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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: arce1988 on December 23, 2013, 04:39:33 PM
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http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/413659-mikhail-kalashnikov-ak-47-inventor-dies-at-94/
RIP
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The State kept all the money. He said he'd been better off inventing a lawn mower.
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I shot one once I did not hit a damn thing kick back was bad.
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I have many, in both 7.62 and 5.45. I actually like them a lot. A 5.45 in an AK-105 configuration is probably superior to the M4, especially in a SHTF situation. It's a fine go-to rifle.
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Arguably, the most influential man in the world of the last 70 years.
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I have many, in both 7.62 and 5.45. I actually like them a lot. A 5.45 in an AK-105 configuration is probably superior to the M4, especially in a SHTF situation. It's a fine go-to rifle.
Former military? Id take a m4/m16a4 over any other rifle. ... mostly due to amount time on the weapon platform, the sheer amount odf accessories, and ease of access to rounds.
Give me a m16a4 with an acog and 7 mags and im good to go.
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RIP to the guy who invented the gun I wish the threadstarter would suck on
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Former military? Id take a m4/m16a4 over any other rifle. ... mostly due to amount time on the weapon platform, the sheer amount odf accessories, and ease of access to rounds.
Give me a m16a4 with an acog and 7 mags and im good to go.
I've got several AR variants too, including a good half dozen M4s. It's the inherent reliability of the AK platform that really sells it. The '74 in the 105 config is a SBR with a Krink flash hider. The 5.45 is on par with the 5.56, but the mags and the action on the AK is much more robust.
You have me on the accessories, but that's just Barbie-gun fun-time. I am talking about SHTF zombie-time. Ya, I am a AR and Glock armorer and tinker with the AK.
And 7 mags on a load out? Seems light.
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I've got several AR variants too, including a good half dozen M4s. It's the inherent reliability of the AK platform that really sells it. The '74 in the 105 config is a SBR with a Krink flash hider. The 5.45 is on par with the 5.56, but the mags and the action on the AK is much more robust.
You have me on the accessories, but that's just Barbie-gun fun-time. I am talking about SHTF zombie-time. Ya, I am a AR and Glock armorer and tinker with the AK.
And 7 mags on a load out? Seems light.
Light = speed. Im not taking on an Army by myself. And I don't miss. ;)
All I use is an ACOG, basic foregrip, and Surefire.
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Light = speed. Im not taking on an Army by myself. And I don't miss. ;)
All I use is an ACOG, basic foregrip, and Surefire.
I have the SR-25 for the "don't miss" part. It ain't high-speed/low-drag, tho...
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Come on, JNN.
Happy Holidays
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I thought this was going to be about Andrei Karilenko
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AK47 use to be the shit but not anymore so many better guns have come out, this is the gun i would like to buy.
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I have many, in both 7.62 and 5.45. I actually like them a lot. A 5.45 in an AK-105 configuration is probably superior to the M4, especially in a SHTF situation. It's a fine go-to rifle.
except for the lack of readily available ammo.
with a 5.56, in a SHTF situation, you can easily take clips off a dead cop or nat guardsman.
with a 5.45, what you got is what you got.
I'd rather have rifles/pistols in easily acquired calibers. 5.56, 7.62 NATO/.308, 7.62x39, 9mm, .22, 12ga, hell, in some parts of the US even a 30-.06 ect...
hence the reason I never picked up an FN Five-Seven or a .243 or a 6.5.... ideally, you'd have something in every caliber. lol.
I love the AK, but I'm a bigger fan of the FN-FAL (preferably in a tactical folder with a 14in barrel ;D).... "ak for the masses, FAL for the classes." lol
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This man has killed more humans then Hitler , Kahn, Stalin, and the black plague combined and has started and won more revolutions (by proxy) . A very tough firearm hard to beat all around . Yes accuracy is a no , accessories limited , knock down power is great and the ammo is cheap as fuck. Don't have one but would love to have one . Don't think the inflation of the rifle is worthy but oh well if I can find a good one for 500 I'll pick it up....... need accuracy R700 7.62X51
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Will his wife be building a Mystery House also?
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Former military? Id take a m4/m16a4 over any other rifle. ... mostly due to amount time on the weapon platform, the sheer amount odf accessories, and ease of access to rounds.
Give me a m16a4 with an acog and 7 mags and im good to go.
X2. The AK kicks like a mule and is as accurate as a drunken prostitute seeking a gloryhole. 7.62x39 upper on a modern AR15 or M4 is much superior. AK = an old beetle, cheap kinda reliable and plenty abundant. Hence every sand monkey east of Tunis has one.
Here's my Sig M400 with a 7.62 upper with a mid-range 3-9x42mm... 4" grouping @150 yards... impossible to do with an AK.
Nevertheless, great man.
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Great post, Alex
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X2. The AK kicks like a mule and is as accurate as a drunken prostitute seeking a gloryhole. 7.62x39 upper on a modern AR15 or M4 is much superior. AK = an old beetle, cheap kinda reliable and plenty abundant. Hence every sand monkey east of Tunis has one.
Here's my Sig M400 with a 7.62 upper with a mid-range 3-9x42mm... 4" grouping @150 yards... impossible to do with an AK.
Nevertheless, great man.
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb425/A23Corp/2013-12-23203122_zpse7168ddc.jpg)
I see a 5.56 magazine in that rifle ????????????????????????????????????????
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Great post, Alex
Picking up a SCAR 16s next week. A Christmas gift to myself 8). Can't wait to try it. SCAR is basically the AR platform with the bugs shaken out.
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I see a 5.56 magazine in that rifle ????????????????????????????????????????
hehehe... good eye...
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If January's Microsoft contract comes through there will be a post-xmas Waffen Werks ak74 added to the rifle rack! ;D
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If January's Microsoft contract comes through there will be a post-xmas Waffen Werks ak74 added to the rifle rack! ;D
Hey good luck man. Didn't know you were in the IT business, I assume. Contracting for MSFT is usually sustainable and good business.
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Hey good luck man. Didn't know you were in the IT business, I assume. Contracting for MSFT is usually sustainable and good business.
MS wants into the Healthcare industry badly and they use BizTalk as their leverage. I PM BizTalk projects.
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Former military? Id take a m4/m16a4 over any other rifle. ... mostly due to amount time on the weapon platform, the sheer amount odf accessories, and ease of access to rounds.
Give me a m16a4 with an acog and 7 mags and im good to go.
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AGREED 100%, even the M-16A2 is awesome... captured many AK's both Russian and Chinese, all are only good at less than 100 meters, rounds spray everywhere!!!
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MS wants into the Healthcare industry badly and they use BizTalk as their leverage. I PM BizTalk projects.
Hope this works out for you. I don't know about all the verticals they target but from what I've seen in retail and POS the last 3 years, msft is being taken more seriously beyond the small business realm and implementation success rate is impressive. I'm a solution architect and data scientist and my teams specialize in big data and high availability. Often those systems are an input for us (no homo). Healthcare is very big for us right now. I just finished an implementation with Express Scripts/Humana/Signa and a big part of the POS was msft/SQL server. We may cross path one day.
GodSpeed.
PM me if you have any questions :)
oh yea AK47... they look badass.... if you wear a turban 8)
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AGREED 100%, even the M-16A2 is awesome... captured many AK's both Russian and Chinese, all are only good at less than 100 meters, rounds spray everywhere!!!
Good choices guys. My choice is either the FN SCAR Heavy or the good ol' M-14.
