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I am not a religious guy at all and think all religions are setup to brainwash people into doing things they want, but I have to admit sometimes I wonder.
I work with a guy who is very religious. I think he is a born again Christian. He doesn't talk about it or promote it but just with conversations with him I learned about how devout he is.
Anyways. It just seems this guy has a lucky horseshoe up his ass. We were all moving offices, and were going to be sitting in these small ones, he got bumped out because another VP needed the office. So after the move the only free office was an old CFO office in the corner and is HUUUGE. They move this guy into it.
We all got new laptops, but somehow his order got messed up and he got this top of the line super laptop while all of us got a normal Dell. We also got phones issued a while back, they gave out cell phones to everyone but somehow he got a 4G iphone sent to him while everyone got shitty cells ...... on and on..... I can list 10 more positive things that happened to this guy over everyone else
I would initial think he is fucking some admin who is hooking him up, but he is not. He comes to work and leaves and doesn't socialize much. It just seems that he's always getting good luck with everything.
I sometimes wonder if this GOD thing has anything to do with it.
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You work with gh15 ???
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That religious nut is prob fucking with the boss
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The sun sets and rises on both good and evil.
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Its not luck. Its a proven science
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(http://i.imgur.com/sYuDJ.gif)
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(http://i.imgur.com/sYuDJ.gif)
Damn, that pilot wants to hit it so badly :o
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God doesn't exist, so it must be luck...
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That's possible except there is no god.
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he is jUst a lUcky luCk félla
(http://luckyluke.blox.pl/resource/Lucky_Luke_baje_pl_3.jpg)
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God doesn't exist, so it must be luck...
Exactly No God, Only Science
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So it's luck, or better: chance, statistics...
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Exactly No God, Only Scienceevolution
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Exactly No God, Only Scienceevolution
Indirectly the same thing, science helped us to understand the role of evolution
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Indirectly the same thing
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he is jUst a lUcky luCk félla
(http://luckyluke.blox.pl/resource/Lucky_Luke_baje_pl_3.jpg)
Mimicking Khofag, huh? You must be quite the mental giant.
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I am not a religious guy at all and think all religions are setup to brainwash people into doing things they want, but I have to admit sometimes I wonder.
I work with a guy who is very religious. I think he is a born again Christian. He doesn't talk about it or promote it but just with conversations with him I learned about how devout he is.
Anyways. It just seems this guy has a lucky horseshoe up his ass. We were all moving offices, and were going to be sitting in these small ones, he got bumped out because another VP needed the office. So after the move the only free office was an old CFO office in the corner and is HUUUGE. They move this guy into it.
We all got new laptops, but somehow his order got messed up and he got this top of the line super laptop while all of us got a normal Dell. We also got phones issued a while back, they gave out cell phones to everyone but somehow he got a 4G iphone sent to him while everyone got shitty cells ...... on and on..... I can list 10 more positive things that happened to this guy over everyone else
I would initial think he is fucking some admin who is hooking him up, but he is not. He comes to work and leaves and doesn't socialize much. It just seems that he's always getting good luck with everything.
I sometimes wonder if this GOD thing has anything to do with it.
Its called a positive state of mind, if you eliminate all negative thoughts from mind and when something happens that you think is bad luck you simply learn from it and look at it from a positive point of view, you will be amazed at the changes in your life because of this.
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You "betweter" ;D
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I am not a religious guy at all and think all religions are setup to brainwash people into doing things they want, but I have to admit sometimes I wonder.
I work with a guy who is very religious. I think he is a born again Christian. He doesn't talk about it or promote it but just with conversations with him I learned about how devout he is.
Anyways. It just seems this guy has a lucky horseshoe up his ass. We were all moving offices, and were going to be sitting in these small ones, he got bumped out because another VP needed the office. So after the move the only free office was an old CFO office in the corner and is HUUUGE. They move this guy into it.
We all got new laptops, but somehow his order got messed up and he got this top of the line super laptop while all of us got a normal Dell. We also got phones issued a while back, they gave out cell phones to everyone but somehow he got a 4G iphone sent to him while everyone got shitty cells ...... on and on..... I can list 10 more positive things that happened to this guy over everyone else
I would initial think he is fucking some admin who is hooking him up, but he is not. He comes to work and leaves and doesn't socialize much. It just seems that he's always getting good luck with everything.
