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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: mr.muscle on February 24, 2015, 02:38:40 PM
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hi guys, first of all greetings to all and thanks for admitting me in this great forum! I've been reading your post long ago!
I am in my 4th week of my 12 week cycle:
Testoviron 500 / week
500 deca / week
40 dbol / week
I have never had problems with gynecomastia before. I am not prone. I began with a dose of 0.25 of a-dex e3days and last week I noticed a small lump under the nipple. I have no pain, itching, burning etc .. quickly went up my dose of 0.5 mg adex and became a test of estradiol. before giving the results already felt the drop in e2 and today I picked up the test and my estradiol is normal-low (12 )
I am confused because I do not understand how it has formed the bulk without the presence of estrogen ..
I take some quick action or just keep it under control?
I can be developing gynecomastia without excessive presence of estrogen?
thank you very much greetings !!
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Is probly the deca u didn't mention caber or prami or dostinex whatever prolactin inhibitors
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Oh I forgot to mention a buddy of mine almost got a nice pair of tits doing the same cycle he kept lowering the test and upping the ai and had to cut it short it was the deca the whole time which he kept upping
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ill never understand how people can jump on all that shit without having the slightest bit of a clue regarding side effects
if youre that stupid you deserve tits.
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Mmm tits
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ill never understand how people can jump on all that shit without having the slightest bit of a clue regarding side effects
if youre that stupid you deserve tits.
he had a legitimate question, you come across as someone with a superiority complex.
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hi guys, first of all greetings to all and thanks for admitting me in this great forum! I've been reading your post long ago!
I am in my 4th week of my 12 week cycle:
Testoviron 500 / week
500 deca / week
40 dbol / week
I have never had problems with gynecomastia before. I am not prone. I began with a dose of 0.25 of a-dex e3days and last week I noticed a small lump under the nipple. I have no pain, itching, burning etc .. quickly went up my dose of 0.5 mg adex and became a test of estradiol. before giving the results already felt the drop in e2 and today I picked up the test and my estradiol is normal-low (12 )
I am confused because I do not understand how it has formed the bulk without the presence of estrogen ..
I take some quick action or just keep it under control?
I can be developing gynecomastia without excessive presence of estrogen?
thank you very much greetings !!
First, this is far from being a "great forum", it is actually regarded as a sewer by many and getbiggers are confortable with that since the best of us are mere gym rats.
Second, no matter how many arimidez you use, if you don't stop injecting testosterone your tetonas will became bigger and bigger. Arimidex is not magical.
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he had a legitimate question, you come across as someone with a superiority complex.
this is getbig
you shouldnt come here with noob questions that can be answered literally by typing the thread title into google and reading the first 3 links...
pretty damn ignorant to ask the same stupid questions again and again that have been answered a billion times already...
generation spoonfed
i come across as an asshole because i belong to this generation myself but somehow i was able to get all the information on my own...
First, this is far from being a "great forum", it is actually regarded as a sewer by many and getbiggers are confortable with that since the best of us are mere gym rats.
Second, no matter how many arimidez you use, if you don't stop injecting testosterone your tetonas will became bigger and bigger. Arimidex is not magical.
you can tank your estrogen even while on test... hes just on 500mg test, with 1mg adex a day his estrogen would be wrecked
his problem is prolactin
OP: take cabergoline or pramipexole
question answered
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Well, in the first place to thank you all for your responses.
second, and although my question might seem beginner, believe me that I'm not just by having 2 post in the forum. I made earlier cycles with heavier doses and various compounds and have never had problems.
in this case I'm confused because I have low estradiol and just before starting cycle prolactin and progesterone too. I do not have any symptoms of hyperprolactinemia and be surprised much to me in three weeks with 500 mg of deca high prolactin there. apart from that created deca gyno had understood that the presence of some level of estradiol is required.
of course I have dostinex, adex, letrozole, nolva etc ..
just wanted to know the opinion of you in this case before taking a new medication or lowering the dose.
However today I made test prolactin-progesterone ...
any other advice or recommendation be welcome thank you very much
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ill never understand how people can jump on all that shit without having the slightest bit of a clue regarding side effects
if youre that stupid you deserve tits.
uaao .. nice response. all people, gym rats, etc .. professional bodybuilders who have gynecomastia are stupid ?? I made a question with humility and education and, of course, I know very well the side effects that I stand, I just wonder with low estradiol without apparent effects of hyperprolactinemia a lump appears. I was stating the case as I had never happened before and hoped recommendation of more experienced people.
