring their checkbook.
Unlike you, they won't jump to conclusions on incomplete info. They'll also factor in the context, what was happening to create that situation and where the bushes were located in relation to people in the area.
You guys are hillarious.
and you can't even spell it.
He gets the entire thought process wrong jumping to conclusions with speculation based on incomplete info, and is worried about spelling - funnier still.
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I don't dislike cops, but I do have a few problems with the police enforcement system in general.
I don't think that any cop should have any power beyond their juristiction, UNLESS in a chase that began in their juristiction.
I think that the process to become a cop should include passing a "combat" (for lack of a better disciption) course AND personal test. In other words if you can't physically take care of your self then you do not become a cop. Too many times I see guys completely over taking a femal cop or un capable male cop. If they call what they are doing in the academy LEGIT then the failure to produce capable cops should tell them differently. You CAN NOT teach someone to be tough....they can't be a pussy their whole life, get a badge and take the academy and be capable.
If what is reported in this case is correct then this cop is wrong. Just my opinion
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I don't think that any cop should have any power beyond their juristiction, UNLESS in a chase that began in their juristiction.
I think that the process to become a cop should include passing a "combat" (for lack of a better disciption) course AND personal test.
Extremely easy to sit back now and recite arbitrary opinions on what should be vs. the reality of a fluid, time-sensitive situation.
Training courses are given, which help but don't prepare for every possible eventuality. That is where context & intangibles will be considered that none of you are even thinking about. ;D
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Unlike you, they won't jump to conclusions on incomplete info.
Then why have you called this a "no-brainer"?
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Extremely easy to sit back now and recite arbitrary opinions on what should be vs. the reality of a fluid, time-sensitive situation.
"Combat" courses are given, but they're neither perfect nor do they cover every eventuality. There are grey areas that some of you don't comprehend.
You know it is possible to communicate with people without insulting them. You should try it sometime.
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Sarcasm hates blacks AND cops. I bet he's totally confused by this situation. ;D
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You know it is possible to communicate with people without insulting them. You should try it sometime.
Interesting that you interpret disagreement with you as an insult. Maybe you have some issues.
Unlike you, they won't jump to conclusions on incomplete info.
Then why have you called this a "no-brainer"?
They were completely out of control & could have killed someone and you're worried about waiting for some other cops to arrive. Try a balanced assessment; if i was in the neighborhood i'd want that off-duty guy on them ASAP.
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After reading the official story it seems the officer was not at fault. I dont know if he had to shoot him tho : (
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Like a lot of the other posts here, you are clueless as to context; you have NO idea whether firing into bushes there was at all dangerous. That's in addition to the fact that since you weren't there you really can't appreciate the threat posed by two out of control maniacs-one trying to ram you with a car while screaming, the other the size of Frankenstein walking towards you.
You guys are hillarious.
"Context" WTF are you talking about? Any police officer that describes firing his weapon in to a nearby bush to warn someone is outta line. What if someone was taking a leak in said bush? Firing at street level in a residential neighborhood is ALWAYS dangerous. Period.
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Interesting that you interpret disagreement with you as an insult. Maybe you have some issues.
Here is what I was referring too: "'Combat' courses are given, but they're neither perfect nor do they cover every eventuality. There are grey areas that some of you don't comprehend." Did you delete this comment or am I just overlooking it? I didn't consider this an insult to me at all. I thought you were insulting others. You do that a lot. I think it detracts from whatever point you're trying to make.
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They were completely out of control & could have killed someone and you're worried about waiting for some other cops to arrive. Try a balanced assessment; if i was in the neighborhood i'd want that off-duty guy on them ASAP.
No, what I asked was how you can call this a "no-brainer" while simultaneously saying "Unlike you, they won't jump to conclusions on incomplete info." Those comments appear to be irreconcilable.
How can you say the use of force was a "no brainer" without jumping to conclusions based on incomplete information? We don't know the whole story.
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No, what I asked was how you can call this a "no-brainer" while simultaneously saying "Unlike you, they won't jump to conclusions on incomplete info." Those comments appear to be irreconcilable.