I sometimes wonder if this GOD thing has anything to do with it.
Yes I'm pretty sure 'God' is very concerned and helpful when it comes to things like office spaces and technological gadgets.
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I am not a religious guy at all and think all religions are setup to brainwash people into doing things they want, but I have to admit sometimes I wonder.I work with a guy who is very religious. I think he is a born again Christian. He doesn't talk about it or promote it but just with conversations with him I learned about how devout he is.
Anyways. It just seems this guy has a lucky horseshoe up his ass. We were all moving offices, and were going to be sitting in these small ones, he got bumped out because another VP needed the office. So after the move the only free office was an old CFO office in the corner and is HUUUGE. They move this guy into it.
We all got new laptops, but somehow his order got messed up and he got this top of the line super laptop while all of us got a normal Dell. We also got phones issued a while back, they gave out cell phones to everyone but somehow he got a 4G iphone sent to him while everyone got shitty cells ...... on and on..... I can list 10 more positive things that happened to this guy over everyone else
I would initial think he is fucking some admin who is hooking him up, but he is not. He comes to work and leaves and doesn't socialize much. It just seems that he's always getting good luck with everything.
I sometimes wonder if this GOD thing has anything to do with it.
1ST off lets start with the quote i highlighted what church is out to brainwash you,I'm christian but i dont go to church that much its not about going to church its about how you live your life and how you treat others. I myself believe in a higher power think about it even before all these different religions came to be there were jews and christian. no one was trying to brainwash people in the roman ERA when Christ walked the earth and the bible was written. And remember its a book written by man and what they saw and what they were told and trust me the bible we have today isn't even 1/2 of what it should be.all i can say is follow what you believe not what others believe.
Dont wait until the end of your life to find out you were wrong. there is way to much written in the old TeX and dead sea scrolls for all of that to be bullshit.
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I tend to think that we make our luck, good people have good luck most of the time. Karma.......
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Yes I'm pretty sure 'God' is very concerned and helpful when it comes to things like office spaces and technological gadgets.
lolll ;D
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you need to see his dark side, which probably will sicken you to death
:D
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are you familiar with the term 'sourcing'...? it works!
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God does not give a shit about anyone's cell phone.
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he must be one of the elfs. or do you mean the other god?
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Most of you guys miss the point. It is not just a cell phone or tech gadgets, but just a guy that has a lot of positive things happen to him while others don't. I gave some examples.
He definitely is a positive dude, doesn't talk shit about anyone and keeps low key.
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MOS, just pure luck. No other explanation is needed. However, lets hypothetically assume that God is responsible for this man getting all this cool shit. This would make me draw 2 conclusions:
1) God is wasting his time on petty bullshit. Instead of curing world hunger and violence, God is wasting his time getting some guy a laptop. Doesn't sound like God is utilizing his time to efficiently. Thus, God is pretty bad at putting his priorities in order.
2) God would have had to ignore all the other important prayers from other people, i.e., parents praying that their 4 year old doesn't die of cancer. Although this guy might not have prayed for his laptop, God is choosing to put some pretty cool shit in front of this guy while the 4 year old dies of cancer.
My conclusion: Even if it was the work of God, would you really want to worship something so incompetent? :-\ :-\
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There will come a day when "every knee shall bow" ~ science will have nothing to do with it.
Hope folks get that straight at some point in their lives.
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There will come a day when "every knee shall bow" ~ science will have nothing to do with it.
Hope folks get that straight at some point in their lives.
Get straight with what? :-\ :-\
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MOS, just pure luck. No other explanation is needed. However, lets hypothetically assume that God is responsible for this man getting all this cool shit. This would make me draw 2 conclusions:
1) God is wasting his time on petty bullshit. Instead of curing world hunger and violence, God is wasting his time getting some guy a laptop. Doesn't sound like God is utilizing his time to efficiently. Thus, God is pretty bad at putting his priorities in order.
2) God would have had to ignore all the other important prayers from other people, i.e., parents praying that their 4 year old doesn't die of cancer. Although this guy might not have prayed for his laptop, God is choosing to put some pretty cool shit in front of this guy while the 4 year old dies of cancer.
