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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3625 on: May 13, 2020, 04:04:14 AM »
It’s not about the virus. It never was:


Democrats unveil $3 trillion Covid relief package and plan to vote this week - CNNPolitics


https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/12/politics/3-trillion-aid-package-democrats-house/index.html

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3626 on: May 13, 2020, 04:16:26 AM »
It’s not about the virus. It never was:


Democrats unveil $3 trillion Covid relief package and plan to vote this week - CNNPolitics


https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/12/politics/3-trillion-aid-package-democrats-house/index.html

it was written last year..https://www.facebook.com/munawarwmalik/videos/1432398130280439/

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3627 on: May 13, 2020, 04:35:48 AM »
Sweden’s Coronavirus Strategy Will Soon Be the World’s
Herd Immunity Is the Only Realistic Option—The Question Is How to Get There Safely
By Nils Karlson, Charlotta Stern, and Daniel B. Klein
May 12, 2020

Students celebrate their graduation in Stockholm, April 2020
Andres Kudacki / The New York Times / Redux
China placed 50 million people under quarantine in Wuhan Province in January. Since then, many liberal democracies have taken aggressive authoritarian measures of their own to fight the novel coronavirus. By mid-March, almost all Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) countries had implemented some combination of school, university, workplace, and public transportation closures; restrictions on public events; and limits on domestic and international travel. One country, however, stands out as an exception in the West.

Rather than declare a lockdown or a state of emergency, Sweden asked its citizens to practice social distancing on a mostly voluntary basis. Swedish authorities imposed some restrictions designed to flatten the curve: no public gatherings of more than 50 people, no bar service, distance learning in high schools and universities, and so on. But they eschewed harsh controls, fines, and policing. Swedes have changed their behavior, but not as profoundly as the citizens of other Western democracies. Many restaurants remain open, although they are lightly trafficked; young children are still in school. And in contrast to neighboring Norway (and some Asian countries), Sweden has not introduced location-tracing technologies or apps, thus avoiding threats to privacy and personal autonomy.

Swedish authorities have not officially declared a goal of reaching herd immunity, which most scientists believe is achieved when more than 60 percent of the population has had the virus. But augmenting immunity is no doubt part of the government’s broader strategy—or at least a likely consequence of keeping schools, restaurants, and most businesses open. Anders Tegnell, the chief epidemiologist at Sweden’s Public Health Agency, has projected that the city of Stockholm could reach herd immunity as early as this month. Based on updated behavioral assumptions (social-distancing norms are changing how Swedes behave), the Stockholm University mathematician Tom Britton has calculated that 40 percent immunity in the capital could be enough to stop the virus’s spread there and that this could happen by mid-June.

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Sweden has won praise in some quarters for preserving at least some semblance of economic normalcy and keeping its per capita death rate lower than those of Belgium, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain, and the United Kingdom. But it has come in for criticism in other quarters for exceeding the per capita death rates of other Nordic countries and in particular, for failing to protect its elderly and immigrant populations. People receiving nursing and elder-care services account for upward of 50 percent of COVID-19 deaths in Sweden, according to Tegnell, in part because many facilities were grievously slow to implement basic protective measures such as mask wearing. Immigrants have also suffered disproportionately, mainly because they are poorer on average and tend to work in the service sector, where working remotely is usually impossible. But Swedish authorities have argued that the country’s higher death rate will appear comparatively lower in hindsight. Efforts to contain the virus are doomed to fail in many countries, and a large percentage of people will be infected in the end. When much of the world experiences a deadly second wave, Sweden will have the worst of the pandemic behind it.


When much of the world experiences a deadly second wave, Sweden will have the worst of the pandemic behind it.
Sweden’s response has not been perfect, but it has succeeded in bolstering immunity among the young and the healthy—those at the lowest risk of serious complications from COVID-19—while also flattening the curve. The country’s intensive care units have not been overrun, and hospital staffs, although under strain, have at least not had to juggle additional childcare responsibilities because daycares and lower schools continue to operate.   

