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We've seen a couple of stuffed shirts allegedly playing the role of "athlete's rep". It's one of those things that everyone knows but refuses to discuss. Let's face it, an athlete's rep who is employed by Weider, BSN, or any other company that has an interest in the outcome of Bodybuilding contests is not going to do what's in the best interest of the athletes. If bodybuilding can't resolve this issue on it's own, maybe it's high time for Congress to investigate the situation.
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Shawn Ray was the best Rep in my opinion.
He really changed the face of bodybuilding in the mid to late 90's
He takes a lot of heat, but the changes he pushed for are now enjoyed by todays top pro's
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We've seen a couple of stuffed shirts allegedly playing the role of "athlete's rep". It's one of those things that everyone knows but refuses to discuss. Let's face it, an athlete's rep who is employed by Weider, BSN, or any other company that has an interest in the outcome of Bodybuilding contests is not going to do what's in the best interest of the athletes. If bodybuilding can't resolve this issue on it's own, maybe it's high time for Congress to investigate the situation.
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agreed. what has bob done in the last 3 years that has benefited the bodybuilders? he is an AMI/weider company man, not a bodybuilder's man.
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We've seen a couple of stuffed shirts allegedly playing the role of "athlete's rep". It's one of those things that everyone knows but refuses to discuss. Let's face it, an athlete's rep who is employed by Weider, BSN, or any other company that has an interest in the outcome of Bodybuilding contests is not going to do what's in the best interest of the athletes. If bodybuilding can't resolve this issue on it's own, maybe it's high time for Congress to investigate the situation.
agreed
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agreed. what has bob done in the last 3 years that has benefited the bodybuilders? he is an AMI/weider company man, not a bodybuilder's man.
He must be doing something right, he was picked instead of Michael Buffer to MC the olympia
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We've seen a couple of stuffed shirts allegedly playing the role of "athlete's rep". It's one of those things that everyone knows but refuses to discuss. Let's face it, an athlete's rep who is employed by Weider, BSN, or any other company that has an interest in the outcome of Bodybuilding contests is not going to do what's in the best interest of the athletes. If bodybuilding can't resolve this issue on it's own, maybe it's high time for Congress to investigate the situation.
1. There have been no "stuffed shirts" as athlete reps, almost all of the previous ones have been IFBB athletes, the one exception (ironically) was Wayne DeMilia WAY back in the old days...
2. Why would I have any interest in who wins? Does it make my pay go up?
3. Every proposal I've submitted benefitted ALL the athletes , both men and women...more money, more qualifications, rule changes, reduced fines, streamlining the judging to be more fair, health coverage, etc, etc.
What "issues" do you believe congress would be interested in?
Much like our resident buffoon Basile, you wouldnt have the slightest clue what I've done or what the athletes think....probably best you stay out of things you have no knowledge of
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1. There have been no "stuffed shirts" as athlete reps, almost all of the previous ones have been IFBB athletes, the one exception (ironically) was Wayne DeMilia WAY back in the old days...
2. Why would I have any interest in who wins? Does it make my pay go up?
3. Every proposal I've submitted benefitted ALL the athletes , both men and women...more money, more qualifications, rule changes, reduced fines, streamlining the judging to be more fair, health coverage, etc, etc.
What "issues" do you believe congress would be interested in?
Much like our resident buffoon Basile, you wouldnt have the slightest clue what I've done or what the athletes think....probably best you stay out of things you have no knowledge of
Congress would be interested in the perfromance enhancing drug abuse that runs rampant.
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Congress would be interested in the perfromance enhancing drug abuse that runs rampant.
I would love to see less extreme drug use in pro BB. However, Congress is the last group I want bugging the IFBB pros.
Did you see that witch trial over Balco and roids in baseball, yikes!
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Has Bob been appointed to the position for life, or else when does his term expire and is an election gonna be held?
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shouldn't the AR be an active athlete?
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Sounds a good job for Goodrum.
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Sounds a good job for Goodrum.
I'm busy with my new house and studying for the ACSM exam
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I'm busy with my new house and studying for the ACSM exam
oh god not again ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
have u eaten at Vigne's down the street from your apartment. And i finally got the answer to why you windows are so close to the ground.
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you wouldnt have the slightest clue what I've done or what the athletes think....probably best you stay out of things you have no knowledge of
Why does fellow pro Milos call you Pinocchio? :D
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Triple H should be the rep. Anyone that disagrees with him would get pedigreed. :D
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Chick is the kind of "representaive" you find in African countries. He is well represented on the other side.. ::)
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I'm busy with my new house and studying for the ACSM exam
You're already an anus and cock sucking master, you don't need a piece of paper to tell you that.
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I see Bob has taken to using my vocabulary. Isn't he the guy Special Ed and Derek Anthony said hello to then minutes later Bob had forgotten who they were! The best this guy could do
on the outside is sell furniture or used cars. He has no integrity and didn't help Milos of Lee Priest. He is the enemy of bodybuilders everywhere because he isn't against the drugs. How can
a certified stooge like Bob C help anyone? The ex probationary deputy sheriff knows how to arrest people and enforce rules not interpret them or guide others. You really can't make a silk
out of a sow's ear! The sport is corrupt and controlled by a committee of which Bob is a participant. He is the biggest hypocrite ever to wear posing trunks and is laughing all the way to the bank
while the athletes he represents have to do awful things to make ends meet. They get the shaft and he gets promoted.