Stoner designed rifles (M14 not the FN) are superior to anything a twinkle toed commie coksucker could ever COPY from a German design. Yeah thats right. Compare the AK to the Sturmgehwher 44.
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Good choices guys. My choice is either the FN SCAR Heavy or the good ol' M-14.
Stoner designed rifles (M14 not the FN) are superior to anything a twinkle toed commie coksucker could ever COPY from a German design. Yeah thats right. Compare the AK to the Sturmgehwher 44.
they may look similar but very different ...... that's like saying the same about the M44 M91 , Enfield , m1 garand these guns look very familiar as well and they should because they are period. So is the stg and ak , that design is of period just no one else was doing it
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Than a grain of sand comes around....
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He did an excellent job copying the work of Nazi Germany.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/MP44_-_Tyskland_-_8x33mm_Kurz_-_Arm%C3%A9museum.jpg)
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He did an excellent job copying the work of Nazi Germany.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/MP44_-_Tyskland_-_8x33mm_Kurz_-_Arm%C3%A9museum.jpg)
LOL.. are you saying that post WWII technological goldmines were auctioned between the west and the eastern block? Looks like we got jet tech amongst other things, the Red Army got gun designs, jews leftovers and some space tech ;D
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Indeed.
One of the best known names on planet Earth.
The man may be shooting in heavenly shooting range but his legacy continues to live.
- Lenin Prize
- Hero of Socialist Labor
- Hero of Russian Federation
(http://gdb.rferl.org/B213F20A-B43B-4EA1-8832-E00B9B7439D6_mw1024_n_s.jpg)
(http://nimg.sulekha.com/business/original700/vladimir-putin-mikhail-kalashnikov-2010-5-25-13-0-21.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/19/article-2424923-1BE6253D000005DC-302_634x415.jpg)
Factory Izmash Kalashnikov continues to deliver hope and strength all over the world for the oppressed in their struggle against the imperialists.
(http://www.themoscowtimes.com/upload/kalash_4_krem.jpg)
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Indeed.
One of the best known names on planet Earth.
The man may be shooting in heavenly shooting range but his legacy continues to live.
- Lenin Prize
- Hero of Socialist Labor
- Hero of Russian Federation
(http://gdb.rferl.org/B213F20A-B43B-4EA1-8832-E00B9B7439D6_mw1024_n_s.jpg)
(http://nimg.sulekha.com/business/original700/vladimir-putin-mikhail-kalashnikov-2010-5-25-13-0-21.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/19/article-2424923-1BE6253D000005DC-302_634x415.jpg)
Factory Izmash Kalashnikov continues to deliver hope and strength all over the world for the oppressed in their struggle against the imperialists.
(http://www.themoscowtimes.com/upload/kalash_4_krem.jpg)
All facts. Smart man beyond belief. But like most russians, also crazy fucking eyez. Guy had evil look all day.
AK2013Speed.
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Legend.
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damn if ever there were a guy who looked like a stone cold killer
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Of all the weapons in the vast soviet arsenal, nothing was more profitable than Avtomat Kalashnikova model of 1947. More commonly known as the AK-47, or Kalashnikov. It's the world's most popular assault rifle. A weapon all fighters love. An elegantly simple 9 pound amalgamation of forged steel and plywood. It doesn't break, jam, or overheat. It'll shoot whether it's covered in mud or filled with sand. It's so easy, even a child can use it; and they do. The Soviets put the gun on a coin. Mozambique put it on their flag. Since the end of the Cold War, the Kalashnikov has become the Russian people's greatest export. After that comes vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists.
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Picking up a SCAR 16s next week. A Christmas gift to myself 8). Can't wait to try it. SCAR is basically the AR platform with the bugs shaken out.
I like the scar, but it seems 'flimsy' compared to an FAL. super light and easy to shoot though. my biggest peeve is the stock. :-\
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LOL.. are you saying that post WWII technological goldmines were auctioned between the west and the eastern block? Looks like we got jet tech amongst other things, the Red Army got gun designs, jews leftovers and some space tech ;D
haha... Yes...
"Our" brilliant American rocket scientists...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Dornberger-Axter-von_Braun.jpg)
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:)
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I like the scar, but it seems 'flimsy' compared to an FAL. super light and easy to shoot though. my biggest peeve is the stock. :-\
Yea hate the stock too... looks like a fat sideways gumby. Rumor is Magpul has a nice mod for it coming out in Feb. Collapsible with a chin rest. Dunno much about the SCAR aftermarket, impulse buy, just started looking into it.
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What is the best rifle today?
One of the high tek bullpups?
On another front I was always impressed with the tommy gun, since it had liek 2 moving parts or something.
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What is the best rifle today?
One of the high tek bullpups?
On another front I was always impressed with the tommy gun, since it had liek 2 moving parts or something.
LOL calm down Bonnie & Clide too early to go on a rampage ;D
j/k... good question.. I think there's a lot of factors beside technological "betterness".. cost obviously comes into play and "agreement" on the platform standards accross vendors. The AR/M4 platform has so many variants, accessories almost anything is possible within the realm of the basic design. Kinda like chevy small blocks; it is what it is but some have cranked 800hp+ using aftermarket shit. It ain't no Lambo but gets the job done.
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Best weapon ever?
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Best weapon ever?
A-10 Warthog 8)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33teK7L4DM4)
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Best weapon ever?
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"Best weapon? Right behind me."
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In b4 a marine & his rifle. Besides, wouldn't that be 2 weapons?
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What is the best rifle today?
One of the high tek bullpups?
On another front I was always impressed with the tommy gun, since it had liek 2 moving parts or something.
like a ps90?
like the high velocity round, but doesn't cause a lot of damage.. doesn't drop people like a 5.56, hell, doesn't even drop a person like a 9mm. lol.. but it's accurate and recoil is non-existent.
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Come on, JNN.
Happy Holidays
how is it that you know how to press the "new topic" button like a Korean Teenager presses the "Space Bar" in World of Warcraft but you have no clue how to use the "quote" button,
Drop dead you adult onset Autism sufferer
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except for the lack of readily available ammo.
with a 5.56, in a SHTF situation, you can easily take clips off a dead cop or nat guardsman.
with a 5.45, what you got is what you got.
I'd rather have rifles/pistols in easily acquired calibers. 5.56, 7.62 NATO/.308, 7.62x39, 9mm, .22, 12ga, hell, in some parts of the US even a 30-.06 ect...
hence the reason I never picked up an FN Five-Seven or a .243 or a 6.5.... ideally, you'd have something in every caliber. lol.
I love the AK, but I'm a bigger fan of the FN-FAL (preferably in a tactical folder with a 14in barrel ;D).... "ak for the masses, FAL for the classes." lol
The availability of ammo after the fall is a good point. For now, however, 5.45 is about half the price of even the cheapest 5.56. Overall, I would say that I have more than double the stockpile of 5.56 to 5.45, and a couple hundred good AR 30 rounders.
I am also a big fan of the FAL along with the M-14, but carrying around all that 7.62 x 51 is a pain in non infantry rifle. I use it for scoped LR stuff in the SR25.
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http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/413659-mikhail-kalashnikov-ak-47-inventor-dies-at-94/
RIP
(http://s2.djyimg.com/n3/eet-content/uploads/2013/12/127558042-676x450.jpg)
Arguably the best weapon ever made after the sword.
Supposed to be the most reliable weapon with least maintenance.
far superior to the m16.
Can destroy you kevlar before you even blink
RIP Klashnikov.