I deserve a bitch tits for being a stupid ....
you deserve all the bad things that happen for being such an arrogant person
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uaao .. nice response. all people, gym rats, etc .. professional bodybuilders who have gynecomastia are stupid ?? I made a question with humility and education and, of course, I know very well the side effects that I stand, I just wonder with low estradiol without apparent effects of hyperprolactinemia a lump appears. I was stating the case as I had never happened before and hoped recommendation of more experienced people.
I deserve a bitch tits for being a stupid ....
you deserve all the bad things that happen for being such an arrogant person
there are basically 2 reasons for gyno
high estrogen and high prolactin
you have low estrogen
you get gyno
well what the hell is gonna be the reason
if its not estrogen then its prolactin... just because you dont squirt gallons of milk out of your nipples that doesnt mean your prolactin is not high
some people have sky high estrogen and no sides
some people have only slightly elevated estro and get all the sides
also why the hell have you not taken dostinex yet if you have a lump and your estrogen is low?
kill that stuff before it grows too big
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there are basically 2 reasons for gyno
high estrogen and high prolactin
you have low estrogen
you get gyno
well what the hell is gonna be the reason
if its not estrogen then its prolactin... just because you dont squirt gallons of milk out of your nipples that doesnt mean your prolactin is not high
some people have sky high estrogen and no sides
some people have only slightly elevated estro and get all the sides
also why the hell have you not taken dostinex yet if you have a lump and your estrogen is low?
kill that stuff before it grows too big
I appreciate your response, this time much more constructive.
the reason I still have not taken dostinex is because it is a strong medicine with ugly side effects and they only wanted to take if strictest necessity.
having no symptoms of erectile dysfunction etc. classic prolactin makes me doubt. .but as you rightly say are not always present.
I had thought until now that was not possible with low estradiol-deca gyno, so maybe I had hoped it was not gyno and some small gland just outside getting some activation ..
maybe have the results tomorrow and know for sure what happens in there.
You advised me to continue the cycle ??'m starting to get good profits and did not want to leave or lower doses ..
if I start with dostinex 0.25 twice a week would be correct?
thank you very much !!
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you seem to be a good guy and have some common sense so i apologize for being rude at first.
i wouldnt be too worried about the sides of cabergoline, the igf lowering effects are pretty minor and the heart valve damaging stuff only comes into play at dosages of 5mg a week or so...
i would use 0.5mg twice a week for 2 weeks or so at first, you should be better by then. 0.25mg twice a week should be enough for maintenance for most guys.
you should run it as long as the cycle lasts imo.
keep your AI dialed in so that your estrogen is in range...
you can also run nolva. the theory that you shouldnt run a SERM with a 19nor is a myth, there are studies on that topic.
if you can get your hands on raloxifene thats a much better option as a SERM though, because nolva again has numerous sides while raloxifene is basically side effect free.
by the way, i dont know if the estrogen that comes from the dbol is shown on blood tests... dbol aromatizes to methyl estradiol, which is much more potent and long lasting than "normal" estrogen. you might still have extremely high estrogen, just not from the testosterone. but i dont know that, just speculating.
i can only speak for myself but 50mg dbol gives me itching nipples on the first day, while i can run 2g test without issues. just food for thought. personally i consider dbol shit.
personally, i would start running ralox (or nolva) + cabergoline + drop the dbol
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you seem to be a good guy and have some common sense so i apologize for being rude at first.
i wouldnt be too worried about the sides of cabergoline, the igf lowering effects are pretty minor and the heart valve damaging stuff only comes into play at dosages of 5mg a week or so...
i would use 0.5mg twice a week for 2 weeks or so at first, you should be better by then. 0.25mg twice a week should be enough for maintenance for most guys.
you should run it as long as the cycle lasts imo.
keep your AI dialed in so that your estrogen is in range...
you can also run nolva. the theory that you shouldnt run a SERM with a 19nor is a myth, there are studies on that topic.