How can you say the use of force was a "no brainer" without jumping to conclusions based on incomplete information? We don't know the whole story.
screw pumper . . . the only facts that are going to matter in this case are what the jury decides not this bs:
OF COURSE the off-duty copy had to pursue and eventually fire-what else was he to do faced with an immediate threat of a maniac weaving through traffic at 90 barely missing cars, then later very threatening at 6'4" and over 260 walking towards him. Same thing with his out of control girlfriend, screaming then aiming her car at the guy. Hello? Roll Eyes Huh This one's a no-brainer.
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All I know is.. no matter who was at fault here... this cop needs some serious disciplinary action IF he followed this guy through traffic to his home, engaged him repeatedly, fired warning shots, they eventually shot him and didn't bother to call anything in, until after the man was shot.
His 'hero' actions scalated the sitation. If uniformed backup had arrived, the NFl player likely would have settled down very fast.
instead you have some guy in street clothes, waving a gun and firing warning shots at 3;30 AM. Shit, I'd be more worried about getting robbed by this clown following me home then pulling a gun.
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All I know is.. no matter who was at fault here... this cop needs some serious disciplinary action IF he followed this guy through traffic to his home, engaged him repeatedly, fired warning shots, they eventually shot him and didn't bother to call anything in, until after the man was shot.
His 'hero' actions scalated the sitation. If uniformed backup had arrived, the NFl player likely would have settled down very fast.
instead you have some guy in street clothes, waving a gun and firing warning shots at 3;30 AM. Shit, I'd be more worried about getting robbed by this clown following me home then pulling a gun.
Exactly 240. He was posing a serious danger. Shooting into the fucking bushes? WTF? I still don't get that one. Like a bush is going to stop a round.
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Exactly 240. He was posing a serious danger. Shooting into the fucking bushes? WTF? I still don't get that one. Like a bush is going to stop a round.
I'm guessing the NFL player said 'that gun isn't real', so the cop fired then said something witty. :)
maybe after he shot him in the chest, he uttered 'real enough for you, MFer'?
This has stink all over it. I watched one video and read the article - nothing about if he called it in or just tried to subdue a man twice his size in the middle of the night in plain clothes.
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I'm guessing the NFL player said 'that gun isn't real', so the cop fired then said something witty. :)
maybe after he shot him in the chest, he uttered 'real enough for you, MFer'?
This has stink all over it. I watched one video and read the article - nothing about if he called it in or just tried to subdue a man twice his size in the middle of the night in plain clothes.
Yeah, something just doesn't add up. If I had to weigh whether a drunk guy driving an SUV at 3am or a guy shooting off multiple rounds in a neighborhood, some at bushes and in the air.....who is the more dangerous threat?
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Yeah, something just doesn't add up. If I had to weigh whether a drunk guy driving an SUV at 3am or a guy shooting off multiple rounds in a neighborhood, some at bushes and in the air.....who is the more dangerous threat?
good call. Plus, from the NFl player's viewpoint... you come home at 330 am, some guy follows you (pretty obvious when youre being followed in middle of night).
then the guy pulls a gun and attempts to subdue you. You don't know if he's an offduty cop or some nut with a grudge or just someone trying to rob your ass.
I would have told him to get off my lawn then went inside to get my shotgun to clear him out. If the real police arrived, I'd talk to them. But not some prick who followed me home.
Cop made a huge mistake. The warning shots added to the case for his stupidity.
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Just read that he's out for the season. That really sucks.
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wow interesting..i find funny that poway takes more than 20 mintues to get to coronado..unless u are going like a buck 20 at least..and i find it real hard to believe that they would fire a warning shot in coronado..seeing how there is a naval base there and one right before you get to the coronado bridge..
(knny should be posting real quick..lol) ;D
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If you think firing into bushes is reckless, firing into the air is even worse.
Bullets that go up, ...eventually come down, and many people have been killed by descending bullets.
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wow interesting..i find funny that poway takes more than 20 mintues to get to coronado..unless u are going like a buck 20 at least..and i find it real hard to believe that they would fire a warning shot in coronado..seeing how there is a naval base there and one right before you get to the coronado bridge..
