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« Reply #3200 on: April 20, 2020, 06:52:06 AM »
Nothing wrong with Herd Immunity but you need a Vaccine in place. It's like the 1st couple of chapters in Immunology.  People keep twisting shit.

Even if herd immunity only lasts for a year or 2 the bodys immune system does have a memory system so potentially it could recognise the virus and deal with it much faster if immunity was lost.

It will still spread, but for those who had moderate to severe symptoms it should be much milder. Only the immunocompromised would need vaccinating.

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« Reply #3201 on: April 20, 2020, 06:55:30 AM »
Even if herd immunity only lasts for a year or 2 the bodys immune system does have a memory system so potentially it could recognise the virus and deal with it much faster if immunity was lost.

It will still spread, but for those who had moderate to severe symptoms it should be much milder. Only the immunocompromised would need vaccinating.

Herd immunity will last. Sweden is right, everyone else has made a pathetic hysterical mistake.


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« Reply #3202 on: April 20, 2020, 07:23:41 AM »
Herd immunity will last. Sweden is right, everyone else has made a pathetic hysterical mistake.



Most places just weren't equipped to go with the herd immunity strategy or have too dense or too large a population to do it in one go.

Compare Sweden and its population of 10 million with London which has the same population. Swedish deaths are at 1600 and London is at 4000.

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« Reply #3203 on: April 20, 2020, 08:10:10 AM »
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« Reply #3204 on: April 20, 2020, 09:02:30 AM »
How DARE they!!

Don't they know people could die?

https://cdapress.com/news/2020/apr/18/rathdrum-woman-cited-for-violating-stay-home-5/

Good thing all the California neighbors who moved there called the Nazi,, er I mean police to inform and due their civic duty to the cause

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« Reply #3205 on: April 20, 2020, 09:11:14 AM »
The emperor has no clothes


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AP FACT CHECK: Trump's misdirection on virus testing, deaths

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump is falsely assigning blame to governors and the Obama administration for shortages in coronavirus testing.


For much of the week, he was pretender to a throne that didn't exist as he claimed king-like powers over the pandemic response and Congress. But by the weekend, he was again saying governors called the shots and they are the ones to blame — not the federal government, not him — for any testing problems.

He says governors aren’t using all the testing capacity that the federal government has created. It's not true.

Meanwhile, Trump denied praising China’s openness in the pandemic, when he’s on record doing so repeatedly, and declared victory over what he calls relatively low death rates in the U.S. But that’s too soon to tell.

A look at his recent rhetoric and its relationship with reality.

TESTING

TRUMP, on governors urging wider availability of virus tests: “They don’t want to use all of the capacity that we’ve created. We have tremendous capacity. ...They know that. The governors know that. The Democrat governors know that; they’re the ones that are complaining.” — news briefing Saturday.

THE FACTS: Trump’s assertion that governors are not using already available testing capacity is contradicted by one of his top health advisers. He’s also wrong that Democrats are the only ones expressing concerns about the adequacy of COVID-19 testing; several Republican governors also point to problems.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the federal government’s top infectious disease expert, told The Associated Press that the U.S. does not yet have the critical testing and tracing procedures needed to begin reopening the nation’s economy.

“We have to have something in place that is efficient and that we can rely on, and we’re not there yet,” Fauci, a member of the White House’s coronavirus task force, said Tuesday.

Among Fauci’s top concerns: that there will be new outbreaks in locations where social distancing has eased, and that public health officials don’t yet have the capabilities to rapidly test for the virus, isolate any new cases and track down everyone that an infected person came into contact with.

His concerns are echoed by several Republicans.

Wyoming Gov. Mark Gordon, a Republican, on Friday said his state’s testing capacity was inadequate and urged a larger role for the federal government.

He said states have been competing with each other to try to get more testing supplies, a process he described as “a slog.”

“It’s a perilous set of circumstances trying to figure out how to make this work, and until we’ve got the testing up to speed — which has got to be part of the federal government stepping in and helping — we’re just not going to be there.”

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine, a Republican, plans to keep applying pressure on the Food and Drug Administration to address the rationing of a key component that is necessary to produce tests. He said full testing capacity can’t be reached unless it is more widely distributed.