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Arguably the best weapon ever made after the sword.
Supposed to be the most reliable weapon with least maintenance.
far superior to the m16.
Can destroy you kevlar before you even blink
RIP Klashnikov.
Don't know about that.
It was when originally introduced, yes, it was light years ahead of the M16A1 with regards to reliability... now? Not so much. The Stoner platform has almost all the kinks ironed out and may have surpassed the Kalashikov with regards to availability, access to rounds, access to parts, and most certainly with variety. You can build any form of the AR you want now, from a long barreled 7.62 weapon to a 10" CQBR type weapon.
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Don't know about that.
It was when originally introduced, yes, it was light years ahead of the M16A1 with regards to reliability... now? Not so much. The Stoner platform has almost all the kinks ironed out and may have surpassed the Kalashikov with regards to availability, access to rounds, access to parts, and most certainly with variety. You can build any form of the AR you want now, from a long barreled 7.62 weapon to a 10" CQBR type weapon.
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Actually the M-16 became pretty much equally competitive to the AK with the introduction of the M-16A2 in mid-1980's, all receivers are internally chrome plated from then on (bye-bye jamming!!).
M-16 is also MUCH more accurate!!!! ;)
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Actually the M-16 became pretty much equally competitive to the AK with the introduction of the M-16A2 in mid-1980's, all receivers are internally chrome plated from then on (bye-bye jamming!!).
M-16 is also MUCH more accurate!!!! ;)
The whole M4/16 gas system is a PITA with all those little parts, FFS, I have a tool to tune the three bolt gaskets to 120 degrees each. Ridiculous.
Once the platform standardizes on a piston design and gets rid of the forward-assist insanity, it'll be fine. Seriously, who the fuck thought that jamming an impeded round into the chamber and into battery was a good idea?
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The whole M4/16 gas system is a PITA with all those little parts, FFS, I have a tool to tune the three bolt gaskets to 120 degrees each. Ridiculous.
Once the platform standardizes on a piston design and gets rid of the forward-assist insanity, it'll be fine. Seriously, who the fuck thought that jamming an impeded round into the chamber and into battery was a good idea?
I dont think I ever used the assist in all the thousands of rounds I fired in the Corps. Also, then newer HK AR style rifles are said to be excellent, amd are being used with the Mk16 and Mk17 SCAR platforms (maybe not the 16, i think they stopped using it) in the specwarfare community.
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I dont think I ever used the assist in all the thousands of rounds I fired in the Corps. Also, then newer HK AR style rifles are said to be excellent, amd are being used with the Mk16 and Mk17 SCAR platforms (maybe not the 16, i think they stopped using it) in the specwarfare community.
I have a friend who is 07/SOT and he has a legit full-auto H&K 416. It is a fine rifle and I have put several thousand rounds out of it.
That said, his FA AK-74 is actually more pleasant to shoot.
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Me?
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Best weapon ever?
AN602 ;)
"Best weapon? Right behind me."
(http://img.rt.com/files/politics/us-missile-defense-russia-europe-467/thermonuclear-launchers-yars-missile.si.jpg)
Guess they never heard of this place. ;D
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I dont think I ever used the assist in all the thousands of rounds I fired in the Corps. Also, then newer HK AR style rifles are said to be excellent, amd are being used with the Mk16 and Mk17 SCAR platforms (maybe not the 16, i think they stopped using it) in the specwarfare community.
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I only did twice in 8.5 years, and 2 wars...
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I dont think I ever used the assist in all the thousands of rounds I fired in the Corps. Also, then newer HK AR style rifles are said to be excellent, amd are being used with the Mk16 and Mk17 SCAR platforms (maybe not the 16, i think they stopped using it) in the specwarfare community.
that's funny cause I've argued with people about the forward assist and I've used mine numerous times on my S&W unless I want to recharge it again and drop a good bullet . Maybe it has something to do with poly mags holding the rounds in too firmly
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ESF how many firearms have you shot with the 5.7 round? I'm noticing you dislike it . Curious
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One of the best thing about the AK design was its sheer pragmatism. A good example is the selector switch (lever). On the M16 platform, it's safe, semi, auto. On the AK it's safe, auto, semi. Why? Because Kalashnikov knew his audience was largely going to be semi-literate peasants (and he didn't know that it would later be semi-literate Hebrews in Africa) with little or no training. He knew that in the heat of battle, the average soviet infantryman would shoulder his safe weapon, attempt the pull the trigger, fail and then, in a panic, push the selector as hard as he can, all the way down to semi-auto. An American designer would have put FA at the bottom and had full mag-dumps at first-contact.
Also, the internal tolerances were measured in centimeters, not nanometers.
I posted this here a year or so ago, but here is a guy I know from around here who built a pretty nice AK out of a fucking shovel.
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/179192-DIY-Shovel-AK-photo-tsunami-warning!
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I have the SR-25 for the "don't miss" part. It ain't high-speed/low-drag, tho...
I hate that piece of shit so bad...anything I've ever used from knights has failed me except the newer 10.75 handguard..
The last piece of knights gear I was issued was the NT-4....complete POS lol
Bench
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I hate that piece of shit so bad...anything I've ever used from knights has failed me except the newer 10.75 handguard..
The last piece of knights gear I was issued was the NT-4....complete POS lol
Bench
I treat mine like a baby, so it isn't too surprising. That said, it shoots better than my Rem 700 PSS in .308.
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Good choices guys. My choice is either the FN SCAR Heavy or the good ol' M-14.
Stoner designed rifles (M14 not the FN) are superior to anything a twinkle toed commie coksucker could ever COPY from a German design. Yeah thats right. Compare the AK to the Sturmgehwher 44.
The SCAR 7.62 is the shit...the only complaint I have is mag capacity...the same complaint I have on all .308 rifles
Bench
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I treat mine like a baby, so it isn't too surprising. That said, it shoots better than my Rem 700 PSS in .308.
GAP makes my precision rigs...if I was ever given the chance to take one with me I would
Bench
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I only did twice in 8.5 years, and 2 wars...
I use mine all the time! Cause they make us do it in drills...otherwise I've only used it on loose tolerance guns to slam to bolt home for a new mag when I'm just playing around..maybe once or twice from not cleaning a supressed rig for 4000+ rounds
Bench
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The SCAR 7.62 is the shit...the only complaint I have is mag capacity...the same complaint I have on all .308 rifles
Bench
how about the 6.8 instead.... I thought NATO was gonna adopt that round
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The SCAR 7.62 is the shit...the only complaint I have is mag capacity...the same complaint I have on all .308 rifles
Bench
yeah It has 20 round mags right? Not a fan of that either. I talked to a MARSOC guy not to long ago that said he qas in love with it.... Mk.17 I believe. I guess Navy SPECWAR decided against the Mk 16, because the M4s they have already do the job just fine, and they added the Mk 17 to have a 7.62 assault rifle/carbine to have the extra knockdown power in their repertoire.
basically the contracts they already had for the M4 and its accessories made some officers/politicians way to much money to approve the Mk16 SCAR.. lulz.
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He didn't die they are just going to stick him in mud for a week then rinse him off and he should be good to work.
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After too many years of being a weapons enthusiast, I no longer have any interest.
But a long while back we over-ran the bad guy's position and managed to obtain a couple of AK's which, needless to say, we had to hand over to some G-2 officer.
But before doing so, we all took turns firing a decent number of rounds into the river from an high bridge (before we blew it up) and if memory serves me well, I recall that it felt pretty damn primitive with quite a jolt.
