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Re: Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dies at 79
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2016, 03:35:06 PM »
http://www.westernjournalism.com/poetic-juctice-obama-was-1st-us-president-to-vote-for-filibuster-in-supreme-court-nomination/

Obama was all for filbustering bush's appointment...I guess it's different now though

Of course. The shoe is on the other foot.

Did it work out for the Democrats then? No.

Is it going to work out for the Republicans now? No.

That's just how it is going to be... Sucks if you're on one side, great if you're on the other.

I laugh at anyone who thinks it's not going to happen. That's just being delusional.

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Re: Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dies at 79
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2016, 03:42:15 PM »

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Re: Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dies at 79
« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2016, 03:50:52 PM »
what a FUCKING COP OUT

If you don't have the same opinion regardless of who is POTUS and who controls the Senate then you're just telling us you're a partisan hack



they dont even bother trying to hide their partisam leanings anymore.  It's not about consistency, ist' about their side winning every time no matter the rules of law.

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Re: Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dies at 79
« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2016, 03:53:01 PM »
Of course. The shoe is on the other foot.

Did it work out for the Democrats then? No.

Is it going to work out for the Republicans now? No.

That's just how it is going to be... Sucks if you're on one side, great if you're on the other.

I laugh at anyone who thinks it's not going to happen. That's just being delusional.
If he chooses a moderate I imagine they get confirmed, if he doesn't I imagine they don't. I believe they need 14 republicans to vote for them to get approved.

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Re: Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dies at 79
« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2016, 03:55:17 PM »
If he chooses a moderate I imagine they get confirmed, if he doesn't I imagine they don't. I believe they need 14 republicans to vote for them to get approved.

I have full belief that whoever he puts up will get it.

Especially if it's a woman. Can you imagine the backlash if they try to bust balls on a woman?

Shew that would be bad for business. What about if they don't and Hillary or Bernie beats whomever and ends up being The President? You think that would be better or worse for the Republicans?

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Re: Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dies at 79
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2016, 03:57:22 PM »
I have full belief that whoever he puts up will get it.

Especially if it's a woman. Can you imagine the backlash if they try to bust balls on a woman?

Shew that would be bad for business. What about if they don't and Hillary or Bernie beats whomever and ends up being The President? You think that would be better or worse for the Republicans?
Disagree, two women have already been confirmed by republicans during obamas presidency. You'd be hard pressed to push the talking point when two women have already been confirmed

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Re: Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dies at 79
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2016, 04:04:40 PM »
Yeah but..... ;D...the conservative wing is not trying to allow a ton of immigrants into the country or legalize a bunch that are here to ensure a base of support that keeps them in power. Now Ol Paul Ryan would be happy to do that but Cruz ain't and a few others are not. 


No they just want to take the country back to the 1940s.

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Re: Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dies at 79
« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2016, 04:05:34 PM »
what a FUCKING COP OUT

If you don't have the same opinion regardless of who is POTUS and who controls the Senate then you're just telling us you're a partisan hack




Hahaha talk about a hypocrite.

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Re: Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dies at 79
« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2016, 04:05:43 PM »
Disagree, two women have already been confirmed by republicans during obamas presidency. You'd be hard pressed to push the talking point when two women have already been confirmed

Oh... They would do it.

I'm not saying it's right, but I think they would do it.

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Re: Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dies at 79
« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2016, 04:06:26 PM »

No they just want to take the country back to the 1940s.
Haha the stupid shitty talking points of the liberal left

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Re: Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dies at 79
« Reply #35 on: February 15, 2016, 04:13:56 PM »
Haha the stupid shitty talking points of the liberal left

Haha the continuous efforts of the fundies that prove it correct.

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« Reply #36 on: February 15, 2016, 04:16:20 PM »
Haha the continuous efforts of the fundies that prove it correct.

Fringe politicians on either side don't speak for the entire party...If that were true we could say all democrats are socialists

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Re: Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dies at 79
« Reply #37 on: February 15, 2016, 04:23:05 PM »
what a FUCKING COP OUT

If you don't have the same opinion regardless of who is POTUS and who controls the Senate then you're just telling us you're a partisan hack



Did you expect anything different from him?