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Shawn Ray was the best Rep in my opinion.
He really changed the face of bodybuilding in the mid to late 90's
He takes a lot of heat, but the changes he pushed for are now enjoyed by todays top pro's
Hi Shawn
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No offense to Bob, but I don't think the Athlete's Rep should be a bodybuilder. I think it should be someone with a degree in Law and that has had a history of being a sports agent.
As much as I like Bob, there are too many conflict of interests and I don't feel he can truly perform his duties when he's an emcee, among other things he does. There are too many chances that where Bob could want to make a decision in the best interest of the athletes and it could cost him emcee jobs or worse and he might have to save himself vs. making the right choice. Not questioning his integrity, it would be better if those risks weren't there.
There are ZERO checks and balances in bodybuilding a sport in dire need of them.
Bob being an athletes rep is bringing a water pistol to a gun show (no pun intended). There needs to be a lawyer there. There needs to be rules/laws written and posted in the IFBB handbook about this also.
They fly by the seat of their pants.
Everyone knows bodybuilding is the good ol boys club. Whether it's Dan "no teeth" Solomon threatening Ron's Press Passes, Weinberger doing his dirty shit, promoters and judges at the NPC level and a host of other things...Denying these means you don't want to believe cause all this shit is true...We can get into the Lee Thompson fiasco also but the thread will get deleted.
I'm sure since you've taken this stance and formed your opinion, that you can readily list the proposals and changes I've had approved over the last 4 years, right?
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I'm sure since you've taken this stance and formed your opinion, that you can readily list the proposals and changes I've had approved over the last 4 years, right?
oh man chick...and i thought u were another shawn ray, am curious what you have done vs him? you got bbers insurance...correct? what else? did shawn do anything?
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I see Bob has taken to using my vocabulary. Isn't he the guy Special Ed and Derek Anthony said hello to then minutes later Bob had forgotten who they were! The best this guy could do
on the outside is sell furniture or used cars. He has no integrity and didn't help Milos of Lee Priest. He is the enemy of bodybuilders everywhere because he isn't against the drugs. How can
a certified stooge like Bob C help anyone? The ex probationary deputy sheriff knows how to arrest people and enforce rules not interpret them or guide others. You really can't make a silk
out of a sow's ear! The sport is corrupt and controlled by a committee of which Bob is a participant. He is the biggest hypocrite ever to wear posing trunks and is laughing all the way to the bank
while the athletes he represents have to do awful things to make ends meet. They get the shaft and he gets promoted.
They have meds for senility, Basile...get some.
No idea what you're talking about re Special Ed, or DA, but fel free to make up whatever story you wish...
As I've stated 100 times, both Lee and Milos asked for my help and neither were denied....ask them yourself. I wrote and submitted Lee's reinstatement letter, and Milos' appeal letter.
I'm the "enemy" of BBers everywhere because I'm not forcing them to ask to be drug tested...LOL...I do what the athletes want, when they all ask for the IFBB to start testing them, I'll be sure to submit the paperwork....so far, I have a total of ZERO requests.
No one "has to" do awful things to make ends meet...they can do what I did for many years...WORK A REGULAR JOB.
ImBasile...
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oh man chick...and i thought u were another shawn ray, am curious what you have done vs him? you got bbers insurance...correct? what else? did shawn do anything?
Shawn really wasnt there long enough to do anything...lets let my friend Wiggs chime in first, I'm sure he wouldnt have formed his opinion without knowing what he was talking about...
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Bob, listen to Derek Anthony's radio show and hear them talk about introducing themselves to you then minutes later you had forgotten that you had already just met them. I heard you were a nice guy but not the brightest in the pack. Guess that is why others use you because all you need is a badge and some authority and your head swells several sizes. Seems to me you have memory lapses already. Or could it be you are so self-centerred that you don't care about other bodybuilders and can't even remember that you just met them! What a stooge.
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Bob, listen to Derek Anthony's radio show and hear them talk about introducing themselves to you then minutes later you had forgotten that you had already just met them. I heard you were a nice guy but not the brightest in the pack. Guess that is why others use you because all you need is a badge and some authority and your head swells several sizes. Seems to me you have memory lapses already. Or could it be you are so self-centerred that you don't care about other bodybuilders and can't even remember that you just met them! What a stooge.
You know Chick better than his shrink! ;D
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Chick is the kind of "representaive" you find in African countries. He is well represented on the other side.. ::)
that is very true actually
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Bob, listen to Derek Anthony's radio show and hear them talk about introducing themselves to you then minutes later you had forgotten that you had already just met them. I heard you were a nice guy but not the brightest in the pack. Guess that is why others use you because all you need is a badge and some authority and your head swells several sizes. Seems to me you have memory lapses already. Or could it be you are so self-centerred that you don't care about other bodybuilders and can't even remember that you just met them! What a stooge.
someone ban this creepy old cu nt ::)
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I'm sure since you've taken this stance and formed your opinion, that you can readily list the proposals and changes I've had approved over the last 4 years, right?