My conclusion: Even if it was the work of God, would you really want to worship something so incompetent? :-\ :-\
why would God help people who create their own suffering by giving birth to babies when they cant take care of them, and who dont even believe in his sayings? you re a retard, shut your mouth.
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why would God help people who create their own suffering by giving birth to babies when they cant take care of them, and who dont even believe in his sayings? you re a retard, shut your mouth.
no, my point was pretty valid :D
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I've studied the law of attraction a lot.. I think I've got over 50 books on the subject.. Its a proven science which speaks volumes since most things are just theories. But its recently has been discovered and researched. However, its been in the Bible since the beginning of time.
Its proven that praying has resolved problems including medical problems. Miracles do in fact happen. Does that mean god shined down and cured you? no. But it shows that whats inside the bible was centuries in front of modern psychology and science. How did God know about the power of the mind? How did he know that prayer and faith was so powerful when its been recently discovered to be true? Why did he tell people to do things and techniques that doctors are now doing? I find that interesting.
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I've studied the law of attraction a lot.. I think I've got over 50 books on the subject.. Its a proven science which speaks volumes since most things are just theories. But its recently has been discovered and researched. However, its been in the Bible since the beginning of time.
Its proven that praying has resolved problems including medical problems. Miracles do in fact happen. Does that mean god shined down and cured you? no. But it shows that whats inside the bible was centuries in front of modern psychology and science. How did God know about the power of the mind? How did he know that prayer and faith was so powerful when its been recently discovered to be true? Why did he tell people to do things and techniques that doctors are now doing? I find that interesting.
Prayer does not work. Please cite the evidence where these miracles have occurred. Documentation?
and no, it has not been proven that pray resolves problems, including medical ones. Where is this proven? Please point me to the resource.
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Prayer does not work. Please cite the evidence where these miracles have occurred. Documentation?
and no, it has not been proven that pray resolves problems, including medical ones. Where is this proven? Please point me to the resource.
prayers work because I pray every night to wake up healthy and beautiful and every morning it happens
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prayers work because I pray every night to wake up healthy and beautiful and every morning it happens
Pics or its not true :o :o
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Prayer does not work. Please cite the evidence where these miracles have occurred. Documentation?
and no, it has not been proven that pray resolves problems, including medical ones. Where is this proven? Please point me to the resource.
prayer does work if you do it right. but you can only ask for help on improving your self. help forgiving yourself for a past wrong, help forgiving others, help to strengthen your will to do what is right, help to understand yourself and what you really want. asking for miracles or any other interferance in physical reality, material things, etc is not going to work. the point of life is spiritual growth and nothing else. pray for that, focus on it yourself, and you will recieved help.
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I think God has better things to do then be concerned about someone's laptop or cell phone. Your co-worker is just lucky, that's all. Of course, someone put in the order for this equipment. Perhaps he has an in with someone in purchasing.
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God is not affected by time and space like we are. None of His time is "wasted" in favor of doing one thing over another. Why does He allow some types of suffering when He is capable to change it? I don't know. But I believe someday we will know. Sometimes we see the reason for suffering. Sometimes we do not. At least not yet? Much of the the time we bring it upon ourselves. And does God care about the little things? yes, i believe He does. Do loving parents care about "little things" that affect their childrens lives? I think they do. And I believe God loves us even more than our earthly parents do..... Is mon of steeles co worker being blessed by God in these things? I believe its possible.
Will move this thread to relig later
MOS, just pure luck. No other explanation is needed. However, lets hypothetically assume that God is responsible for this man getting all this cool shit. This would make me draw 2 conclusions:
1) God is wasting his time on petty bullshit. Instead of curing world hunger and violence, God is wasting his time getting some guy a laptop. Doesn't sound like God is utilizing his time to efficiently. Thus, God is pretty bad at putting his priorities in order.
2) God would have had to ignore all the other important prayers from other people, i.e., parents praying that their 4 year old doesn't die of cancer. Although this guy might not have prayed for his laptop, God is choosing to put some pretty cool shit in front of this guy while the 4 year old dies of cancer.