Republican Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan on Sunday called the lack of virus testing “probably the No. 1 problem in America, and has been from the beginning of this crisis.”

“And I can tell you, I talk to governors on both sides of the aisle nearly every single day,” he said on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “The administration, I think, is trying to ramp up testing, and trying — they are doing some things with respect to private labs. But to try to push this off to say that the governors have plenty of testing, and they should just get to work on testing, somehow we aren’t doing our job, is just absolutely false. ”

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TRUMP: “Some partisan voices are attempting to politicize the issue of testing, which they shouldn’t be doing, because I inherited broken junk.” — news briefing Saturday.

TRUMP: “We inherited a broken, terrible system.” — news briefing Saturday.

THE FACTS: His repeated insistence that the Obama administration is to blame for initial delays in testing is wrong. The novel coronavirus did not exist until late last year, so there was no test to inherit.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention instead struggled to develop its own test for the coronavirus in January, later discovering problems in its kits sent to state and county public health labs in early February.

It took the CDC more than two weeks to come up with a fix to the test kits, leading to delays in diagnoses through February, a critical month when the virus took root in the U.S. Not until Feb. 29 did the FDA decide to allow labs to develop and use their own coronavirus diagnostic tests before the agency reviews them, speeding up the supply. Previously, the FDA had only authorized use of a government test developed by the CDC.

Meantime the U.S. bypassed a test that the World Health Organization quickly made available internationally. Trump has said that test was flawed; it wasn’t.

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DEATH RATES

TRUMP: “The United States has produced dramatically better health outcomes than any other country. ... On a per capita basis, our mortality rate is far lower than other nations of Western Europe, with the lone exception of possibly Germany. ... You hear we have more death. But we’re a much bigger country than any of those countries by far.“ — news briefing Saturday.

THE FACTS: His suggestion that the U.S. response to the coronavirus has been better than many other countries’ because its mortality rate is “far lower” is unsupported and misleading.

In each country, for instance, the age and overall health of the population are important factors. Many countries in western Europe such as Italy have an older population than the U.S., and seniors are at an especially high risk of death from COVID-19.

Beyond age, underlying health conditions increase risk, too. Indeed, an AP analysis of available state and local data found nearly one-third of U.S. deaths are among African Americans, with black people representing about 14% of the population in the areas covered in the analysis. Health conditions such as obesity, diabetes and asthma are more common in the black community.

But more broadly, it’s too early to know the real death rate from COVID-19 in any country. Look at a count kept by Johns Hopkins University, and you can divide the number of recorded deaths with the number of reported cases. The math nevertheless provides a completely unreliable measurement of death rates, and the Johns Hopkins tally is not intended to be that.

First, the count changes every day as new infections and deaths are recorded.

More important, every country is testing differently. Knowing the real denominator, the true number of people who become infected, is key to determining what portion of them die. Some countries, the U.S. among them, have had trouble making enough tests available. When there’s a shortage of tests, the sickest get tested first. Even with a good supply of tests, someone who’s otherwise healthy and has mild symptoms may not be tested and thus go uncounted.

The only way to tell how many went uncounted early on is to do a completely different kind of testing — blood tests of the population to find how many people bear immune system antibodies to the virus, something only now starting in selected places.

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TRUMP: “China has just announced a doubling in the number of their deaths from the Invisible Enemy. It is far higher than that and far higher than the U.S., not even close!” — tweet Friday.

THE FACTS: It’s the reverse, more than 4,600 recorded deaths in China compared with more than 36,000 in the United States. And the notion that China can overtake the U.S. in a final accounting of the dead is a long shot right now.

Even with the upward revision Friday of Chinese deaths — which was not a doubling, as Trump claimed — the recorded U.S. death toll is about seven times higher than China’s, according to the count by Johns Hopkins University as of Friday night. And China has more than four times more people.

The full picture is not known in either country. Trump routinely manipulates information to make the U.S response to the coronavirus pandemic look better than it is. China’s secretive leadership obscured the severity of the crisis for crucial weeks, and its numbers remain in question.