Yes actually. We've been through this in a thread about a year ago. I never said you didn't get anything done. That's two different things.
IMO opinion the athletes rep as defined today and how it should be defined are two different things.
Example: Can you show me a handbook or bylaws of being an athletes rep? Answer: There is nothing because at the Olympia back in 01 I believe it was in the press conference when Titus was trying to go, Demilia was making things up on the stage...I was there and I believe you were also.
As an athletes rep, what if you were to disagree with something the IFBB wanted to enact, then what? How is that resolved? Bodybuilders have ZERO bargaining power. You can argue but the IFBB ultimately has the final say. In order to argue effectively the bodybuilder should have someone with a law degree that has worked with athletes before and leagues before...I know you'll be 100% against this but this person would be a Athletes Rep/Union Rep. This person shouldn't have the ability to run wild and go unaccounted for. There should be meetings at least twice a year at the big shows at the Arnold in March and the Olympia in September. All things said or info changed in these meetings should be confidential between the athletes and the athletes rep. Manion, Weinberger or anyone else shouldn't be allowed in these meeting (I only bring that up because I don't know if they are allowed in) out of fear of reprisal so athletes can speak freely. There should be a term limit for the athletes rep and they should have to be elected or re-elected every 3 years or 4 years).
There needs to be checks and balances...As of right now, The IFBB is the Executive Branch, Judicial and Legislative Branch.
The athletes rep position should be a paid position. Athletes would have to pay dues etc...BTW there should be a bodybuilder code of conduct and anyone in violation should be fined or suspended i.e...stripping, porn, selling or using RECREATIONAL drugs selling performance enhancing drugs, domestic violence and other crimes.
I could go on forever...
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Can you imagine being a top 10 Olympia guy? When you have been around for years you know the placings are inconsistent. Even the bodybuilders don't know why various guys win half of the time. If you do or say the wrong thing you can get the shaft. Witness what happened to Dexter this last year. Who would have predicted that? In a climate where small things make or break you the last thing you need is to be outspoken or controversial. So, smart guys tow the line and listen to the officials. They really do behave like sheep because the judging process isn't transparent and fair dinkum. They have an unelected rep because no competing bodybuilder would be that stupid to do such a job. Only an insider like Bob is given the job because it makes him sound important.
Nothing is going to change in this controlled men-in-thongs pageants. The rewards for the top few guys is sufficient to keep everyone in line.
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Yes actually. We've been through this in a thread about a year ago. I never said you didn't get anything done. That's two different things.
IMO opinion the athletes rep as defined today and how it should be defined are two different things.
Example: Can you show me a handbook or bylaws of being an athletes rep? Answer: There is nothing because at the Olympia back in 01 I believe it was in the press conference when Titus was trying to go, Demilia was making things up on the stage...I was there and I believe you were also.
As an athletes rep, what if you were to disagree with something the IFBB wanted to enact, then what? How is that resolved? Bodybuilders have ZERO bargaining power. You can argue but the IFBB ultimately has the final say. In order to argue effectively the bodybuilder should have someone with a law degree that has worked with athletes before and leagues before...I know you'll be 100% against this but this person would be a Athletes Rep/Union Rep. This person shouldn't have the ability to run wild and go unaccounted for. There should be meetings at least twice a year at the big shows at the Arnold in March and the Olympia in September. All things said or info changed in these meetings should be confidential between the athletes and the athletes rep. Manion, Weinberger or anyone else shouldn't be allowed in these meeting (I only bring that up because I don't know if they are allowed in) out of fear of reprisal so athletes can speak freely. There should be a term limit for the athletes rep and they should have to be elected or re-elected every 3 years or 4 years).
There needs to be checks and balances...As of right now, The IFBB is the Executive Branch, Judicial and Legislative Branch.
The athletes rep position should be a paid position. Athletes would have to pay dues etc...BTW there should be a bodybuilder code of conduct and anyone in violation should be fined or suspended i.e...stripping, porn, selling or using RECREATIONAL drugs selling performance enhancing drugs, domestic violence and other crimes.
I could go on forever...
Has Bob been appointed athletes' rep for life? :-\ are you saying that Bob have a limitless term and there's no plans for the position being up for election?
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The athletes rep position should be a paid position. Athletes would have to pay dues etc...BTW there should be a bodybuilder code of conduct and anyone in violation should be fined or suspended i.e...stripping, porn, selling or using RECREATIONAL drugs selling performance enhancing drugs, domestic violence and other crimes.
Lol, the only dues the "athlete's" pay are the ones to the IFBB to keep their pro statis.
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agreed
bobs time is def up and most certainly expired looooong ago
bodybuilders dont want some old geezer trying to represent them
lets get someone who looks like they dont need a walker to make it down the hallway
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agreed
bobs time is def up and most certainly expired looooong ago
bodybuilders dont want some old geezer trying to represent them
lets get someone who looks like they dont need a walker to make it down the hallway
;D :D