Can one of you experts confirm if this is actually an AK 47 and if you ever fired one yourself?
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After too many years of being a weapons enthusiast, I no longer have any interest.
But a long while back we over-ran the bad guy's position and managed to obtain a couple of AK's which, needless to say, we had to hand over to some G-2 officer.
But before doing so, we all took turns firing a decent number of rounds into the river from an high bridge (before we blew it up) and if memory serves me well, I recall that it felt pretty damn primitive with quite a jolt.
Can one of you experts confirm if this is actually an AK 47 and if you ever fired one yourself?
vietnam Marine? I think they used a lot of Chinese AK copies, so thats probably what you were firing.
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SHOCK! Thanks! I think you're correct.
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ESF is right about the FN-FAL. Far superior in every way to AKM platforms. If I had the money, FN-SCAR HEAVY or HK 416. The AKM is a simple tool. The FN and HK weapons are precision weapons, and for that matter, the M4/M16 has been engineered throughout the years to be the superior weapons. I fired the FNSCAR HEAVY once and that is the epitome of firearms engineering, in my opinion. Look up the specs on it and if you can try one out do it and I think almost everyone will agree.
Also, Tito24 trolling at epic rates today. :D
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Will his wife be building a Mystery House also?
Winchester lady?
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ESF is right about the FN-FAL. Far superior in every way to AKM platforms. If I had the money, FN-SCAR HEAVY or HK 416. The AKM is a simple tool. The FN and HK weapons are precision weapons, and for that matter, the M4/M16 has been engineered throughout the years to be the superior weapons. I fired the FNSCAR HEAVY once and that is the epitome of firearms engineering, in my opinion. Look up the specs on it and if you can try one out do it and I think almost everyone will agree.
Also, Tito24 trolling at epic rates today. :D
ivr handled a mk 17 (SCAR H), but never fired it. I loved the way the grips felt, the stock seemed kinda iffy, but otherwise felt solid
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how about the 6.8 instead.... I thought NATO was gonna adopt that round
It's a decent round but hyped it 'twas,..didn't really blow away the 556 in any way
Bench
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ivr handled a mk 17 (SCAR H), but never fired it. I loved the way the grips felt, the stock seemed kinda iffy, but otherwise felt solid
The stock on the one i fired felt fine, but I am pretty sure he modified it. This thing was tricked out.
The one i fired was owned by a guy that my buddy knows and this dude has at least 7-8 grand worth of rifle with the trijicon acog he had on it. We were out in a big field and had targets out at 300-500 yards and it felt like plinking targets at 50 feet. FN is my favorite firearms manufacturer. That ACOG is a sweet little invention. I see why spec warfare guys love this rifle so much. That .308 round is deadly. It was destroying the barrels we had out at those ranges.
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yeah It has 20 round mags right? Not a fan of that either. I talked to a MARSOC guy not to long ago that said he qas in love with it.... Mk.17 I believe. I guess Navy SPECWAR decided against the Mk 16, because the M4s they have already do the job just fine, and they added the Mk 17 to have a 7.62 assault rifle/carbine to have the extra knockdown power in their repertoire.
basically the contracts they already had for the M4 and its accessories made some officers/politicians way to much money to approve the Mk16 SCAR.. lulz.
If I had to choose between the mk16 and the M4 I'd choose the m4 all day....the 17 is just a different animal though..I'm waiting on a stamp right now for my 12.5" barrel
In all honesty on a battle rifle I'd still rather have the 556 for CQC...I shot my 11.5" ar10 off inside a building one time during a training session and it moved ceiling tiles....308 concussion and muzzle blast is too much on a short barrel combat weapon
Bench
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The stock on the one i fired felt fine, but I am pretty sure he modified it. This thing was tricked out.
The one i fired was owned by a guy that my buddy knows and this dude has at least 7-8 grand worth of rifle with the trijicon acog he had on it. We were out in a big field and had targets out at 300-500 yards and it felt like plinking targets at 50 feet. FN is my favorite firearms manufacturer. That ACOG is a sweet little invention. I see why spec warfare guys love this rifle so much. That .308 round is deadly. It was destroying the barrels we had out at those ranges.
When I was issued the 17(only for 1 1/2 month) I ran the Swarovski n6i 1-6 on it...now on my personal 17 I run the same optic in a bobro mount..
Bench
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ESF is right about the FN-FAL. Far superior in every way to AKM platforms. If I had the money, FN-SCAR HEAVY or HK 416. The AKM is a simple tool. The FN and HK weapons are precision weapons, and for that matter, the M4/M16 has been engineered throughout the years to be the superior weapons. I fired the FNSCAR HEAVY once and that is the epitome of firearms engineering, in my opinion. Look up the specs on it and if you can try one out do it and I think almost everyone will agree.
Also, Tito24 trolling at epic rates today. :D
One of my most used guns I own is my fal..folder stock, 12" barrel..loud as shit but it's fun..I've taken it to carbine classes a couple of times just to play around
Bench
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One of my most used guns I own is my fal..folder stock, 12" barrel..loud as shit but it's fun..I've taken it to carbine classes a couple of times just to play around
Bench
Do you wear short with it ;D?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c1/Rhodesian_reservists_on_patrol.jpg)
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Do you wear short with it ;D?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c1/Rhodesian_reservists_on_patrol.jpg)
Haven't considered it! Gonna have to take the scissors to my board shorts!
Bench
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Just dusted off my ak and shot off a few rounds in my backyard...wasn't wearing ear pro ..which sucks cause the barrel is only 7.5"..got a badass headache now
Bench
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AK47 is the greatest war rifle ever. EVER! For me, it beats the AR hands down for one reason. The piston driven bolt vs the gas system of the AR. If the AR takes a nasty spill, you risk damaging the gas system. For a war / SHTF rifle, the AK wins. I can throw my AK's down a hillside, and not worry about it firing. Can't say the same for my AR's.
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AK47 is the greatest war rifle ever. EVER! For me, it beats the AR hands down for one reason. The piston driven bolt vs the gas system of the AR. If the AR takes a nasty spill, you risk damaging the gas system. For a war / SHTF rifle, the AK wins. I can throw my AK's down a hillside, and not worry about it firing. Can't say the same for my AR's.
have you been in a war with an AK or an AR?
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Lots of state of the art high tech weapons out there...but for the avg Joe looking for an all purpose rifle in a SHTF world...AK wins.
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have you been in a war with an AK or an AR?
Nope, neither.
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Nope, neither.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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AK47 is the greatest war rifle ever. EVER! For me, it beats the AR hands down for one reason. The piston driven bolt vs the gas system of the AR. If the AR takes a nasty spill, you risk damaging the gas system. For a war / SHTF rifle, the AK wins. I can throw my AK's down a hillside, and not worry about it firing. Can't say the same for my AR's.
All of this made me laugh lol
I've had several ak's explode in my hands...the worst I've ever had out of an AR/M4/SPR was a case head separation due to an ammo problem..
Modern AR's and m4's exceed the ak's reliability by a long shot, and accuracy and range are way better
Bench
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AK47 is the greatest war rifle ever. EVER! For me, it beats the AR hands down for one reason. The piston driven bolt vs the gas system of the AR. If the AR takes a nasty spill, you risk damaging the gas system. For a war / SHTF rifle, the AK wins. I can throw my AK's down a hillside, and not worry about it firing. Can't say the same for my AR's.