As well, deaths from the virus have not been fully reported in either country because the pandemic is still raging in the U.S. and still being accounted for in China.

But for China to surpass the U.S. in this count, it would have to be underreporting deaths by the tens of thousands, and deaths in the U.S. would have to nosedive from the current trend and projections.

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CHINA vs. US

TRUMP: “China was supposed to catch us. ... For years, I’ve heard, ‘By 2019, China will catch us.’ There’s only one problem: Trump got elected in 2016. That was a big difference. And we were going leaps and bounds above China.” — news briefing Saturday.

THE FACTS: No matter who got elected in 2016 — Trump or Democrat Hillary Clinton — China’s economy could not have caught up to America’s.

Even if the U.S. economy had not grown at all since 2016, China’s gross domestic product — the broadest measure of economic output — would have had to have surged by 79% in three years to pull even with America’s. That comes to growth of more than 21% a year — something even China’s super-charged economy has never approached.

Before the coronavirus outbreak, the Chinese economy had been slowly narrowing the gap because every year it grows much faster than America’s. In 2019, for example, the International Monetary Fund predicted Chinese GDP to increase 6.2%, more than double the 2.6% growth it expects for the United States. The global pandemic isn’t expected to change that trend line: last week, the IMF said the U.S economy will fall 5.9% this year and China’s will manage to grow 1.2%.

That means China has got a long way to go to surpass the U.S., whether Trump is president or not.

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EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY

TRUMP: “Some in the Fake News Media are saying that it is the Governors decision to open up the states, not that of the President of the United States & the Federal Government. Let it be fully understood that this is incorrect ... It is the decision of the President.” — tweets on April 13.

TRUMP, asked about his level of authority to reopen the country: “I have the ultimate authority.... They can’t do anything without the approval of the president of the United States.” — news briefing on April 13.

THE FACTS: The federal government did not close down the country and won’t be reopening it. Restrictions on public gatherings, workplaces, mobility, store operations, schools and more were ordered by states and communities, not Washington. The federal government has imposed border controls; otherwise its social distancing actions are mostly recommendations, not mandates.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency, knocking down a series of false rumors about the coronavirus, makes clear that “states and cities are responsible for announcing curfews, shelters in place, or other restrictions and safety measures.”

Trump has argued that states and communities imposed restrictions because he let them and that he can overrule their decisions. Constitutional experts disagree.

“The president can un-declare his national emergency declarations, which freed up federal funds and provided assistance to state and local governments,” said Walter Dellinger, a former acting U.S. solicitor general. “But he has no federal statutory or constitutional power to override steps taken by governors and mayors under state law. He has never understood that he lacks a general power to rule by decree.”

The federal government does have broad constitutional authority over states on things that cross state lines and involve the entire nation, such as regulating interstate commerce and immigration, levying taxes or declaring war. What Trump is proposing, however, is different. He is wading into states’ sharply defined powers to protect public health.

Asked what authority he had to make such an assertion of presidential power, Trump promised earlier in the week that he would provide a legal memorandum supporting his view. By Thursday, he hadn't and he told governors that day they could reopen states when they deem appropriate.

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TRUMP: “If the House will not agree to that adjournment, I will exercise my constitutional authority to adjourn both chambers of Congress.” — news briefing Wednesday.

THE FACTS: His power to adjourn Congress is highly questionable.

The Constitution does not spell out a unilateral power for the president to adjourn Congress. It states only that he can decide on adjournment if there is a dispute over that matter between the House and Senate. Such a disagreement does not exist, nor is it likely to arise.

Constitutional scholar Jonathan Turley said on Twitter the Constitution gives a president authority in “extraordinary occasions” to convene or adjourn Congress. But, he said, “This power has never been used and should not be used now.”

Trump is unhappy that Congress has refused to fully adjourn during most breaks. Because Congress is still formally in session, Trump can't circumvent Congress and unilaterally put his nominees for various positions to work in the jobs he wants them to have. Lawmakers also used the tactic of holding off on adjournment to thwart some of President Barack Obama’s nominees.

Doug Andres, a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said McConnell will find ways to confirm nominees essential to the pandemic response but Senate rules will require that the Democratic leader, Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, give consent to move forward on them.