My conclusion: Even if it was the work of God, would you really want to worship something so incompetent? :-\ :-\
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God is not affected by time and space like we are. None of His time is "wasted" in favor of doing one thing over another. Why does He allow some types of suffering when He is capable to change it? I don't know. But I believe someday we will know. Sometimes we see the reason for suffering. Sometimes we do not. At least not yet? Much of the the time we bring it upon ourselves. And does God care about the little things? yes, i believe He does. Do loving parents care about "little things" that affect their childrens lives? I think they do. And I believe God loves us even more than our earthly parents do..... Is mon of steeles co worker being blessed by God in these things? I believe its possible.
Will move this thread to relig later
Which god are you talking about? Jahweh, Allah, Satan, the demiurg....? Does any Real God want to be worshipped? Does any real God favor some people over others? Why do people "believe"?
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Which god are you talking about? Jahweh, Allah, Satan, the demiurg....? Does any Real God want to be worshipped? Does any real God favor some people over others? Why do people "believe"?
"which god are you talking about"
that question makes you look like a fool
god may or may not exist. but if god exists then it doesnt matter what name you use when you pray or worship, you will be talking to god.
why do people believe? um.. where did everything come from and what caused everything to happen? ;)
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"which god are you talking about"
that question makes you look like a fool
god may or may not exist. but if god exists then it doesnt matter what name you use when you pray or worship, you will be talking to god.
why do people believe? um.. where did everything come from and what caused everything to happen? ;)
I'm the one who asks questions, you just take things for granted because you believe all the religious crap you read and what you've been told in church.
That makes you the fool, not me. Don't pretend that you're smart, because you're not. Hope this helps. :)
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I'm the one who asks questions, you just take things for granted because you believe all the religious crap you read and what you've been told in church.
That makes you the fool, not me. Don't pretend that you're smart, because you're not. Hope this helps. :)
dont believe in the bible and dont go to church ! sorry friend, your arrogance only works on those inferior to yourself.. ;)
now answer me, where did everything come from and what caused it all to happen ?
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now answer me, where did everything come from and what caused it all to happen ?
Nobody knows and neither do you. Don't even start.
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Nobody knows and neither do you. Don't even start.
nobody knows. Truth. But what are the possible answers?
Hint : there is only one
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nobody knows. Truth. But what are the possible answers?
Hint : there is only one
Don't give a "hint" if you are completely clueless about this subject. Just like a lot of people you walk around like a mindless zombie.
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nobody knows. Truth. But what are the possible answers?
Hint : there is only one
Brutal contradiction in your mind
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either there is no answer or.... ;)
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either there is no answer or.... ;)
Finish what you just started, reli teaser
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Finish what you just started, reli teaser
finish what ?
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finish what ?
either there is no answer or-> .... <- THIS MR. SMARTASS ;)
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thats not for me to finish its to guide you towards wisdom..
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thats not for me to finish its to guide you towards wisdom..
::)
Translation: "I'm just a dumb fucker without a mind of my own, but the bible storybook says blady blady blah..., so go figure"
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::)
Translation: "I'm just a dumb fucker without a mind of my own, but the bible storybook says blady blady blah..., so go figure"
i dont believe in the bible !
this is basic science
and indisputable
there is either no answer
or god created it
(definition of god can be debated however)
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i dont believe in the bible !
this is basic science
and indisputable
there is either no answer
or god created it
(definition of god can be debated however)
Thank Mr/Mrs Whatever, that you don't believe in fairy tales :D
The funny thing with you and so many other religious people (or place yourself in another category, that's fine with me), is that they are pretty confident about their believes, but refuse to respond directly to questions like those from Freespirit or me. Stop being vague with unfinished statement or referring to to "basic science", but simply say something like "I DON'T KNOW". That would be a honest answer.
BTW, "basic science" explains us much more about evolution theory than "Mr/Mrs Creator of the universe" ;)
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Thank Mr/Mrs Whatever, that you don't believe in fairy tales :D
The funny thing with you and so many other religious people (or place yourself in another category, that's fine with me), is that they are pretty confident about their believes, but refuse to respond directly to questions like those from Freespirit or me. Stop being vague with unfinished statement or referring to to "basic science", but simply something like "I DON'T KNOW". That would be a honest answer.