Whether or not they have openly embraced the Swedish approach, many other countries are now trying to emulate aspects of it. Both Denmark and Finland have reopened schools for young children. Germany is allowing small shops to reopen. Italy will soon reopen parks, and France has a plan to allow some nonessential businesses to reopen, including farmers’ markets and small museums, as well as schools and daycare centers. In the United States, which has by far the highest absolute number of reported COVID-19 deaths, several states are easing restrictions at the urging of President Donald Trump, who despite bashing the Swedish model, is pushing the country toward something very similar.

There are good reasons for countries to begin easing their restrictions. It will take several years to tally the total number of deaths, bankruptcies, layoffs, suicides, mental health problems, losses to GDP and investments, and other costs attributable not just to the virus but to the measures used to fight it. It should already be obvious, however, that the economic and social costs of lockdowns are enormous: estimates from the OECD suggest that every month of pandemic-related restrictions will shrink the economies of advanced countries by two percent. France, Germany, Italy, Spain, the United Kingdom, and the United States, according to the OECD, will see their economies shrink by more than 25 percent within a year. Unemployment is rising to levels unheard of since the 1930s—fueling political backlash and deepening social divisions.


Lockdowns are simply not sustainable for the amount of time that it will likely take to develop a vaccine.
Lockdowns are simply not sustainable for the amount of time that it will likely take to develop a vaccine. Letting up will reduce economic, social, and political pressures. It may also allow populations to build an immunity that will end up being the least bad way of fighting COVID-19 in the long run. Much about the disease remains poorly understood, but countries that are locked down now could very well face new and even more severe outbreaks down the road. If these countries follow the Swedish path to herd immunity, the total cost of the pandemic will decrease, and it will likely end sooner.

Sweden’s approach to COVID-19 reflects the country’s distinctive culture, and aspects of it may not be easy to replicate elsewhere. In particular, reliance on official recommendations and individual responsibility may not travel well beyond Scandinavia. Sweden is a special country characterized by high levels of trust—not just between people but between people and government institutions. Swedes were primed to take voluntary recommendations seriously in a way that citizens of other nations may not be.

Swedes are also generally healthier than citizens of many other countries, so additional precautions may be necessary to protect the infirm in other parts of the world. Countries lifting restrictions should also learn from Sweden’s missteps when it comes to the elderly and immigrants: masks and other protective equipment should be made immediately available in nursing homes, and greater emphasis should be placed on protecting service-sector workers who are at higher risk because of age or infirmity. But the emphasis must be on helping at-risk people stay safe and out of harm’s way, not locking entire societies down.

As scientists learn more about the virus and authorities develop new and better ways to work around the contagion—altering the parameters for calculating herd immunity to account for behavioral changes, for instance—the justification for general lockdowns grows weaker and weaker. Even in places like the United States and the United Kingdom, where the pool of at-risk people is much larger, the cost of protecting these people is much lower than forcing everyone to stay home. Managing the path to herd immunity means, above all, protecting the vulnerable. Sweden learned that the hard way, but the situation there is now under control.

As the pain of national lockdowns grows intolerable and countries realize that managing—rather than defeating—the pandemic is the only realistic option, more and more of them will begin to open up. Smart social distancing to keep health-care systems from being overwhelmed, improved therapies for the afflicted, and better protections for at-risk groups can help reduce the human toll. But at the end of the day, increased—and ultimately, herd—immunity may be the only viable defense against the disease, so long as vulnerable groups are protected along the way. Whatever marks Sweden deserves for managing the pandemic, other nations are beginning to see that it is ahead of the curve.

AUTHOR BIO
NILS KARLSON is Professor of Political Science at Linköping University and President and CEO of the Ratio Institute.
CHARLOTTA STERN is Professor of Sociology in Work and Organization at Stockholm University and Deputy CEO of the Ratio Institute.
DANIEL B. KLEIN is Professor of Economics and JIN Chair at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University and Associate Fellow of the Ratio Institute.