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WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION

TRUMP, explaining in part why he is freezing money to the World Health Organization: “The WHO willingly took China’s assurances to face value, and they took it just at face value and defended the actions of the Chinese government, even praising China for its so-called transparency. I don’t think so.” — news briefing Tuesday.

TRUMP, asked about his past praise of China: “I don’t talk about China’s transparency.” — news briefing Tuesday.

THE FACTS: He did praise China's transparency as well as its overall performance in the pandemic.

While it's true that WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus complimented China's response, Trump early on similarly took China's assurances at face value.

In a CNBC interview on Jan. 22, Trump was asked if he trusted information from China about the coronavirus. "I do,” Trump said. “I have a great relationship with President Xi.”

Two days later, he was even more effusive. “China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus,” he tweeted. "The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. ...I want to thank President Xi!"

Trump kept up the compliments when asked several times in February about whether data from China can be trusted,. He called Xi “extremely capable” and said he's “doing a very good job with a very, very tough situation.”

Such praise faded as the pandemic hit hard in the U.S. and the federal response stumbled. The time was ripe for scapegoats. It also become clearer that China had not been forthcoming at the start.

On March 21, Trump said of his earlier remarks: “China was transparent at that time, but when we saw what happened, they could have been transparent much earlier than they were." In any event, his denial that he ever praised China's openness is false.

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3206 on: April 20, 2020, 09:47:11 AM »
TRUTH.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/inconsistent-ihme-model-changes-again-to-project-8-000-fewer-coronavirus-deaths-than-previous-week

Erratic IHME model changes again to project 8,000 fewer coronavirus deaths than previous week.

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The coronavirus projection model from the University of Washington's Institute of Health Metrics and Evaluation again revised the number of expected COVID-19 deaths to project 8,000 fewer overall U.S. deaths than it did the previous week.

The IHME model is possibly the most prominent of all available projection models, and likely has influence in state and federal government decisions about when to relax the social distancing policies, which have been deemed necessary to slow the spread of the virus, but that have had disastrous economic impact nationwide.

The new projection: On Friday, the IHME model projected a total of 60,308 U.S. COVID-19 deaths, with an estimate range of 34,063 to 140,381. On April 13, it projected 68,841 deaths and a range of 30,188 to 175,965.

The IHME model produced the projections that led President Donald Trump and the White House coronavirus response task force to announce that even if Americans did everything right, as many as 240,000 people would die of the coronavirus by the end of the summer.
The model has also overestimated the number of hospitalizations and the number of needed ventilators, and those projections have had political implications and also been economically damaging for health care providers that shut down all nonessential medical procedures to prepare for COVID-19 surges that, in some areas, never arrived.

What's the problem? The IHME model's method of producing projections has led to inaccuracy and volatility, both of which make it unhelpful for forming public health policy, according to STAT News. The model looks at the progression of the virus in other countries with earlier outbreaks, tries to determine where the U.S. fits on that bell curve progression, and produces projections from there.

The model assumes that the U.S. curve will mimic the curve in other countries, without accounting for all the variables such as differences in social distancing policy and different timing for implementing those policies. Because it is a statistical model that started with very little U.S. data, it can shift significantly every time new U.S. data is added to the model.

The IHME model has been inaccurate even when projecting the next day, STAT News reported, with next-day deaths falling outside the projected range 70% of the time.

"That the IHME model keeps changing is evidence of its lack of reliability as a predictive tool," said epidemiologist Ruth Etzioni of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center, according to STAT News. Etzioni has served on a search committee for IHME. "That it is being used for policy decisions and its results interpreted wrongly is a travesty unfolding before our eyes."

This whole thing is total fake bullcrap.

Open the country for business.

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3207 on: April 20, 2020, 09:57:53 AM »
UK yearly death stats from Jan 1st to first week in April

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« Reply #3208 on: April 20, 2020, 10:08:32 AM »
UK yearly death stats from Jan 1st to first week in April


Exactly.. more people aren't dying, they are just changing the cause of death itself.