Greatest war rifle by the way is likely the FN FAL...lots of military use them..more reliable than an ak, built to better specs, more accurate, and shoot a .308...
I for one though think of weapons as tools...so I have no favorite in general weapon
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All of this made me laugh lol
I've had several ak's explode in my hands...the worst I've ever had out of an AR/M4/SPR was a case head separation due to an ammo problem..
Modern AR's and m4's exceed the ak's reliability by a long shot, and accuracy and range are way better
Bench
And I can say exactly the opposite, based on my personal use. I've never had a single misfire, jam, etc. with my AK's. Nothing in 10000+ rounds! My AR's on the other hand: Light primer strikes, fail to feed, fail to fire, not going into battery, magazine not seating all the way, etc. Don't get me wrong, I love the AR, and it offers much more than the AK (especially at distance). However, if I could only keep one platform, it would be the AK. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
Having said all that, I don't use my AK's for anything except target shooting. My AR's on the other hand go hog hunting, and they do a fine job.
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And I can say exactly the opposite, based on my personal use. I've never had a single misfire, jam, etc. with my AK's. Nothing in 10000+ rounds! My AR's on the other hand: Light primer strikes, fail to feed, fail to fire, not going into battery, magazine not seating all the way, etc. Don't get me wrong, I love the AR, and it offers much more than the AK (especially at distance). However, if I could only keep one platform, it would be the AK. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
Having said all that, I don't use my AK's for anything except target shooting. My AR's on the other hand go hog hunting, and they do a fine job.
You either don't have an ar, or you do have one and it's a POS
Bench
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You either don't have an ar, or you do have one and it's a POS
Bench
I've had a 6940, 6920, PSA build, Spikes build, Bushmaster 14.5. I currently have two Core15's and I'm building two PSA's. I've had issues (big or small) with all except the Core15's, and the Spikes build. I've had a handful of AK's, and currently have a Mak90 and a PAP-N. Again, I've never had a single issue with any of my AK's in over 10000+ rounds, other than the fact that I can't hit shit with them past 100 yards.
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Greatest war rifle by the way is likely the FN FAL...lots of military use them..more reliable than an ak, built to better specs, more accurate, and shoot a .308...
I for one though think of weapons as tools...so I have no favorite in general weapon
Bench
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I've had a 6940, 6920, PSA build, Spikes build, Bushmaster 14.5. I currently have two Core15's and I'm building two PSA's. I've had issues (big or small) with all except the Core15's, and the Spikes build. I've had a handful of AK's, and currently have a Mak90 and a PAP-N. Again, I've never had a single issue with any of my AK's in over 10000+ rounds, other than the fact that I can't hit shit with them past 100 yards.
I think youre a fluke.... and plinking is nothing like wartime, or even training for wartime. No offense bro. I haven't been deployed but the differences just in training are huge... and the feedback ive heard from my buds thT deployed paint a completely different picture than what youve generally heard. ARs arent the unreliable piece of plastic crap they used to
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I think youre a fluke.... and plinking is nothing like wartime, or even training for wartime. No offense bro. I haven't been deployed but the differences just in training are huge... and the feedback ive heard from my buds thT deployed paint a completely different picture than what youve generally heard. ARs arent the unreliable piece of plastic crap they used to
Right. This myth that the AR platform is unreliable and fragile is totally false. It stems back to the Vietnam War when the M16 was first fielded. The troops had M14's already and that is a phenomenal weapon. They replaced that with the M16 and were falsely told that it did not require any cleaning! needless to say, failures occurred. It was always supposed to have a cleaning kit and when the troops started properly cleaning them, they worked great. Since then, the AR's have been even further improved to where now they are infinitely superior to the AK.
Still for me, FN and HK weapons are my choice if I had to ever use one in combat. SCAR H or HK416. Cant be beat.
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I think youre a fluke.... and plinking is nothing like wartime, or even training for wartime. No offense bro. I haven't been deployed but the differences just in training are huge... and the feedback ive heard from my buds thT deployed paint a completely different picture than what youve generally heard. ARs arent the unreliable piece of plastic crap they used to
They were never unreliable...the military just used the wrong propellant when they loaded the shells..once they stopped using the wrong powder the problem was solved...they use to have a barrel twist that was completely wrong for anything but light as hell 32-35grain prairie dog rounds..the materials used today are different too
Bench
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I think youre a fluke.... and plinking is nothing like wartime, or even training for wartime. No offense bro. I haven't been deployed but the differences just in training are huge... and the feedback ive heard from my buds thT deployed paint a completely different picture than what youve generally heard. ARs arent the unreliable piece of plastic crap they used to
I never said they were plinking was like wartime, and never said AR's were unreliable plastic crap. I'm merely stating my personal experiences with both weapon platforms. I'm very familiar with both weapons, and know the pros and cons of both.
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Right. This myth that the AR platform is unreliable and fragile is totally false. It stems back to the Vietnam War when the M16 was first fielded. The troops had M14's already and that is a phenomenal weapon. They replaced that with the M16 and were falsely told that it did not require any cleaning! needless to say, failures occurred. It was always supposed to have a cleaning kit and when the troops started properly cleaning them, they worked great. Since then, the AR's have been even further improved to where now they are infinitely superior to the AK.
Still for me, FN and HK weapons are my choice if I had to ever use one in combat. SCAR H or HK416. Cant be beat.
As a kid I used to run around my parents property with an m14/m1a....that rifle is simply too heavy and bulky...I still have that rifle..had a 18" krieger barrel put on it about a year ago..everything else is the way my dad gave it to me...3-9x44 scope was upgraded to a 4-14x44 mil-dot in my teens cause my dad crushed the original one with his 4 wheeler
And the H&K 416 can be improved upon and has...pws uses a long stroke piston instead of the 416 short stroke..it's a better rifle to me.....but at the end of the day I still don't prefer a piston gun
Bench
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I never said they were plinking was like wartime, and never said AR's were unreliable plastic crap. I'm merely stating my personal experiences with both weapon platforms. I'm very familiar with both weapons, and know the pros and cons of both.
I just assumed that was the connection you were making when you said the best rifle for wartime even though you stated you had never had any wartime experience or training.
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I just assumed that was the connection you were making when you said the best rifle for wartime even though you stated you had never had any wartime experience or training.
Never assume. :D
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The first model M16 was rushed out to the soldiers and was not 100% , also none of our boys had any training with it on how to quickly fix the fails , like double feeding or jamming . Remember these are repetitive muscle memory so many life's were lost fumbling around with an unfamiliar weapon platform . I say the AK is a fucking brute and as reliable as a good ole shotgun but as a weapons system or a platform no and if it was then every nation with a formidable military would use them. FAL I don't have experience with but a STYER AUG or STG whatever they are called I would rank slightly above the M4 platform
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(http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00rCoQujpHaelL/Vodka-Ak-47-.jpg)
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This is my assault rifle. It never jams and it's more powerful than an AK47 or an AR-15. Besides it just looks so cool.
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This is my assault rifle. It never jams and it's more powerful than an AK47 or an AR-15. Besides it just looks so cool.
hey I have one of those. .. model 90 .30/30s... fun rifle.
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hey I have one of those. .. model 90 .30/30s... fun rifle.
Model 90? ???
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Model 90? ???
94.
Typing too faat on my phone. Derp.
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This is my assault rifle. It never jams and it's more powerful than an AK47 or an AR-15. Besides it just looks so cool.