BTW, "basic science" explains us much more about evolution theory than "Mr/Mrs Creator of the universe" ;)
basic science= if something exists it has mass, if something has mass that mass can be divided ad infinitum. what holds it together? what causes it to take shape? either there is no answer, it just does so randomly and without reason, or it is CAUSED. ;)
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basic science= if something exists it has mass, if something has mass that mass can be divided ad infinitum. what holds it together? what causes it to take shape? either there is no answer, it just does so randomly and without reason, or it is CAUSED. ;)
OK, anything happens (and: has happened) for a reason, I can agree on this "basic science", or call it "physics".
The crux of the discussion is, what/who caused this?, right?
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basic science= if something exists it has mass, if something has mass that mass can be divided ad infinitum. what holds it together? what causes it to take shape? either there is no answer, it just does so randomly and without reason, or it is CAUSED. ;)
Your entire argument fails due to the fact that there are particles without masses. I'll give you a hint: there's one certain kind that passes through your body by the millions every day.
There probably is no reason for anything to exist at all, at least in the human sense of the word. It's not that we might not ever comprehend what the universe really is, it's just seems that currently we don't possess the philosophy or the science to have a complete 'answer', whatever that means.
Until we do, we simply don't know and again neither do you. Asking pseudo-scientific questions of existence doesn't prove anything. The only reason you believe in your god is simply because you choose to... you have no evidence whatsoever for your position.
YOU DO NOT KNOW. BE HUMBLE AND ADMIT IT.
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OK, anything happens (and: has happened) for a reason, I can agree on this "basic science", or call it "physics".
The crux of the discussion is, what/who caused this?, right?
well if you agree that everything happens for a reason, which isnt something i asserted but something i could agree with, then your basically throwing yourself into a trap where you have to admit there is a god due to laws of causality.
yes, what caused everything to happen. either there is no cause, or it was god.
Your entire argument fails due to the fact that there are particles without masses. I'll give you a hint: there's one certain kind that passes through your body by the millions every day.
There probably is no reason for anything to exist at all, at least in the human sense of the word. It's not that we might not ever comprehend what the universe really is, it's just seems that currently we don't possess the philosophy or the science to have a complete 'answer', whatever that means.
Until we do, we simply don't know and again neither do you. Asking pseudo-scientific questions of existence doesn't prove anything. The only reason you believe in your god is simply because you choose to... you have no evidence whatsoever for your position.
YOU DO NOT KNOW. BE HUMBLE AND ADMIT IT.
there is no particle without mass , dont be stupid
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well if you agree that everything happens for a reason, which isnt something i asserted but something i could agree with, then your basically throwing yourself into a trap where you have to admit there is a god due to laws of causality.
yes, what caused everything to happen. either there is no cause, or it was god.
So you translate "cause" by "god"?, how naive...
there is no particle without mass , dont be stupid
Gluons
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well if you agree that everything happens for a reason, which isnt something i asserted but something i could agree with, then your basically throwing yourself into a trap where you have to admit there is a god due to laws of causality.
yes, what caused everything to happen. either there is no cause, or it was god.
That is perfectly reasonable, BUT, I think you have to completely redefine what you mean by 'god'. It is extremely unlikely to be any sort of cognitive entity or anything that might 'love us' lmfao. Your god that you devote your faith is nothing but a construct of your mind. Your real 'god' might very well be nothing but a quantum fluctuation... No purpose, no intent, no reason... just is. But again, who knows? I sure don't and neither do you.
there is no particle without mass , dont be stupid
Do you have ANY basic understanding of particle physics whatsoever?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massless_particle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massless_particle)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon)
http://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=1354 (http://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=1354)
How can you speak with such conviction when you're so poorly educated?
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God, at least in the biblical sense, does not exist
Hope this helps
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So you translate "cause" by "god"?, how naive...
either there is no cause or it was caused by god. fact. cant debate it.
That is perfectly reasonable, BUT, I think you have to completely redefine what you mean by 'god'. It is extremely unlikely to be any sort of cognitive entity or anything that might 'love us' lmfao. Your god that you devote your faith is nothing but a construct of your mind. Your real 'god' might very well be nothing but a quantum fluctuation... No purpose, no intent, no reason... just is. But again, who knows? I sure don't and neither do you.
Do you have ANY basic understanding of particle physics whatsoever?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massless_particle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massless_particle)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon)
http://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=1354 (http://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=1354)
How can you speak with such conviction when you're so poorly educated?