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« Reply #3209 on: April 20, 2020, 10:12:55 AM »
UK yearly death stats from Jan 1st to first week in April


Look deeper. Until the last few weeks of March the death numbers in the UK were below the 5 year average.

First week of April they jumped 60% above the 5 year average for the week.

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« Reply #3210 on: April 20, 2020, 10:16:07 AM »
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52349729


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« Reply #3211 on: April 20, 2020, 10:18:00 AM »
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« Reply #3212 on: April 20, 2020, 11:02:01 AM »
Look deeper. Until the last few weeks of March the death numbers in the UK were below the 5 year average.

First week of April they jumped 60% above the 5 year average for the week.

the full data each week


a significant jump in the last week , but overall we are still within average, the flu season will be over in a couple of weeks, the stats will start dropping , just as they do every year

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« Reply #3213 on: April 20, 2020, 11:09:35 AM »
the full data each week


a significant jump in the last week , but overall we are still within average, the flu season will be over in a couple of weeks, the stats will start dropping , just as they do every year

That line looks within the average, nothing to see here....


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« Reply #3214 on: April 20, 2020, 11:21:45 AM »
More than 1,800 inmates at Marion prison test positive for coronavirus [OHIO]
WCMH TV ^ | April 19, 2020 | WCHM Staff
Posted on 4/20/2020, 2:14:36 PM by buckalfa

MARION, Ohio (WCMH) — More than 1,800 inmates at Marion Correctional Institution have tested positive for COVID-19 coronavirus.

As of Sunday, 1,828 Marion Correctional inmates have tested positive, along with 109 staff members. Of the 1,828 cases, 38 are currently receiving outside hospital level care, according to an Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction spokesperson.

There are approximately 2,500 inmates in the Marion Correctional Institution.

One staff death was announced on April 8, corrections officer John Dawson. No inmates at Marion Correctional have died.

According to the ODRC, mass testing has been instituted at Marion Correctional, as well as Pickaway Correctional and the Franklin Medical Center.

“Because we are testing everyone – including those who are not showing symptoms – we are getting positive test results on individuals who otherwise would have never been tested because they were asymptomatic,” ODRC said in its daily release of information.

Individuals who test positive are placed in an area of the facility which is separate from the general population, ODRC’s statement said.

“Also, our comprehensive testing approach of staff and inmates has assisted us in identifying asymptomatic individuals who have tested positive who can now be isolated from others in order to prevent further spread,” the statement said.

Throughout Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction facilities, 2,400 inmates have tested positive and 637 have tested negative.

According to Marion Public Health, as of Saturday, there are 80 community spread cases in the county, leading to one death. Including the prison testing, the county now has the most reported coronavirus cases in the state.

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« Reply #3215 on: April 20, 2020, 02:26:08 PM »
What keeps this going is the inherent contradiction that prevention of the virus causes extension of the virus. There is no way to prevent this until we find a vaccine, so we can only wait until we have herd immunity. But being this strict about isolation means the longer it will take for us to get herd immunity. This is all about hospital capacity and the media is causing the hospital overflow by telling anyone with any symptoms of a cold to go straight to the hospital to see if they have Corona Virus. The media and "experts" should tell people the truth, that if you are young and healthy without any previous medical conditions, it is ok to just isolate yourself and ride the cold out unless you get life threatening symptoms. And with proper access to testing, people could just check if they have it anywhere and go home to ride it out. Instead they are instructed to go to the hospital, where they are giving their virus to others including hospital workers as well as using up vital resources when all they needed was Nyquil.

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« Reply #3216 on: April 20, 2020, 02:31:06 PM »
Look deeper. Until the last few weeks of March the death numbers in the UK were below the 5 year average.

First week of April they jumped 60% above the 5 year average for the week.


How many 'British' Pakis died from Chinaflu ?.

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« Reply #3217 on: April 20, 2020, 02:49:23 PM »

How many 'British' Pakis died from Chinaflu ?.

Don't have numbers, but last time I checked which was a few weeks ago the percentage of pakis dying was roughly at the same ratio as their numbers as a percentage of the population. Whites deaths were about half, blacks double. Mixed race deaths were really low.

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Just checked latest stats. Most deaths by race are representative of the population. Only black Caribbeans were the outlier with nearly treble the expected deaths.