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Source URL: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/sweden/2020-05-12/swedens-coronavirus-strategy-will-soon-be-worlds

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3628 on: May 13, 2020, 04:38:02 AM »
What we should have done all along.  In a pandemic you quarantine the sick not the healthy.  What else should we expect in this ass backwards culture?

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3629 on: May 13, 2020, 06:20:12 AM »
you trust CNN?

meanwhile




the asymptomatics are transitioning into thin lizards before the terrapins take over




https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/believe-it-or-not-ripley-the-terrapin-fails-to-relieve-lockdown-stress-998507.html




Wait what? Are we transforming into thin Lizards?
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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3630 on: May 13, 2020, 07:09:05 AM »

Wait what? Are we transforming into thin Lizards?

The virus mutates on a daily basis in order to conform to the narrative.

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3632 on: May 13, 2020, 07:10:57 AM »
you trust CNN?

meanwhile




the asymptomatics are transitioning into thin lizards before the terrapins take over




https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/believe-it-or-not-ripley-the-terrapin-fails-to-relieve-lockdown-stress-998507.html



Would you prefer FOX?

Nearly 400 workers at Missouri pork plant, all asymptomatic, test positive for coronavirus – FOX6Now.com


https://fox6now.com/2020/05/05/nearly-400-workers-at-missouri-pork-plant-all-asymptomatic-test-positive-for-coronavirus/

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3633 on: May 13, 2020, 08:14:39 AM »
Would you prefer FOX?

Nearly 400 workers at Missouri pork plant, all asymptomatic, test positive for coronavirus – FOX6Now.com


https://fox6now.com/2020/05/05/nearly-400-workers-at-missouri-pork-plant-all-asymptomatic-test-positive-for-coronavirus/

What the hell is with all these cases in meat factories? It's fucking digusting. I cant imagine the stink and shit enviroment it must be.
Think I'm gonna pay more and stick with local butcher with some ethical farming practices. Fuck these huge slaughter shit holes.

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« Reply #3634 on: May 13, 2020, 09:06:44 AM »
Climate Dwarf is yet another media appointed expert.

The Gullible: "Oh yeah, I'd like to see you to sit down and debate her."


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« Reply #3635 on: May 13, 2020, 09:37:29 AM »
Analysis of Virginia COVID-19 Data
Virginia Department of Health ^ | 5-13-20 | jhl
Posted on 5/13/2020, 12:15:13 PM by JHL

The Virginia Department of Health recently added more detailed demographic and outbreak data to its Coronavirus data website.

The website only reports numbers, not percentages; but by doing a little simple math, interesting facts present themselves:

Statistics for Long-term Care Facilities (e.g. Nursing Homes):
58.8% of all deaths in Virginia were associated with Long-term care facilities.

Contracting the virus in a long-term care facility is not an automatic death sentence:

85.6% of patients who contract the virus in a long-term care facility survive.
This is contrary to the perception we are given, that outbreaks in a nursing home inevitably result in total death of all residents in the facility.

Death by age group:
91.4% of all deaths in Virginia were age 60 or above

If you are 60+, and catch the virus, you had a 87.8% chance of recovering.

If your are under age 60 and catch the virus, you had a 99.6% chance of recovering.

Statistical retrospective survival rate by age group (the probability that you would survive the disease if you were to contract COVID-19):

Age Group   Survival Rate
80+   75.7%
70-79   87.5%
60-69   95.4%
50-59   98.9%
40-49   99.6%
30-39   99.9%
20-29   99.9%
0-19   100%


As of this date, of the 927 reported deaths, no one in Virginia under the age of 20 has died from COVID-19.

Virginia's website does not report co-morbidity data, but it would be interesting to analyze the numbers associated with survival and no co-morbidity.