if you can get your hands on raloxifene thats a much better option as a SERM though, because nolva again has numerous sides while raloxifene is basically side effect free.
by the way, i dont know if the estrogen that comes from the dbol is shown on blood tests... dbol aromatizes to methyl estradiol, which is much more potent and long lasting than "normal" estrogen. you might still have extremely high estrogen, just not from the testosterone. but i dont know that, just speculating.
i can only speak for myself but 50mg dbol gives me itching nipples on the first day, while i can run 2g test without issues. just food for thought. personally i consider dbol shit.
personally, i would start running ralox (or nolva) + cabergoline + drop the dbol
very very good advice. solid answer.
you are a person with solid knowledge in the field. much appreciate your time.
I will do so tomorrow shall begin with dostinex and try to get into the pharmacy Raloxifene (I've never used before). I will also leave the dbol.
keep information from the development of things.
thank you very much again. greetings to all
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this is getbig
you shouldnt come here with noob questions that can be answered literally by typing the thread title into google and reading the first 3 links...
pretty damn ignorant to ask the same stupid questions again and again that have been answered a billion times already...
generation spoonfed
i come across as an asshole because i belong to this generation myself but somehow i was able to get all the information on my own...
you can tank your estrogen even while on test... hes just on 500mg test, with 1mg adex a day his estrogen would be wrecked
his problem is prolactin
OP: take cabergoline or pramipexole
question answered
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What is the standard dose for raloxifene Jizmo?
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That was badassed lol 8)
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What is the standard dose for raloxifene Jizmo?
i think in studies they always used 60mg or 120mg
that was always compared to nolva at 20mg, 40mg or 60mg i think
if id use nolva on cycle id use 10-20mg, so for ralox 30mg on cycle should suffice...
it also increases bone density because its partially antagonistic and partially agonistic at estrogen receptors, which is good if you use t3 (since t3 leeches bone calcium). also has beneficial effects on lipids
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i think in studies they always used 60mg or 120mg
that was always compared to nolva at 20mg, 40mg or 60mg i think
if id use nolva on cycle id use 10-20mg, so for ralox 30mg on cycle should suffice...
it also increases bone density because its partially antagonistic and partially agonistic at estrogen receptors, which is good if you use t3 (since t3 leeches bone calcium). also has beneficial effects on lipids
Cheers homo
Looks like this is cheap as fuck and will last me a while :D
Glad I can split them in half. $50 for 180 days worth is awesome
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very very good advice. solid answer.
you are a person with solid knowledge in the field. much appreciate your time.
I will do so tomorrow shall begin with dostinex and try to get into the pharmacy Raloxifene (I've never used before). I will also leave the dbol.
keep information from the development of things.
thank you very much again. greetings to all
Glad to see you and Jizzmouth are the same person. congrats.
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Glad to see you and Jizzmouth are the same person. congrats.
yeah because its extremely useful for me to open up a thread and ask stupid questions
strong investigation falcunt
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Well, today I received the results of my test and finally you were right.
Prolactin: 20.84 ng / ml (2.1 -13 to 7)
estradiol: 35.76 pg / ml (0-52)
I made a total mistake to think that not having any apparent symptom of hyperprolactinemia, or have had before in the past no problem with deca not protect me from the start with dostinex.
I am already taking since last week dostinex 0.5 mg (twice a week) I am also taking raloxifene 60 mg. day and drop a little adex after crashing my e2 last week..
I will try to keep the estradiol in the range 20-25 by adex ...
My question is : keeping estrogen in range, with the adex, and prolactin in range, with dostinex ,continue taking raloxifene?
I continue to take it until the lump disappears completely ? I must lower the dose later?
your help is greatly appreciated! thank you very much, greetings!
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id continue to take the ralox until the lump is gone... it might take a few weeks though...
adex and caber and there so that you can run your cycle, the ralox is there to reduce your lump ;)
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Lump won't go completely
It's tissue lol
Swelling will go down
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how do I get my hands on Raloxifene?
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how do I get my hands on Raloxifene?
I just ordered it straight off alldaychemist
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Lump won't go completely
It's tissue lol
Swelling will go down
on another occasion had had a lump and to end the cycle and spend weeks disappeared ....
I have no swelling, no pain or anything, just a small lump of a week of evolution .... hope i get it completely eliminate this time too ... :-\ :-\
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how do I get my hands on Raloxifene?