Don't fuk wit Chuck! ;D
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This is my assault rifle. It never jams and it's more powerful than an AK47 or an AR-15. Besides it just looks so cool.
Oh, they can jam! I had one jam on me a few years back...I held the gun while my buddy double handed the lever...never found out what the hell it jammed up on...that rifle never did that again..his was a 45-70
Bench
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Lots of state of the art high tech weapons out there...but for the avg Joe looking for an all purpose rifle in a SHTF world...AK wins.
You can spray bulletatos going auto on the klashnikov. It will be like earth getting hit by lotof comets.
anything that comes in the way destroyed, including your kevlar.
The maximum firepower gun for its size and the least maintenance.
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I think youre a fluke.... and plinking is nothing like wartime, or even training for wartime. No offense bro. I haven't been deployed but the differences just in training are huge... and the feedback ive heard from my buds thT deployed paint a completely different picture than what youve generally heard. ARs arent the unreliable piece of plastic crap they used to
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I've been deployed 2 times- I'll give you some feedback... AK's strong point is at CLOSE range, less than 100 meters, more than that the rounds are EVERYWHERE, whizzing and popping overhead!!!
M-16's distinguish themselves by ACCURACY, enemy regularly being dropped at 300 meters (try that with any AK). ;)
We used to have the FN, and I'll give you my opinion- accurate, hard hitting, but AMMO is very, very heavy to hump 10km marches!!! >:(
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I've been deployed 2 times- I'll give you some feedback... AK's strong point is at CLOSE range, less than 100 meters, more than that the rounds are EVERYWHERE, whizzing and popping overhead!!!
M-16's distinguish themselves by ACCURACY, enemy regularly being dropped at 300 meters (try that with any AK). ;)
We used to have the FN, and I'll give you my opinion- accurate, hard hitting, but AMMO is very, very heavy to hump 10km marches!!! >:(
Do not underestimate the value of infantry training accuracy. The average Joe that carries an AK has far less training.
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I've been deployed 2 times- I'll give you some feedback... AK's strong point is at CLOSE range, less than 100 meters, more than that the rounds are EVERYWHERE, whizzing and popping overhead!!!
M-16's distinguish themselves by ACCURACY, enemy regularly being dropped at 300 meters (try that with any AK). ;)
We used to have the FN, and I'll give you my opinion- accurate, hard hitting, but AMMO is very, very heavy to hump 10km marches!!! >:(
FN FAL or SCAR?
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FN FAL or SCAR?
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The Canadian Forces operated a number of versions, the most common being the C1A1, similar to the British L1A1 (which became more or less a Commonwealth standard). It was manufactured under license by the Canadian Arsenals Limited company. Although the FAL was created in Belgium, Canada was the first to adopt it. The Canadian Forces began using the C1, a modified version of the FAL, in 1955. It served as Canada's standard battle rifle until 1984, when it began to be phased out in favor of the lighter Diemaco C7, a licence-built version of the US M16. The Canadians also operated an automatic variant, the C2A1, as a section support weapon, which was very similar to the Australian L2A1. The C1A1 was also adopted by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in 1961.
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I've been deployed 2 times- I'll give you some feedback... AK's strong point is at CLOSE range, less than 100 meters, more than that the rounds are EVERYWHERE, whizzing and popping overhead!!!
M-16's distinguish themselves by ACCURACY, enemy regularly being dropped at 300 meters (try that with any AK). ;)
We used to have the FN, and I'll give you my opinion- accurate, hard hitting, but AMMO is very, very heavy to hump 10km marches!!! >:(
Give an average guy an AK47 and he will have trouble hitting a man sized target at 200 yards. That's why all these third world countries just put it on automatic and spray. An M16 will be mainly hits at 200 yards with a average trained shooter.
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No wonder friendly fire number is so high. ;D
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Give an average guy an AK47 and he will have trouble hitting a man sized target at 200 yards. That's why all these third world countries just put it on automatic and spray. An M16 will be mainly hits at 200 yards with a average trained shooter.
even the iron sites on an m16 are very intuitive and easy to use with a modicum of training.
we had to hit targets accurately at 500 yards just to qualify in boot camp. Of course range shooting with an iron sited m16 is a lot different than combat situations with optics....
our PMI was a grunt DMR who was deployed to fallujah... and to show off the fucker was hitting perfect dead center at 500 yards STANDING with one of the recruits iron sited m16a2's. It was insane.
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even the iron sites on an m16 are very intuitive and easy to use with a modicum of training.
we had to hit targets accurately at 500 yards just to qualify in boot camp. Of course range shooting with an iron sited m16 is a lot different than combat situations with optics....
our PMI was a grunt DMR who was deployed to fallujah... and to show off the fucker was hitting perfect dead center at 500 yards STANDING with one of the recruits iron sited m16a2's. It was insane.
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That's INSANE, my friend... best I've done STANDING dead-center is 200 meters!
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even the iron sites on an m16 are very intuitive and easy to use with a modicum of training.
we had to hit targets accurately at 500 yards just to qualify in boot camp. Of course range shooting with an iron sited m16 is a lot different than combat situations with optics....
our PMI was a grunt DMR who was deployed to fallujah... and to show off the fucker was hitting perfect dead center at 500 yards STANDING with one of the recruits iron sited m16a2's. It was insane.
That's pretty damn impressive. I had trouble hitting BARRELS at 500 yds standing with a red dot. :-[
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Oh, they can jam! I had one jam on me a few years back...I held the gun while my buddy double handed the lever...never found out what the hell it jammed up on...that rifle never did that again..his was a 45-70
Bench
ahh.. love that rifle. remember being 12yrs old on my grandpa's farm on weekends, walking through the woods from morning till night in the middle of winter with one of those. must've gone through 100 rounds a day putting holes through old car doors. shoulder and hand wouldn't stop hurting till Friday.. then go back out and do it again.
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ahh.. love that rifle. remember being 12yrs old on my grandpa's farm on weekends, walking through the woods from morning till night in the middle of winter with one of those. must've gone through 100 rounds a day putting holes through old car doors. shoulder and hand wouldn't stop hurting till Friday.. then go back out and do it again.
My Marlin 1895 in .45/70 is my go-to hunting gun. I spent a lot of time working up stupid loads for it, culminating in a hard-cast 550 gr. whopper @ 1700 FPS. In that tiny 7 pound gun, it could knock you over. Never did shoot anything with those loads because they were so insane. Did take a lot of wild pigs with 405 gr. jacketed.
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RIP to the guy who invented the gun I wish the threadstarter would suck on
Blasphemy. Why do you dislike Arce?
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He did an excellent job copying the work of Nazi Germany.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/MP44_-_Tyskland_-_8x33mm_Kurz_-_Arm%C3%A9museum.jpg)
Actually yes, AK47 is imitation of legendary Schmeisser !.
Just like Ural bike imitates BMW bike.
(Why U a still using "Nazi" terminology !)
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Actually yes, AK47 is imitation of legendary Schmeisser !.
Just like Ural bike imitates BMW bike.
(Why U a still using "Nazi" terminology !)
That's not a Schmeisser (MP-40), that's a Sturmgewehr (StG-44)
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That's not a Schmeisser (MP-40), that's a Sturmgewehr (StG-44)
If U have 1 for sale PM me ;)
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If U have 1 for sale PM me ;)
Which one? I don't have either, but I know a local guy that has both for sale. The StG shoots a rather hard to find cartridge 7.92x39 IIRC. The MP-40 shoots 9mm.