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« Reply #3218 on: April 20, 2020, 02:56:15 PM »
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« Reply #3219 on: April 20, 2020, 03:13:48 PM »
At this point, why contain it?

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« Reply #3220 on: April 20, 2020, 03:29:15 PM »
More than 1,800 inmates at Marion prison test positive for coronavirus [OHIO]
WCMH TV ^ | April 19, 2020 | WCHM Staff
Posted on 4/20/2020, 2:14:36 PM by buckalfa

MARION, Ohio (WCMH) — More than 1,800 inmates at Marion Correctional Institution have tested positive for COVID-19 coronavirus.

As of Sunday, 1,828 Marion Correctional inmates have tested positive, along with 109 staff members. Of the 1,828 cases, 38 are currently receiving outside hospital level care, according to an Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction spokesperson.

There are approximately 2,500 inmates in the Marion Correctional Institution.

One staff death was announced on April 8, corrections officer John Dawson. No inmates at Marion Correctional have died.

According to the ODRC, mass testing has been instituted at Marion Correctional, as well as Pickaway Correctional and the Franklin Medical Center.

“Because we are testing everyone – including those who are not showing symptoms – we are getting positive test results on individuals who otherwise would have never been tested because they were asymptomatic,” ODRC said in its daily release of information.

Individuals who test positive are placed in an area of the facility which is separate from the general population, ODRC’s statement said.

“Also, our comprehensive testing approach of staff and inmates has assisted us in identifying asymptomatic individuals who have tested positive who can now be isolated from others in order to prevent further spread,” the statement said.

Throughout Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction facilities, 2,400 inmates have tested positive and 637 have tested negative.

According to Marion Public Health, as of Saturday, there are 80 community spread cases in the county, leading to one death. Including the prison testing, the county now has the most reported coronavirus cases in the state.

Is anyone here catching the numbers?  Any comment?

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« Reply #3221 on: April 20, 2020, 03:49:36 PM »
Is anyone here catching the numbers?  Any comment?

Given prison food is pretty much slop, can you imagine the crap the general population must have been eating for years on end to be dying from covid.

It's hard to feel sorry for a lot of these people.

Darwinism.

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« Reply #3222 on: April 20, 2020, 05:54:53 PM »
Given prison food is pretty much slop, can you imagine the crap the general population must have been eating for years on end to be dying from covid.

It's hard to feel sorry for a lot of these people.

Darwinism.

It doesn't appear many (if any) are dying.

Also: “Because we are testing everyone – including those who are not showing symptoms – we are getting positive test results on individuals who otherwise would have never been tested because they were asymptomatic,” ODRC said in its daily release of information.

I think we're going to figure out that the infection rate, everywhere, has been extremely high.  And while a very small percentage of a very large number does make a large number in its own right, we will find that it only shows what an incredibly screwed response we've given.

Our limited resources should have been used on the most vulnerable individuals, and our society absolutely should not have remained shut down so long.

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« Reply #3223 on: April 20, 2020, 06:09:40 PM »
It doesn't appear many (if any) are dying.

Also: “Because we are testing everyone – including those who are not showing symptoms – we are getting positive test results on individuals who otherwise would have never been tested because they were asymptomatic,” ODRC said in its daily release of information.

I think we're going to figure out that the infection rate, everywhere, has been extremely high.  And while a very small percentage of a very large number does make a large number in its own right, we will find that it only shows what an incredibly screwed response we've given.

Our limited resources should have been used on the most vulnerable individuals, and our society absolutely should not have remained shut down so long.

who cares about people who die because of this right?

Over 9 million Americans lost health insurance amid coronavirus pandemic, analysis finds

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/coronavirus-health-insurance-195215406.html


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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3224 on: April 20, 2020, 06:29:53 PM »
who cares about people who die because of this right?

Over 9 million Americans lost health insurance amid coronavirus pandemic, analysis finds

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/coronavirus-health-insurance-195215406.html



Agreed.  On the surface, we are acting to save the vulnerable, which we are naturally driven to do.  But going deeper, we find we are working against them as much we are working against ourselves.

It doesn't add up.