Well, in my case send my girlfriend to the pharmacy and brought me 3 boxes ... EVISTA 60 mg (28 comp) .. I can also tell you that it has turned quite expensive .. I've never used before but I can say for now I tolerate it much better than tamoxifen ... greetings
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its quite cheap on alldaychemist but its a generic brand from India.
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on another occasion had had a lump and to end the cycle and spend weeks disappeared ....
I have no swelling, no pain or anything, just a small lump of a week of evolution .... hope i get it completely eliminate this time too ... :-\ :-\
Then it wasn't breast tissue
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hi guys
eager to learn and know more i wanted to know an opinion of you:
using compounds derived from nandrolone (deca, tren etc ..) It is possible that by their progestogenic activity drop DHT levels and increase their levels of SHBG...
these two factors we know that can create a favorable environment for gyno, you see interesting to add to their cycles of deca-tren some compound derived from DHT (winstrol, Proviron, Masteron, etc ..) to maintain DHT and reduce the SHGB? so would avoid some of the side effects of nandrolones derivates?
regards
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hi guys
eager to learn and know more i wanted to know an opinion of you:
using compounds derived from nandrolone (deca, tren etc ..) It is possible that by their progestogenic activity drop DHT levels and increase their levels of SHBG...
these two factors we know that can create a favorable environment for gyno, you see interesting to add to their cycles of deca-tren some compound derived from DHT (winstrol, Proviron, Masteron, etc ..) to maintain DHT and reduce the SHGB? so would avoid some of the side effects of nandrolones derivates?
regards
id be surprised if any steroid increased SHBG levels
more steroids might increase SHBG, but there will be more steroids for SHBG to bind to. and the amount of steroids will most likely be higher than the amount of SHBG increase.
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your answer is quite logical. thx
moreover, still I have lumps under both nipples. did not grow but neither are down(I know it's still early, but do not want to waste time)
dostinex seems to be doing its job, I'm horny as hell, good erections and great sex. possibly next week down to 0.25mg twice a week ..
take my e2 in rank with my arimidex .... also took two weeks at 60 mg dose...increase the dose or wait one more week?? ....
would think to stop the cycle? I am having good profits and still hope for the best ... :-[
thank you very much
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from what I have read hard lumps are estrogen gyno whereas prolactin gyno is growing a set of milkers...
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from what I have read hard lumps are estrogen gyno whereas prolactin gyno is growing a set of milkers...
lol
yeah but to "grow a set of milkers" youll have breast tissue underneath aswell, i mean somethings gotta produce that milk, right :D
@ OP
youll not kill your gyno in a week, lol
if youre still on cycle your gyno may not go down at all but only stay the same size
to try to completely get rid of it you gotta drop aromatizing compounds and 19nors imo
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Prolactin gyno stops when you stop 19nors get your E in check and bring prolactin down with caber.
hard lump gyno you need to get cut out really.- can try letro therapy and nolva i guess
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It is a great shit ... I've always been successful control gynecomastia. I am sure it is the deca, no test. 500 deca pharmaceutical grade is strong shit ..
Sunday inject again and today I have the worst lumps and some pain for the first time... if increased a-dex crash my e2 (now it is low), dostinex working, my prolactin is down for sure. Ralox should be doing work too ... but gyno worse .I'm fucked!! :(.. I'll stop the cycle friends ...will not continue to cruise. I will do a post cycle and try to reduce gyno.
any recommendation is welcome. thank you very much for your help ...
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stop steroids
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It is a great shit ... I've always been successful control gynecomastia. I am sure it is the deca, no test. 500 deca pharmaceutical grade is strong shit ..
Sunday inject again and today I have the worst lumps and some pain for the first time... if increased a-dex crash my e2 (now it is low), dostinex working, my prolactin is down for sure. Ralox should be doing work too ... but gyno worse .I'm fucked!! :(.. I'll stop the cycle friends ...will not continue to cruise. I will do a post cycle and try to reduce gyno.
any recommendation is welcome. thank you very much for your help ...
First post on: February 24, 2015, 03:38:40 PM »
Then "Sunday inject again and today I have the worst lumps and some pain for the first time..." today
lmao
Kill yourself
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haha