Both are available as 03FFL buys. For the same money, and a more functional FA, go with a M-16 RR or a MP-5
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Which one? I don't have either, but I know a local guy that has both for sale. The StG shoots a rather hard to find cartridge 7.92x39 IIRC. The MP-40 shoots 9mm.
Both are available as 03FFL buys. For the same money, and a more functional FA, go with a M-16 RR or a MP-5
Thanks man, PM please ;)
Interested in original Wermachts gear only, chinese fakes on markets >:(
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I was expert usmc in every weapon
.45
9mm
m16 (5.56)
m40 (.308)
etc
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I was expert usmc in every weapon
.45
9mm
m16 (5.56)
m40 (.308)
etc
because of your MP stuff? You said you were SWAT, I didnt know we had a SWAT team, unless it was like the current FAST teams that are a part of security forces....
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Yes... MP and as a special unit, we were SRT (Special Reaction Team) USMC changed our name a few times... to SWAT, SEB, etc
we had HK MP5 etc
http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/marines/a/srt.htm
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(http://www.specwargear.com/images/USMC%20SRT-7.jpg)
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Just filled out a form 1, and most of a form 4 to be sent off tomorrow
Bench
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Just filled out a form 1, and most of a form 4 to be sent off tomorrow
Bench
Whatcha gettin?
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I was expert usmc in every weapon
.45
9mm
m16 (5.56)
m40 (.308)
etc
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I'm also cross-trained in 81mm mortar, Carl-Gustav Anti-Tank Recoilless Rifle 84mm.
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yeah, I did cross train on other usmc weapons too
40mm
.50 cal
m249
m60
etc
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.22 Hollow point is a deadly weapon. Carry one in my car.
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.22 Hollow point is a deadly weapon. Carry one in my car.
reported.
carry 60 grain subsonic rounds from Aquila.
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reported.
carry 60 grain subsonic rounds from Aquila.
Nice. I have a can for my P22. Quiet as a whisper.
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Whatcha gettin?
A few new sbr's and a new suppressor
Bench
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I'm also cross-trained in 81mm mortar, Carl-Gustav Anti-Tank Recoilless Rifle 84mm.
I was in Iraq when for some reason the SEALs were being constantly turned down for air support for target houses...after that they would go out and the first sign of a bullet our of any of those structures would set off a whole firing line of Carl gustav rockets from those SEALs..they did it to the point where their headshed was given an official directive to give them more air support cause they damaged too much of ramadi with the CG's lol
Bench
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I was in Iraq when for some reason the SEALs were being constantly turned down for air support for target houses...after that they would go out and the first sign of a bullet our of any of those structures would set off a whole firing line of Carl gustav rockets from those SEALs..they did it to the point where their headshed was given an official directive to give them more air support cause they damaged too much of ramadi with the CG's lol
Bench
Awesome. SEALS are in the limelight now because of the high profile ops in recent years, but there is no amount of praise or awe that would suffice to truly give those guys their due respect. Just surviving BUDS/T is unbelievable, but what they do in real world ops is astonishing. Imagine the 99.9% of what they do that we don't ever know about? The tiny fraction that gets out is amazing, imagine what we dont hear about.
Destroying too much ramadi? They should level that whole toilet to the ground completely along with all the hayhab's living there. Innocent bystanders...... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) just happened to find that AK or RPG on the ground, right? ::) ::)
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Awesome. SEALS are in the limelight now because of the high profile ops in recent years, but there is no amount of praise or awe that would suffice to truly give those guys their due respect. Just surviving BUDS/T is unbelievable, but what they do in real world ops is astonishing. Imagine the 99.9% of what they do that we don't ever know about? The tiny fraction that gets out is amazing, imagine what we dont hear about.
Destroying too much ramadi? They should level that whole toilet to the ground completely along with all the hayhab's living there. Innocent bystanders...... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) just happened to find that AK or RPG on the ground, right? ::) ::)
That was either team 5 or 10...they replaced team 3 when their tour was over
I have a few friends that either are SEALs..a few formers, and a few retired ones...my dad was a Rolex seal
I am biased towards the SEALs by a long shot..but I've seen them earn it a lot of times..they aren't alone though..you got groups like the polish grom..and the original high speeds the British SAS..the Australians, hell, even DELTA (almost threw up saying that) who go out there everyday and get it done
Now that the marines joined socom I have a feeling you will be hearing a lot more about MARSOC and a lot less about green berets since the army has decided to make them teachers instead of warfighters these days
Bench
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Looks like someone got American Sniper for Xmas.
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Looks like someone got American Sniper for Xmas.
Epic Euro jealousy on American war talent.
We live it bitch.
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Epic Euro jealousy on American war talent.
We live it bitch.
By "we", you don't mean you and your internet fantasist chum, do you?
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Looks like someone got American Sniper for Xmas.
haha, was just reading that. Good catch. Never know gor sure if bench is legit or not... although he has posted a couple pics while he was in country, and behind the rifle.... if they were his pics.
its part of his mystique.
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That was either team 5 or 10...they replaced team 3 when their tour was over
I have a few friends that either are SEALs..a few formers, and a few retired ones...my dad was a Rolex seal
I am biased towards the SEALs by a long shot..but I've seen them earn it a lot of times..they aren't alone though..you got groups like the polish grom..and the original high speeds the British SAS..the Australians, hell, even DELTA (almost threw up saying that) who go out there everyday and get it done
Now that the marines joined socom I have a feeling you will be hearing a lot more about MARSOC and a lot less about green berets since the army has decided to make them teachers instead of warfighters these days
Bench
Are the SEALS partly in the limelight to cover the actions of the others like the SAS and Delta?....SEALS seem to getting credit for every special forces action now.
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I was in Iraq when for some reason the SEALs were being constantly turned down for air support for target houses...after that they would go out and the first sign of a bullet our of any of those structures would set off a whole firing line of Carl gustav rockets from those SEALs..they did it to the point where their headshed was given an official directive to give them more air support cause they damaged too much of ramadi with the CG's lol
Bench
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WE used to use them primarily for silencing machine gun nests and also for use on large Russian trucks/APC's (BTR's, BMP's)/Old Tanks (T-54, T-62).
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haha, was just reading that. Good catch. Never know gor sure if bench is legit or not... although he has posted a couple pics while he was in country, and behind the rifle.... if they were his pics.
its part of his mystique.
Yeah, its a good read. He seemed like a pretty cool cat.
Personally, I think "Bench" is a Suckmymuscle level bullshiter, but for some reason this Walter Mitty gets a pass.
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there are times when guns don't just get it right.
I've had a glock that was just plain funky in the past. I've owned 5 or 6 and they were all great... this G26 was just weak soup.
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Yeah, its a good read. He seemed like a pretty cool cat.
Personally, I think "Bench" is a Suckmymuscle level bullshiter, but for some reason this Walter Mitty gets a pass.
Let's see:
-claims a resting heartrate of 120
-sleeps 2 hours a night
-something unbelievable about Osama bin Laden...like he had the chance to capture him, but his commander ordered him to stand down
Just your average getbigger
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Let's see:
-claims a resting heartrate of 120
-sleeps 2 hours a night
-something unbelievable about Osama bin Laden...like he had the chance to capture him, but his commander ordered him to stand down
Just your average getbigger
Graduated university a year early
Worked for DEA
Worked for the police
Got shot
Was/is a deniable contractor doing covert ops
Street raced cars
etc, etc...
All completely plausible.
