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Re: how can you make light heavier
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2013, 07:50:45 PM »
light has a weight/mass thus it is matter

You clearly know very little about science, so let's see if we can maybe answer in a way that you can understand: Calling a plantain a banana won't make it a banana.

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Re: how can you make light heavier
« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2013, 07:51:56 PM »
yes i said the speed was constant bro look what you quoted from me

wavelength is compression or decompression

The light does slow down in different mediums however - sorry your post was unclear.

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Re: how can you make light heavier
« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2013, 07:54:50 PM »
You clearly know very little about science, so let's see if we can maybe answer in a way that you can understand: Calling a plantain a banana won't make it a banana.
color doesnt even exist, our brain inteprets sound and form into colors

what really exists is form and sound

as for matter a ray of light is so decompressed it seemingly has no matter
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Re: how can you make light heavier
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2013, 08:08:40 PM »
color doesnt even exist, our brain inteprets sound and form into colors

No, our brains interpret the wavelength of electromagnetic radiation, as perceived through the rods and cones in our eyes, as different colors. Color exists in the sense that it's how we perceive the gradations of the visible portion of the light spectrum.


what really exists is form and sound

Yes... "form" and "sound".  ???


as for matter a ray of light is so decompressed it seemingly has no matter

You showcase the intelligence of a flash-frozen turkey. You use words but say nothing; you just mumble incoherent sentences about random topics the way a monkey flings shit in random directions.

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Re: how can you make light heavier
« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2013, 03:32:36 PM »
light has a weight/mass thus it is matter



Light has energy/momentum (E=pc) but no mass.  If it had mass it could not travel at the "speed of light."  Since it travels at the speed of light, it cannot have mass. 

The "rest energy" equation E=mc^2 is just the first term in an infinite taylor series expansion.  If you consider the classical form of momentum (p=mv) and take the velocity to be the speed of light (v=c), then E=pc becomes E=mc^c, or the "rest energy" of light...where it is "at rest" when it travels at the speed of light. 

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Re: how can you make light heavier
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2013, 03:36:33 PM »
Light has energy/momentum (E=pc) but no mass.  If it had mass it could not travel at the "speed of light."  Since it travels at the speed of light, it cannot have mass. 

The "rest energy" equation E=mc^2 is just the first term in an infinite taylor series expansion.  If you consider the classical form of momentum (p=mv) and take the velocity to be the speed of light (v=c), then E=pc becomes E=mc^c, or the "rest energy" of light...where it is "at rest" when it travels at the speed of light. 



Sounds right. Actually, seems like you are much more knowledgeable than I am (and certain other folks) about these topics. I am duly impressed.

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Re: how can you make light heavier
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2013, 03:44:52 PM »
Light has energy/momentum (E=pc) but no mass.  If it had mass it could not travel at the "speed of light."  Since it travels at the speed of light, it cannot have mass. 

The "rest energy" equation E=mc^2 is just the first term in an infinite taylor series expansion.  If you consider the classical form of momentum (p=mv) and take the velocity to be the speed of light (v=c), then E=pc becomes E=mc^c, or the "rest energy" of light...where it is "at rest" when it travels at the speed of light. 



its difficult to agree with you on that "lights energy has no mass".  but i guess you are saying light is purely projection from its source thats why it has no mass.

like looking at a person from a distance that persons mass or brightness doesnt have a mass but quantamly they say it does from entaglement. ehhhh but thanks for writing that i will consider this for many days for a new understanding
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Re: how can you make light heavier
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2013, 04:41:18 PM »
Entaglement = entanglement.

Quantamly = quamtumly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement


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Re: how can you make light heavier
« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2013, 05:49:38 PM »
its difficult to agree with you on that "lights energy has no mass".  but i guess you are saying light is purely projection from its source thats why it has no mass.

like looking at a person from a distance that persons mass or brightness doesnt have a mass but quantamly they say it does from entaglement. ehhhh but thanks for writing that i will consider this for many days for a new understanding

By definition, anything with mass cannot travel at the speed of light and anything without mass must travel at the speed of light.  

Light is affected by gravity, but that doesnt mean it has mass.  It is because gravity affects the manifold with which "stuff happens."  This requires general relativity for an explanation of gravity.  Light is described by quantum mechanics.  Relativistic quantum m echanics (and uktimately QED) is the closest science has come to combining the two but it is only valid in inertial frames.  A fully relativistic description of the quantum world has yet to be developed.

Regardless, the "classical" view of physics (where conceptual understanding and intuition tends to hold up better) fails to properly describe both (which is why both of the newer theories were needed).


The universe is best described mathematically.  Math properly describes the world and accurately predicts future events time and time again when conceptual understanding fails.  
For relativity this means tensor analysis and differential geometry in Einstein's day and differential forms and calculus on rigorously defined "manifolds" in modern appriaches.  
For quantum mechanics this means wave mechanics or matrix mechanics and eigenvalue solutions of "operators" (and tensor analysis in relativistic descriptions...which is really just a more general form of vector analysis).
Once quantum computing becomes viable (or if traditional computing power gets high enough) then numerical analysis for both theories will probably lead to the biggest advances in the theories in their current form (computational physics is already the only real way of solving actual problems with any complexity).

It can be frustrating that math is what ends up describing the world...and everyone would love if that werent the case (look up Roger Penrose...he develops some really innovative ways of looking at things non-mathematically...similar to what Feynman diagrams did, but for relativity), but mathematics continues to be the best description of "how things work."
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Re: how can you make light heavier
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Re: how can you make light heavier
« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2013, 07:44:07 PM »
its difficult to agree with you on that "lights energy has no mass".

Oh no! This is a big problem, because if any one person disagrees the theory of relativity collapses (that's why it's called the theory of relativity... it's relative; if you believe it is true). I urge you, strongly, to believe, otherwise there's a ripple in the space-time continuum that will make Wiggs' predictions about the coming doom true.

But in all seriousness. You find it difficult to agree? Really? Your agreement isn't necessary, and your inability to grasp relatively simple concepts of physics is not a problem as long as you avoid talking about physics.



like looking at a person from a distance that persons mass or brightness doesnt have a mass but quantamly they say it does from entaglement. ehhhh but thanks for writing that i will consider this for many days for a new understanding

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