It is not that a photon has no mass. A photon has no “rest-mass” but it does have a unified entity called “mass-energy”, which has the same properties as rest mass does, as far as gravitation is concerned.
Consider a pair of electron and positron. They have rest mass, which other masses surrounding them can feel and react to. If this pair of electron and positron were to collide each other and turn themselves into photons, their previous rest mass did not just simply vanish but became mass-energy of the photons. The surrounding masses would still feel the gravitational effect of “mass-energy” of the photons as if it still were rest mass of a pair of electron and positron.
What is meant by the sentence “A photon has no rest-mass” is that there is no frame in which a photon appears at rest. So, it’s impossible to talk about rest-mass of a photon. A photon can only travel at a speed of light and what is measurable is only its mass-energy quantity.
i copied that from a different forum because i am not able to put it into words as well as this guy did.
it amazes me that someone could think a massless particle exists. if there is no mass(no "mass-energy"), there is no particle, basic physics.
God, at least in the biblical sense, does not exist
Hope this helps
hell fire and an egotistical, imperfect god? right, doesnt exist. a personal god that follows every humans thoughts and helps guide them towards spiritual growth ? very possible
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either there is no cause or it was caused by god. fact. cant debate it.
There you go. At least you're honest about being closed-minded.
It is not that a photon has no mass. A photon has no “rest-mass” but it does have a unified entity called “mass-energy”, which has the same properties as rest mass does, as far as gravitation is concerned.
Consider a pair of electron and positron. They have rest mass, which other masses surrounding them can feel and react to. If this pair of electron and positron were to collide each other and turn themselves into photons, their previous rest mass did not just simply vanish but became mass-energy of the photons. The surrounding masses would still feel the gravitational effect of “mass-energy” of the photons as if it still were rest mass of a pair of electron and positron.
What is meant by the sentence “A photon has no rest-mass” is that there is no frame in which a photon appears at rest. So, it’s impossible to talk about rest-mass of a photon. A photon can only travel at a speed of light and what is measurable is only its mass-energy quantity.
i copied that from a different forum because i am not able to put it into words as well as this guy did.
it amazes me that someone could think a massless particle exists. if there is no mass(no "mass-energy"), there is no particle, basic physics.
Copy and paste, eh? Were you aware of this concept before googling it? I'm 99,9 % sure you did not know what rest mass was until just now. Basically anything with mass that can be weighed does not travel at the speed of light since it takes an infinite amount energy to reach that speed. So hence, massless particles. At least in the traditional sense that you referred to at first.
Physicists are still not even sure what gives particles mass.. they're suspecting it might be the Higg's Boson but it is yet to be found. So in that sense where mass comes from is still unexplained.
If you don't mind, I'd like to give you a quick test of your physics knowledge(very, very basic physics):
Imagine a wagon traveling down a slope that is 20m long and it's a got a 25 degree angle to it(from bottom up). It starts at the top at a standstill. The wagon has a resulting friction force of say 25 N. The wagons mass is 200 kg. What speed in meters/second does the wagon have at the bottom of the slope?
If you know any basic physics this will take you about 2 minutes(if even that) to figure out. If you don't have a calculator there's always online ones. You like to speak of basic physics as if you know it... then prove it. I honestly think you're clueless. Prove me wrong and I'll be impressed for whatever it's worth.
You're still dodging 75% of all arguments coming towards you. You do that a lot... why?
What about this?
That is perfectly reasonable, BUT, I think you have to completely redefine what you mean by 'god'. It is extremely unlikely to be any sort of cognitive entity or anything that might 'love us' lmfao. Your god that you devote your faith is nothing but a construct of your mind. Your real 'god' might very well be nothing but a quantum fluctuation... No purpose, no intent, no reason... just is. But again, who knows? I sure don't and neither do you.
Any thoughts, ideas?