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haha, was just reading that. Good catch. Never know gor sure if bench is legit or not... although he has posted a couple pics while he was in country, and behind the rifle.... if they were his pics.
its part of his mystique.
man I would have to say that its almost impossible for one man to be that knowledgeable about being a legit operator without being one..... I have a lot of good friends that are cops , army , marines, rangers and possibly CIA he won't tell us what he does since he left the air force .... also a few gun for hires that I've met through the years and I can't even relate to half the shit he's referring to..... so yes either 110%legit or one of the best bullshitters to eexist
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But for now Ill take bench advice
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man I would have to say that its almost impossible for one man to be that knowledgeable about being a legit operator without being one..... I have a lot of good friends that are cops , army , marines, rangers and possibly CIA he won't tell us what he does since he left the air force .... also a few gun for hires that I've met through the years and I can't even relate to half the shit he's referring to..... so yes either 110%legit or one of the best bullshitters to eexist
Same way I feel. Some of the things he says set off my "Operator" radar... i just leave it alone and wonder. It makes it more awesome that way.
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Same way I feel. Some of the things he says set off my "Operator" radar... i just leave it alone and wonder. It makes it more awesome that way.
A picture of bench ;D
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A picture of bench ;D
bullshit
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bullshit
Which one? ;)
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The pic.... or did you just post a marine
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The pic.... or did you just post a marine
That guy is a faker from "thisainthell".
His uniform is terribly fucked up.
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Disgusting
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Navy SEAL Marine Cyborg Ninja witch.
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Navy SEAL Marine Cyborg Ninja witch.
LMAO ;D
That guy is an ' operator ' spec-ops DEVGRU his code name was agent orange real hush-hush
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A picture of bench ;D
LOL. That soup sandwich has been to every school, including BUD/S!
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LOL. That soup sandwich has been to every school, including BUD/S!
right? You speak like former military... branch?
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right? You speak like former military... branch?
Nope.
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A picture of bench ;D
This slimy walrus looking piece of shit has the fucking nerve to wear a Trident? Who would ever believe this tub of lard would ever have been a SEAL? This buffoon would have an infarction standing in front of NSWC. And all his ribbons... OMFG.....hebrew please. ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Lol at Bench being an "operator". As for his knowledge, everyone's an expert on something nowadays due to the internet. I know shitloads about boxing, but doesn't mean i've ever stepped in the ring. That shit he was typing about Ramadi was lifted pretty much from American Sniper.
I've called him out on his bullshit before. Think about any "highspeed" dudes you know, could you imagine them typing shit like this on a bodybuilding forum:
iraq war was a bush admin agenda......i got several $600,000 paychecks from that war just to make sure haliburton execs stayed safe under top government order.....that was is pricey...and fully agenda fuelled..
so no need to even bring up agendas....that how presidents get votes in case you didnt notice...by pushing agendas for people to buy into
bench
so true...i have been on missions where the news reported all of us died......and no one died....our voice is never heard simply because most of us arent trying to profit off of it...
bench
we were doing a large cocaine bust in Austin and upon entering the house bullets started flying three a fake "look out wall" two 45's hit my vest and the guy behind me was shot in the pelvis and leg several times so i hit the ground the rear lookout dragged the middle man out and i proceded to unload 2 30 round clips out of my AR-15 into the wall and got him several times all over(dead) then after the rear entry team made contact with me we searched the rest of the structure and found two more armed suspects that surrendered before shots were fired again both had gun shot wound from me because they were also behind the wall when i started dropping rounds into that biatch after that i went to the hospital and i had several cracked ribs and some minor internal bleeding(nothing serious though)and now the making me go to sniper school for making a less than practical decision when shots were fired
i love my job
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Lol at Bench being an "operator". As for his knowledge, everyone's an expert on something nowadays due to the internet. I know shitloads about boxing, but doesn't mean i've ever stepped in the ring. That shit he was typing about Ramadi was lifted pretty much from American Sniper.
I've called him out on his bullshit before. Think about any "highspeed" dudes you know, could you imagine them typing shit like this on a bodybuilding forum:
Meltdown
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So bench is a big bullshitter? ???
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Even Bench will tell you that there is no way to be sure. I will say that he knows a lot about weapons and especially the rather arcane world of class 3 weaponry. There are other ways to aquire that knowledge, but the most popular is BTDT.
It's safe to say that many of us in that little niche community have rather "interesting" pasts.
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I am NOT a Merc.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Il_Condottiere.jpg/433px-Il_Condottiere.jpg)
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Lol at Bench being an "operator". As for his knowledge, everyone's an expert on something nowadays due to the internet. I know shitloads about boxing, but doesn't mean i've ever stepped in the ring. That shit he was typing about Ramadi was lifted pretty much from American Sniper.
I've called him out on his bullshit before. Think about any "highspeed" dudes you know, could you imagine them typing shit like this on a bodybuilding forum:
No, not really.... BUT, there are always "those guys", even in the world of Special Operations....
No way to know for sure. I figure, statistaclly speaking, we HAVE to have at least one operator\contractor\whatever the fuck you want to classify him as on getbig...
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Graduated university a year early
Worked for DEA
Worked for the police
Got shot
Was/is a deniable contractor doing covert ops
Street raced cars
etc, etc...
All completely plausible.
Cool
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Give me a m16a4 with an acog and 7 mags and im good to go.
Agree 100 percent. Hell, I'd be gtg with an M16A2.
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I got to fire an Ak47 on one of my trips to Cambodia. They also had Chinese copies which were cheaper to use but looked very rough in comparison.
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Agree 100 percent. Hell, I'd be gtg with an M16A2.
I used to be like you, until I started to build AKs. These days, if ammo-scrounging wasn't a consideration, my g2g would be an AK-105 with a Krink brake and a 14" barrel. The 5.45 is a nice round and the AK action is a pragmatic masterpiece.
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I used to be like you, until I started to build AKs. These days, if ammo-scrounging wasn't a consideration, my g2g would be an AK-105 with a Krink brake and a 14" barrel. The 5.45 is a nice round and the AK action is a pragmatic masterpiece.
I like a rifle that shoots straight. I'm silly like that. :D
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I like a rifle that shoots straight. I'm silly like that. :D
And I am silly about a rifle that says "bang" every time I pull the trigger.
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And I am silly about a rifle that says "bang" every time I pull the trigger.
touche
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What about the AK74? Getting one for the birthday and it seems to resolve all the criticisms of the AK47.
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What about the AK74? Getting one for the birthday and it seems to resolve all the criticisms of the AK47.
The 105 that I love was built off a Bulgarian '74.
It's exactly the same as the 47 with a different barrel and slightly lighter recoil spring. All internals are identical. The 5.45x39 round has similar terminal ballistics to the NATO 5.56x45 (M-4 round).
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What about the AK74? Getting one for the birthday and it seems to resolve all the criticisms of the AK47.
My only criticism of the AK74 is that Osama bin Laden carried one.
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My only criticism of the AK74 is that Osama bin Laden carried one.
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Actually it was a AK-74SU special model made for Tank Crews, Airborne Infantry, etc...
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Actually it was a AK-74SU special model made for Tank Crews, Airborne Infantry, etc...
Also known as a Krinkov, or "Krink".
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Also known as a Krinkov, or "Krink".
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YEP 100%
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I got to fire an Ak47 on one of my trips to Cambodia. They also had Chinese copies which were cheaper to use but looked very rough in comparison.
Never trust a chink to do anything other than your beef and broccoli and your girlfriend's nails.