(knny should be posting real quick..lol) ;D
We stayed at the Del Coronado for 4 nights during part of a vacation. One day we decided to go to the large pool because the sand on the beach (which is wide) was so hot, and when we got there the gates were locked. We asked what was up and they said (not in these words) a ......child had a "baby ruth" accident and the pool was to be drained and thoroughly cleaned. We went to teh smaller pool. :P
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is the day cafe next to the bank on the main street in coronado
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is the day cafe next to the bank on the main street in coronado
I think there are two Navy bases in Coronado? Or at least there used to be. I agree driving from Coronado to Poway in 20 minutes is darn near impossible. It takes 10 or 15 minutes just to get out of Coronado and over the bridge (if you don't go the Imperial Beach way, which is longer). I think the max speed limit on the entire "island" (which isn't really an island) is 35 mph. Beautiful white sand beach though. Cold! I think Clinton used to stay at the Hotel Del Coronado whenever he came through.
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i expected he'd at least miss the season . . . too bad for san diego . . . they really rely on their run-stop defense. still have merriman though-monster.
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He was unarmed and the cop may not have shown his badge.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2575196
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NFL doesn't have to pay him because he was injured off the field.
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Cha-ching! Sounds like Coronado will be paying someone's salary.
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I think there are two Navy bases in Coronado? Or at least there used to be. I agree driving from Coronado to Poway in 20 minutes is darn near impossible. It takes 10 or 15 minutes just to get out of Coronado and over the bridge (if you don't go the Imperial Beach way, which is longer). I think the max speed limit on the entire "island" (which isn't really an island) is 35 mph. Beautiful white sand beach though. Cold! I think Clinton used to stay at the Hotel Del Coronado whenever he came through.
I just remember north island naval base but that was back in the mid eighties..ill ask pops since he was stationed there
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As expected, you guys were almost entirely off in your pathetic speculations..
Sept. 7
An off-duty police officer inadvertently was "trapped" in a suburban cul-de-sac without backup before he shot San Diego Chargers linebacker Steve Foley , a prosecutor said Thursday.
Aaron Mansker, an officer with the Coronado Police Department, had decided to drop his pursuit because no other officers responded to his calls for help, but found himself blocked Sunday morning in the dead-end street where Foley lives, said San Diego County Deputy District Attorney Jim Koerber.
Mansker was on his way home from a shift when he spotted a suspected drunken driver on the freeway weaving through traffic at speeds up to 90 mph.
Koerber's account came during an arraignment hearing for Lisa Maree Gaut, 25, who was a passenger in Foley's restored 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme.
Gaut pleaded not guilty to charges of driving under the influence of alcohol and assaulting a police officer. She faces up to five years in prison if convicted of all charges. Superior Court Judge David Szumowski ordered her held in custody in lieu of $35,000 bail.
The shooting occurred after Foley got out of the car near his home in Poway and began walking toward Mansker, who said he was armed and fired a warning shot, according to a sheriff's department report.
"At this time, the officer was trapped," Koerber told the judge.
Gaut got behind the wheel of Foley's Oldsmobile, revved the engine and drove toward Mansker, Koerber said. Mansker fired two shots at the car and fired at Foley when the football player reached into his pants with his right hand.
Gaut's attorney, Raymond Vecchio, said that the pair hadn't stopped their car earlier when Mansker ordered them to pull over at a stoplight because they were concerned that the off-duty officer was a carjacker or an "overeager fan."
Vecchio called the assault charges against Gaut "bogus."
There was no update Thursday on Foley's condition. Earlier in the week, his agent, David Levine, said Foley was hospitalized in stable condition after undergoing surgery.
The Chargers put Foley on the non-football injured reserve list just a day after the shooting, meaning he will miss the season and forfeit his pay, estimated at $1.65 million. Foley - an eight-season NFL veteran - turns 31 on Monday, and no one has said whether he will be able to play again.
San Diego County sheriff's Capt. Glenn Revell said Thursday that Foley was shot in the hand, upper thigh, and lower inner thigh.
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Okay. So we've heard the cop's version. What's Folely's and his companion's version? Sounds like someone is jumping "to conclusions on incomplete info." :)
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We ALREADY KNOW his version AKA the getbig jump to conclusions interpretation. ::)
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We ALREADY KNOW his version AKA the getbig jump to conclusions interpretation. ::)
??? We don't know anything. Unless I missed it, no statement has been issued by either Foley or his companion. You should wait till the evidence comes in before you "jump to conclusions on incomplete info."