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you just got owned and now your upset about it, i understand.
there is no such thing as a massless particle. the term itself is an oxymoron. if something exists by definition it has mass. yes, this is basic physics.
another thing... there is no cause. or it was caused by God. there are no other options. i challenge you, come up with another. something that explains how everything came to be, what everything is made of, and why the universe evolves as it does. ;)
thoughts about your assanine idea of a possible non-god god ? ;D either its god, or its not. either there is no cause, or there is a creator. in order for something to create, it must be a "thinking" being.
i do admit, i dont know anything for certain. but i know whats possible, and whats not possible. i know the basic stucture of the universe, i am able to think about what would be contained in a metaphysics if one was possible. there are two options. meaningless shit floating around waiting to be shit that we just happened to emerge from (even though "we" dont even actually exist at all, we are a figment of our imagination, nothing but a fleeting awareness of biochemical signals without free will or anything that makes us human)... OR a transcendant thinking being created everything to give birth to other thinking beings.
outside of that.. dont know anything. my idea of what god is... if your interested.. is something very different from the biblical god but at the same time very similar. its not a person, though it is one entity, it is everywhere and anywhere, it is in all of us, it knows everything everyone is thinking, and everything everyone has ever thought, it knows exactly what we need to become better people and it is always present in our lives helping move each and everyone of us towards perfection. it is the cause and the sustainer of all existence, it is existence itself, it is everything. we will never get to meet god, though we are always in his presence. we can learn about him, we can become more like him, we can rest in his warmth. we will never have a conversation with him, but he is always talking to us.
i could go on..
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you just got owned and now your upset about it, i understand.
there is no such thing as a massless particle. the term itself is an oxymoron. if something exists by definition it has mass. yes, this is basic physics.
Certain particles have mass-energy, remember? But no mass in the traditional sense. Big difference. At first you made no distinction between the two. There are massless particles. When you first said that particles without mass could never exist, you obviously didn't know what the hell you were talking about. You went to google for help when you got called out on it. You referred to mass in the traditional sense and that's where the discussion took off.
another thing... there is no cause. or it was caused by God. there are no other options. i challenge you, come up with another. something that explains how everything came to be, what everything is made of, and why the universe evolves as it does. ;)
thoughts about your assanine idea of a possible non-god god ? ;D either its god, or its not. either there is no cause, or there is a creator. in order for something to create, it must be a "thinking" being.
The concept of a creator or a creation is not far fetched, but if you're going down that path of reasoning you have to totally reconsider what you mean by god. Just because the universe inflated 13.7 billion years ago doesn't mean there was cognitive being that caused it. In fact, it's EXTREMELY unlikely. Again, you have absolutely no proof whatsoever for your position. Your idea of a god is completely unfounded and only exists in your mind. Admit this. Even if your logic made sense.. what created your 'god'? Oh wait, your 'god' is eternal, how convenient ::)
Follow your own logic where it takes you and you'll see why it doesn't provide an answer. It's totally fine to say that you don't know.. that is the only thing you CAN know.
Particles are created out of nothing all the time. The universe is teeming with an almost infinite amount of quantum particles jumping in and out of existence. So there goes your "creator" argument.
i do admit, i dont know anything for certain.
Good. That goes for anything, including your 'god'.
i know whats possible, and whats not possible.
No one knows what's possible and neither do you. How convenient that your god happens to fit in your 'possible' category.
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Btw, how's that physics problem coming along? What's holding you back? It's only 'basic physics' as you like to say all the time.... ;D
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Btw, how's that physics problem coming along? What's holding you back? It's only 'basic physics' as you like to say all the time.... ;D
Maybe teebombs need some more time for this.... ;D
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massless particle = oxymoron
no such thing as particle without mass
either universe is uncaused or caused
no other options
if you have anything else youd like to discuss let me know
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massless particle = oxymoron
no such thing as particle without mass
either universe is uncaused or caused
no other options
if you have anything else youd like to discuss let me know
You speak in terms of "truth" and "facts". With a narrow mind like that you're not really open for any discussion.
I'm not an expert in physics, but reading lovemonkey, he knows his shit and you think you know shit, but in fact you don't, esp when you copy-paste stuff.
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I think whats going on here is that people don't realize that luck is random.....it happens constantly throughout a day, week, month, year, decade, etc....people think that luck is assigned to people...its not..its totally random.......but what happens Is that some people get some good luck, some bad luck...some get a little of one and more of the other.....then you have some guys who get all bad luck and this is then balanced off by guys who get all good luck...
your friend is getting all the good luck right now but there is some poor slob somewhere who is getting all the bad luck.....fate balances out
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You speak in terms of "truth" and "facts". With a narrow mind like that you're not really open for any discussion.