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« Reply #3636 on: May 13, 2020, 09:38:00 AM »
GTFO - you got to be kidding me.  WTF

Climate Dwarf is yet another media appointed expert.

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« Reply #3637 on: May 13, 2020, 09:57:51 AM »
What the hell is with all these cases in meat factories? It's fucking digusting. I cant imagine the stink and shit enviroment it must be.
Think I'm gonna pay more and stick with local butcher with some ethical farming practices. Fuck these huge slaughter shit holes.

My guess is that there is something else about working in that environment that causes them to come up positive on the test. It just doesn’t make sense that everybody would be asymptomatic. What does make sense is that the tests are flawed.


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« Reply #3639 on: May 13, 2020, 10:17:18 AM »
And the disgraceful embarrassment continues across America.

The weak, stupid, cowards are winning.

The virus remains a joke. The shut down is only beginning to show its devastation.

Burn your mask.
Kill your television.
Do not stay home.
Do not social distance.
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« Reply #3640 on: May 13, 2020, 10:31:26 AM »
And the disgraceful embarrassment continues across America.

The weak, stupid, cowards are winning.

The virus remains a joke. The shut down is only beginning to show its devastation.

Burn your mask.
Kill your television.
Do not stay home.
Do not social distance.
Enjoy jail.

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« Reply #3641 on: May 13, 2020, 11:43:45 AM »
I don't see the problem.

Before the Coronavirus I was staying home in my basement and not meeting people.

And now I'm staying home in my basement and not meeting people.




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« Reply #3642 on: May 13, 2020, 11:51:29 AM »
I don't see the problem.

Before the Coronavirus I was staying home in my basement and not meeting people.

And now I'm staying home in my basement and not meeting people.
Introverts lives haven't changed at all.  It is the norm.

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« Reply #3643 on: May 13, 2020, 12:09:11 PM »
What we should have done all along.  In a pandemic you quarantine the sick not the healthy.  What else should we expect in this ass backwards culture?

It is no different now. The sick are quarantined. -Problem is, it's not always obvious who's sick and who isn't. Wearing a mask and avoiding going out is not being in quarantine. Whether the government should shut down the economy (and businesses) in an effort to avoid the spread of the virus is a different issue.
 

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« Reply #3644 on: May 13, 2020, 12:20:35 PM »

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« Reply #3645 on: May 13, 2020, 12:26:35 PM »
Covid-19 is so brutal a 113 year old woman "survives" it.  ::)

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« Reply #3646 on: May 13, 2020, 12:28:46 PM »
My guess is that there is something else about working in that environment that causes them to come up positive on the test. It just doesn’t make sense that everybody would be asymptomatic. What does make sense is that the tests are flawed.

Or all of them had the virus but showed zero symptoms like the majority of people.

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« Reply #3647 on: May 13, 2020, 12:36:48 PM »
Covid-19 is so brutal a 113 year old woman "survives" it.  ::)

Yeah, how about that? One very old lady survives it and millions of other young, middle aged, old and/or sick people don't. COVID-19 is definitely not "brutal."  ::) ::)

Whatever that 113 year old woman is doing she's must be doing it right. -Wish she'd let me in on her secret.

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« Reply #3648 on: May 13, 2020, 12:52:23 PM »
Yeah, how about that? One very old lady survives it and millions of other young, middle aged, old and/or sick people don't. COVID-19 is definitely not "brutal."  ::) ::)

Whatever that 113 year old woman is doing she's must be doing it right. -Wish she'd let me in on her secret.
Just like millions die from the flu and it's not treated like the Kung Flu.

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« Reply #3649 on: May 13, 2020, 01:11:20 PM »
Broadway actor Nick Cordero wakes from coma

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-52645276

A Broadway actor who had his right leg amputated while fighting Covid-19 has woken up from a medically induced coma, his wife has revealed.

The 41-year old Canadian actor, who was nominated for a Tony Award for the Bullets Over Broadway musical, has been in hospital in Los Angeles since the end of March.