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"Chargers linebacker Steve Foley had a blood-alcohol level was 0.233 percent, nearly three times California's legal limit of 0.08 percent, when he was shot Sept. 3 outside his home."
:o
"Prosecutors on Thursday noted the level in an affidavit for a search warrant as they requested a blood sample from Foley on suspicion that he was using performance-enhancing drugs when he was shot and seriously wounded by an off-duty police officer."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2587718
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Updated: Sep. 15, 2006, 10:27 PM ET
Report: Foley said officer was trying to end his career
SAN DIEGO -- "You're trying to end my career, man," Chargers linebacker Steve Foley said after he was shot at least three times by an off-duty police officer, according to a sheriff's department report obtained Friday by The Associated Press.
The officer followed Foley's restored 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme about 30 miles on the freeway on suspicion that the driver was drunk, the report said.
The shooting occurred when Foley got out of his car outside his home in suburban Poway, the report said. The officer fired after the 6-foot-4, 265-pound linebacker reached into his pants with his right hand.
Foley, who is from Little Rock, said, "You shot me in the knee," but continued approaching the off-duty Coronado police officer, Aaron Mansker. The officer shot at least three more rounds at Foley before the player "went down" and fell unconscious, the report said.
San Diego Sheriff's Deputy Robert Tockstein, the first deputy to arrive after the shooting, wrote the report on the day of the shooting.
Foley, who had been partying in downtown San Diego, had a blood alcohol level of 0.233 percent, nearly three times California's legal limit of 0.08 percent.
The police officer has been placed on paid administrative leave.
Foley will miss the season. His agent, David Levine, said earlier this week that Foley was hospitalized in fair condition with two gunshot wounds in his lower left leg and one on his thigh. Sheriff's officials have said Foley was shot in the hand.
Levine did not immediately return a phone message Friday.
Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2589640
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More news. The judge has issued a gag order. Plus this from a couple weeks ago:
Woman pleads not guilty to charges
By Dana Littlefield
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
September 8, 2006
PEGGY PEATTIE / Union-Tribune
Lisa Maree Gaut was arraigned Thursday in the case involving Chargers linebacker Steve Foley. The charges against her include assault with a deadly weapon on a peace officer.
Conflicting versions of the controversial shooting of San Diego Chargers linebacker Steve Foley unfolded yesterday during and after a court hearing in which Foley's female companion pleaded not guilty to criminal charges.
The prosecutor painted a picture of drunken, criminal behavior in which Foley was wounded by an off-duty police officer who felt he was “trapped” in a cul de sac near Foley's home and in danger of being rammed by the woman at the wheel of Foley's vehicle.
Meanwhile, the woman's lawyer said she acted “heroically” and that neither she nor Foley realized that the man trying to stop them on suspicion of drunken driving was an officer.
The lawyer said Foley and the woman thought they might have been the targets of a carjacker or “an over-exuberant fan” early Sunday morning before the officer shot Foley in the confrontation.
Lisa Maree Gaut, 25, of San Diego pleaded not guilty yesterday in San Diego Superior court to four felony and misdemeanor charges, including assault with a deadly weapon on a peace officer and driving under the influence. If convicted, she could be sent to prison for up to five years.
Foley, who was unarmed that morning, has undergone two surgeries at Sharp Memorial Hospital. He suffered wounds to his hand, upper thigh and lower inner thigh, a source said.
Foley was moved out of surgical intensive care yesterday. He was visited by family and teammates, who said he was in good spirits.
A spokesman for the District Attorney's Office said yesterday there “is no word yet” on whether Foley will be charged with any crimes. Police said Wednesday that Foley has refused to speak to detectives investigating the shooting.
Judge David M. Szumowski set Gaut's bail at $35,000 and scheduled a bail review hearing Tuesday. The judge also scheduled a Sept. 20 hearing at which prosecutors are expected to present evidence in the case.
Meanwhile, Gaut remains in custody at Las Colinas Detention Facility in Santee.
Outside the courtroom, Gaut's lawyer, Raymond Vecchio, rebutted prosecutors' claims that Gaut tried to ram the officer when she got behind the wheel of Foley's Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme during the confrontation. Instead, Vecchio said, Gaut was coming to Foley's aid when she saw the officer shoot Foley in the cul de sac after the officer had followed and attempted to stop them for erratic driving.