I'm not an expert in physics, but reading lovemonkey, he knows his shit and you think you know shit, but in fact you don't, esp when you copy-paste stuff.
either universe is uncaused or caused
no other options
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either universe is uncaused or caused
no other options
Thanks for the confirmation, sir
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either universe is uncaused or caused
no other options
Big fonts!! Bold letters!!! My goodness!!
Two things:
Even though no one knows for sure, the beginning of the universe might be explained by quantum mechanics. Our definition of 'cause' doesn't really apply in that case since quantum mechanics rely on probabilities... The world of particle physics is NOTHING like the physical world we are familiar with. But it'll be a long time before we find out if QM can explain the origin of the universe, since the energies required to do such research is way beyond anything we got today.
Secondly, I was totally playing along with your cause and effect argument since it's not totally unreasonable. But my point was that you know absolutely nothing about whatever might have started the universe and to assume it's a cognitive being is simply making shit up.
Either way, you lose this debate due to your ignorance. I don't know why I keep doing this. You're such a dumbass I don't even know where to begin. Why are you even wasting your time on a debate when you can't be bothered to think and address arguments properly?
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no, either there is no cause... and everything just happened.
or there was/is a cause.. which means everything happened for a reason.. which means it was created.. which requires a thinking being.
two options, only two= "just happened", or "creator".
indisputable.
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Bumpity-bump
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no, either there is no cause... and everything just happened.
or there was/is a cause.. which means everything happened for a reason.. which means it was created.. which requires a thinking being.
two options, only two= "just happened", or "creator".
indisputable.
You just outdid yourself again.
But alright fine, I'll go with the "just happened" option as the more likely one. Why is this not the better option according to you?
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You just outdid yourself again.
But alright fine, I'll go with the "just happened" option as the more likely one. Why is this not the better option according to you?
there are only those two options
i dont know which one is reality
but i can tell you that it makes much more sense to me, all things considered, that god created it. going off metaphysics and the experience of being human.
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but i can tell you that it makes much more sense to me, all things considered, that god created it. going off metaphysics and the experience of being human.
= you don't know jack shit.
Why are you defending your unfounded world view then? I hope you're not seriously trying to convince others to share your 'faith', are you? Why are you even here arguing when you just now admitted that your god is only something that you believe in, not anything that can be proven or logically deduced?
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= you don't know jack shit.
Why are you defending your unfounded world view then? I hope you're not seriously trying to convince others to share your 'faith', are you? Why are you even here arguing when you just now admitted that your god is only something that you believe in, not anything that can be proven or logically deduced?
im arguing against the idea that science disproves or can replace god.
maybe i should have stated my opinion differently, I FIND IT VERY UNLIKELY THAT EVERYTHING JUST HAPPENED TO HAPPEN, AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE STATE OF EXISTENCE DEMANDS A CREATOR
of course.. opinion, and not certainty. but then again, we cant be certain of anything. not even of our own existence.
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im arguing against the idea that science disproves or can replace god.
If one insists on using the 'god' terminology, what science and philosophy might do is to simply redefine what 'god' is. You can still have your god, just that it probably will be something way different than you'd imagine. A quantum fluctuation maybe.
maybe i should have stated my opinion differently, I FIND IT VERY UNLIKELY THAT EVERYTHING JUST HAPPENED TO HAPPEN, AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE STATE OF EXISTENCE DEMANDS A CREATOR
Alright, that is perfectly reasonable. I personally do not agree with that view but at least we both can humble enough and say that we simply do not know.
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no, a quantum fluctuation is not god. no scientic description will ever be able to describe what caused the universe. science by definition is never ending, the universe is infinitely complex. even when an end point is seemingly reached one still has to explain the origins of that end point, and so on.. or admit there is no cause.
no cause, or god. two options.
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no, a quantum fluctuation is not god. no scientic description will ever be able to describe what caused the universe. science by definition is never ending, the universe is infinitely complex. even when an end point is seemingly reached one still has to explain the origins of that end point, and so on.. or admit there is no cause.
no cause, or god. two options.
You're making a lot assumptions....