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Re: Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dies at 79
« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2016, 04:30:20 PM »
Did you expect anything different from him?

Not really.

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Re: Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dies at 79
« Reply #39 on: February 15, 2016, 06:18:43 PM »
As distasteful as both parties have made this entire process, I don't believe the Senate is flaunting the Constitution.  The Constitution does not require the Senate to bring a nominee to the floor, nor does it require that the Senate vote to confirm any particular nominee.  

I agree that both parties have made the process more and more distasteful and have been politicizing it more and more and more.

On the issue of what the Constituion requires the Senate to do, you're right. All it says is "advice and consent" which is, at best, cryptic. And when you consider that each House of Congress makes its own rules, then it could be made to mean anything. However, since the founding of our Republic, the clause has been interpreted to mean that the Senate confirms by voting yes or no on the nominee. I think that tradition has served us well and would like to see it continue.

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Re: Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dies at 79
« Reply #40 on: February 15, 2016, 06:35:49 PM »
Fringe politicians on either side don't speak for the entire party...If that were true we could say all democrats are socialists

also they're the devil's disciples, I read on getbig.

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Re: Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dies at 79
« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2016, 06:55:11 PM »
I agree that both parties have made the process more and more distasteful and have been politicizing it more and more and more.

On the issue of what the Constituion requires the Senate to do, you're right. All it says is "advice and consent" which is, at best, cryptic. And when you consider that each House of Congress makes its own rules, then it could be made to mean anything. However, since the founding of our Republic, the clause has been interpreted to mean that the Senate confirms by voting yes or no on the nominee. I think that tradition has served us well and would like to see it continue.

What interpretations are you talking about regarding bringing a nomination to the floor?

I actually think we have a history of, on occasion, not bringing a nominee to the floor, either through procedural maneuvers or simply by filibustering. 

I'm actually not all that bothered by this.  President Obama isn't simply trying to carry out his Constitutional duty.  He wants to nominate someone who shares his ideology and change the liberal/conservative balance on the Court.  Republicans want to stop him from doing so.  So long as neither one of them is violating the Constitution, we shouldn't blow this out of proportion.  (Too late.) 

So, while I'd rather see an up or down vote, I'm not bothered by this particular situation.  In fact, I don't want Obama to have another S/C appointment. 

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Re: Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dies at 79
« Reply #42 on: February 16, 2016, 12:00:49 AM »
who needs a moderate... you have 'uber conservatives' like john roberts on the bench to help give us obamacare.

with friends like that...

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Re: Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dies at 79
« Reply #43 on: February 16, 2016, 12:34:49 AM »
What interpretations are you talking about regarding bringing a nomination to the floor?

I said that the Constitution requires the "advice and consent" of the Senate for a President's nominee to become a Justice of the Supreme Court, and that the phrase is, at best, cryptic. The tradition I was talking about was that the phrase "advice and consent" has been interpreted to mean that the Senate votes on the President's nominee. What criteria they use in voting is, of course, up to the Senate itself and they could even change to not require a vote but, say, a coin flip (they make their own rules: Article I, Section 5).

You really should re-read my post. It's quite clear.


I actually think we have a history of, on occasion, not bringing a nominee to the floor, either through procedural maneuvers or simply by filibustering.

I didn't argue otherwise.


I'm actually not all that bothered by this.

I'm bothered with the politicization of the process and the fact that we are rapidly moving towards a system where unless the President's party has a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, seats that become vacant will remain empty as politicials play games in Washington backrooms.


President Obama isn't simply trying to carry out his Constitutional duty.

Oh?


He wants to nominate someone who shares his ideology and change the liberal/conservative balance on the Court.

Is that not his prerogative as President? Is that not the prerogative of any President seeking to fill a vacancy on the Federal bench - to nominate someone he thinks is qualifies using whatever criteria he thinks are appropriate? Is there some list of criteria laid out in the Constitution or a requirement to not upset the liberal/conservative balance of the Court?


Republicans want to stop him from doing so.

It's the prerogative of the Senate to choose to vote him down or to simply not vote at all on the nominee. There certainly is precedent for the Senate to reject the nominees of Presidents in their last year in office - it happend with Johnson last I believe.