Deputy District Attorney James Koerber told the judge that the off-duty Coronado police officer – identified as Aaron Mansker, 23 – was driving home to Escondido from work about 3 a.m. Sunday when he saw the Oldsmobile “weaving all over the road” on northbound state Route 163.
Koerber said Foley, 30, was in the driver's seat of the Oldsmobile and Gaut in the passenger's seat. They had been drinking at a bar in downtown San Diego for several hours before getting into the car, the prosecutor said.
Koerber said the officer, who was not in uniform and was driving his own car, followed Foley and called for assistance by radio. The prosecutor said Foley drove up to 90 mph before getting off the freeway in the Poway area.
When they reached a stop sign, the officer pulled his car up to the driver's side of the Oldsmobile and identified himself, but Foley uttered an expletive and drove off, the prosecutor said.
Foley and the officer stopped two more times before the pursuit ended near Foley's home on Travertine Court, the prosecutor said. He said the officer repeatedly identified himself to Foley and Gaut, both of whom ignored his commands.
After the final stop, Mansker decided to drive away, the prosecutor said. But the officer then realized he had driven into a cul de sac and was trapped.
Foley started walking past his house and toward the officer, Koerber said. When Mansker fired a warning shot into the bushes, Gaut – now behind the wheel of the Oldsmobile – drove around Foley and “tried to ram the officer,” the prosecutor said.
Koerber told the judge that Gaut was arrested in July 2004 in Solano County near San Francisco on suspicion of driving a stolen vehicle, but failed to make any court appearances. According to court records, Solano County prosecutors have also accused her of receiving stolen property and possession of a forged check.
Gaut's lawyer said the facts of the case would eventually show that his client “acted heroically and not criminally.” He said after the hearing that Gaut tried to come to Foley's aid and “lead him to safety,” but never put the officer in any jeopardy.
Vecchio said the officer fired at Gaut twice, but she was not injured. He said the key to the whole case is whether Gaut or Foley understood that Mansker was a police officer.
“It could have been a carjacker; it could have been an over-exuberant fan,” Vecchio said. “He did not know. She did not know.”
Vecchio said he had not received reports yesterday of Gaut's blood-alcohol content the night of the shooting. He described Gaut and Foley as “friends” and said she was not used to driving Foley's restored 1971 Oldsmobile, which may explain the revving sounds of an engine that neighbors reportedly heard.
Her father Terry Gaut, who lives in New Mexico, said he has stayed glued to television news reports and Internet blogs for updates on his daughter's case. “She's a good kid really. She's just had some tough times,” he said yesterday, adding that his daughter is a single mother who works construction jobs.
“I can only imagine what she felt after getting shot at,” he said. “When I heard that, it really scared the hell out of me.”
Staff writers Kristina Davis and Jim Trotter contributed to this report.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20060908-9999-7m8gaut.html
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does anyone know how old the cop is? sounds like might be on the younger side . . . immature and full of beans.
23 y o. stands to reason.
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Chargers LB Foley charged with DUI
NFL.com wire reports
SAN DIEGO (Oct. 11, 2006) -- Chargers linebacker Steve Foley was charged with drunken driving stemming from a confrontation last month with an off-duty Coronado police officer that resulted in Foley being shot three times.
His arraignment on two counts of misdemeanor DUI was scheduled for Oct. 18, but he is not required to attend. His attorney can enter a plea for him.
Foley's attorney did not return a call seeking comment.
The player's agent, David Levine, said Foley is home recovering from several surgeries to his leg.
"He currently is unable to walk or stand without assistance," Levine said. "Right now he's going through a healing process, a very painful one, and it's unknown at this point in time how he's going to recover."
Foley was shot early on Sept. 3 near his Poway home by an off-duty Coronado police officer who had followed him for several miles after suspecting him of driving drunk.
Police said Foley, who had been partying in downtown San Diego, had a blood-alcohol level of .233 percent, nearly three times California's legal limit of .08.
The charges carry enhancements that include being charged with DUI within 10 years of a prior conviction and having a blood-alcohol level exceeding .15.
Foley has been arrested at least five times since 1999, including cases that police say involved alcohol and confrontations with officers.
http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/SD/9721825