So long as neither one of them is violating the Constitution, we shouldn't blow this out of proportion.  (Too late.)

Agreed.


So, while I'd rather see an up or down vote, I'm not bothered by this particular situation.  In fact, I don't want Obama to have another S/C appointment.

I'm not particularly bothered by this situation, except that I think that politicizing the process is a problem and claiming that the President shouldn't nominate someone (as several people have) because this is his last year in office and he should wait for his replacement to nominate someone is bullshit.

Again, look at Mitch McConnell: he argued that the President's authority to nominate should be respected and his nominee deserved an up-or-down vote because it was politically expedient him. Now, because it's politically expedient for him, he argues that the President shouldn't nominate someone and wait for his replacement to do so and vows to not allow an up-or-down vote. This his what I have a problem and this is what I'm bothered by.[/b]

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Re: Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dies at 79
« Reply #44 on: February 16, 2016, 09:13:02 AM »
I said that the Constitution requires the "advice and consent" of the Senate for a President's nominee to become a Justice of the Supreme Court, and that the phrase is, at best, cryptic. The tradition I was talking about was that the phrase "advice and consent" has been interpreted to mean that the Senate votes on the President's nominee. What criteria they use in voting is, of course, up to the Senate itself and they could even change to not require a vote but, say, a coin flip (they make their own rules: Article I, Section 5).

You really should re-read my post. It's quite clear.


I didn't argue otherwise.


I'm bothered with the politicization of the process and the fact that we are rapidly moving towards a system where unless the President's party has a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, seats that become vacant will remain empty as politicials play games in Washington backrooms.


Oh?


Is that not his prerogative as President? Is that not the prerogative of any President seeking to fill a vacancy on the Federal bench - to nominate someone he thinks is qualifies using whatever criteria he thinks are appropriate? Is there some list of criteria laid out in the Constitution or a requirement to not upset the liberal/conservative balance of the Court?


It's the prerogative of the Senate to choose to vote him down or to simply not vote at all on the nominee. There certainly is precedent for the Senate to reject the nominees of Presidents in their last year in office - it happend with Johnson last I believe.


Agreed.


I'm not particularly bothered by this situation, except that I think that politicizing the process is a problem and claiming that the President shouldn't nominate someone (as several people have) because this is his last year in office and he should wait for his replacement to nominate someone is bullshit.

Again, look at Mitch McConnell: he argued that the President's authority to nominate should be respected and his nominee deserved an up-or-down vote because it was politically expedient him. Now, because it's politically expedient for him, he argues that the President shouldn't nominate someone and wait for his replacement to do so and vows to not allow an up-or-down vote. This his what I have a problem and this is what I'm bothered by.[/b]

I re-read your post and the first time you said it.  It's not clear at all on this point:  "The tradition I was talking about was that the phrase 'advice and consent' has been interpreted to mean that the Senate votes on the President's nominee." 

Now don't get all worked up, but I'm simply asking who is making this traditional interpretation? 

Overall, we're pretty much saying the same thing. 

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Re: Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dies at 79
« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2016, 09:47:43 AM »
I re-read your post and the first time you said it.  It's not clear at all on this point:  "The tradition I was talking about was that the phrase 'advice and consent' has been interpreted to mean that the Senate votes on the President's nominee." 

Now don't get all worked up, but I'm simply asking who is making this traditional interpretation? 

Overall, we're pretty much saying the same thing. 


The Senate does - "consent" being interpreted as "received a majority of yay votes on the Senate floor" since the days of the first nominations to the Court. But there's no requirement that they vote on it; they could decide to flip a coin or read a Ouija board.

And yes, we are both saying the same thing.

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Re: Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dies at 79
« Reply #46 on: February 16, 2016, 11:45:13 AM »
The Senate does - "consent" being interpreted as "received a majority of yay votes on the Senate floor" since the days of the first nominations to the Court. But there's no requirement that they vote on it; they could decide to flip a coin or read a Ouija board.

And yes, we are both saying the same thing.

Thanks.  That's what I was asking.